| IVOD_ID |
16425 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16425 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-35,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-26T10:00:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-26T12:19:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:18:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2dc7e719fa4ce89b4f3fae710ea3aec1ca6d1319bf84c9168213b7edb4d8ffe1aa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-26T10:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「駐德國台北代表處與德國在台協會刑事司法互助協議」案。二、審查行政院函請審議「中華民國（臺灣）政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約」案。三、審查行政院函請審議「中華民國（臺灣）政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:00:02 - 12:19:00 |
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報告聯席會初期委員16人以主法定人數 |
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司法互助條約案。宣讀完畢。 |
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1863.75 |
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我們在介紹在場委員跟官員之前本席再次宣告因為今天我們外交國防委員會是兩段會議所以容我比較囉嗦一點把它講清楚來第一個我們第二段有關這三個國家的條約案我們發言登記截止到11點我們以往慣例是到10點半我們今天發言登記到11點那如果有臨時提案 |
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請在11點前提出,我們在11點半左右試尋答情形會進行處理。因為今天是跟司法法制聯席審查,我們時間會縮短,本聯席會的委員4加2分鐘,非聯席會的委員4分鐘做這個宣告。另外,我們剛才在第一段會議就已經預告了,再宣告一次。 |
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林佳龍部長今天列席會議但是因為下午1點半以後有公務那已經在昨天提出請假按照召委職權給予準價所以林佳龍部長會列席到1點30分那1點30分之後改由政務次長吳志忠代表列席再次宣告我們先介紹在場委員羅美玲委員 |
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1975.207 |
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網易川委員我們今天列席的官員有外交部長林佳龍、亞東太平洋司司長藍夏禮、亞非司司長賀忠義、歐洲司司長黃軍耀、拉美及加勒比海司司長鄭麗成、 |
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1978.325 |
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2002.397 |
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北美司副司長焦國祐,王司長梁玉,另有藥工,所以代理。不過這個以後事前要先給我加單,這個我們有提醒過,事前一個個人加單,原則上我們會尊重公務,但不要臨時看到出席表才知道。來,條法司的副司長許博義,你們司長今天 |
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2003.998 |
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國際組織司司長孫簡元 |
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2018.184 |
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2022.469 |
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國際合作及經濟事務司副司長林美辰國傳司司長徐永梅 |
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2042.421 |
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2043.582 |
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人事處副處長吳迪文,黃麗玲處長請假,公眾外交協調會副執行長蕭光偉, |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2070.784 |
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2095.664 |
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領事事務局局長何承環其他部會列席的官員法務部政務司長黃士傑國際級兩岸法律司司長孟玉梅司法院刑事廳法官黃湘瑩內政部警政署副署長李正曉 |
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2098.618 |
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刑事警察局副局長林信雄、國際組組長林妙玲、法務部調查局國際事務處處長馬忠亮。以上是列席的官員。 |
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2121.062 |
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2128.587 |
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審查剛才已經宣讀名稱的三項條約案。首先請外交部林佳雯部長就三項條約案進行報告。來部長請。主席、各位委員先進、各位女士先生大家好。以下請就 |
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2144.02 |
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2169.493 |
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臺德刑事司法互助協議、臺土刑事司法互助條約以及臺陸刑事司法互助條約來提出報告,進行各位委員會議指教。」那麼首先說明一下簽署的背景跟過程那在臺德刑事司法互助協議部分呢臺德同樣是民主法治的國家那雙方在各領域均有密切交流跟合作 |
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在102年之間簽署了《臺德移交受刑人及合作執行刑法協議》之後,迄今已將數名在臺服刑的德籍受刑人陸續移交反德服刑。近年來因跨國犯罪日增,雙方均體認到唯有司法機關之間透過司法互助,使能兼顧打擊跨境犯罪及保障人權。 |
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2221.337 |
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乃至106年間其推動洽簽本案,其間不為全球疫情的限制、國際局勢變動的挑戰,仍持續積極溝通協商,終究條約內容獲至共識,並於112年3月23日在本部田中光次長及法務部蔡前部長 |
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2222.912 |
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2243.093 |
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建政之下由駐德國代表處的謝大使自委以及德國在台協會許處長宥格來共同簽署。雙方未來在跨境犯罪案件的調查取證程序上將互相提供更多的協助以確保程序更加完備。那麼在《台土刑事司法互助條約》方面 |
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2264.184 |
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我國與吐瓦魯國之間的邦誼賭幕。今年普歡慶建交45週年,賴清德總統在本月出訪吐瓦魯國時,與吐國的總理戴斐麗簽署了《深化全面夥伴關係聯合公報》,開啟兩國合作的新篇章。 |
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2265.044 |
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2282.578 |
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為增進我國與吐瓦魯國之間的司法合作,兩國在111年間完成簽署海巡警政合作協定之後,互積極推動司法機關之間締結刑事司法互助條約,經過磋商以及交換修正意見之後,在112年之間達成了條約草案的共識。 |
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2288.522 |
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2306.91 |
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並於同年6月2日由法務部蔡清祥前部長與土國司法通訊暨外交部長柯菲共同簽署,將司法合作層級提升至雙方中央主管機關間的直接聯繫,增進刑事偵查效率及實益,更將兩國關心向前推進。 |
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第三、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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刑事司法互助條約刑事司法互助條約刑事司法互助條約刑事司法互助條約刑事司法互助條約刑事司法互助條約刑事司法互助條約刑事 |
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2354.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2374.519 |
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蔡清祥前部長與陸國外交、國際貿易、民航暨僑務部長包提斯分別在同年的8月16日、10月26日完成異地簽署以彰顯我國與友邦攜手共同打擊跨境犯罪貢獻心力的具體成果。那麼條約的主要內容敬請參考書面的報告。 |
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2377.481 |
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2399.899 |
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有關簽署的效益,我國與德國、吐瓦魯國跟聖露西亞同為追求民主、自由、法治的理念相近國家。吐瓦魯國跟聖露西亞更是我國的忠實友邦。上述三約生效之後,將使我國與德國、吐瓦魯國及聖露西亞在刑事司法互助領域之各項合作有明確執法源依據。 |
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2401.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2427.773 |
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徹以擴大及深化雙方的合作範圍,降低以往跨境取證的困難度,縮減人力及時間成本,提升犯罪偵查效率及審判定罪率,展現我國對於打擊跨境犯罪,捍衛司法主權的堅定信念及豐碩的成果,對於拓展雙邊各領域合作關係及鞏固邦誼,均有極為正面的效益。我國迄今已與美國、菲律賓、南非、波蘭、諾魯、 |
