| IVOD_ID |
164107 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164107 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T09:59:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T10:07:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db620647eb76a6bb0e7b030ba4996051aeafda6f2d8e3477dae8b571ebbc9e398835ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:43 - 10:07:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出「國家情報工作暨國家安全局業務報告」，並備質詢。） |
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蔡局長來 蔡局長請謝主席 蔡委員長主席長 委員長局長剛才在聽您的報告裡面 |
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有几个议题特别提出来做一个建议第一个您提到英国最近公布了国家安全战略其实我们很多的友好国家都有国家安全战略那么中国大陆它是叫大战略川普2.0的战略在今年底或明年初也会公布因为它是根据1986年的高尼法案 |
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因为国家安全战略它是长期的它不只是国防军事它包括它的社会韧性包括它的金融包括它的能源医疗体系社会结构都含括在内我们局里面在跨部会的协商当然扮演一个很重要的角色 |
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什么时候我们中华民国官方版的国家安全战略可以在我们赖总统这一任内公布我想邀请局长这边鼎力建议跟协助 |
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因为它的目标是长期的目标那不是短期的军事威胁所以它是维持和平促进繁荣那我们国防部也出了国家安全战略国防战略但是着陷在军事上所以我们的这个QDR四年期总检还有我们的这个白皮书它强调的是社会防卫任性国防民生嚇阻敌人赢得战争但是它涵盖的目的 |
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不够没有上游的国家安全战略的指导跨部会的协商在责任分摊上面他会有时候也会产生一条协调的困难这个我们是需要国安局在上面来协助指导以色列 |
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跟這個哈姆斯或者是跟這些中東的國家通常是贏得了戰爭但是有的時候是輸掉了贏得戰鬥輸掉戰爭但是即便是贏得了戰爭如果輸掉和平像俄國入侵或這種狀況下全民是受災的因此國家安全戰略給一個長期的預警做一個指導是很重要的那今天您特別提到資安的這個 |
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重要性我想貴局已經在內部做了很多的這個資安過濾有資訊大部分的資訊尤其是供應鏈的supply chain還有一個基礎設施 |
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我们要满足战略安全的需求包括分级跟审查的标准涉及到情资共享那么有些运用AI的技术它的云端在国外这个部分我们要考虑到合约里面的就是说我的自主性因为不见得是完全用国内的云端AI的技术有部分在国外包括软体硬体查核机制下面我就提供一张图片做参考 |
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就是說我們的關鍵性基礎設施它不是單一列名單列項目比方講人員發電廠電網醫療體系金融體系甚至通訊民間的這些廣播系統它產生了一個互聯性的關係我們從這個圖來看這個是用AI來幫我排序做的架構你看看這個複雜性有多少 |
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它就不是单一的层次的问题所以它牵动了比方讲我们的发电设施电网设施地面的通讯机动通讯卫星通讯甚至金融服务医疗体系它有一个互联性的 |
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网路这个在规矩里面是一个非常重要的一个角色协助监控也是提供部会不同部会提醒它的重点这个是属于一个预警什么真后出现了 |
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那么金融体系有一个状况保险增加了或者是天然气的迟到了就像灰色地带中共做这些嚇阻动作拦截了某一条天然气的船产生的结果这个图它会持续跟进的后面的一张我就特别介绍 |
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这次花莲大水灾产生的结果就是马太安溪的状况这个图是用美方的海洋大气总署的3D图做的这个图是灾前的河流的状况下我们国家在一流之后也有用不同的资料拿到的位照但是关键在我给您看一张 |
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這是日本公布的衛星照片也就是它這個雁塞湖不管你講潰堤或是溢流它整個沖下來已經不只是說我們那個堤防缺口了它實際是從山坡後面就直接沖下來那這種狀況下如果貴單位能夠也有一個共同圖像的平台 |
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协助我们政府因为国军也有在做救灾进去可是我们并没有及时的卫照去focus on这个灾情状况那希望贵局除了在威胁以外天然灾害的威胁也能够跟友好国家取得一个卫照经过校正泡碟那你看完这个图就知道并不是想象中公布的 |
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完全是河川然後一流把堤防沖掉從破口進來它實際上已經從我們住宅區的後面從山上沖下來了這個圖像也是運用一些工情資料結合衛照結合我們講的共同圖像套疊做3D的參考這個上面以上提供局長做參考您看看有沒有什麼指導回應好 |
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謝謝委員的指導因為委員每次在詢答的過程當中都很有系統性的來提示我們應該要注意到的一些相關國安議題在國家安全戰略部分我們在內部討論我會轉達委員的意見相關的一個重要性第二部分是在通訊跟資安的韌性我想我們也曾經跟委員報告過這一部分一直是本局一個業務的重點我們會以現有的基礎持續的來提升我們在這一方面防護的一個量能 |
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特別在政府內部討論的時候也要來注意一下跨部會的協調的部分第三個部分是有關於添災的部分也確實跟委員報告在這一次的災情之後我們是有用衛照去了解相關災情的狀況衛照收集之後我們去了解它溢流的位置以及水量在溢流之後的變化以及溢流之後對於周邊鄉鎮的影響 |
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相關資料我有提供給國防部我有提供給內政部部長希望他們在做救災指揮的時候能夠有一個空照鳥看比較全局的一個局面在相關的救災兵力的調度上也比較能夠有系統的來處理謝謝委員指導我們會繼續往這方向來努力謝謝局長我們大家共同努力謝謝 |