| IVOD_ID |
16400 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16400 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期第14次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第14次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-20T08:30:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-21T23:59:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
39:29:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609ddb01b840e5eb9a1445fc32f41448fc06d1319bf84c91682091ec51d306563fc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第14次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院委員傅崐萁等16人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員許宇甄等20人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案」，請審議案等22案。（12月20日及24日下午）二、同意權之行使事項：總統咨，依據憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名張文貞、姚立明、何賴傑、陳運財、王碧芳、廖福特、劉靜怡7位為司法院大法官，並以張文貞為院長、姚立明為副院長，咨請同意案。（12月24日上午）三、12月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、12月24日下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:16 - 23:59:59 |
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脈宮測試脈宮測試123412341234你按一下 |
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倒數計時按一下開始開始 |
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外觀指示一二三四 |
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一、二、三、四 |
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1、2、3、4 |
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這個線沒事這是好的嗎全部拆下來 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文 |
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麥克風測試1、2、3麥克風測試1、2、3 |
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麥克風測試 |
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1234 1234 1234 1234 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案． |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案 公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案 |
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賣光測試賣光測試賣光測試賣光測試賣光測試 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉法部分條文修正草案． |
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法定人數不足 |
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請大家保持一場的次序好嗎? |
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現在請副秘書長報告出席人數我們現在開會進行報告事項 |
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請副名長宣讀第二會期第13次會議議事錄。立法院第11屆第二會期第13次會議議事錄時間中法民國113年 |
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上午9時至9時27分．11時8分．至下午1時55分．20時10分．至30時56分．12月27日上午9時．至12時39分．下午2時30分．至4時20分．地點本院議場．出席委員賴委員．會員等113人．列席官員．審計部審計長陳瑞敏．出席院長韓國瑜．副院長江啟臣． |
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報告事項 第一案 宣讀本院第11屆第2會期第12次會議意思錄決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決定 決 |
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暫延審查期限．第99案為民進黨黨團．函請查照案．執行事項．行政院答覆部分5件．以本院委員執行部分1件．討論事項．第一案決議．不議案不通過 |
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第二案至五、八、九案．軍決議交付黨團協商．並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商．第六、七、十、十四、二十二案．軍決議修正通過．第十一至十三．十五至二十．二十三至二十五案．軍決議協商後再行處理．第二十一案決議． |
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11634.503 |
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交黨團進行協商．第26案決議令定情處理同意案之行使事項．決議一、周鴻憲同意為考試院第14屆院長．二、許書強同意為考試院第14屆副院長．三、邱文彥、鄧家基．王秀紅、呂秋慧．黃東義、伊萬那威等6位 |
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11634.983 |
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11663.981 |
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居同意為考試院第14屆考試委員．四、柯麗玲不同意為考試院第14屆考試委員．審計長列席報告．112年度中央政府總決算審核報告案．審核經過並答覆諮詢．決定交財政委員會．會同有關委員會審查．其他事項便跟議程提案．民進黨黨團一案、國民黨黨團三案．均予以通過．宣讀完畢 |
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請宣讀質詢事項。我們現在做一下決定,針對第二會期第13次會議事錄,並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處。我們做一下決定,第二會期第13次會議事錄確定。我們請宣讀質詢事項。 |
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11689.496 |
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11715.487 |
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諮詢事項：行政院答覆部分：行政院函送本院羅偉志強所提諮詢至書面答覆共一件：以本院委員諮詢部分：本院羅偉志強等向行政院提出諮詢共三件：宣讀完畢。官員會議是在進行討論事項之前我們先處理辯更議程之提議並截止收案 |
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11722.016 |
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11726.44 |
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現在處理國民黨團提議變更議程議案：請議事人員宣讀提議內容。國民黨黨團針對第11屆第2會期第14次會議議程討論事項： |
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11753.354 |
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提議僅限列下表所列﹐順序並照表列通過﹐是否有當進行公決﹐宣讀完畢。 |
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11791.752 |
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11800.659 |
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院長,院長,我們有提議要舉手表表來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來,馬上來, |
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11829.492 |
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法定人數不足法定人數不足法定人數不足 |
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11851.189 |
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11878.809 |
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院長!院長!臺灣是我的國家!臺灣是我的國家!幹什麼不一樣?在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!臺灣是我的國家!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人都一樣!在你們新縣的總統當作每個人 |
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11880.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
11888.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
不要再坐下來!不要再坐下來!不要再坐下來!不要再坐下來! |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
11896.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
11905.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
二、同意權之行使事項．依據憲法增修條文第5條 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
11917.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
11918.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
11937.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
11940.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
公職人員選舉法部分條文修正草案 |
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11969.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
11985.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
反對國會獨裁反對沒收民權反對國會獨裁反對沒收民權韓國瑜又要硬幹了傅坤祺又要硬幹了選不法沒收人民的權利韓國瑜要硬幹了傅坤祺要硬幹了韓國昌要硬幹了 |
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11997.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
12005.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
所有的國人朋友!國會獨裁現在進行事!國會獨裁現在進行事!報議會現在我們已經按您表決7分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
12027.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
12032.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
現在還有兩分鐘請各位請問各位委員沒有簽到的請趕快簽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
12172.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
12179.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
好跟議會報告現在按鈴7分鐘還剩1分鐘再提醒大家趕快到簽名簿上去簽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
12204.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
12226.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
法院會現在案名完畢由於現在議場過度紛亂本席依照議事規則第35條規定為了有效反映我們委員每一個人表決的態度跟立場我們採用舉手表決現在請議事人員輕點榮述 |
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12331.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
12334.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
請稍待一下,我們正在清點 |
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12464.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
12482.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
向院會報告,我們總共在場委員共計104位以足法定人數,會議會現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決,針對是否採用點名表決,我們現在進行舉手表決,贊成民進黨黨團提議點名表決提議,請舉手。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
12499.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
12500.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
公職人員選舉罷免法部分條 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
12641.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
12645.071 |
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現在出席104位贊成46位贊成則少數民進黨團體不通過現有民進黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨提議者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
12763.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
12771.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
法院會報告重複表決結果出席104位贊成42位贊成則少數民進黨黨團提議不通過法院會現在針對國民黨團提議便跟議員舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
12788.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
12794.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案 公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
12812.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
12812.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
公職人員選舉項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
12866.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
12870.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
報導院會報告舉手表決結果出席104位贊成者58位贊成者多數國民黨黨團提議報告院會通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決的舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
12960.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
12962.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
法院會報告重複表決結果出席104位贊成58位贊成者多數國民黨黨團體造案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
12971.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
12995.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
法院會我們現在進行討論事項第一案公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商後再行處理法院會本案因協商超過一個月無法達成共識依立法院職權行使法第71條之一規定由院會定期處理 |