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2429.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2454.633 |
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貝里斯、斯洛伐克、聖文森及格雷納丁以及帛琉等國簽署的刑事司法互助條約或協定,未來仍將持續規劃與友邦、新南向政策國家以及其他理念相近國家洽商司法互助相關條約協定以落實打擊跨國犯罪並兼顧人權的保障。以上報告敬請各位委員不吝指教。謝謝大家。 |
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好,謝謝部長,部長請回接下來請法務部黃政務次長就三項條約案進行報告主席、各位委員、各位女士先生、各位媒體朋友大家早安今天很榮幸奉邀列席外交及國防、司法及法制委員會聯席會議就行政院函請審議臺德刑事司法互助協議 |
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及臺土司法互助條約及臺陸刑事司法互助條約案提出報告並被質詢。以下簡要說明各條約的內容跟相關的效益。臺德刑事司法互助協議為我國與歐洲國家間簽署之第三個 |
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刑事司法互助協定。本協議自106年起推動洽簽,經過相當多的努力,終於在112年的3月23日洽簽完成,誠如林部長所述。也是我們在106年雙方簽署移交受刑人及合作執行刑法協議之後,又一個重大的進展。 |
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對於深化臺德之間的學術跟實務的合作有相當大的意義。這個協務司法互助的項目相當多,請參閱書面。其中最重要的幾個亮點的突破,包括雙方可以依各自的法律就個案來成立聯合偵查團隊,派遣到對方的境內來聯合進行偵查。 |
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並且也可以視訊的詢問以及用科技的方法來做偵查的接軌。在有關個人資料處理的保護上也與歐盟的規定接軌將有助於我國進一步開展與歐盟其他各國之間的刑事司法互助跟犯罪偵查合作的約定對於國人與歐盟各國之間往來的權益保障會更加的完善。 |
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所以本部將會持續拓展深化與德國跟歐洲各國在司法互助與受刑移交、引渡等等領域的全面的司法合作關係來打擊犯罪保障國人的安全。第二項是臺土司法互助條約。吐瓦魯是我國在大洋洲的邦交國與我國向來友好,也是我們邦誼最久的邦交國。 |
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兩國在111年9月簽署警政合作協定後,為求進一步強化司法領域的合作,積極感謝外交部與本部同仁的努力,積極與吐瓦魯洽簽本次司法互助條約。 |
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司法互助的項目跟特色也請參閱書面。當然,在本條約生效之後,雙方的司法主管機關,就我國的法務部跟吐瓦魯國檢察總長的辦公室,就可以不用再透過外交途徑,可以直接聯繫來執行本條約,會大幅提高司法合作的效率。 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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以及跟世界各國並肩打擊犯罪的堅強決心。第三、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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這次條約如果生效的話同樣也是可以未來司法互助的中央主管機關就我國的法務部跟聖露西亞的檢查總署可以不用再迂迴透過外交途徑就可以直接聯繫來傳遞司法互助的請求案那麼也可以擇期舉行諮商會議增進司法互助的項目那麼雙方未來在互助的項目上可以透過私訊的詢問 |
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等科技方法以及跨國共同偵查犯罪,大幅縮減跨境取證耗費的勞力、時間和費用,來達成共同打擊跨境犯罪提升定罪率的目的。」 |
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由於聖露西亞地處加勒比海地區與美國以及中南美洲各國鄰近且互動頻繁,我國國人在美國及中南美洲投資、經商、定居求學工作者眾,所以此條約生效後,也有助於強化我國更加深入北洲國家區域的司法合作強度與密度。 |
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本條約作為我國與交流平台友邦簽署的第二個司法互助條約,深具既往開來之意義,也為我國與友邦間司法合作模式紮根,朝持續拓展、深化與各邦交國在司法互助授權移交、引渡等領域的司法合作關係來邁進, |
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這三個條約在各該對方國家的內部、內國程序都已完備所以我們今天說我們大願審議完成生效之後這些條約在我們通知各該國家之後就會立刻來生效所以懇請各位委員大力來支持讓我們的司法互助可以往前邁進謝謝大家謝謝謝謝黃士傑次長 |
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那其他機關的報告我們就請同仁們參閱書面資料我們就不再上台報告了那接下來開始進行詢答本聯席會委員4加2分鐘非聯席會委員4分鐘我們剛已經宣告11點發言登記截止那再次提醒若有臨時提案請在11點前提出11點半左右本席會試會議狀況來進行處理首先請羅美玲委員上台進行詢答 |
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謝謝主席,有請外交部林佳龍部長,還有法務部黃士傑次長。 |
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兩位早安台灣確實跟德國還有吐瓦魯跟聖露西亞的這個刑事司法互助協議如果通過的話呢在我國的這個司法互助上其實就有很大的這個進展跟這個突破那最近的本席有發現就是說荷蘭的眾議院通過了一項友台動議那建議荷蘭政府參考德國的模式也意跟台灣簽署這個刑事司法互助的這個協定並指出 |
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臺德合作經驗在打擊洗錢、網路犯罪等跨國犯罪領域可以發揮關鍵的作用。」所以我想先請教我們林部長那針對這個荷蘭眾議院的這個動議我們是否已經展開相關的合作的推動因為荷蘭主動提出那我方是不是應該積極來做這個接觸請問這個部分呢我們有沒有進一步的進展好 總委員報告 |
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在荷蘭眾議院通過這一個動議之後本部就有協助法務部就此來指派專人擔任跟荷方對接的承辦窗口相關資訊也已經通知了駐荷蘭代表處該處也已經跟荷方展開溝通這個模式我們認為很值得來推廣就台德的這個協議進一步再跟歐洲其他我們尤其是這些 |
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民主法治的國家能夠比照來推動。請問次長有沒有要補充的部分呢? |
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謝謝委員觀詢跟詮詢在外交部的協助底下我們也積極回應目前本部的國際及兩岸法律司已經指定跟荷蘭方聯繫窗口所以目前我們會積極的跟外交部一起來洽談我們也希望用最快的速度來促成這個事情的完成 |
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OK好謝謝次長那我先請外交部先回座那下一個我想要請教的就是說我們法務部那臺灣在這個司法互助方面我們運作基本上是非常的這個穩定可是隨著這個跨國犯罪的案件量的熱議的增長那我們現行的逐案請求模式在程序上面它是比較繁瑣的 |
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在加三跟合作國家之間可能我們有一些法律體系上面的差異導致在處理資產凍結或是跨國證據調取像這些案件的時候呢效率其實基本上會受到一些限制那像歐盟的這個相互承認原則是一個很值得我們去參考的一個範例那它的關鍵在於就是說成員國之間直接承認彼此的這個司法決定 |
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函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。二、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞 |
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司法互助協議案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議（臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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司法協會函請審議 |
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當然如果你說全面就像市長剛才所講的可能有很多的這個每個國家他的這個機制並不一樣你要達到一個協同的話可能有一些困難度可是我們可以從比如說我剛才所提到的高需求的領域來先做著手我想這個部分的話應該是有可行的空間 |
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我們都會在跟各個國家在研修、討論簽訂這個司法互助協定的時候都會把剛剛提到的這些委員所指出的非常重要的這些領域納入譬如說我們今天審議的這個臺德司法互助協議裡面我們的第6條就有規定包含這個取得人之共數、收入擴大還有剛剛委員提到的資產凍結跟執行這些部分這個跟犯罪有關的沒收或是追徵以及資產共享 |
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這部分我們其實都有把它放到這個協定裡面那即使目前還未洽簽協定那我們依據這個各國依照互惠的原則來提出司法互助請求的時候在歐洲的部分事實上目前這個互動的情形也相當的良好所以我們會持續的努力累積這個個案的經驗之後王委員所提出的這個方向來努力 |
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OK好謝謝市長所以我最後還是要呼籲我們行政部門我們先從現在現有的這個合作基礎來做出發加速推動司法互助的這個升級那在法規的調整跟信任基礎上面能投入更多的資源來讓臺灣在國際舞台上面有更大的這個發揮的這個影響力OK好以上謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝羅美玲委員各位請回接下來進行巡大委員林楚英委員 |
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謝主席 主席先請外交部林部長來 部長請 |
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部長長,進入今天的條約簽訂的主題之前,我想要先請問您,我們上個星期五因為這個財政收支劃分法已經重新的來做翻修,那麼我們知道3700億對於整體的中央政府總預算來講大概就是28%的中央政府的可以運用的經費現在必須要依照新法如果總統公告之後,那麼可能會影響到的是中央政府的各個部會 |
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那麼昨天陸續其實包括像國防部這邊也出估了大概就是有800億的部分那麼包括經濟部啦衛福部都有不知道外交部這邊有沒有來盤點那麼我們知道外交工作有很多的部分其實都是在海外其實不論是我們外交鞏固邦誼或者是拓展我們新的外交關係都是需要的那麼部長有沒有盤點過對於整個外交部的影響是什麼 |
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跟委員報告外交部有盤點因為外交部主管相關114年度的預算案在稅出編列是319億如果按照這一個三減就扣除掉法律義務支出84億有其他的235億將受到影響因為這樣一比例三減如果是28%的話就是65億 |
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這個會明顯很直接的衝擊到我們外交工作,特別是在國際組織、交流還有跟友邦的合作計畫。這個都是,尤其是包括我們駐外管處的一些運作當然也都會連帶受到影響。好,那麼我們看到的是最新的財政委員會,下個禮拜開會的時候,他們的召委陳玉珍就已經要求要重新來編訂跟評估,部長怎麼看? |
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因為其實這個關鍵在做財劃法的修改跟配套因為它的這個支出跟收入還有相關的一個需要 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議（臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議 |
