| IVOD_ID |
164011 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164011 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T09:59:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T10:11:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc20647eb76a6bb0e7179f4a20aeac8eaf8b7b742ce6787900884be6fd1f80153f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:43 - 10:11:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、原住民族委員會主任委員、農業部部長率所屬單位就「堰塞湖監測、災害預警通報、疏散機制及災後復原重建」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另請經濟部、環境部、衛生福利部、行政院公共工程委員會派員列席備詢。） |
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主席我們這邊補充請求四方部長委員你早補充辛苦 |
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不然在這段時間說實在九月二、三發生這件事發生這件事說實在大家如果看到電視無法想像說發生在台灣中華民國包括我再來我早上回去看到電視的時候我當作是日本的海嘯重播 |
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是我看到旁邊一個三千人我告訴你,這發生在我們中華民國的台灣所以在這個規定,不如剛才我們經濟部說說在七月,他就知道有這個問題在陸陸續續開限制會,討論限制事情的時候 |
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結果像剛才補充的說我們的天災地變我們無法去預防也不夠我們能夠堅強、順序在這個過程當中說實在包括剛才朝廷留意說的說大家如果說到這個問題心肝都很艱苦 |
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你看我們如果能夠早點撤離三王爺這十九個不會過往的還有九個始終在這個過程當中但不是 |
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要說什麼人認真 什麼人怎麼樣我們是要想想 怎麼讓我們的財產可以在什麼安全的地方說實在 大家也想要住起來 大家也想要住安全的地方但是他們住到深山下來 他們的經濟還有什麼 |
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又要在我們中央政府那裡倒三天那裡倒關心結果在這個過程當中本市也覺得很奇怪造車的問題剛才補充你說的高雄的政策是如何他們的環境 |
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現在會發生風災 發生水災的時候是怎麼做才會這麼不正確沒錯這時候是不是我們中央和地方政府都要聯合去怎麼做才確定不能說 跟我這麼大個子的 |
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做不到的 做兩個人在那裡長大如果這樣補的時間一開始說八幾個人失蹤了部長聽到這八幾個人失蹤了你我每個人都非常感到非常感到怎麼會發生這樣 |
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本席要跟你說的就是我們雖然地方有阻滴法18條、19條有規定地方要做什麼地方要做什麼但是事情發生了北省哪知道你們地方要做什麼地方要做什麼在區委會當中補充你說你再通一通電話給管長快回來 |
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但是在你們的開會當中 他們的副館長都說他們安排好了 做好了今天還會發生這樣 來補充你回答一下我想這個災害的過程當中 大家都清楚了那我想目前為止還是一樣 我們不從究責的方向出發我們先從如何可以防止有更大的災害產生 |
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那我也非常清楚的跟委員報告就是我們在多次的聯繫當中啊我們也只能相信花蓮縣政府所提供這些不管是依親收容或者是撤離的這些人數 |
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那因為在當時啊我也請國軍或者是我們的這個替代役要到包括光復相公所來待命如果有需要有強制撤離的部分我們希望能夠協助沒有啦 我知道這個國軍知道這裡都很認真很努力我要跟你討論的就是說要撤離的時候等於沒有撤離他過去的時候你中央知道嗎 |
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知道他沒有撤離嗎?沒有去說救我?沒有去說阿欽要撤離?跟那個大麻村長,去說不說阿欽走?部長,在這兩天的時候,我們19號發生覺得嚴重性的日日叫人要撤離,日三發生事情 |