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12996.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
13008.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
因此在本次會議提出討論現在我們進行廣泛討論依登記順序發言並截止登記首先我們請吳思瑤委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
13012.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
13013.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
我還沒有講話不要給我計秒啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
13043.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
13060.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
各位同仁非常遺憾國會的獨裁暴力的修法沒收民權現在進行式現在正上演國民黨不演了怕罷免就來沒收人民的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
13061.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
13065.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
稍後要進行的公職人員選罷法共有5個條文每一個條文民主進步黨都登記了將近40位的發言因為在委員會審議的過程民進黨的聲音被噤聲每當民進黨想要委員會中心主義 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
13085.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
13086.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
好好針對選罷法的釋法性﹑合理性﹑它甚至會違反憲法我們在委員會的場域沒有進行實質的審查每一次都是快轉過水每一次都是強行碾壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
13107.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
13108.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
稍後要進行的5個條文．請韓國瑜院長．不要再重蹈覆轍．上個會期的國會擴選法案．就在同樣一個議場． |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
13122.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
13125.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
但是﹐他已經不再是臺灣民主的殿堂﹐他是臺灣民主的焚化爐﹐因為沒有討論不是民主﹐沒有討論何來民主﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
13140.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
13143.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
更何況﹐上個會期討論的是﹐國會要擴權﹐國民黨要違憲﹐立法院最大﹐可以凌駕所有的憲政機關﹐這個會期﹐國民黨變本加厲﹐依舊是國會最大的思維﹐國會大到﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
13166.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
13170.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
．可以沒收人民的權利．國會大道．可以沒收憲法賦予人民的．選舉罷免權利．各位公民朋友．現在非常的諷刺．跟今年的5月17到5月28．4次的約會．一模模一樣樣． |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
13193.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
13194.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
國民黨永遠學不會教訓﹐違憲上癮﹐沒收民權﹐跟民意對幹﹐民眾黨永遠是沆瀣一氣﹐助教為虐﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
13209.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
13226.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
現在處理的條文：就是要聯署加嚴：只要你對於不適任的立委提出罷免：你要出具身分證正反應等：這等於就是：沒收罷免：民進黨絕對：最後一刻：請給我們發言的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
13234.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
13254.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
謝謝吳委員施肖為委員發言報告院會現有國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議?反對?反對我們進行舉手表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
13261.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
13261.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
請舉手! |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
13332.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
13339.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
官員會在場委員104位贊成者0位贊成者少數官員會現由民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
13425.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
13432.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
法院會報告重複表決結果在場104位贊成者44位贊成者少數民黨黨團提議不通過法院會現在針對國民黨黨團提議停止討論進行表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
13513.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
13526.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
報院會報告表決結果出席104位贊成者58位贊成者多數我們宣告停止討論通過報院會現有民進黨黨團提議重復表決我們現在進行重復表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
13602.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
13613.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
各位院會報告重複表決結果在場委員104位贊成58位贊成者多數我們作宣告停止討論通過我們現在進入主條討論請宣讀第76條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
13617.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
13640.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
委員傅崐萁等16人擬案．第76條罷免案以被罷免人員選舉區選舉人為提議人．由提議人之領銜人一人．填具罷免提議書一份．檢附罷免理由書正副本各一份．提議人正本影本名冊各一份．向選舉委員會提出．前項提議人人數．因為原選舉區選舉人數．選舉人總數1%以上． |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
13646.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
13666.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
其計算數值尾數如為小數者：該小數即以整數依計算：第一項提議人名冊：因依規定格式竹籃常識填寫：並附本人之國民身份證正反面銀本：提具提議人國民身份證同意編號：發證日期及戶籍地址：分村里裝訂全冊：並指定提議人一人為 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
13670.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
13690.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
被捕領銜人罷免理由書已布超過5000次違憲．罷免案一案不得為二人以上之提議．但有二個以上罷免案時得同時投票．罷免案表件不合第一項、第三項．前項規定或提議人明測．不足第二項規定之提議人數者．選舉委員會應不予受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
13691.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
13716.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
中央選舉委員會以應建制電子系統﹐提供提議人之領銜人徵求提議及聯署﹐其適用罷免種類﹐提議及聯署方式﹐查對作業等事項之辦法及實施日期﹐由中央選舉委員會定之。在電子提議及聯署者﹐其文件以電子記錄之方式﹐提供罷免案提議人之領銜人死亡或經提議人數總﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
13718.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
13742.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
提議人總數二分之一以上書面同意者由被捕領銜人遞補為領銜人．以一次違憲委員許宇甄等20人提案第76條罷免案以被罷免人員選舉區選舉人為提議人．由提議人是領銜人一人．填具罷免提議書一份．檢附罷免理由書正附本個一份． |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
13743.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
13751.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
提議人正本影本明冊各一份向選舉委員會提出前向提議人人數應為原選舉區選舉人總數1%以上其計算數值為數如為小數者該小數即以整數1計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
13760.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
13777.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
第一項提議人名冊應依規定格式竹籃上市填寫填去提議人國民身份證統一編號及戶籍地址分村里裝訂成冊提議人填具時應付本人之國民身份證一本並指定提議人一人為被捕領銜人 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
13778.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
13802.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
暴免理由書已不超過5,000字違憲．暴免案一案不得為2人以上之提議．但有2個以上暴免案時得同時投票．暴免案表件不合第一項．第三項前項規定．或提議人名冊不足第二項規定之提議人數者．選舉委員會應不予受理．中央選舉委員會應建制電子系統．提供提議人之領銜人徵求提議及連署． |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
13803.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
13825.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
其適用罷免種類．提議及聯署方式．查對作業等事項之辦法．實施日期．由中央選舉委員會定之．在電子提議及聯署者．其文件以電磁記錄之方式提供．罷免案提議人至領銜人死亡．或經提議人總數二分之一以上書面同意者．由被捕領銜人遞補為領銜人．並以一次違憲。 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
13829.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
13844.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
國民黨黨團修正動議第76條罷免案已被罷免人員選舉區選舉人為提議人由提議人之領行人一人填具罷免提議書一份簡附罷免理由書正附本個一份 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
13844.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
13869.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
提議人正本影本明冊各一份向選舉委員會提出前項提議人人數應委員選舉區選舉人總數百分之以上其計算數值為數如為小數者該小數即以整數1計算第一項提議人名冊應依規定格式逐欄相視填寫填去提議人國民身份證統一編號及戶籍地址分村里創訂成冊 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
13870.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
13887.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
提議人填具時﹐應付本人之國民身份證正反面銀本﹐並指定提議人一人為被捕領銜人﹐罷免理由書以不超過5000次為限﹐罷免案一案不得為二人以上之提議﹐但有二個以上罷免案時得同時投票。 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
13888.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
13903.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
罷免案表件不合第一項、第三項前項規定或提議人名冊不足第二項規定之提議人數者選舉委員會應不予受理中央選舉委員會應建置電子系統提供提議人之領銜人徵求連署 |
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13904.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
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其適用罷免種類：連述方式查對作業解析他相關事項之辦法：由中央選舉委員會定之：採電子連述者：其文件以電磁記錄之方式提供：罷免案提議人之領銜人死亡：或經提議人總數二分之一以上書面同意者：由被捕領銜人遞捕為領銜人：並以一次違憲。 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第76條《罷免案已被罷免人員選舉區選舉人為提議人﹐由提議人之領銜人一人﹐填去罷免提議書一份﹐檢附罷免理由書正副本各一份﹐提議人正本影本明冊各一份﹐向選舉委員會提出﹐前向提議人人數應為員選舉區選舉人總數百分之一以上﹐ |
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其計算數值為數如為小數者該小數即以整數一計算第一項提議人名冊應依規定格式逐欄相時填寫填去提議人國民身份證統一編號及戶籍地址分村裡裝訂成冊提議人填去時應付本人之國民身份證正反面一本並指定提議人一人為被捕領銜人 |
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《罷免理由書》已不超過5000次違憲．罷免案一案不得為二人以上之提議．但有二人以上罷免案時得同時投票．罷免案表件不符第一項、第三項、前項規定．或提議者名冊不足第二項規定之提議人數者．選舉委員會應不予受理。 |
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中央選舉委員會應建制電子系統﹐提供提議人之領銜人徵求連署﹐其適用罷免種類﹐連署方式﹐查對作業及其他相關事項之辦法由中央選舉委員會定之﹐在電子連署者﹐其文件以電磁記錄之方式提供。 |
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罷免案提議人之領銜人死亡或經提議人總數二分之一以上書面同意者由被捕領銜人、逮捕為領銜人．以一次違憲宣讀完畢好,現在我們依照登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先,我們請王逸川委員請發言時間3分鐘 |
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韓院長我在這一個台上還是尊稱你一聲韓院長我希望在今天的所有議案的討論過程中韓院長真的要尊重台灣國會的民主程序沒有討論就不會有民主剛剛第一次的討論你馬上沒收了討論 |
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本黨幾十位委員登記發言你就只讓一位發言跟上次毀憲亂政的修法是一模一樣的韓院長我還是尊重你一生韓院長我希望後面你的議事的處理能夠尊重台灣國會的民主制度我們現在討論的罷免 |
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這個提案要求要檢附身份證的影本這個討論大家有共識了嗎?你的政黨協商大家有共識嗎?大家都沒有共識今天大家在這裡你沒有這齣的不管你的董事、首相、創意、創家、台灣家 |
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大聖宴韓院長我還是尊稱你一聲韓院長請你要記得你是中華民國立法院的院長台灣國會的議長你也有可能代表中華民國你也會代表台灣你上次已經做了非常錯誤的示範今天 |
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包括在場外許許多多的公民朋友都在看你怎麼處理今天的提案你怎麼處理一個朝野沒有共識的討論你怎麼讓這樣的討論在我等一下發言完之後你一樣還是停止討論你不要一錯再錯不要一錯再錯 |
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韓國瑜院長我還是尊稱你一聲韓院長我希望你每下一個決定都能夠問自己你這個決定會在中華民國的立法院或在台灣的國會留下什麼樣的歷史 |