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三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事 |
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那麼信友的福利之外其實國家不論是外交或國防相對的重要在這個部分的影響性我建議部長也必須把它具體化的落實讓民眾知道因為不論國防或外交其實是守護國家非常重要的第一道防線所以在這裡也提醒部長 |
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因為預期心理,因為這個預算的不確定性,我們很多規劃或很多的要洽商的事情就沒辦法展開,因為公務員是依法行政的,所以這個即使是延後去重新編列,那一拖半年,那我們的政務會受到很大的影響。 |
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尤其是很多外交工作其實不能等,我們不能跟我們的友邦說,抱歉,你等等一下,我們預算沒有下來,那麼我們到底要怎麼樣處理。所以在這裡,其實對於外交業務的衝擊的部分,外交部也有這個責任,必須要讓全國民眾知道。好,那麼我回到,我們,來下一頁。 |
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有關於今天我們講到的是三跟三個友邦所簽訂的司法互助的協定那我們都知道其實對於民眾來講公開政府的資訊公開對於民眾相對是非常重要的部長您知道我們現在有多少友邦來簽訂協定嗎我們就是有六個友邦然後有六個不是我們的邦交國好來我要請這個黃政次主席來 |
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本席在法務部上面的網站目前看到的司法互助跟協定是看到20筆可是在外交部的條約協定的資料庫看到的卻是23筆我想就叫兩位到底誰的哪一邊的資料是正確的好來部長 |
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因為我們現在是講一些刑事互助方面我剛提到那當然有一些民事還有其他的包括一些合作的一個項目所以說外交部是因為又涵蓋了其他的一些民事上面的部分嗎來,市長因為那個我們跟幾個國家包括越南在內我們另外簽的是民事的司法互助協定 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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法務部的網頁沒有錯但是如果跟民事有關會通通涵蓋在外交部這裡但是這個其實會讓民眾會有一些產生一些confuse包括本席在了解的時候就會覺得說怎麼會一個是20筆一個是23筆那麼我認為讓民眾來查詢也了解自己的權利是蠻重要的在這個部分建議用一個更有效的方式來公開讓民眾來了解 |
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那我們回去之後研議一下看是不是要跟外交部來投布當然這個事涉這個權管所以我們還是要跟這個外交部來討論一下也許全部都由外交部來公布或是怎麼樣那我覺得這個其實是可以好好來研議最後一點點時間我要問的就是剛剛有講到台核那麼本席因為是台法的國會聯誼會的會長法國這裡其實也在關心司法互助的進度那麼不知道現在台法之間的司法互助有沒有什麼新的進度 |
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跟委員報告因為法方目前在積極跟我們洽談受刑人移交相關的協議因為雙方從107年開始討論到現在還有一些關鍵的問題還在洽談當中因為現在法方比較積極所以我們也會跟外交部這邊協同用最快的速度積極來辦理相關的事務 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
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審議案。 |
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部長早部長我們在今天主要是外交部報告有三個跟國外政府簽訂的條約協議那其中一項是中華民國臺灣政府跟聖露西亞政府刑事司法 |
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政府互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。六、審查行政院函請審議．臺灣．政府互助條約案。 |
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涉嫌進行販毒,所以遭美方的司法部門逮捕。」那這個案子有結果了嗎?這個案子就是美方在偵辦中。可是他有認罪了。對。對,他有認罪了。那剛剛我們在從辦公室過來之前,我們還是看到聖露西亞的那個官方網站上面還放著就是我們派的這一位外交 |
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司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。六、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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進行當中,我們是不是今天在簽這個報告的內容跟聖露西亞是不是我們應該讓他們很清楚的知道,這個應該不要放在網站上了。 |
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當然聖露西亞方面都了解我們有跟他保持聯繫我請我同仁來說明一下為什麼沒有在他上面呈現首先先跟委員報告這個案子從案發一開始我們就透過駐外管處我們聖露西亞大使館已經跟聖露政府已經保持密切的聯繫但是之前案情在進行當中所以聖露西亞完全知情那相關的進展我們也有跟聖露西亞保持雙向的溝通 |
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報告委員 報告委員 |
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聖露西亞大使館和聖國政府有保持密切聯繫有部分要跟委員澄清的是我們的替代藝男被領選進來去參與我們的外交替代藝男的這個業務的時候其實是經過公開領選的 |
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這個過程沒有關係聽我講完我沒有要聽你解釋前面的這一段因為也許我們不知道可是當他被美國逮捕以後我們有義務要告訴聖露西亞因為他就是我們的邦交國而且你今天拿出來的 |
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司法互助條約案。 |
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我們已經告訴聖露西亞大使館已經有告訴聖露西亞大使館在把最新的這個狀況告訴的我們最新的狀況其實昨天的公文就已經出去了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
刑事司法互助條約案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
3970.277 |
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3974.378 |
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如果我們都知道不會外交部不知道今天因為這個還我們推薦的人剛開始我們不知道那個沒話說可是他已經被美國逮捕然後他已經在司法進行當中他可能很快就會受到審判那在這個過程當中我們就應該要很明確的告訴他這個人並不是適合放在官方網站上面因為那一篇也是我們寫給他們的 |
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他們在不知情的情況之下他們也放在上面我們是去教人家的警察做這些事所以很負責任的去告訴聖露西亞不然你今天這個非常的諷刺今天我們提出來要審這個 |
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司法互助是非常諷刺的因為我們沒有好好的去告知人家這個部分我們希望馬上就看到結果因為我來之前還在網站上面還看到這個是第一個接下來我們希望馬上可以處理喔因為你禮拜五才發信而已部長這個再請您可以去詳細的了解一下不然我覺得我們今天審這個真的是沒有意義那第二個我想要請教的是 |
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部長我們一般外交豁免權大概指豁免什麼?就是在雙邊的條件之下?當然除了對於像當然是稅的問題啦、車牌啦還有其他我想豁免就是以外交管轄權的有一些涉及的司法等等 |
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這個部分因為可能沒有辦法很完整的說明清楚那是不是就外交部在非邦交國的這個駐外管人員我們想要知道的是哪些國家是具有完整的外交豁免權哪一些國家是只有部分的豁免權或者哪一些國家是完全沒有的是不是請外交部可以提供相關的資料給本席 |
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4089.881 |
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4093.505 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約。三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約。 |
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我們大概要知道說有哪些啦不好意思主席借一點點時間因為我們在預算審查的時候也有提到因為我們也覺得這個非常重要就是我們中東的三個國家 |
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是有正式派駐代表在我們這裡,雖然是屬於經貿類的,可是雙方也非常長的時間,甚至不管是在軍事或者公共安全,甚至教育交流的部分,其實都維持很長的時間,像約旦,而且我們有很多如果要學阿語的部分,其實也都是送到約旦去那裡受訓的,包括我們的軍方人員。 |
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所以在這裡我們要看到就是說我想要請教之前因為商會的部分目前的處理結果怎麼樣我們除了就是 |
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對外交特權的保障：立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會 |
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因為這三個不太一樣,那我們也都有在做,其實都把它當作是,就是駐台的這個有嘛,有嘛,有跟警察單位講了,可是他們可能沒有接到警察單位約談的時候,我們第一時間就有,就有出面可是你要讓,對,應該要讓他們知道要持續跟三個駐台的單位保持聯絡關懷他們 |
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現在我們特別再提出來是因為他們完全沒有接到相關的訊息所以我們在雙方雙邊的這樣子的交流互動上面可能有一些問題應該是有啦因為我有責成我們同仁要跟他們保持聯繫關懷沒有關係除了外交部的部分可能有涉及內政部或警政署我們也一定都要來關心請把書面資料提供給本席就是我們有通知我們的作為啦關心然後協助 |
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另外還有對內的商會我們的做法是什麼因為他甚至用這樣公開的名義去募款在國內募款都已經是違法可是他用商會的名義去對外募款包括我們的邦交國這樣會造成誤導這個部分我們到底有什麼樣的做法也請提供書面資料給本席那最後我想要強調的是我想要請教就是我們現在駐約旦安曼的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
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那個代表處現在住的那個住處是怎麼來的目前有人知道嗎約旦安曼的那個那個代表處長久以來就有我們的市長對我知道是舊的那個是怎麼來的你知道嗎有人知道嗎買的租的借的對是買的租的還是什麼現在是我們的自由管社對啊那是怎麼來的 |
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是當時雙邊的政府經過這個協議約單的政府送的嘛對不對今天如果人家過去我們現在要買都花很多的錢現在都花很多的錢我們希望就這個部分我們應該怎麼樣對等的互惠尤其怎麼樣保障他們在這裡的安全跟權益我想這個是我們應該要做的好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約。三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約。四、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約。 |
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4360.8 |
