| IVOD_ID |
16412 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16412 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-25T08:31:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-25T12:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:23:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ef4b79b998fff709f0cc1067dc387cc1f6d1319bf84c91682651b5fdaefb6d0235ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「菸酒稅法」10案：
(一)行政院函請審議、本院委員李柏毅等16人、委員賴惠員等16人、委員郭國文等18人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別擬具「菸酒稅法部分條文修正草案」等5案。【本院委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
(二)本院委員徐巧芯等29人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條條文修正草案」案。
(三)本院委員賴士葆等27人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等20人、委員張智倫等18人分別擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條及第二十一條條文修正草案」等3案。
(四)本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查「使用牌照稅法」8案：
(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員賴士葆等24人、委員陳菁徽等17人、委員張智倫等18人、委員陳素月等19人、委員賴惠員等17人、委員郭國文等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第二十九條、第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草案」等7案。
(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「使用牌照稅法第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查行政院函請審議、本院委員賴士葆等21人、委員林楚茵等18人、委員徐巧芯等27人、委員賴惠員等17人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「土地稅法第五十四條條文修正草案」等6案。
四、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：12月24日(二)中午12時】
【12月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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好,請組密報告出席委員人數 |
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包括委員會出席委員與處罰定人數好,現在宣布開始開會請議事人員先讀上一次的會議議事錄立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國113年12月23日星期一九十二分至十二十四分地點群泉樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福等13人、列席委員鄭正前等7人請教委員一人列席官員財政部專務次長阮清華 |
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經院監督管理委員會副主任委員陳彥洋等主席賴昭景委員會員包括事項、宣讀上次會議議事錄決定、議事錄確定邀請財政部莊部長翠穎、經院監督管理委員會彭主任委員金融、舊兆豐金礦及台灣證券交易所投資之臺北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效 |
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2025年度經營計畫與展望暨跨年晚會煙火表演規劃進行專題報告並被質詢經財政部政務次長阮清華、金融監督管理委員會副主任委員陳彥良分別提出報告後藉由委員林德福等14人提出質詢經經財政部政務次長阮清華等予以答覆決定 |
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一、報告及詢答完畢二、委員執行會及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於一週內以書面答覆委員密要求其見者從即鎖定三、委員王洪輝、陳一貞所提書面執行列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆宣導完畢好,各位委員請問對議事錄有沒有異議 |
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台灣事項依審查《菸酒稅法》10案依行政院函金審議本院委員李柏毅等16人、委員賴惠員等16人、委員郭文等18人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別擬具《菸酒稅法》 |
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二、本院委員徐曉欣等29人擬具:「菸酒稅法第19條條文修正草案案。」三、本院委員賴世保等27人、委員吳立華等20人、委員張志仁等18人分別擬具:「菸酒稅法第19條及第21條條文修正草案案。」等3案。 |
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1852.751 |
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四、本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具《菸酒稅法》第19條及第二三條條文修正草案。二、審查使用牌照稅法8案。一、行政院函請審議、本院委員賴世寶等24人、委員陳金輝等17人、委員張志倫等18人、委員陳樹惠等19人、 |
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1859.198 |
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1885.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
委員賴惠員等17人、委員郭國文等16人分別擬具使用牌照稅法第29條、第30條及第31條條案修正草案等7案二、本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具使用牌照稅法第30條及第31條條案修正草案三、審查行政函請審議本院委員賴世保等21人、委員林儲英等18人、委員徐巧興等27人、委員賴惠員等17人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具土地稅法第54條條案修正草案等6案 |
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1886.255 |
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1914.175 |
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是審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於財政部主管中國輸出銀行臺灣金融控股股份有限公司含臺灣銀行股份有限公司臺銀人壽保險股份有限公司臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司宣告完畢好謝謝那接著我先介紹一下已經到了議場的那個委員首先首先介紹吳秉瑞委員 |
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1918.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1932.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
賴思寶委員林德虎委員接著我們介紹財政部莊部長會計處理處長法治市防護處長人事處張處長國庫署陳署長 |
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1949.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1974.06 |
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負稅署宋署長官務署彭署長國有財產署曾署長財政資料中心張主任中國輸營我們的代理事長、理事主席謝總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1977.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1983.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
臺灣金控林董事長施總經理臺灣銀行吳嘉曉吳總經理臺銀人壽張董事長劉總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2005.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2033.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長臺銀綜合證券許董事長 |
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2038.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2053.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
公路局副科長、內政部地政司陳專門委員、衛福部國民健康署劉檢任記證接著介紹法務部林參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2062.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2074.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
那也介紹我們行政院主計總處我們的黃專委公務預算處我們的吳專委台北市稅監處我們的管副處長新北市稅監處我們的陳副處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2093.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2109.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
桃園稅務局許護局長台中市檢護局長台南市政府財稅局李健賢局長高雄市稅監機處曾處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2116.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2138.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
好,接著我們本次會議安排審查一、行政院函請審議、委員李柏毅等16人分別擬具那個菸酒稅、稅法部分條文修正草案等10條第二、行政院函請審議、委員賴思寶等24人分別擬具使用牌照稅法第29條、第30條、第31條條文修正草案等8案 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2144.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2162.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
行政院函請審議、委員賴思寶等21人分別擬具土地稅法第54條條文修正草案等6案是中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分有關財政部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2163.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2187.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
中國輸入銀行、臺灣金融控股公司、臺灣銀行、臺銀人壽保險公司、臺銀綜合證券公司先請提案委員做提案的要旨說明再請財政部莊部長說明依算內容跟提案的一個要旨並回應這次委員提案的內容首先我們先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2191.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2216.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2218.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2229.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
謝謝主席 各位先進我三個案子一起講啦齁齁 這個時間就我會盡量不受限如果三個就9分鐘 不能9分鐘了來不及3分鐘齁那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2233.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2255.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
第一個針對這個菸酒稅法主要是因為納稅義務人對於菸酒稅跟菸品健康服役捐沒有按照規定繳納者無法審酌勤解的處罰目前是至少採取一倍以上的處罰方式但是對於個案的處罰法律並沒有適當的調整 |
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2257.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2284.855 |
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對於人民受到憲法第15條保障的財產權所限制顯然不符合妥當性以及憲法第23條的比重比例原則也不符合所以呢這個另外米酒並沒有按照專賣的價格出售的違法也在91年已經廢止了菸酒專賣制度過度的處罰所以 |
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2285.935 |
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2312.166 |
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這個今審73個案子都一樣就是把它那個處罰的倍數比較有彈性一點比如說《菸酒稅法》第19條、21條裡面原本19條是三倍以下是一倍到三倍最少罰一倍那我把它改成三倍以下三倍以下讓這個執法者比較有點彈性至於第二個案子有關於使用牌照稅 |
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2313.146 |
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2333.98 |
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也是一樣根據剛剛提到的就是憲法第15條的保障財產權的限制以及憲法23條的比例原則不符所以我把它改成這個現行違反29條違反11條規定的話稅額是一倍的罰款我把它改成一倍以下 |
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2335.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2337.883 |
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三十條也是處罰一倍以下第三個案子也是根據憲法第15條跟23條的相關限制對於《土地稅法》54條的條文修正案 |
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2355.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2368.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
議員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘 |
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2374.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2375.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2399.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2422.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這一部分能夠稍微有點彈性﹖可以降低一點﹖也降低人民的負擔我想我的報告三個案子都很簡單一個概念憲法15條跟憲法23條的概念請各位指教也請各位支持謝謝好 謝謝賴司法委員非常精準的提案說明接著我們請吳立法委員提案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2424.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2443.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
吳立法不在陳一貞委員提案說明陳一貞委員不在李柏毅委員提案說明李柏毅委員不在吳清明委員提案說明吳清明委員不在習曉新委員提案說明習曉新委員不在張志倫委員提案說明提案張志倫不在接著我們請陳慶輝委員提案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2455.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2474.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
主席、各位委員、各位官員大家早安以下是本席關於使用牌照稅第29條、第30條以及第31條條文修正草案的提案說明憲法第15條規定人民之生存權、工作權以及財產權均需予以保障其中國家對人民財產權的限制應該符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2476.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2491.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
憲法第23條之比例原則對於人民違反行政法上義務之行為處以罰還涉及人民財產權的限制其處罰輕重應就根據違反情節的輕重程度預留情節處罰的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2493.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2520.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
再者根據113年最高行政法院第78號判決表示行政法法第18條第11項規定財處罰還因審酌違反行政法上義務行為因受責難的程度所產生的影響以及違反行政法上義務所得的利益並得考量受處罰者的資歷也就是資產以及他的能力所以行政機關為財罰處分時 |
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2523.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2539.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
因依照具體個案的情節為考量和裁量才能符合法律授權裁量之本意然而並且隨著社會的發展交通工具及稅務情況更加的多樣化所以本席認為固定倍數的 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2539.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2554.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
此法款恐無法再適應。舉凡民眾僅是未領取臨時或者是車子的牌照、新購的交通工具未領牌等等行為,均被裁罰固定的法款卻有不合理之情形,為避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2555.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2584.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
財法規定過於僵化而且苛刻並且賦予稽查機關更多彈性的裁量空間因此本席提案修正本法第29條、第30條以及第31條以及提高稅務執行之公平性並保護納稅人之權益。謝謝好接著我們請陳樹業委員提案說明陳樹業委員不在接著我們請林楚英委員提案說明林楚英委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2594.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2619.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
請賴會委員做提案說明好 謝謝主席這真的土地稅法由於土地稅法的制定的當初並未考量到個案違規的一個情況的嚴重性對於未完成辦理前例轉移的登記在行出售的土地的出售的案件一例處罰出售轉移限值的2%以先華保障人民財產權的一個 |
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2621.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2646.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
議址是不符的：同時也有剝奪行政機關依據個案情況使用財產權那決定個案處罰的程度的疑慮因此本席提出將本法的第54條的第二項法研規定在行出售轉移限制的2%修正為2%以下針對的財產基準表裡頭由主管機關依據案件的情節的輕重 |
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2647.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2674.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
定名以稅務的違章案件的財劃金額和倍數來作參考。至於就是《菸酒稅法》由於現行的《菸酒稅法》關於納稅義務人的逃漏稅、菸酒稅及菸品健康福利稅的一個財儲法源一律都是處於最低的一倍的滯納金規定,有侵害到民眾憲法保障的財產權及剝奪行政機關依照個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2677.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2691.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
情節輕重調整裁劃弧度的裁量權違反權利分立的嚴整有修正的必要同時因為檢討不符合實意的罰則希望配合稅監 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2694.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2712.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
稅金積增法的一個修正一起繳納菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐因加徵致納金的一個規定與符合法規的一個一致性那接著就是使用牌照稅法建議現行的使用牌照稅法的第29、30、31條的一個處罰的規定 |
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2718.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2746.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
規範、經衛、考量各案的違規情節的嚴重一例處於一定的一個華園以憲法保障人民財產的意旨不符並有剝奪行政機關依據各案情節重新再去調整公平的一個判斷的一例故提案修正上面的三條條文以彰顯憲法保障人權跟權力的一個分立的精神謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2749.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2751.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
好 謝謝現在請財政部莊部長說明並回應委員提案內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2762.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2786.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
主席、各位委員先進,大家早今天貴委員審查行政委員會審查行政院函請審議的《菸酒稅法部分條文》以及《使用牌照稅法》第29條、30條、31條條文的修正草案還有《土地稅法》第54條條文的修正草案以及大院委員所擬具的《菸酒稅法》、《使用牌照稅法》、《土地稅法》等相關條文總共有21案 |
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2787.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2807.092 |
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那我接下來我們做一個簡要的報告對於本次修正的重點請各位委員看我們的書面報告那我這裡做一個綜合簡要報告這一次的修法主要是為了賦予基層機關可以審酌具體各案的違章情節而給予不同的程度處罰的一個裁量權 |
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2808.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2829.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這是保障納稅義務人的權益所以我們這次把相關按照固定的倍數以及比率固定比率的財法的規定我們把它修正為按彈性的倍數以及比率來計算那麼有助於維護租稅的公平以及兼顧納稅者的權益相關委員也都有提修法的草案 |
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2829.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2857.102 |