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上次通過了一堆毀憲亂政的法案已經被宣告違憲今天你用同樣的方法傷害自己的同仁用這種方式你有資格當台灣國會議長當中華民國的立法院院長嗎 |
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韓院長、各位立法院的同仁 |
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面對國會變成這樣一個狀況我想全國民眾都會感到心疼我們今天守護的國會不是國民黨的國會 |
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不是一個國民黨加上民眾黨占了多數就可以橫行霸道從星期一我們看到的是國民黨用人海戰術讓民進黨的立委無法進場去開會包括連在場民眾黨內政委員會的麥玉珍也說當天沒有開會啊一個只有國民黨一黨 |
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用一分鐘就讓他放行過關的法案。這樣是一個民主的殿堂應該要有的嗎?今天早上的衝突是為什麼會發生?那是因為民進黨擔心國民黨如法炮製新奇異狀的場面 |
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讓民進黨的委員完全沒有辦法發言然後就這樣成為史上世界級最離譜最誇張的修法就要這樣過關了我們看到剛剛居然裁決用舉手表決舉手表決這麼混亂的場面你說大法官認為合法就應該可以行使嗎 |
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有這麼多國民黨的委員站在主席台上面甚至於有人在我們點名的時候是在門口這樣的表決算有效嗎?如果有表決卡為什麼不使用表決卡?為什麼要用舉手表決的方式?我們今天抗議的 |
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是在藍白聯手之下所通過的選罷法修正案．將成為史上最荒謬．國際級荒謬．沒收了所有人民的罷免權．這樣的雙重門檻．不只是同意票必須要比當選票加一 |
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還有就是要收身份證．對於民眾來講．收身份證是一件．多麼讓民眾感到擔憂跟害怕的．民進黨在人數上面．確實不如藍白聯手．但是我們堅持我們守護的民主．是屬於全民的民主． |
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今天早上我們許多民進黨的同仁都受傷了但是我們依舊守在這裡因為我們要大聲的說我們可以受傷但台灣民主不能受傷這個國會是全民的國會不是藍白多數就可以壓霸來國會謝謝林柱英委員的發言包括院會特別跟院會報告一下現有國民黨黨團提議 |
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提出討論請問院會有無異議有異我們進行舉手表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們先用進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果在場104位委員贊成者47位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過抱怨會現由民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨提議者請舉手現在開始 |
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本院會報告重複表決結果在場委員104位贊成者47位贊成者少數民黨黨團提議不通過本院會現在針對國民黨團提議停止討論進行表決我們贊成國民黨黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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法院會報告表決結果在場104位贊成者58位贊成者多數我們宣告停止討論通過法院會現有民進黨黨團提議重復表決我們現在進行民進黨團提議的重復表決贊成國民黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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報告院會報告重複表決結果,在場委員104位贊成者、58位贊成者多數,停止討論通過。 |
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委員會我們現在開會第76條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過請問有無異議有異議我們要進行表決我們進行舉手表決現有民進黨黨團提議建議採用點名表決針對是否點名表決我們進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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請審議 |
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報告院會報告表決結果在場104位贊成者46位贊成者少數民進黨黨團體不通過外會現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團體者請舉手 |
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法院會報告重複表決結果在場委員104位贊成者45位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過法院會現在進行第76條舉手表決第76條舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議條文請舉手 |
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法院會報告表決結果在場委員104位贊成58位贊成者多數我們宣告第76條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過法院會現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團條文請舉手 |
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法院會報告重複表決結果在場104位贊成者58位贊成者多數第76條我們做宣告照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過法院會現有民進黨黨團針對本席宣告採用舉手表決提出異議 |
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因異常紛亂本席財事的人維持採用舉手表決．針對本席的財事．現在我們進行舉手表決現有民進黨黨團建議採用點名表決．我們針對是否採用點名表決．我們現在進行舉手表決．贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告表決結果,在場為104位贊成者,43位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場為104位贊成者,43位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場為104位贊成者,43位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場為104位贊成者,43位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場為104位贊成者,43位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場為104位贊成者,43位贊成者,43位贊成者少數,民進黨黨黨團 |
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我們現在報告重複表決結果,在場104位贊成者,43位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。現在針對本席才是採用舉手表決,我們現在進行表決。本席贊成本席才是用舉手表決者,請舉手。 |
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報告表決結果,在場委員104位贊成者,58位贊成者多數。報告表決結果,在場委員104位贊成者,58位贊成者多數。報告表決結果,在場委員104位贊成者,58位贊成者多數。 |
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委員會報告表決結果在場委員104位贊成者59位贊成者多數我們做一下宣告本席才是通過我們現在進行第79條請宣讀條文 |
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委員傅崐萁等16人提案第79條選舉委員會收到罷免案提議後應與25日內查對提議者名冊有下列歧視之意者應與刪除一、提議人不合第76條第一項規定二、提議人有第77條第一項之身份三、提議人未附本人之國民身份證正反面遺本或姓名、國民身份證統一編號發生日期或戶籍、地址書寫錯誤或不明 |
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四、提議人名冊未經提議人簽名或蓋章五、提議人提議由未造形式提議人名冊竟依前項規定刪除後：如不足規定人數：由選秀委員會將刪除之提議人及其個別事由：列冊通知提議人之領銜人：於10日內補提藉其不補提或補提人不足規定人數者：均不予受理：符合規定人數及函告提議人之領銜人： |
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自收到通知之次的起始日內﹐領取聯署人名冊格式﹐並於一定期間內徵求聯署﹐為一項領取聯署人名冊格式者﹐視為放棄提議﹐前項補題以一次違憲﹐補題之提議人名冊﹐應依第一項規定處理﹐如刪除後不足規定人數﹐應不予受理。 |
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選舉委員會應將刪除之提議人．及其個別事由列冊．通知提議人之領銜人委員許宇甄等20人提案第79條選舉委員會收到罷免案提議後．應於25日內查對提議人名冊．有下列情形之一者應予刪除一、提議人不合第76條定向規定二、提議人有第77條定向之身份 |
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三、提議人姓名、股民身份證同一編號．或戶籍地址書寫存無或不明．四、提議人名冊未經提議人簽名或蓋章．五、提議人提議有未造形式．六、提議人之股民身份證引本．記載資料不明或影印不清晰．至不能辨認提議人之姓名．出生年月日或股民身份證同一編號者．提議人名冊經依前項規定刪除後．如不足規定人數． |
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有選舉委員會將刪除之提議人及其個別事由﹐列冊通知提議人至領銜人﹐於10日內補提﹐藉其不補提或補提人部族規定人數者﹐均不予受理﹐符合規定人數及函告提議人至領銜人﹐自收到通知之次日起10日內﹐領取連署人名冊格式﹐並於一定期間內徵求連署﹐ |
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為一線領取連署人名冊格式者﹐視為放棄提議﹐前項補提以一次違憲。補提之提議人名冊﹐應依第一項規定處理﹐如刪除後不足規定人數﹐應不予受理﹐選舉委員會應將刪除之提議人﹐及其個別事由列冊通知提議人之領銜人。國民黨黨團修正動議第79條 |
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選舉委員會收到報名案提議後﹐一與25人內查對提議人名冊﹐有相連情事質疑者應與刪除﹐一、提議人不合第76條第一項規定﹐二、提議人有第77條第一項之身份﹐三、提議人姓名、國民身份證統一編號﹐或戶籍地址書寫寸物或不明﹐四、提議人名冊未經提議人簽名或蓋章﹐五、提議人提議有未造形式﹐ |
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六、提人之國民身份證正反面銀本．既在資料不明或引義不清晰．致不能辨認提人之姓名．出生年月日．或國民身份證同意編號者 |
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提議人名冊經依前項規定刪除後：如不足規定人數：由選舉委員會將刪除之提議人及其個別事由：列冊通知提議人至領銜人：與10日內補提：藉其不補提或補提人：不足規定人數者：均不予受理：符合規定人數：及函告提議人至領銜人：自收到通知之次及10日內：領取連署人名冊格式：並於一定期間內徵求連署：會依現領取： |
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聯署人名冊格式者是為放棄提議﹐前項補提以一次為限﹐補提之提議人名冊﹐應依第一項規定處理﹐如刪除後不足規定人數應不予受理﹐選舉委員會應將刪除之提議人﹐及其個別事由列冊通知提議人之領銜人。 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第79條選舉委員會說到罷免案提議以後﹐一與25任內查對提議人名冊﹐有下列情勢質疑者應與刪除﹐一、提議人不合第76條第一項規定﹐二、提議人有第77條第一項之身份﹐三、提議人姓名國民身份證統一編號﹐或戶籍地址書寫錯誤或不明﹐四、提議人名冊未經提議人簽名或蓋章﹐ |
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五、提議人提議有未造形式．六、提議人之國民身份證正盤面一本．記載資料不明或影印不清晰．至不能辨認提議人之姓名．出生年月日．戶籍地址或國民身份證統一編號者 |
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提議人明冊經依前項規定刪除後﹐如不足規定人數﹐由選舉委員會將刪除之提議人及其個別室友﹐列冊通知提議人至領選人於10日內補題﹐藉其不補題或補題人不足規定人數者﹐均不予受理。 |
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﹐符合規定人數﹐及含告提議人之領前人﹐自收到通知之次日起10日內﹐領取連署人名冊格式﹐並於一定期間內徵求連署﹐為一線領取連署人名冊格式﹐則視為放棄提議﹐其項補提以一次為限﹐補提之提議人名冊﹐應依第一項規定處理﹐如刪除後不足規定人數﹐應不予受理﹐選舉委員會應將刪除之提議人﹐ |
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．其個別是由列冊通知提議人事領先人。宣讀完畢。 |
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關於79條的規定,79條的規定是指在核對的過程當中,然後呢,如果說配合前面修法這一個身份證引本的地方,然後來做核對。但這個其實這一條就正正彰顯了這一次修法的荒謬之處。 |
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為什麼會這個樣子呢是因為在修法理由已經很多人都有提過想要避免死人連署啊、幽靈連署啊什麼等等之類的但目前來講這些連署之所以會被抓到跟他有沒有附身分證影本其實是一點關係都沒有的 |
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也就是說呢在原本舊法根本就還沒有修法之前的情形這些事情是抓得到的他也不會因為你付了身份證銀本就變成抓得到或抓不到所以在法律上其實這是一個很重要的事情是如果你今天立了一個法的目的是A你的手段是B結果B根本就不能達到A那這樣的修法其實沒有任何的意義啊 |
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所以除了說他這個修法沒有辦法達到目的之外還有另外一個更嚴重的問題就是當你附了這個所謂的身分證影本的時候會讓人不太想要連署這個是在研究裡面就有指出因為當你在這跟一般的選舉不一樣一般的選舉是兩邊或三邊的對決所以在對決的過程當中呢他可能會去思考說我現在站在哪一邊另外一個站在哪一邊他比較有底氣 |
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但是在罷免的時候呢因為狀況只有一個就是你在針對現在的當權者現在選上的那一位做罷免所以這個時候你所擔心的一定是說如果我這樣被知道了怎麼辦所以他除了這一般因為台灣人民很習慣使用身份證所以就變成說你的立法完全沒有達到你宣稱的目的然後還多了一個副作用 |
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那這樣不是完全是一個錯誤的修法嗎?如此明顯的錯誤其實在協商的時候我全部都已經講過一次了但我還記得我在協商的時候我才講了第一句話而已結果其他的人就站起來走掉了 |
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這就變得沒有什麼任何的意義嘛我們今天要討論就像很多國民黨的委員一直在講說那換這日期啊什麼等等之類的那可以討論啊就是說我們今天討論不就是為了要讓你的修法能夠達到你宣稱的目的然後又不要造成社會其他的動盪然後讓它變成一個比較合適在台灣能夠被實行的一個選罷法 |
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所以對我來講這個除了一個政治操作之外為了能夠讓特定的人不要被罷免之外我實在想不到為什麼要這樣做那即使要這樣做也沒有問題啊大家好好討論嘛最後表決藍白會贏嘛那這個時候全部好好討論讓大家知道意見然後你們表決贏了這樣不就好了嗎為什麼一定都要搞成這個樣子所以我對於這件事情當然是非常不能夠接受這是我對79條的意見 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝沈博洋委員的發言法務院會現有國民黨黨壇提議停止討論請問院會有無異議反對我們現在民進黨要求清點人數麻煩請議事人員再次清點人數 |
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本院會簽點人數現在我們在議場總人數我們委員同仁共計102位本院會我們現在針對民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告表決結果,在場102位贊成者,47位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場102位贊成者,47位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場102位贊成者,47位贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。 |
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法院會報告重複表決結果,在場102位,贊成47位,贊成者少數。民進黨黨團提議不通過。法院會現在針對國民黨黨團提議,停止討論的動議,我們進行表決。贊成國民黨黨團提議者,請舉手。 |
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法院會報告表決結果在場委員102位贊成59位贊成者多數我們宣告停止討論通過法院會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告表決結果在場102位表決贊成59位贊成者多數我們宣告停止討論通過請問議會第79條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過有無異議 |
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有異議我們要進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告委員會報告表決結果在場102位贊成者47位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告表決結果,在場102位,贊成44位,贊成者少數,民進黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場102位,贊成44位,贊成者少數,民進黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場102位,贊成44位,贊成者少數,民進黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場102位,贊成44位,贊成者少數,民進黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場102位,贊成44位,贊成44位,贊成者少數,民進黨團提議不通過。報告表決結果,在場102位,贊成44位,贊成44位,贊成44位,贊成44位,贊成44位,� |