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主席請外交部林部長來,部長請部長委員好辛苦啦,終於等到你啦我也是啦你也是啦12月24號外交部發了一個新聞送給國人一個很大的禮物部長記得是什麼事嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
4392.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
跟外交的記者我們辦了一個活動是你們今年有試辦一個有條件線上身外護照辦簽證護照那你們24號有宣布從明年的1月1號開始試辦擴大然後沒有上線了就沒有每日申請的上線了這個要讓國人知道 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
4470.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
那針對今天的題目啊三個國家我們簽了這個協議站在外交部的立場有沒有發現這三個國家簽了協議的名字都不一樣是 |
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當然因為有涉及到條約、協定或協議或其他的各種的名詞當然也涉及到有沒有正式的外交關係基本上效率是一致的每個國家的程序又不太一樣像我們臺德就是謝大使簽的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
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然後呢我們跟吐瓦魯跟聖露西亞是我們的法務部長簽的那我想請教一下就是說這個過程中,這個要請法務部黃執長請問一下實務上,因為我們現在簽的國家看起來很少,有簽跟沒簽的差別到底在哪裡? |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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這個分這個不同的性質,假設我們跟邦交國所簽的協議的話,譬如說我們常常在這個電視上看到這個壓解,有一些國家就詐騙了,全部帶回來了。 |
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那些國家我看起來也沒有在這個簽的名單裡頭嘛所以有簽跟沒簽到底差別在哪裡?最大的差別就是說就條約裡面所規定的司法互助項目就不需要再透過外交的途徑以及互惠原則而可以直接依照這個協定由雙邊的司法主管機關就是指定條約裡面指定的司法主管機關來提出司法互助的請求所以在執行上面會更有效率 |
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如果就有約定的項目,也會更加的確保,一定可以成功完成司法互助的工作。那這些條約的內容,我看到我們的邦交國,那兩個邦交國,就吐瓦魯跟聖露西亞這兩個邦交國,條文的內容幾乎一模一樣,所以顯然應該就是我們法務部主導的條文內容。 |
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這個其實在國際上都有這個相關的這個慣例可是我們跟德國就不一樣對對對因為他們跟他們可能有不同的這個要求因為德國跟很多國家有簽啊是是是所以我們要跟他簽我們要跟他們跟別的國家簽的所以為什麼跟每個國家簽的時候都要個別去磋商好那我請問一下我們跟我們的邦交國的這些文字是不是基本上都長一樣 |
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市長,所有條約或協定都是跟該國所協商、洽商的結果內容,所以我們跟邦交國所簽的也許大同小異,但是也是會有些微的不一樣。 |
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最後我請教一下這一個柯文哲案,裡頭有一個叫橘子的徐子瑜,現在不知道他人一對,如果他在的國家被我們法務部知道他在哪裡了,假設啦,假設知道在哪裡,我們沒有跟他簽協議,就要透過外交管道是不是,你們就沒辦法去處理是不是。 |
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我們這個部分等一下可能可以請調查局來說明就是境外的這個國人假設是有通緝的情形那我們駐外的法務秘書或是說相關的警務合作的這個狀況也都可以直接來做這個協詢但是呢如果確定找到人之後可能還是要透過司法互助的管道來做這個相關的這個下談 |
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對那所以說如果沒有跟我們有這一種互助的這一種關係的話那還是要透過外交的管道還是要透過外交所以就會拖比較長的時間程序會比較複雜 |
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就是比較間接合作的項目因為沒有協定來規定所以這個合作項目對方是否同意就要跟他們磋商那我們現階段就是說這個可能你們在進行中也不好意思透現階段我們還是會跟很多不是我們的邦交國在陸續在談這些的內容對不對那只要成果就會跟國人做報告好大家辛苦啦好謝謝各位好謝謝委員 |
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好,謝謝王一川委員,各位請回。好,接下來進行詢問委員是陳冠廷委員。你好,我們請部長。來,部長請。 |
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今天除了就條約地結案之外我可能也會就美國的最新的政情來跟你請教一下這個條約地結案剛才這個委員有提到的一些部分那不管是用協定還是不用慣例採用的一些邦交的詞彙條約、協定那是不是因為說會因為邦誼的狀況不同受中國的影響然後去做例外的使用 |
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會不會因為邦誼有狀況受中國影響,所以有些可能條約變成協定,協定變成其他的說法,這種可能性是有沒有存在的? |
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我想在邦交國方面是都以條約、協定為主至於說非邦交國不敢用協議或其他互助的什麼樣的一個方式這當然有他們國內法可能在要不要經過一個什麼樣的立法程序包括國會用的名稱包括簽署的單位 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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西班牙裔背景的犯罪者在臺灣,我們後來遣返是透過德國。」我的意思是說在條約的過程當中在審議或者是對方在外交管道在交流的時候有沒有可能藉此得知說可能這一個國家邦誼狀況有問題所以說他開始把一些用字從條約協定再往下降 |
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你們有沒有過去有這樣的經驗?這事樣是不是也可以成為一種對於邦交國開始受到影響的一個評估的一個方式? |
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我想在邦交國方面洽簽因為既然有邦交那當然沒邦交或是因為有邦交後來斷交而維持原來的這個互助的條約或協定或其他的名稱那因為當時有簽嘛這是有效那是不是要改簽因為它的效力如果沒有排除說因為沒邦交就自動失效的話那還是在有效中像諾魯就是一個例子 |
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三、審查行政院函請審議 |
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美國自己本身就要退出的話那我們應該要怎麼辦?所以臺灣要怎麼樣應對這樣子如果美國退出之後的新局?當然外面有一些報導說是不是因為這樣子WHO裡面中國的影響力會增加這值得觀察不過我想如果說美國退出另外成立一個比較國際性的衛生組織那臺灣應該是要第一個報名 |
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有聽到這樣的說法嗎?因為這個在他的這個就是trust social那個 |
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函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事 |
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因為WHO是他點名過而且他是第一任的時候也就是說要退出後來沒有完成整個程序那我們密切觀察因為我們不是WHA這個大會的這個會員國 |
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不過我們也是積極在爭取參加可是如果有其他的世界衛生組織要成立以美國為主那我們也是理念相近我們也期待我們臺灣能夠一起來推動成立跟參與 |
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三、審查行政院函請審議 |
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5031.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約。三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約。 |
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國際上面的論述的方式是不是要隨之改變?你怎麼看? |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
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我想不管是臺海或俄烏戰爭之間是互相影響那我們對裡面相近國家被侵略我們當然是會表達支持可是同樣的臺海因為這些安全的問題那當然有關臺灣的生存跟發展所以我們自己要強化這個國防也要跟美國加強合作 |
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這一個我們必須要承擔起臺灣應該承擔這個保衛自己的一個責任那當然也跟美國基於臺灣關係法我們的這一些不管安全還有各方面的合作也是要加強我想我們是更加應該為了要走向更現實主義因為他直接引用我們之前的前外長的這個文章 |
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防禦臺灣,防禦烏克蘭。」 |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
三、審查行政院函請審議 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
有請司法院 |
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那因為現在已經進行了這一些相關的這個我想說就內容部分我們就我覺得不多看了因為這個畢竟其實應該都是蠻公版的東西那因為我們現在就是要跟這些友邦也包含新南向的政策國家簽訂這一些所以我有些小細節想要問第一個就是目前來講就是我們目前這個遣送中國的這個問題就是說像之前西班牙什麼等等之類的有些國家他們會直接把人送到中國去 |
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那通常我們知道就是說當然透過一些外交手段等等之類的我會想要阻止這件事情發生那現在就是因為這個是近期之內又有一個這個相關的案件然後呢也是一樣就這個陳姓女子在這個菲律賓發生的案件也被要引渡到中國那目前我們這件事情這一類事情的處理機制大概是如何?好看? |
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韓國目前尚未作出要如何處置的最終決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
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5294.494 |
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在司法互助的請求上面因為本案在我國的檢察機關有立案但是目前尚未接到檢察機關向本部提出司法互助的請求以上狀況跟委員報告因為我現在比較擔心的就是說因為現在中國除了這一類跟詐騙有關的案件之外因為中國畢竟還是會有很多政治的理由比如說台獨22條什麼之類的 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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5336.182 |
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因為司法互助本質上它也是偵查作為的延伸所以我們基於法務行政的立場我們還是以這個檢察機關或是司法檢察機關它有這個做偵查的這個動作的請求的時候我們才會去啟動相關的機制那如果沒有的話其實是不會那所以如果說剛委員所提到的問題理論上應該比較像是這個外交部的這個權責並不是我們法務部去主動發動的部分這樣 |