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各委員所擬具的《菸酒稅法》、《使用牌照稅法》以及《土地稅法》相關條文的修正草案剛剛也聽到委員們的一個說明我們用修正意旨基本上和行政院的版本大致相同至於在裁罰的倍數、比率以及要件的文字略有一些差異在這裡我們還是建請能夠支持行政院的版本來維持各個稅務處罰法制體力的一個一致性以上的報告以及說明敬請各委員指教 |
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2857.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
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另外請示主席的就是說今天還要審查我們中國輸出入銀行以及臺灣金控我是不是一併在這邊做報告是謝謝委員那麼今天貴委員會要審查我們中國輸出入銀行還有臺灣金控股份有限公司包含了我們臺灣銀行、臺銀人壽以及臺銀綜合證券公司的114年度的營業的預算那在這裡呢我請就他們的一個業務重點以及預算的編列情形做一個重要的說明 |
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首先是中國輸出入銀行的部分在114年預計的販款營運量是1830億那輸出保險營運量是1950億保證營運量是378億那在於本期的淨利是11億元那麼交113年度的預算數8.4億元是成長了32% |
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第2個部分是固定資產建設改良以及擴充編列0.36億元主要是資訊設備的擴充汰換還有總行營運廳設的一個修繕還有公務車以及辦公設備的汰換所需要第3個又為了強化該行的融資的功能支援我國拓展海外經貿活動量能的政策任務 |
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根據行政院合定的增資計劃從112年度到116年度分年增資100億元114年度由國庫現金增資20億元第二部分是有關臺灣金控股份有限公司等部分預計放款營運量3兆1459億存款營運量4兆5632億採購營運量386億貴金屬營運量1330億保險營運量410億 |
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政卷經濟營運量1兆3千億本期淨利114.86億元比113年度預算數成長14.88%有關固定資產建設改良及擴充編列14.4億元主要是資訊設備的擴充、汰換以及營業聽測的興建以及整修所需要以上報告敬請各位委員能夠支持、指教。謝謝 |
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現在開始詢答先作以下的一個先告每位出席的委員花言的時間是8分鐘必要的時候得延長2分鐘每位列席的委員花言時間是5分鐘今天上午10點截止花言的登記現在依登記的順序請登記第一位的林德胡委員質詢 |
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謝謝,謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長是,請莊部長委員早部長早我請教因為星期一啊您跟主記長陳淑芝在行政院開記者會那因為財務法過了以後那你們開記者會那我請教你 |
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今天的預算要不要重編你跟主計長共同的一個看法要不要重編你告訴我 |
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委員報告114年度的預算行政院已經送立法院那目前立法院也都在審議當中那這個有關財化法經過三讀通過以後整個對中央施政的一個相關治案我們會跟主席已經跟主席總署在我只要請問你你告訴我要不要重編嘛你要重編的話就不要再審了嘛對不對你不重編繼續審重編的話就不要審那等於是 |
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這個是一個等於是憲政的爭議餒對不對允許憲政爭議餒114年的就在下個禮拜就開始了那怎麼從邊那整個中央的施政要怎麼樣推動那除了中央之外其實還有地方的預算 |
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同樣他們都已經完成相關的審議在我們所知22個縣市大概只剩下4個還是3個縣市沒有完成審議我想這個部分知識體大我們也跟主總在這商量以及會跟行政院一起來討論有關憲政上的相關行政救濟的一些措施那各種措施我們都在評估那你認為要不要重編你告訴我就好跟委員報告就是還是我們這個部分對相關的救濟措施都還在評估當中 |
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所以說114年其實已經在下個禮拜就要開始了那你認為目前還未定數就對了啦是不是那你不要說你到時候從偏那你等於是把這些委員當什麼讓你們耍來耍去三讀通過的你們可以任意說我預算從偏現在都在審對不對 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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我認為說知識體大部長任何事情你要深思熟慮當然我們一定是深思熟慮 |
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行政機關從來不會為所欲為 |
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部長針對川普上任後的可能推動的稅務措施從總體經濟面的風險面向來看金融業必須面臨關稅提高甚至於通膨以及高利率期間更久的這些挑戰上個禮拜央行李建世會這個楊總裁也提到美國經貿政策是明年國內經濟成長的重要變數 |
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雖然暫時沒有辦法把這些稍微開始政策憑空放到預測裡面但是他說可能明年第二季、第三季就會有一些變化那針對楊總裁預期可能明年第二、第三季的變化請問部長如果川普政策成真金融業要怎麼來面對關稅與高利率的負面影響 |
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有關於川普在1月20號上任以後他在相關的稅率的政策上不管是關稅也好、國內的稅也好甚至其他的例如說利率相關的一些政策是他在選舉期間的言論至於他就任以後各項稅務的政策 |
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什麼時候落實實施以及它的強度如何以及對應的相關國家其實大家都還在密切的關注那行政部門也都非常審慎的在持續的觀察行政院也有專案的小組會議那我們會在這裡面相關部會都會在裡面做討論 |
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部長 列出時經管會拜訪財政部媒體報導與會的官員的轉述經管會有三個議題包括臺商擔心海外資金匯回的課稅問題還有境外金融中心租稅優惠 |
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以及國際保險業務公司 租稅優惠那我請問部長當時會談的三個議題是不是和川普上任可能減稅以及提高關稅有直接的關係主要經管會那天到財政部我們一起做會談主要是因為經管會目前在積極推奏 |
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推動亞洲資產管理中心那相關的業務呢儘管會積極推動但是這些業務裡面會涉及到稅務的部分他們來做一個瞭解那財政部也就這裡面的有關稅務的部分跟他們做說明以及對於現在在稅制上的一些規定我們也是在會後提供讓他們去了解那這樣他們在推動的時候對稅務上的一些才會有所疑 |
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理解那也可以對外做一個說明我們就最主要那一天是相互做一個會談是瞭解一些付稅上目前現行的一些規定主要是這樣子因為對於這些議題涉及租稅優惠、減免課稅我請問部長你認為應該要堅持財政部的立場還是可以考慮降稅因應 |
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現行我們的租稅已經有很多已經有一些合適的租稅優惠的措施那這些優惠的措施我們也會一併提供給經管會讓他們去了解說在推動這些業務的時候現行的租稅優惠措施是可以運用的我想這個部分是財政部一直在跟經管會也在說明的部分因為經管會有時候在稅的部分因為他不是那麼了解的部分我們都會提供是 |
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那你認為要是對這些議題如果給予負稅上優惠的適用你認為會不會發生因為稅收優惠造成資源分配被排擠的疑慮會不會對於要提出來主張要租稅優惠的部分財政部當然會審慎的評估做各個面向不管是租稅公平也好是國家財政的面向也好以及它的有效性在哪裡都會要做詳細的評估的部長 |
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針對臺美租稅協定的進度財政部國財司表示10月底美國啟動諮商開始財政部與華虎有對等的諮商討論那面對面討論租稅協定的事宜部長 |
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因為臺美租稅協定去年中你就說希望下半年可以展開諮商結果拖了一年才開始進入實體的諮商那我請問因為民主黨的拜登政府和政黨輪替上任的共和黨川普政府你認為美國哪個政黨的諮商的難度高 |
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對於有關臺美之間簽訂租稅避免雙重課稅這個事情不管是共和黨跟民主黨他們在國會裡面都是支持的因此今年在1月的時候兩個法案就是快速解免法案以及授權法案是無意通過那只是在參院的時候因為包裹法案其中的一個法案有法條 |
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因為部分的委員有一些不同的意見以至於我們因為在這個包裹裡面沒有能夠進行﹖所以說你認為應該不會有變數之類的我們一直都在持續性的進行技術性的協商我們的國財司跟對方的財政部一直就法條的技術性的部分一直都有在進行 |
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今年是有進一步的在做討論不管在討論的時候我們都是以美國稅約的範本來做一個藍本進行討論的因為美國大選後總統、國會都換黨執政以目前美國的整個狀況進入實體諮商後你認為推動洽簽會有哪些變數?會不會有變數?我想這個不管是美國的 |
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以及臺灣我們這邊的跨境投資的以及相關的一些人民也好、企業也好都期待避免雙重課稅這個協定能夠趕快簽署比如像美國的企業如美臺商會還有臺美商會以及我國企業就是包括中華民國的全國工業總會、中華民國的工商協定協會都希望雙方能夠盡快簽訂我想這是我們一向期待的 |
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以目前川普選前對台灣的態度 |
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這個從要求支付更多保護費到聲稱臺灣偷走美國半導體的產業那請問部長你會不會擔憂這個臺美租稅協定洽簽進度有可能受影響甚至於繼續的延宕下去你認為會不會我覺得這個是對雙方都有利不管是我們臺灣去供應鏈到美國去投資或者是美國到臺灣來投資這個稅雙方都有利避免 |
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| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
所謂的被雙重課稅 |
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但是我認為這個未來還未知數我認為這個是真的需要去以部長你一年當過一年因為去年說今年年底一定會洽簽但是還是在拖 |
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這涉及到美國內部的一些情勢因為他們今年的年底有大選這個部分那對我們來說財政部跟美方財政部一直在進行技術性的一些協商因為不管要簽訂協定一定會對雙方的一些國內的稅法都要進行瞭解這是前置作業希望能夠順利洽簽當然也是希望謝謝我們跟外交部也都一起在努力謝謝委員的關心好謝謝德夫委員接著請吳秉瑞委員花言 |
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主席麻煩請臺灣軍控林董事長跟台銀人壽張董事長好臺灣軍控林董事長還有臺灣台銀人壽張總經理張董事長 |
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3751.481 |
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早想要請教臺銀人壽過去這段期間幾乎年年都是虧損那明年也是照報告的話據計稅後虧損5億多那為什麼獨獨今年113年度能夠盈餘16億這個是不是回答一下 |
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跟委員報告一下其實台銀人壽的部分去年是有一個虧損那虧損是因為在去年年底的時候呢那個台幣呢有大幅的變動所以造成一些會對上的一些損失平價的損失所以去年是一個虧損但是它前年是獲利的所以111年是獲利的112年去年是虧損對啊但是你們113年是預計要獲利16億啊 |
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對,到今天為止它還是呈現一個獲利的狀況那如果到年底整個新台幣的匯率沒有太大變動的話那今年預計它還是可以呈現一個獲利的情形那原因就是純粹都是因為匯率的變化嗎?那倒不是,因為 |
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3801.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3828.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我們整個這個台銀人壽呢我想這個大院非常的支持尤其在財委會審查預算的時候呢那對我們台銀人壽呢持續幾年來呢都有不斷的一個增資那這增資的狀況呢就會讓我們台銀人壽呢他對這個法定的一些要求就是RBC的要求呢達到法定的水準所以台銀人壽呢就開發出了一些適合我們一些客群的一些商品那這幾年也不斷的努力那因為有新產品的開發 |
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那如果是這樣的話那今年既然可以獲利16億為什麼明年就要賣到15億多 |
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3842.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3860.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
因為今年獲利還有蠻多的狀況就是我們的保費的收入除了去支應保護的一些支出以外其實我們必須要去做一些財務的投資財務的投資因為國內的投資的比例是相對比較低大部分都是海外的投資海外的投資就會受到利率匯率變動的影響非常的大 |
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3862.473 |
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3887.094 |
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今年整個操作的狀況、結果我們有做一些適當的避險操作的績效也不錯所以今年有獲利的情形但是明年整個經濟的情勢我們是很難預估尤其川普上任之後整個匯率、利率、通膨等等各方面的狀況其實比較難以預估張董事長我請教你美元升值是對你們獲利比較有利還是比較有害? |
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3888.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3912.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
美元升值對我們人壽比較有利,因為海外市場比較多那我跟你講明年美元還會升值啦謝謝委員這是我的預判啦,我認為我預判的可能性很大所以其實真的不用說在那邊什麼以美論啦川普所謂的保護費也不是真的跟你收錢的意思而是你台灣要為自己保衛自己要多增加你自己保衛自己的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
3913.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3914.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
3930.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3958.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那明年你也想辦法把它做成獲利啊為什麼你自己的預算明年就要把它獲利變成虧損5億多呢?跟委員報告因為2014年的那個預算是2012年編的那2012年的時候那邊的時候那個台美利差比較大所以說那個避險費用的工具成本非常大像去年我們人數就花58億那今年會超過60億所以那時候在估後年的那個這樣的一個台美利差的水準所以那113年他沒有估嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
3960.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3982.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
有顧,但是我們今年在股票市場的操作技巧比較好所以 cover 這邊的一個避險費用所以你的意思說你明年無論是在股票市場的操作或是在避險上面所需要的支出你都比較沒有信心在今年獲利16億的狀況下明年要買那15億多沒有沒有,那個是預算,但是我們實際營運上那112年的時候你有在擔任這個職務嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3996.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我是去年那個8月25號所以你是對你自己未來執行有信心那請問114年的預算是112年編的對你的部分要看到115年才是你編的囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
4000.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4020.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
2015年剛好我們IFAS及ICS接軌所以說那個這樣的數字的話我們還是要跟那個顧問在這邊討論我的想法是這樣啦既然你今年能夠盈餘那是非常可喜可賀因為政府不斷的給你增資財委也不斷給你支持你們已經總共已經政府已經增資增資加到今年這100億已經500多億了啦那 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
4023.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4047.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
好不容易今年可以贏於16億可喜可賀啊但是明年希望也至少也看到plus嘛不要說一個-5億多就放在前面然後現在叫我們在那邊我們這樣看起來是很傷心捏啊你要對自己這麼年輕對自己未來的經營系校有更多的信心好不好有謝謝委員的指正沒問題謝謝那我再請林董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
4051.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4054.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
4065.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4086.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
9間只有你們這3家是百分之百純公股那其他的就是有股票上市公司那你可不可以跟我講說你們的銀行員的待遇還有你們員工的待遇跟其他那一些有民營股份上市的公股銀行所謂的泛公股銀行之間的差距 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
4087.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
4115.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
差距蠻大的講幾個來聽聽看簡單的講光是這個獎金的部分獎金的部分大概因為我們受限到這個大概一些規範那尤其在我們這個獎金目前是4.4個月上限那如果是其他的飯工股的話我想就是績效好的話大概平均都可以達到7、8個月這個大概是平均數這個是飯工股的狀況那如果是純民營的話那就更好那你有沒有希望要提高啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
4116.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
4131.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我們當然是希望提高啊那除了這個還有沒有別的啊還有啊,譬如說員工持股信託那因為我們三家全部都是國營的股票全部都是股東是唯一嘛,就是財政部那財政部不可能私股給我們員工所以我們也希望如果員工持股信託的話我們至少呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
4131.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
4132.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
則不予審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
4153.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
4153.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
4173.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
4196.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
財政部的營利事業查核準則免稅額3000塊如果還要比照其他的純民營的話純民營大概都是6000塊左右先不用比純民營,先比空股銀行就好基本上來講大概就這幾點那比如說還有我們的台銀人壽我們台銀人壽其實要招聘一些精算師其實也是非常困難因為我們的薪資大概跟民營的是不太能夠比 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
4196.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
4219.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
那民營的部分如果有招聘精算師的話至少每個月都會有精算師的一個加級那這個加級的額度是非常客觀的這部分我們大概也沒有那代理是主席,你們遇到的狀況呢?跟台銀差不多?報告委員跟待遇、福利、獎金等都跟台銀這裡雷同那請財政部莊部長好,請財政部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
4226.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
4234.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
副部長他們3家是純公股100%那其他的還有6家犯公股嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
4235.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
4258.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
當然不能夠完全說一模一樣的比對啦,制度上有一些差異的地方我們念法律的人是相同的狀況要相同的處理不同的狀況做不同的處理,這樣才合理啦那不能說因為我的銀行是100%供股,那我就跟犯供股有這麼大的差距他剛剛講到的有好幾樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
4260.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
4268.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
例如說少子化、補助生育的問題、伙食費的問題、年終獎金當然這個是比較高的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
4269.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
4291.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
是不是盡量去想辦法至少能夠拉﹐把這個跟反攻股應當之間的差距給拉小﹐給縮小是﹐對委員這個看法我們也完全認同為了要吸引人才、留住人才提高我們國營金融事業的員工的福利也是我們一直在努力的那我們會跟人事總處這邊再來繼續討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
4293.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
4313.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
也就是在制度面之外如果有可以做彈性調整的部分我們也可以調整那比如說在107年的時候我們對於國營事業這個部分的員工的薪水的部分已經跟公務員的薪資脫鉤讓他們可以按照績效來做調薪那到目前為止調的幅度也比公務員來得高到幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
4314.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
4318.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
已經調到將近15%公務員大概是8%那在福利的部分剛剛董事長也說了相關的項目以及委員也提到我想就財政部立場當然我們是支持這樣的一個看法讓人才可以留住而且可以吸引更好的人才那我們會在制度以及法律可行的情況下盡量來協助來做支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
4336.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
4336.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
臺銀人壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
4352.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
4377.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
在這個地方12年了今年第13年很少看到他盈餘今年有盈餘我心裡是非常替他高興但是我希望這個盈餘能夠往之後能夠來繼續啦好不好那所以對於表現優秀的員工也是應該給予適度的鼓勵如果這個待遇的落差太大也會打擊士氣所以我們大家一起努力好不好好謝謝委員支持謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
4381.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
4382.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
