| IVOD_ID |
16432 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16432 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T08:31:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T12:23:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:51:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd4f168390ff16a0106ddb8aeea0ab2b9a22ed645e3f9bcfe609d031dbd65f70ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算。
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸研究所單位預算。
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算。
四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─鐵道發展基金分預算。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:33 - 12:23:00 |
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我們初期委員與主法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第17次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年12月23日星期一上午9時1分至下午5時生日7分12月25日星期三上午9時至中午12時4時3分12月26日星期四上午9時至 |
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中午12時7分,地點本院紅樓201會議室,朱祁偉、林俊憲等15人,列席委員鄭振淺等15人,列席官員12月23日交通部部長陳士凱等12月25日,交通部政務次長陳彥博等12月26日交通部政務次長吳聖元等。 |
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主席陳昭及委員數月,12月23日報告四項宣讀三次會議議事錄,決定議事錄確定。討論四項一至五,繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部等單位預算及所屬單位預算。決議第一案至第五案均審查完畢,內容如審查結果。審查結果 |
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交通部單位預算一、稅務部分第二款第144項照列,第三款第117項改列為288億7807萬元,第四款第157項照列,第五款第7項除第一幕79億5204萬6千元佔照列,其餘均照列。 |
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第七款其他收入。第155項照列稅出部分第14款交通部主管第一項改列為527億8402萬5千元本項通過決議48項交通部公路局及所屬單位預算一稅入部分第二款第149項照列第三款第121項改列為49億4366萬6千元第4款第162項及第7款第160項均照列 |
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厲二、稅數部分第14款第2項改列為683億零一千六零一百六十五萬四千元本項提案兩案保留送運會處理本項通過決議52項數據發展部直通安全署單位預算一稅數部分第二款第208項及第4款第218項 |
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第7款、第217項照列第20款、第2項改列為7億6千零26萬元本項通過決議15項。 |
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數位發展部數位產業屬單位預算一稅入部分均照列二稅出部分第20款第三項改列為42億8247萬4千元本項通過決議二三項附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分一交通部主管交通作業基金國道公路建設管理基金分預算因一審查結果隨同調整二 |
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業務收支一、業務總收入照列二。二、業務總支出改列為189億9516萬2000元。三、本期剩餘改列為169億3643萬6000元。三、集市均無劣數。五、固定資產建設改良擴充改列為336億3907萬9000元。六、集期均照列。八、 |
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通過局議二十二項,十二月二十五日討論四項一至六繼續審查114年度關於交通部中央氣象署等單位預算及附屬單位預算,其繼續審查113年度關於國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結疏遠報告案及兩案。 |
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決議第一案至第六案均審查完畢,內容如審查結果。第七案同意動資提報運會。審查結果,交通部中央氣象署單位預算一稅入部分,第二款第146項照列,第三款第119項改列為27989000元,第四款 |
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第159項及第7款第157項均照列而稅數部分第14款第3項改列為26億1269萬6千元本項通過決議35項交通部行港局單位預算依稅數部分 |
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第二款第151項,第三款第123項及第四款第164項均照列,第五款第九項暫照列,第一幕非營業特種基金剩餘繳庫10億6784萬5千元 |
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站照列第7款第162項無列數二稅數部分第14款第8項改列為40億6098萬元本項通過決議21項行政院公共工程委員會單位預算一稅入部分均照列二稅數部分第二款第18項改列為5億4013萬8千元本項通過決議26項國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算一稅入部分 |
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軍保留二、稅庫部分第二款第14項保留本項提案62案保留,送運會處理副屬單位預算營業及費營業部分一、通訊傳播監督管理基金預算一、業務計劃保留二、基因來源用途及輿處軍保留三、提案77案保留送運會處理二、有線廣播電視事業發展基金預算一、 |
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業務計劃保留二、基金來源用途及餘儲均保留三、提案二、四案保留送運委處理十二月二十六日討論事項一至四﹐繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於交通部主管航港建設基金等預算。決議第一案至第四案均審查完並內容如審查結果。 |
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審查結果一、交通部主管港港建設基金一一、審查結果隨同調整二、基金來源用途及餘處一、基金來源改列為96億3300億38000元二、基金用途改列為107億8828萬9000元三、本期短處改列為11億5515萬1000元三及四均照列五、通過決議二十項二、交通部主管台灣港務股份有限公司和台灣港務 |
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港勤股份有限公司、高雄港區土地開發股份有限公司一、因應審查結果、隨同調整二、營業收支一、營業總收入改列為255億3911萬1000元二、 |
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營業總支出不含所得稅費用改列為161億4404萬元3歲前淨利改列為93億9507萬1000元3、隨同審查結果調整4、五列數5、重大資建設事業改列為108億1669萬3000元6 |
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因依審查結果隨同調整7均兆列8通過決議23項三、交通部主管國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司因依審查結果隨同調整二、營業收支一營業總收入改列為362億3564萬6千元二、營業總支出不含所得稅費用改列為448億4234萬6千元三、稅前競選改列為86億0670萬元三、 |
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隨同審查結果調整四無列數五照列六因依審查結果隨同調整七均照列八通過決議三三項四台鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金分預算一因依審查結果隨同調整二頁五收支均照列三至六均無列數七通過決議三項。散會宣讀完畢。 |
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好謝謝因為今天要宣讀上週三天的一個會議的議事錄請問各位委員對於剛剛宣讀的議事錄有沒有意見沒有好沒有意見我們議事錄確定現在我們先介紹現場的委員我們從後方介紹來李坤澤委員好謝謝徐富奎委員蔡其昌委員陳樹葉召委林俊憲委員 |
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陳雪生委員秋若華委員黃建豪委員謝謝各位委員那我們也介紹在場的列席人員因為今天審預算是一個單位一個單位來所以我們先介紹我們運安會運安會主任委員林信德主委好謝謝林主委葉明山副主委好陳天賜委員 |
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那個運安會給自己的掌聲一下好不好好不好站起來好像罰站的樣子怪怪的齁張文桓委員李延能委員李延年委員齁抱歉姚承安組密姚組密林佩達執行長以及我們航空調查組劉東銘組長 |
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水路調查組蘇水兆組長、鐵道調查組吳吉春組長、公路調查組曾仁松組長、運輸安全組鄭永安組長、運輸工程組莊禮章組長、以及人事室廖娟蕙主任 |
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鄭豐是康熙平主任主計是孫淑信主任秘書是楊一文主任以及我們行政院主計總處公共預算處王淺凱專委以及我們基金預算處李政道科長 |
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我們現在就進行討論事項114年度運安會、交通部運援所、鐵道局及所屬還有鐵道發展基金的預算處理 |
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好,現在我們進行協商同時請議事人員宣讀預算書及委員提案今天協商的順序是一、運安會二、交通部運燃所三、鐵道局及所屬四、鐵道發展基金我們現在進行協商 |
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中央民國114年度中央政府總預算案國家運輸安全調查委員會稅路來源別預算書第二款發款及賠償收入第二項國家運輸安全調查委員會好請各位翻開國家運輸安全調查委員會114年年度單位預算建議併案及預算表首先我們按照這個順序來審議第一案 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委員會第11屆第2會期交通部運輸安全調查委 |
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謝謝主席本席針對國家運輸安全調查委員會在114年度預算案在運輸事故調查、運輸系統安全分析與工程鑑定及經濟運輸事故調查能量分別編列了1505萬還有323萬及3628萬4千元主要是要辦理運輸事故的調查 |
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事實發布調查報告等的所需經費本席是針對經濟運輸事故調查能量是非常的關心跟重視因為我們看到國家運輸安全調查委員會在 |
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2019年8月成立到今年的7月為止我們看到各類事故的這個調查案件總計有304件那其中198件曾經展期那展期的比例高達65.13%那其中是以水路事故的案件數及展期件數最多所以我們在這邊要關心的就是說 |
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這個展期的原因是什麼是因為人力的不足還是技術的問題那跟我們這個新的一年就114年針對這個經濟運輸事故調查能量你們要有如何的一個作為所以就是本期針對這一項預算就是提凍結案預算10%然後建起運安會說明各類型展期的原因分析同時就是針對說我們提出了這個 |
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事故調查報告之後的運輸安全改善的建議事項相關機關要提出具體的分析分項執行計畫我們也看到有關解除列管的還有列管的件數列管數還有132件也達 |
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bicyclop.com﹚ |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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第一案當然是運安會的114年度的預算。 |
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運輸事故調查運輸系統安全分析與工程鑑定另外是經濟運輸事故的調查能量當然我們運安會成立的宗旨就是針對重大的運輸事故他的調查處理以及噪音的鑑定跟分析而且提出調查報告以及運輸的安全改善建議那 |
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我記得林信德主委以前擔任過臺北航空站的主任對不對也擔任過民航局的副局長我請教一下因為我們看到韓國濟州航空在霧安機場發生重大的空難這個大家都同感悲痛 |
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當然對於相關的事故原因我們都要尊重韓國方面的他們的調查我們也不便多做相關的評論以避免干擾人家的這個調查韓國方面的調查不過有幾個面向我倒是針對今天的預算可以來請教主委就是說 |
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韓國的烏安機場它的跑道是2800公尺是比較短的跑道那像仁川機場是3750公尺那我們的松山機場更短烏安機場是2800公尺我記得松山機場是2600公尺對不對來主委我們的跑道更短 |
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那其實我記得在2004年復興航空曾經在降落的時候差點衝出跑道只差15公尺左右就會衝出跑道會造成重大的空難只差15公尺 |
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所以在2005年的時候我們當時的非安會有提出具體的改善建議就是要裝設EMAS就是工程攔阻系統稱為攔阻床 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查 |
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那這個相關的松山機場這個安全2600公尺以及相關的這個EMAS的系統好像EMAS系統好像每兩年就要檢測一次嘛來你簡單說明一下 |
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報告委員,那個復興航空在93年沒有錯,當時是有衝刺跑道撞到水溝裡面去。那後來民航局就,就是台北航空有編了預算。編預算它在,我印象中它是在98年的時候,那個EMAS就完工了。那EMAS的功能就如同剛剛委員講的,它在那個波音727那個飛機, |
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一般對都會機場裡面,都會機場裡面對那種跑道安全區不足的部分 |
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他們都是,全世界各地都是用IMAS在做補足啦,所以說那幾場後來有裝好之後,他們就比較放心,所以他開放的機型就比較好像有容許值,以前是就是比較大型的飛機他不敢開放。 |
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現在就是我們的松山機場是只有2600公尺其實看我們高雄機場還有3100那台南機場也有3600桃園機場也有3600 |
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那這個部分我們針對嵩山機場相關的安全那 運安會有提出什麼更具體的改善措施嗎? |
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我們可以建議民航局根據機車航空這個案子可以做案例研究因為我們會有檔案MTSB美國那邊我們會跟他一起合作看看能不能繼續把國內其他類似這種有可能發生的弄機場做相關研究 |
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你也擔任過民航局的副局長我記得華航737800型大概有10架左右這一次也有起落架易壓降落的這個失效的這種狀況我們面對這種狀況我記得華航好像每24個月他們要測試一次就是如果易壓降落失效的話他們會用重力來 |
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來釋放這個起落價是不是有這種測試?詳細的情形我不知道但是這一次的這個機制航空它那個自動的那個起落價的部分它是失效的事實上在駕駛艙的地板它有一個鎖洞的 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、 |
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報告委員,像剛才委員所提到有關於這個EMAS的這個部分那其實這是美國的民航局就是FA聯邦航空總署這邊針對這個都會型機場他要去改善這個都會型機場裡面有關於這個機場的跑道的一個安全區裡面的不足所以他去設立了這個替代的方案這個替代方案呢 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