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因為這邊我有放一些法務部的資料就是說這個海峽兩岸這個共同打擊犯罪司法互助協議那現在當然就是說這個我們臺灣其實是很積極向中國在通報的但是反過來講他們常常是遺讀不回他們的法治畢竟跟我們來講還是有一個很大程度的落差 |
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我現在當然擔心的是兩個,一個就是我們要求的他們不會做到,但他們自己會去做一些有的沒的在其他國家的執法。所以這兩個問題,剛剛有講,第二個我講的這個可能是外交部目前還是比較在著重的。但第一個部分就是說我們去要求,或者我們需要什麼東西,在那邊是拿不到的,那這個狀況現在也是蠻嚴峻的。 |
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這個部分細節我等一下再請司長來描述但事實上兩岸司法共打的互助協議並沒有中斷也沒有中止我們還是持續互相還是有很多的案件在做往來當然這個有點不對稱的狀況這個可能也是事實但是我還是請司長來跟我們報告一下現在狀況到底是如何 |
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我看到司法院的書面報告有問到有傳譯的需求、依相關規定、有同意。因為我們現在做這個事情,它一定會有一些視訊等等之類的,同意變得很重要。 |
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那我關於我們現在要討論的這個案件的同意我待會再問我想先比較general問的就是說我們現在選任同意相關的一些問題那我最主要是想問第二個就是我們現在有時候在翻譯的時候翻了證人的話或者說這一個法官問的問題但他有時候對於其他人講了什麼有時候並沒有辦法如實的一個掌握 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。六、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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因為我覺得這一個我們整體進展方向會影響到之後我們在簽了這些條約跟協定的時候我們畢竟開始會有視訊嘛我們會有更多其他的國家所以我們原本做得好不好一定會影響到後面這件事情 |
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是,謝謝委員的關心那像關於這個同意的部分的話目前來講的話像我們法院的話會有一些是有一些特約同意在那這些特約同意他本身必須要語言能力達到中級以上的程度那如果說有的不見得是可以達到這個部分我們還會看他說有沒有在他們那個國家連續居住滿5年的這些相關證明還有甚至有大學或獨立學院的那些語文、翻譯系等這些如果還有這個資格的話這個部分我們都會一併審認 |
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對對對那這個非常謝謝委員關係我們也是很重視這一塊如果說這邊翻譯不確實的話其實對於當事人權益其實會有很大的侵害所以我們在這個翻譯的這邊的訓練上我們這裡都有在加強那在篩選上我們都會注意他相關的資格這樣子 |
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法定人數不足 |
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譬如說他在審判前他會收到這些東西他有沒有辦法好好的閱讀這當然我們是希望說他自己有一些律師但他不一定有相關的人可以幫助他所以要怎麼樣讓他可以比較順暢的走完這一個整個司法的程序這個會影響到我們之後這個視訊相關的就是我們後面講到的我有看到這一個有視訊訊問啊U會議啊微軟teams我有看到這一些嘛所以希望能夠持續的加強原來的作為那這樣的話我們簽這個也才會有意義啦 |
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謝謝主席我們請王定宇委員謝謝主席,麻煩外交部長、法務部次長以及警政署副署長警部長、次長、署長 |
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時間有限,幾個問題就交於三位第一個,剛才外交部長提到一個案例有一位西班牙的性犯罪者在台灣那前一段時間媒體也報得很大我剛才聽到是我們是經由跟德國的合作由德國來處理這個遣送引渡的問題嗎?對我這樣理解沒有錯嗎?對那我請教三位我們今天如果跟德國的司法互助、刑事司法互助 |
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司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
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黃市長跟我們報告因為我們基本上簽的還是都是雙邊的協定當然這還是要看說因為剛我有在報告的過程中提到說其實司法互助基本上還是偵查 |
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審判的作為。所以還是要依照相關的國家有沒有提出這個請求。所以說,如果我在歐盟內部...這個是bilateral,然後用法律的架構嘛。但是我剛才聽到的是西班牙這個案例,我當然細節不了解。我的意思是說,因為歐盟是一個統合的區域,高度統合的區域。那臺灣要一國一國來簽司法互助,顯然也有一些困難,時間要花很久。 |
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那如果這個模式對打擊犯罪或保障我們受害人有所幫助的話這個模式倒不失為一個方式也許藉由特定國家已經簽署協定的雙方有個默契當然不是每個案子嘛有些比較重要的案子可以透過這樣子間接嫁接的方式來處理歐盟這塊 |
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在個案上如果德國或是我們有洽簽的國家以及有這個需求的歐盟的其他國家他們有這個意願的話我們當然就是有可能可以透過這個模式在處理但是再來是要個案上去看各個國家的意願這是一個方法但不見得每次都走得通這樣講比較對嘛那另外你剛有提到因為我們跟外國簽訂的司法互助其中跟中國的共打是其中一項嘛 |
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到今天為止,到今年為止,這個共打有沒有在執行?好,我請司長來說明目前的現狀。來,儘快。這個仍然繼續執行中。今年執行了幾個案例?因為我們跟這個大陸地區的這個司法互助的這個項目有非常的多,有包含了這個文書送達、調查取證、人身自由通報等等。在共打範圍內,第一個我的問題是,是雙項都有在執行還是單項執行? |
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函請審議 |
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警政署副處長 |
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我們簽訂這些刑事司法互助之後因為現在有一些犯罪是跨境的特別是網路的犯罪那網路的犯罪可能到一般的毀謗高到金融詐騙等等簽訂這個司法互助之後對我們警政署執行跨越國境的網路的他的IP跳接VPN的在執行上有什麼幫助 |
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當然司法互助的作用當然是比較大那另外我們警政署跟其他的國家也另外會跟這些國家警察對警察會簽訂備忘錄跟合作協定現在有一些IP他是跳來跳去的羅馬尼亞達尼都跳到臺灣來有的是詐騙 |
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有的可能是對個人的毀謗等等那有時候我們以前講進外的我們沒辦法處理我們可以理解也許在中國的比較難處理但其他國家如果有這樣的合作方案我倒建議警政署應該讓受害者知道說我好難受啊不會遇到他在國外我就一籌莫展政府還是存在政府還是會做事的所以是可以執行的對不對OK好那警政署先請回我最後請教外交部跟法務部我這邊有一個表你可以看到 |
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我們國家跟各國簽訂司法互助協定的國家在左側這邊你可以看得到那今天會增加吐瓦魯、聖露西亞等等但是我另外右邊這個表示我們國人經常訪問的前十大的國家不管是軍、商、房、旅遊或者去讀書等等很多都還是否、像日本還是否 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。六、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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跟委員報告,剛剛所提到這個國家裡面,那我們今天第二局的報告也有提到,在簽訂,當然我們會盡力,全力都去掐簽正式的這個司法互助協定,但是在協定之前,我們其實也已經跟日本、韓國都已經推動完整備忘錄的這個簽訂。所以我們如果有通緝犯,現在在日本、韓國,我們是有辦法引渡回來的嗎? |
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我們就是透過這個司法互助的請求在互惠原則底下 |
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二、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。二、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。二、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣） |
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謝謝王定義委員現在進行詢問委員吳思耀委員謝謝主席有請林佳龍部長來部長請然後士傑次長來次長 |
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好,大家辛苦。我就接著剛剛定宇、趙薇所說的,來稍後一下。同樣的來下一頁。依據國際刑事司法互助法,我們來討論今天新增的三個簽訂,來下一頁。我去整理了,現在台灣12個國家來簽訂刑事司法的互助。 |
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那我針對不同的執政時期大家簽訂的成果 |
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陳水扁總統的時候,我們那時候簽一國,應該是美國。馬英九總統的時候,我們簽訂了菲律賓跟南非兩個國家。在蔡英文總統任內,其實是6加3。從波蘭、諾魯、貝里斯、斯洛伐克、聖文森、帛琉,然後再加上今天我們這裡要完成程序的,所以是6加3。 |
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函請審議 |
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詐騙集團國際刑的偵辦。」所以就事實會說話這幾年民進黨執政我們確實非常的努力我大於肯定下一頁那剛剛順著定宇昭偉所說的他剛剛所做的表格其實跟我這一頁是相仿的 |
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就是不管是input output、國人出訪或者是來臺旅客的國別統計當中這些前幾名的國家裡頭我們確實都還有要努力積極去洽簽司法互助的國家 |
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審議。我特別又針對我們臺灣的對內外投資的主要國家以及進出口貿易的主要國家畢竟商務上的一些案件發生也非常多所以說優先爭取簽訂刑事司法互助的對象呢其實從剛剛的國人的出訪或來訪以及我們的商務的往來其實都很清楚的訂定了一個優先 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。六、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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司法及國防、司法及法制委員會提供的報告。三、審查行政院函請審議．立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會提供的報告。四、審查行政院函請審議．立法院提供的報告。 |
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我過去從文化部門去推文化外交,但是外交部絕對需要強強聯手,尤其Team Taiwan,Team Taiwan被世界看見的時候,文化就是最好的一個有效的工具。 |
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Unesco世界遺產,不管是物質或非物質的,臺灣所定加入Unesco或其相關的國際組織,為了讓臺灣的遺產也成為世界的遺產,我分別在上一屆,針對不同的文化部長,也針對不同的行政院院長,從陳建仁到卓榮泰,都say yes。」那我把進度跟您報告,下一頁。 |