主席各位先進有請財政部的莊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
4408.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4434.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
這個報告主席這個時間稍微暫停一下我一個權宜問題好權宜問題李柏毅這個主席你這個英明的一個排案排完部長來結果部長不來跑去行政院開會罵立法院這是哪門子的邏輯啊在立法院那裡跑去行政院這樣大罵我們立法院這邏輯不通啊這違反違反倫理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
4435.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
4455.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
這裡面來講的話對不起你要對人民負責啊你怎麼跑去行政院裡面開記者會來罵我們呢怎麼會這是哪門子的哪門子的而且是這個主席讓你去做這個事情然後留個軟車長軟車長一人上不知知之無的什麼都不知道他不是部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
4457.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4480.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
部長以後要罵立法院可以你不要在我們開會的時間嘛拜託主席要讓他去罵立法院的話立法排時間你來排一個衝突的時間啦我就正式表達嚴重抗議啦這個讓你這樣跑去行政院跟主席長兩個人一起罵立法院我們同共的財報啊我表達嚴重抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
4482.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4483.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
財政部長李柏惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
4495.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4519.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
那個第二天的幾個大報紙這麼大版面那個槍口對準立法院這是哪門子啊你又對我們負責欸怎麼來當場這個樣子部長不宜喔這個下不為理喔委員你可以看喔我們上個會期都已經決定了你要提草案法的版本也沒有提到現在為止然後在那裡講這個講那個講一堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
4523.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4528.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
總預算要重編嗎?請問你確定一下我們從來沒有說總預算重編從來沒有說的媒體的小姐先生你們亂寫的啦沒有重編啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
4541.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
4547.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
沒有重編那就很簡單了我們超收5000億、撥3753億就解決了吧這個可不可以這樣解決?可不可以?委員﹖可不可以?請問您沒有所謂超收我們事實上是113年的稅客收入比預算書高那即使5000億裡面還有是屬於地方的部分並不全屬中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
4564.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
4565.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
審議員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
4584.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4599.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
因為時增數超過預算數並不是每年都是如此的我想不是這樣講那我們跟委員報告其實多年來以前也有我們時增數低於預算數因為國際經濟其實有變化不是每年都會超過預算數明年也不會超過預算數3500億怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
4610.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
4613.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
第一,我們減少舉債也就是說今年總預算原來要編列的舉債數我們沒有舉債然後我們還債因為我們這裡面要有個債務還本1158億我們已經還了我們要還我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
4629.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
4637.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
對於財務的一個控管對於財務控管各委員都非常的重視所以才認不清楚財務只要還5%而已啊你還多少我們這次會再增加還200億200億而已啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
4647.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4649.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
財務機構還的本意唷!對不對?還剩多少?還剩多少?還剩多少?還剩多少?還剩多少?你沒有回答我啊! |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
4673.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
4696.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
所以我沒有舉債一千多億也多還債反正啦這個中央超生的三千五百多億怎麼花就是不給地方政府就對了啦這是莊部長的答案委員你原不能這樣說是這麼說對於地方政府的財政資源其實中央一直在大力的支持從203年到113年已經成長80%沒有不給地方市 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
4701.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
4713.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
因為你講很多人聽聽我講一下喔有一個前任的政務官我不要講哪一位部會首長級告訴我他說你們立委都太客氣了砍5%一點感覺都沒有啦砍10%有一點感覺勉強也可以啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
4722.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
4727.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
你不會砍3753億我們替你砍很簡單平均砍12%就解決了還要編什麼預算我們來砍比如說臺電2000億砍掉臺電的最佳預算1000億臺電的增值1000億、2000億砍掉壓贏了他盡量我們用台幣幹嘛搶啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
4752.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
4766.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
按照法定規定只要一百萬美金我們付了兩百萬美金我們砍掉一百萬美金還有管股現在八大行戶的管股保留英里加一加一千億拿出來那就三千億啦台電砍兩千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
4770.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
4777.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
老陸盈餘管股一千億至三千億的Plus經濟部為什麼他簽證預算也要幾十億給NVIDIANVIDIA 該不會欠這個錢? |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
4783.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
4790.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
前瞻立算會給他幾百億然後這個總預算會給他幾百億郭志輝還在講所以要給300億然後呢遠傳電信、中華電信以及台灣大哥大 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
4802.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
4808.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
這裡面27億我幫你砍一下你不會砍我替你砍啊所以要砍掉3750很簡單預算不必重編立法院替你砍我再講一遍台電的2000億砍掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
4819.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
4836.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
臺電2000億砍掉、亞營的100萬美金砍掉、給中央電信、臺灣大哥大、漁人船的補助27億砍掉、我家一家包括八大航空的保齡率1000億,就升金奪利了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
4837.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
4851.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
我砍得遠了啦然後事實上我們就可以以為平均平均每個部位砍10%吃一吃絕對夠 錢都夠怎麼都不夠了怎麼為你講一個東西你聽我講不要急喔 不要急喔 讓你講宣傳為奧斯一砍掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
4854.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
4865.739 |
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因為砍了太多了就過去我再強調一遍這一個政務官部會首長就告訴我砍10%有點感覺但是也是可以運作所以我們的目標就10%3兆10%3000億砍掉 |
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其中臺電就2000億砍掉了因為郭志輝也說了你砍掉他可以去借錢以後經院有事辦法他可以借錢臺電去借2000億他一點問題都沒有就砍掉2000億啊然後他給NVIDIANVIDIA會吸引你的300億嗎AMD |
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部長不要恐嚇人民啦不要恐嚇人民啦3000多億欽債傾不如啦我們政府很有錢啦到處都是錢啦就是你有沒有去諄解有沒有去砍他而已立法院太客氣啦以前就去砍1%總共算1%這次要砍10%起票就3000億了 |
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所以侯氏、劉劉、山西、凱來給地方政府就一定問題都沒有 |
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當然審查預算是立法院的權責但是如果這樣子刪除以後刪減預算以後對中央施政會不會產生摯愛以及對民眾權益的影響我覺得這都要審慎的研議我想這個部分不是說怎麼個砍然後應該事實上要考慮它後面怎麼施政的程度上有沒有摯愛然後對於 |
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國際組織對於國際組織的一個捐款這涉及到我們國家對於對於國際組織的一個信用的一個事情以及我覺得這個我們要實質的參與然後增加實質的參與增加國際的能見度是一直是我們的努力的目標我覺得這個股份是 |
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我們一直強調主權,他幫我們矮化!臺北看了起來啊!你還給他200萬!好根據!根據!根據!根據!根據!根據!根據!根據!根據! |
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按規定100萬美金就夠啦你不要給他200萬美金啦對不對 像這些啊砍一砍3000億 太簡單了隨便都有啦 我都替你砍你不會砍 我替你砍預算不必從邊因為啦 從邊新的計畫不能開始做而且從邊開始有3個月所以你也講 你要從邊 那你就好 |
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這個部長啊你可以私底下告訴我什麼地方可以砍我替你砍這樣可以定對不對什麼地方你就把它砍掉這涉及各部會的施政我想各部會最近也都在看盤整也都提出來如果預算減少的話對他們施政上的障礙對不起啊我剛剛講過了啊郭志偉部長對2000億根本一點都不在乎他說取債我2000億砍我們已經決定砍2000億了 |
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這是確定的臺電的整支一千億砍掉追加一千億砍掉兩千億了厚細溜溜啊厚細甘溜溜啊叫piece of cake要砍你的三千億太簡單了所以啊部長不要在那裡恐嚇人民啊用政治操作而且用我們立法院的時間跑到行政院去罵我們立法院這個 |
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這個下次一再發生的話你看怎麼辦啊來我另外問你啊這個保險證券有沒有可能公共合併有沒有可能 |
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因為都太小了臺銀的很小、土銀都很小有沒有可能合併保險證券在保險的部分我們現在其實你們都很小都小小小小的那就合併算了嘛對這個部分他們大部分已經在做內部的併了因為像土銀的原來的保金跟保貸什麼時候方案可出臺銀的已經併到他的總行裡面了什麼時候方案可出臺銀的 |
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臺灣金控的部分是不是我們請那個臺灣金控董事長來說明一下,好嗎?你董事長來,什麼時候可以有一個雛形出來?方案可以出來什麼時候?方案什麼時候出來? |
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委員好,因為臺灣金鴻旗下是有三家子公司一家是銀行,一家是保險,一家是證券如果說保險跟證券跟其他合併的話其實我想因為我們是百分之百國營的嘛別家大概不願意併進來大概只有我們會併到一些民營的但是我們併到其他民營之後我講公共啊,你們跟土營併啊 |
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土銀本來就是只有銀行跟輸出銀行輸出銀行他也只有輸出保險其他的飯工股呢其他飯工股是民營的他們不願意不是,如果我們併給別人的話我們金控三隻腳就少一台不會變金控了最後一點重要的聽你講話的林董事長 |
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剛才有人提到你們的績效是不錯的塔蘭金庫你看喔這個央行公佈的喔你們的年增率28.1排行排名非常前面可是你們相對的福利待遇差很多啦聽說這一部分中央部長 |
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一直有意見,莊部長不同意提到你們的待遇,是不是?所以我的信息是錯誤的我說你們拼命在衝結果莊部長一直打槍莊部長配合人事總書那裡說不可以莊部長講一句話好不好,你講一下 |
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委員對於我們的國營金融事業的提高他們的一個相關待遇跟福利其實財政部基本上都是支持的尤其在薪資的部分在107年以及和公務員的調薪脫鉤由他們依照績效來調薪所以從107年到今天已經調了15% |
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可不可以讓台銀這些百分之百關股的台土書他們的待遇福利比照犯公股可不可以就是問這句話因為有國營事業相關的法律我覺得這個跟人事總署有關我們必須要進行溝通跟說明你們要去跟人事總署fight啦當然我們會去表達啦我也去人事總署問人事長說部長的問題部長同意就可以了 |
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謝謝主席,有請莊部長請莊部長 |
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委員好部長好 部長剛剛的賴委員在質詢的時候他說只有一層其實不是啊法定支出3.1兆的部分法定支出佔1.8兆剩下可以活用是1.3兆1.3兆3,753億是28.47%啊部長你這應該回答很清楚才對啊這是第一點第二點呢這個3,753億撥給地方之後地方的財源就相當充裕了對不對 |
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但是呢他唯一可以調整的就是計劃型補助反倒是計劃型補助以外計劃型補助的縣市發展會延宕很多這裡頭的資金的部分要怎麼處理就變成是之前我們所謂的保險基金保險的那個資金要如何來運用在整個重大的公共建設這顯得更加急迫了部長你有沒有認為如此 |
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因為三兆億裡面有一些是法定義務支出的所以這部分是不能動的那另外的部分不是屬於法定義務支出的部分不是那麼容易嘛對不對本來就是不容易的事情但那影響的衝擊主要是資本門的部分當然會衝擊到中央的施政 |
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對,中央的事實跟地方的部分特別是資本門的部分而資本門的部分特別需要的是重大基金、民間資金的引入所以說財政部的責任就更加重大了,不是嗎?這個部分要特別加強,速度要快一點啊不然會耽誤到地方的一些重大的建設的一個進度啊 |
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另外一個部分之前在財委會的時候一直討論到兩個稅一個是印花稅一個是娛樂稅你每次都講說印花稅基於替代財源籌措有所困難因為影響到地方的建設發展所以不予匯除第二個娛樂稅的部分說地方政府重要的財源我查一查印花稅今年1月到11月總共是180億娛樂稅大概是17億兩個夯不啷噹加起來大概200億 |
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這210現在對地方來說是小條了他已經有3753頁你現在要不要評估一下這兩個長久以來備受爭議的這個地方稅把它廢除掉有沒有可能 部長 |
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瞭解還是同意你去看一看我就給你看一下在當時討論的時候確實是各地方政府都反對對那現在他有錢啊中央窮啊對不對當初你去考慮地方是不是可以重新調整一下有沒有思考的空間我舉一個例子就好了你去看看 |
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連金融業的部分你不要說一般的連統一發票你拿到錢都要去付都要付印發稅金融業的部分只要是本業的部分都要繳印發稅除了營業稅之外你還要繳印發稅其他的金融業都是如此銀行保險更是如此而且他還要設計還要在地方上設立一個會計人員對不對部長你知道嗎這影響非常的大生意非常的多 |
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是不是要考慮一下?要不要檢討一下?我想這個整個財劃法如果這樣子修正過了以後整個地方的稅制要不要做調整當然我覺得這是一個思考的方向所以說包括這兩個廢除了是思考的方向對不對? |
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是可以思考的方向所以思考嘛我看署長也在點頭嘛對不對如果是這樣子的話你一直顧慮他他也沒有在顧慮你嘛而且是爭議的稅都是你們在當門神幫他守住嘛兩百億算什麼他現在有三千七百五十三億了好耶啦有錢了啦好 接下來我先問你一個問題有關於公股這一個整併的問題公股銀行底下的子宮興指揮我列一個表給你看你看右邊的 |
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政卷、投信、創投、資產都有這一個這四家兆豐、西醫、核庫、華南都有還有包括剛剛那個我們聽到那個誰啊那個台銀也有還有包括什麼那個張銀跟台企銀也有創投 |
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這個其實是有合併的空間我講給你聽第一個保險的部分我們的保險都賺那個個位數億的啦那你去看民間的保險都賺3位數甚至4位數啦700多億跟900多億啦差那麼多啦第二個呢AMC的部分合庫的部分賺最多的3.4億賺最少呢華南銀行0.27兩千多萬而已投薪的部分呢賺最多的是哪一個單位 |
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我看一看真的很可憐欸賺最多是第一銀行欸 1.1億欸那華南銀行還麻辣死欸這些公司真的老實講齁 非常急塞啊有沒有可能把所有同類型的部分來進行一個合併的可能要考慮到那個工會意見的情況底下來做一個推動啊那個部長 |
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我不是幫你列好啦瞭解我知道委員的意思我想這個部分您的意思是希望把相同類的把它整併然後讓它更有忠孝然後更有競爭力那當然這個部分呢必須要進行相關的一個要做合一的整併合一的整併而且要遵循相關的法規對遵循相關的法規你講了我都同意啦你講了都重複啦也同意啦 |
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問題是你什麼時候有一個政策評估出來啦這個部分必須要有一個詳細的一個評估你就是大老闆嘛你財政部大老闆底下都歸你管嘛啊你的態度最關鍵嘛當然這還有其他的相關的股東以及員工跟客戶都要考量而且我跟你講最誇張的是什麼你知道嗎最誇張的是什麼我跟你講最誇張的是台灣金融啊台灣金融是銀行公會號召成立的台灣金融就銀行公會成立金融台灣金融是要處理那個金融風暴的這個不良資產 |
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結果成立4家金控公司以後各個金控公司底下又成立了所謂的AMC那個很奇怪嘛業務重疊不是嗎而且你看看喔臺灣今年的爭議性多大不論是兩次的人事爭議還有之前的被炒房還有甚至拿去炒股馬英九時代拿去炒股還自己瓜分了7000萬還被告你知道臺聯金控的董事長臺銀的董事長林董事長請上來一下 |
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時間暫停林董事長 |
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林董事長我就問你好了大法委員我不是台灣今年的董事長我當然不知道你不是台灣今年的董事長我不是是你董事長你是台銀金控的董事長吧林董你一年的薪水多少錢不好意思啦在這裡不好講不好意思講240、250嘛對不對我應該沒有猜錯嘛差不多差不多嘛240、250你的營業額多少營業額3000億有沒有 |
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超過阿3000億請坐啦3000億好我跟你講台灣金融的營業營收多少不到20億阿你知道嗎他的薪水有多少嗎他的薪水根據報宅月薪31萬年薪400我家假金800阿有卸幕沒有 |
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老實說你如果不說羨慕的話你後面的待遇我都不處理了很羨慕很羨慕超級羨慕我看你的表情超級羨慕你的倍數是他的15倍營業是15倍他的薪水是你的將近3倍多4倍拜託這個台灣今年還有存在空間現在沒有什麼不良資產可以處理了不是嗎部長回復一下態度怎麼樣 |
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他們是公股民營的一個公司他們的薪資有他們現在有一個標準規範官方在主導啦這個都有合併的可能有沒有 |
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這個要詳細的再來評估你每次都講這種模糊兩可的話讓其他的公股董事長那麼費心力你看一個拿了800萬一個拿200多萬一個營業3000然後一個營業不到20差那麼多我就舉這個例子就好了啦所以這些啊底下這些子公司啊老實講很多啊都有一些合併的這個可能性 |
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那我不能說只叫苔穎了還有請那個戴瑞理事主席也上來一下時間暫停一下你看看喔 這數字都有 |
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部長我再問一下部長代理事主席部長你這個能不能給本席一個月裡頭做一個評估你yes or no要不要進行合併的方案我們可以寫一個書面報告給我書面報告一個月態度是如何方向是怎麼樣哪些比較有可能性我也是可以給我們三個月啊三個月啊 |
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那這樣兩個月好了啦好 謝謝委員職場管理公司的部分特別是職場管理公司特別是台灣金聯啦我給你點名啦好不好你覺得我剛剛講的有沒有道理我再最後一次問你我想委員的意見我們都會納入考量你實在太客氣了也是太模糊了 來主席來 |
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代理處主席整個輸出入銀行的政策很多新南向的部分很重要我就問你一件事情總統最近有出訪太平洋三小國這三小國你有沒有幫忙到輸出入銀行 |
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報告委員我們這三部分都沒有因為我們做的是一般的商業性的貸款即使跟國家之間的貸款也用商業貸款的模式你有國家融資保證的機構還有新南向政策這是南向的範圍喔 |
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而且這三小國在整個區域安全上是佔有很大的關鍵性再加上外交部現在有所謂的榮邦計畫你是不是要跟外交部稍微主動跟他討論看看是不是對戰略性的這個國家友好的這個對象有一些加強的可能性不要做繼承的業務而已還有包括最近我們整個外交情勢的發展非常的重要如果扮演一個金融外交的角色非常的關鍵再加上立陶宛 |
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歐洲的這些破了地海三小國跟我們之間的關係也非常非常的友好這個部分你能不能作為做一個瞭解通盤檢討然後跟外交部做一個討論是不是有增加的可能增加對象的可能是 這個我們會努力來辦理那個中東歐中歐跟東歐的部分我們一個中東歐融資基金現在有在辦理的大概有15個案子有15個案子這是新增的嗎 |
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對,這是新增的好,那這15個你再給本席一下是那其他的有一些要搭配整個外交布局的你這個本來就負有政策責任的嘛對不對這是國力的一種延伸的展現啊更何況我們之前也給你多了150億不是嗎我現在不是跟你要人情是希望你發揮績效好不好我們會來努力好,謝謝理事主席、謝謝部長、謝謝林董、謝謝好,謝謝郭國文委員的話言 |