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美國聯邦航空總署才剛提出來這樣的一個建議所以我們在那時候就希望說因為發生了G236這個案子因為運安會是在做運輸事故調查預防類似事故在發生所以在預防的功能上面我們就會針對這些比較危險的一個部分提出建議包括機場的圍牆當時也是我們當時也建議了民航局這邊把它改成易碎材質的圍牆 |
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此次的霧安機場也是因為撞到這個鋼筋混凝土的這個圍牆才會產生這麼大的一個傷害。另外剛剛委員有提到說有關於起落價這個部分那其實我們會去建議說這個在航空公司的這個日常的維護裡面 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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那個所長齁,你幫我追一件事情,南開機場那個,南開機場跑道很短嘛齁,因為又有車封嘛,那個我本來裝那個一馬四有沒有,民產局也答應我了,我這是誰預算啊,因為腦袋現在不靈光齁,忘了,忘了問這一段,你幫我追一下好不好,你不要回答我這一段,你幫我追一下好不好,你跟那個何局長,你追一下,你說陳學生委員在問這個事情好不好,其他沒事啦,謝謝 |
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好 謝謝陳委員事實上確實大家因為昨天在韓國發生了空難大家也蠻擔心的因為我們的期待都一樣因為運安會一出面我們不需要你出面出面都是大概發生了什麼不太好的事情但是很多經驗的累積變成事前的預防我相信是幾位委員大家都很希望期待那這樣好不好我們還是回到我們預算的科目 |
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那針對於第一案稅出的通案運輸事故調查運輸系統安全分析與工程鑑定以及精進運輸事故調查的能量 |
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這個部分我們預算凍結10%,請院會提供書面報告,使得動之。各位有沒有不同意見?好,那第一案就這樣處理。接下來第二案。第二案是稅徒通案業務費教育訓練費用。提案委員林國成委員。 |
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好謝謝主席因為經過溝通就不算了那建議建議還是要凍結還是要凍結百分之十交書面報告 |
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好那這個就不用說明了那希望你們教育訓練各方面做好一點那這個部分就針對於稅出的第二案稅出通覽業務費教育訓練費這個的部分凍結10%請運安會提供書面報告來說明一下教育訓練的哪些科目跟預計的成果使得動之好是我會抓到辦理好 |
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這樣處理各位有沒有其他意見?沒有我們接下來處理第三到七案稅出通案派員出國計畫那這個的部分由幾位委員好林國成委員好我本期提的是第六案那我原本是想說三一點預算因為這個出國 |
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但是因為考量他這個技術人員要參加一些國外的這些國際的這些等等的交流跟經驗的取得所以我還是建議就改為凍結10%然後交出沒辦法好謝謝林委員那針對這個我提的是第三案一樣是國外的旅費的部分 |
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我目前提的是剪裂10%、凍結10%。主要的原因當然跟去年比113跟114年比只增加了48萬但是我們從111年4年相比的話你們這個國外出國的旅費增加了將近四成38.67算是還不少 |
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不過我們在看確實剛剛跟林國成委員說的一樣因為有一些必須要去做交流的這個部分我們是沒有意見而且會鼓勵可是我們看到從111年開始可能也沒有人仔細去看你們細部的部分你們在預算上列的地點 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查十五、繼續審查九、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查九、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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這個我報告一下,因為112年、112年因為新冠疫情的關係,很多訓練、開會什麼的他有在變,所以這個沒辦法,但是近幾年就一直比較符合時情,這確實是有困難,這越來越好,所以請委員同意我們還是別勉強。 |
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好,謝謝說明。那還有委員發表意見嗎?呃,林俊俊委員不在。那這樣好不好,這個部分我們就減劣10%,那不予凍結,因為這個也沒什麼好說明的。好不好,減劣10%嘛,10%不多啦。是不是,不好意思啊,是不是就凍結10%啦,不要減劣啊,我們提出面報告啦。凍結10%提出面報告。 |
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禮貢總委員檢列200萬,檢列20% |
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我原來是檢列啦那他們說明以後那我們也認為這個國際的交流國際的考察是有必要所以我也就沒有要刪的意思啦那當然因為主席這些要檢列的部分因為900多萬也沒有多少錢啊因為檢列90幾萬而已啊所以這敢不可以不好意思因為我們這個 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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我們是在唯一政府組織出國外開會中由臺灣的名字。我們在國際能電部越來越高。讓我們每一年都固定向國際運輸安全首長聯會向運輸事務的調查的論壇等等。都是我們曝光的機會。所以對我們來講對國家來講真的很重要。 |
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好,那這樣好不好?那這樣剛剛那個幾位委員大概有給我眼神,我知道齁。那個,那我們就凍結10%。不過你要講清楚,我現在今天講的事情,如果我們現在,你現在包括你的細則列這麼多國家這麼多預算,如果到了今年年底我們再去檢討,又一大堆變更,這個部分抱歉了,明年這樣就不行了,好不好?好,那針對於 |
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第三到七案,如果各位委員沒有其他的意見,稅都通案派員出國計劃的部分,我們凍結10%,提供書面報告,使得動之。謝謝,謝謝。好,沒有意見的話,我們接續處理八到十一案。八到十一案,林國正委員。其實還是來主委自己講啦,小三啦,其他就不要凍結啦,好不好。 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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啊 主委 你不能這樣給半瓶喔 我們已經經過你們解釋 我們也認同 對不對 我本來要三個喔 我本來 你看我的資料 我本來要三個喔兩百好不好 一億多兩百欸一億八千多萬喔 一億八千多喔 |
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你們自行去調整科目來李分審委員謝謝我們這個8到11案都是一般的行政當然這些都是基本行政工作的維持業務會、水電會基本行政工作的維持、設備及投資請主委說明一下能接受的範圍是多少來 |
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因為像人事會一般是不能審那像我們很多會議室的那個的廣播室那個麥克風室的那個也要徵然後我們我們很多的精密的儀器進來因為它不是不像密閉它是比較大型的它要用除濕機要什麼一直要要一直在run它像這種這種電話是也不能審但是 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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對啊對啊主委我講一下啦齁你們這樣審預算齁讓其實你看齁每一黨的委員齁都很理性啦所以大家才會問你說齁你覺得什麼合理的範圍內你哪一個科目是可刪哪一個科目是可動起來或是都不可以動的啊大家都在等啊你這樣回答齁 |
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4283.555 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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阿可以的,你們覺得這個實在是委員講的有道理你做不到,或者是你編了稍微這個多了一點,讓委員有一個監督的這種方向跟力量,這個都很合理。阿這樣才有辦法做啦,不然這個我聽你講話也不知道到底是要抬多多還是要跟你動這個。報告委員,那個我們主席這邊剛剛有說一下可以塞100萬啦,我們自己來調整啦。我要坦白講啦齁。 |
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我們副院長都這樣講你們再這樣審下去我要恢復原來我的堅持一億多、三兩百萬這是對你們尊重的你可以看前幾個在審預算你們去看一看三了以後還要再你們這裡面有買電腦買什麼我們售錢你自行調整了兩百萬欸一億多欸 |
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哎呀,你若要這樣,我先告訴你我來決定一下啦我連講都沒有講,就是說不想耽誤大家的時間啦,好不好那針對於這個,所以我們就刪除3.2百萬啦,好不好3.2百萬啦,也不用凍結啦,也不用說明啦來,針對於8到11案,說出第一幕一般行政的部分啦 |
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我們這個處理方式3減200萬元 |
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第12案到第26案有委員要補充說明嗎?來林俊憲委員感謝主席各位同仁本期第17案是明年度我們運安會的運輸事故調查的經費編列1505萬比今年增加了16.5% |
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當然主要是辦理飛航、水路、鐵、公路、鐵道事故的各項調查業務。我們運輸安排從成立以來我發現到今年11月底列管的案件有112件。運輸安排它成立幾年?五年嘛。成立五年。列管的案件有112件。 |
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一面航空有5件水路有54件鐵道有37件公路16件有的列管案件有一到兩年一到兩年有28件列管兩年以上到三年有19件列管三年以上有17件為什麼會有這麼多列管案件等於就是說你是沒有辦法解決還是調查不出來 |
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現在這個部分我希望議員會能夠來督促,主委這邊你看這些列管案件到底什麼原因,應該提一個說明報告,本期建議凍結四分之一,說明報告後再動輒,好謝謝。 |
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林委員、黃建豪委員、張海誠、李昆德委員 |
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閱讀議論 |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
二、繼續審查 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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李昆哲委員非安事故調查業務預算編列420萬我看我們運安會的網站統計有關非安事故的運輸安全改善建議 |
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目前還有五件是在列管中還沒有結案這個請主委等一下說明那另外有518案他是非本國政府機關那是要由其他的相關主管機關去督導這個也說明一下 |
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第二個23案就是水路事故的調查業務預算也是240萬不多但是運安會的網站去統計我們有關水路事故的運輸安全改善建議目前有13件在等待回復或者是處理當中有55件列管中還沒有結案 |
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有88件非本國政府機關是由他們相關的主管機關督導那這個部分我要請教主委我們等會兒回覆或者是處理以及上會結案的部分應該要跟相關機關加強溝通 |
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另外有關非本國政府機關尤其相關主管機關督導這些案件也應該要建立追蹤的機制來確保改善的意見能夠有效的落實。等一下請主委說明一下。 |
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謝謝主席我提出第15案那有鑑於運安會這個調查案都超過這個立案的預定期程展期的情況非常嚴重那尤其從108年8月到今年的7月份各類的調查事故304件裡面 |
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議員議員議員 |
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好,請林國成委員本期提議第19案、21案、24案那基本上我本來是專案報告現在都改為書面報告然後我建議這三案都凍結百分之十好,我個人有提案啦但是剛剛委員大概問題都同樣說過了那應該會做個說明 |
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好,主席各位,那個列管的案子齁,譬如說水路方面,水路方面列管,那航港局他們為了飲水人的制度的管理,進出口管理,整個他們整個系統面他們成立一個專案,這個需要時間,我們也去參加他們這個研討會相關,我們也告訴他怎麼方向怎麼做,齁,那 |
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例如說航空方面,你像高雄機場的那個跑道的這個整平區,它也要需要多預算啊。那台中機場又涉及國防部的,它也列管的時間會比較長。這個也不在我們控管之內。 |
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而且列管要解除列管也必須要報行政,行政認為它是可行之後才會解除列管。至於展取例,我們110年之前運安會是從118年改制過來。改制的初期我們是沒有籌備起,直接就從非安會是在轉到運安會的人力。 |
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一方面要競爭力,一方面要訓練,法律規章也要定,所以那個時候案件很多,尤其是水路的案特別多。為什麼呢?當時漁船的事件非常多,一直到110年之後,邱改規有說300噸 |
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bicyclery |
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第三報告 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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4905.049 |
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五百零五萬那比去年的一二九一增加兩百一四萬那你是錢不夠嗎還是因為這種調查是有點機會這個事件可能調查但因為你看到你今年的預算到目前為止只用到六十六趴大概三分之二那就剩 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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4944.042 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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4966.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
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十二到二十六案第二幕運輸事故調查凍結百分之二十也請提出書面報告到底這個經費啊你們怎麼樣預估的然後大概需求如何為什麼要增加百分之十六的預算請一併說明之後使得動之是謝謝好 各位 曾政主席啊好 那各位沒有意見來我們繼續 |
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4995.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
5016.611 |
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處理第二十軀到二十九案第二十軀到二十九案講課、終點、稿費、初期審查及查詢費、凍結二十趴、提案人許富奎等。好,之後,油化委員、何精準委員,您來現場。專業服務費、委託調查研究費、凍結二十趴、提案人許富奎等。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
5035.225 |
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其實我在提這個案子是說28案是我提的運輸系統安全分析工程鑑定這個的部分最主要我們現在事實上是新能源自駕以及不同型態的載具越來越多了但是對於我國的道路的設計號誌的系統相關的法規 |
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5037.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
5065.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
adequ.他的因應的方式如何?就運安會的角度其實很多的面向都會影響到運輸安全尤其現在幾個比較大的廠商都宣稱他有幾乎是快要全功能的那個自駕那這個部分我覺得應該希望運安會能夠積極的一個應對去處理那這個部分是我提這個案子的最主要的一個意見那我這邊提是動力的10% |
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提出面報告。 |
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5097.825 |
