| IVOD_ID |
164171 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164171 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T10:54:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T11:07:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db69bc28fe247f5a5fd32e8c280ed77980f92e8362d61d61ef2e445050a438e2b795ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
何欣純 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:54:53 - 11:07:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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那我們是不是請部長來 部長請 |
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謝謝 首先要恭喜部長你是從次長升任為部長我要這樣子講 要恭喜謝謝但是我想最重要的是國人最關心的詐騙的問題剛剛在你的業務報告裡面也有提到這個也是我們的業務重點是 當然我們也投入了編列了很多的預算資源 |
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那我在疫情之後就是數位化的年代裡面詐騙開始盛行的時候我就開始從20235月20243月20246月202410月202411月20254月20256月 |
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每一個會期一定都緊追著我們不管是修法或提案跟質詢我們的打炸的成效如何所以2023年5月 |
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部長也知道那時候我們有提案修正打炸的三法不管是各自法刑法等等 都有提高罰則那20243月我們那時候有一個電子簽章的修法所以我記得在那個修法除了我們有共同的來交換意見之外那電子簽章法也確實修正了 |
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還有呢我們當時大力宣傳的那個簡訊那個所謂的專屬的簡訊那現在我看看中央跟地方很多的單位也都在用我們政府專屬的一個簡訊那2024的這個6月 |
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當時候我們要求要納管所謂的第三方支付因為那時候太多的詐騙集團運用的第三方支付作為洗錢也好 或者是支付也好等等等詐騙的工具所以那時候我們有要求要落實源頭管理 |
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那第三方支付現在也正式的有管理了那我們希望接著要問的是管理的成效等一下再給我回答2024年10月當時發現台中的詐騙數全國最高我也要求要跨部會正式那速發部要嚴防那時候要開學了已經開學了每次的開學都有學生還有各式各樣新型的詐騙的手法2024年11月我們要求全面落實廣告實名制 |
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那這個部分我們雖然開始了那我當時認為應該要全面上路所有的平台2025年4月LINE的帳號開始應該是說國人被盜用非常的猖狂很多的名人也被盜用那甚至被詐騙所以我們也希望速發部可以協助及時停號這件事情 |
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2025年6月又來了我們除了MetaFB IG還有其他的平台之外翠在那時候開始成立一個新興的平台這個平台我們也發現它又變成詐騙的溫床所以我們要求納管實名制開始要從源頭來阻絕詐騙的粉專 |
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其實我念了這麼多最重要是剛開始的一句話最關心國人最關心的是有沒有成效啊有沒有成效啊所以我看了一下這個數據是從你們數位發展部的這個通報系統找到的 |
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不管是8月31號到9月6號到現在9月28號到10月4號這兩個比較其實都是數字遊戲啦部長我不知道你看得懂不懂啊因為就我的解讀啊這個 |
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诈骗广告的数量其实没有减少可是在你们的写法里面这两边比较起来8月31号到9月6号的你们告诉我因为诈骗数有上升所以可是到了9月28号的10月4号的这一周的报告里面 |
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我看的數字是差不多啦但是呢在你們下面的說明說有下降有下降有下降所以國人的感受深不深以我走訪基層大家對於這些數字沒有感受啊感受不深啊就是說到底政府打詐的成效有好過沒好過部長你自己說咧 |
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謝謝首先要感謝委員過去這一年多以來的督促與支持事實上剛剛委員講的那些各方面的事情我們其實在我們一起的努力之下應該都有做到大部分都已經做到了 |
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那我想一定會有一些成效那關於這個報告的確這個我們這樣子顯示因為都是跟上一週比較週跟週比較這個比較不清楚那我們之前之所以沒辦法跟去年我們通常是說那個跟去年同一時期比較那一個原因就是因為網站通報查詢網上線剛好到今年的9月30號剛好滿一週年 |
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所以接下來我們其實應該是可以改變我們的報告方式就是我們跟去年同一個時期這樣比這樣比較長時間的去比可能對國人的感覺會比較明顯那依照我們這邊的統計數字來講的話我們現在跟一年前來比的話應該已經是大幅下降了是 所以這個地方我們在報告的形式上我們會在改善當然我們實際上的作為也要改善 |
