| IVOD_ID |
164239 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164239 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T09:24:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T09:35:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a30b25e295ab490aa99ba2ba11b833fe0a5dd201981b308a87ee4908f1f42fde8f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:24:46 - 09:35:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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委員好川普長早根據你今天早上的報告今年度在收這個稅收的時候它的比例是比較慢但是你沒有說明其中很大原因是因為為了因應美國關稅政策延緩提供了這個延分期繳納 |
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所以造成這個統計的結果那這個因應美國關稅所提供的研分期繳納到底會有沒有計算過這樣子事實上是少收了多少將來當然會補上啦我是說目前少收了多少大概有申請研分期大概有530幾億主要是營所稅的部分加上這個其實就沒有慢了 |
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對 那也跟委員報告我們先跟委員報告就是114年的稅客收入的預算數比113年的實徵數我們有增加到947億好 947億那我們如果到9月底為止我們中央的實徵數和到去年同期的實徵數事實上目前來說是少了365億那主要的原因也可以跟委員報告第一個就是銀索稅的部分 |
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就是剛剛講的這個啊 延分期啊延分期之外還有因為站腳稅款是到9月那所以有些稅款會在10月才入帳那所以真正的稅款會到10月我們才可以看出一個全貌我跟你說 我認為你們還是估得很保守因為今年的GDP照主計總數的講法今年明顯就會超過4.5個百分點 |
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然後成長數所以你明年的稅客收入依照你們今年提出的預算數估起來是保守我再一次跟你講你估的保守本來沒有問題啦但是被人家拿來做政治操作就會產生問題 |
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預算收入是一個估計數沒有什麼超收的問題中華民國要收每一毛稅全部都要法律有明文規定法律有明文規定你也不能不收啊所以哪有什麼超收這個字母字也根本不對超過估計的預算數時收數超過估數 |
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超过原来估计的预算数对那我是要跟你说其实你今年还是孤跑手的如果照我们今年这个GDP的成长再加上目前因为AI因为这个电子产业当然我们现在是M型化但是台湾的产业刚好就是在AI在电子产业这一块也是世界的非常重要的分布所以短期之内看起来这一方面还会很有荣景 |
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那我是認為啦今年的上市櫃公司所獲利可能會創歷史新高以前市造今年可能會不值所以我是覺得你們的估算還是很保守那你如果很保守你就要開始在因應在野黨又要講說來你超收啊你要還稅於民啊錢給我啊他不知道我們 |
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優先順序該要做的事情裡面有很多就變成要舉借來特別預算所以他每次來跟你講都講一半欸我要發錢這個東西你說說沒有錢那你們怎麼有錢去做其他事情我要做其他事情因為其他事情的優先順序很重要啊 |
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可能比每一個國民要領一萬塊還要重要啊所以他沒有當家他不知道我們在講的是體制行政機關有使用人事跟預算的權利立法機關哪裡有憲法規定我們不能為增加預算的提案結果立法院弄一個法律叫你這邊花錢那邊花錢整個國家體制都破壞掉了嘛 |
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這樣子你要怎麼擔任所以我是這一次跟你說財政收支劃分法現在行政院要提出版本了對不對財政收支劃分法他不是只有管收不是只有中央跟地方財 |
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政的分配跟地方政府水平的財政的分配不是他重要的是資的部分權責要相符哪一些部分要中央來執行哪一些部分地方政府要執行講清楚在這個執行政策上面總共要花多少錢這樣子才能分配錢先要講事權的分配事權的分配完之後才搭配給多少錢 |
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是的 那我對你們的期許是把這個事情跟社會大眾講清楚你們的版本喔 行政院的版本現在來到立法院我認為很難過啦因為現在藍白人數量是多他不跟你討論真正的到底是需要什麼反正大家就是講到錢就是搶然後不講道理你現在這個財政收支劃分法如果沒有好好處理我跟你講會發生幾件事情第一個每一個地方政府都搶稅 |
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因為你現在營業稅大部分就變成財政收支劃分法裡面的統籌分配稅款了嘛要分給地方政府嘛扣掉4%以外全部歸地方政府那你的4%是要給你們積增的金額啊積增金額以及那個獎金統一發票獎金那我現在問一個問題啦齁你現在如果舉一個例子你企業的總部給我設在台北市結果你工廠設在桃園或是生產的地點設在新北的將來營業稅算在哪裡繳 |