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接下來來處理第30到第37案第4幕經濟運輸事故調查能量其實之前通案有講不過我們還是各位委員提案委員可以講 |
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5098.746 |
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好,林國臣委員。好,接下來許志堅委員。好,接下來許志堅委員。好,接下來許志堅委員。好,接下來許志堅委員。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
5142.538 |
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18、業務費用捐贖好、許智傑委員好、謝謝吼。這是32案吼。好、那前面我一起講吼。前面16案的問題吼。也一起跟院長再反映一下吼。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
5165.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
5176.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
經過調查之後你們的具體建議然後包括我們做得出來的一些具體建議的事項以及他確實改善的事項這個部分我都沒有看到結果 |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
是不是就是說這個部分我們也希望說你們調查出來然後展期的有沒有盡速完成啊然後調查出來的結果相關的單位有沒有確實改善啊這個部分是不是請議員會也說明一下我們測試的時間我們會後可以補稍等一下好不好好這內地事務還沒有委員要補充說明的 |
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5202.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
5203.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
現在是不是都改善了? |
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| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
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那比如說那個泰魯閣那個就是那個坍塌嘛坍塌你攝影用AI去處理那你可以避免以後再發生那這個部分是不是有改善了是不是應該會對這些部分也應該都去做追蹤才會有具體改善以後防範未然我是不是請執行長簡討說一下 |
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報告委員有關於普悠瑪的事故目前我們還在列管的部分只剩下四項這四項裡面就牽涉到法規的訂定有牽涉到新購大設備的一個部分這個部分我們還在持續每半年我們就會進行追蹤跟列管這個是跟行政院這邊協助行政院去做 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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bicyclist 知會監控有沒有說預計什麼時候會完成? |
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在每半年的這個剛剛所報告的每半年的那個追蹤列管只要台鐵局報上來我們覺得說這個部分是可以去解除列管那我們就會進行解除列管的一個動作那但是這個期程的部分還是要請那個台鐵局這邊去做持續的一個辦理 |
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接下來請林建憲委員謝謝主席本期是有提議第31案我想請教一下運安會剛剛我們多位委員在提問的時候都有發現不管你是展期或者列管水路案件都最多 |
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我記得我以前有跟你提過嘛,我有諮詢過,現在水路案件在我們的立案調查比例大概多少?超過幾成嗎? |
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過去水路事故可能佔了所有調查案的可能75%到80%但是目前大概已經降到30%到40%之間像我們現在公路組目前是有10件公路組現在有多少? |
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目前水路組今年有13件所以也就是說我們現在其實跟其他組已經比較接近但是鐵道組目前只有2件你去年水路佔77%你今年就降到40%還是40%我講的是立案件數立案的話去年大概是30件今年是13件大概降了二分之一降了一半水路嘛 |
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最主要是因為300噸以下沒有乘客的漁船我們是排除在我們調查的對象那時候叫你要把那個標準改一下那時候依這個委員的指示公路標準有沒有改公路標準也改了現在要多少人裁立案以前是要死亡三人死傷五人 |
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這邊可以委員報告以前是死亡4人現在降為3人那另外有 去年就死亡3人沒有沒有3人 超過3人是4人那另外 把一個玉拿掉對 把玉拿掉 那另外就是那個什麼校車啦大公車 自用大公車我們都會列入 現在公路占多少公路的比例喔在你立案件數啦 |
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我講請主委你要注意啦以前公路只在我們運安會整體立案件數去年是6%啦2023年是6%啦我們成立運安會主要台灣現在死傷人數最多的就是在公路啦一年死傷人數五十幾萬啦在公路上撞死一年都死三千人啦 |
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對不對那運輸安全的目的應該就是保障國能安全你的調查能量應該在公路結果你公路只佔你全部建樹的百分之六去年百分之六我都叫你要調整啦你水路佔七十幾趴因為你水路太寬鬆啦兩艘漁船稍微碰撞你也要立案所以你把人力都浪費在那裡你現在有改掉那個標準了嗎 |
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adequ?不然你那個水路你的調查結果都什麼請他要穿什麼救生衣旁邊要有個救生圈你都寫那些廢話那我都浪費那你現在要把它調整過來所以主委這個部分你應該把運安會的調查能量 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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而且都是每次都是那種什麼自撞什麼的撞到的這個你們調查的結果出來沒有出來啦已經出已經公佈那以後會不會再發生應該會比較少啦不能說我們來看一下好不好是是是抱歉啦主席謝謝 |
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好,謝謝林委員。好,那針對於第四幕的部分,欸,我問一下,你們現在那個一年多前說太空事故啊,行政院說將會你們處理,還是空的嗎?太空還是空的?有嗎?有這個組嗎?太空事故有專家有進來嗎? |
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報告主席我們現在有一些資訊的專家那我們都跟他們聯絡現在還是在跟行政院持續的審查當中有一些實際上有營運經驗的一些專家 |
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好那我們針對第30案到37案進行處理這是第4幕經濟運輸事故調查能量的部分這部分第35案測案其一個案併入第一案因為是通案已經討論過了併入第一案這個一併凍結10%提供書面報告使得凍結各位有沒有不同意見沒有好 |
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好接下來處理決議案請各位翻開第38案 |
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好,三十八案有沒有問題?三十八案那個院會意見。這個我們有辦會溝通,那有後的委員的同意就是提出施政報告及說明之後得改善未來的事情。我們有一句有...這個跟蔡委員都報告過了?蔡委員都報告過,是。好,那蔡第三位的案子。好,那我們就修正文字後通過。第39案。 |
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有阿有阿有阿是是是是是因為是是是 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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第四十二案照案通過第四十三案遵照辦理第四十三案照案通過第四十四案遵照辦理四十四案照案通過第四十五案遵照辦理四十五案照案通過第四十六案遵照辦理四十六案照案通過第四十七案四十七案我們有提供縮帖那希望檢疫能夠改成文字修訂為書面報告這樣本來是想專案報告改成書面報告 |
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有,有,有溝通嗎?說什麼,他說什麼? |
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來來大聲一點說明大聲一點報告報告召委那個報告委員就是那個資料我們有跟也給有委員那邊啦但是還沒有獲得就是是不是同意的那就再開一次好不好那就再開一次你們都你們都 |
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給你們一個良心建議啦拜託你們這個單位大家都非常尊重你們你們都不用工主決議你們就看一看他要這個專案那你們希望書面那你要跟提案委員溝通這是尊敬委員提案權 |
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阿你們都不說阿現在這樣說阿他看他他看他阿很簡單的事情可以處理阿你們也不去溝通阿這個留下這個案件幹嘛我們有有我們有聯繫執行長有去阿去他有沒有同意啦 |
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你們現在誰手上有文化委員的電話? |
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欸你們這個每位交通委員也人也不多,你們沒有人可以去跟他問一下是不是?執行長你會不會說明一下啊? |
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好,那這樣好不好,因為後面還有很多單位在等,那我們再次宣告47案就照案通過。好,以上為運安會的預算處理,到這邊。那我們接下來要換場運演所。好,謝謝,我們休息五分鐘,謝謝。 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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好,我們繼續開會。請官委員翻開我們的總表。交通部運輸研究所單位預算這個併案的一個總表。好的,我先介紹一下現在列席的官員。首先是交通部武聖元次長。歡迎啊,次長。 |
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以及我們陸鎮大安司黃英貴司長黃司長齁運輸監理司胡迪奇副司長副司長司長請假是吧還是不想理我們好好你有藥工齁好會計處張信英處長好張處長 |
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以及我們運營所林記國所長林所長 |
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運營所下面的主計是曾麒麟主任曾主任還有我們鐵道局鐵道局現在還沒有先休息一下休息一下好那我們現在審查運營所相關的預算那我們瞄了幾眼運營所骨頭比較多那個肉的部分比較少一點速度可能稍微快一點好我們審查第一案第一案就是 |
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稅出的通案、業務費、水電費我這邊是我個人一個提案最主要是第一案我們看到比去年增加了17%在水電費的部分其實因為我這次審查預算在交通部所有的預算我都有提出來了你們不代表說你們增加了一定超高的所以我們在這裡是有建議做一個刪減 |
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再來做一個節能審探政府率先做示範的那種概念而已那我提案嗎?首長沒意見嗎?可以啊?會不會太少?我可以說明一下那個運營所事實上我們一直都在推動各項的節能措施事實上包括運營所都獲得經濟部年度的這個節電優良單位的評鑑所以代表我們事實上是確實這個有在注意這個節能的跟節電的這個部分 |
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bicyclope,一、繼續審查 |
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那確實這個水電費真的是非常的近所以這個部分是不是可以漸淺就是凍結那我們來提這個書面報告報告委員水電費要怪台灣電力公司我看算了饒了一命吧你說凍結幹什麼 |
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動姐也沒意思,90萬還好啦不要那麼好不好跟召委報告一下,跟你求個情,水電費算了好不好第一案不予刪除就這樣自己把它 |
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第二案稅租通案業務費資訊服務費 |
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知訊服務費的部分知訊服務費我們看到了這個113年度今年是2674萬那明年你編的預算呢增加了25%變成3344萬那我覺得這個政府 |
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稍微有也不能說大就是你們要說明具體說明理由到底增加是怎麼樣那我們問了一下我們發覺說這個應該是有一些調整的空間這個節約大家為這個節省預算那我這邊提的是3.2百萬凍結10%請你做詳盡的說明因為增加600多萬我只3、2百萬這樣可以接受跟召委報告一下 |
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我們增加的原因就是因為從明年開始那個有一些這個原來是這樣公路容量的這些分析軟體跟這個網站還有一些模擬模式的開發原本不是編載運輸所的預算是公路局的預算 |
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但是因為部裡面基於行政簡便所以要求從明年開始回編就改編到運輸所所以因為這樣子所以整個資訊系統軟體網站它的資訊服務的工作包括治安、維護、防禦等等就會因此而增加所以這個也是確實有它 |
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第二案,針對於業務費、資訊服務費。 |
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一百五的?差不多啦?算啦,這兩百萬以內的,我們又不是鄉民代表會。我跟你請示一下。 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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李文哲有代表他沒問題啦對,他沒問題,他說尊重主席啦坤貞他有說尊重主席決定好那這個部分是稅出通貸業務費委辦費的部分因為委辦費你們編了3365萬那委辦費的部分我們也發覺也增加了27%比113年增加了729萬那顯然會有更多東西需要去委辦 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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三、繼續審查三、繼續審查 |
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三點一百萬,凍結一百萬,科目自行調整使用。提供書面報告使得動之。如果各位沒有問題,我們再處理五到六案。為什麼都有提啊?沒有人提啊?我這邊三點一千萬,你們先說明一下好不好? |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算 |
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這個增加都是因為配合整個一個院的指示跟一些政策推動的這個實際需要所以是不是建請可以免於簡略凍結反之時我們來提書面報告或動之 |
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好的,因為所長,其實我們這邊純粹以預算的角度來考量,純潔預算,因為在今年度你只編7,316萬,7,300多萬,但是114年呢,你的預算是1.38億啦,1.38億,其實增加了89%,所以我們看到這個增加比較多,當然你有提供一些項目嘛,淨零啊、排碳啊,有一些項目, |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
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是跟委員 呃 召委報告齁 剛提到的 呃 其實 呃 因為所在我們部裡面扮演的就是所謂的自顧的一個角色齁 剛提到那個競技排隊的部分其實就由他們在統合在做各個單位都有配合做 但是主要主軸還是由他們在做雖然因為這個 剛講的這個競技排隊確實是我們 呃最近這幾年來我們覺得是一個很重要的一個業務齁 是不是這邊可以拜託 呃 這個 |
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稍微是不是可以高台櫃手就用凍結方式讓他這個預算可以編組。包括因為他有所謂的交通路口的部分那些標線的一些指引的問題要去做一個統一的規範。 |
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好那針對本案我們就凍結10%第五到第六案稅出通案業務費一般事務費凍結10%提供書面報告使得動之各位有沒有不同意見沒有好我們接下來待會我不講話啦下一案拜託提案委員講一講前面五案都有在講來七到二十二案那很多委員都有提案針對第一幕運輸科技運用研究 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、 |
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一定要刪,因為這裏面,好像湖邊的蠻厲害的。最主要的原因,相關研究的實際績效,是真的有待加強。所以啊,這裏啊,就所長啊,自己講,刪多少,一定要刪。 |
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另外第十案是我還是建議主席的這個裁定百分之十凍結百分之十第十四案可以改為主結議第十四案改主結議第十六案也是主張最少要凍百分之十那以上就是第七案的部分一定要刪刪多刪少因為我旁邊好像因為壓力也太大 |