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接著我們請待會委員會的質詢好,謝謝主席,我請財政部莊部長 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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其實這個問題在上個會期已經被提出來了那財政部其實也強烈的在推進了跟地方政府開了好幾次的一個會那這幾次的會裡頭我們看到了就是有這個有關統籌分配款項的八十幾個分配的一個指標那我看這個你們的新聞稿裡頭說只有剩下三個還沒有取得共識這三個沒有取得共識的大概是哪三個問題 |
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支出的節流,也就是說對於地方政府在支出節流上應該要不要納入一個評估的一個指標裡面,因為要鼓勵他們要節流,第二個就是污染的方式還有再生能源這三個指標都有待再來做協商 |
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其他的指標已經聚攏了,聚攏了就要做共識當然還有權重的部分以及相關的一些更細緻的安排還要進一步的討論 |
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半年來審查可是行政院將提出驗版來修法條文國民黨其實到最後前面拒絕就是延伸了協商的內容並且提出了更苛刻的一個要求這個條件在這裡我想跟部長探討一下就是說這部法修法的結果 |
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我們從這個修法以後的試算的統籌分配款裡頭我們就看到了其實我們台南市情何以堪真的是我們台南市不僅是分配的最少那這一次的修法還是增加的最少我們都不知道就是說怎麼回去跟台南市民做交代你看台北市光是原分配697萬他多增加了416然後在新北市 |
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本來是543又多增加了374高雄跟台南是最慘的我們多增加出來的高雄是245台南是163那部長這個更慘的是說我們比 |
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如果多增加出來的錢我們比那個花蓮花蓮是多增加161億我們台南才是163億那花蓮有32萬人我們台南有186萬人你知道花蓮每個人分到多少錢嗎?分到50萬欸那我們台南每個人分到多少?7百塊 |
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這個很鹹酥很鹹酥的一個那個比例啊這個整個格局是又分配回來就是重北輕南啊不管是延分配的金額還是增加的金額我們台南市剛好真的就是都是最少的 |
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部長,跟你哭窮我們台南市跟你哭窮在看到下一頁就是說修法後的四算統籌的分配款裡頭其實這一次的修法這種家家酒事的一個修法真的是讓我們都不知道怎麼回去跟我們台南的鄉親交代 |
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臺南的珍比是六都的一個墊底那你知道我們臺南的土地非常的大這個擺明這個修法就歧視這個農業縣市削弱土地面積跟農業上的一個需求北部在吃肉我們南部連這個喝湯都喝不到中北、青南的細馬再度上演我想我在這裡要特別 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案 |
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我們怎麼回去台南呢?我們怎麼回去跟台南的鄉親交代呢?如果最重要的原因就是說下一頁我們在財化法裡頭那我們知道這一次的修法我們是把這個修改第16之一條那這16之一條我們挑的就是說國民黨挑的都是前述的項目有利益臺北的有錢的縣市像是 |
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一頁稅還有財產稅裡頭的房屋稅還有輝克稅收入裡頭的劃款跟工程款這個就是越高的縣市分配到越高的一個權重比占了45%占了45%反而它把人口指標這邊是沒有改變45%可是土地面積我們降了降了10%它本來是20% |
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委員吳琪銘等16人．則不予審查 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別審查 |
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委員您說的很適中央統籌分配稅款很大的一個目的就是要調劑營區跟均衡區域發展因為具有財政優勢的視線如果貨配的中央統籌分配稅款更高的話會讓他的財政情勢更好而相對的財政情勢弱的地方他反而沒有能夠獲得更高的一個資源 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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昨天在行政院的記者會裡頭也點出了兩大問題你這個錢回到中央,好,那事情這個錢回到地方 |
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那事情還在中央,事跟權怎麼分?那中央所承接的省政府的一個業務不管是我們的老農津貼的195億、勞健保費用的915億元還有省立學校的350億、還有我的鼠立醫院的452億元因此都可能一併回到地方政府來辦理但是我台南在六都裡頭已經是最弱了 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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部長我一路的跟你哭窮是這不是用哭的這個真的是跟你點出來你看在本席的選區裡頭它中央管的流域的一個整體的改善跟調適還有我的農田水利跨域的整合的永續發展的經費還有我整體性的一個整體性的一個治商還債還有我的污水處理的林林總總在中央本來編進去的這一些經費 |
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我可能都會壓縮到了我可能都會壓縮到了那怎麼辦呢有沒有辦法跟主計總處就是說在後續的後續的一個後續的一個調整讓就是台南多一些經費呢 |
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委員您提出來就是垂直分配的部分也就是說中央如果有大幅釋出財源的話那一定是削弱中央在有關財務的規劃以及財政韌性上一定受到衝擊那相對的對於地方建設的一個支援也會能力也會縮短也會縮小而市權如果再沒有下放的話那中央更沒有資源去支援需要建設發展的城市也就是說原來已經發展的很好的城市它 |
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而後來需要發展的,比如台南,它可能需要很多的相關的一個建設中央沒有能力去做一些計劃型的補助的時候,這會削弱它在地方的一個發展這確實是一個中央跟地方之間應該要在垂直分配上本來就要考慮的一個因素但是這一次看起來市權也沒有同時檢討 |
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副長 如果你是我們的台南市長的話這個勞保基金的一個撥補這個1000億從中央然後就是會削減到我地方那你怎麼樣去處理這個這些問題呢就單只就是這個那個勞保基金的問題你怎麼樣去改善如果你是台南市長的話你意味而處 |
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當然我知道同樣的會對台南在裡面其他的施政可能也會造成一些排擠的效應這個壓縮是非常大當然對於台南的市民來說就會受到衝擊是 所以我想就是說計劃性的這個計劃性的錢拿的是最少的甚至就是說 |
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我在這裡還是在拜託部長調整這個補助型的那個補助款的一個公式你要拿回去跟主計總處評估看看是不是兩週後給我一個書面的一個回覆因為那個補助款的分配是在主總我想主計總處今天委員您的意見我們會帶回去跟主計總處來做說明是好是謝謝那部長最後我再請教你臺南慘不慘 |
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臺南我當然知道因為您為臺南的市民發聲也為臺南市來爭取相關的一些建設這個部分我們都支持但我們認為在水平分配的時候一定要考慮各種因素你剛剛也提到土地面積我們這一次的分配就是10%但是沒有考慮土地裡面還有不同的結構農地、林地 |
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主席各位烈士官員大家早主席有請財政部莊部長 |
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財政部本月11日公布全國總稅收新台幣3兆5,713億創同期新高年增8.6%高出全年預算目標3,377億 |
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那同時退稅總金額10億0846萬那其中中手稅分成3批退稅第3批退稅是在2025年的1月20號那符合條件的有超過8萬件部長要不要跟國連說明一下也鼓勵民眾利用直播退稅避免被冒領遺失的風險同時也可以節省這個辦理的時間那一定要在農曆年前來完成退稅讓民眾可以好過年部長可不可以 |
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謝謝委員對這個議題的一個說明我想這個退稅涉及到食物左右是不是可以請複稅署署長來做說明好謝謝簡略說明啦因為時間有限 |
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不過委員吼那委員非常關心民眾的退稅權吼那我們這第三批主要是針對原來申報它並不是退稅案件是後來我們根據我們收集的課稅資料才去核定拿退稅那這個退稅就會變成第三批那這第三批大概有9約9萬件左右經有大概10億元那我們一定會如期去退那也謝謝委員幫我們宣導說希望大家都能擠多退稅那絕對拿得到 |
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那付費署跟財政部這邊就配合就是盡量在過年前完成這個手續好不好那我再請教部長我們要審酌的這個《菸酒稅法》、《使用牌照稅法》、《土地稅法》這三項修正草案主要核心是賦予主管機關更大的裁量空間那依據個案的實際情況去調整裁法的方式跟力度那我認為這樣的修法是為了要讓法律的適用更具彈性也是在追求公平與正義的過程當中 |
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能夠更貼近比例原則的精神財法的本質是以教育與改善為目標並不是單純說就是要處罰這樣子的目的所以賦予主管機關適當的財良權避免一刀切的這種懲處方式可以減少對民眾可能造成的一個過度負擔同時也可以提升整體法律執行的效率跟公信力比如說使用牌照稅 |
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來作比例,現行法規都是以 |
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因納稅額的一倍的罰款但是因為現在社會的進步還有快速發展交通工具種類日益增多還有稅務情況的複雜化過去固定倍數罰款的方式我想已經難以對現行交通需求還有現代稅務管理的多樣性來做一個這樣子的配合所以現實面民眾若 |
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僅因一時未領取臨時牌照或者是未及時辦理車牌登記又或者是在新購交通工具沒有完成領牌手續相對輕微的情形就被 |
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依法刻意固定金額的罰款這樣的處罰方式似乎不符合比例原則那也會造成民眾不必要的一個經濟負擔那這是不合時宜的啦所以這次修法我認為是有必要那給予主管機關一定的裁量權那同時也能夠因應個案的實際狀況避免這種僵化的規定導致過度的處罰 |
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讓法律能夠更具彈性跟人性化這樣的改變讓財法能夠更貼近比例原則那這個部分最主要就是減少民眾不必要的負擔請部長說明 |
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謝謝委員委員對於這一次我們提這樣的一個修法案其實我們的立法意旨也是在這裡也就是說不是一刀切而是可以讓基政機關看納稅義務人員他的違規的情節的一個輕重給予一個彈性的處理而這樣子的話才能夠維護租稅的公平同時也能夠兼顧到納稅者的權益我要謝謝委員對這方面的一個支持那我們也希望這個能夠支持我們的院版本 |
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我們未來也會訂一個參考標準表,讓積增機關也可以有所遵循。 |
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董事長早 早董事長這個經管會從108年起推出財管2.0方案那開放銀行申請辦理一元就是超過1億以上的這種高端的理財業務到11309月抵止包括第一銀、合庫、兆豐等12家銀行還有8家券商都獲准辦理獲准辦理財管2.0的這樣的專案那累積的客戶數已經達到 |
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一萬零五百人以上管理資產總規模高達1.27兆高端客製化財富管理業務市場潛力非常大大部分銀行都搶食這塊大餅 |
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但是臺銀到今天都還沒有取得這種承辦業務的資格那為什麼沒有取得?所以我也很納悶說經管會推出的這種財管方案已經快5年但是臺銀卻沒有取得這樣的資格可不可以請董事長說明 |
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謝謝委員指教其實這一塊的業務呢我們未來會列為我們一個非常重要的發展的一個重點那因為過去呢台銀本身呢對財富管理的業務呢它的重視程度比較低那當然也不是說我們沒有做只是說相對其他公股、行庫呢其實這個又回到我們這個待遇的一些問題福利的問題就其他公股、行庫對於這個財富管理的一些產品的一些銷售呢它都會有一些激勵的一些辦法 |
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臺灣銀行受限國營失業所以所有的獎金、福利各方面實際上都是沒有彈性的這是其中一個原因當然我們不會因為說沒有獎金就沒有去做這樣的業務明年一定會積極去設計因為台銀 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別審查 |
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你如果能夠早一天取得資格這個會有更大的競爭力晚一天就是力量就落後了對不對好不好在行政董事長這個台銀114年度編列銷售收入銷售收入1330億跟113年度算是一樣的 |
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7175.344 |
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但佔營業收入比重43%主要是銷售黃金貴金屬業務並且主要提議繼續推出貴金屬業務根據市場需求不斷的 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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尤其是在不確定的經濟環境之下作為避險資產這個黃金就越加的凸顯但是市場表現強勁從預算中心製作的圖表台銀114年度的預算數字卻低於112年度的決算數實際市場狀況跟預期的增長不符合113年114年度的銷售收入預算均編列1330億 |
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7250.641 |
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比112年的決算數11348.8億還要低這個不合理疫情過後的經濟復甦還有黃金價格持續上升但是你們這個編列的銷售收入卻更低我認為台語是低估自己的實力還是什麼原因你可不可以說明一下 |
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7267.539 |
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跟委員報告其實我們預算的編列大概是一年半前就編列就是112年就編了那當時的那個金價其實在金價在過去幾年當中其實都是相當的平穩那它有大幅的上漲實際上是在今年大概就是這一年之間這一年之間大概是漲了35% |
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所以我們在編列預算的時候當時是沒有預期到這個金價會有這麼大幅的波動那現在來看的話當然金價目前金價是處於一個相對的高檔但是未來是不是還可以持續這個高檔其實這個國際局勢的變化非常大我們還是要持續的觀察所以我們編列的預算就是一個持平的預算好 董事長 |
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再次的叮嚀台銀不要低估自己的能力是那調整這個收入預算更好的反應當前的市場環境還有未來的發展潛力那對自己的實力要更多信心更努力那合理預測未來銷售收入並做好最充分的準備好了好的謝謝委員指教謝謝 |
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好,謝謝寬恆委員接著請李昆城委員發言謝謝主席,我們請莊部長好,請莊部長 |
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委員好部長好最近我看到一個謬論就是說這個財務法修正完之後然後從這個中央的這個隨時分配拿走了這個3753億之後然後呢在野黨就說那因為我們都超徵嘛這個拿超徵的這個錢直接來做這一個統籌分配款還有找然後我請問一下這個部長怎麼看這種說法 |
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沒有這樣的一個事情第一個稅收超過預算數那是之間的一個差異性第二個就是沒有每年都會超過預算數的我們跟各位的報告其實你看民國90年到92年這三年期間都是短針為什麼碰到了網路的泡沫還有SARS |
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然後在97年到98年更是減少了2500多億金融海嘯另外在101年、102年碰到歐債危機也是收不到預算數 |
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7401.934 |
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那在101年跟102年也是比預算數少那109年大家都知道碰到COVID的時候事實上我們的時增數也少於預算數所以實際徵收的稅客、受款不一定都會超過預算數因為國際情勢有很大的變化那第二個就是說113年我們的時增數超過預算數我們優先會第一個減少舉債所以我們在113年本來預算數要編的1500 |
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7434.665 |
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本院委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查本院委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查本院委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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7460.761 |
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7469.87 |
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也不是過去國民黨執政時期也沒有是民進黨執政時期才有從106年度開始稅入稅出才有剩餘106年度之後都是民進黨執政民進黨執政的時候才有稅計剩餘就像剛剛部長所講的 |
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7485.662 |
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7500.421 |
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預算超徵統籌分配款分給地方政府嗎?會在第13次再分下去如果是屬於地方政府的稅客收入就由地方政府自主支配運用嗎? |
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7502.045 |
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7519.454 |
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然後呢如果是屬於這個中央的部分的話我們就像你剛才所講的我們就優先用來減少舉債嚴重舉債然後這一個提升我們政府的財政韌性嘛這大概就是齁如果按照過去你們的做法齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7520.935 |
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7540.41 |
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這個實證數大於這個預算數來講的話第一個你們就是減少舉債第二個呢你們按照公債法就增加還債就這兩個嘛是的對啊那總會說什麼因為我們民進黨執政那所以有這個能力然後那個稅計多了超徵數呢也多了那所以就拿這一個超徵數多的 |
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7541.551 |
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7570.453 |
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來去做這個統籌分配款這說不通啊這個在邏輯上是不合的而且明年114年我們的稅客收入編到的兩兆7千其實跟今年的時增數是非常接近的所以明年的時增數不會超過預算數有這麼多的一個金額所以不是用這樣的一個邏輯說因為時增數超過預算數所以偷偷拿來做分配那是因為我們是講政府有能力大家一起努力所以我們才有這個超增這個超增也是第一個拿來做還債第二個我們就是不再舉債嘛 |
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7571.294 |
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7571.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
禮拜三的記者會 |
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7581.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7604.755 |
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禮拜一的記者會然後我看你跟主計長都有出席可是我看了一下這個就是說預算要從編這可能不是部長講的或是主計長所講的話我看這個應該是發言人所講的話我看主計長是說如果現在的明年度總預算正在審查 |
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7630.552 |
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那如果這個稅法生效之後呢要怎麼樣去做呢?預算分配呢?他是說不排除用追加減的方式來做調整那你是怎麼說的呢?你說這個會改變財政秩序那如果要維持支出那勢必要增加舉債就是兩個說法啦一個說法就是說你如果稅數不動的話那稅率不夠那你就要舉債 |
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7632.093 |
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7644.339 |
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另外一個就是說那我這個稅路不動但是稅數就會受調整所以我只好預算來做調整就是這兩個方向要嘛你就要做舉債要嘛你預算是要做調整對不對 |
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7646.015 |
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7673.806 |
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中委員報告114年度的預算已經,行政院已經送到立法院立法院都在審議當中了是不是然後下個禮拜馬上就是114年的開始所以這一次這樣的一個修法會對於中央的一個施政的影響的致愛之處我們會主席總我們和主席總署一直都在盤點當中後續會用什麼樣的一個憲政的一個究竟的相關措施我們都在評估當中這個不論是用我們提釋憲或是行政院提這個復議齁這個都會走 |
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7676.067 |
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7701.446 |
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那我的意思是說就主計處來講他如果說這一個稅路他不變然後稅數他要做調整然後稅數做調整的話呢這個3000多億你從本來我們扣除掉這個法定支出之外我們能夠動用的有限那所以幾乎每一項預算大概都會少到加近三分之一這個是這個主計處他說所提供的資料然後就這個財政部的部分來講 |
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7702.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7720.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
然後如果你要維持稅數不變的話那你稅率只好,你稅率不夠啊那你只好做舉債嘛那我看一下你這個舉債啊這個明年度的預算我們稅數是3兆1500多億稅率也是3兆1300多億那其實我們是有剩餘的我們剩餘是208億那這個剩餘的208億呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7730.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7756.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
你如果要來舉債你如果要來舉債要來支應這個多出了這個3753億的話你不足3545億你就必須要舉債但是呢這個我們這個看一下明年的預算呢你包含我們的稅出你包含我們的這一個特別預算包含前瞻、戰績的採購啊以後經濟復甦等等然後呢會有多少呢我算了一下啦 |
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7757.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7766.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
大概舉債如果把要多付出的3,545億加進去的話營業的舉債有可能會高達6,249億已經超過了年度的舉債上限15%的4,998億超出了大概1,252億的差額請問一下中央政府怎麼去運作 |
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7785.947 |
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我想委員說的很適合公共債務法裡面對於債務的流量跟存量都有管控的限制我們不能超過這個債限也就是委員講說當年度的流量不能超過15%也就是舉債數額不能超過稅出那以我們114年度來看稅入稅出雖然有剩餘209億但是我們必須還要做債務還本因為依照公共債務法的規定我們要還債1415億所以209億還不夠1415億 |
