| IVOD_ID |
164247 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164247 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T09:46:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T09:58:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a30e21fae9997afeb79ba2ba11b833fe0a5dd201981b308a87e389c4a505309a2e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:46:44 - 09:58:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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委員好部長好我想剛剛這個委員有問到有關於最近有人爆料說公股的這一個行庫有因為中國的制裁而拒絕對退役軍人辦理貸款保險那剛剛台銀的這個董事長已經否認我想進一步了解一下其他的公股銀行有類似的狀況嗎 |
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有沒有我們大概也初步跟各個公股行戶了解並沒有這樣初步了解並沒有這樣的一個信息都沒有這種狀況那如果確認的話麻煩財政部對外說明一下否則的話這是非常不合理的事情那另外一個部分就我所知道我們八大公股銀行現在已經有啟動黃金的WRWA也就是實質資產代幣化的這個部分 |
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這個部分我想請問一下銀行這邊有沒有誰可以出來講一個話狀況如何 進度如何台銀 |
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報告委員這個代幣化的研究其實我們由台灣銀行還有其他的七家銀行共同參與目前是進行一個試驗的階段我們的代幣後面的資產是用黃金因為台灣銀行是唯一有銷售實體黃金的一個銀行所以現在成效還不錯 |
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因為這個狀況還可以吧對 目前是在進行接下來你們在9月10號的時候你們有討論到穩定幣對不對對 就是用穩定幣因為這等於是在發行穩定幣一個前身的一個概念也是一個代幣化的業務對不對如果是這樣子的話照你上台灣銀行是這種處理的話台灣銀行接下來在穩定幣要綁住這個實體的貨幣的話 法幣的話那台銀是目前新台幣的發行 |
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那兆豐銀行是外匯的一個結算銀行有沒有可能從由台銀來做台幣的穩定幣然後由兆豐來負責外幣的穩定幣的這樣分工台灣銀行目前不是台幣的發行機構現在新台幣的發行是中央銀行主要會不會由你們比較代表性的國營來做代表我們是幫他做一些這個發行就是他印完以後我們幫他發行那實際上印製是中央銀行印製是中央銀行沒有錯然後發行業務是你們嘛對不對 |
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那有沒有可能這樣子然後另外董董外幣的部分我們並沒有商定要發行穩定幣我們在財政部記的檢討報告裡面我們有一個報告就是談到穩定幣而已並沒有說我們所有關股要做穩定幣那我就請教一下部長 |
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那各位就請回 董事長就請回了部長 我請教你一下如果這樣子的話以現在央行的這個央行的總裁有提到說將來這個發行權是由金融機構那公股銀行不會帶頭嗎來從事這金融科技嗎跟委員報告目前來說有關數位資產服務法這個部分 |
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金管會已經研擬了應該在行政院的研討當中那未來會對於穩定幣有相關的一個第一個發行的條件還有他要怎麼樣透明以及跟有關的一個法定資產怎麼樣去連結以及監管等等我想這個部分未來在這個服務法裡面都要做詳細的規定那麼有這樣的一個法規以後後面要怎麼樣去誰來做發行這個未來可能都要看市場的一個情況 |
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公股銀行有沒有意思來做這一個發行的機構我想這個部分會由銀行他們來做評估那財政部都有一個意見表示嗎他剛剛問財政部因為現在來說穩定幣在國外有像比如說跟美元綁跟美債綁 |
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如果你还没有评估的话我建议你稍微慎重评估一下因为这是未来一个很重要的一个空间跟市场那另外一个部分我请教一下部长的部分部长前几天那个院长被追问到说要不要送这个财发法的修正案他很用力的点头那这个点头的意思是这个会请能不能送进来这个版本 院的版本 |
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我們的部分其實財政部有相關的一些方案那也持續在跟行政院再跟行政院報告那行政院如果說什麼時候送我們會提版本你們就馬上送我們馬上是就版本就馬上送如果院長說送你們就送 |
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可以的 因為我們會再進一步討論為什麼 因為9月13號的時候各地方政府的首長都有來他們也提相關的意見簡單的講 財政部都已經準備好了版本的都OK了就送行政院做那也要跟委員報告下個禮拜二我們會再次邀請地方政府來開會對 在既有的共識基礎上我們再往前再推動然後會把相關的草案 |
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所以最快要下禮拜二再開一次會議之後會再找地方政府來開會開一次會之後然後送行政院看行政院什麼時候送因為之前也開過三次了所以版本也是差不多了只要再確認一下就可以了本席也提出相對的版本出來我著重的地方是在財政的平衡也就讓地方能夠擁有最基本的財政的需求 |