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所以要刪多少由所長自己講好不好他兩次用完了吧但是你的還沒有用一個人兩次林俊憲委員謝謝主席其實我們醫研所又一直什麼研究現在你們算一下現在大概多少位委員 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、 |
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另外我提第八案是因為人工智慧現在預算這個變成一個熱門名詞啦動不動就寫人工智慧什麼智慧什麼的你那個公路事件攤開管理計畫那我請教我請教運燃所啦那我們的每年車禍件數有減少嗎你每年都花那麼多錢在研究如果道路安全如果什麼智慧都是一些很聽了 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查 |
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每一年在公路上死亡的三千多人欸五十幾萬人受死傷欸是不是應該要有一些績效出來好啦現在預算在給你我滴滴啪啦那我先凍結10%啦那原所應該要三個月提計畫就你的辦理的成效嘛 |
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謝謝陳樹葉召委接下來陳雪真委員 |
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好,謝謝主席。那本席就是針對運營所在114年度預算案在這個運輸科技應用研究業務向下有新增編列智慧道路技術應用與運輸效率升級計畫。那第一年的經費是1600萬元。 |
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其實本席的意見也是跟剛剛軍縣委員的重點差不多。因為我們知道運營所是交通部的一個就是應該算是那個智庫提供相關針對交通安全的一個改善的一些就是建議或者是策略。那我們也看到交通部在 |
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106年到109年有推動智慧運輸系統發展建設計畫這是應該算是第一期計畫那在110年又接續第二期的計畫就是到11年到113年就是預言所負責這個人工智慧應用於公路事件探勘與管理計畫那在明年度114年就是要接續推動第三期的計畫就是這個智慧道路技術應用與運輸效率 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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好謝謝陳雪生委員好第7案到第22案齁其實國政委員坐在我旁邊我壓力也很大你知道嗎我是希望他離開齁我代表他發言剛才提到這個3減5千萬這個齁首長 |
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欸,我懷疑,剛才郡議員講的,我來這邊好幾屆了,四屆了齁。我們一直希望你委外啊,能夠降低。你現在,你又增加那麼多錢,你幹什麼?是要做委外嗎? |
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包括委員,我們委外一直在降低,有按遵照大院的...為什麼要增加那麼多錢呢?因為就是新的一些工作,像這幾年整個道安非常的重要。新的你們去研究就好啦。但是這裡面有一些道安的工作,它事實上要有大量的一些調查的一些工作,還是有需要的。如果你們一直委外的話,我是主張這個預算全數刪除,還不是三五千萬,九千多萬應該通通刪掉,郭政委你覺得呢? |
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今天有說全部算喔?你也說全部算喔?不過我剛才看那個首長報告還滿虔誠的齁不是不是不是,因為他是個老實人啊我知道,我認識他很久啦我們來台北開會常常借他的會議室啊總是喝點咖啡、茶什麼的 |
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國中委員都在我這邊等等我壓力很大你離開好不好第七案跟趙偉報告第七案到22案齁三個三五百萬嘛應該也要有啦五千萬是不要啦好不好好你不想同意我全部殺人就凍結好我先等委員都補充說明完畢我們再來好謝謝來齁來蔡其昌委員 |
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我簡單啦,第一個我的提案100萬那個不用再討論啦,凍結100萬是象徵啦那我主要就是說檢驗檢探裡面喔,自行車不但是產業對碳排的減少也很大的幫助啊我都覺得你們應該更加強一下所以我的100萬不足討論這個應該是沒有問題啦因為等一下凍結的都超過我 |
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所以這是第一個第二個對於這個運營所我其實主席我是主張這樣子這個其實每一個委員他都有他對交通部該去規劃或者應該去研究的題目大家都會跟運營所建議跟交通部建議所以我是覺得這個比例委外比例下降這個交通委員會從我 |
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十幾年前進來就已經開始在講這個你們也按照標準不能增加只能逐年減少但有些工作我也知道你們不可能全部可以自己做的來那你院所到底要編多少人才有能力把這些事情解決所以原則性的事情掌握住三的部分我還是建議大家盡量不要三太多因為我們都要叫人做我們委員在這個台下 |
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一下子要人家回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究回去研究 |
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三個一千萬你看怎麼樣?全部餒?因為當然最後召委來採視啦我們底下小鬼在那邊討論啦齁國賊兄請你先離開好不好這邊我會幫你處理 |
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好那我這邊也稍微說一下我提三個案子我就簡單啦委員說過我都不再重複啊那其實第11案主要是針對於這個因為你是四年計劃嘛那明年是最後一年編了5025萬那主要用於港灣設施的防災研究啊這沒問題啊大家都支持嘛那我覺得因為接近尾聲了想要知道一些研究的一個結果就那天好像你們的人員來跟我們說明啊 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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議員議員議員 |
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現在的我們台灣的一個組合力無人機它的主力機種可以運用在你們在運用的這個部分不是說自己去拍這個部分我是覺得這個部分麻煩你們到時候能夠詳細跟我說明一下好不好那我們針對所有委員提案麻煩 |
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你們做個說明是謝謝趙偉跟謝謝各位委員我想整個道安的這個經濟是需要持續不斷那因為所我想我們就是繼續在這個研究發展公路上面包括應用影像的辨識技術去提升整個車輛上面裝設的這些所謂的ADAS的這個它的一個功能那希望 |
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獲得獲得獲得 |
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另外剛才昭緯特別提到了無人機,雖然我們前期計畫是透過這個計畫然後我們開放我們的場域然後輔導國內的廠商開發我們可以應用在國內本土的這種偏鄉離島環境的這種物流的這種機型已經有三家業者三個機型 |
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經過我們這幾年的一個從概念驗證到服務驗證那明年就是最後一年就是我們希望可以完成商業的驗證那可以實際後面就可以來做這個包括像雲林會像衛福部現在也跟我們在做接洽他可以希望未來我們的這個無人機可以幫忙 |
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獲得免費配送的功能等等所以這個部分確實我們都有這個很實務實的在推動我們的這些工作所以是不是可以建議確實我們這個需要辦理的這個研究工作非常的多那我們會自我要求我們的這個研究都會讓他能夠真正的有市政上的一個應用 |
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議員議員議員 |
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李君哲委員謝謝昭偉當然現在大家針對交通運輸相關的議題都非常的重視所以在交通委員會各個委員針對相關的議題都要交通部提出具體的研究以及相關的建議改善的政策我們這一次運營所的相關的運輸科技應用研究的業務 |
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其實說明也算清楚就是說我們針對運輸科技應用研究的業務還有這個陸運及港灣設計防災的技術研究計畫 |
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以及運輸部門深度檢探及調試研究計畫還有無人機交通領域的創新應用之整合測試計畫還有智慧道路的技術應用與運輸效率的升級計畫都是面臨我們現在所遇到的交通議題的困境以及未來交通運輸發展之趨勢 |
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7753.53 |
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7772.08 |
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所以這些項目在運營所也都提出具體的一些研究的這些項目我們也尊重各個委員所提出的意見對於運營所的研究的量能相關的這些預算其實我認為還是要給予 |
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7774.361 |
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7782.718 |
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他們經費的運用。我具體的建議是3減300萬然後凍結10%提書面報告後解凍。以上。 |
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7786.343 |
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7805.965 |
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好謝謝各位委員跟我們這個運援所的一個說明啊那針對本案討論已久齁那是不是因為我們看到三點案有三個啦但是都是我們林委員提的嘛那我們就刪你最小條這一條了齁三百萬好不好可以啦三百萬啦可以啦 |
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7810.361 |
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7836.558 |
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三個五百萬啦。還是五百萬可以接種嗎?不是啦,因為我跟你講你們那些研究案委辦的很多那個刪下去只有九點多趴而已啦。別的單位啊,所以吼,不可以討價還價。我跟你講,你去請那個為事的來我已經壓力很大了啦,不要再這樣啦。好不好?我跟你講啦,這個看柯市長的面子啦,我跟你講啦,懂了沒有? |
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7839.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7866.819 |
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好了那我們想這個案子這個階段已經停太久了齁那我們直接來處理啊大家的共識其實也蠻接近的不遠了齁那針對於第七就不是五百嗎五百嗎對啊動十趴好然後科目科目可以讓你們齁去那個那就三百萬我們動百分之二十出面是可以嗎好科目自己調整 |
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7869.701 |
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7891.98 |
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好,針對於第七到二十二案第一幕運輸科技應用研究業務的部分我們做一下處理三減三百萬凍結百分之二十提書面報告使得動之科目自行調整那其中第十四案改為主決議 |
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7894.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7905.128 |
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好各位沒有問題我們繼續處理第二三案到第41案第三目運輸研究業務提案委員有要補充說明的嗎好黃建豪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
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7931.207 |
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好,謝謝趙委員我提的是第30案是針對運輸研究業務下面的人本交通運輸研究發展計劃我想因為這個是去年114年定成這個基準年嘛是行人死亡願景那當你希望說逐年的這個人死亡人呃行人死亡人數能夠下降 |
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7931.787 |
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7948.519 |
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但是如果我們比較112跟113的這個所謂行人死亡人數其實基本上可以說持平或是有點微幅的增加所以說我覺得這個東西跟政策目標有違反那既然你們是部的單位到底這個人本交通運輸安全研究發展計畫你們到底要怎麼做 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
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二、繼續審查 |
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7975.172 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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7992.478 |
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8007.484 |
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那到底台灣適合什麼樣的方案我是希望說我們能夠提出一個真正能夠解決本土問題的人本交通問題而不是一直參考國外的一直拿來用因為就用不起來啊當然說我們的7樓也好我們的7樓這種文化還有佔用的問題那還有我們人行道你要蓋人行道的時候 |
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8008.004 |
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8008.805 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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8037.869 |
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8060.649 |
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謝謝主席本席提的是第33案就是針對有關那個橋樑的管理資訊系統的維護管理因為我們知道這個橋樑關係的這個交通安全非常的重要那我們也看到之前就是有爆發這個就是某教授他開設的這個工程技術顧問公司他承攬了我們 |
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8061.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
8066.091 |
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全台約百分之八十的橋樑檢測的標案那竟然他竟然沒有派這個就是親自派員去現場勘查拍照就是上傳不實的照片我覺得這個是一個非常嚴重的一個問題那當然他目前也已經就是被判刑兩年 |
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8079.316 |
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8082.419 |
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關於這個問題,希望運輸署能夠說明目前臺灣地區橋樑管理資訊系統的維護管理防備機制。我們希望這樣的管理資訊確實要落實,因為這個關係到每一個用路人的安全問題。 |
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8122.459 |
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所以本席針對就是有關我們明年度的這個預算在運輸研究業務向下編列的人本交通運輸研究發展計劃第三年的這個經費我提凍結百分之十然後可以針對這一個部分來提出書面報告後使得動之謝謝好謝謝林俊憲委員麥克風 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
8131.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
8160.252 |
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謝主席本集題第29案29案是我們的運輸研究業務向下的基礎運輸研究主要是要研究臺灣公路容量噴吸軟體一帶公路交通系統模擬軟體你看你每次申請運營所的預算光是各項研究的題目研究項目題目有空要眼花瞭亂但是你這個研究下去啊你要解決什麼?塞車問題嗎? |
