| IVOD_ID |
164122 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164122 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T09:55:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T10:07:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db624b5f269ff50219232e8c280ed77980ffda6f2d8e3477dae539f966d37fd65f05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:55:42 - 10:07:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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現在主席我們請部長部長好在接著剛才蔡先生委員提到的是像這種假訊息是那可以把他的帳號禁止掉嗎 |
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OK 帳號禁止掉的話我們有兩種方式第一個就是說我們如果說有法律的話就是有法源依據的話那我們政府就可以通知這些不管是Meta或者Google請他們把這個移除掉那另外還有一個方式是什麼就是像這個Meta Facebook它本身有它的社群守則那它這個社群守則因為它是一個商業機構它事實上 |
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是不需要法源依據的那如果說我們有提出能有一些那個就是合理的要求的話我們可以跟他溝通剛才那個已經禁掉了嗎是剛才蔡啟昌委員問到那個假訊息的那個點五那個已經禁掉了嗎那個就是很討厭就是說他因為他那個在言論自由因為我 |
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就是說這個言論自由範圍的問題這個事情我們實在是台灣作為一個自由民主法治的國家我們雖然對這種行為很不滿意你那邊有沒有AI可以統計這一個塑形不良經常有假訊息你比如說假訊息你是 |
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一哥你是查詢錯誤那查詢錯誤也許我可以原諒你查詢錯誤但是一次 兩次 三次 四次 五次都是藉著假訊息來增加聲量這個已經變成是惡意的用錯誤資訊去誤導民眾那這個司法部還不能處理嗎 |
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第一個就是我們用違反社群守則的原因去向META投訴但是以這個案例來講的話META是認為說他並沒有違反這個社群守則所以比較麻煩假訊息為什麼沒有 這不是要證明或者是說到底要怎麼去溝通假訊息其實最麻煩的事情是在於說由誰來判定訊息的真假像這個已經是事實了 |
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剛問的就是說陳傑憲哪有問題那他們還在打球他現在用肯定去說他有問題那很明顯的這個就是跟事實不符那這個假訊息還需要判斷是真是假只要呈上事實的東西就可以確定它是假訊息 |
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是 對於假訊息的處理我們是認為說假訊訊息的真假不應該由政府來判斷因為這是民主國家裡面一個通常就是一個原則就是政府對於言論自由的保護但是我們的方法我們是希望盡量有一些NGO我覺得 |
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NGO也好 速發部也好這個政府要有個單位來看push比如說NGO我們可以push他們來成立或者是怎麼做至少說政府有想法有做法而不是說這個政府他就擺爛位置擺爛 |
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對 這個問題就是NGO像說台灣有事實查核中心有一個賣骨盆還有那個假訊息他們NGO跟政府有聯繫政府跟平台Meta他們有聯繫像這個具體的假訊息就可以把它撤銷掉那什麼時候可以做完產 |
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現在這些事情都有在進行但是比較麻煩的事情是因為這些NGO他的能量太小他每個禮拜能處理的訊息數量很少然後他的處理速度太慢所以我們政府要做的事情就想辦法來幫這些NGO我知道你的意思啦我是覺得像我之前質詢過的這個詐騙的訊息這個就有可能犯罪了 |
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是 沒錯所以你看我在112年 113年3月跟我 我都是後來我們通過這個電子簽章法對不對為什麼要去下架這些詐騙廣告是 |
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因為他就是很明顯就是詐騙沒錯沒錯是好很明顯的詐騙你今天政府可以出手出手不能出手的有一些好像那個假訊息民間的NGO可以出手政府可以協助去幫他們募資源也好讓他們成為一個有利的NGO這個東西我們總是怎麼樣想辦法去幫助台灣要杜絕這一種不好的東西 |
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是 完全同意那詐騙 如果是詐騙的現在已經有法律可以處理了嘛對不對對好 那個四叉貓是四叉貓 你看這個其實還蠻特別的是林毓宏 林北好友是然後跟國民黨許哲斌合作然後去直播給黃國昌看是然後這個李威爾 |
