| IVOD_ID |
164125 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164125 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T10:20:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T10:29:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6e32e657d79d48f2fdb0c57f74454ce7bfda6f2d8e3477dae176963589987de955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:26 - 10:29:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請監察院秘書長列席說明立法計畫，並備質詢。【10月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝召委我們請代理秘書長請代理秘書長好 |
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你也不是監察委員所以問你個案也沒什麼一啦我們一些制度上的問題就你的了解或者是看法第一個就是說我們公職人員在做財產申報的時候現在大部分用自然人憑證那第一次申報第一次申報的時候 |
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監察院有沒有什麼方法可以防止第一次申報的時候他漏報了就他不是故意的就是他就漏報因為第二次以後他就抓去年的是要抓上一次的就可以了第一次的就第一次要申報了因為很多的政務官是第一次當政務官那他申報他也搞不清楚有沒有什麼機制我舉個例子譬如說像我們現在報稅 |
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報稅我們就是輸入相關的這個什麼身份證之類的然後他就告訴我說我去年啊領了 |
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多少什麼所得嘛然後他就幫我算完他就問我說你要標準扣除額列舉扣除額這樣啪啪啪就跑出一個數字那個是國家告訴我啦那我認為國家告訴我的好 那我就付錢嘛大概是這樣可是我們在做財產申報的時候第一次財產申報怎麼讓這些新進的要報的人不會你到最後收到一個通知說你漏報了一個東西因為你們會提出漏報代表你們手上有答案嘛 |
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說明一下 就是我們申報財產現在可以財產借接那以前只有定期財產申報可以借接現在已經開放到所謂的第一次申報就是公職人員的就到職申報也可以財產借接那前一段時間因為監察院的預算被完全刪除所以我們就停了一段時間從3月到 |
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九月都停了那九月以後又因為爭取到追加預算所以我們從九月開始恢復那從九月到十二月會有三次的財產借接的基準日所以可以方便所有的公職人員他的就到的申報也可以用借接的方式透過借接的方式可以比較正確的瞭解參考相關的財產申報好 那他借接完了 |
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他也沒改就送出去了那你們會不會說他有漏報就是如果他被查核的話不是 那他是借接的他是國家告訴他說他有這些財產那他怎麼辦跟我說明有些財產是沒有辦法借接的我說可以借接的 |
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可以接接的話 如果說我們因為會去裁罰他一定是認定他有故意申報不實不管是直接故意 間接故意對啦 你認識他故意嘛 我們會考量因為公務員啊 政務官第一次如果接到監察院通知他說你漏報了一筆什麼 他會很緊張啦因為他很有可能 因為他第一次擋碼 第一次申報 然後呢 |
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他也沒有故意啊 他是國家告訴他說他有這個財產 然後呢沒跟他講說他有另外那個財產然後結果你就說他漏報了這個要怎麼避免啊 |
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我就剛剛跟委員這樣子說明就是說如果是使用院裡面的借階的方式得到的財產資料那參考相關的資料以後來申報除非是不能借階的財產那那個比如說像市人債務比如說現金啊 什麼租房啊 對不對對 像這些那如果是我們借階的資料原則上我們會去審慎的考慮然後會 |
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盡量不要去認定他是故意的因為這個有些人第一次收到會很緊張當公務員接到監察院寄信給他他當然緊張第二個沒有申報的政治獻金是不是政治獻金沒有申報的政治獻金是不是政治獻金先要去界定是不是政治獻金那個當事人說是 |
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才去說他應該要如何就當事人說是但是他沒有申報不會因為當事人的好那我就簡單舉一個例子比如說我當了一個政務官那我兩個月以後要退了假設我當了兩個月以後這個我就不能當政務官也許是這個任期到好那就有善心人士 |
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就說你做什麼長就做到不錯 體育這麼年輕還要大展長才啊 還要創辦公室啊 要裝潢啊不然這三百萬放去裝潢啊那時候也沒有選舉期間嘛 沒有選舉的都沒有啊他收這三百萬 收起來 還在公家機關的辦公室收起來 |
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對監察院來說他收這張紙是什麼概念監察院你不要講到司法就是說這個監察院關你們什麼事有沒有跟你們有關 |
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委員那個第一個能夠收政治獻金是有一定的條件跟身份的那只有擬參選人是可以收政治獻金那如果說一般的政務官不是他不是擬參選人然後不是在選舉期間沒有開專戶他是不能夠收受政治獻金依法不能收受那如果收受那我請問這個動作是不是給政治獻金這個要看個案的判斷 |
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好 要看個案的判斷那當事人講政治獻金也沒有用 對不對不會受到拘束就是在監察院的認知裡頭非選舉期間那老實講 在監察院的認知裡頭非選舉期間也不是你參選的人在你們的認定那個都跟政治獻金就無關喔收受政治獻金不可以收受政治獻金那你們會不會認定他是政治獻金 |
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抱歉委員我們還是要個案才能夠判斷所以有可能要個案要個案好那接下來就是我們這一個所謂的政治獻金有沒有規範到各政黨的黨內初選那個政黨因為可以長期的收政治獻金如果設了專戶以後就可以長期不是我是說政黨內部 |
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內部 如果說是你參選人我們現在只能用期間給他所以如果他的初選期間在比較早不是在可以收政治獻金的期間他就不可以收政治獻金那我收政治獻金來黨內初選可以嗎是不可以的不可以不可以 對就我為了黨內初選我來開個專戶喔我也在你們認定的範圍內喔這樣範圍內當然可以 |
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我可以在範圍內開一個政治現金專戶然後我拿那個錢去參加黨內初選可以 如果說今天他是在我們政治現金可開立專戶的期間那他的這個收的他就可以設專戶收政治現金跟支出這個都不會違法OK 好那我再請教一個問題是監察院可以彈劾立法院的院長嗎那可以彈劾行政院的院長嗎 |
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可以彈劾司法院的院長嗎可以就是立法院不可以是 對 他是民意代表那就是中央及地方的民意代表都不是監察院行使職權的對象不可以提案彈劾立法院院長不可以彈劾立法院院長行政院 司法院 考試院都可以那可以彈劾監察院院長嗎 |
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可以 他也是只要是政務官就是我們職權行使的對象只要有違法行使就是只有立法院院長立法院跟各級地方政府的地方議會中央地方的民意代表都不是監察院的職權行使對象好 那立法院的國會助理立法院的國會助理歸不歸你們管 |
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都不歸監察院管他不是中央或地方的公務員好 謝謝 |