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8162.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
8167.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
8180.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
8180.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
8196.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
8199.723 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查 |
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8211.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
8236.408 |
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明年要增加2500萬到8289你這4年下來光這個人本交通研究計畫研究好幾億喔你總預算多少行政院合計4年的計畫大概是3.4億平均每年大概是8500萬3.4億都是研究喔沒有任何硬體建設吧只要研究要研究3億塊 |
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8242.043 |
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8255.823 |
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那可以拿出什麼樣的跡象?我看你在預算書也沒有寫得很清楚啦不過你明年預算有一筆錢我倒是蠻期待的就是你說那個道路交通標誌號線的設置一個參考指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
8256.824 |
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8258.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
adequate to the state budget. |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
8279.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
8294.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
議員會議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
8294.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
8297.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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8321.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
8323.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
二、繼續審查二十五案 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
8337.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
8355.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那有鑒於這個要達到2050年近年轉型的一個目標那我們政府也投入了大筆的一個金費準備要推廣這個運具電動化的一個項目那目前是預估在2030年要達成市區的公車跟公務車全面電動化 |
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8356.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
8357.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
8386.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
8387.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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8414.533 |
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8435.448 |
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接下來請林國臣委員本席提四個案23案、24案、27、28這四個案當然都是刪減我看在這個刪減的這種惡劣的環境之下就由主席來做裁定因為我刪的話蠻多的但是 |
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8440.071 |
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8458.879 |
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不要撤啦不要撤啦因為還是要三但是我要提醒所長三的範圍說實在你們可以自請調緊不要硬邦邦如果這樣的話我也會跟你一樣會堅持好學生委員等一下等一下先崑澤委員來崑澤委員 |
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8463.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8487.729 |
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好 謝謝我是第34案有關於人本交通運輸研究發展計劃第一期112年到115年他編列預算是8289萬元當然他主要的用途是包括強化人、車、路、橋、安全資能及管理等等 |
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8488.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8514.192 |
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那其實在113年我們看這個交通事故的113年149月交通事故的總件數是高達290332萬件那相較於去年同期是降低了但是也僅僅降低了3.3% |
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8516.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8533.045 |
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二十九萬件比去年同期降了3.3%這個在當初我們要求相關的交通事故的總件數應該要降到5%是有進步但是還是不符合我們的預期 |
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8535.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8559.225 |
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那相關的計畫就提升道路交通安全的成效必須要嚴謹的督促再提升所以我是建議各位這個強化這種人車路橋安全資料及管理這個預算8289萬其實它有初步的成績但是我們還是不滿意3.3%我們預計是要5%以上 |
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8562.387 |
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8576.671 |
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所以這個部分我希望大家不要刪除啦不要刪除我是提出凍結預算500萬提出書面報告後解凍以上好謝謝接下來陳樹葉召委之後陳雪真委員 |
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8579.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8579.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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8600.916 |
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8618.855 |
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議員會在執行道路交通標誌、標線、號誌、設置參考指引是怎樣做出來的?是去國外參觀還是自己想的?還是自己坐在辦公室想的?還是有去實地每個路口去研究、去觀察? |
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8619.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8634.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
因為我覺得說我的選區就是台一線永晉田尾大概有幾個入口在今年大概是四五月開始就是有做了一些變動本來都有左轉的這個號誌 |
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8635.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8660.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
﹝廢話﹞ |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
8660.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8681.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8681.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8682.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
陳雪森委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8712.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8726.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
剛才那個國政委員跟我討論還是擔心你們通通都是請學者專家又是委外啦所以預算這個超出那麼多他三年的主要理由是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8728.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8756.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
不過這樣啦,稍微我兩個擴大還沒用他心情已經比較好一點這個今天心情到現在為止比較放鬆了所以我的建議他比較能夠虛心的接受啦砍他說一定要砍好不好三還是要三當然也不能像崑哲偉說主張只是凍結啦稍微你評估一下好不好,三一點好不好,一試一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8756.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8779.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
好謝謝各位委員來請來運營所來做一個綜合性的說明好謝謝召委跟各位委員我想道安確實是大家非常關切重重之重那委員執教像我們在這一個計畫裡面主要就是要去建立本土化的道路交通安全指引希望可以讓這一個工程 |
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8780.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8781.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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8805.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8827.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
bicyclist 或是左轉偏心車道或是耗置的這種所謂的這個實質的設計事實上都有相關的規範現在問題就是實務單位本身在整個在施作從規劃設計到建設的時候他沒有一套指引能夠把我們現行的這些相關的規範能夠怎麼樣應用在這個實際的道路環境上面去做比 |
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8828.032 |
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8829.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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8854.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8876.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
另外像這個公路容量研究是讓我們很多交通的道路交通的改善或是一些新建計畫在做它的一個規劃設計評估的時候一個很基礎的一個分析的工具包括要知道它的一個容量才能夠知道這個道路改善或設計之後所提供的服務水準到底是怎麼樣 |
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8877.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8899.065 |
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這個是一個本土化而且是需要長期性研究的工作那橋樑的這個管理生系統裡面我們事實上已經把這個原來存在的說這個檢測人員他可以在檢測實際到橋樑檢測之前就把他的這個頭像這個拍照上傳這個已經把它取消掉了 |
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8899.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8927.733 |
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現在只有檢測人員他實際到的他要執行檢測的橋樑現場才能夠再把他的頭像能夠上傳而且後端也有把這個道路管理機關他所委託檢測人員有資格的檢測人員的這些資料都有放在資料系統資料庫那會去做比對那所以他如果不是這一個合格的檢測人員他基本上就會把他給這一個發掘出來那另外如果說 |
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adequa管理機關他的橋樑有一些所謂的需要比較優先來改善去維修的他如果還沒有做的話我們現在的系統也都會自動的來警示會提這個警示提醒這個道路管理機關的這些主辦單位另外我們也會每年定期兩次去主動用e-mail的方式去提醒這個道路管理機關比如說縣市政府的首長會提醒他們你們小館的橋樑 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會 |
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所以這些研究案所研究出來的具體的建議或是給其他行政單位的參考到底有沒有落實在實際上實務上這個我想是今天很多委員會非常關心的第一個在你們的案子裡面比如說我剛剛有質疑 |
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議員會議員會議 |
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﹝廣告﹞ |
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但是你們這個作為推動調適工作之參考那我又想請教我們的高鐵公司跟台鐵公司又對於你們研究出來的這些研究案的結論或者是具體建議又採納了多少? |
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這是第二個問題第三個剛剛也很多人在關心的現在行人安全我們道路交通安全都非常重要尤其我們相關的這個法規都有做大幅度的調整那在後續當然我們希望有更多的研究案是來建立台灣本土的道路交通道路的一個設施的一個建置的一個標準規劃的一個指引包括標誌標線號誌等等 |
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包括 your research on smart transportation, local government, local road traffic, smart transportation and so on.但是這些都是照研究,研究案我們錢當然可以給你,預算當然要支持。但是我們更多委員是希望能夠看到的是這些研究案裡面在實務經驗上的一個回饋跟正面的一個 |
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﹝廢話﹞ |
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獲得提醒及參考指引。獲得提醒及參考指引。例如說你是在交通部鄉下的運燃所。你的這個相關的一個參考跟指引能不能被我們的內政部國土署納入在他的所謂的他的道路設計規範的一個系統裡。 |
