iVOD / 164028

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IVOD_ID 164028
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164028
日期 2025-10-13
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-4-19-2
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 4
會議資料.會次 2
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-10-13T11:22:02+08:00
結束時間 2025-10-13T11:29:24+08:00
影片長度 00:07:22
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委員名稱 黃國昌
委員發言時間 11:22:02 - 11:29:24
會議時間 2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議(事由:邀請農業部部長、經濟部部長、原住民族委員會首長、國家通訊傳播委員會首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、行政院主計總處首長、內政部首長、教育部首長、交通部首長、環境部首長、文化部首長、勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形」進行報告,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 那裡面包括了非常多的水庫我從公開資訊可以找得到的從阿公店水庫寶二水庫內補職水庫一路下來這個是我從公開資訊可以找得到的部分下一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 針對有關於在水庫放光電板的這件事情民主進步黨有個辟謠專區說太陽能板沒有毒不會破壞烏山頭水庫的水質太陽能板都用清水清理大家都不用擔心不會對水質造成任何的影響請問一下經濟部經濟部的立場跟民進黨的立場是不是一致的
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 報告委員因為水質我們都有監控是如果水質有變的話我們就會知道ok好那這些水它要進到我們沒有我其實問題只有非常簡單啦在水庫裡面裝光電板的這件事情經濟部認為是不是對於飲水不會造成任何影響yes or no我們會監控如果有有異質我們就會來我先給你看喔右手邊的例子來請部長看一下右手邊的例子
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 之前在配合這個計畫的時候針對有關於曾文水庫大浦鄉公所給光電業者在曾文水庫設後來嘉義縣議會做了決議說反對對民生用水的水庫不同意設置太陽光電發電系統嘉義縣議會做了這樣子的決議以後嘉義縣政府就不發了
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 籌備許可那針對嘉義縣政府這樣子的立場經濟部贊不贊成會不會覺得嘉義縣政府是禮盲嘉義縣政府不講道理光電板不會影響飲用水的安全憑什麼不准設因為到最後啦大埔鄉公所被判罰六千萬因為嘉義縣政府不願意給他許可
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 因為我現在從地方政府到中央政府現在我看了覺得很困惑啊嘉義縣民有疑慮嘉義縣議會做決議嘉義縣政府從善如流我沒有在責怪任何一個單位的意思但問題是說中央政府說沒有問題中央政府說很乾淨很安全那一般的民眾就搞不清楚啦為什麼嘉義縣議會做了決議以後嘉義縣政府就可以不發許可
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 那針對有關於水庫放光電板的這件事情我問一個最直接的立法院如果做決議的話經濟部會遵守嗎還是經濟部認為說立法院做立法院的決議我經濟部愛怎麼幹你們管不著
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 這是我的問題因為程序上來講因為從全這個這個水庫放光電板不是只有台灣各有的現象是但這不是我的問題是那大大大致上來講的話都沒有所謂的這個水質變化的問題所以我們當然也允許這樣的處理所以嘉義縣政府不發許可就嘉義縣政府不講道理嗎是不是程序上來講的話地方政府有地方政府多種的考量可能水質的擔心自己
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 他擔心水質有沒有道理擔心水質本來就有道理就有道理嘛 非常好所以我最後關鍵的問題嘉義縣議會做了決議嘉義縣政府就不發許可現在我的問題很直接啊我們立法院如果做了這樣子的決議經濟部水利署會不會停止推動在水庫放光電板
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 這是我的問題我們程序上來講的話還是第一關就是地方政府如果不同意的話我們就不會收件你還是沒有回答我的問題如果在政策上面立法院做了這樣子的決議經濟部會不會如同嘉義縣政府一樣從善如流地方議會做決議嘉義縣政府就不發啦這個是嘉義縣政府給的理由欸
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 市長 那立法院如果決議的話總是要有一個什麼樣的理由嘛是 沒有關係啊 我100%援引嘉義縣議會的理由啊就是居民擔心用水的安全 剛剛你也說這個考慮是有道理的啊我100%援引用嘉義縣議會的理由啊現在我在思考的事情就是我們過了這樣子的決議
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 行政院會不會說立法院濫權擴權做了決議行政機關沒有必要要遵守這個是我的問題我們來看看說那個決議狀第二個問題目前國家風景區內烏山頭水庫設置光電板
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 要不要環評這件事情 我上次請教環境部部長主席不好意思 這個問題問完我就下來了然後環境部部長說什麼環境部部長說 現在是不用環評未來要不要環評 他們在考慮結果我逼問了半天了以後他把問題推給誰 他把問題推給經濟部的元素
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 他意思是說啊立法委員不要一直去問環境部環境部也很無奈啦裡面有個非常重要的目的事業主管機關他們可以不准他們可以卡著但是他們一直要推現在鍋全部給環境部背那天部長在備詢的時候看起來表情也是很無奈那我沒有辦法不能強人所難嘛所以我現在只能回來問經濟部啊經濟部水利署贊不贊成未來水面型的光電廠納入環評
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 所有的光電或者是綠能產業的推動是整個行政院甚至於全國環境上的目標所以我才不要一人一把號不會是只有我們的目標所以我問了環境部環境部不敢答他要我問經濟部所以我今天站在這邊請教部長所以我們要釐清的就是這個疑慮這個疑慮的話我們就先暫緩那如果先把它釐清
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 沒有 我的問題是你贊不贊成把它納入環評納入環評才知道有沒有辦法去消除疑慮不是嗎現在我問的問題非常的單純現在水面型的光電不用環評然後現在政策評估上面在考慮要把它納入環評從經濟部的立場贊不贊成我們是不是這個問題齁這個因為現在已經引發了
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 社会的关注是不是这个问题我们请相关单位经济部跟环境部因为今天环境部次长也有到把这个问题然后作为你们这个慎重去讨论的一个议题好不好可以吗可以喔好好谢谢主席的才智谢谢