| IVOD_ID |
164288 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164288 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T11:34:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T11:40:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a319dc21e146d5010f9ba2ba11b833fe0ad77ab6ef5aede898c5eb4435e8f3c8585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:58 - 11:40:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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政院版的修法什麼時候會提出來跟委員報告我們目前下個禮拜二財政部會再邀請地方政府來開會那我們會希望在年底以前就可以把政院版提給你希望是年底以前把政院版提出來對對對我們禮拜二會再請地方政府來開會那9月13號院長也邀請了22縣市長在行政院那縣市首長們也都有提相關的意見我們就把它匯集 |
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因为我也知道说你有找地方政府来开会但目前的状况是财政部好像现在已经有一个公示了对不对 |
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這部分我們跟地方政府一直都在討論包括指標等等我知道說你現在有跟地方政府有提公示出來但是我希望說你提公示的同時也可以把試算的數字一併提出來因為目前大家好像地方政府只有看到公示指標的調整並沒有看到數字其實對地方政府來說他也很難做評估 |
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所以我覺得政院在跟地方討論的時候至少資訊公開透明讓大家詳細了解大家比較能夠做出對自己縣市比較有利的判斷我覺得這件事情要有善意啦好不好可以在下一次開會的時候把你們所訂出來的公示的數字一併提給地方政府嗎可以嗎 |
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我們下次討論的時候第一個指標之前討論過下次可能會遇到權重那權重要確認才能算得出來因為你只有指標沒有數字人家也很難討論所以你一併要把試算出來的數字提供給地方政府來討論第一件事情第二個是我聽說你現在很多指標跟我們立法院通過的版本有很大的落差 |
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好比如說像人口部分現在是從45調降到30是不是 |
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報告第一個在權重的部分我們之前也提過因為人口跟營利事業的營業額它兩者是正相關的因為那個佔了75%的比例相當高所以這一次可以看到工商發達的縣市它所獲配的金額比較高這是我們要提到那第二個部分我們這一次的調整在人口的部分會更細緻的劃分人口現在因為我們只有我在這邊沒有辦法給你詳細討論你就回答我問題就好你現在人口是降到多少 |
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人口降到多少目前我們可能還是在禮拜二會跟我聽說是30是不是你都開兩次會了你還講不出來上一次開會沒有談到權重的比例只是說人口要更細緻的話你這邊已經有公視了嘛人口是不是降到30% |
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然後土地是不是拉到30%我們會再跟地方政府再確認不是 這個是你提出來的公式我說你提出來的公式嘛你自己台政部連自己提出來公式權重多少都不知道我知道您講的是我們提出去的會議資料所以你有提出公式要地方政府來討論嘛那你如果資訊不公開人家也不知道怎麼討論嘛沒有啊 我們在會議資料有附啊沒有不公開你現在人口是要強到30是不是是不是啊 |
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因為我也沒有記那麼清楚 |
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我們會後是不是提供我們會議資料也有付沒關係部長我請你把所有的詳細資料包括我剛剛講的試算書提供給地方政府因為我們要來看一下到底對各件事是有利還是算出來狀況是怎麼樣然後還有一個就是部長你有提到說你們修法版本裡面你認為營業稅的權重太高這是指水平分配還是垂直分配 |
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我們是在講盈利事業營業額它的權重它佔了應該是百分之三十是水平分配的部分所以營業額的權重這塊也會做調整 |
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因為我希望說加快你們政院版本提出來的速度那如果這樣以現在的做法的話我覺得大家會吵很久啦好不好盡快完整數字提供給地方政府大家來討論那我有看到院長講說什麼政院版出來之後會先去跟民進黨黨團討論 |
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258.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
277.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
我也是覺得非常奇怪啦行政院不是版本應該應該要跟大家討論嘛為什麼是跟民進黨黨團討論什麼時候民進黨黨團變成行政院的什麼時候我就覺得超奇怪的然後剩一點時間問一下您今天早上有提到說普發現金最快是11月上旬就可以發是不是 |
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278.864 |
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306.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
是的那為什麼上次我問卓鴻泰院長的時候他說最快是11月中你們後來是有發現民意的壓力是不是不是終於覺得要快了是不是不是那為什麼第一時間都是在講要很久現在才發現說要快一點不是 我跟委員說明因為第一個很確定的是明天欸 不對明天嘛 明天會三讀通過那我相信立法是確定會三讀通過嘛那這個是確定的我們才能往下推時間那接下來就是會很快的送給總統 |
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307.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
322.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
來公告那我們這個部分就會當天公告當天就會來開記者會議我上次問左院長也是講說以明天三讀通過當作一個前提到底什麼時候會發他說最快是11月中部長你說11月上旬所以你的速度比院長講的還快你不要接地氣我們加快腳步來做準備謝謝謝謝葉委員 |
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331.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
342.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
接下來我們請何新淳委員何新淳委員何新淳委員不在場下一位邱志維委員邱志維委員 |