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在發生事情的時候,他們看到水泥沒兩分鐘,跑不掉啦現在我要跟你討論的就是說在他們沒有撤離的時候你們中央有什麼方法嗎?沒有啦,那被捕官,我們都不知道要不要撤離,要不要做什麼事事悲慘耶,沒有啦,他們是悲慘耶部長 |
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我們有什麼方法可以來合作來中央和地方可以來檢慶上海沒有啦我不是說我們的地方還是我們的中央是要怎麼讓你們知道該撤離的沒撤離的要過境還可以加強沒有啦過境有這個問題啦 |
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你剛才也說了 聽到也感到不曉得如何回應你的問題我想再回憶 看來的狀況就是當時如果有做廣播撤離的時候光復鄉公所確實有告訴我們說它的廣播系統出問題但是花蓮縣的警察局 |
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他們在光復的部分趕快派出消防車跟警車用廣播的方式請大家趕快離開然後花蓮縣政府知道說我們疏散撤離的人數高達有1837戶的時候到真正艷澀湖有這個潰堤的危機總共是超過將近43個小時 |
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也就是說如果趕快做疏散撤離包括我們常常在講的預防性撤離一定是保全戶也就是有身障或是年紀大的那同時我們也告訴他說因為按照花蓮縣他們的疏散撤離計畫確實有個叫垂直避難那這一次呢罹難的很多老人家他們幾乎都是集中在一樓因為最後他淤沙的程度呢是在一樓以下那往二樓三樓的也是一個可以撤離的方向 |
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第一個就是說大家會覺得說好像過去農業部一直推動說有黃色警戒或紅色警戒的撤離計畫很多人覺得那沒問題可能第一個掉以輕心但是這個都是後話第二個就是說疏散撤離的過程當中人力夠不夠按照我們現在中央跟地方所了解的部分人力在疏散撤離上面應該是夠的但是比較重要是戶口的清查 |
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你到底知道现在房子里面住的是多少人他能不能离开所以我们看到很多让人家心痛的部分产生的时候我们还是一样非常沉痛任何一个生命的损失都是我们无法沉痛的部分所以我在很多工作会议里面都特别提到垂直的撤离的方式是人命保全最重要 |
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財產損失是次之的所以我是覺得這樣子的溝通計畫還是要跟大家再繼續加強那當然中間有一位村長他全村都撤離我也跟委員報告這位村長他在112年的時候有榮獲我們消防署的一個任性社區所以他不只撤離挨家挨戶去請人家離開他還用他的主語用廣播系統告訴人家一定要離開而且全村都巡視 |
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所以他是一個非常好的一個地方上的一個村長我們希望用他的案例當成是一個示範的案例未來再推廣很多有需要疏散撤離甚至強制疏散撤離的部分當成一個最好的參考 |
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因為我們一定是知道人定真的無法勝天沒有人知道到底什麼時候會有產生溢流因為我也跟委員報告那一天早上當我們知道這個溢流口只剩下幾公尺的時候早上4點鐘我們的消防署長就開始召開會議 |
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然後七點鐘的時候每一次農業部發表了紅色紅色紅色從八點一直發布紅色警戒兩個小時發布一次到下午兩點半的時候才產生從早上八點到兩點半產生的時候一直在通知地方上要趕快來協助但是真的就是憾事發生那既然憾事發生的話大家都要能夠理解說未來我們到底溝通的部分法令上不足的部分或者是我們整個的疏散撤離企劃有不夠 |
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明確的部分的話 還是需要深切的檢討啦對啦 普通 你剛才就是說溝通的問題 撤離的問題在這個過程當中 我覺得在法律當中也有一些不足的地方 我們未來要趕緊去改啦在這個過程當中 你看事情發生之後 |
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你看很多人做志工,在這個過程,大家不小心做志工而已入獄的時候,那個心情看多艱苦所以保證,我是要跟你說,我們最重要最重要的天災我們沒辦法去預防,要不然我們要撤離的時候,我們一定要做到到底啦 |
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因為你剛才說的大馬村 那個村長有受過分跟他能說 也能說他的族 民族 他有的嘛跟八村那個 但是我們不能讓任何一村來受盡他們的風險啦所以未來的時候 不管在哪一個地方我們要去訓練他們 |
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公佈電台也不可以廢棄啦那個廣播系統他剛才你說的說你有沒有看那個消防的車一直公佈一直公佈這個有沒有看到驚悚說啦,可以沒有那個發展會公佈的時候可以再驚慌最恐慌的啦在這裡面,部長你看,大家都要再努力因為未來會重建的路 |
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我們也跟花蓮互相加油有未來的一天跟我們一起繼續所有事情像鳳林 |
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謝謝王美惠 |