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報院會報告表決結果,在場102位贊成者,59位贊成者,多數我們第79條,照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過報院會現有民進黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團條文,請舉手 |
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法院會報告重複表決結果在場102位贊成59位贊成者多數第79條我們宣告照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過法院會我們現在進行第80條請宣讀條文 |
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委員傅崐萁等16人提案．第80條前條第二項所定徵求聯署之期間如下﹐一、立法委員、直轄市議員﹐直轄市長、縣市長致罷免為60日﹐二、縣市議員、鄉鎮市長﹐原住民區長致罷免為40日﹐三、鄉鎮市民代表﹐原住民區民代表﹐村里長致罷免為20日﹐前項期間之計算﹐致領得聯署人名冊格式之次日起算﹐罷免 |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
按提議人之領銜人：應將聯署人明冊正影本各一份：於第一項規定期間內：向選舉委員會依次提出：於其不予受理。前項聯署人明冊：應依規定格式竹籃、祥石填寫：並附本人之國民身分證正反面影本：填具聯署人國民身分證統一編號：發證日期及戶籍地址：分村里裝訂層冊：聯署人明冊為依規定格式提出者： |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
選舉委員會應不予受理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
委員許宇甄等20人提案．第80條前條第二項所定徵求聯署之期間如下﹐一、立法委員、直轄市議員﹐直轄市長、縣市長之罷免為60日﹐二、縣市議員、鄉鎮市長﹐原住民區長之罷免為40日﹐三、鄉鎮市民代表﹐原住民區民代表﹐村里長之罷免為20日﹐前項期間之計算﹐至領得聯署人名冊格式之次日起算﹐ |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
罷免案提議人之領銜人．應將聯署人名冊陣營本各一份．於第一項規定期間內向選舉委員會．依次提出．於其不予受理。前項聯署人名冊．應依規定格式竹籃相時填寫．並填具聯署人國民身分證．統一編號及戶籍地址．分春禮裝訂層冊．聯署人填具時．應附本人之國民身分證營本．聯署人名冊未依規定格式提出者．選舉委員會應不予受理。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
國民黨黨團修正動議第80條前項第二項所定徵求連署之期間如下一、立法委員、直轄市議員、直轄市長、縣市長之罷免為60日二、縣市議員、鄉鎮市長、原住民區長之罷免為40日三、鄉鎮市民代表、原住民區民代表 |
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17144.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
17155.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
春禮長之罷免為20日：前項期間之計算：致領得聯署人名冊格式之次日起算：罷免案提議人之領銜人：應將聯署人名冊陣營本個一份：於第一項規定期間內：向選舉委員會一致提出：與其不予受理：前項聯署人名冊：應依規定格式竹籃相時填寫：並填具聯署人國民身分證：統一編號及戶籍地址：分春禮裝訂層冊：聯署人填具時： |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
應付本人之國民身份證正反面影本聯署人名冊未依規定格式提出者選舉委員會應不予受理國民黨黨團在修正動議第80條前條第二項所定徵求聯署之期間如下 |
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一、立法委員ﷺ直轄市議員ﷺ直轄市長ﷺ縣市長之罷免為60日ﷺ二、縣市議員ﷺ鄉鎮市長ﷺ原住民區長之罷免為40日ﷺ三、鄉鎮市民代表ﷺ原住民區民代表ﷺ村里長之罷免為20日ﷺ前項期間之計算ﷺ致領得聯署人名冊格式之次日起算ﷺ |
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罷免案提議人之領銜人：應將聯署人名冊正引本各一份：於第一項規定期間內：向選舉委員會一致提出：與其不予受理。前項聯署人名冊：應依規定格式竹籃、祥石填寫：並填具聯署人之國民身分證：統一編號及戶籍地址：分春禮裝訂層冊：聯署人填具時：應付本人之國民身分證正反面引本：聯署人名冊未依規定格式提出者： |
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選舉委員會應不予受理宣讀完畢 |
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主席各位同仁說真的現在我們是在這裡討論國民黨提出這個公職人員選舉罷免法的修正條文草案第80條這次的修正草案國民黨版本裡面有修了76、79、80、83和98之2 |
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看起來好像修的都很少因為他其實在這個版本當中一共都只加了反正你要連署任何跟連署相關的動作都要加上正反面的身份證的正反面影本 |
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你覺得這是一件很簡單的事情嗎?但是任何在台灣現在生活的人尤其是常常要為選民這個防詐、打詐、詐騙案件做服務曾經的人都知道現在台灣人對個資有多麼保護現在台灣人對身份證、正反影本要送交出去有多麼嚴謹 |
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所以今天這簡簡單單的幾個字在連署罷免的時候加上身反正正反面影本就是會讓大家多一層考慮降低連署的意願降低連署的意願就可以達成什麼效果就是加嚴罷免啊 |
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就是加嚴罷免啊那是誰提出來要加嚴罷免就是國民黨啊所以今天在這裡大家在做爭論的時候還一直互相在說啊你是民進黨的吳思瑤什麼得票率才多少吳思瑤怕罷免 |
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吳思瑤和吳思瑤所處的民進黨﹐從來沒有對現行的選罷法要提出修正﹐沒有要對現行的選罷法做加嚴﹐吳思瑤何怕之有﹐吳思瑤在國會的表現公然檢驗﹐就算有一天面臨著這個案子﹐我們按照現在的規定讓選民去做判斷﹐何怕之有﹐ |
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只有害怕的人才需要把規定加嚴這不是很清楚的道理嗎所以終歸一句話就是國民黨怕罷免所以趕著在現在提出這選罷法的修正案而且在星期一星期一還把不同聲音的其他政黨委員 |
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排除在外面做出了史上第一次閉門會議做決議閉門會議做決議這是立法院有史以來的第一次和今天我們把其他委員擋住是不用會議進行不能做決議完全不一樣完全不一樣所以結論還是一句話國民黨就是怕罷免等一下可能會都通過但 |
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社會更可以知道他們有多麼怕罷免好 謝謝蘇巧慧委員的發言會員會現在有國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議有異議我們進行舉手表決我們現在民進黨黨團提議用點名表決針對好 我們現在進行請議事人員進行清點人數 |
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報院會我們重新清點人數本院現計在議場共計107位委員報院會現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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本院會報告表決結果在場委員107位贊成者47位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過本院會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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報告重複表決結果,在場107位贊成,47位贊成則少數,民進黨團體不通過。 |
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報告表決結果在場107位贊成者59位贊成者多數我們宣告停止討論通過報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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委員會報告重複表決結果﹐在場107位贊成﹐59位贊成者多數﹐我們宣告停止討論﹐通過請委員會對第80條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過﹐有異議 |
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我們有異議我們現在進行表決針對現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決我們針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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報告表決結果在場107位贊成者、46位贊成者少數。民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決。我們進行重複表決。贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手。 |
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國民黨團在修正動議條文,請舉手。 |
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報院會報告表決結果在場107位贊成者59位贊成者多數第80條照國民黨黨團在修正動議報院會現有民進黨黨團第一重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團條文請舉手贊成 |
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報告院會報告重複表決結果我們在場委員107位贊成59位贊成者多數第80條我們這次宣告照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報告院會現在進行第83條請宣讀條文 |
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委員傅崐萁等16人提案第83條選舉委員會收到罷免案聯署人名冊後﹐立法委員直轄市議員﹐直轄市長、縣市長之罷免應於40日內﹐縣市議員、鄉鎮市長﹐原住民區長之罷免應於20日內﹐鄉鎮市民代表﹐原住民區民代表﹐村里長之罷免應於15日內﹐查對聯署人名冊﹐有下列各款情勢﹐ |
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之一者應予刪除但聯署人明測不足第81條第1項規定之聯署人者選舉委員會應競委不成立之宣告一、聯署人不合第81條第1項規定二、聯署人有第81條第3項規定請示 |
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三、聯署人未附本人之國民身份證．正反面銀本或姓名．國民身份證統一編號．發證日期或戶籍．地址書寫存物或不明．四、聯署人名冊未經聯署人簽名或蓋章．五、聯署人聯署有偽造形式． |
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前項聯署人名冊﹚經查對後﹚如不足規定人數﹚由選舉委員會通知提議人之領銜人﹚於10日內補提﹚藉其不補提或補提人不足第81條第一項規定人數﹚選舉委員會因為罷免案不成立之宣告﹚並應將刪除是聯署人及其個別事由﹚列冊通知提議人之領銜人﹚聯署人數符合規定者﹚選舉委員會因為罷免案成立之宣告﹚ |
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前項補題以一次為限．補題之聯署人名冊應依第一項規定處理．罷免案有下列情勢之一者．原提議人對統一被罷免人．一年內不得再為罷免案之提案．一、罷免案經宣告不成立．二、位於第79條第二項規定期限內．領取聯署人名冊格式．視為放棄提議．三、位於第80條第一項規定期限內．提出聯署人名冊． |
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罷免案提議人名冊及聯署人名冊查對作業辦法由中央選舉委員會定之委員許宇甄等20人提案第83條選舉委員會收到罷免案聯署人名冊後：立法委員、直轄市議員、直轄市長、縣市長之罷免應於40日內縣市議員、鄉鎮市長、原住民區長之罷免應於20日內鄉鎮市民代表 |
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原住民居民代表村里長之罷免應與15日內查對聯署人名冊有下列各款情勢之一者應與刪除但聯署人名冊不足第81條第一項規定之聯署人數者選舉委員會應盡為不成立之宣告一、聯署人不合第81條第一項規定二、聯署人有第81條第三項規定情勢三、聯署人姓名、國民身份證統一編號發生日期或戶籍地址書寫錯誤或不明四、 |
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聯署人名冊未經聯署人簽名或蓋章．五、聯署人聯署有偽造形式．六、聯署人之國民身份證引本．記載資料不明或引印不清晰．至不能辨認聯署人之姓名．出生年月日．或國民身份證統一編號者 |
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前項聯署人名冊經查對後﹐如不足規定人數﹐由選舉委員會通知提議人之領先人於10日內補題﹐藉其不補題或補題人不足第81條定項規定人數﹐選舉委員會因為罷免案不成立之宣告﹐並應將刪除至聯署人及其個別是由列冊通知提議人之領先人﹐ |
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聯署人數符合規定者﹐選舉委員會因為罷免案成立之宣告﹐其項補題以一次違憲﹐補題之聯署人名冊應依第一項規定處理﹐罷免案有下列情勢之一者﹐原提議人對同一被罷免人﹐一年內不得再違罷免案之提案。 |
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一、罷免案即宣告不成立：二、位於第79條第二項規定．期限內領取聯署人名冊格式．視為放棄提議．三、位於第80條第一項規定．期限內提出聯署人名冊．罷免案提人名冊及聯署人名冊查對．作業辦法．由中央選舉委員會定之。宣讀完畢好,現在依登記順序發言 |
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國民黨黨團修正動議第83條選舉委員會收到罷免要連署人名冊後﹐立法委員、直轄市議員、直轄市長、縣市長之罷免應與40日內﹐縣市議員、鄉鎮市長、原住民區長之罷免應與20日內﹐ |
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鄉鎮市民代表、原住民、屈民代表．村里長之報名應於15日內查對聯署人名冊．有下列各款情勢之一者應於刪除．但聯署人名冊不足第81條．第一項規定之聯署人數者．選舉委員會應禁為不成立之宣告。 |
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一、聯署人不合第81條第1項規定．二、聯署人有第81條第3項規定請示．三、聯署人借名、股民身份證、統一編號．或戶籍地址書寫錯誤或不明．四、聯署人名冊未盡．聯署人簽名或蓋章． |
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五、聯署人聯署有違造情勢．六、聯署人之國民身份證正反面引本．記載資料不明或影印不清晰．之不能辨認聯署人之姓名．出生年月日．或國民身份證同一編號者．前項聯署人名冊經查對後．如不足規定人數．由選舉委員會通知提議人之．領銜人於10日內補題．藉其不補題或補題人不足．第81條第一項規定人數． |
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選舉委員會因爲罷免案不成立之宣告．並應將刪除致聯署人及其個別事由．列冊通知提言致領選人．聯署人數符合規定者．選舉委員會因爲罷免案成立之宣告．其項補題以一次違憲．補題之聯署人名冊應依第一項規定處理． |
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暴免案有下列及時之一者﹐原提議人對同一被暴免人﹐一年內不得再為暴免案之提案﹐一、暴免案經宣告不成立﹐二、位於第79條第二項規定期限內﹐領取聯署人名冊格式﹐視為放棄提議﹐三、位於第80條第一項規定期限內﹐提出聯署人名冊﹐暴免案提議人名冊及聯署人名冊查對作業辦法﹐由中央選舉委員會定之。 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第83條選舉委員會收到罷免案聯署人名冊後﹐立法委員、執行事議員、執行市長、縣市長之罷免應於40日內﹐縣市議員、鄉鎮市長、原住民區長之罷免應於20日內﹐鄉鎮市民代表、原住民區民代表﹐ |
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18680.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
村里長之罷免應於15日內查對聯署人名冊．有下列各款情勢之一者應於刪除．但聯署人名冊不足第81條第一項規定之聯署人數者．選舉委員會應敬委部成立之宣告一、聯署人不合第81條第一項規定 |
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18685.305 |
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18712.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
二、聯署人有第80條第三項規定請示．三、聯署人姓名、股民身份證．統一編號或戶籍地址書寫錯誤或不明．四、聯署人名冊未盡．聯署人簽名或蓋章．五、聯署人聯署有未造請示．六、聯署人至股民身份證正反面影本．記載資料不明或影印不清晰．至不能辨認聯署人之姓名．出生年月日．戶籍地址或股民身份證．統一編號者．前項聯署人名冊經查對後． |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
18713.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
18729.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
如不足規定人數﹐由選舉委員會通知提議人之領銜人﹐於10日內補提。藉其不補提或補提人物足第81條第一項規定人數﹐選舉委員會因為罷免案不成立之宣告﹐並應將刪除之連署人及其個別是由列冊通知提議人之領銜人﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
18730.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
18756.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
