| IVOD_ID |
164202 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164202 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T12:32:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T12:39:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6e0d80c463ad9d4ab1d8817d393176c43b6741136213cfef692d0a82c07ca83cd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:32:45 - 12:39:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請部長我們請部長部長好 時間的關係我們很快的進行超市的弊案我相信大家都很關注2024年6月25號這個弊案還在滾雪球的時候 |
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農業部對外說你們的政風調查確認行政上面沒有什麼問題我是逐字照錄的這不是我編出來的結果呢結果出來了以後行政上問題一堆 |
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行政上問題一堆代表你們那時候次長面對社會大眾質疑的時候的回覆是在聞過是非這件事情農業部事後有沒有檢討要不要給社會大眾一個說法 |
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我跟委員報告在整個超支案的過程中從我開始去處理的時候第一個部分我們就成立內部調查小組而且把相關的沒辦法一律我們移送檢調去調查我們有移送檢調所以檢調才有後續的調查這不是我的問題部長請你針對問題回答現在我在質疑的事情是你們農業部說政風調查確認沒有行政問題這個陳述是正確的嗎 |
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這個在程序上面來講當初看到的行政調查是如此但是我們覺得說有一些沒辦法解釋跟續產會沒辦法解釋所以才會移請檢調調查我的問題還是一樣啊當初這樣對社會大眾的陳述是正確的嗎是正確的嗎我不知道這句話是在哪個時間點來2024年6月25號沒有辦法記得那麼清楚齁對啊所以我現在問你嘛現在這句話 |
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現在從農業部的立場來看這個陳述是正確的嗎你回答不出來沒關係啦從檢調的調查裡面我們農業部的所有的職員並沒有受到任何的所謂的移送來看一下齁看一下齁你們說行政上沒有問題嗎我現在這12345678全部都是全職機關認定出來的這全部都是行政上的問題啊今天我請你 |
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提醒你告訴你這個問題我是有個態度啦事前不要聞過是非啦事後都會被檢驗啦我們已經經過檢調調查我們的正式的真正的公務人員並沒有相關的被移送的一個情形好來看一下監察院認定啊張經緯浪費了公帑5億多啊這5億多接下來誰買單 |
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我覺得監察院講這句話也沒有特別的根據你的意思是說監察院這樣子的認定是沒有事實基礎就對了相關的法院都還沒有做判決那同樣的相關的當初的這些機案部長請你稍微等一下分兩個部分第一個 |
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監察院彈劾張經緯 從你今天回答的狀況來看你是幫張經緯抱不平啊 是嗎我告訴你 法院還沒有判決 這兩個部分嘛監察院歸監察院 法院歸法院嘛我們一樣一樣看清楚嘛我要跟委員報告 監察院等一下啦 你先停一下 監察院 |
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彈劾的法律構成要件跟法院現在有沒有定罪的犯罪構成要件是兩回事嘛所以我現在先問你嘛檢察院說他浪費公帑5億多 |
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農業部打算怎麼辦他談了他 他就會進到懲戒法院懲戒法院現在還沒有懲戒法院處理的是公務員違法失職要施於什麼懲戒處分的問題嗎有違法失職才有所謂的後面的浪費公帑的問題下一個問題針對求償權的部分消滅時效多久法律上面有不夠了解法律上你不夠了解 回去問清楚這就是我今天質詢的重點 |
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你說要等我擔心的是什麼你等到天荒地老消滅時效都完成了你要跟誰求償啊這就是我的point嘛我的重點是他真正的有所謂的不法的情況之下才要去求償那相對的以這個武藝我提醒一下部長齁你可能回去啊看要去問你們的法務單位啊還是要問你們聘請的律師都沒有問題啊 |
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在民事上面求償的構成要件跟懲戒法院懲處種類的構成要件跟刑事責任認定有沒有貪污的構成要件全部都不一樣全部混在一起這是第一點第二點求償的構成要件消滅時效從什麼時候開始算從什麼時候開始算搞清楚 第二點因為我很擔心啊五億多沒了過了幾年雲淡風輕 |
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然後說那怎麼不求償不好意思消滅時效已完成 這個是我今天質詢的第一個point第二個 因為主席已經站起來了啦第二個超市幣案續產會被詐領了6085萬這個部分也要等到官司結束嗎 |
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這也要等到官司結束嗎這個我會去了解然後等到吳亦菲被判刑確定了以後再來檢討要不要跟他求償嗎還是反正花的是納稅人的錢不要沒關係大家都沒關係我絕對沒有這種態度沒有關係很好我就是要你有積極的態度要你有積極的作為你回去了解了以後需要多久可以給我書面回覆 |
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這個檢報上面續產會的部分我會發文請續產會給我一個訊息那您剛才講的那個浪費工廠無益的部分如果針對這些報廢產的話沒有關係啊你們要怎麼處理一併書面回覆需要多久書面的部分是針對這個還是針對上一題兩個都要回答因為我問了兩個問題這個多久一個月一個月可不可以一個月好可以我等你一個月謝謝 |
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謝謝黃國昌委員的質詢謝謝部長的 |