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必須另外還要再舉債除了移用稅計剩餘500億之外我們還要舉債706億那特別預算的部分包含我們為了國防強化包含戰機採購海空的一個現代化的一個以及前瞻的部分要繼續執行也需要舉債1607億所以中央政府事實上在明年度的部分需要舉債還是需要舉債如果再要釋出3700多億的話那這樣的一個gap就會更擴大 |
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就是說本來已經要舉債那如果說齁你這個稅數維持不變的話那我算了一下你舉債就會突破這個5%的上限啊你又多了3500多億就會超過了這個你舉債的上限那我問一下那我們這個政府要怎麼去運作勒 |
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而且舉債也要依照立法院通過的預算我們舉債能到多少我們才能舉那個數額就是那個上限也不能說以現在我們現在的舉債數額另外再增加舉債是不可能因為預算書上面都有限定我們舉債說明舉債的數額的 |
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所以舉債不可行的話就有可能就像主計處所講的你必須要做稅數的預算來做調整所以才會包含國防、交通、社福等等大概都會少掉三分之一所以如果這種情況真正發生的話那我們是用最佳捲印算來做處理 |
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稅出如果有衝擊的話,確實會影響到中央的施政整個的一個施政計畫的推動就會受到摯愛那這個本來啦,國民黨的版本最早我看到他們本來還有一年的緩衝期就是說到115年度才實施但是他們修正再修正,不斷的修正 |
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則沒有緩衝期新法通過之後就馬上要實施首當其衝就是110年度的預算就會遇到根據法條公佈日施行所以114年度就開始施行預算上就會產生摯愛 |
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這個我再請教一下部長這個禮拜五這個立法院應該會來處理當沖降稅減半的這個證交稅的這個條例但是禮拜五處理禮拜六禮拜天接下來呢29、30剩下兩個工作天而已那這樣子時間上銜接的夠嗎?有辦法銜接嗎? |
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委員對於有關政交稅條例當中降稅這個立法的修正我們一直希望就是說立法院能夠趕快的通過然後我們後續因為還要簽報總統公佈施行嘛然後要後續才能夠生效那這個27號如果能夠順利通過的話我們財政部就我們會盡力在行在這個跑公文的部分盡快來說有辦法順利銜接上嗎 |
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因為你扣掉6日那只剩下幾乎2個工作天那就1月1號了啊只能用我們的行政部分我們盡量來做那當然因為我們覺得很可惜為什麼要到27號然後整個時間變得這麼衝突因為接下來就是6日嘛6日兩天嘛所以緩衝的時間太急迫了接下來又1月2了只剩2個工作天啊對啊對啊 |
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對,然後希望能夠單獨順利通過那所以呢,那個退稅如果來不及的話,要怎麼去做這個退稅的事情呢?那個事情就非常複雜了,而且涉及到券商的相關的程式,那影響很大而且對市場上的影響也會大,成交量都會受到一些影響那如果是1號之後才生效,這個退稅這個方式你們要怎麼做處理勒? |
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因為目前來說政交稅這個部分是由券商來代徵的所以在他們那邊城市就要動然後會有很大的一個衝擊跟影響我們希望27號能夠順利通過以後後面的行政程序盡量縮短讓他不要有一個空窗期 |
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李燕秀委員、吳立法委員花言結束後我們休息10分鐘接著我們請李燕秀委員花言 |
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謝謝主席,我是不是可以請部長,莊部長。好,請莊部長。委員長。部長早安,我們今年已經到了年底,剛剛聽了李昆城委員的發言,其實每一個法案對於,每一個修法的方向其實對於人民都是事關重大,都有它重要的面向,不是哪一個法案不重要,每一個都非常的重要,這是我必須要再次強調。 |
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另外現在到了年底大部分稅收其實都已經收上來了我們今年度113年度我目前的稅收我從媒體上看到已經大概超徵的部分已經到達5000億左右這個數字對不對出租 |
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委員您講的5千億出估是全國,這裡面包含地方稅我時間有限,部長你直接回應我就好了,是不是差不多全國的部分目前來說推估大概最高5千億,不見得一定到達5千億 |
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我們從之前我們都一直說不管中央或地方特別是中央的部分我們以前都超徵稅收所以我們也成立了一個稅收出估的專案小組你對於目前這個專案小組的進行作業還有每一年我們就是稅收超徵的狀況你滿意嗎? |
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我們是從推估113年的時候有才成立這個小組之前是沒有那這個部分我們已經強化這個我們看到每一年超增稅收的這個結果數字一年比一年高可見還是沒有達到它的成效就目前這樣看起來那到底我們要還要幾年我們才能夠達到 |
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我們114年已經調整增加那個稅客收入將近百分之19點多你不用跟我講增加多少我要的是當時我們成立這個小組的目的是希望精準的我不應該說精準你有一定的誤差範圍 |
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能達到他的目的你不用跟我講你調整了多少你調整了20、30你那個預估數字差異太大還是沒有意義這不是你成立的目的嘛所以到底多久你才能夠達到他的精準度準確度 |
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這個部分因為除了我們在當時在估測的時候相關因素都考慮之外其實還有其他的因素是不能你無法預料的比如說113年的政交稅AI的一個風潮起來所以它的日均量達到4800億跟我們當時在編113年的時候我們的日均量是編3500多億來預算部長你說沒有辦法預料我要再一次提醒你喔 |
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你如果永遠都跟我講這個是沒辦法預料那個沒辦法預料這個就沒辦法達到你當時成立這個單位的目的那我要再次請問部長這個不是我今天質詢的重點我們差增稅收的用途大部分都是用來減少舉債增加債務還本每一年都有對不對還有什麼用途過去還有什麼用途 |
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審議剩餘作為以後年度的融資財源 |
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譬如……譬如……譬如說我們的有累積剩餘在編下一年度的時候譬如說在編114年度的預算的時候我們之間的因為有一個gap就大概有一個數字到1206億所以有500億是用來移用稅計剩餘然後減少舉債的數額這都是融資財源 |
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好部長那我不跟你你不要浪費我的時間啦重點就是說包括以今年度為今年初你就說要幫台電這個還款1000億嘛撥補1000億給台電嘛那這兩天我從新聞上看到包括你們跟著行政院開記者會我要請問 |
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財務法已經通過了從中央拿3257億你們現在對外的說法就是說變成要從邊預算如果按照整個財務的分配是不是有從邊預算這個方式可以處理 |
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委員我沒有說要從編預算我只跟各位委員報告就是說114年度預算行政院編列完成以後已經送到行政院來送到立法院大院也都在審查當中都在審查當中所以現在財化法的通過不管大家各政黨對於這件事情看法不一但是絕對不是只有從編預算這個途徑對不對 |
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還有其他的處理方法嗎?我們現在財政部和主計總處我們目前在檢視這個財化法的修法的內容以後對中央施政的一個摯愛以及後續以什麼樣的方式來做救濟措施都和行政院在評估當中那我就提供你一個方法嘛 |
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你們現在對外的就是混淆視聽你們講的就是說只有從邊預算現在從邊預算這個對於明年度的預算造成的衝擊或者摯愛難行實現不夠你們現在的說法都是這樣所以我才講我剛為什麼一開始問稅計剩餘因為以台電撥補1000億你也是今年年初說要撥補台電1000億你用追加的預算方式來去撥補然後等到年終的時候稅計剩餘的時候再還款回來這是你對於台電1000億的撥補的處理方法跟模式嘛 |
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台電這件事情你是用這樣的處理模式先撥補等到隔年稅劑剩餘出來的時候先借錢就用追加預算來借這1000億等到稅劑剩餘出來的時候再來去做還款這是對台電的部分你是用這樣的處理模式 |
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當然對於這次財劃法的通過要多撥補3257億你一樣可以用追加減預算的方式先去電資撥給地方然後等明年稅計剩餘出來因為目前稅計剩餘有5000億 |
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出估有5000億即便沒有那麼多有4000億我們再來還款回來這是我建議的方式所以不要對外混淆視聽這是第一點我要說的模式沒有關係但我要提醒的就是說稅率剩餘我知道到年終才會出來 |
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但是目前3257億我們可以用追加減預算的形式處理等到年終我們稅計剩餘出來的時候再撥補回去這也是一種過去你也用過的模式用在台電身上我們過去就用這樣的模式不是第一次也不是首例這我要提醒你的地方 |
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所以我覺得這整件事情不要對外混淆視聽這對於我們現在3.2兆的總預算完全沒有關係你要做長照、你要做運動獎金你要撥補什麼東西其實一點影響也沒有也跟什麼舉賽上線、還款完全一點關係都沒有 |
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這是我要提醒部長的地方不要對外混淆視聽這是我今天對於《財化法》後續的處理會不會對於114年度造成的衝擊我要提出另外一個解決的方法我要提醒你你比我還要懂因為你是專業不要在這邊混淆視聽那第二個因為時間剩下不多部長我要問民政大臣 |
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我也是針對事實說明我也是針對事實提供你一個過去你處理過的方法所以不會造成對於其他什麼長照今年3.2兆的預算已經在審而且不會影響到3.2兆預算也就是說明年5月我們要做長照我們要給軍公教的薪水我們要給學校的哪些東西完全一點關係都沒有這是我要強調的地方好第二點我要問的還是我們那個雲端發票的事情後續的處理 |
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這整件事情已經過了一個多月我覺得到目前為止我們還一直都沒有給一個完整的交代這整件事情分三大塊雖然當時我們在質詢的時候我們說這個案子已經送檢調再調查檢調的調查是屬於刑事責任的部分當然這整件事情我們還有行政責任跟民事的履約 |
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你們整件事情內控的部分應該有做過檢討對不對部長如果沒有做過檢討這不合理嘛對不對這件事情會發生其實我們都覺得很離譜媒體、國人都覺得很離譜怎麼會獎金設計出一個 |
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公視的模式 |
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還有包括立法院要監督我們想了解都還調不到資料你們對我們上次問過你們有沒有對我們立法院提供要求提供的資料你們也都沒有提供說明整件事情除了檢調的調查行事責任我們尊重我們不介入但是對於行政責任跟民事履約的部分你們也都沒有交代因為這個牽涉到我們跟產商之間到底價金要不要減少我們要不要終止契約我們要不要解除契約 |
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到目前為止完全沒有交代這不合理嗎? |
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部長已經一個多月過去了我尊重檢調的調查為前提我們內控的部分民事的履約民事的履約跟我們所謂的我們的刑事責任都沒有給立法院一個交代跟委員報告我們當時有因為當時要我們兩週內提出書面報告我們書面報告已經送了第一個就是我們對內部的人員的相關的調查 |
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已經都很清楚這些草案還沒有我們要看的是當時契約內容是怎麼要求的我們跟他們會議之間城市設計是我們要求他這樣設計還是廠商自己設計我們當時有講過第一個我們是為什麼要辦這個活動的目的很清楚有告訴廠商但是廠商在城市設計的邏輯上到底有沒有超過這樣的一個目的已經在檢調在調查至於民事的部分我們已經也向臺北地院提起民事的訴訟要求廠商就侵權行為做損害賠償這個部分都有做 |
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跟委員報告我們一直都有做沒有說不重視這個事情我們絕不希望這個事情再重複發生所以這個東西我們很嚴謹的在看待好部長那我昨天從媒體上看到說你們要求他道歉登報道歉有這件事情嗎對我們有提起民事訴訟對要求他道歉是不是我不知道這是哪一個偉大的律師 |
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教你們說請他登報道歉登報道歉這個是立法院我們立法院要追的還是他的刑事責任他的民事責任道歉這件事情在大法官的判決在112年大法官的判決裡面道歉這件事情是違憲的你知道嗎我們這個部分提起民事訴訟由法院裁判然後另外後續我們還會繼續的做追訴的部長對我再問你 |
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你們要求他登報道歉這件事情對我來說我看起來是很可笑我不知道是哪一個這麼聰明的律師教你們說要道歉我證明事實上一定要追登報道歉這件事情如果是你們要求我覺得那個都不是立法院要的更何況這件事情是違憲的大法官判決是違憲為什麼我這麼說之前大法官有解釋說 |
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黑人要求那個陳建州要求道歉的時候當時那個案件的時候要求道歉的時候憲法的判決就講說這個強制道歉是公開的違憲我們常常在你們常常在行政院常常在罵立法院或是執政黨在罵立法院說在野黨是違憲你要求道歉這件事情現在已經沒有道歉這件事情而且直接被憲法解釋道歉是違憲的 |
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應該著重是契約問題而不是強制公開道歉道歉 我要提醒妳妳的律師哪一個聰明的律師叫妳做違憲道歉這件事情思考清楚好 謝謝委員的指教 謝謝好 謝謝燕秀委員接著請伍麗華委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 有請部長有請莊部長 |
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委員好部長好部長我在11月18號的時候有針對原住民釀小米酒來去做質詢那我在這邊要特別感謝因為我看到國庫署他的網頁已經有新增農民原住民 |
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至久製造賺取而且還有懶人包所以這個部分對於這樣的一個積極認識建籍旅舉我表達肯定跟感謝我相信這樣也是一種積極輔導的作為可以讓更多的人避免處罰但是我回過頭來我還是要講因為我們的稅我們的這些罰款 |
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其實在在的就是不利於原住民釀酒文化產業的發展那確實這個事實是存在的大家確實都會私釀小米酒這是事實那沒有獲利這也是事實所以這個部分我希望呢未來政府能夠有許多更積極的作為那就在我11月18號 |
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針對過去臺東達仁鄉有一位包研華頭目他在祭典的當天他的酒被沒收而且財罰五萬那他一直對這件事耿耿於懷因為他覺得好像部落在做壞事覺得好像自己是小偷所以這個部分我覺得對他們來講傷害很大 |
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其實在我質詢之後不到一個禮拜他也過世了所以他也來不及去獲得這樣一個好的消息但是我們總是希望未來希望這樣的事情就不要再發生我在這裡就是要特別提到今天的《菸酒稅法》我也有版本我的版本是希望說一、情節輕重 |
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除三倍以下罰環 |
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我們在很多的法例如這一次我們討論的《野保法》我們有首犯不罰那部長您的意見如何 |
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請審議、本院委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人提案 |
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主席財務部長 |
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根據立法院三讀通過就是施行日生效施行日就生效嘛,對吧?是好,那我先不論到底有沒有違憲到底能否執行我就想先問如果需要重編,如果我就很在意這3750億 |
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在各部會他會怎麼抽怎麼從編這件事我很在意我就光以原民會來看其實在原民會有很多很多最多這種跨年度的計劃他是會受影響的那 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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對於像我們的原住民族博物館也正在籌配處開始啟動我們原住民最需要的文化聚會所特色道路各式各樣的公共建設它都是屬於四年期計劃幾年期計劃會不會受影響 |
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委員我們的預算都是先有施政的計劃在裡面才會編預算是所以才會編出來那114年度預算行政院已經編完然後送到立法院在審議那麼大院也都在審議當中那所以這樣財化法通過以後對於中央施政的整個會產生多大的摯愛目前我們跟主計總署都一直在盤點當中要盤多久後續的救濟的一個相關的措施我們也會和行政院一起來做評估 |
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這個所謂的憲政的救濟相關的措施究竟採取什麼樣的措施都會和行政院來做評估那我現在就想要先釐清一些因為我們族人很在意我舉個例子來講各個鄉公所他們有一個基本設施維持費會受影響嗎 |
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部分的細節的部分我們跟委員報告如果說未來中央要對地方大幅的釋出裁員的話那勢必、勢權應該要做調整那勢必會受到影響嘛勢必會受到影響那勢權就必須要做調整了那到時候都會被我們原住民都會來逐項的來再檢討這個事情好那部長我其實更在意的是我看到 |
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這兩天好多好多的圖卡透過群組透過各個社群媒體都在散發我舉個例子財化法修正後福利政策一樣都不會少TPAS租屋補貼他說這些補貼屬於法定或既定政策預算絕不會被刪減部長這是錯假訊息還是真的 |
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跟委員報告中央要釋出3750幾億的一個財源的話勢必相關的一些措施都會受到衝擊那這就是錯假訊息都會受到衝擊的那個帳這一本帳不是這樣算的好那將這張圖卡 |
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修正財劃法其實是俘國利民然後提到說中央仍有至少9000億元可用足夠支應全國性重大建設這個是錯假訊息還是為真所有的我們的預算編列都因為有施政計畫才有這個預算你把預算如果減少的話那原來的施政計畫去怎麼執行一定有摯愛的所以部長你一直這樣回答意思就是說會影響嘛 |
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高鐵南延屏東 |
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財政部不管這些支出的部分是主席總書在主責然後各部會的相關計畫由各部會在做檢視當中那大家都說近幾年稅收超徵 |
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1.34兆拿3000億給地方就哭天搶地沒那麼嚴重是這樣嗎不是這樣的那怎麼樣第一個就是說今年的我們的實收數會超過我們的預算數第一個我們減少舉債增加還債其實所剩的也不是也不多那第二個部分 |
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明年我們的稅客收入調到2兆7千多億已經很接近今年的時增數了所以明年也沒有所謂的會有大幅超過預算數的一個情形第三個要說明的就是說其實稅收的一個時增數會和國際的政經情勢有很大的影響跟委員報告就是說我們看往回看從民國90年到92年事實上我們事實上是沒有達到預算數為什麼遇到網路的泡沫還有SARS |
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那到97年跟98年的時候碰到金融海嘯同樣也少增了2500多億元這事實上是一個蠻大的一個數額另外後來碰到歐債的危機的時候在其他101年跟102年事實上也是減少的一個情況那在109年碰到COVID的時候我們的實證數也沒有達到預算數所以不是 |
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每一年我們的時增數都可以達到預算數因為在編列預算的時候對於明年的情形有一些是無法預知的一個國際政經情勢的一個變化所以這個部分我要很詳細的一個跟委員報告部長我要講的就是說我從你一路我聽到您的詢答其實就是表示其實很困難會有衝擊一定有影響那如果說這些錯假訊息這些圖卡 |
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他是圖個安定民心那還豈有可原可是如果是掩耳盜鈴甚至以正直可造成未來極大的災難那我覺得這很可怕 |
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所以我在這裡我要拜託財政部我有一個訴求我覺得你們至少要提供正確的資訊我們人民看著這些瞞天傻的這些圖卡我們不知道何者為真何者為假所以我覺得財政部你們必須要提供正確的資訊 |
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如果像剛才我這樣子聽都是有影響都是有衝擊我先不論有沒有違憲要不要做救濟能不能執行但是我覺得政府必須要提供正確的資訊像很多人那個人均分配他們以為說是要進到老百姓的口袋捏也有這樣的錯假資訊捏我跟他說不是到你的口袋啦是到包商的口袋啦 |
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因為地方的建設到時候可能會很多廠商來標啦 |
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又是黑金的復辟啦但是很多的錯假訊息我覺得政府有必要提供正確的訊息那我希望說這個部分能夠盡快的做讓我們一起來澄清現在各部會都在說我看昨天農業部的陳部長也都有做短影音還有經濟部也都有表達對他們施政的一個衝擊我們動作太慢了啦人家散佈錯假訊息永遠比我們快兩天 |
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我想這個部分是各部會要趕快加緊腳步的好不好好 謝謝委員指教好 謝謝部長謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長我們現在休息10分鐘 |
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10330.213 |
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好,開會接著請王世堅委員發言謝謝主席我請台灣銀行總經理 |
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臺灣銀行總經理﹖林總經理﹖欸不是﹖那個是﹖總經理對是﹖吳總經理吧﹖他有人來吧有﹖司馬力臺灣銀行﹖喔對不起對不起﹖那個吳﹖吳總經理 |
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委員好吳總經理台灣銀行是銀行界的龍頭不只是九大公營行庫的龍頭模範台灣銀行更是全國34家銀行帶頭的榜樣但是我們這麼多年來政府一直強調ESG |
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所以對企業的放款要注重環境面、社會面以及他自己公司治理所以也制定了銀行也這樣也制定了ESG風險的評估啦 |
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10456.111 |
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結果我看了我本來以為說財營會是最具榜樣最好的ESG的執行結果我一看啊天啊昏啊你們的ESG的表格製作就可以看出來我認為你們是在應付啦敷衍啦為什麼呢到底你們 |
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10466.46 |
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所接觸到申請的案件到底有涉及ESG案件的總數是多少?你只有列出 |
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有條件通過復條件就是說把他加利息或加諸其他條件要不然就是你不核准沒有通過那這些案件數字都不大都幾十件所以到底有涉及ESG的案件你們有沒有好好去審沒有其次啊很奇怪 |
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這些涉及一些案件不管你付條件或者你不給他通過的他到底金額是多少貸款金額是多少你也沒有付之缺乳欸搞不好你列的都是一些小金額小案件隨便走幾個案件充數我認為你們應該看看第一銀行第一銀行在這一方面你看 |
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他包括涉及ESG風險總案件數是多少還有總金額是多少那麼有條件通過的是多少沒有核准的金額是多少這樣才周延讓政府讓全民都可以了解讓企業界也能夠了解到底ESG |
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是不是應該嚴格控管大家才有所平靜不是這樣嗎所以吳總經理這個部分喔台英是讓我很失望啦我希望你回去好好檢討好不好 |
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謝謝委員的指正我想本行為了永續發展目標那強化企業的社會責任我們會獎勵引導企業務重視並具體執行ESG那我們會根據ESG的風險評估來做加減碼的考量對啦你唸的這些都是台詞你唸的很好但我認為台銀過去幾十年來台銀的傳統台銀百分之百關股欸 |
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百分之百應該配合政府的政策百分之百要做全國公民營銀行的表率所以在ESG的執行案你 |