聯署人數符合規定者﹐選舉委員會應為罷免案成立之宣告。前項補題以一次為限﹐補題之聯署人名冊應依第一項規定處理﹐罷免案有下列警示之一者﹐原提議人對統一被罷免人﹐一年內不得再為罷免案之提案﹐一、罷免案經宣告不成立﹐二、未於第79條第二項規定期限內﹐領取聯署人名冊格式是為放棄提議﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
18756.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
18774.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
三、位於第80條第一項規定期限內提出聯署人名冊．報免案提依人名冊及聯署人名冊查對作業辦法．由中央選舉委員會定之。宣讀完畢現在依登記順序發言並截止發言登記請黃婕委員發言時間3分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
18790.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
18815.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
好,場外的六千位民眾還有所有關心台灣前途的朋友們大家好在寒冬中這三天有人請假有人取消了重要的行程也堅持要來到立法院外面是因為場外的民眾深愛台灣是因為他們知道民主的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
18816.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
18826.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
國民黨今天一直在糾結為什麼民進黨把立法院搞成這樣但人民更想問的是白爛的白藍黨為什麼把國家搞成這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
18830.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
18851.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
今天再度上演舉手表決﹐停止討論的戲碼﹐簡直就是夢回五月﹐國會擴權的時期﹐但是五月﹐十萬上街的青鳥﹐並沒有讓國民黨停下它的腳步﹐而這一頭極權的怪獸﹐還變得更邪惡﹐更可怕了﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
18852.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
18873.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
到現在還在善笑人民：說人民上街是求職求官：手上拿的手燈有給預算：還說追星人是瘋子：但是我們都知道：真正在求職求官的：想當台灣特首的：是炒股販：賣國賊傅坤祺： |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
18877.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
18897.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
每次從中國回來﹐就想把國家賣掉﹐就想把台灣賣掉。今天的選罷法修二﹐是史上最困難的身份證門檻。這一次的修法﹐等同是斷掉人民的手腳﹐殺掉民權最核心的精神。 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
18898.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
18915.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
國民黨為什麼這麼怕罷免我自己經歷過罷免韓院長也經歷過罷免我們當時都沒有要求要加延身份證而我撐過了罷免所以可以留任韓院長被高雄人罷免 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
18916.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
18929.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
但不論結果如何這就是民意我們都接受啦我們都接受了韓院長也接受了為什麼台上的這些國民黨不能接受你們就這麼輸不起嗎台上的這些國民黨比韓國瑜還沒有連面對失敗的勇氣都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
18939.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
18960.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
未來這些四年﹐台上這些囂張、傲慢、暴力獨裁的亂立委﹐只會通過更多無法無天的惡法﹐等到人民忍無可忍的那一天﹐很抱歉﹐想罷免罷不掉了﹐都太遲了﹐所以拜託人民請你們站出來﹐上街發出你們的幕後﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
18961.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
18976.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
最後我還是要再說一次或許民主可能要死了但是國民黨還沒有死透之前我們都不會死報告院會現有國民黨黨團提出停止討論請問院會有異議有異議進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
18986.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
18995.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決﹚針對是否採用點名表決﹚現在進行舉手表決﹚贊成民進黨黨團提議﹚請舉手來來來來那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
19075.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
19085.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
報告應會表決結果在場人數107人表決贊成人數45人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手一分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
19155.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
19159.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
重複表決贊成者少數表決結果在場107人表決贊成人數45人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現在針對國民黨黨團提議停止討論進行表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
19190.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
19191.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
在委會會心 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
19242.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
19249.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
表決結束,在場人數107人,贊成者59人,贊成者多數,停止討論通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決,現在進行重複表決,舉手表決,贊成國民黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
19327.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
19335.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
表決結果在場人數107人表決贊成人數59人贊成者多數宣告停止討論通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
19341.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
19359.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
請問院會第83條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過有無異議?有異議有異議我們現在進行表決我們再清點在場人數我們請清點在場人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
19452.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
19458.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
國會在場人數106人現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決,針對是否採用點名表決,現在進行舉手表決,贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
19558.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
19562.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
表決結果在場人數106人表決贊成人數44人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
19639.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
19643.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
表決結果在場人數106人表決贊成人數44人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現在進行第83條舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議條文請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
19740.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
19745.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數59人贊成者多數第83條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團條文請舉手贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
19816.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
19819.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數59人贊成者多數第83條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過現在進行增訂第98條之二請宣讀條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
19836.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
19863.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
委員許宇甄等20人提案．第98條之二．利用他人個人資料．未經同意未造假冒提議．連署者處5年以下有期徒刑．拘役或處新台幣100萬元以下罰款。國民黨黨團修正動議．第98條之二．利用他人個人資料．未經同意未造假冒提議．連署者處5年以下有期徒刑．拘役或科新台幣100萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
19864.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
19885.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
國民黨黨團再修正動議第98條之二．利用他人個人資料．未經同意未造假冒提議．或連署者．除5年以下有期徒刑．拘役或科新台幣100萬元下罰金．宣讀完畢現在依登記順序發言．並截止發言登記．請蔡委員異於發言．時間3分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
19898.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
19920.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
主席你待會就要沒收發言了所以我覺得我也不用用情形來說這條這一屆的國民黨真的是很會打啦禮拜一的時候你們把內政委員會封起來一邊是鐵門然後一邊在走廊那我們確實想要衝進內政委員會我們衝不進去因為你們的人這麼多你們的人這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
19925.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
19951.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
在今天我們用了好大的力氣從昨天晚上我們在這裡我們也是努力要來守護這個選罷法不要讓它通過但是你們強攻進來了我們受不了所以你們比較害怕你們才害怕不然你們害怕不代表給我看著你們的勇氣是知道說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
19954.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
19983.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
你不擔不勇氣 我覺得你是在做默默的尤其是在剛剛我們在雙方攻防的過程我還看到民眾黨民眾黨最扯的就是你不敢在主席台台的前面打你就躲在後台打我們在主席台的時候你們的人就在後面把我們拉所以你們民眾黨更是孬種 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
19986.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
19998.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
國際後台今天你們的黨主席已經可以通信了他一定會告訴大家他去世他幾年挑戰國民黨的勇氣你們現在背石都沒有你們就配合著要過這樣的選罷法回到選罷法 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
20007.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
20022.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
選辦法說到這個罷免：很多人有被罷免的經驗：我們的黃捷委員：我們第一次同事陳柏惟：第一次同事林長佐：他們都有面對罷免：陳柏惟甚至還被罷免成功： |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
20026.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
20053.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
但是我們在上一屆我們在上一屆我們國會多數的時候我們沒有啟動修選辦法把選辦法留在一樣的門檻而且這個門檻就是當年黃國昌被罷免的時候你主張相對多數決然後這一個四分之一的門檻保障你可以把那一屆的立委把他坐滿四年 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
20055.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
20083.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
結果你現在又重回到立法院你這個四分之一的門檻當年老柯保護你的這個四分之一門檻你說你程序佳言你未來要配合國民黨再把他的門檻拉高事實上我們看到的你們就是現在勇氣就沒有了那就是你們沒有最強的勇氣你們面對中國的時候永遠是卑躬屈膝你們就是中國對台灣的同路 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
20085.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
20098.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
報告院會現有國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議有異議進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決現有進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
20172.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
20178.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數45人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
20244.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
20249.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成人數44人,贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。現在針對國民黨黨團提議,請使討論進行表決。贊成國民黨黨團提議,請舉手。贊成! |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
20316.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
20329.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數59人贊成者多數宣告停止討論通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
20384.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
20410.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數106人﹐贊成人數59人﹐贊成者多數﹐停止討論通過現有有關民進黨針對舉手表決提出異議又提出異議因方才已採用舉手表決﹐已經願會表決通過﹐因此本案就不再處理請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