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第一個就數字上來看讓人家無感那我們怎麼改進我們怎麼跟國人報告讓國人有感說政府的打詐是有成效的這第一個我覺得表述的方式要讓人有感第二個這個數字的解讀我覺得很重要因為我們不管是跟一年前比較或者是跟上個月比較或者是跟上個禮拜比較我覺得 |
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比较是一种手法但是更重要的是要让 |
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人民有感覺說這個打炸是有成效的不然我們在坊間現在我看每個委員關心的也是速發部隊打炸的成效到底有沒有大家都還是一個問號有啦 那個委員我們現在在那個網路上在Facebook上很少在看到有仿冒黃仁勳那個張忠謀還有那個謝金河這個應該都已經很少見了嘛手法改變啦是啊 沒錯 |
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只是手法改變我們也要跟著與時俱進來打詐嘛對不對如果你認為有的話那我就在接下來下一頁 |
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行政院政府的公共政策網路參與平台現在就有一個提案制定數位打造法一起打造更安全的網路環境然後到目前為止已經超過8000個公民連署我跟你講這個之所以重要是在於他8月28號檢核這個提案是可以的到8月29號就 |
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通过达到门槛那这个联署门槛是多少五千所以他一天之内就五千人以上五千个公民联署通过门槛到现在已经超过八千个公民复役 |
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部長你說我們有成效那我們要讓人民有感你也認為國人應該有感可是我們看到在這樣子的一個政府的公共政策的網路參與平台裡面大家還是認為應該再制定一個數位打炸法 |
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而且連署的速度這麼快那你的立場呢 速發部的立場呢其實我想委員也非常清楚這個基本上數位打詐法這個概念是非常好的但是基本上我們之前的那個打詐專法裡面都已經包含了各種那個關於數位打詐的各種法條 |
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我們都已經做了譬如說我們裡面有那個廣告實名制這個我們不但已經通過這個法條而且我們確實實施了現在在Facebook在Line在Google上面的所有廣告都已經實施這個實名制而且這個實名制不但要揭露那個出資人也要揭露這個廣告的受益人然後再來我們在打造專法裡面我們規定說當政府通知這些平台要把這個詐騙 |
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的訊息或廣告下架的時候他們必須在24小時之內執行完成這個也是一樣就是不但法律已經通過而且我們都已經執行都已經做到了部長法律的通過是一件事很好那有執行是一件事很好 |
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但是最重要的是防不勝防為什麼國人對於政府的打炸的成效還有疑慮或是有問號那感受的問題我們又如何的去讓國人知道說我們是真的盡心盡力用力在防止在打炸我覺得這個部分是你要去思考因為下一頁不是只有這個網路平台而已 |
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你看到TRADE我在要求很多委員跟我的要求之下你9月15號納管上路那我就開始按照時間序來講你從7月3號公告納管9月15號開始正式實施到現在你自己看這是你們的數字 |
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9月到10月通報並確認為詐騙廣告跟訊息數多查18000多件變成第三大被通報的平台我們當然也知道說你們有做你們有資安院有AI系統在掃描 |
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那我就請教一下那催你們有沒有在做有沒有在做防堵有沒有在做掃描尋找那些可能是詐騙的廣告有沒有去做攔截 |
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是 這我們一直都有做事實上Thread雖然之前我們沒有正式納管但是其實我們一直有在做那個Thread上面的詐騙訊息的巡檢那我們發現詐騙訊息的話我們也通知ThreadThread當然它背後就是Meta這個事實上我們都一直有在做那我們現在所以正式納管是因為我們打詐專法是規定的是廣告那Thread在之前在我們打詐專法剛通過的時候它並沒有提供廣告的功能那它在今年的 |
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我上次有提醒你啊當然當然當然這個我們也注意到了他開始提供廣告的這個功能以後那我們就依照這個打詐專法必須把它正式納管那我們現在也正式納管那事實上也必須跟委員報告就是說在正式納管之前我們就已經開始做這個在Thread上面的這個那個掃描還有偵測還有通報那Thread那邊事實上也都有配合在把一些詐騙的訊息把它下架下來 |
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那這個關於感覺的方面現在實際上我們大家也注意到最近我們一些詐騙很多都已經從線上轉為線下或者是線上線下的虛實整合這個我們很不願意這樣講但是事實上就是也是 |
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那個因為我們打詐在線上我們速發不發那個負責的線上打詐有一定的成效所以這個詐騙集團他不斷的流竄他發現說線上純線上的詐騙不行的時候他就轉為線上線下的結合那這個方面我們會再跟那個內政部的警政署我們密切合作我們要一定要一起合作防守不管他是線上線下或者線上線下聯合我們一定要把這個詐騙堵住 |
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那是不是請你會後給我一個現在各網路平台你們納管之後的一個防止詐騙跟打詐的一個成效不僅僅是數字我也希望能夠有更進一步的一個報告可以讓國人知道好不好給我書面報告我覺得成效是最重要的讓人民有感是最重要的讓人民不要被詐騙更是重中之重 |
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非常謝謝委員的督促跟鼓勵 謝謝好 請在速發部請再提供給何委員以及我們本委會的委員辦公室這個打炸的一個成效 好不好 |