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adequate其實才是我們真正關心的這個預算花下去我們願意支持啊但是支持出來的研究的一個具體的建議跟結論跟成果到底能不能實踐作為我們整個國家對不管是海陸空相關的交通的安全的一個 |
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最有利的一個學術或是研究的基礎這個才是我們希望能夠給予預算支持之外請你也告訴我們舉個例子也好好不好謝謝 |
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謝謝何委員。研究只是一個手段,真正是要實地落地應用,這個是我們一直非常重視的。 |
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那以這個道路交通安全檢查的這個制度來講事實上因為我們公路法在去年修法就已經明文規定這個要推動道路的安全檢查那等於就是說那這個法已經入法但是後續要執行那現在就是由我們的研究計畫能夠把這個整個制度這個檢查的表單這些檢查的工具還有相關的這個配套 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算 |
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好,黃天豪委員謝謝趙偉,不好意思,我再呼應一下剛剛何行春委員講的其實就是說法律很多,研究案很多但是比如說剛剛提到的像這個內政部那邊是行人交通安全設置條例今年三讀通過然後之前又有一個所謂的道路交通標示標線設置規則其實我們在管道路管行人的相關法律非常非常多但變成是到底適用是內政部還是適用在交通部那到底誰來執行 |
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二、繼續審查 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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但是三一執行完之後就像剛剛其他委員講的嘛你三一執行完你這研究案研究完之後我到地方政府去做的時候我能做到嗎還是一樣還是跟以前一樣照樣會每年3000多人死於車禍這個意外所以我就覺得這部分我覺得所長你們還是要積極一點了好不好 |
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謝謝黃委員今天大家對於這個第三部討論已經非常非常充分了那當然因為我覺得總結啦因為其實我們運輸委員所是一個幕僚單位啦是個staff你的幫忙我們交通部部長 |
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bicyclope |
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你知道嗎?如果說想得好,能夠落實,變成一個可執行的一個念頭,變成手腳都會動。啊如果弄得不好就是最差的是一個念頭咻一下過去了。但是咻一下過去花了1500萬,然後也沒幹什麼,就過去了。那另外一種是說執行一半了,手腳不協調啊,地方單位也不配合。其實這大概是所有委員比較擔心的。但我覺得這個部分有些是非戰之罪啦。你只要把你研究計畫做得好, |
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整個有決策能力的人他要不要用其實有時候不見得是幕僚單位可以決定的不過因為大家畢竟有擔心在預算上面呈現一些委員的一個擔心那我們看了一下第23案到41案我們預作以下處理我們這樣好不好整個幕一億四千 |
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一億四千四百零一萬餘元。這個部分我們就整體來三減五百萬,凍結百分之十。請針對委員各個提議來做書面報告時的動機。科目自行調整使用。可以了。太少了。 |
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三、繼續審查三、繼續審查三、繼續審查三、繼續審查 |
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好那沒有問題我們接下來處理決議案42案到第48案請各位委員翻開第42案來翻一下 |
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第42案 遵照辦理第43案遵照辦理第44案遵照辦理第45案遵照辦理第46案遵照辦理第47案遵照辦理 |
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第47案照案通過第48案照案通過我們交通部運輸研究所處理完畢接下來換鐵道局休息5分鐘 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算。adequate to the current situation. |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查八、繼續審查九、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、繼續審查十、 |
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好謝謝各位委員我們接下來審查交通部鐵道局及所屬114年度單位預算請各位翻開建議併案及預算表我們依序審查 |
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首先是第一案,增列案,是稅務的部分,針對於罰金、罰還及貸金,罰金、罰還是這個部分。好,第一案,增列一百萬。 |
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如果沒問題我們接下來審查處理第二到第14案稅出的部分第一幕一般行政有聽到委員要補充說明嗎?好徐副國務委員麥克風 |
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謝謝主席本席提出第九案那有建議我們現在的那個鐵路系統都是主要採取日本的技術那跟中國的鐵道系統沒有直接的業務往來或技術合作的需求那針對鐵道局提出這個大陸地區旅費的部分本席是認為不大需要所以原本是要刪除但是經過溝通我們就提案凍結10%那請這個鐵道局提出書面報告號使得動之謝謝 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央 |
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來林俊憲委員接下來林國臣主席本席也提類似我們就改凍結不刪除一樣是李運輝的問題好來林國臣委員好本席提第三案跟第11案現在我看起來這個鐵道好像最近非常強硬就改為不刪了就改為還是凍結 |
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好,還有委員有意見嗎?好,針對於這個部分我本身有提幾個案啦當然主要第一個是水電費的部分啦針對於各個局數我們都希望節能審探政府部門先行這種概念但事實上增加不多啦那我這個改成組決議啦好不好希望你們注意單位內的這個節能審探那再來這個第 |
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第七案第七案我提的部分是一般事務費因為我們看到你從今年度今年度的4200多萬加到了明年度預算看到的5485萬總共增加了1276萬大概30%左右一般事務費增加這麼多我們覺得這個大家要遵節開支所以有一些希望能夠幫你們去調整這邊提3.10% |
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其他五個提案也請你們去做一個參與。鐵道局來說明。好,謝謝各位委員。剛剛所提有關差旅費還有大陸地區旅費等等,凍結10%。我們遵從委員意見配合辦理。至於剛剛召委所提到的我們一般行政下面的事務費有關, |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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檔案櫃隔間的方法,所幸是發生在早上7點多,我們整個辦公室一堆這個隔間櫃通通都倒塌,如果在上班時間的話恐怕同仁會有安全上面的問題,所以我們希望明年能夠把它改成這個自視的這樣的一個隔間,再懇請委員來支持,謝謝。 |
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好,因為我們一般的行政我們現在在審查的一個範圍裡面包括的項目是讓蠻多的啦那有委員提這個出國旅費大陸地區的旅費還有國外的旅費啦還有其他的一般的行政 |
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你剛剛是講說出國禮費3%你尊重嗎?凍結10%不是刪除,聽錯了聽錯兩個字是凍結還是刪除凍結凍結凍結是是是那我們一併來處理一併來處理 |
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還沒有?稍等一下我們現在在處理的是第二到第14案是嗎?二到十四案二到十四案這個部分有不少委員提案刪減金額不一那凍結大概從10%到20%那這樣總經費是13億 |
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一千五百五十八萬餘元這個部分齁好看齁平衡一下了齁沒有委員沒有委員沒有委員三點嗎只有我齁剩下我的嗎剛剛跟委員報告就真的是有這個電梯然後還有污水設施還有辦公室隔間安全的問題這個我想再拜託委員給我們支持謝謝 |
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好那有有沒有委員那個不同意見我們直接採凍結方式處理各位有沒有意見沒有意見齁那我們針對於第二到第十四案說出第一幕一般行政的部分凍結10%請綜合提針對委員的一個疑問提出書面報告使得動之好其中第五案改成主決議 |
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對好接下來翻到下一頁我們處理15到21案第二幕鐵道業務總共經費是29 |
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二十九億九千四百六十七萬餘元。還有幾位委員提案。好,陳書燁在後面。好,謝謝主席。那本席提的是第19案。那我們知道現在國內有很多的這個鐵道建設正在規劃或者是在執行。那我們希望就是說在這個重大的鐵道建設的 |
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此行的過程我們鐵道局應該要落實公安因為我們的明年度的編列預算裡面其中業務也包括辦理落實安慰管理措施降低職災發生達到公安零事故這樣子一個目標那因為我們看到在這幾年也有發生了幾次的公安的意外所以本席在這邊希望鐵道局能夠逐案檢討事故發生的原因 |
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確實落實公安零事故零災害的目標,所以我是提凍結預算一千萬元的凍結案,然後提出書面報告後,使得動之。謝謝。 |
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好,接下來請何欣淳委員好,謝謝昭緯那個預算雖然我沒提案但是連署基本上我都會支持因為這裡都是補助給地方的但是我要請教一下局長那個我關心的我們台中的那個烏日大慶的一個那個鐵路高架化的部分那是我我們一直很關心也是最後一里路高架化工程的最後一里路那現在到底跟台中市政府協調談得怎麼樣 |
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好,謝謝何委員。 |
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好,發言委員已經發言完畢齁那您這個簡單說明一下這個業務的話主要辦理什麼事?跟趙偉還有各位報告這個鐵道業務齁其實是鐵道局今年天上掉下來的禮物啦這是台鐵常在基金1700億的利息負擔啦 |
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所以這個部分真的是沒辦法砍因為就是1700億要付的利息的錢就是在這一項業務裡面去做支出所以我們一年要付的利息大概就是29億多這裡面淋雨的款項非常非常少只有幾十萬好像800萬左右是我們處理這一項業務的這個費用所以是不是懇請這個召委還有各位委員這一邊這一項是不是讓我們提出書面報告把它說明清楚就好 |
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如果凍結的話可能也會影響到我們付給銀行的這個利息的這樣的一個進度是不是 這個懇請各位委員來支持 謝謝可是沒有凍結你也不用提全部改組決議啊這麼嚴重嗎新增的業務是是是是 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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第15到21案第二幕鐵道業務的部分,提案委員的提案均改為主決議。好,如果各位沒有意見接下來處理第22到第26案。 |
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第三目國家鐵道建設與管理林國春委員再來林俊憲委員我本來是凍結我本席提22跟23本來是凍結30%跟20%現在就由主席去裁定凍結少一點也可以林俊憲委員 |
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現在主席本席提第二十四案是關於我們鐵道局國家鐵道建設與管理這個編了兩億六千多萬但這其中有一項業務就是鐵道工程管理的一般行政性的管理包括法案的制定我想了解一下鐵道局照理講你們應該趕快參考國際鐵道安全規範訂定監理的法規比如說一些安全的標準或建立措施但是這個草案 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算 |
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好,謝謝李委員來這個目使用的方向鐵道局說明一下 |
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跟召委還有各位委員報告本項這個科目用的是我們四個工程分局的基本的維持費用那剛剛軍縣委員所關切的這個邊坡規範我們經過努力已經在今年12月18號已經交通部定班實施了各個鐵路機構都應該要就邊坡管理的部分按照我們這樣的安全標準包括邊坡要到更上層來做管理還有告警系統的建置等等 |
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這個規範已經下去,那明年開始我們會加強做這個部分相關的監理跟檢查的工作,謝謝。好,那針對於這個木,不過我是建議一下,因為這個工程管理費,工程管理費你在發包的時候留下一定的%因為你們工程的經費都非常多,我是在這裡先提醒也建議一下,你們這工程 |
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管理費不會上這個預算你們真的要好好運用啊聽說請了多少人啊然後去做什麼事啊這個部分工程管理費的部分你們自己要管理好好不好那針對這個第三步國家鐵道建設與管理的部分我們就採凍結10%提書面報告使得動之各位有沒有不同意見沒有好那我們繼續 |
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處理二十九到三十九案第四目鐵公路重要交通工程李崑祖委員好久沒講話了講一下先副委員 |
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謝謝主席那我提的第32到35案都是我們屏東現在重大的交通建設這個是希望我們鐵道局能夠這個能夠加快來辦理那第32案是針對我們的高鐵南沿屏東這個案子 |
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稍後星期六行政院長正式宣布採取高雄方案,但本席擔心施工期程與地方溝通會拉長太多時間。為了確保高鐵南延屏東案子能順利推動,我們希望 |
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三、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、 |
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第四案的部分是有關於這個潮州道訪寮地區這個目前是單軌化的一個鐵道那車輛調度的困難性跟班次的減少那造成我們的鄉親使用的不方便那所以我們要求鐵道局能夠加快推動潮州道訪寮這個鐵路雙軌化的一個期程然後也是一樣要求提出一個書面報告時的動機 |
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第三十五案是針對我們訪寮火車站一個大平台的一個計畫那這部分因為整個鐵道局規劃的期程要預估到九年那本期是認為太過冗長而且對於這個地方的這個交通的改善的這個速度太慢 |
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議員提出書面報告,使得動之。以上說明,謝謝。好,李坤哲委員。謝謝昭偉。第三十案,請鐵道局要說明一下。鐵道局捷運建設計畫,它的預算是編列190億元。 |
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那這個部分主要是針對未來台鐵要興建一些車站我認為是應該要先將是否要裝設月台門要進行規劃就是說你避免反覆的施工所以我提凍結一千萬那一個月內針對鐵道興建車站工程裝設月台門的可行性要提出書面的報告 |
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現在整個作者都要做月台門,又重複施工。以上 |
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好,謝謝各位委員那我個人提的是第37案啦只是說這個硬體建設的一般我們都不會去要去砍或者凍結那最主要這一條332萬5000元是這個媒體政策及業務宣導費啦我們也在想說到底在宣導什麼因為這一條費用的話在看到112年有編但是沒有執行,執行率是0 |
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今年根本沒有編列明年就跳出來332萬所以我在想說如果要宣導什麼麻煩可能要說明一下鐵道局回覆 |
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寶貴的意見,我逐項來做一個報告。剛剛徐副委員所提到的各項建設,包括雙軌的部分,仿寮到潮州,現在有一段就是南州到林邊的地方已經是雙軌。 |
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那潮州到南州然後林邊到仿寮我們已經放在南回鐵路改善的這個計畫裡面現在正在報可行性研究我們會加速來做後面的一些處理那剛剛副委員也有提到就是高鐵延伸的這個案子我想為了加速屏東端的相關的建設跟鄉親的有感我們已經報給交通部同意就是六塊錯 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
