| IVOD_ID |
164182 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164182 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T11:49:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T11:57:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6664e6b1c2639b80a97bc26f8a2da105892e8362d61d61ef273c3e5e214b715b05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:49:15 - 11:57:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席請主席點名 請主席點名好 我們請陳省計長 陳主計長委員好主席點名好委員好學長好財化法修正本來是要落實這個地方自治的可是現在行政院一路都在造謠說地方的錢被分光光了我給大家看一個餅圖我去做了統計 |
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其實民國八十八年精神的時候我們中央政府的這個進入的這個金額啊那時候只有六十趴中央啊 |
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主席 沈記長在點頭了嘛結果你看 財化法修正完之後我幫他做了一個統計還有高達65.6%表示現在中央政府還是有錢的不要講說地方分你太多錢第二個 中央還是富豪更嚴重的 接下來我跟主記長跟沈記長討論一個非常嚴重的事情我覺得主記長 叫行進營最近做了太多違法的事情 |
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主計跟審計應該是很受到人家尊重的特別是主計一定要依法去編列預算剛才講金人加薪不編 |
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景銷的退休金的年金提高也不便這已經是違法了所以我們今天會立足把明年度中央政府總計算要退回這是一個第二個我們來看還動了一個大家沒有注意到可是對我們地方教育跟基礎建設連捷運都受到影響的很大的一個地方可能很多人到現在都不曉得主計總處 |
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行政院竟然把我們的計劃型補助款明年度我們的計劃型補助款本來應該有2954億大家看那個餅圖那是中央應該給地方的計劃型補助款砍到只剩下308第一個這個額度太大了 |
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第二個 那很多建設對地方都非常非常的重要包括到我們小孩子的營養午餐祝給你們財化法通過的時候我算給大家聽本來明年度因為財化法通過之後中央下放 這個富豪中央集錢要集錢下放給地方要照顧地方的4165億結果竟然啊你們可以去動一個辦法 |
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暗度成倉 你是土匪是不是 像土匪一樣搶回了 將近三分之二的搶回去2954億裡面的2646億欸 煮雞丁這樣炒化法都不用修啊我們修完你又下放4100多億下去結果你自己弄一個辦法把計劃權補助款 砍到308欸你又搶回去三分之二的錢欸 |
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而且這個錢你摸著良心的主席可以講你回答問題之前這些錢都是非常重要的我給大家看一下有什麼地方的捷運營養午餐對不對台南市的這個捷運南線你明年度本來要給他多少錢對不對你現在剩下砍到剩1.6 |
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他怎麼做啊這整個影響了整個人民的這個權益啊我看你剛才回答立委說不是不給晚一點給都已經蓋了第二個你時間往後拖這是多嚴重事情我們再看一個我去做了一個統計拜託先給電話這個一看這是被砍掉的是什麼 |
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教育經費被砍了659億包括什麼基本的教育人事費還有辦公費營養午餐 水電費 冷氣本來要退伏支出的限職的待遇659億都負責還牽扯到 |
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水利的輸進跟清淤你這個怎麼砍得下去經濟部河川的輸進少了10億內政部地下下水道的輸進跟清淤少14億這是不是都很重要 |
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是不是都很重要這個是很重要但是問題這個是譬如說國中小的一個營養午餐水電會還有地方的一個水利輸進這些相關的會用這都是屬於地方應辦的事項只是中央著於補助所以這個部分我們就是說有因為我們實在是預算編不出來沒有辦法編所以才會把它有些事項回歸地方 |
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主席長第一個你還是歷史以來最高的錢最多中華民國最有錢的就是今年的114年的中華民國明年115年更有錢了超過三兆欸你怎麼可以坐在金山上面一直喊窮而且第二個你剛講的都從地方搶的欸你都認為他重要結果你現在不你把他拿到中央來地方沒有錢要不要坐我最後做一個結論因為主席站出來了我看看欸我給你看一個很重要的文件 |
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這個是在8月28號黨團協商的時候那一天連柯建銘 吳思瑤 陳培宜都簽字喔 主席你們民進黨也簽字喔那時候我們就注意到了你們把一般補助款要變成申請這兩個很大問題嘛一般性的補助款很多都法定預算對不對 |
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你怎麼可以要去申請呢這是第一個問題第二個他本來錢被你排擠了嘛所以當初你看我們當初就說賴清德當台南市長的時候就說中央不應該急錢又急錢行政院你不應該去扣錢去解釋對於地方的補助款額度你不能夠調整各個縣市的這個金額的同時把明年的一般補助款變成是審查 |
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三黨的黨編 我們三黨去協商這個都有牽涉的 |
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你怎麼現在推翻我 你不是自打嘴巴嗎這個是總統通過追加預算案的時候的主決議喔這有法律效用喔 你這是違法耶這人家可以告你賭職耶所以你現在有幾個大的問題你對地方的影響那麼大對營養午餐影響那麼大對捷運影響那麼大教育影響那麼大所以最後我做個結論啦你是依法行政我做兩個拜託的事情第一個 回去好好再看看不要再這樣砍地方的補助環了 |
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你砍太多了 計劃型砍太多了第二個 不要把一般補助款還要再申請這兩個都是要處理的對 這個部分我們都有改了有改了 就是申請字的部分大部分都改成填報字所以這個部分就會那你就違反了這個當初我們這個規定啦 |
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沒有規範規定 因為為什麼因為一般性補助和計畫性補助都是對地方政府硬辦事項的著語補助啦並不是說一定的補助所以我們要衡量財政的意念來做補助請抱歉抱歉 比較簡單第一個 朱鑑定 拜託 |
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你把計劃型補助款2900多億砍到308這是非常明確的這傷害太大了你要回去檢討不能夠這樣砍這是第一第一你一般型的補助款本來以前是不用審的你現在變成要審我們當初就跟你講了這是總統公告喔你不要違法你這樣下去會變成賭職好不好請你今天再拜託一下你要盯好好不好這是財政紀律而且要依法行政拜託一下謝謝 |