| IVOD_ID |
164085 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164085 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-14T16:14:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-14T16:30:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/41bbccea3aa417129653658f50225448be26ac7b86047e2666e6b1b0f8fa285f45aab92cddae9f755ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:14:30 - 16:30:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝院長那我們是有請我們卓院長那我們經濟部拱部長跟交通部我們陳部長麻煩請卓院長經濟部交通部備詢蔡委員好交通部院長好 |
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我想最近揮打在台北市然後要這個T18 T17的這個台北市的狀況在國人都很關心啦都擔心說揮打會不會因為土地的問題然後造成他們現在要來投資嘉義的這件事情是不是會因此而卡關那當然了 |
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因為輝達也有主動跟經濟部這邊洽詢說是不是有可能除了T18 T17 T18之外還有沒有適當的土地所以站在嘉義的立場 |
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我們當然認為說嘉義現在台積電佈局的COWAS在我們嘉義的嘉義科學園區那我們那邊的整個六單元的整個都市計畫的一個開發事實上也是一個很適當的地方雖然不知道我這樣說我剛去到一個網紅喔 喔 讓我笑得很難聽她說 阿輝達去你們家裡是安生早餐去給雞仔叫菜中途去故宮南院 晚上吃雞肉飯 |
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就比較遏的去阿里山過不去這樣台灣定調說好像嘉義的嘉義就是這樣院長你知道這件事嗎這比較小事情啦所以我家還有很多文化的地方可以去做很多的活動當然啦我們在嘉義我們絕對不只因此嘛我們嘉義有很多好的一些生活的一些步調而且我們有 |
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更多我們不管是說在於移居的一個生活我們家裡是很多好處的有很多事實上是講是講不完但是我從這裡我還可以深深的體會到有些人站在台北市以首都的思考是怎麼去看待台北以外的都市所以這件事我覺得講回頭我還是要先從才化法 |
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國家的分配正義這件事情開始講那我們知道從過去才化法的分配就是先中六督然後再非六督所以它整個分配就是六督的思維在這一次國民黨強行通過的新的這一部才化法也就是現在大家正在爭議不休還有涉及到他們分母算錯然後分配整個亂掉的這一部荒謬的法律 |
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事實上他更加讓整個國家的一個平均的分配也就是說每個地方要平均發展的這件事情完全打亂我指的完全打亂就是說你看他把所有的指標裡面光是營利事業的營業稅指標包括人口數跟所得能力就佔了75% |
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過去土地面積是20%他把他減少了10%土地面積的一個參數只剩下10%財產成長財產稅成長率財產稅成長率是什麼是土地增值稅是房屋稅是是這個土地稅 |
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是這樣的一個財產稅的成長率也佔了10%這是在鼓勵地方去做炒房你越炒房你可以分配到越多這都不合理這整個對於說這個財產的一個分配上全部集中到了都市 |
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更何況我們所謂商業還有所謂他的科稅是以他的企業的所在地去做科稅的所以他的財產稅 營業稅也是發生在他的企業的一個所在地實際上他工廠可能會在台南 工廠可能在雲林 工廠可能在嘉義事實上在這裡對我們去爭取我們的所得分配沒有貢獻 |
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所以這整個來看在這一步的設計之下我用以嘉義縣我們114年我們的統籌分配款加上一般性計畫性的一個補助跟115年的補助就如同我這邊算是寫的就少了21億元 |
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那對我們嘉義縣是非常大的一個傷害我們已經跟其他縣市比起來我們現在努力在爭取很多樣的一個建設但是足足的我們拿到的一個統籌分配加上補助款少了20億那我們跟其他地方的差距就越大了啦所以我想請教院長那這部分呢你是怎麼樣去看待我們國家這樣一個均衡的一個議題呢 |