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身列世界文化遺產分有形文資跟無形文資,這個大家很清楚,過去我們琢磨比較多在有形文資,事實上無形文資是現在UNESCO在世界各國推動世界文化遺產最主力的,也就是軟大於硬,而不是過去都是有形的文資。 |
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所以說呢在我的催生跟要求之下曾經一度停擺的有形文化資產的世界遺產推動會我們終於重組了我謝謝李永德部長、史哲部長到現在的李遠部長所以在這個有形文字的世界遺產推動會重啟之後我們開了兩次會我很快的跟部長報告重要的結論也就是將 |
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努力加入UNESCO或是其相關的周邊組織,要列為我國外交的重要工作。就如同我們過去WHO、WHA國際刑警組織,我們要把UNESCO教科文的力量作為重點的這個target。 |
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然後我們要建立跨部會的機制因為以前只有文化部自己很辛苦他需要外交部的助力而且不只外交部要跨部會第三個要擴大產官學研我們的學界要善用他們的力量確實透過國際的論壇我們在跟世界的有形無形的文化資產有很多的互動要給予資源舉辦活動或者是送人出去參加國際的Foreign Conference |
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第四、很具體的,我們針對深烈世界文化影響,我們訂定共同訂定了以臺灣的阿里山森林鐵路作為一個最有力的 |
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必其功於一役。」過去我們有18個世界遺產的潛力點,我們現在把它聚焦在阿里山領帖。所以我,我知道您非常忙,我跟您報告,所以這是我們重點的部分在世界文化遺產的委員會跨部會組成產官學研的第一個大的結論。好,下一頁,下一頁。非物質,我也非常感謝,在我要求之後,中央文化部主責針對非物質文化遺產也組成了推動會。 |
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剛剛講的阿里山靈鐵那個是有形文化遺產現在無形文化遺產也跟您報告我們優先去參與ICTM就是國際傳統音樂學會讓臺灣的音樂可以打頭風第二個一樣要建立跨部會以及地方政府的溝通平台第三個優先推動的項目是無形文化遺產的紙紮跟塞夏族的矮靈祭 |
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第四、飲食文化會是臺灣邁向世界文化遺產很有利的一個有賣點的潛力項目。我今天用這個時間我跟您報告下一頁,就是我努力到現在,跨部會集合了、集結了 |
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文化部繼續再推需要外交部強強聯手還有跨部會跟地方政府我借用這個寶貴的時間拋出來下個會期或在審預算我都會努力的就交於您OK嗎 |
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刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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司法及國防部負責觀光,現在到外交部,剛好可以把委員關心的一起串聯起來。所以您是key person,我需要有具體的進度,未來再做探討。好,謝謝主席。歡迎下個會期來我們委員會,歡迎。好,謝謝主席的邀請,謝謝。來,下一個進行訓導委員,徐巧欣委員。 |
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謝謝主席,我們有請林佳龍部長。 |
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部長好這次簽訂德國跟吐瓦魯、聖露西亞三國的司法互助條約本席認為是非常好的一個方向簽訂越多的司法互助條約對於未來不管是打詐、人口販運或者是人在國外但是對台灣的民眾進行詐騙而找不到人的這種詐騙整體集團的情形能夠獲得改善的話對國人無疑是一大助力 |
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對我國的司法體系、典調單位來說有很大的幫助。」但是我要特別問的事情是喔,部長,就您的掌握呢,在臺灣喔,就說在臺灣我們受到國外的這個詐騙,就是說有的是臺灣人在國外然後呢回來詐騙,然後有的是外國人在國外詐騙,這個最多的是在哪一個區域?部長,東南亞 |
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6564.369 |
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6566.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
6584.929 |
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6599.108 |
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因為柬埔寨是放在越南我們俠館嘛我請我們亞太司來說明說明一下柬埔寨的部分因為大家都很關心先前很多人他們被騙工作然後到柬埔寨去有的是知道自己要去做詐騙集團但是呢無論如何 |
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6601.792 |
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6602.652 |
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司法及法制委員會函請審議。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
6619.228 |
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6644.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
報告委員因為柬埔寨我們並沒有任何的代表處跟辦事處所以我們是由在越南的駐胡志明辦事處來監俠那我們那邊也有法務部派遣的人員駐外所以只要碰到這一類的情況都是由外交部跟法務部協同然後當地也有一些台商那麼透過各種不同的管道想辦法去營救我們受到詐騙 |
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現在目前的情況是這樣,除了越南之外,也跟部長報告一下,泰國也有在協助這些柬埔寨的這個國人,泰國跟越南都有,可是幾乎都是請我們的台商幫忙。所以就是說除了台商之外,我覺得呢,我們現在在越南有嘛,在泰國也有嘛,那我們應該要更積極的針對柬埔寨的部分,因為這個在柬埔寨來說的話呢,我們可以看到非常多的新聞,那都是這個,我們其實陸委會也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
6673.928 |
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| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
呼籲要合作來調查跟中國大陸這邊來調查柬埔寨的這個情況然後包含柬埔寨的這個人口販運鏈那臺灣的公權力是沒有辦法去企及的這部分我也希望外交部能夠多加重視因為這個事關我國國人的人權 |
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6691.565 |
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6713.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
不管他今天是去大陸,他今天是選元普賽他要做什麼,他是被騙還是他其實自己知道但他被箝制人身自由甚至遭到凌虐的事情我都希望外交部這邊能夠更積極的做處置好,那最後我要特別提醒一件事情就是部長,外交部的網頁一般來說它的維護資訊跟更新頻率為何?您大概知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
6715.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
6716.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
6736.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
6755.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
那我們點進去看這個外交部的駐臺使館裡面呢巴拉圭的網站看起來像是設計得很好的樣子但是呢從我們的外交部的官網提供的吐瓦魯駐中華民國大使館的官網您知道嗎變成賭博網站來我們看一下 |
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6771.753 |
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好,這個他是可以播放的嗎?你直接點好了,點給大家看一下。我們駐台使館,然後因為今天討論到吐瓦魯嘛,所以我在這個吐瓦魯我們這個之前我就先去看了一下他們的網址,我們從外交部上面會發生什麼事情。 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
6773.374 |
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6774.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
刑事司法互助條約案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
6791.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
6795.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
6812.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
6823.961 |
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我們部長可不可以回答一下我剛剛是現場操作給你看已經不是截圖了我們剛剛是現場操作給你看我們外交部的網站連到吐瓦魯的官方網站說是吐瓦魯國的大使館連進去之後是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
6828.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
6843.608 |
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我們來查明你不用查明了我剛剛查明給你看了你要告訴我你要如何處置好不好因為剛剛要查明的部分來我們再操作一次我再查明一次給你看來再貼一次那個網址我們現在查明查明是這樣查明的就是先到外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
二、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
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6872.66 |
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我的意思是說如果我們今天要跟人家去簽這個條約的話是不是我們外交部要優先來處理一下我們的這個使館已經變成這樣的情形好不好這個沒有什麼好說的啦就也不用特別回他們的使館啦但我們也是要幫忙不是啦因為我們這個互助都簽了嘛那你這樣子變成說這是博弈網站那我們第一件事情就來處理這個嘛這個查處結果趕快回覆 |
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6890.854 |
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6899.556 |
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對,你連這都沒處理好,那我很難相信說這一份條約有什麼效好,謝謝部長,謝謝好,謝謝委員提醒我們來查明之後來處理啦你們要先確認那個連結有沒有問題那如果沒有問題是幫官方網站出了問題那儘速回覆本委員會,謝謝 |
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回覆先給那個諮詢委員好,接下來進行詢答委員翁曉琳委員翁曉琳委員翁曉琳委員不在陳俊宇委員陳俊宇委員陳俊宇委員不在鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在莊瑞雄委員莊瑞雄委員不在林益君委員請詢答 |