20415.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
20437.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
願會徵訂第98條之二,照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過有依現在表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決,針對是否採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決,贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
20500.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
20506.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數47人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
20568.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
20573.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成人數48人,贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過,現在進行增訂第98條之二,舉手表決,贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議條文,請舉手。 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
20651.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
20656.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成人數59人,贊成者多數,增訂第98條之二,照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決,現在進行重複表決,贊成國民黨黨團條文,請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
20726.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
20730.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數106人﹐贊成人數59人﹐贊成者多數﹐增訂第98條之二﹐照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過。全案經過二讀﹐現有國民黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀﹐請問院會有異議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
20752.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
20762.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
現有異議現在進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對四國針對四國採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
20830.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
20835.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成者43人,贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決,現在進行重複表決,舉手表決,贊成民進黨黨團提議,請舉手 |
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20906.24 |
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20909.983 |
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表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成人數44人,贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。現在舉手表決,贊成國民黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀,請舉手。 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
20934.63 |
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20937.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
20977.11 |
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20980.591 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數59人贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團繼續進行刪讀請舉手贊成 |
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21048.427 |
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21053.352 |
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重複表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成人數59人。贊成者多數,作以下宣告,本案繼續進行三讀。請宣讀經過二讀之條文。 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
21068.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
21094.289 |
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第76條 罷免案以被罷免人員選舉區選舉人為提議人：由提議人治理選人一人：填具罷免提議書一份：減負罷免理由書正負本各一份：提議人正本影本名冊各一份：向選舉委員會提出：前項提議人人數：因為原選舉區選舉人總數百分之一以上：其計算數值尾數如為小數者： |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
21095.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
21114.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
該小數即以整數一計算。第一項提議人名冊應依規定格式逐欄相時填寫﹐填去提議人國民身份證同意編號及戶籍地址﹐分村里裝訂成冊。提議人填具時﹐應付本人之國民身份證正反面一本﹐並指定提議人一人為 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
21116.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
21141.091 |
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被捕、領銜人：罷免理由書已不超過五千字為限：罷免案：案不得為二人以上之提議：但有二人以上罷免案時得同時投票：罷免案表屆不合第一項、第三項及項規定：或提議人名冊不足第二項規定之提議人數者：選舉委員會應不予受理：中央選舉委員會應建置電子系統：提供提議人之領銜人專求連署： |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
21142.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
21160.243 |
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﹐其適用罷免種類﹐連述方式﹐查對作業及其他相關事項之辦法﹐由中央選舉委員會定之。在電子連述者﹐其文件以電子記錄之方式提供﹐罷免案提議人之領銜人死亡﹐或經提議人總數二分之一以上書面同意者﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
21160.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
21187.029 |
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由被捕領銜人遞補為領銜人．以一次違憲。第79條,選舉委員會收到罷免案提議後．應與25日內查對第一人名冊．有下列情勢之一者應與刪除。一、提議人不合第76條第一項規定。二、提議人有第77條第一項之身份。三、提議人姓名、國名身份證同一編號．或戶籍、地址書寫寸無或不明。 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
21187.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
21205.035 |
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四、提議人明冊威警提議人簽名或蓋章五、提議人提議由未造形式六、提議人之國民身份證正反面影本．記載資料不明或影印不清晰．之不能辨認提議人之姓名出生年月日．戶籍地址或國民身份證統一編號者 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
21208.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
21224.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
提議人名冊經依前項規定刪除後﹐如不足規定人數﹐由選舉委員會將刪除之提議人及其個別室友﹐列冊通知提議人之領銜人於10日內補題﹐藉其不補題或補題人不足規定人數者﹐均不予受理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
21225.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
21249.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
符合規定人數及含告提議人之領銜人．自收到通知之次日起十日內．領取聯署人名冊格式．並於一定期間內徵求聯署．為一線領取聯署人名冊格式．是為放棄提議。先項補提以一次為限．補提之提議人名冊．應依第一項規定處理．如刪除後不足規定人數應不予受理． |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
21249.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
21273.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
選舉委員會應將刪除之提議人．其個別事由．列冊通知提議人之領銜人。第80條簡條第二項所定專求聯署之期間如下。一、立法委員、直轄市議員、直轄市長、縣市長之罷免為60日。二、縣市議員、鄉鎮市長、原住民區長之罷免為40日。三、鄉鎮市民代表、原住民區民代表． |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
21274.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
21301.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
村里長之罷免為20日．前項期間之起算．自領的聯署人名冊格式之次日起算．罷免案提人之領銜人．應將聯署人名冊陣營本各一份．於第一項規定期間內．向選修委員會一次提出與其不予受力．前項聯署人名冊．應依規定格式竹籃相時填寫．並填具聯署人之國民身份證．統一編號及戶籍地址．分村里裝訂成冊． |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
21303.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
21321.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
聯署人填據職應付本人之國民身份證正反面銀本．聯署人名冊為依規定格式提出者．選舉委員會應不予受理．第83條選舉委員會收到罷免案聯署人名冊後．立法委員執霞市議員．執霞市長、縣市長之罷免．應於40日內．縣市議員、鄉鎮市長．原住民區長之罷免應於20日內． |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
21328.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
21348.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
商政市民代表、原住民、區民代表、村里長只報名英語15日內查對聯署人名冊有下列各款情勢之一者英語刪除但聯署人名冊不足第81條第一項規定之聯署人數者選舉委員會應敬委不成立之宣告一、聯署人不合第81條第一項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
21352.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
21367.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
二、聯署人有第80條第三項規定請示．三、聯署人信名、國民身份證同意編號．或戶籍地址書寫錯誤或不明．四、聯署人名冊未經聯署人簽名或蓋章．五、聯署人聯署有未遭請示． |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
21367.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
21395.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
六、聯署人之國民身份證正反面引本．記載資料不明或引印不清晰．是不能辨認聯署人之姓名．出生年月日．戶籍地址或國民身份證．統一編號者。前項聯署人名冊經查對後．如不足規定人數．由選舉委員會通知提議人之領銜人．於10日內補提。藉其不補提或補提人不足．第81條第一項規定人數．選舉委員會因為罷免案不成立之宣告． |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
21396.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
21409.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
並應將刪除這聯署人及其個別事由列冊通知提議人之領銜人聯署人數符合規定者選舉委員會應為罷免案成立之宣告前項補題以一次違憲補題之聯署人名冊應依第一項規定處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
21413.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
21424.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
罷免案有下列情勢之一者﹐原提議人對同一被罷免人﹐一年內不得再為罷免案之提案﹐一、罷免案經宣告不成立﹐二、位於第79條第二項規定期限內﹐領取連署人名冊格式﹐是為放棄提議﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
21429.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
21452.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
三、位於第80條第一項規定期限內提出聯署人名冊．罷免案提議人名冊及聯署人名冊查對作業辦法．由中央選舉委員會定之．第98條之二．利用他人個人資料．未經同意未造．冒提議或聯署者．處5年以下有期徒刑．均亦或科新台幣100萬元以下罰金宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
21456.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
21471.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
報告院會,三讀條文已宣讀完畢,請問院會有無文字修正?沒有沒有沒有文字修正,決議公職人員選舉罷免法增訂第98條之二條文並將第76條、第79條、第80條及第83條條文修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
21486.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
21503.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
報告院會現有委員傅崐萁等人．針對本案三讀之決議提出復議．並請院會隨即處理報告院會現在進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決．針對是否採用點名表決．現在進行舉手表決．贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
21576.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
21590.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數41人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
21647.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
21659.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成者43人,贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。報告院會,本件復議案現在進行舉手表決,贊成傅昆齊委員復議案者請舉手。 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
21726.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
21731.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數106人﹐贊成人數45人﹐贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決﹐現在進行重複表決﹐贊成傅昆齊復議案者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
21797.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
