| IVOD_ID |
164009 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164009 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T09:35:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T09:45:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc4763ff7894787165179f4a20aeac8eaf8b7b742ce6787900a7eba39b12b3691e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:28 - 09:45:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、原住民族委員會主任委員、農業部部長率所屬單位就「堰塞湖監測、災害預警通報、疏散機制及災後復原重建」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另請經濟部、環境部、衛生福利部、行政院公共工程委員會派員列席備詢。） |
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好謝謝齁我請內政部長然後農業部長經濟部水利署副署長好請以上委員提到三位單位好委員好好部長好齁 |
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我應該不用問到10分鐘因為那麼多委員讓你們罰站太久了那我們就簡短我們就挑重點部長我想請問一下這個菸賽湖我們是不是從一開始之後各部會農業部等等的我們就都有監控到了都有隨時做這個最第一時間的這個情況的 |
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我是不是請農業部來回應對我一起叫你們上來謝謝委員關心我想在7月26號在空刊確認有驗色壺之後其實就是把所有的部會特別是在下游整治應該要相關包括花蓮縣政府都拿起來了 |
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我們都解讀完了那其實今天再問這個蠻沉重的我個人一直認為這些罹難的或什麼的其實是可避免的問題可避免而沒有避免造成今天這樣的憾事我不知道你們各位的看法如何回答 |
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都可以啊 我一起叫上來啊謝謝委員關心我想就整個堰塞湖的監測在對於監測到的所有資訊該要公開的其實都在網站上不是啊 你就回答我的問題就好啦那我想沒有人希望這件事情發生當然所有的資訊的溝通都是希望能夠避免人員傷亡不敢回答 部長 |
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報告委員我們都了解人定無法勝天那在農業部他有持續監測但是最重要的兩個不可測的因素就是第一個艷澀湖在最後華家沙颱風的時候呢帶來大量的豪大雨當時華家沙對於不是啦部長我只你們只要回答我的問題其實是不是可避免你這個天然災害無法避免 |
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是 所以我說人性無法勝天對 但造成這麼大的這麼多人的罹難或什麼的是不是可以避免的我們盡量要能夠避免但是它事實上造成這樣子的傷痛我們也是心情非常的沉重所以我們還是盡量朝著說未來怎麼樣更安全的來防護包括縣政府造成的災害會比較好我必須這樣說今天心情大家問這個問題都很沉重 |
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在那邊有一個大馬村的村長整村的人人家是不是都撤離是 王子安王村長對這是不是可避免是的是不是對對嘛我覺得啦我們這一次要記起這個教訓 |
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大家都知道撤離當然是地方政府的權限但中央跟地方要一起配合才能完成地方政府也沒有辦法知道燕塞湖他的監測狀況他也沒辦法他是要中央給他第一手的訊息他才能夠去處理那我覺得中央跟地方就是要一起配合但這一次我真的覺得這個撤離的動作如果精準確實 |
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絕對不會發生這麼多人的罹難你的財產損失可能沒有辦法因為這是天災但財產損失的政府還可以補償但人命沒了就沒了對不對部長是對嘛所以我一直覺得我們這個部長還有經濟部農業部都在我們每年是不是都有辦防汛演習 |
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是不是經濟部跟部長報告確實針對相關災害是有防眩演習每年都該辦吧看災害別我們有颱風水災又各主管機關去做相關的你只有回答我是不是每年都要辦是啊對啊這樣就好啦 |
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對不對可不可以以後每年在辦防汛演習的時候把這一種測離因為水災我們不只是九煙塞湖土石流地區等等的這些都是會造成人命的傷亡我們以後可不可以把防汛演習把這個測離列為演習的標準項目之一可不可以 |
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以水災為例我們每次都會把這個測離當作一個重點不是啦我現在問你的是我們把這個警戒區裡面的測離這個要把它列入標準的測離我們要演練的程序之一而且照測什麼什麼的要從頭到尾精準去做以後的防汛演習可不可以做到這樣 |
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在水災的部分我們會把這個撤離當作一個重點你在放錄音帶喔還是你要回去請示部長才可以回答 |
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報告委員經濟部就是水災的主責機關對啊所以我問你現在未來的防汛演習可不可以把這個撤離這個是當成標準最重要的演練之一嘛你就回答是就好了你剛剛問那麼多這是人命的事耶我覺得以前就是沒有這樣子嘛沒有嚴格的要求嘛所以你變成地方的造冊根本不確實嘛 |
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如果每個都像大馬村的村長這樣子今天我看傷亡的人數會大幅降低我們就有財產的損失 |
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我們是人命重要比財產更重要所以我今天說要求你們這樣你剛說可以嘛可以以後我們就照這樣來做嘛那如果地方政府都能夠在平時把造冊實際居住的人有多少人都造冊精準然後我們演練配合內政部配合所有部會演練每次的撤離就是照 |
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這樣子精準的演練我相信未來不會再發生這樣的事不然地方的造冊你中央也沒有辦法去檢驗它到底造冊準不準啊部長 |
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可以 你們可以百分之百檢驗到他們造冊準不準嗎不容易因為剛剛跟那個委員了解的一樣譬如說急在人不在或者是臨時返鄉的不特定人口所以我們通常都是在這個汛期之前或颱風之前要求地方的民政單位要能夠確實掌握住在縣地的人到底有多少人這樣子在做疏散撤離的時候呢才能夠精準把握那但是這通常都是要村裡幹事 |
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或者是地方的這個消防或警察或者是社會處的同仁才會知道說這邊到底有多少人我知道啦這個都是地方造冊啦我當過地方的民政局長我非常清楚啦如果認真做的就會做到百分之九十九啦我們也不敢說百分之百啦因為有時候可能這個 |
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去那邊工作的人他昨天來你多一個人你也不知道但我們至少能夠做到99%但你中央可能沒有辦法拿到確實的數據啊對不對所以你地方如果沒有嚴格去做到我認為啊以後還是同樣的情況會發生所以我才會說你今天造成這樣子我認為地方的造冊 |
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真的是出了很大的問題不然也不會說災區的人連便當都沒有拿到如果你照冊精準怎麼可能連便當都沒拿到這是新聞播的所以我在這邊請所有的部會我們未來防汛演習把這一種土石流或這一種類似這種比較有可能發生要撤離的 |
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變成標準的程序 標準的作業啦這樣子每年來做啦 每年檢驗啦才不會再有這種情況發生啦我不知道可不可以剛剛經濟部說可以了 那其他部會可不可以 |
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也是要照這樣子來做 因為其實有這樣的經驗好 謝謝 那內政部我們應該也可以吧對 我們按照那個災救法一定會按照這樣的方式要求地方政府一定要能夠確實造冊配合而且要實時更新因為其他的縣市政府其實有人做得到 譬如說高雄市政府 |
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他們在颱風有一級警戒的時候知道山上的狀況其實馬上就做預防性的撤離我想預防性的撤離最近這幾年大家都常聽到就是說我們認為可能天災造成的危害比較大那預防性撤離就有必要而不是等到說真正這個颱風警報到了時候才做撤離這會有撤離上面的困擾 |
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616.704 |
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對啦我覺得還是一句話啦平時有做啦然後你們各部會如果地方在防汛演習他沒有照規定來沒有嚴格的做你們的補助很多的東西在你們手上你就不配合那我們就是要檢討每年防汛演習的最後的檢討不是檢討假的我覺得要這樣子才可以救很多人謝謝 |