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6942.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
6943.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
謝謝主席有請部長部長你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
6960.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
6975.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
那請問首先我想請問你就是說你知道103年5月的時候馬英九總統的時代因為民進黨立委反應針對駐外外交領事人員的任用條例第三條的條文規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
6975.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
6994.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
除了駐外機構、館長外資源額和技術都不能超過15%,後來有修法調降至10%,而蔡英文執政的時候卻在106年12月修法重新恢復到不得超過15%。雖然外交部有這樣任用的條例規定辦理, |
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6995.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
7012.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
租外機構館長外員額合計其實都並沒有超過法定上限。有關外交部圖例安插自己人的用財標準,向駐法代表的大使 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
7013.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
7030.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
在經歷中都沒有外交或國際事務相關,還有現任駐美國公使銜副代表,同樣也沒有外交歷練和幕僚的經歷。而且,還像現在的駐德的代表謝智偉,還有現任的駐日代表李義祥, |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
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7043.13 |
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這些都沒有受過外交公務的培訓的訓練,那請問部長這些都是好人選嗎?還有外交部任用政務官是用什麼標準和原則?而且還有現在最近的荷蘭代表處主任調回禮賓師擔任師長,這個職位選缺,而且葡萄牙、西班牙還有我國駐外的單位的主管職現在也在空缺,那請問部長為什麼到現在還欲缺不補? |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
7058.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7059.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議 |
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7081.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7102.615 |
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就是管處的這些大使或代表是就是來自於多元的社會的一個背景特別是有一些專業我想這個對總和外交對臺灣要走出去除了傳統的外交關係以外我們也是要結合所有包括我們的經濟、文化各種國力 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
7104.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7104.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
三、審查行政院函請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
7124.24 |
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7150.114 |
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更大的一個權限但是待會台灣有這樣一個比例的規定讓我們的外交系統可以多元化的去找但是我先還是想要請教部長一下就是像葡萄牙、西班牙這些到現在還在空缺而且現在外交同仁其實他們都是很認真堅持本分從基層開始為國家開始拚外交那是不是部長在用人方面為財適用是不是要有讓一些專業的為主的來調動這些任職的考量呢 |
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7167.003 |
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對,像委員講的,這幾個地方都在作業中,會,應該最近期阿,就會...那有沒有確定人選呢?那部長可以公布一下嗎?有些在作業中了,嘿。是還沒有嗎?因為這個是已經太久了啦。有內定啦。有內定喔?嘿。是部長內定的嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7172.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7198.237 |
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當然這個要跟總統報告也要經過行政院的程序。好,因為我是希望說不要老是都是用單純任用這些政黨就是的智庫人員啦,還是希望讓那些專業的外交人員可以補足這個規則。有啦,像委員吼,我們這些司處長很優秀,很多都外派,我只是不好意思請他們舉手,不過劉永健吶,我們公眾會我們發言人他明天就要啟程到波蘭。 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7202.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7205.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
法務部次長及警政署副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7210.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7217.625 |
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部長,您也請留步一下。截至7月底,我國和其他國已經簽訂司法互助條約的國家,包含我們今天審查的簽署國,總共有13個國簽署了司法互助的條約。但是從105年蔡英文總統上任後,不是就積極推行新南向政策嗎?但是本席我現在看了13國中,只有越南和菲律賓。請問外交部部長,還有法務部的次長, |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7238.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7245.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
那其他西南向國家呢?是我們跟他們關係不好嗎?還是有沒有什麼中共的因素呢?而且現在詐騙,我看現在詐騙非常的猖獗,國人被騙到緬甸、泰國還有柬埔寨這些地方,然後其實他們又再到那邊去詐騙其他外國人,影響了臺灣的國際的關係,尤其是這些地方,那我們是不是更需要要去跟他們簽一些司法互助呢?是不是要更努力呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7267.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7295.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
對,要更努力所以部長也是贊成說那我們就是要是新南向的政策然後要去跟他們多因為隨著我們跟新南向國家的來往這麼樣的頻密那不管是人或是經貿的關係那我們事實上除了外交部之外法務部、調查局或者是我們內政部、警政署其實也是都有派外那這樣最近幾個例子都 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7296.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7300.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議．立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議案。五、審查行政院函請審議．立法院函請審議 |
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7325.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7350.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
因為這個司法互助是互惠的最主要是大家共同打擊犯罪那些跨境的犯罪越來越多好那希望我們還是要再努力一下對要努力把它如果能夠簽訂司法互助協定是更有更更更大的一個一個一個保障好謝謝謝謝林益君召委我該想說你怎麼沒有推薦我去駐外問半天都沒有問到我 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
7352.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7352.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
主席,謝謝,麻煩請林佳龍部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
7383.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7406.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
部長,勞動部的霸凌案,行政院指示說公務部門都要嚴辦各種霸凌事件。其中外交部過去到現在也有一些相關的爭議的部分。本席也看到最近有新聞的投書,也有看到說有把幾個外交部過去到現在的一些爭議事件列出來。來,我們看一下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7430.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這個外交部的霸凌事件請能忘記,那其中這一位投書者還是我們之前外交部的官員。好,他裡面特別提到幾件事情,我想霸凌林榮忍,過去到現在不會因為時間流失而真相就讓他石沉大海嗎?我想部長你應該有這樣的一個認知跟這樣的一個面對的勇氣吧?對。好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7430.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7430.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
事實和真相到底為何? |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7445.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7472.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
禁中職守,但有搶到網軍事件。二、2023年駐巴西聖保羅辦事處王組長遺事被館長霸凌輕生,館長雖被監察院彈劾,但全案事實真相,外界未明。三、晶片護照改版事件,部長在事實真相未明下,把相關人員調職。 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7475.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7496.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
這一個部分我想請教林將部長既然我們看到勞動部有這樣的一個霸凌事件而且沒有調查還不知道甚至勞動部第一個調查還是想要粉飾太平的調查直到換了部長之後新任部長上任再重請調查才水落石出也還這個往生者一個交代那一樣這三個案件 |