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不能輸給第一銀行好不好第一銀行我覺得做得很標準我剛剛提的這幾大項目就可以看出到底你們有沒有落實在執行我就舉例啦既然你要回答我舉例啊大直基太就是你們放款給他的啊整個工地攤限欸民房也跟著攤限 |
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我去現場看他那個林房被壓在下面那一層樓父子三個人三更半夜連滾帶爬出來才躲過一劫重傷輕傷人數十幾個之多造成的公安的以及合約的紛擾一堆結果你還繼續放款給 |
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基態我時間有限你理解了那待會去好好檢討好不好我們114年開始會根據委員的建立我們會揭露涉及業績風險的收集案件組織114年開始會揭露好OK好謝謝時間暫停請回我請問財政部長莊部長請莊部長委員好莊部長 |
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這個時機來啦財政草案法通過啦這個最為全民所詬病的娛樂稅、印花稅現在替代裁員沒問題了我認為要廢除娛樂稅跟印花稅此其實也啦那娛樂稅我跟你提過好幾次從110年110年到112年它我們實際 |
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科稅的金額是所有稅金項目裡面最低的啦從11億5千6到18億9這麼小的金額但是他科稅成本卻是超高的他基深課徵的成本跟 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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本院委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查本院委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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既然是這樣替代裁員有啦財政措施《花文法》我們現在撥了3880億給地方剛好財政部可以明令把娛樂稅包括印花稅就這樣廢止因為替代裁員就有了嘛不是嗎娛樂稅真的講那麼多次你看一般小市民現在生活已經很難過了看場電影看個表演 |
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也要科稅這個是太殘酷了那印花稅更是印花稅過去部長你應該曉得過去 |
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財政部跟行政院都主張廢除印花稅因為重複課稅財政部我翻箱倒櫃找得出來你們過去要廢除印花稅你們還列了五大理由除了我說重複課稅以外還課增項目的增益難控管益、逃漏國外簽約、避稅、地方政府徵稅你們列了五大理由 |
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難道行政院更是接觸說廢除運花稅方向正確不會改變你們在108年還重申廢除運花稅勢在必行還說地方稅損中央來補你看還做了一個圖卡圖卡的又 |
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所以我希望已經時候到了 |
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有財政收支花園法的通過3880億補給地方剛好財政部就順這個事宣布印花稅、娛樂稅廢除可不可以 |
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跟委員報告硬花稅跟娛樂稅是不是要廢除這個事情已經討論很久那當時為什麼沒有能夠廢除最主要是尊重地方的財政自主我想另外就是說稅收金額比如說硬花稅也大概180億那有關娛樂稅大概十幾億但是對鄉鎮來說很重要那像委員所提的就是說財務號法修正了然後地方財源增加那是不是可以考量 |
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那我想這個後續我們會看財化法後續的一個進展情形另外再來做考量是對 現在欸對啦 融化稅金額確實高多了10倍之多或170億但不管170億的融化稅19億的娛樂稅加起來相比跟整個3880億比那是非常小的數額不是這樣嗎 |
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佔大概百分之……不到百分之五嘛：而且、而且印花稅、重複課稅這個在民間各大中小企業已經怨聲載道數十年之久好不好,我覺得此期實業啊 |
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你財政收支法通過那麼替代財源就有了嘛過去你一直堅持的啊要先有替代財源現在替代財源沒問題了我最後一個問題齁主席不好意思我再一個一分鐘就是說還有一個問題就是說關於啊低價免稅額的申報也就是說本來我們政府對於海外網購有個很小金額的免稅規定 |
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本來3000元的免稅額給每一位我們民眾現在107年降到2000塊啦那各位也知道本來3000塊欸你可以網路上買買雙球鞋現在降到2000塊我看可能要買拖鞋了那很多民眾用這樣子的這一個寬檢那麼他可以購買國外 |
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議員吳琪銘等16人．則不予審查 |
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11060.967 |
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11084.579 |
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天吶那你如果看看臨近的這些先進國家還有包括我們臨近的自由民主國家像好朋友我們像日本、韓國你看他們都遠比我們高欸韓國甚至高達150美元到200美元之多我們只有63塊美元即便日本 |
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那麼愛用國貨的國家他們也還有88美元之多那當然第一名這種美國、澳洲800、750新加坡298這麼高額的免稅額的這個就不比啦我們光比比韓國、日本文差他們這麼多嘛 |
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所以我認為這個應該適度的要不但維持而且應該恢復到過去的3000元你認為呢? |
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根委員報告第一個根委員說明的財政部並沒有在研議要取消這2000元低價免稅的一個規定目前沒有第二個我們也在請我們的外館去了解其他各國對於低價免稅的一個門檻的一個金額第三個我們也了解到其實部分有些國家已經對於這樣的一個金額有其實往下降的趨勢為什麼有某些國家他用地價大量製造的 |
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一些衣服、鞋類非常廉價然後到其他國家去對國內的製造業也好都會產生衝擊這是必須要做考量的因為要考量我們國內的製造業要考量電商品牌我們都要層面上要多做考量你說要調查國外的我剛剛那張表格已經有那個也是我調查了你去看就有了啦那個金額遠高於我們 |
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第二點他們各該國是不是要去調價我們未有所聞但是即便調價他那麼高的金額他去調價還算合理我們也才63塊美金而且最主要這個是另外一個課題我下次要質詢的就是其實大家要針對的是中國電商中國的這些廉價 |
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廉價物品的傾銷的問題這是另外一個重大課題但是我們給一般民眾這個才2000元我認為應該提高回復到3000元這只是我們給民眾的小確幸我認為這一筆不但不應該取消而且應該適度提升 |
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中國電商,那是中國電商,我們另外一個法令要來談,要嚴格禁止。好,謝謝。好,謝謝市監委員。謝謝委員,謝謝。接著我們請黃建豪委員發言。 |
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主席財政部莊副部長、國庫署陳署長、官務署彭署長、國庫署陳署長、官務署彭署長 |
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委員好部長好部長剛剛你回應王世堅委員提到一個問題也就是說一些國家的低價大量製造的這些貨物我想對台灣本土的一些產業會造成衝擊本席在11月18號那天其實也有提到關於啤酒傾銷的問題 |
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當事委希望說我們菸酒公司跟財政部要來商討說怎麼樣對這個中國製的低價啤酒來申請課徵繁請銷稅的部分我不知道目前為止財政部有沒有什麼相關的進展 |
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這個部分,煙酒公司已經在考量是要有自釀酒商協會的名義來提出那他們提出以後就提出以這個名義來提出提出申請以後呢財政部就會按照我們的程序來做然後會同經濟部一起來做有關調查還有審議然後再來看核定是不是課徵請消息部長謝謝 |
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透過協會也好或透過臺灣菸酒公司因為這個臺灣菸酒公司我想第一個是你們直屬的啦你們要直接處理會比較快因為臺灣菸酒公司佔國內的啤酒產量一年大概百分之九十幾%所以他是最大宗也是最主要的一個生產商 |
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國產的啤酒市佔率已經降到五成以下 |
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那在這段調查期間,財政部會提出任何的處置方案：比如說加徵進口稅或是設置所謂配額限制等等的短期政策來處理,還是就這樣子等他?對於申請案送進來以後,我們會送到我們的稅率審議小組裡面來做開會那至於在這段期間可以有什麼要做,我是不是可以請彭署長來說明 |
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跟委員報告,我們有課這個臨時繁請銷稅的這個機制,就是提到關稅稅率委員會,委員認為說有課臨時繁請銷稅的必要的話,可能會決議做成這樣的一個...好,組長謝謝喔,跟部長說明啦,為什麼會這麼在意這個事情呢?因為啤酒這是不單只是喝酒問題而已,我想 |
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之前這個牛津學院有發布一個全球啤酒業的報告提到說一個啤酒的工作它上下有可以創造29個工作機會在消費端也可以創造10個工作機會在GDP在這些啤酒產有產啤酒這些國家裡面GDP大概可以佔到1%所以我想這個對整個產業是有很實質的影響所以我這邊才特別提出來那一樣的問題其實也是啤酒問題 |
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因為最主要會有這個傾銷問題當然是因為我們加WTO嘛所以我們現在對所謂的國外的或中國製的啤酒進來的狀況我們的稅率是0%但是本土的廠商因為我們本土廠商除了賣國內之外我想那天煙柳公司他們也有來說明他們很積極想要做外銷的工作可是外銷你如果產地在台灣的情況下面我的這個麥芽跟啤酒花的進口關稅還是非常高還要7.5% |
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所以這跟其他亞洲國家甚至跟中國大陸他們有政策補助來講的話我國的臺灣煙酒公司也好或其他本土釀酒業者也好他的競爭的利基點就輸了嘛所以我再問一下關稅的部分因為你這個啤酒跟麥芽我看國內目前來講是沒有相關農資屋需要保護的那為什麼還要去課這個7.5%的關稅 |
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關稅的部分當然第一個就除了財政的收入之外還有一個就是國內產業的一個影響程度這個部分我們關務署也在會跟那個產業主管機關再來做徵詢他們的意見好因為我們希望說這個還是要重視一下我們本土這個釀酒業者這個產業我們也希望我們的國產啤酒能夠來申請我們的優質酒類的認證那可以一起參與我們多元的行銷方式 |
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好 部長 謝謝這個署長兩位請回部長我們繼續討論這個財政稅劃分法我想這兩天記者會上前兩天記者會我也看到一個說法這個行政院說考慮退回從編總預算我想問一下部長這有可能發生嗎 |
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行政院已經編了114年的預算,送進大院來審議,目前大院也在審議當中。 |
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明年的預算今年8月就全部送進來了應該理論上不存在從變的問題那再來我想討論要基於事實我們看到的媒體報導財政部提供的數字來講增加的稅這個增加如果增加按照目前的版本要增加的這個統籌分款大概是3753億左右這個數字是嗎?是吧? |
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根據國民黨團那天提出的版本計算以114年的預算來算的話大概3153億元那另外就是說對於有關這樣的一個中央釋出裁員的部分我們和主席總書正在盤整對中央施政的一個摯愛至於後續的相關救濟程序我們會再來做詳細的評估 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案 |
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如果一開始如果只有差這個所謂的分配到中央分配到地方的稅收只有增加3700多億結果你們現在各部會這樣子到處在講講講已經超過這個數字我想這個數字這個討論就沒辦法聚焦所以要拜託我們財政部也要盡快的請各部會要求一下把這數字算出來那才能夠我們才能夠進入實質的討論才不會在這種政治的語言上面來處理好不好部長 |
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跟委員報告有關各部會的相關的支出各部會都在目前檢討當中那支出的一個部分組總也會去做中整好部長謝謝謝謝建豪接著我們請黃珊珊委員花言是謝謝主席請部長請莊部長委員好 |
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部長好,我想很遺憾的我們在這個委員會其實討論了一年的財政收支劃分法。請,行政院提版本一直沒有結果,所以才會在上個禮拜通過了國民黨版的財政收支劃分法。 |
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上個星期我也在院會的時候希望民進黨團能夠支持我們台灣民眾黨的版本因為至少我們在水平分配的部分是以所謂的分配委員會來做處理彈性還是比較大的但是也很遺憾民進黨沒有支持民眾黨的版本而在這樣的情況下今天已經 |
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確實已經造成了一個新的結果所以部長剛剛王世堅委員所要問的其實就是我要問的如果按照現有的狀況下我們曾經在這個地方討論的娛樂稅、印花稅都是因為中央說地方找不到替代財源所以沒有辦法廢除現在在財政收支發分法的情況下這樣的情況是不是地方已經找到了所謂的替代財源可以考慮廢止了 |
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櫻花稅跟娛樂稅都是地方稅那當時他們都反對要把它分析涉及到他們的政治主權所以從現在開始你可以重新跟地方政府來討論了那現在開始那所謂也就是說對於財化法通過以後對於中央施政的時代我們還在跟主席總處來在盤點然後後續會有什麼樣的憲政上的救濟程序也都還在評估當中那請問部長我們的娛樂稅的主要目的是什麼 |
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現在看個電影要繳娛樂稅看個大巨蛋的棒球要繳娛樂稅看個籃球比賽要繳娛樂稅你覺得合理嗎? |
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委員雖然娛樂稅法這一次我們在財政部討論的時候沒有廢止但是我們的修正草案也已經送進大院第一個我們下降了上限同時對於免授權地方可以停徵我覺得是為的不足啊為什麼你們的修正是說我們同意地方政府可以把第一到第四項考慮停徵就要講電影 |
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競技比賽、藝文表演可以由地方政府決定所以它將來會變成一國多制第二個你們說調降了它的最高上限比如說電影的上限是30%外國電影的上限是60%你們把它降下來但是事實上現在課真的都不到1%到2.5%所以你降了30%變成15%有什麼用?根本沒有用 |
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也就是說有這樣跟沒這樣一樣第三個一到四款將來會變成臺北、新北、桃園同樣的首都生活圈可能會造成今天來臺北看表演跟到新北看表演是不同的費率這點臺灣這麼小有需要分到這樣嗎你覺得需要分到這樣嗎 |
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因為第一個它本來就是一個地方稅地方稅一定有它一定的地方政府有它可以有財量的權利那今天我們是授權它對於藝人表演跟競技的停徵這個部分是可以去做的我的意思是說如果我要的話那我們立法院就直接幫你提案廢止算了為什麼既然可以停徵表示它不重要第二個既然財化法已經把相關的地方稅 |
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地方的財源已經確認了所以他沒有財源的問題其實是可以廢止的第三個就是你們既然都提了這個稅表示這個稅沒那麼重要沒這麼重要我覺得這個是我們是匯集到各地方政府的意見提出來的修正草案我同意比如說像舞廳、舞場、歌廳這些特殊的娛樂行業、八大行業甚至高爾夫球我們可以立專法專門對它做相關的課稅但是 |
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一部娛樂稅法包山又包海所有的只要有表演的有座位的全部都要課娛樂稅最嚴重的是什麼最嚴重的是我們所有的藝文表演也罷了現在是聖誕節很多學校在辦party很多的學生在做表演這些學校社團表演社區活動這些婆婆媽媽的表演只要有收費有一個車馬費有一個門票錢全部都要報娛樂稅不然就要被罰 |
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但是我們又有法條說哦只要你是教育文化公益慈善團體的不用罰但是部長啊我們這間已經吵很久了這些還是要來報備對不對還是要來事先申請對不對不然他就會被檢舉之後他還要被處罰說因為雖然你是一文團體但是你沒報備你還是要被處罰是嗎 |
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我知道您提了很多娛樂稅現在的一個情況但是實務執行在地方政府地方政府也都反對去那未來財政情勢的一個變化地方政府或許有不同的考量但是我認為地方稅基本上我們還是要尊重地方政府 |
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我同意尊重地方政府但是如果說不合時宜的稅我們中央有態度第二個積增成本是娛樂稅裡面最委任詬病的狀況現在的娛樂稅每個地方政府的收入不占到它的基本地方政府的稅收不到1%啊 |
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只有0.1%到0.4%娛樂稅如果在鄉鎮收取是歸鄉鎮鄉鎮的財政狀況是很小的第二個部分非常有趣它的基增成本將近是14%到22%也就是我們課100塊的娛樂稅我們有14塊是基增成本跟其他貨物稅、菸酒稅、土地增值稅其他的基增成本相對低很多甚至低到數十倍、數百倍 |
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也就是說一個積增成本如此高的稅第二個收入如此低的稅這的確是在稅收上面是很沒有效率的你同意嗎? |
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我想這個積增成本的部分,當時各地方在表達意見的時候,他們都會考慮進去的。積增成本就是非常的高。積增成本高到沒有辦法不處理,然後第二個就是讓民眾覺得很擾民。第二個,我在餐廳裡面放一個KTV在那邊唱歌,也要科娛樂稅。如果沒有人檢舉就算了,有人檢舉的話,這些還要被查,還要被罰。 |
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所以我們有很多的問題都是在於漏水所以第一個漏水我認為既然行政院有版本從現在開始財政收支劃分法通過之後我希望就像我之前跟部長說的財政部要去檢討所有相關已經不合時宜的稅制你們也在做檢討不是嗎 |
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我們稅的部分事實上都是一直在滾動的是第二個針對這個部分我們也做了很多附帶決議你們本來要做提報告給我們一樣的從現在開始財政修正草案法通過後針對娛樂稅對地方稅制的影響我也希望能夠評估進去這個稅廢除的可行性 |
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應花稅的廢除也應該成為財政部接下來下一步的規劃 |
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至少不會違反蘇貞昌院長跟民進黨執政的態度吧 |
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當時印花稅要廢除的時候我想您委員在臺北市也很清楚你也很清楚如果替代財源現在已經拿到3000多億我相信地方政府不太會反對了這個部分我想我們已經也有相關的附帶決議我們會在附帶決議的下面書面報告裡面一起做評估所以其實這個稅額第一輿論稅非常沒有效率基金成本高說的稅額非常低全國才19億跟我們那3000多億比起來是九牛一毛第二個 |
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應花稅雖然有百來億但是對於地方政府來說以3000多億的分配稅款統籌下來的話其實它也是可以足以因應第三個部分就是如果現在部長我們要討論的是地方政府現在假設財化法把相關的財源撥入其實對他們來說最重要的是他們的財政狀況應該可以減輕現在地方政府的負債的狀況如何 |
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這個狀況其實已經大幅的下降因為這幾年中央對於地方財政的挹注從103年到114年已經增加到85%所以我看到你們的報告是所以它整體的負債都往下降的大家都降嘛齁都降得非常低我覺得我們目前還有剩餘112年剩餘648億對有648億的 |
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表示他們的財政狀況逐步的減輕而且最重要是他們可能已經有多餘的財源所以剛剛講的從財化法檢討加上這些這兩年這幾年來的所謂的財政狀況表示他們 |
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舉在的空間是可以做檢討同樣的我知道財政部一直要討論所謂的地方稅責通責或有其他的相關的地方法制來配合財化法的修正那公債法針對地方政府的這些東西我們是不是也應該稍微討論一下因為上一次的修正是在民國102年 |
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後續我們再來做評估就是說如果財政收支劃分法給他們地方財源的話我希望財政不要做一件事情就是輔導地方政府優先償還他的稅他的公共債務公債的部分他應該在他可以的情況下讓他的債減損下來 |
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尤其是最嚴重的是高雄那一般縣市大概最嚴重的是苗栗這兩個部分是不是財政部也應該成為你們將來財劃法把相關的金額下放地方之後優先要求地方政府來做的 |
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各地方政府目前的債務狀況財政部都有在做管控當中也分級的做管理這個部分比如說像苗栗來說它也逐漸的在改善在獎勵所以財劃法的部分要跟著公共債務一起檢討也希望地方政府拿到這麼多的統籌分配稅款之後優先償還它的債務拜託部長 |
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委員財務法的部分隨時分配中央釋出財源的部分那麼釋權是不是要再做調整都還要再做考量你要提什麼法我們都會支持啊好謝謝委員謝謝委員好謝謝珊珊接著請羅賓才委員花言主席貴文出列習慣大主席可請財政部莊部長好莊部長 |
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總部長你好委員好財劃法通過以後皆大歡喜大家都感覺無比的興奮跟開心你這幾天這樣聽起來有沒有不開心的 |
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我跟委員報告財化法這個部分的一個修正必須要相當的審慎第一個它涉及到當然地方財政的需求要顧慮中央的施政的一個韌性財政的一個韌性以及財政規劃能力都要顧慮另外在水平分配的部分也要能夠達到調劑財政營運跟均衡區域發展這個部分都要達到這樣的一個目標我覺得大家都很開心啊 |
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你看我從新北出生我在立法院這一二十年來我一直爭取的就是希望為地方爭取更多的財源來謀取更多的福利造福地方造福商子所以我們新北現在每一年可以多370幾億哇十年就是3700多億讚 |
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新北重新要站起來成為未來國際級的大都市我們400多萬的民眾都很開心啊還有身為立委的多數的立委也很開心你知道為什麼?因為不用再打架啦 |
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為了財劃法你們沒提出我們打了亂七八糟打得東倒西歪、腰痠背痛只有部長你都坐在那邊也開開心心的你都沒有受傷也沒有腰痠背痛對不對所以大家都很開心啊那22縣市我再問起來每個人都很開心啊因為他分配的金額都比以前多很多啊 |
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部長有誰不開心聽說只有一個人不大開心我們不管是在公聽會也好還有邀請了相關的一些機關來討論以及許多的學者都有提到財跟財權跟事權要並同考量在財權下放的時候事權也要同時下放因為財化法中間很重要就是說事權要一併考量 |
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所以如果只是考量錢而沒有考量事權的話那整個是一個不傾斜的一個狀態並不是合理的現在稅數大概一年是總金額多少?114年的預算的話稅數的編列是3兆1325億對啊現在3000都是10%而已啊 |
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那中央有一些是法律義務性的支出是不能去檢討的所以事實上大家就在看就是說與其給中央亂花錢倒不如拿回來給地方基層來花因為基層更多人眼睛在看而且第一線大家的需求有時候中央的官員在中央吹冷氣不曉得地方的需求在哪裡 |
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所以剛剛講說是10幾%其實對你們來說也不痛不癢啊我們每次在那邊審預算的時候有時候一三也是三個10%、20%啊也是不痛不癢啊 |
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所以希望部長可以在地方的立場來思考不要說從中央集權又集權做了事情那就又沒感覺部長這5年來平均每年大概稅收都超徵多少跟委員報告109年是短徵的 |
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109年短證,因為碰到了TOPI事實上我們沒有收到運算數110年超證多少?110年的部分,我看一下齁慢慢看不要急中央 |
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中央是110年是超過預算數是252注意聽喔!兩千多億是不是? |
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3252億,但是我們要預算是111年稅收超增多少?中央部分是4千10千億喔,注意聽喔,超過3700億了再來,112年超增多少?2千9接近3千喔,113年超增多少? |
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目前來說還沒有到結束,跟委員報告我們的持證數、投資預算數基本上是拿去做減少舉債、然後增加還債跟委員報告,我覺得這個部分還是要說清楚今年12月24號之前累計稅收超震多少? |