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好 謝謝委員對財化法的關心我想委員剛剛的一席話我也聽得出來什麼叫做一個合理而且公平分配的財化法委員有相當的看法我知道委員有相關的提案我會請我們的財政部長在廣徵各界的意見的時候也會針對朝委各黨團的意見尤其委員你提出的意見的內容我們把它跟行政院目前的覆案做一個更合理的分配 |
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我們的兩大原則第一個是垂直的劃分要能夠事全要劃分清楚 |
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水平的分配要能夠財政要均衡分配清楚就是垂直要劃分水平要均衡就是這兩個部分我覺得現在看到目前現行的新財化法看不到這樣的意思他讓強者越強但是平者卻沒有變富這個很違背我們的講法我們希望能夠把財政內比較差的縣市先把它拉起來再去講一些平均式的東西 |
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讓財政比較差的縣市能夠馬上搶起來這樣才能夠真的達到均衡台灣像幾個離島在這個重新計算公司之後他會多很多他能不能再不要用這樣公式計算說他會多很多因為合理的計算他就得到離島我們未來發展低碳熱火離島這就應該有一些經費那東部的東部漫火城鄉也應該有但是 |
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很多的包括科技園區他應該有一個產這個產業的價值但是農業區還有這個土地負擔環境成本大的地區我們也要做更多的價值這樣才對像日本為例啦日本的東京已經超過了60年他是沒有去拿統籌分配的韓國的首爾也超過了20年也沒有去 |
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去分配這個統籌分配他們都是靠他們的自由財源就足以質疑因為他們首都嘛首都那有他的優勢但是我們在這一套財政收支劃分你看把台北支援他越灌越多其他的地方卻一直受到排擠這個不公平所以院長我們贊成你所說的均衡台灣不管是垂直的水平的都必須要好好的一個參佐才是一個正確的一個才一個才化法的一個態度 |
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所以我的提案基本上我是參酌了農地的比例因為糧食安全嘛所以農地的比例很重要這個也應該把它放在指標之一我希望院長可以去審酌這一塊可以嗎我也請我們莊部長跟委員好好的請教那共同來研議一個可長可久合理的財務政收支劃分法 |
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在講到了事實上嘉義現在有很多產業園區的佈局我們有一個很重要的產業園區是馬籌後的一個叫做半導體的供應鏈也就是在馬籌後的產業園區我們又獨立的劃出40公頃 |
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那叫做半導體供應鏈的一個圓中圓的一個計畫那這個圓中圓的計畫也是因應著未來所謂先進封裝Corpus的技術這個在嘉義佈局我們希望把這些產業的供應鏈一併的在離嘉義科學園區最近的園區也就是 |
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馬籌後產業園區來規劃所謂的半導體供應鏈但是這件事情看起來目前招商的狀況還沒有達到理想中的狀態那目前招商也還在持續中那我想這件事是不是可以請院長你再責成我們經濟部是不是大力的來協助看怎麼把整個封裝先進封裝的這些供應鏈可以把它導入到嘉義 |
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讓嘉義未來跟台積電的先進封裝廠可以有一個緊密的一個產業鏈的配合呢我們應該這麼做因為這個產業園區已經是核定災難已經上手了所以他如果有內容上是不是他的誘因不足或是有些建設不足或是在時針上我們要做什麼樣的該改進 該進展的地方請經濟部來 請工業局好 請經濟部就大力的來協助我們招商因為 |
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說實在我們嘉義因為現在半老體也剛在起步啦你說我們的招商我們當然我們的熟悉的層面我們都不夠這經濟沒有辦法你們在我們家有三天那我們在嘉義的種種的對於 |
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廠商的他們來的他們一定會覺得一定超出他們期待的這一個地方是很好的好不好是不是我們安排經濟部安排一下我也去現場看一下狀況謝謝那我再來一個議題就是關於我們水上機場那這部分我已經有跟我們交通部長我們到現場去做了會刊那我的意見就是說因為既有的水上機場 |
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它就是跟第四聯隊就是空軍的部分它是共用一個機場那這個機場總共670公頃在於民航局的部分只有占1.36公頃所以只有占0.2%但是這0.2%它是在空軍基地的入口處 |