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剛剛還有提到平南其他的一些鐵路建設計畫我想我們中道委員的提示會來做加速這個騎乘的一些推動至於剛剛我們李昆哲委員所提示的我們非常認同就是月台門的這個設置在未來的興建的鐵路車站裡面應該要列為標配 |
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現在應該就是台鐵公司正在就第一個事辦的這樣的一個計畫來去做辦理當中如果他們這個事辦計畫完成相關的建制標準跟工程設施的一些規範的時候我們會納在我們後續的鐵路建設計畫裡面 |
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﹝廣告﹞ |
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﹏﹏﹏ |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸研究所單位預算 |
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稍後李昆德委員 |
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台鐵當然這些車站就分特等站、一等站、二等站還有檢疫站、招募站你不是說每個車站都有必要去裝設一個檯門就是針對比較有需要的這些來先做規劃以及通盤的一個檢討以上 |
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好那針對於第四幕我們已經做了這個蠻多的討論那我這邊還是建議一下我們局長還有次長要拜託一下因為你這個因為你們所謂公務類的這個媒體的宣傳業務宣傳會不會常常到網路來罵我 |
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五、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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如果你們這種沒捐費用就說我全部要完成了搞了個25年了10年了我才幫你宣傳一次你說真的我們不管是北中南各區大家都很很辛苦啊包括我們像屏東徐副委員都讓我們去解釋我建議是說你這如果你們可以答應的話我這刪除100萬我可以不刪啦就你也要幫我們宣傳一下桃園你們現在鐵路地下化是你在做嘛 |
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三、繼續審查三、繼續審查三、繼續審查三、繼續審查 |
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adequate |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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一百九十億一千三百四十萬元這個我看了一下除了剛剛沒宣3.1百萬各位委員都沒有都是提凍結案那這樣好不好因為我覺得很多的剛剛委員的提案還是要你們書面精確的做答覆這整個的部分我們就凍結10%提供書面再來解凍這樣可以嗎好 |
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好,接下來我們處理決議案。主決議號40到第45案。請各位翻開第40頁,第40案。 |
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第40案照案通過第41案照案通過第42案照案通過第43案照案通過第44案照案通過第45案照案通過鐵道局預算處理 |
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完畢齁然後還有基金嘛是不是好接下來還是原班人馬嘛不用換場好請各位委員拿出鐵這個叫什麼鐵道發展基金114年度副屬單位預算建議併案及預算表 |
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好我們這個主案開始審查首先第一案到第18案業務費用的部分總共有18案好那有沒有委員要普通說明好學富貴委員陳樹葉召委 |
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韓國瑜議員韓國瑜議員韓國瑜議員 |
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第8案,我們屏東縣因為沿海鄉鎮的地勢低挖,尤其是鐵道的周邊形成一個很大的治水障礙。所以本期這邊也要求鐵道局應該加快我們加東道訪寮的全線高架化的雙軌工程,也要完善我們這個區域排水的一個改善。所以針對這個 |
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第11案有鑑於輕軌系統國產化的比例比較偏低我們也希望能夠加快執行的量能所以針對專業服務費的部分本席提出凍結10%經過溝通了所以請鐵道局再提出相關的宿命計畫使得凍結。謝謝陳書瑋、張偉接下來林國誠委員 |
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謝謝主席本席提第13案就是針對我們這個鐵道基金他的明年度的預算數優費用這個6億2846萬元其中有要補助這個政府機關就是這個鐵道 |
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因應機構建置5G智慧鐵道等設備的6千萬元的預算。 |
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好接下來發言順序黃建華委員再來林國成委員李昆哲委員 |
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十四、繼續審查十四年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算 |
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二、繼續審查 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
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我剛剛講第一件事就是我是希望鐵道局能夠擔負相關責任第二件事就是經費如果你真的要第一個階段要做所謂地方的道路規劃設計的話經費上應該要給台中政府再多一點不能只有目前給100這樣子的這個實在說不過去以上 |
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林國成委員本席提的是第17案、第18案基本上這個是補助單位我說實在的局長你應該很清楚從113年到現在執行率都只有40%補助給人家錢 |
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但是人家還消耗不了還要回繳執行率只有40%到最高60%所以這個部分我會刪減其原因從11年到11年這三年當中平均不到五成 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
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錢給人家人家還不要就代表什麼政策有問題所以還是可以繼續給沒錯把這種執行力要把它提高原因出在哪邊收服給交通委員會的委員不是說給錢有效果那當然我們樂觀其成我們全力支持 |
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但是你給錢執行率只有40還不到6成那就非常嚴重啊那就是政策有問題執行有問題所以請局長說明一下 |
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好接下來柳崑澤委員再來是何新成委員剛才林國成委員所提這個鐵道局啊楊局長必須要清楚的說明當然這個鐵道發展基金他主要經費來源是來自於政府的預算 |
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然後高鐵的盈餘以及高鐵的平穩機制裝護相關的這些都是主要的經費來源那也希望你們針對相關鐵道產業的發展路網的規劃相關鐵道路網的規劃這都是主要的這些任務了那你們相關補助這些鐵道產業團體或是相關的這些補助執行率不佳這個必須要清楚的說明 |
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另外我是針對第二案我們的業務費用編的7億9785萬那鐵道監理當然是鐵道局重要的業務了但是我們來看包括台鐵高鐵相關的行車事故或者是行車的事件發生的次數 |
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其實並沒有明顯改善那鐵道局作為監理單位是責無旁貸應該要加強督促這些鐵道安全我是提凍結預算一千萬提書面報告後解凍 |
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另外是第九案我們的委託調查研究費考量鐵道發展及監理是鐵道局的核心工作應該要就相關的計畫如何促進鐵道發展及監理業務的具體成效要相加說明這個我提凍結預算100萬提書面報告後解凍 |
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另外是第15案就是捐助國內團體剛才所提的這個編列預算4億1228萬那用途是捐助辦理輕軌系統的自主提升計畫還有鐵道產業研發檢測的發展計畫 |
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接下來請何欣淳委員 |
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雖然我的體驗是在22的一個主決議我沒有凍結因為預算我都支持但是同樣的我也在關心我們台中高鐵這個周遭的一個交通的問題 |
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現在先不要管娛樂城正在施工當中高鐵周遭都已經是交通打劫相對的當時候的設計規劃的道路系統我覺得應該還可以再更精進要更精進當然需要中央地方大家一起來合作我提出一個想法第一個想法是說高鐵周遭的一個系統 |
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1、繼續審查2、繼續審查3、繼續審查4、繼續審查5、繼續審查6、繼續審查7、繼續審查8、繼續審查9、繼續審查10、繼續審查11、繼續審查12、繼續審查13、繼續審查14、繼續審查15、繼續審查16、繼續審查17、繼續審查18、繼續審查19、繼續審查20、繼續審查21、繼續審查22、繼續審查23、繼續審查24、繼續審查24、繼續審查25、繼續審查26、繼續審查27、繼續審查29、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、繼續審查30、 |
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是不是也應該來提點提醒台中市政府對於這個平面道路尤其當時候在核定這個台中的這個所謂的那個什麼亞洲最大的娛樂購物城那在核定他們的建造的時候事實上在相關的行政程序裡面核定建造之前一定要要求那個新建的這個業主要提出相關的這個未來疏解交通平面交通的一個計劃 |
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而那個計畫我雖然不是專業不過以目前看起來如果包括地方政府包括我們所有的民意代表都在講說那個娛樂城新建之後一定那裡會更塞會更嗨那表示他所提出來的當時候有申請建造所附帶提出來的那個平面交通的一個輸運計畫是不是有待商榷是不是應該還可以更好 |
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獲得的專業評估做得不夠好。我覺得我們中央地方應該共同去檢視第一個娛樂城新建的業主本身該負擔起什麼樣的責任在第一個這個交通安全不是只有他是所有乘客包括要進去娛樂城的這些客戶大家所有的人的一個安全的問題 |
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第二個因為台中高鐵是三鐵共購包括台鐵包括高鐵包括捷運這個也都是中央跟地方大家一起合作因為我相信娛樂城當時候在申請建造的時候到底有沒有把三鐵共購的一個輸運計畫他們有沒有納入在他們的一個交通計畫裡面我不知道 |
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數運的這個成效到底能夠達到多少的成效這個就是我們中央地方要努力的剛剛黃建豪委員也有提到這個是三鐵公共裡面台鐵、高鐵跟捷運各有各的責任必須要去因應面對未來會更加嚴重堵塞的這個高鐵周遭的一個交通的問題第三個才是中央委之前在委員會也質詢過 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查 |
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新建完成之後那未來的人潮輸運如何透過高速公路跟快速道路74號線我必須再提醒一下那個國道1號現在已經很嚴重的塞車74號上下班時間也很嚴重的塞車了那 |
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未來如何因應跟疏解是不是要有再評估再興建第二環線或是其他的一個國公路快速道路的需求我覺得這個都是在我們中央跟地方大家一起要合作去因應的啦因為時間很快他那個娛樂城聽說兩三年之後就要完工啟用 |
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好 謝謝何委員那我個人也有提幾個案子那第一案最主要是因為鐵道局也是我們整個鐵道包括鐵路的一個監管監理機關那近年來台鐵這個事故我們覺得不管大橋事故有增加的一個幅度我們是希望能夠積極督促所以這個部分我們是提凍結希望能夠明確了解你未來的一些督導的一個方案 |
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第五案的一個部分是這個旅費的部分那我這個部分也是凍結啦因為希望你們能夠說清楚第十案的部分剛剛有委員已經說過了就是看到你們有在編列輕軌耗資自主提升計畫那這個部分的經費的部分但我們看到113年你在整個的一個 |
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公告徵求申請業務跟研發期程似乎不如預期雖然你們最後講說已經完成了41項這個未來到底要落實在哪裡除了高雄目前是輕軌接下來下一個要落實的城市是哪一個可能要說明一下這個部分我本來有提刪除我們可以改凍結最後一個是第16 |
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第十六案我真的有個感觸剛剛看到這個鐵道局你們本身的預算真的不管多少預算都是紮紮實實的那都是很清楚的要做一些硬體的建設 |
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bicyC. |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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bicyclone在哪裡去做一個實踐還是永遠在一個小領域去做一個實踐我倒是覺得我還是那個話題就說因為國車國造我們在電聯車的部分94年98年都是我們台灣的車廠有去造 |
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議員議員 |
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二、繼續審查 |
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但是你現在要怎麼辦要怎麼樣去介入這個市場然後有沒有這樣一個成熟這個部分還是每一年只花這個研究的費用好不好那請鐵道局來說明一下謝謝昭和還有各位我想就先就剛剛 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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按照交通部的這個科技產業的政策進行這些補助工作的時候我必須要做法規的建制也就是補助要點等等這些東西因為他不是這個這個過去就有的案子然後他也不是按照採購法 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
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現在113到114我們已經在114就會有成果這幾個案子最主要有六大次系統包括車輛軌道車輛的車門系統大家可能無法想像我們連車門都不會做過去 |
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緊電工、轉向架、轉測器、輕軌耗製等等。我們還有記軸器,總共有6個次系統,就是這些案子在研發當中。現在陸續在113年底到114年中,最晚到115年都會有產品,也就是實際的產品,它不是產出報告,它是實際產出這一個轉測器去研發出來。 |
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那我們也在西東捷運跟基隆捷運這兩個案子裡面呢因為是最近的這個案子要求主辦的機關新北市政府捷運工程局納入所謂的約定項目也就是未來的同胞商他必須要用我們國家所生產的轉測器車門跟集電工那最近的訊息就是轉測器已經跟新得標的這個廠商呢已經達成共識就會用到我們的系統上面來了 |
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所以我想這個是我們逐步逐步要去做發展至於剛剛趙偉特別提到了這些中運量甚至高運量的耗資系統坦白跟大家報告我們現在是小學生所以輕軌耗資是第一個入門的門檻 |
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輕軌耗資我們也在補助研發當中分三階段來做這真的是一個困難跟複雜的工作我想這個我要懇請林國成委員跟趙偉給我們支持這些研發案從111年走到現在我們陸續要開花結果 |
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那後面的這些成果呢我想我們可以透過書面報告來跟各位委員說明清楚那懇請各位委員這個預算給我們支持凍結百分之十我們來做完整的書面報告如果有必要我也可以到各位委員辦公室做完整的口頭的這個報告跟說明回到剛剛其他委員的這個意見首先是徐副國委員所提的有關這個屏東的幾個軌道建設案我們一定會 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
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事實上我們在做的是智慧鐵道但是高鐵沿線的這個通訊的這個環境4G跟5G過去我們是曾經努力過讓他們去把基地台去建置起來我想這個我們會來督促高鐵公司把這一塊的部分做得更好那其實協助的是六大電信業者而不是高鐵公司就那些基地台是電信業者在做建置的 |
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這是不是坑村委員我們做一些文字修正我們在後面提書面報告來跟委員做報告其次是剛剛提到的台中黃健老委員跟何欣存委員跟兩位委員報告其實何欣存委員講到一個蠻關鍵的核心也就是說這個開發案在做督設審的時候照理說交通計畫應該是通過核定的 |