21813.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數45人贊成者少數復議案不通過本案完成立法程序後由委員登記發言每位委員發言時間兩分鐘首先請吳思瑤委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
21821.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
21838.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
主席、各位同仁、所有的公民朋友今天是12月20日如同今年5月28日國會擴權法案被強行碾壓過關同樣的讓人感到痛心同樣的國會淪為台灣的民主之恥 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
21840.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
21857.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
一如傅昆齊在朝野協商落下的狠話﹐去了一趟中國回來﹐就要強推三大惡法﹐也如林思明小黨編﹐對外的放話﹐就在今天﹐國民黨要讓三大惡法﹐一次解決﹐一次搞定﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
21859.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
21878.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
默收了人民的權利：現在通過的是第一案的選罷法：選罷法加難加嚴：連連署成案都要被剝奪人民神聖的憲法父權：選罷法通過了誰最開心：現在的葉元芝最開心： |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
21879.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
21886.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
王宏威口口聲聲說國民黨沒有再怕罷免的啦事實證明國民黨有多怕罷免我要跟大家報告程序完全的不完備剛剛被表決通過的選罷法是全案禁覆二讀會員區禁覆二讀的議案委員會零討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
21907.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
21916.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
朝野協商韓國瑜主持了兩次．但沒有一次進入十一值的條文討論．哪裡有程序的正義．剛剛表決前．我們爭取最後的發言．民進黨團登記了206人．國民黨、民眾黨．沒有一個人敢上來登記發言．他們沒有辦法為自己的所作所為．對歷史交代． |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
21933.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
21934.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
我們當今206人．只有7個人可以上來發言．重視眾議在哪裡．今天是台灣的民主之時． |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
21945.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
21948.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
好,下一位請李柏毅委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
21970.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
21980.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我先表達非常的遺憾今天站在後面的不是韓院長不是當事人不是那個曾經被高雄市民罷免的韓國瑜 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
21982.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
22006.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
你知道嗎2020年罷免韓國瑜的聯署書罷韓團體一共送了40萬份聯署書如果要再一次罷免韓國瑜依今天通過這套法律要高雄市民交出40萬份身份證聯署是不是要實質沒收人民罷免的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
22008.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
22027.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
各位市長一個城市40萬份的身份證聯署你說你們要沒收聯署誰相信在這邊也恭喜韓院長他如果沒有之前那一套罷免法他到今天可能也不會是韓院長可能還是韓市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
22029.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
22044.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
因為有前一套罷免法：今天修了這套罷免法：就沒有未來繼續可以罷免的權利：很可惜：台灣在亞洲民主國家明列前茅：立法院是台灣的民意機關： |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
22046.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
22066.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
卻用國民黨用這種最不民主的方式來沒收人民罷免的權利用這種最不民主的方式舉手表決的方式不敢負責的方式來保護自己未來可能會被罷免我在這邊必須要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
22069.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
22092.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
當今年1月13日﹐台灣人民投給中國國民黨的立法委員的時候﹐他同時也知道﹐他擁有罷免國民黨立法委員的權利﹐你再比賽到一半﹐任期到一半﹐改變了這一個遊戲規則﹐人民不會接受﹐憲法也不會接受﹐我們要提出釋憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
22095.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
22102.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
好 謝謝下一位請郭育晴委員發言郭育晴委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
22117.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
22138.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
主席、各位同仁還有現在在場外依舊在集點6000位以上的公民朋友很遺憾、很難過、很憤怒今天雖然歷經將近超過15個小時我們守在這個地方還是沒有能夠守住 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
22139.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
22143.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
國民黨跟民眾黨他們要二修選罷法 剝奪你們的罷免權 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
22149.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
22169.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
2013年我們一直在尋找那位當年的預言家他說2012年有一群立委他們可能預言自己將來會做一些很可怕的事所以呢他們開始提修法要提高罷免的難度要你交出身份證的正反應等 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
22170.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
22176.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
我表面上支持但是要我給門都沒有而2013年講這個話的人就是黃國昌 |
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22211.08 |
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當年2013年的黃國昌．把臉接在2024年12月20日的黃國昌．他坐在那邊．一邊抖腳．一邊手插胸前．一邊善笑．他手跟著所有國民黨的委員．一起舉起來．這就是當年2013年那位大議員家．他也預言了今天這個． |
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22226.703 |
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荒蕩、非常荒唐、離譜的﹐剝奪人民罷免權的黃國昌在這裡我們非常沉痛﹐也感到非常的痛心﹐跟遺憾我們的罷免權﹐被國眾兩黨給剝奪了 |
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而將來只會在我們的立法院出現更多關門自修所有他們要修的惡法人民你們可以接受嗎? |
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好,謝謝郭委員。報告院會,現有國民黨黨團提議,鑒於本案已完成三讀,已由委員發言,鑒請院會停止後續完成立法程序後之委員發言,以登記發言委員書面內容補列入公報記錄,請公決案。請問院會有無異議?有異議,進行表決。 |
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22270.834 |
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22282.757 |
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由於進行表決﹚現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決﹚針對適合採用點名表決﹚現在進行舉手表決﹚贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手贊成民進黨黨團提議的請舉手 |
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22301.96 |
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法定人數不足 |
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本院委員長每次採取的採取案件都要照顧因為現在他也這樣罵韓運他只有這一句話破窗白啊!破窗!破窗!破窗!臉誰?臉誰?臉誰?臉誰?臉誰?臉誰?臉誰? |
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22362.708 |
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22381.418 |
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表決結果106人在場贊成人數31人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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22445.914 |
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22450.057 |
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總務表決在場人數106人贊成人數31人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不空過現在針對國民黨黨團提議三讀後發言停止發言進行表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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22541.923 |
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22556.738 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數57人贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團提議群舉手贊成 |
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22621.558 |
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22634.371 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數57人贊成者多數宣告停止發言通過書面內容列入公報記錄 |
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22636.857 |
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22660.311 |
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討論事項第二案憲法訴訟法第4條及第95條條文修正草案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商後再行處理報告院會本案因協商已逾一個月無法達成共識依立法院職權行使法第71條之一規定 |
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22661.932 |
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22688.973 |
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由院會定期處理．源於本次會議提出討論．現在進行廣泛討論．依登記順序發言．並截止登記．請鍾嘉斌委員發言．時間3分鐘我們修正改請吳思亞委員發言 |
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22694.264 |
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22696.146 |
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所有的國人朋友沒收了人民的罷免權利沒收了人民的憲法復權國民黨還不過癮國民黨還要繼續地惡搞現在要進行討論的議案是憲法訴訟法 |
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22718.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
憲法速速法在委員會快轉過水更嚴重的是全文憲法速速法朝野協商沒有進行半次韓國瑜應當召開的憲速法朝野協商沒有進行半次實質條文的協商這就跟設個會期的國會擴權 |
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22743.841 |
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22744.343 |
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立法院職權行使法一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
22749.315 |
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22750.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
民黨永遠沒有學會教訓民眾黨現在淪為幫兇同樣相同的現在要表決限塑法委員會沒有討論朝野協商沒有討論現在又最後一刻才送上來民眾黨的修正動議跟上會期的國會擴權一模一樣 |
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22776.75 |
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22778.011 |
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最後一刻才把黑箱條文拿出來我跟大家說明民眾黨跟國民黨最終的政治計謀一模一樣 |
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22796.322 |
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癱瘓憲法法庭﹚民眾黨現在送出來的修正動議﹚就是一個包牌的版本﹚不管是判決的門檻﹚從國民黨的10人﹚變成民眾黨的9人﹚都是一樣換他不換要﹚都是鎖死憲法法庭的開會人數﹚就是要癱瘓大法官的視線解釋﹚ |
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22822.047 |
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黃珊珊的本本自以為加入了救濟的補救方案事實上這完全都是假的救濟方案完全沒有實質的效力民眾黨今天最後一刻 |
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22838.436 |
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22842.058 |
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．跟國民黨端出來表決前的黑箱條文．跟原始汪小林提出來的版本．換他不換要．都是把司法權．踐踏在立法權之下．都是把立法院的政治黑手．深入了憲法法庭當中．沒有朝野協商的憲法訴訟法．韓國瑜躲起來了． |
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22868.35 |
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22887.937 |
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韓國瑜不敢面對端倪跟二號傀儡交起城來主持民主新報刀反對違憲的法案下一位下一位請鍾嘉斌委員發言請鍾嘉斌委員發言憲法訴訟法 |
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22896.829 |
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22923.763 |