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另外我還著重的部分是區域的平衡也能夠滿足各地的建設的需求第三 環境的平衡讓這個產業的分工不要有污染的指標要把污染的指標納入有三個平衡所以這三個平衡當中在版本制定的時候將來我們有機會再來做對話還有一個部分國安基金從4月進場到現在已經六個月了 |
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那目前為止國安基金扮演一定的一個角色但是未來還是有不確定的因素不論是關稅的不確定或者地權政治不確定或中國有一些結構性的外溢的效應的不確定都有可能造成股市上的一個衝擊那現在要問我們的台灣的股市現在25年來在股市上已經飆漲了11倍那國安基金的這個嚇阻能力大家擔心會越來越不足 |
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本席在三月的時候就已經提出這個議題當時部長你也認同說五千億不夠當初國安基金成立的時候整個IPO的市場總有的市值才八兆而已我三月質詢的時候是七十兆你知道現在幾兆了嗎 |
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您上面寫90兆對 90兆答案都給你了就是說等等整個從5000億的角度來看我們從比重的這個6%降到成0.5%部長我們都已經提出版本了我想請問一下院這邊財政這邊要不要提出版本 |
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委員是希望擴大那個國安基金的一個規模那我想這個部分也是我們在評估的一個事項那從4月8應該是4月9號開始這一次的一個進場以後我們歷次的例會裡面都在討論目前在上個禮拜四召開的國安基金的例會裡面認為還是持續在進場並沒有退場那最主要是要穩定股市然後加強投資人的信心維護投資人的信心這個繼續在做 |
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那委員所關切的這個規模的部分我們會持續的評估是上次說認為不夠你現在要退回去持續評估對對對那我問你說我們要不要提出版本那你之前是尊重那個大院的意見那你到底贊成或不贊成 |
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或要或不要提出我想這個部分在我們的國安基金的委員會裡面會再做討論我跟你講國安基金委員會提過很多次了啦大部分都希望提高啦我都打聽過了啦那你為什麼還要再評估我就不曉得為什麼你是不願意提版本是不是也不是也不是我沒有不願意對那你態度怎麼樣我聽不出來耶我們基本上持正面的態度 |
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持正面的態度但是沒有很積極的方法方法也不難部長我真的覺得你應該稍微積極一點你應該提出一個相對應的版本出來否則的話你會陷入財政收支劃分法的這種狀況變成立法院的版本裡面沒有版本提出版本才是一個最負責的態度部長 |
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本席再跟你慎重提醒最后的部分我想问一下到底过去往年的税收都年年超标超标的结果总共四年累积起来大概有1.87兆 |
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那过往当然我们都是用来还债但是我们基本需求跟投资未来都还有很大的一个需求的情况底下这个你看到的这种现象以照目前这个今年的最缩的执行率这个是91点多去年了91.7是不是 |
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然后现在是剩下三个月是75.5对不对那你预估起来今年的税收的状况呢还是会超标吗还是会短针 |
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跟委员报告今年我刚刚说今年的114年的预算数比113年的时增数时增数增加了947亿那到9月底为止我们今年的时增数比去年113年同期的时增数是减少365亿这中央的部分365亿365亿 |
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所以呢今年要達成110年要達成我們的預算數基本上是很具有挑戰性的因為我們的預算數已經比去年的實證書增加但是到9月底是比去年少那當然這個原因我們也去分析第一個銀索稅的部分目前還沒有完全入帳因為9月有一個站腳稅款還沒有完全入帳 |
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對那看上半年當然盈利事業貨不錯但是還有部分所以對連達標都感到別觀對還有一個證交稅證交稅是減少比去年同期減少223億那這個部分呢如果後續的股市的成交量能夠 |
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達到近5000億的話可能在這個預算數上在證交稅的預算數上是可以達到另外就是貨物稅貨物稅目前來說也是減增到123億這裡面有一部分是因為小客車的部分因為當時的稅制大家在觀望所以就影響到買氣那這個部分我們希望在因為在9月份的時候看起來小客車的貨物稅有一些拉上來了拉上來了 |
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所以貨物稅另外在關稅的部分目前也減少42億但是不多啦主要還是貨物稅減少100多億所以我們大概都會分析各個稅務以及去考量今年的預算數能不能達標但是跟委員報告今年的預算數達標具有一定的挑戰性 |
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有一定的挑戰性所以說你預期來說恐怕不會有超標的可能要超過可能有點困難有困難我們追求如果能夠達標就偷笑了是不是沒有偷笑都是努力的成果大家努力的成果加油希望還有機會看到你新的紀錄謝謝我們謝謝國委員接下來我們請來會員委員 |
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