| IVOD_ID |
164087 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164087 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-14T17:01:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-14T17:17:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/41bbccea3aa417129d25d99f99493cfebe26ac7b86047e269d182f05f9417b3858fff7e47292a95a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林宜瑾 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:01:35 - 17:17:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝院長 有請卓院長 麻煩再請卓院長備詢林委員好 |
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好 院長好院長 本席在上個月22號有當面跟您報告過就全體台南市民因應期盼的我們台南市第一條捷運藍線第一期的建設問題那本來預計明年這條捷運就可以動工那今年3月綜合規劃也已經在國發會完成審議那經過修正6月也正式送到行政院 |
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那但是直到現在我們還要等待行政院的核定所以在這裡請教院長到底什麼時候可以核定那你是不是可以今天明確的告訴台南市民行政院最快什麼時候可以來核定部長先說一下目前的跟委員報告這個確實經過一長段的這個審查的過程那也請台南市政府做很多的修正那我們交通部也已經審定過那目前是在行政院 |
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那國發會也有做一些建議的報告不過跟委員報告就是說現在我們因為這個才化法的原因我們今年其實在捷運中央交通部能夠協助地方的預算上面其實比起過去是少很多所以今年有很多的縣市都有受到一些影響那這個部分我們目前正在盤 |
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說未來的才化法化完之後我們交通部還剩下多少的力氣可以協助各個都市的捷運的計畫也就是說分配的這個比例上面我們其實都會再做新的考量那這個部分我們希望這一兩天月能夠比較確定定案之後我相信這個審核的速度就會加快 |
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本席知道因為藍白兩黨二修了才劃法那特別是海大出包那不只導致這個中央地方這個資源跟權責始終分配不清以外那甚至包含我們台南在內的九個縣市其實他所獲得配額數還低於修法前 |
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這是百分百的人禍那所以行政院我覺得也絕對不能讓這樣的人禍然後來影響到地方的重大建設那對於我們台南的經費支持我還是衷心希望行政院能全力的來配合來支持那台南喔是六都唯一沒有這個捷運系統的城市那我們的發展已經比別人晚那結果現在不僅就是 |
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透過才化法的分配我們還分配的比別人少然後捷運建設又獲得重要的支持有可能又比別人少那我想這不僅我不能接受我想全臺南市民都不能接受所以我想怎麼樣讓才化法 |
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能有一個比較這個正確的版本來幫助我們縣市分配會比較那個平均那我舉個例來講雙北當年的捷運建設其實中央都補助八九成 |
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行政院是否可以拿出當初支持雙北的捷運的決斷力來協助台南突破修惡版的財化法的困境我想這裡延伸出兩個問題第一個就是我們符合民主程序 |
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而且讓國家真正能夠均衡的發展所謂的公正版的就我剛說的公正版的才化法行政院年底前是不是或者這個會期是否可以提出版本第二個問題是說在未來台灣的捷運建設上中央是否也可以比照當年雙北的這樣的一個支持來挹注台南的經費 |
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院長 兩個問題來答覆委員第一個 藍線的第一期 |
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國發費核算核定的這個金額是332億在核定之後的7年完成那如果現在因為我們中央跟地方財政收支發分法重新訂定之後中央少了4165億所以我們少了很多對地方補助的錢要嘛就是地方多負擔一些要嘛就是這個工程的7年要往後延那我覺得往後延大概大家接受的程度很低啦所以如何來討論出一個合理的 |
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共同分擔的一個比例這是第一個問題那第二個財化法的問題我們會在適當的時間而且應該是在今年的時間我們提出一個版本來行政院的版本那我希望這個版本垂直能夠劃分的很清楚市權能夠劃分很清楚中央地方劃分很清楚水平能夠財務非常的均衡那這樣子就不會造成現在台南所遇到的問題照新的財化法怎麼算怎麼劃 |
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到最後台南都是損失最多的對都是minus不是這樣子我們也想但是公視就是一定的我們也不能上下其手所以我們只想說是不是在明年度的財化法因為不可能大修啦明年度已經來不及了後年以後我們希望大修明年度財化法我們可不可以在還有餘裕的這個財政能夠我們來管控的部分能夠補上這些像台南像屏東甚至像嘉義雲林 |
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整個非常不公平的狀態我們把它補起來能不能有這個能力可是還是拜託院長雙軌並進第一個是不是讓我們趕快捷運可以往下走往下走的話就是先趕快核定至於要跟地方政府怎麼樣分配的問題其實總數不變的話先核定我們下面可以繼續走 |
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因為我們還有很多的規劃這些設計要走那不然明年動不了工那工程就一直往後延宕所以是不是這一趴先請院長先幫忙然後再來我們財劃板當然也要給台南一個合理的分配剛剛在答覆蘇曉慧委員相同類似新北捷運的時候我就說過我們明年希望我們中央政府總計算能夠順利的執行 |
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也行大院能夠快速的審查順利的事情那今年像這個部分的我們在今年都做一個了結跟地方該怎麼算我們今年該核定就來核定那明年中央地方行政立法兩院大步向前走好所以捷運今年一定能合併謝謝院長那再來跟院長討論就是七八月喔我們台南丹納斯颱風的風災那 |