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我們目前來說預算在初估到年底的話中央的部分大概會超過預算數是3500億但是我們要做國家的財政是不能這樣算的第一個我們要減少舉債而且要還債而且要債務還本的 |
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其實大家都是皆大歡喜我這幾天想一想其實只有一個人可能不開心你可不可以回去問一下信賴的 |
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如果他不會不開心,那我們就是社會和諧,政黨和諧,其實政治就是一種妥協啦。不能說你拿去幾碗飯,幾碗要吃。 |
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說不過去啦而且22縣市講難聽一點大家都平均都用得到嘛以前賴總統講的啊這個優先法案就是要通過財劃法啊每個人都這樣啊老柯也講了啊你不能說換了一個執政換了一個腦袋而且 |
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最重要的不管誰執政你做好的話下一次又換你做嘛22縣市沒有規定說哪一個縣市是規定有哪個黨來做你做得好就換人做啦 |
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你為什麼都沒有自信你好好做錢還是地方在用啊中央用、地方用還不是都一樣都是為了民才用這裡寫得很清楚啊國家事實上民眾第一啊永遠都是站在民眾的立場都來做另外我要來講的就是說你22縣市裡面有誰不開心的 |
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你名字講給我聽一下跟委員報告我覺得財政資源的一個配置必須要有一個公平跟合理性在裡面那如果說你像財政優勢裡面獲得更多的財政資源的話是不是合理跟委員報告我覺得這個國家的一個財政必須要好好審慎的考量你會不會因為少了這3700億中華民國馬上就多黨 |
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委員所有的財源的分配都必須要考量施政你因為要有事權你才有支出那才有收入但是如果沒有考慮事權而只是中央大幅支出財源的話這個在財政來說必須對財政紀律要考量所以你心裡的希望就是你為天下那你就是講的說就是大家聽你的話立法院這裡一毛都不能刪你們的預算喔 |
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三預算當然委員在審查預算的時候我剛算起來也不過才是十幾趴啊你講得那麼難過啊你那麼難過為什麼當初簽占這邊通過八千八百億的時候你都沒有和你一句為什麼均購四千億這邊三分鐘就通過有那麼困難嗎部長 |
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有那麼難嗎?部長,全世界都要聽你的,是不是?不聽你的,國家就會倒,是不是?不會吧?不是這樣子嗎?連商量的餘地都沒有?部長,你不能當到最後覺得你是伍澤天啊? |
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不可能的話我剛剛就講啊才30幾%而已假設就算10幾%你把它轉移過來中華民國還在啊為什麼要用這樣一直來威脅人民說什麼部會不行了什麼地方的這個經費少了影響全議會很大另外部長請問一下22縣市裡面負債的這個 |
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市跟縣有哪幾個?財務法通過統籌分配稅款下來了以後,它可不可以優先來還債? |
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我想我地方政府的財政資源因為統籌分配稅款是屬於地方的稅客收入但他們編預算經過議會同意由他們來致用所以這是落實地方自治的精神嗎另外我最後請教一個因為時間關係你每一年去年計劃型的補助是多少錢 |
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計劃型的補助目前是在主計總署那邊控管,不在我們財政部對阿你一問就知道阿,你們兩個都應該都有聯絡阿大概是多少?計劃型的補助我看 |
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這個是2014年,2014年是2900,然後2013年計劃是2600,對。那就對啦,那你計劃性變少變成地方自主性變強,還不是一樣。那你看一下地方怎麼翻譯。有一句話啦,摸一手來出啦,存乎一心啦,要不要做而已啊。 |
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副長,我們在這邊等你等了快一年多,都等沒人了對啊,財劃法本來要請你趕快提出版本尊重你的想法跟看法結果我等了一年多有句歌叫等沒人了,但都等沒人了副長好,謝謝委員,謝謝好,謝謝明財接著請張祺凱委員發言 |
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法定人數不足 |
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跟委員上次有拜會委員那時候有提到我們在《財化法》上努力第一個我們跟地方政府收集相關意見他們所提出的指標有80幾個我們要釐清它每一個指標背後的含義部長你能力應該很強啊你怎麼一直在聽消息這怎麼是消息聽消息或是徵詢完之後你都沒有消化車子現在改革列車已經開了 |
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而且很重要的我問你一個很關鍵的其實最後要不要過的前幾天啊卓榮泰卓院長是有找上韓國瑜韓院長的他說再給他4個月所以你們財政部長有初步的已經有初步的草案嗎 |
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跟委員報告第一個在指標裡面已經有共識剩下三個指標沒有共識那接下來各個指標要怎麼樣配置這個權重以及每一個指標裡面要有要做一個更精細的一個配置比如跟委員報告比如以人口來說 |
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現在通過的法案人口很單純就是45%但是人口的結構裡面有超過65歲還有14歲以下的孩童他需要的施政的成本跟服務的成本是比較高應該要做各種不同的一個層數的一個調整所以人民很期待不只是有一個有能力有擔當的財政部長他要感德上時代啊我先講第一個很重要觀念 |
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這個法已經25年沒修了在這25年來從陳水扁當總統的時候有行政院的院版第二個蔡英文剛上來的時候我提醒你好幾次了林全也有林全的版本2012年民進黨的黨主席蘇貞昌就以前的前院長帶著所有民進黨的縣市長包括那時候台南市長賴清德賴清德怎麼說財化法再不修他是一個不公不義的惡法 |
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他當行政院長也說要提版本啊我講兩個很重要的觀念25年來所有的法令能夠向《財化法》引起這麼多的關注這麼多討論他是歷史上的第一個所以不要再講什麼《財化法》沒有討論這是第一個點很重要第二個是連民進黨都認為要修而且從陳水扁、蔡英文一直到賴清德 |
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那怎麼可以大家已經把這個改革方案拿出來了民眾黨也提了、國民黨也提了行政院到後來版本沒有出來說要再等4個月這樣對得起人民嗎?好,部長來我問你,我們現在最重要是解決問題啦不只對不起人民這天我看了老腳是非常生氣的你前天還到行政院開會跟組紀長然後連續這兩三天一個一個部會 |
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貿出來：所有的施政沒辦法做了現在是在擒賊還是在詐騙?中央政府這麼好走少了3753億就沒辦法做事情了嗎?我先問你今年啊委員保證我先問你一下113年啊現在馬上要12月底了113年度的稅數有多少錢? |
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今年中央政府總計算的稅率多少錢?是指稅率是不是?中央政府的稅率看一下喔我練給你聽啦兩兆七千兩百五十二億好那我們現在正要審的已經暴增到多少?三兆一千五百三十四億我練你把它減一下 |
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把我們明年準備要用的準備收的這個稅入減掉今年的增加多少?4,282億所以少了3,753億怎麼會沒辦法運作呢?最壞最壞的狀況下最基本的狀況下回到今年的預算規模今年運作得很好啊110升你運作得很好啊這是我給大家第一個觀念 |
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少了三千七百五十三億最多最多回到今年度113年度的規模今年整個中央政府各個部位運作的非常好所以少了這三千多億不是問題這是第一個點 第二點我再幫你找辦法現在立法院正在審議算啊如果真的從行政院到各個部位一直挨挨說我選不選不選沒有要做事情 |
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這方法很簡單啊!立法院在那邊審預算啊!就砍3753例以上嘛!減劣嘛!這減劣才多少?不到10% 欸 將近10%而已啊!我跑那麼久的政治新聞以前的中央政府總預算 刪掉10%以上的 有的! |
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所以如果這些繼續叫、繼續欺騙民眾、繼續情樂很簡單嘛我們就是在總預算的審查現在立法院正在審我們就刪掉3753例以上那你的問題就解決了啦委員預算送出來之前都有施政計畫那我們是根據施政計畫來編預算那如果說第一個 |
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稅出預算裡面3兆多裡面有法律義務支出那個是不能少,那是法律義務那剩下的就不是只有3兆1000多了那影響就會很大但是會影響到中央的施政所以各部會現在都在檢視是會有影響的立法委員代表人民監督行政院監督審查所有的預算預算檢視最重要的喔我剛已經跟你提過了 |
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1、以前3個百分之10是有的2、我們的中央政府總計算單會不夠多嗎?復編的不夠多嗎?幣案那麼多砍個10%砍個3753億很正常啊人民我相信很多人鼓掌2、解決你們的問題啊 |
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所以這是第二個解決方案第一個我跟你講回到以前的規模第二個解決方案就是該刪減的預算要刪減幫人民看緊每一分民脂民膏第三個方法啊我記得你前天記者會你跟主席長講得最有建設性了你說必要說什麼舉債嘛以前都說了保定疫情都說了超收這有什麼事情有些還債嘛對不對 |
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有些去還債、減少舉債但是債有債務的上限你有沒有發現你去減少舉債、去還債那你現在你說要解決現在這個問題你今年超收了5100億喔 |
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你拿去減債或者還債對不對那你這邊舉債那不是兩個這個水是通的嗎所以很容易的解決啊你把你超收的錢如果你接了3000多億不夠 |
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你就追加預算、整支筆減薪繼續用就好啦是不是這樣子?所以這問題還是可以解決另外抱歉我講最後一個這時候有提的抱歉抱歉這時候有提的很重要的觀念那個你是外部委員你已經用掉我們很多的時間我們還有那個陳一貞委員是本委員、外部委員 |
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我提的是非常具體的建議可是那後面還有很多的委員啊拜託好不好我每一次來都給你很多的時間了你應該要尊重我啊你這個超過的時間太多了我最後講一個觀念好不好這次的財化法這個修正啊沒有讓地方變得很好大家看一下這個圖 |
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我們的各個縣市的自籌財源都非常的偏低大家看一下真正有一個可以稱為小康的差不多只有台北市他自籌財源的比例多少57.91欸以下的從新北市到台中這些 |
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有5個是40幾%的有3個30幾%的接下來所有的縣市12個從前台灣有12個縣市22個縣市裡面有12個他自有的財源自己用的財源都在25%以下所以這次下放的這個錢22個縣市去分只是有些從赤坪變成小坪小坪變成省都到小康 |
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中央才是唯一的富豪嘛大富豪啊所以不要叫中央已經沒錢中央從中央政府總預算到國營事業到基金6兆多22縣市全部加起來剛好差不多超過1兆而已6比1耶現在下放個3000都一直在那邊叫地方好好做不是對中央做前途都很好嗎 |
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所以我請做個結論第一個不要再叫錢不夠沒辦法做事你要嘛就取債要嘛立法委員幫你把這個預算減淚更重要的拜託一下重視我們的地方知識讓地方可以好好發展好不好我們照顧所有的基層的民眾好不好不要再叫沒錢錢的問題是可以解決更重要讓地方有自主財力有長久的計畫照顧到每個縣市的民眾非常感謝當即該委員的花言接著請陳一貞委員花言 |
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法定人數不足 |
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我們那個我國的這個金融市場競爭很激烈金管會統計資料裏頭本國銀行有38家總行3388家分行表示我們的國內的銀行業是很高度競爭的跟其他的這個國營事業比起來 |
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那面對這個整體的金融環境很快速變遷建立金融業是很需要人才虛才恐極那看每一年的這個金融招考人數可以看出來但是部長請問這也很多人問過我們也是很關心因為要用好人才才會有好的這個相關的這個營業跟發展那要好人才你總是不能給他非常差的待遇比如說你看國營國營的金融銀行的員工的福利 |
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相對於犯公股銀行的員工福利來講犯公股有沒有優勢?我們國營的部分因為國營銀行它有相關法規的一些制度要遵守所以它目前來說不管是薪資或福利的部分跟犯公股銀行之間確實有一個差距同樣頻頻在銀行業工作事實上這也造成不公平也會造成我們這個國營銀行的競爭 |
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我們當然是希望能夠吸引更優秀的以及留住優秀的人才我看別委員有誤過請你們主動哪些法規的限制如果需要立法委員這邊來協助你們主動提出來或者我們一起來幫忙修正這些 |
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法律可以給他們比較公平的待遇那沒有法規的限制的部分比如像你看那個伙食費有嗎?伙食費從民國82年到現在都沒有調整啊現在國營的金融事業機構伙食費多少錢?國營的 國營的部分可能現在有我們我們有台灣銀行他們在這邊是不是有他們直接來回答請問相關的問題他們比較了解請他們回答一下 |
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范工股的優勢多少?范工股有沒有一起回答一下?跟委員報告,國營事業的伙食費目前是每個月750塊那如果一般的范工股范工股呢?范工股就是參照我們財政部所訂的營利事業管理準則3000塊3000塊,這樣是不是差4倍? |
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對,這樣是不是差距?部長,這樣是不是差距太多了?這是應該適度調整的。是的,我想對我們的公主的婚姻,應該很久了吧。這個事實上非常的不公平,雖然是這個經驗不適,但是這個東西馬上我們就可以做嘛。這個應該不用等到法規修正吧。 |
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謝謝委員的支持我想這個部分也涉及到人種的法規我們會跟人種來溝通果實費這種應該是果實費這麼小的事情750跟3000塊這種東西還要人種的法規喔是我想這個部分我們會來努力跟支持也謝謝委員的支持還有來我再問一下比如說 |
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員工的生意補助呢?我想台銀的知道國營的跟飯工股有差多少?目前台銀的生意補助費是5000塊飯工股每一家不太一樣,但是平均下來的話每一家大概是10萬塊 |
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五千和十萬這樣是差幾倍啊?差二十倍啊這樣是不是真的太過不公平了那你會讓這個我們這個國營的那大家當然是比較會往說待遇比較好的地方走那讓我們的國營的金融事業機構的這個這個員工可能如果要留才啊或什麼這樣子就幫助不大這個也差太多了二十倍這個部分還有呢績效獎金呢 |
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要做好績效我們給錢不是只有給,我們還要看績效嘛,這個很重要的嘛那國營的金融事業機構員工績效已經發多少?范工股也發多少?目前國營的話是上限是4.4個月那范工股呢?范工股大概平均是8個月以上那也差兩倍啊我們也是要求績效,沒有績效也是不能給獎金的我是蠻重視權責的這樣的人所以這個整體 |
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請問部長,你這個是不是如果可以先做的即便是小的,比如說伙食費、時間補助,這是比較小的或是這個,這種如果比較小的,不需要來修法的,那是不是先來做? |
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是不是可以馬上就可以做?跟委員報告我想財政部對於我們的國營的金融機構的一個待遇跟那個福利的調整基本上都是採支持的一個態度所以比如說薪資的調整我們在107年就跟公務員的薪資來做脫鉤我剛有回答過我知道我先請教你的我剛問的這些問題裡頭應該有一些我知道你支持那我是不是請你 |
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在裏面不用修法的部分你先做主項、逐項的來如果不需要修法的你多久可以做呢?我們一起來跟主總來做檢討也會跟我們的主事一直來看看要怎麼來做好不好現在是12月底啊?對啊多久呢?那給我們幾個三個月的時間 |
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需要到三個月嗎?這樣好不好?因為今年過年是不是一月底、二月嘛?對啊對嘛,我們開議可能是二月份嘛那應該這一、兩個月就可以好,我們盡力來做這個部分的先從不需要修法的做起,我們一步一步一步一步來做好不好那另外你要三個月可以這前面這不用修法,你兩個月把它檢討出來需要修法的部分麻煩下個會期我們開前送過來立法院,如果需要我們這邊修法我想 |
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法律的話就不在財政部的法律裡面了對 那你們提出來嘛報告寫 該哪個單位修或者我們主動提修法也可以像我們說財化法 你們不修我說我們立法院可以代理你們前進你們不修我們往前修你們必須要跟上這個好不好 這個部分就是兩個月跟三個月法律的部分可能在組總我們這個部分再跟大家一起討論好 那我也會問他們啦好 謝謝委員那我們來談這個財化法財化法部分因為 |
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通過以後你們都說沒有充分討論其實討論很多次那沒關係你們說我還想說這個我們怎麼樣來如果說怎麼樣大家本來行政、立法之間本來很多事情是可以也是有辦法的不至於那麼嚴重你們說現在各個部會今天跑出來說什麼嚴重衝擊說施政能量什麼急速發展什麼擴大城鄉差距 |
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因為剛剛有很多部委提了剛剛我們很多人也提了很多方法嘛三預算幫你們三千多億那你看 超徵這個也是事實嘛你們財政部事實上做得蠻好的啊這幾年我跟副院主都超徵嘛這三年多每一年都超徵有三千億以上嘛第一個這個就是一大筆錢對不對 是不是有超徵 |
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跟委員報告,我們是這個時增數超過預算數對阿,就是超過,就是要去拿去拿去,那也是,就是你要去拿去拿也沒錢,但的確是有錢,不是說沒有錢嘛那第二個部分,你說沒有修正,25年都沒有修正啊我們這一屆,我們開了6次的委員會,羅兵蔡委員跟我也有召開,公聽會也有舉辦兩場公聽會那兩場的時候,我看那個陳其邁市長在說什麼,邀請他來,沒人跟他講話,我們現時我就邀請了4次欸 |
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本院委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘 |
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委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查 |
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你們可以繼續討論啊你們可以繼續你還可以繼續凝聚共識啊如果你們覺得現在修了真的很讚你們可以繼續凝聚共識嘛你看多久還要凝聚你的共識還要凝聚多久呢 |
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委員報告我想這個部分我們會先就立法院三組通過這個法案來做一個通牌的一個審視對中央施政的一個障礙我來看一下還有你們說什麼擴大成長差距事實上我按照你們這張試算的結果來講你看看事實上縣市政府增加了170%六都增加是60%所以按財政部的試算表示縣市政府就是這個不是直轄市是受益的所以是 |
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是大幅提高縣市政府的財政能力而不是拉高不是拉大六都跟廢六都的差距這個我要跟您說一下這是按照你們的表格沒有看到吧沒錯吧好我剛因為我有聽到拉大是一個相對的一節拉大對就相對的事實上是更那個嘛 |
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實際上是縣市政府大幅提高提高170%6度才提高60%另外我又聽到很多委員像我們我們召委台南的就是說你看比如黃偉哲說不公平啊台南怎樣好像高雄台南都是好像在好像對他們不公平我來按照這個表格跟你們說一下在修法前修法前就是卓永泰所說的最好的方法就是原來那個法律嘛原來是北大一南嘛卓永泰說最好的方法請問修法前台南市拿多少統籌款 |
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限制分配是不是我那個表修法以前吧3221吧是排名第幾排名這個要第6啦我幫你排的啦我幫你算出來就在六都台南在修法前是第6嘛齁修法前高雄拿多少統籌款500億啦好是排名第幾第三啦第三嘛齁所以修法前台南是第6高雄是第三修法後排名有改變嗎 |
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第二條,保障一般性補助款不得降低 |
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就是在修法不能低於前一年的嘛那在前一年你看這例年來屏東、台南跟高雄110年到114年你看喔這個屏東都是第一名一般性補助款都是第一名台南市、高雄市都是第二名一般性補助款台南市都是第三名我們還保障了原來這些縣市一般性補助款比較高的金額修法後這些還是要給你們這樣的金額 |
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所以相對的這些縣市這些屏東縣、台南市跟高雄市一般性補助款原來就比較多也不會降低委員財劃法、中央統籌分配稅款用意在於調節財政移需委員您看一下是不是把這個差距越拉越大了 |
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我現在講的是我們對台南跟高雄因為補助了一般性補助款這一條所以我們對台南高雄屏東南部縣市我很多親友都住在高雄跟台南我對高雄跟台南都是很有感情 |
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臺南、高雄、屏東都是第一名、第二名、第三名我們要求你們不能把這些縣市的一般性補助款降低那他們本來就是比較高的還要保障他們所以這樣事實上對臺南、高雄、屏東來講事實上也算是很公平不會讓這些臺南市的委員、高雄市的委員、屏東的委員回去沒有辦法交代 |
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陳培宇、陳培宇、陳培宇、委員不在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
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鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌委員不在好 謝謝那個今天登記花園的委員均已詢答完畢現在討論事項第一跟第三案跟臨時的提案共兩案的處理依據先讀的時間13分鐘先讀完畢以後我們進行協商請議事人員先讀議事人員先讀 |
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來請議事人員先讀宣讀《菸酒稅法修正草案》等10案第18條部分行政院提案對照現行條文第一項修正為納稅義務人與其繳納菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐贈應加徵滯納金第二項據莫修正為致納稅義務人自動繳納或強制執行徵收繳納之日子 |
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依各年度一月一日有證儲金一年期定期儲金固定利率按日計算利息一併徵收其餘未修正委員李柏毅等人提案經對照同行政院提案條文委員賴惠員等人提案對照現行條文第一項修正為納稅醫務人與其繳納因酒稅及菸品健康福利捐贈因依據《稅捐基金法》第20條之規定加徵至納金第二項修正部分經對照同行政院提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
14479.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14503.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
委員郭國文等人提案竟對照同行政院提案條文委員吳琪銘等人提案竟對照同行政院提案條文第19條部分行政院提案對照現行條文除序文莫具修正為按補徵金額處3倍以下之罰還以及刪除現行各款者文字外其餘未修正委員李柏毅等人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14504.822 |
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14529.725 |
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經多教同行政院提案條文、委員賴惠員等人提案、多教現行條文、儲蓄文具沒修正為按補徵金額儲3倍以下皆罰還其裁罰基準由主管機關定之以及刪除現行各款者文字外其餘未修正委員郭國文等人提案經多教同行政院提案條文、委員吳琪銘等人提案經多教同行政院提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
14530.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14558.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
委員曲曉欣等人提案對照現行條文除序文末具修正為按補徵金額儲5倍以下之罰還其餘未修正委員賴世寶等人提案對照現行條文除序文末具修正為按補徵金額儲3倍以下之罰還其餘未修正委員吳麗華等人提案對照現行條文除序文末具修正為按補徵金額及依其情節輕重儲3倍以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
14560.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14576.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