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用牛皮紙袋裝著鞍土跟空殼送給立院黃國昌直接報警是這個吳政軒剛剛那個旗參委員也有問到是他自己內部的人然後又自己內部當駭客是所以這全部都是自導自演當然現在黃國昌切割啦是 |
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但是你們科技部就他們的連續的資料有沒有辦法去查到人家是詐騙集團有詐騙集團的首腦這駭客集團有駭客集團的首腦黃國昌就是駭客集團的首腦你們沒辦法把這個蛛絲馬金農中查出來甚至說他這個賬號以後就把它禁止掉 |
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以這個央廣的這個事件來講的話我們抒發部在接到那個央廣通報以後就派人員進去查我們的確查到很多很奇怪的事情就是涉案的人員他自己就開了很多的帳號而且他本身他就是網站的管理人員所以他事實上那個最高權限的那些帳號其實他都有所以你看你看這一張那個圖裡面他還問說老師好又有案子可以讓你公審了是 |
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他問說有沒有辦法可以協助這是他們裡面的人自己傳出來的你看另外一頁黃國昌的你看林北豪有那一張你可以看這些他自導自演自導自演現在林立宏當時好像被縮壓境界 |
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現在不知道到什麼地方去了啦這個李威爾其實應該也是黃國昌的粉絲啦那為了讓他爆料結果黃國昌直接報警後來這個李威爾被判拘役好像不知道幾天啦那這個吳振勳這個看起來就是內部的人那其實他們 |
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我在想因為因為他們背後就是其實這都是紅國昌在後面有一個偷拍部隊偷拍艙之外又有一個駭客部隊駭客艙這個我們都沒有辦法從我們的書法部這你們最厲害的你們如果把這個整個連結怎麼樣去把它 |
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找出來具體的事實是我們速發部在這個事件上我們負責是科技的部分那我們就想辦法去收集各種的跡證然後迅速的把這個漏洞補下來補起來然後我們把所有這些事實交給內政部的檢調單位還有那個因為央廣是文化部所主管的我的意思就是說你的NGO或者是速發部可以做NGO可以做都好啦是 |
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這個許哲斌據說有1000個帳號啦是然後你再來看館長那一張這個館長可以直言說要斬首總統這個網路不能禁掉嗎 |
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是 這個就是說像這種事情就是說會由法院或者是檢調那邊他們來主導這個事情那我們抒發部最重要做的事情就是執行那我們確定說如果說譬如說法院通知我們的話我們絕對會就可以配合辦法院已經在辦了嘛這是法院的事嘛斬首總統這種直播是不是已經是事實了這還是言論自由嗎 |
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這個還是必須由法院來判斷因為不能直接由速發部因為我們是行政機關而且速發部的所以你們都一直要等到法院最後的定案之後你們才能處理像這個斬首總統這個就直接把他的帳號禁掉就好了啦是不是可以跟Meta跟這些網路平台溝通說說這個我會問你年輕人如果學怎麼辦 |
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是 那個我們現在行政院有那個國安法跟社會法照理說我們可以用那個國安法跟社會法來進行一些管制不過這個國安法這個你看了真的是很生氣這個都是做派蒙英年輕人看是 |
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這個我們可以處理的就盡快處理你要等到法院搞不好要一年兩年我不知道幾年了是我們會盡量跟那個行政院其他的部會協同看說需要修法的就修法包含剛剛我們講的國安法跟社委法等等那希望所以總而言之那個部長我覺得我們要有所作為是而怎麼樣有所作為不管是政府的作為或者是NGO的作為但是這個 |
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在跟這個平台或者是在做這個相關的溝通的時候你比如說你平台也可以說你現在暫時不能說馬上判斷BAN掉他的那個帳號不然你那個演算法可以降低他的流量嘛是是都至少的就是樹化部這是國家這個部分最強的一個單位嘛 |
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最成一個單位要有所作為要怎麼樣有所作為吧像這種很明顯的詐騙很明顯的駭客很明顯的說要轉手總統這種人再不能動那國家就認這些人作亂啊所以我是建議就是說數學部總是 |
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要有個具體的想法跟做法讓我們知道然後你具體的做法跟平台溝通的怎麼樣至少平台也認為這種我是覺得斬首裝聾這一句話很明顯就可以把他禁止掉了還有什麼考量的這個應該是已經違反了他們的社群手段這個其實現在還在啊什麼時候可以把他禁止掉我們會盡快去去跟Meta溝通是在Meta上位嗎 |
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YouTube上面那應該要去跟Google溝通其實你們就是我的意思就是說像這一種言論的那塑化部的敏感度應該要高一點那塑化部跟相關的單位的聯繫應該要快一點強一點那處理的具體的行動也讓我們比較快能夠看得到是謝謝我看了這個你跟不上去嗎對啊看了真的是很生氣哪有這一種人啊 |
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這我們還不能處理這請速發部跟我們徐委員我們盡快能夠找出那個方法然後告訴我們結果這樣好不好好謝謝 |