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就是民航局事實上交通是非常的雜亂就是說走進去叫你是空軍民航局就在旁邊所以我要去空軍進去那邊是要管制的那我要進去這個民航局我又不知道空軍的這個路口還是民航局的路口它基本上是一個雜亂的狀態所以 |
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我具體的來跟院長來拜託的事情就是說我們可以看下面的土呢事實上我們這裡有很大的土地如果我們把現在航廈就是民航局所在的是在這個機場的東側 |
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這個東側就是藍色的點這個藍色的點它基本上就是跟空軍是混用的所以在這裡會造成整個空軍的規劃也會產生一部分的不變 |
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所以我們把這樣的一個民航局的位置移動到了紅色的這個地點紅色這個地點它都是台塘的土地那紅色這個地點又臨近了你看這是中山高速公路的交流道它離交流道可能不到一公里再往過去一點就是高鐵所以你這樣的話就是高鐵站所以你把這個航廈移過來然後把整個動線整理起來 |
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這個民航局 這一個航廈 移動到西側這個航廈會變成最靠近高鐵的一個機場 |
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他距離高鐵可能不到不到5公里而且他馬上就緊鄰著中山高的交流道然後又緊鄰著168嘉義線的168線道所以這個光是這樣把航廈移過來不用變更機場的任何的現在空軍基地的任何的架構之下 |
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就可以讓這個機場活化而且這個機場活化後我們看到旁邊有這麼大的台塘土地這個台塘土地又根本就是這個機場一半的範圍這麼大的台塘土地未來我們可以規劃比方說像是私人飛機的停機棚或者是其他的一些規劃總而言之在交通上是方便的在於它未來的開發性 |
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也是方便的所以我希望院長你可以來支持我們讓我們水上機場增設西側的一個民航局的一個出入口也就是增設一個航廈未來這個機場就整個活絡起來了 |
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我經常有機會去到水上機場那這個部分是交通部跟國防部軍方的土地我想他們來協調一下怎麼樣對地方有利那國防部對他未來的計畫有沒有一個未來的一個構想大家兩個部會來協調一下這部分我們交通部已經在研議了因為委員相當的關心上次考察也有提到我們現在舊的航廈正在翻新當中這個部分繼續做那但是新的航廈的部分因為委員有提出來我們請民航局也在做研議 |
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不過因為這個機場是軍民合用所以交通部這邊也要跟軍方這邊來做彼此的溝通跟協調 |
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我想國防部這邊應該可以支持我們這樣的一個調整因為這調整基本上就是在東側這裡讓民用的部分跟軍用的部分把它做一個分流跟委員報告因為我們現在針對西側的這個營地的部分我們是已經有一個規劃就我們F16的這個新型的彈藥跟防護的一個機庫堡我們要在那邊興建 |
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那我們也要在那邊建置一個173公尺的部長你可能誤會了我們講的並不是說西側現在的部分我指的是指現在外圍台塘的部分也就是現在所標色紅色的這一個點所以它並不是在 |
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未來如果有增設了新的這樣的一個一個航廈的話他可能只需要一條路一條飛機跑道讓他在進入到了這個主跑道那如果是指營外的那個台湯土地的話來興建航廈跟機坪的話就變成就像委員講的要開閉一個聯絡道對 就一條聯絡道路 |
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那這個地方看用地上面可能有沒有一些衝突我們再來做西部的協調因為這並不影響到國防部的一些部署我們只要一條路可以接過去這樣就可以了 |
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然後再就把它移動到西然後我最後一個議題因為時間進來不及因為我們知道現在有所謂大南澳的一個公定放領那我想基於所謂公平的原則我希望院長在執行公定放領的時候我這個是很多農民心裡的期待他們都很想說要好好的來做然後讓國家的糧食安全但是這個公定放領如果有辦法實施的話不要只是大南澳應該要 |
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好 謝謝 |