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跟委員報告最主要因為這一次新版的財化法他在裡面把盈利事業的營業額的比重放得非常高也就是會遇到委員剛剛講的這個情況那因為把營業額放得特別高以至於工商發展的城市他就貨配特別多那麼就是會造成各縣市政府未來會去爭取相關的企業當然我不是啦我如果是新北市長我現在就要求我在新北市在這邊給我設生產地點的你營業額不給我弄過來新北市的話 |
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我就要開始來找你這個有什麼地方不符合任何的法令都是給你嚴格監管那這樣就變成每一個地方政府為了自己的將來的統籌分配稅就變成搶稅啦是 而且會干擾到企業的一個運作對 那你這個事情你準備要怎麼解釋 |
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怎麼要處理未來我們的財化法的規劃其實是第一個會優先要彌補基整財政收支的一個差段這個部分然後把營業額的部分不會把它放到這麼高我們會基本上要先保障財源你講的是你現在行政院提出的草案嘛那我現在跟你講的是現在立法院已經通過的那個案子你們現在提過來這個草案我認為不容易過啦 |
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但是你們要好好的跟社會大眾說明你們現在提出這個草案是基於什麼原因必須要這樣子處理我跟你講不然都獨厚台北市啊台北市企業總部一大堆結果他生產的地點都在別人的地方將來一頁稅都算台北市的第二個我們國稅局有非常多優秀的公務員可是一個問題啊 |
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你這個是代收將來營業稅要給地方政府國稅局這麼認真幹嘛我在那邊計徵拿到的稅款又不是歸我專門政府是地方政府我替地方政府在查稅結果你們國稅局當壞人然後拿到錢的都是地方政府 |
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那國稅局的同仁要為地方政府去得罪這些優秀公園要為地方政府去得罪那麼多人去得罪這些企業大家都知道為國家查稅是合理的但是問題是你要查稅喔被查稅的對象他就心中 |
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483.999 |
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502.183 |
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不論如何他心裡都會有怨言嘛對不對那這個問題你要怎麼解決我覺得將來這個方面的激增也會出問題耶我想委員您的建議我們都會在新版財化法這個我們未來要向外界說清楚講明白說清楚好那最後問一個小問題這個國營在新南向國家現在有很多分行要裁撤那可不可以跟我說明主要的考量是什麼 |
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512.823 |
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516.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
我想我們的國營在設外面的紙行分行或辦事處他們要考量的因素包含有營運成本的問題還有業務拓展的問題還有怎麼樣整合他們的據點資源來降低營運成本當然也有跟當地的一些政局的影響業務的情形都要考慮我想我們的國營我們的公股行庫對於外面設分行或紙行辦事處他們在如何設點的時候都要會做整體的考量 |
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540.057 |
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542.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
而且我們也會尊重他們在業務佈局上的一些審慎的一些課而且他要經過經管會的同意他要經過當地政府的同意都有一定的程序你講的我懂啦養光可能是比較特別因為他進來就是政變之後有很多的不安定 |
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555.879 |
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558.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
那其他的地方你如果這樣講是對的話你是說情況有所變更嗎不然當初要設分行也是要跟金管會申請經過審慎的考量之後才慎重的決定去設分行現在設了之後突然之間好幾家銀行都要測這個據點 |
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572.91 |
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602.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
那就代表當初籌設時候的判斷跟現在實際的狀況是有所差距是變動的情況這個變動如果是外在環境的變動我們了解這個變動就要理由就要講出來要講清楚說明白好不好我們對你們很支持但是你們要加油你們的困境要向社會大眾說明在立法院講是沒有人聽得到的好不好這裡是講這裡現在是比例大小沒有在講道理的 |
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602.893 |
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604.374 |
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好謝謝委員謝謝委員期許謝謝好謝謝吳委員接下來我們請賴世保委員 |