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因為當然我們在院長的指導之下其實我們有從寬從速的發放一些經費可是市府如果立有未待的地方其實我們也希望中央再加碼協助舉例來講像泡水車的補助台南市政府反應很快可是資源不夠所以我們每台泡水汽車補助上限是一萬塊那摩托車上限是兩千塊那汽機車對於一個家庭來講真的是非常而重要 |
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建基在 電基在市府喔 已有的補助上中央是不是可以再投入一些補助的資源來攜手減輕台南市民的負擔院長這個可不可以來考慮一下幫我們在港灣道踢掛好 因為泡水車的處理我們當時是利用是地方政府是用這樣的標準對那我們這次在 |
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花蓮因為它是一個被泥沙整個埋沒掉的受損的程度是不一樣我們在車輛方面是五萬塊機車方面是一萬塊那顯然是比較多花蓮這次也受到很多善款捐助我們來做一些使用 |
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台南的這個部分也應該政財基金會有一些善款我們是不是請政財基金會重新來考量一下能不能著雨提高而且我主張把善款能夠快速積極用掉 用在該用的地方去不要讓捐款的人認為說我捐的錢是擺在銀行裡面的趕快把它捐給災民的身上讓他們去自己使用到好 謝謝院長那再來要跟院長討論 |
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中正紀念堂中長期規劃的問題有些喜歡蔣介石的人他要在家裡替他立個牌位公著其實我們都沒有意見可是如果用國家的資源強逼全民納稅來維運蔣介石這個機構我覺得這明顯違反了民主精神的作為根本也不該繼續存在在台灣社會 |
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那促轉會任務總結報告有指出目前這個國立中正紀念堂管理處組織法的定位其實他就是以法律的形式在辦理威權統治者的紀念業務所以促轉會在解散之前他也有規劃修正或廢止這個相關的條例 |
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當初提出的時程是2023年研擬草案2024到2025年要審查獲立法與立法2026跟2027要實施並完成根據行政院推動轉型正義匯報第六次的會議就有建議把中正經驗堂管理處改組成民主教育園區管理中心並入國家人權博物館 |
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本席認為你破除這個組織的意義上的權威真的是轉型正義的非常重要的工作之一所以我有完成連署並提出中正紀念堂組織法廢止案跟民主教育園區的成立所需的相關的組織法那請問這個相關的法制作業不曉得行政院什麼時候要跟上喔 |
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那另外中正紀念堂中長期轉型規劃也涉及文化資產跟文化景觀身份競合還有都市計畫等等的問題這部分因為時間的關係我再請文化部與書面跟本席辦公室來做說明那我請教院長是說這個法制如何跟上 何時跟上在轉型正義第六式會議當中決定 |
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結合歷史記憶的保存跟民主教育推廣將這個中正紀念堂有雙重的目標先轉型為民主教育園區讓我們認為說先轉型再談明先轉型再談組織以後再來說先轉型因為轉型當中之所謂轉型就是社會上有不同的意見在這邊糾葛然後我們希望這個轉型能夠順順的轉型因為轉到民主教育以及轉到這個歷史記憶的保存 |
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應該是中性的先轉型到這樣的民主園區以後讓大家熟悉這個場域讓大家先熟悉這個場域辦一些人權的活動 藝術的活動 文化的活動讓他這些 您剛剛說的威權的意向讓他漸漸淡去我們再來討論他轉型之後組織上如何強化好 院長謝謝那最後要請運動部部長 |
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我要跟院長跟運動部里楊部長來討論一下台灣的運動外交的問題中國打壓台灣的選手我們是屢見不鮮大大小小的賽事我們不僅不能使用真正的國民還得 |
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選手還要負擔這個額外的身心壓力跟安全疑慮像今年七月的世大運中國就當台灣的選手的面來搶賀電這種荒唐的案例那李昂部長剛退役你應該非常清楚台灣選手的國境處境那是實際上不只選手連在場邊家有的觀眾也會受到中國的威脅 |
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像李昂部長你去年在這個巴黎奧運這個比賽的時候場邊就有很多觀眾自發性的製作台灣諧音梗的這個看板海報可是也被遭遇無理的沒收那李部長你去年李昂配的這個最後一物喔甚至還有人在場邊羞辱性的大喊說台灣是中國的 |
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那運動部的LOGO的靈感我相信就是來自陳傑憲在十二牆轟出這個三分炮然後落雷的時候說比出那個手勢我們雖然知道說我們雖然知道他比的沒有國家的名字可是我們知道他代表什麼意義那想請教李洋部長既然你這個LOGO的創意如此有這層含利那你未來又什麼樣 |
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有什麼樣的策略要讓台灣的選手在國際比賽的時候可以毫無顧忌地秀出國家的名字另外就是往後如果遇到像搶賀電這樣的狀況或觀眾受到羞辱的時候你身為運動部長你要怎麼處置或者怎麼跟該主辦國合作來保障我們台灣公民跟我們的選手部長 |
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跟委員您報告那當然這部分我身為運動員退役我強烈的譴責任何的政治打壓因為我們希望我們運動可以是只否運動那當然我們一定會在奧會模式下希望保障任何運動員的參賽權益也希望保障我們運動員每一個人他都非常努力的訓練的過程那未來我們希望說我們可以養 |
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可以培養更多的運動員進入單向國際的組織那增加我們國際的能見度那包含我自己當時成為了部長其實我們來到有非常多的來自國際的運動員向我祝賀所以我認為 |
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運動員本身就具有國際的知名度我們也希望說像明年我也預計會參加IWG也就是我們的國際婦女運動工作小組我們希望藉由性別平權以及運動外交讓國際看見我們台灣那面對中國的打壓或羞辱這部分我們肯定是需要在奧會模式下絕對的保護運動員的參賽權益 |
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好 那再追問一下部長你在選手時間飛到各國去征戰那有哪個國家的全民運動或運動產業環境是讓你覺得可以借鏡的舉例來說像美國他是用商業的力量來維持來發展運動那像英國跟澳洲他是用政府來主導運動政策的那你要怎麼樣形成一個台灣模式的運動環境 |
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其實有非常多的國家我們台灣也有自己我們屬於我們台灣自己的優勢那未來我們希望說打造更多良善的運動空 |
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好 謝謝 |