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好那台中這個案子在我們新竹跟桃園都不一樣新竹跟桃園交通的周遭的這個停車場也好道路動線也好等等等等合定就合定了現在就照這樣做台中復雜到太復雜所以當初合定的時候呢有兩個考量也就是第一個我們這個合約是五年內要完成第一期的開發 |
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所以如果要等我們把這些交通的複雜問題通通討論完恐怕已經會沒有辦法達成這個5年的期程目標所以當初在做督修省合定的時候就給了一個條件就是地區道路跟周邊的這些高快速公路的連結呢 |
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請後續去做專案的研究處理所以才會是由我們的開發商提供了700萬的經費給台中市政府交通局來做這一個評估評估的結果該改善的屬於廠商該改善的或是屬於政府該去做的其他的這些道路建設我們就按照這個來做我想這個背景是這樣子那剛剛黃建豪委員特別關切 |
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我們是不是700萬丟出來就不管事了?我想沒有啦後來就是在幾位委員的指導底下我們11月17號交通部鐵道局已經成立了這個臺中車站這個開發區的這個交通改善評估平台由我們副局長親自主持 |
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一、繼續審查一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查七、繼續審查八、繼續審查九、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、繼續審查十五、 |
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經討論卻有必要,我想鐵道局會來協助跟支持後續相關的部分。我想這個是台中的部分,我們也深刻體驗到這個案子因為它的整個地理條件,兩個鐵路加上一個高速公路,把這個特定區剛好框在一個三角形的區域裡面,相對來講交通問題確實是複雜。 |
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adequate to the |
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所以我想大概剛剛的部分我應該都有跟大家報告到了那是不是懇請委員這個部分的相關預算其實我們在做的真的都不是研究案都是扎實的其中有一個研究案是我們補助運營所做研究案就跟剛剛前面的討論希望運營所的研究結果跟我們實務執行有扣合 |
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例如大家關切我們的這個林軌施工的安全所以我們今年補助運營所350萬就在這個預算裡面請他幫我們研究工程安全管理系統那其實我們已經在推那這個就是我們業務單位跟研究單位這個合作的一個模式我想以上大概先做這樣的一個補充報告懇請各位委員在這個部分是給我們凍結然後提出書院報告那謝謝大家的支持謝謝 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、 |
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高鐵站區聯外道路系統改善計畫是民國96年以前的計畫,已經執行完了。就所有5個車站總共應該是有42項的這個聯外道路改善計畫,在台中站不知道是哪幾條我現在意思記不起來,像我們桃園站的大竹交流道、橋下道路都是當時這個計畫所做的。 |
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現在編的1.2億是因應雲嘉南地區的地層下限當時因為地層下限所以我們現在每年有補助1億多的經費去協助農業部把高鐵沿線的這些抽取地下水的這些農民 |
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讓他不要抽地下水而去改做比較旱作的這樣的一個職務所以這個一點而已並不是在做這個道路工程改善的工作這是為了高鐵的一個安全性的問題是是是為了高鐵的這個地層下限的安全性而持續補助減少抽取地下水的這樣的一個功這個經費用途是這樣所以如果台中站未來我們討論完之後有需要做道路改善的我想我們會循公路建設的程序再來去跟這個相關機關做協調跟爭取 |
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對啦,中央一定支持啦,好不好?建豪委員,我們就處理啦,好不好?我們主計,主計是陳主委員在哪裡?陳主委員請教一下,我們這個針對我們匯費捐助補助,這個4億1的部分,這個向下,113年目前執行率多少? |
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就今年的113年,113年編了4.48億嘛齁,那目前11月,11月執行率多少?我們報告跟,稍微報告,我們大概預估到年底的執行率大概是75% |
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好 謝謝你因為你給我到11月以前的質詢率是43%因為有時候我們在審預算你總是要給我們講一些道理我看到委員會委員都很講道理就是說錢根本不夠用那已經用到95%98%我說真的啦我們也說不過去啦不敢問 |
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我現在拿到11月大概資金率不到5就這個喔你要捐給別人叫別人去做資金率不到4乘3那你講說好到了月底到12月我們會到達7成那7成大概還有1億多沒有用嘛大概1億3就是在今年的預算錢帳未清嘛你消化不了我覺得你消化系統啊要確定沒有問題我們才可以足量的食物丟進去不然我後年消化也是有問題啦 |
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那我真的我個人給你一個建議現在真的我們有聽說希望不是真的有些國產是台皮外骨台皮啊什麼叫台皮不是啤酒的皮啊 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算 |
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現在剛剛跟大家報告的車門及電工轉測器等等都進入最後研發階段正在做測試驗證的工作那因為我們的補助要點這個經費的撥付當初我們同仁相對保守所以所列的這個撥款條件都非常嚴苛變成是研發機構自己電經費在做這些檢測驗證的工作 |
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﹏並不是這些經費撥不出去﹏我們說他要測試通過才能夠停到我的經費﹏但是測試過程中光一個轉向架的測試經費達3000萬﹏所以這個我想懇請委員支持這個確實都會發生而且這6個案子我剛剛跟召委報告也就是說我們都不是在做那一種苔皮外骨的工作 |
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最終的成果是希望這些團隊就是國內軌道系統的解決方案的團隊因為他做了一個集電工做了一個車門之後並不是這個門就能夠賣給各個車型啊我們以前的問題都在於說我們沒有人可以去改變這一些設計或者是方向OK啦是那這樣好不好就是再補助這個向下了好不好這個向下其他你業務費很忙嘛沒有意見啦就這個4億 |
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一千多萬我們3.1千萬好不好就是希望說你們執行力可以整個跟上嘛就如同你說如果他就願收不合格你不用付錢嘛我覺得也有可能也有可能願不過了好不好根本不用錢三、五百萬OK啦三、五百萬凍結10%請你詳細提供書面說明好不好好各位有沒有意見 |
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好沒意見我再朗讀一下針對於1到18案業務費用整體來說我們不要整體啦就是針對於這個哪個項架就針對於業務費用匯費捐助補助分攤救助與交流活動費然後項架的捐助補助獎助 |
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二、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查 |
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十九萬不是屏東的嗎?我是屏東人,但是就事論事。現在案子定了沒有?因為有一個高雄跟屏東的這個案子。因為我這個當然是一定要支持啦。但是現在編會不會太早? |
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徐富奎委員 |
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謝謝主席那我想我們林國琛委員也是來自屏東我相信他一定會支持屏東的重大交通建設那所以這個案子我想這個上個禮拜六我們行政院長也正式核定了我們這個高雄方案那這個屏東的鄉親都很期待我們高鐵能夠盡快完成規劃 |
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一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
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這個部分因為尤其這個案子跟我們的這個一個高鐵的一個方案並不一樣這是屬於一個屏東車站的一個特定區的一個區段徵收的一個計畫那我想我們也希望鐵道局能夠同步來進行把這個相關的徵收的期程跟開發的一個期程能夠加快來辦理所以我想是不是提議來凍結10%然後提出書面報告之後再來解凍我們盡快來加速這個案子的推動 |
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謝謝徐委員這個是存錢的概念是吧?因為長城計畫明年先存33億是不是這種概念?你說明一下跟林國成委員還有徐國文報告高鐵屏東車站特定區計畫不是高鐵延伸屏東建設計畫這是另外一個計畫當初這個計畫抱怨核定就是這個期程按照這個期程再去做後續的進行 |
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13446.247 |
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13470.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
當然這裡面涉及到區段徵收的一些補償費可能我們還要再去努力就是說在現在的情況底下我們還要再做一些確認到底是不是明年有辦法來做執行但是這個因為其實代表了極高度的一個政府對於這個屏東案的這個政策上面的這個意涵所以是啦是啦 |
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13472.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
13499.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
平東車站特定區這個真的已經現在都在做相關的開放因為它有科技部、經濟部等等是這樣好不好我想這個部分尊重我們在地立委不過就是剛剛講說不要穿就凍結的方式麻煩說明一下因為我知道就是不管從哪一線來我們的平東的站區是不變的我懂那你能不能稍微說明一下順便說明之後使得動之 |
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13503.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
13504.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
好,第20到第21案 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
13512.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
13535.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
因為你們在編譯算有時候也寫不太清楚那這個部分應該也要把它講清楚因為本席因為看不清楚以後說實在的就會產生這種認為沒有必要所以還是要把它講清楚那我同意前述30的部分用凍結的方式來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
13537.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
13554.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
鐵道局稍微說明一下簡單跟我們報告這個電纜槽其實是我們高鐵沿線的軌道旁邊我們在建設的時候就留下來了但是它留下來是一個空房子那我現在在做裝潢其實我在做一個支架做一個支架讓電纜可以放在上面我並不是在做這個電纜 |
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13556.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
13572.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
但是這個計畫已經執行到第四年我們現在到現在為止已經布好的地方有國內的相關電信業者進來使用我們的電纜槽的這個支架布他的光纖網路我們113年收到的租金就6900萬了那這個計畫我們執行到114年是最終1900多萬1900多 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
13579.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
13580.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查四、繼續審查五、繼續審查六、繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
13602.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
13621.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
好,針對於第20到21案固定資產建設改良擴充向下的一般建築及設備計畫交通及運輸設備相關預算凍結10%提供書面報告使得動之各位有沒有其他意見沒有其他意見,好,接下來處理決議案請各位翻到第22案 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
13644.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
13661.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
第二十二案鐵道局 辦理照案通過第二十三案 遵照辦理二十三案照案通過二十四案 遵照辦理二十四案照案通過二十五案 遵照辦理二十五案照案通過二十六案 遵照辦理二十六案照案通過二十七案 遵照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
13662.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
13664.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二十八案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
13689.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
13691.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
13726.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
13753.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
好,謝謝各位所有的與會夥伴我們目前協商完畢做以下宣告一、今日協商結論免於宣讀授權議事人員整理作為決議列入記錄第二、委員要求提供的書面資料及相關書面報告及相關資料請相關機關盡速以書面答覆第三、如有委員對提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
13754.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
13755.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
一、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
13760.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
13781.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
好我這邊先這個補充宣告一下因為剛剛在鐵道基金的部分第19案沒有把這個宣讀念清楚我再念一遍第19案涉及開發工程長期投資向下的高速鐵路屏東車站特定區區段徵收開發計畫凍結10%提書面報告使得動之 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
13792.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
13812.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
好,針對於本日會議做以下決議一、本日預算審查結果照列、佔照列或照協商結論通過第二、本日通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整第三、114年度運安會 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
13814.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
13831.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
交通部運援所鐵道局及所屬鐵道發展基金預算均審查完畢請問各位委員對於以上覺悟有沒有意義沒有意義我們通過現在休息禮拜四上午9點繼續開會各位新年快樂 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
13842.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13843.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
三、繼續審查二、繼續審查三、繼續審查 |