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內部有沒有指示是不是能夠有重啟調查至少給國人一個清楚明白真相讓瞭解是說當時的時空環境背景底下不要誤往誤走林部長你的看法勒 |
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這三個案子我想有一些進入司法的程序或者是監察院調查那當然如果有什麼新的事證我們當然也會很重視來作為一個一個是新的事證嘛另外一個部分是說當初有沒有針對我們底下的同仁去做訪談去做了解以及把整個事件給勾勒出來 |
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有,像我上任之後除了其實我在7月就已經針對不管霸凌或性騷還有相關的這一些就是管理的問題有全面的檢討之後有訂定了一些改善的一個辦法但是如果以您提到的第三個案子我也調出來看過 |
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基本上我們都要進行調查而且對當事人也要訪談尤其是這幾天立法院關切的幾個案子我們也都有一個很詳細的調查委員會也有外聘的委員也都有啟動調查委員會跟外聘委員 |
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有,有些甚至沒有,當然有些有檢舉嘛,有些沒有44委員的質詢,但我們都一樣的重視,因為有則改之嘛,一個要克則,但是如果有一些是誤會,或者是說本身當事人有,能夠來這個面對,那是情節到什麼程度,因為我們在講有時候是比較廣泛的講啦, |
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這三個案件因為都是屬於當時《劍報》也是算媒體軒然一時的事件,那這三個案件目前有沒有再去做相關了解? |
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我自己個人都有調出來詳細看過那因為他有一些已經告一個段落而且有調查結果而且有些有處處分了除非有什麼新的事證我們當然會根據情況再做判斷 |
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三、審查行政院函請審議．立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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所以你也歡迎如果說有任何心事證也要在跟部裡面提出,是不是?對同仁如果說有提出的話你都會主動調查?一定的好,謝謝,謝謝鴻孟凱委員,各位請回好,接下來進行巡達委員,葉元之委員那我請外交部長,謝謝來,部長請 |
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部長,我要跟你反映一件事情之前有一個民眾跟我澄清那是一個跟杜拜有關的事情他們是一家四口要去杜拜旅遊然後透過電子簽證去申請結果四個人裡面有的大人有的小孩 |
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結果小朋友的電子簽證回覆是錯的傳回來是一個黑人很明顯就是杜拜那邊政府搞錯遇到這樣的事情當然我們想的就是找外交部協助結果我們聯絡外交部的單位外交部的人 |
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國會聯絡人,態度很差,他們沒有辦法處理,丟了一個旅行社,專門辦杜拜的旅行業務的旅行社的資料給我,叫我們轉給澄清人,說請找旅行社幫忙。 |
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當下我就非常傻眼我想說即便是要找旅行社幫忙外交部應該也有一定的管道吧就請外交部進行聯絡結果外交部那個同仁說我們會轉給住處就非常敷臉我問他說請問你什麼時候會回我他說反正我會轉給住處嘛你們就先找旅行社嘛 |
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我不知道外交部這樣的一個態度啦怎麼連國人遇到這樣的問題這很明顯是杜拜那邊政府搞錯我們是黃總人他傳一個黑人過來請外交部協助居然是這樣的態度那我特別去看了一下本來我們在外交部在國外的住處其中有一個有一個服務嘛就是比如說協助旅外的國人辦理像住在國政府當局依法聯絡交測事項那當然 |
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外交部提供任何協助,是因為我們住杜拜單位太弱,還是我們外交部太官僚?」 |
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因為你執行...你現在還知道我是說事先去瞭解我們同仁都有提供這個談餐啦喔談餐喔那你覺得這樣OK嗎你同仁這種態度OK嗎就是說我們沒辦法我們在杜拜沒什麼辦法去處理這個簽證這麼簡單的事情請你去找旅行社你覺得這樣OK嗎 |
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這當然是他的說法,但是即使不管怎麼樣的說法,有這個事情我們要去釐清因為要去辦這個入境的簽證是當地國有些規定,那我們不符合,我們的國人希望說能不能方便一下不是不是,部長你都沒有聽我講他是跟成年人一起去申請的嘛,你完全沒有在聽我講話 |
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四個人有大人有小孩四個人同時去申請電子簽證只有小朋友的搞錯了他是搞錯了那因為很明顯錯誤所以希望透過外交部跟當地的杜拜負責發簽證的溝通一下說這很明顯是你搞錯能不能發一個正確過來因為未滿18歲他要併成人來申請我就說那四個人裡面有大人有小孩嘛 |
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但是你們的回覆的態度就是說沒辦法處理嘛,要找旅行社,如果什麼事情都找旅行社,那我們外交部真的很爽耶。委員講後面就算啦。部長,你這樣子回答我相信大家都在直播都在看啦。你們是在杜拜是有住點的嘛,有辦事處的嘛。是。那我們希望說不管怎麼樣你找辦事處,辦得成辦不成是一回事嘛,至少你有去溝通嘛。我同意啊。結果你們的態度是說你找旅行社就好了啦。 |
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委員那樣講,那個是不對的。你覺得不對嗎?對,不對。那他是負責國會聯絡的。我們請求我們協助,我們一定要當作自己的事啊。其實你願意承認說,你那個同仁這樣是不對的,我非常感謝你啊。 |
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因為我今天不是在找你吵架的我只要講的是說其實我們很多國人或者是駐外的我們的國人可能會遇到一些協助是需要你幫忙的但是如果說大家態度都是說我們沒辦法處理那個我們沒有外交啦我們沒辦法啦請你找旅行社請你找東請你找民間那我們國人會認為我們的外交部好像有跟沒有沒有什麼差別啊大家的感受是這樣因為他們自己的事情最大嘛 |
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他們自己的感受是這樣嗎?所以是不是可以請部長我會期許我們的同仁要有同理心然後把當作自己的事情幫忙找能夠解決的方法謝謝你這樣子回答啦但是你們下面是官僚到幾點請你去好好了解一下好 謝謝葉元柱委員各位請回 |
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今天已登記質詢委員除不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議有黃人委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報相關機關已書面於兩週內答覆聯席會各委員並複製聯席會那委員口頭質詢未及答覆部分 |
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或要求補充資料者,亦請相關單位以書面於兩週內提供。」但是委員當場有另約定期限者,像今天馬文君委員有約定今年底以前,請從其所定。書面再增加一位中嘉賓委員,有兩位,黃仁跟中嘉賓委員都有提書面,列入報告,列入紀錄跟報告。 |
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好,我們現在開始審查討論事項第一案請議事人員宣讀名稱及條文第一案,駐德國台北代表處與德國在台協會刑事司法互助協議案第一條目的 |
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第二條定義第三條機關第四條請求要件第五條溝通管道第六條協助之類型第七條視訊訊問第八條解送受拘禁人第九條搜索及扣押 |
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第10條聯合偵查團隊、第11條資產分享、第12條特定性原則、第13條拒絕試遊、第14條執行請求、第15條保證、第16條保密、第17條諮商、第18條個人資料保護、第19條支出、第20條最終條款。」宣讀完畢各位委員對於第一案有無異議 |
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沒有異議的話第一案駐德國台北代表處與德國在台協會刑事司法互助協議案照案通過我們現在處理第二案請宣讀 |
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第二案,中華民國（臺灣（政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。第一條,協助之範圍。第二條,中央主管機關。第三條,協助之限制。第四條,請求之形式及其內容。第五條,請求之執行。第六條,費用。第七條,用途之限制。第八條,受請求方之贈言或證據。第九條,官方記錄。第十條,人員自請求方應訊。第十一條,視訊訊問。 |
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第12條,人或證據之所在或其辨識。第13條,文書之送達。第14條,搜索及扣押。第15條,返還證物。第16條,交換犯罪記錄。第17條,財產之禁止處分及沒收。第18條,第三人。第19條,資產分享。第20條,與其他協定之關係。第21條,諮商。第22條,生肖修正與終止。宣讀完畢。 |
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有關第二案委員各位委員有沒有異議沒有異議我們照案通過請議事人員宣讀第三案名稱及條文 |
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司法互助條約案。第一條,協助之範圍。第二條,中央主管機關。第三條,協助之限制。第四條,請求之形式及其內容。第五條,請求之執行。第六條,費用。第七條,用途之限制。第八條,受請求國之證言或證據。第九條,官方記錄。第十條,人員至請求國應訊。第十一條,視訊訊問。 |
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第12條,人或證據之所在或其辨識。第13條,文書送達。第14條,搜索及扣押。第15條,返還證物。第16條,財產之限制處分及沒收。第17條,第三人。第18條,資產分享。第19條,與其他協定之關係。第20條,諮商。第21條,爭議之解決。第22條,生效修正與終止。宣讀完畢。請問各位委員是否有異議? |
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沒有異議,我們照案通過。本期宣告,駐德國臺北代表處與德國在台協會刑事司法互助協議案。中華民國（臺灣）政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事司法互助條約案。 |
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司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。五、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。六、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。七、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國．臺灣．政府與聖露西亞政府刑事司法互助條約案。八、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國 |
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在委之前本席再宣告一次 |
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有關國防部主管非營業基金預算提案單,收件截止日期是12月27日星期五中午12點前, |
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主管信託基金預算提案單收件截止日期也是在12月27日星期五中午12點以前預期數不收案。」我們這兩國防部跟僑委會的基金我們會定在同一天進行審議那我們在會議通知其實都有書面告知各位委員那宣告請我們黨團的助理跟各位委員助理再一次確認時間12月27星期五中午12點以前好 |
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大家辛苦,本次聯席會議到此結束,我們散會,謝謝。 |