法環以及刪除現行各款者文之外其餘未修正委員張志倫等人提案對照現行條文除序文莫拘修正為按補徵金額處3倍以下之法環其餘未修正委員陳玉珍等人提案經對照同行政院提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
14577.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14603.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
第21條部分行政院提案委員李柏毅等人提案委員賴惠員等人提案委員郭國文等人提案委員吳琪銘等人提案委員賴世保等人提案委員吳立華等人提案委員張志倫等人提案均會刪除第21條。第23條部分行政院提案對照性行條文第一項未修正第二項修正為本法修正條文除中華民國91年6月12日修正公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
14605.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14631.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
條文第106年6月14日修正公佈條文及某年某月某日修正之條文自公佈日施行外,其施行日期由行政院定之。委員李柏毅等人提案經對照同行政院提案條文委員賴惠員等人提案對照現行條文第一項未修正第二項修正為本法修正條文除中華民國91年6月12日修正公佈之條文 |
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14632.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14645.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
106年6月14日修正公佈之條文及某年某月某日修正之條文自公佈日施行以外其施行日期由行政院定之委員、郭國文等人提案應對照同行政院提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
14646.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14666.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
委員吳琪銘等人提案經對照同行政院提案條文委員陳玉珍等人提案對照現行條文第一項未修正第二項修正為本法修正條文於中華民國91年6月12日修正公佈條文106年6月14日修正公佈條文及每年某月某日修正之條文自公佈日 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14667.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14694.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
施行之接續宣讀《土地稅法》第54條修正草案等6案。行政院提案對照現行條文處第二項默劇修正為處在行出售已轉現值2%以下之法黃外期未修正。委員賴氏寶等人提案經對照同行政院提案條文委員林楚英等人提案對照現行條文處第二項默劇修正為處在行出售已轉現值3%以下之法黃外期未修正。 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
14695.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14724.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
委員徐曉欣等人提案對照現行條文處第2項末具修正為處在行出售已轉現值10%以下之法環外其餘未修正委員賴惠元等人提案對照現行條文處第2項具末修正為處在行出售已轉現值2%以下之法環其裁量基準由主管機關訂定之外其餘未修正委員郭國文等人提案經對照同行政院提案條文接續宣讀臨時提案第一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14725.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14744.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
公股四大金控旗下子公司重疊性高例如軍舍有證券投信資產管理創投然而規模不大、中小有限對金控獲利貢獻相當有限以投信為例112年4家投信獲利介於-0.1億至1.1億而資產管理公司獲利則介於0.27億至3.4億另為因應處理甲洲金融風暴帶來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14752.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14777.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
大量不良資產2001年各銀行投資設立臺灣經營公司其中公股持股超過8成然而四大金控成立之後又各自成立AMC時至今日當年不良資產機已處理完畢加以金融監管加強各銀行預放比處理時低檔臺灣今年及各金控旗下AMC業務有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
14778.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14794.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
以臺灣金融為例今年營收不到20億元業務當存而董事長年度薪酬近千萬更是國有金控的3倍以上導致近年人事爭議不斷外界亦有批評草房草股先前更發生高層草股違法發放7千億萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
14796.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14813.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
獎金必按使資源有效利用提高經營績效公股監控整併議題向為各界所關注考量企業文化、員工意願及推動難度應考慮優先推動各監控子公司整併特別是前述同性資產管理公司臺灣今年 |
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14814.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14834.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
等公司整併並檢討臺灣今年董作薪資合理性以提高國庫投資效益請財政部於2個月內提出具體評估報告提案人郭國文、吳琪懷惠員第二案我國國民黨立委強行黑箱通過《財政說之劃分法》要求中央釋出 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14835.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14852.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
三千七百五十三億給地方政府將嚴重衝擊我國中央預算然而,面對過時且不合時宜之印花稅與娛樂稅過去財政部皆以相關稅責為地方政府的重要財源且替代財源的籌措仍有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14853.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14871.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
還不依廢紙作為反對廢紙之理由為現今地方政府獲得3753億之收入或先前主張之反對理由已不存在。原提案請財政部重新研議廢除櫻花稅與餘留稅並於一個月內提出書邊報告提案人郭國文也屬任吳麗華賴惠員 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
14884.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14909.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
使用牌照稅法第29條、第30條及第31條條文修正草案等8案。行政院提案對照現行條文修正第29條條文為未依交通管理相關法規申請申領臨時牌照、試車牌照或已於上開牌照使用期限之交通工具使用公共水路道路經常或者除適用前條第二項或第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
14910.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14932.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
之情形外應責令補稅並除以因納稅額一倍以下之罰還。第30條違反第12條第一項規定新購、新進口或新裝配未領牌照之交通工具使用公共水路道路經潮或者除責令補稅外並除以因納稅額一倍以下之罰還。第31條交通工具使用牌照有轉賣遺用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
14935.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14950.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
處以應納稅額二倍以下之罰款但最高不得超過新台幣15萬元委員賴氏寶等24人提案修正第29條條文為違反本法第11條規定經查獲之交通工具主管計政機關應責令補稅領照並處以應納稅額一倍以下之罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
14956.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14980.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
第30條違反第12條規定新購未領牌照之交通工具使用公共水路道路經查獲者除責令補稅外並除以應納稅額一倍以下之罰款第31條同行政院提案條文委員陳清輝等17人提案第29條違反本法第11條規定經查獲之交通工具主管計政機關應責令補稅領照並除以應納稅額一倍以下之罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
14985.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14999.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
第30條違反第12條規定者新購未領牌照之交通工具使用公共水路道路經查獲者除責令補稅外並除以因納稅額一倍以下之罰款第31條同行政院提案條文 |
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15000.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
15028.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
委員張志倫等18人提案第29條違反本法第11條規定經查獲之交通工具主管集中機關應責令補稅領照並除以應納稅額一倍以下之罰還第30條違反第12條規定新購未領牌照之交通工具使用公共水路道路經查獲者除責令補稅外並除以應納稅額一倍以下之罰還第31條同行政院提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
15029.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
15044.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
委員陳素月等19人提案第29條為依交通管理相關法規申領臨時牌照、試車牌照或已於上開牌照使用期限之交通工具使用公共水路道路經查獲者除本法令有處罰規定外應責令補稅並除以應納稅額一倍以下之罰還 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
15049.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
15077.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
第30條從行政院提案條文第31條交通工具使用牌照有轉賣遺用者處新台幣5萬元以上、15萬元以下罰還委員賴惠員等17人提案第29條及第31條從行政院提案條文第30條違反第12條第一項規定新購、新進口或新裝配未領牌照之交通工具使用公共水路道路經查獲者 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
15077.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
15085.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
除責令補稅外並除以因納稅額一倍以下之罰還財法基準由主管機關令定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
15087.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
15111.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
委員郭國文等16人提案第29條、第30條及第31條軍統行政院提案條文委員陳玉珍等19人提案第30條違反第12條第一項規定新購、新進口或新裝配未領牌照之交通工具使用公共水路道路經查獲者除責令補稅外並除以應納稅額一倍或以下之罰還 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
15112.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
15139.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
第31條交通工具使用牌照有轉賣遺用者除以因納稅額二倍或以下之罰還但最高不得超過新台幣15萬元宣讀完畢好,我們現在進行協商那就跟協商法案沒有相關的這個單位我們先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
15141.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
15152.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
好 現在進入那個《菸酒稅法》第18條請問在場的委員有沒有意見那如果沒有意見的話吳立法委員有沒有意見沒有意見齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
請問在場的委員有沒有意見?沒有意見的話,我們也照行政院版提案通過。針對的就是第21條,請問在場的委員有沒有意見?若沒有意見的話,我們就照行政院提案通過。 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
15182.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15189.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
針對第23條,在場委員有沒有意見?若沒有意見,我們就照行政院提案通過。 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
15206.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
15227.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
使用牌照稅,針對第29條使用牌照稅,請問在場委員有沒有意見?沒有意見的話,我們就照行政院院板提案通過針對第30條,請問在場委員有沒有意見?沒有意見的話,我們照行政院提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
15229.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
15252.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
針對第31條請問在場的委員有沒有意見如果沒有意見的話我們也照行政院提案通過接著我們要進入土地稅法第54條請問在場的委員有沒有意見如果沒有意見的話我們就照行政院提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15255.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15255.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
郭文貴議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
15271.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
15289.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
財政部說明一下好不好財政部對於郭委員這一個提案對於我們台灣今年董作新之的合理性希望能夠做一個評估我想這個部分財政部遵照辦理好 謝謝那就是這個臨體的部分財政部照那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
15293.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
15301.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
財政委員請補充對於財政部要求財政部重新研議廢紙、印花稅跟娛樂稅我們這個部分是不是建議由一個月修正為三個月讓我們提出一個書面報告我們想時間上是不是給我們一個三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
15318.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
15338.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
我是對第一句有意見,內容我是沒意見,就是硬化稅項他說什麼國民黨強行黑箱通過,這個改成立法院就好,因為是立法院通過的,也不是我們就可以通過的我把這幾個字改成立法院通過財政稅法要做的,欸等一下,將嚴重衝擊這一段也不用了啦,什麼嚴重衝擊也不用了,因為他的重點是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
15348.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
硬化稅跟餘熱稅嘛是地方的問題就第一段前面那支改成立法院通過財政修法要甩的地方然後後面這一句劃掉江湖中通局這個也是劃掉然後藍 呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
15353.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
15354.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
15384.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
15398.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
強行黑箱通過那就是陳一貞議員說是不是委員陳一貞委員說是不是就是立法院嗎我是同意啦把那個主持就是不需要國民黨但是我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
15399.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
15406.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
因為這是前提所以我覺得就是剛通過的《財政收支劃分法》中央釋出3753億給地方政府將嚴重衝擊我國中央預算我覺得這是他的前提 |
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15414.944 |
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15429.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
他的目的是希望地方可以,這跟中央沒什麼關係他的目的是希望地方不要那個,就地方會有財源啦所以就可以討論印花稅跟起花稅所以這跟中央有沒有衝擊預算一點關係都沒有那我跟妳講齁,依正是不是那個嚴重衝擊那個中央預算那個留下來沒有關係啦前面就是我們針對的目前通過,立法院通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
15443.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
15445.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
那請兩位委員我附送一次那個案由立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15478.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
15485.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
針對日前通過財政收支劃分法,要求中央釋出3753億給地方政府,衝擊我國中央預算。 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
15504.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
15508.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
衝擊我國中央預算,面對過時且不合法,恐將衝擊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
15530.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
15531.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
一個月變成三個月謝謝兩位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15565.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15567.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
好,協商完成,請議事人員先讀協商的結論先讀協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
15572.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
15596.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
《菸酒稅法》部分第18條照行政院提案通過第19條照行政院提案通過第21條照行政院提案通過第23條照行政院提案通過使用牌照稅法部分第19條照行政院提案通過第30條照行政院提案通過第31條照行政院提案通過土地稅法部分第54條照行政院提案通過 宣讀完畢好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15601.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15624.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
還有臨時提案喔臨時提案,第一案,照案通過第二案,修正通過,宣告完畢好,謝謝那請問各位委員對協商的結論有沒有意義沒有好,沒有意義齁,那就是我們照案協...那個...照協商結論通過今日的會議做成以下的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
15626.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15639.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
說明跟詢答完畢委員質詢未及答覆及請補充資訊請相關部會在一週內以書面答覆委員令有要求期限的時候從其所定 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
15652.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15679.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
委員王鴻輝所提的書面執行都列入紀錄、刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆:「菸酒稅法的部分條文修正草案等10案,審查完均,並按一具審查報告,提案院會討論,院會討論前不需交由黨團協商,院會討論時由本席補充說明。」請各位委員對以上的決議有沒有異議? |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
15681.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15708.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
好,沒有異議那我們就通過使用牌照稅法的第29條、第30條、第31條條文修正草案等8案審查完畢並按凝聚審查報告提報宴會討論宴會討論前不需交由黨團協商宴會討論時由本席補充說明請各位委員對以上的決議有沒有異議好,沒有異議那我們就通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
15710.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15715.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
這針對的《土地稅法》第54條條文修正草案等6案審查完略 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15717.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15745.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
並按寧據審查報告提報宴會討論宴會討論前不需交由黨團協商宴會討論時有本席補充說明請各位委員對以上的決議有沒有異議?好,沒有異議就通過中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部會有關財政部主管中國輸入銀行輸出入銀行台灣金融控股 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
15746.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15767.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
公司含臺灣銀行、臺銀人壽保險公司、臺銀綜合證券公司明日上午9點繼續審查本日會議議程已進行完畢倘若有不在場的委員補題書面執行一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
15772.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15773.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
我要請兩個單位留下來,兩個單位拜託請留下來 |