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是大法官憲法法庭決定人民權利的最後寄託憲法法庭不是政黨拿來做政爭的舞台現在國民黨要求憲法訴訟法依法定原額而不是一線的總額已經是荒天下之大機民政黨提出的版本假意 |
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22925.286 |
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22947.456 |
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現在大家才看到的修正動議假意沒有去動現有總額改為法定總額但是他說違憲的憲判必須有10名出席9名評議通過才能成立這跟國民黨的現有總額改為法定總額一模一樣 |
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22948.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
22957.918 |
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可見藍白無非就是要來癱瘓憲法法庭阻止人民申請對憲法保障權利的最後救濟 |
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22959.232 |
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22987.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
而且還特別搶在現在進行因為他們知道下週二就要進行大法官的同意權如果說現有8名大法官在即將進入的7名被提名人沒有通過2名表示中華民國司法權將死憲法法庭將永遠無法運作然後他們就會大聲的對社會宣布說因為我們在下週二 |
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22989.006 |
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23012.816 |
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國民黨只同意兩個民進黨也同意兩個民進黨如果你不支持我們人選你們以後就沒有憲法法庭了如此的用心早就被媒體識破但是我們在這裡仍要說明利用人事同意權之前通過這種卑劣的憲法訴訟法 |
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23039.3 |
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擺明了不讓大法官有機會．來表達對這個法律．從嚴重抵觸我們憲法分權的設計．立法權嚴重侵犯司法權．當司法權表示意見的時候．立法權大大地說．我已經修過法了．你們沒有10個大法官．不能給我開憲法法庭． |
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23068.695 |
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而且他在下週二的人事同意權通過之後他告訴你現在有8個接下來有7個要代審只要沒有通過2個憲法法庭就會葬送在同意權的審查當中所以他們會指定指定他們要的人然後要求民進黨全數支持未來憲法法庭才能運作 |
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23070.022 |
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23080.624 |
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這就是藍白的狼子野心啊!同盟們!我們要打破這樣的困境!站出來!好,謝謝總委員下一位請蔡易瑜委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
23085.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
23112.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我要講的時候我聽到林思明不知道靠什麼人他在問他說要給他講幾個大概就講到我這裡他就不會有了啦對啊沒有啊你剛才講那一句我就覺得莫名其妙的然後我要嚴正的抗議江啟臣我跟你說三讀了後還有討論嗎你剛才說是停職討論捏三讀後是敢言捏 |
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23114.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
23138.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
還有討論嗎?就已經三讀還要討論什麼?你說提案停止討論然後停止討論後的感言就沒了程序就不見了有這樣搞的嗎?你們的立法院被你們將其成為一個政治學的學政治的搞成這個樣子臺中人蒙羞 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
23140.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
23168.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
臺中人蒙修啦事實上你們就是為了趕快車就是為了現在的憲法訴訟法為了憲法訴訟法你們提出了好多修正版本國民黨也好多民眾黨也好多修正版本事實上後來你們的版本就趨於一致嘛不管是你們說的三分之二還是後來有修五分之三民眾黨本來說十人後來變九人還是怎樣都不管 |
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23170.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
23196.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
重點就是你們讓未來的憲法法庭沒有辦法開庭你們讓憲法法庭沒辦法運作沒有辦法運作的憲法法庭正好迎合你們國民黨你們要繼續搞毀憲亂政你們要繼續搞這些傷害台灣所以我還是要再一次的強調國民黨民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
23200.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
23227.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
你們在今天的程序中我都在想你們真的很害怕我們沒辦法動你我們用了我們最大的努力我們昨天晚上就所在這裡用了我們最大的努力就是這個憲法輸送法憲法輸送法癱瘓大法官癱瘓大法官的結果是什麼未來是包括人民的權利救濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
23229.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
23256.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
也沒有辦法被大憲法法庭來保護捏憲法法庭保護的不是只有機關之間的對抗不是只有政黨之間的對決更重要是人民基本權利的保護結果你讓憲法法庭沒辦法運作然後後來你們還要提出一個修正版本我看了覺得很好笑你們說合憲的合憲的話人可以比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
23258.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
23269.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
違憲的話就要照你們這個人數我笑死人本來憲法的法庭,就是合憲跟違憲兩種解釋啊有合憲人比較聰明,違憲人要比較聰明點一張條文,一笑大方,笑死人好,謝謝蔡委員,下一位請李坤城委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
23292.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
23292.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
李坤城委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
23305.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
23334.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
現在要討論的是限訴法的修正案但是這個限訴法朝野協商都完全沒有協商過包含等一下有可能要再進行的裁判法也都是一樣那可見今天國民黨跟民眾黨他們是吃了秤砣鐵的心就是要把這三大惡法讓它通過剛剛已經先通過了選罷法通過選罷法呢就是第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
23335.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
23361.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
因為呢只要通過了選罷法之後接下來的你不管是這個限數法或是這個緬劃法或是說你要亂砍預算包含這個潛艦的預算包含這個國防的預算包含這個所有中央政府的預算都可以隨便亂砍為什麼因為不用害怕被罷免啦好因為我是要亂砍預算亂提法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
23362.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
23376.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
也不會有選民來制裁我啦要制裁我只要等到四年之後等到三年之後才來這個選舉的時候再來見真章但是我們台灣還有辦法經過你們這三年的糟蹋嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
23378.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
23403.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
沒有辦法經過你們這三年的糟蹋但是你們現在已經有買了第一個保險就是選辦法修正案要付這一個身份證的影本接下來在一個月之後你們還要再買另外一個保險就是說要罷免多一票有了這個雙保險所有國民黨的立委就不怕被罷免了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
23418.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
那如果提出一些違憲的法案該怎麼辦呢?像上個會期提出的這個國會擴權法案被大法官裁定絕大多數都是違憲那現在好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
23419.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
23438.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
現在怕說現在﹐不論是現在的選罷法﹐恐怕有自肥的嫌疑﹐因為當初選民在投你這一票的時候﹐是要投給你﹐但是也可以罷免你﹐但是你現在呢﹐他按照同樣一部的選罷法﹐你就把這個罷免權﹐把它收掉了﹐這就是自肥啊﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
23440.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
23458.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
這有可能會違憲啊但是現在呢怕說有違憲那我就先把你大法官這個人數先把它砍掉下個禮拜24號7位被提名的大法官人選很有可能全部被封殺那我現在剩下幾個大法官剩下8個 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
23460.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
23479.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
剩下8個大法官所以不論是按照國民黨的版本或是按照民眾黨的版本若沒有辦法開會也沒有辦法批議那整個憲法法庭就被封殺掉了就被這一個國民黨民眾黨獨大的立法權封殺掉司法權了 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
23480.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
23498.063 |
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所以他要封殺行政權,要封殺司法權那以後呢,整個國會就是讓國民黨跟民眾黨一起亂搞,因為他們...好,謝謝,下一位請王逸川委員發言換了嗎?好,我們換吳秉瑞委員發言 |
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各位同仁還有全國的媒體記者還有民眾黨的委員你們認真聽一下憲法訴訟法在委員會過個水沒有實質審議沒有經過院長組織的政黨協商然後在這個地方提出修憲的版本 |
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這要因連串的運作之下造成什麼結果這個應該由司法院要適用的法律因為憲法法庭是在司法院底下司法院沒有任何表達意見的機會 |
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沒有協商所以司法院的代表沒有辦法表達意見今天臨時提出來的修正案司法院連看都沒有看過司法院也沒有表達過任何的意見結果現在要用這樣的速度用這樣的邏輯馬上通過憲法訴訟法然後強制司法院要適用這個法律 |
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這個是完全沒有道理有完全違反權力分立的原則今天本院在定這個法律這個法律不是對行政院的這個法律是對司法院的結果從法案的提出到委員會的審查然後到了院會司法院完全沒有表達意見的機會 |
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我們今天是在幹這件事情然後我們這個自己在這邊搞一搞拿出去就說你司法院非得照我這樣做不可我覺得這個事情是做下這樣子的惡例這個惡例做下去之後臺灣的五權憲法制度甚或權力分立制度是完全崩潰的以後只要誰是立法院的多數黨我不用在乎 |
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必須要適用這個法律委員是什麼意見不用管他在憲法這個憲政機關上是什麼地位完全可以讓他沒有智慧的餘地就由立法院的多數黨用不讓你討論的方式就直接把你表決直接把你通過然後叫你適用 |
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我們非常了解民眾黨的同仁跟國民黨的意見一致但是你要了解你今天要這樣做 |
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尤其王珊珊委員你是學法律的你是一個律師你想想看這個《憲法訴訟法》是司法院應該適用的法律但是整個過程從頭到尾都沒有讓司法院也表達意見的機會連今天因此提出的這個修正版本司法院也都不知道然後我們在這個地方就要表決通過了這個惡例說下去之後台灣的權力分立 |
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我們的憲政結構可以說宣告...好,謝謝。下一位請王逸川委員發言。好,我還是要尊稱女醫生江啟臣副院長。正在那裡的教授。今天去韓國的有個主持,叫你主持。 |
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但是呢﹐我覺得你今天的主持啊﹐叫你一號在尬的聲音應該是顛倒病﹐丟盡了臺中人的臉﹐讓臺中人覺得很丟臉﹐有一個法律﹐另外他就規定說﹐要這個政黨協商﹐要不然協商就來賭的內容﹐今天就要擬出來二賭三賭啊﹐愛民共黨﹐ |
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也很慘,不然國民黨總統選舉：民眾黨員給我搞黑白的,都要在你懷!想改這個法律可以這樣想改?你講既然做無意中．斷連關你還要發表感言也不行,都在你面前啦! |
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臨港立法院內地都要提案．運行費也都要省．那天的內政運行費就沒省．都要負責任務．運行費都要省．條約都要省．每次提案現在二、三度．一直凸起、一直凸起．這是民主的國家．這是中華民國的立法院． |
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所以 蔣啟臣副院長啊 蔣啟臣副院長不知你在做什麼 正在那裡高燒不知人家說你想要選台中市長趕小事香港的要漏氣 你如果對他要漏氣香港的程度你還在叫他避香港的亂創造的 全台灣都知道想說你蔣啟臣會給他好一點你一樣 |
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作下這麼長的示範今天在場外的我們的好朋友今天各位第一次認識蔣啟臣在選擇這話案的時候這個婚姻長是什麼態度?是什麼程度?他的態度?他的程度?就跟韓國的一樣啦!程度都一樣啦!沒辦法啦! |
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你今天這樣擬,臨港立法院如果要修法就對了,立法院要修法,啊,不用修太多啦,那份法規也不用開啦。在這陸陸的喔,12、23度喔,我看這樣速度比較快。所以,江啟臣副院長,我最好尊稱你一聲,江啟臣副院長。 |
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今天再看你這條憲法輸送法你怎麼表現全台中人都在看,年輕朋友都在看政治學博士、政治學教授怎麼處理這樣的法案好,謝謝黃委員下一位我們請徐富奎委員 |
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全國的鄉親還有在我們現在在包圍我們立法院所有的關心我們臺灣民主發展所有的親老的朋友們我想今天是臺灣最黑暗民主最黑暗的一天立法院這一屆兩個會期從上一個會期國民黨還有民眾黨這個國會擴權 |
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一再的用所謂的一個惡劣的手段通過這個國會擴權不甘願沒有通過之後現在接著這一個會期連續要今天強行碾壓包含剛剛的選罷法還有現在的限訴法等一下還有裁罷法我想一連串的手段就是要癱瘓我們的台灣的民主政治剛剛我們很多民進黨的委員都有在提到 |
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副坤啟總召帶了我們的國民黨的委員到了大陸之後就一再的火速的一定要通過一連串這個對於大陸這個習近平主席要交代的一些的重要的法案我想這對台灣民主是一個扼殺也是一個極對不公平的地方 |
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我們昨天晚上我們所有民進黨的立委我們為什麼要採取這樣的一個手段我們就是不想看到我們這樣臺灣的民主斷送在這個這一群你看現在站在後面這一次選八法修過最高興的就是站在後面這些國民黨的委員因為他們知道什麼未來齁,我們台灣的鄉親北省喔,沒有在場他們啦!真的沒有在場他們啦!他們選到當選之後,就親在他們啦!後邊 |
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臨河 臨河 什麼黑漆黑漆 什麼很可怕的東西都會出現在我們的立法院 非常非常的麻煩我們大家鄉親真的要走走 要害怕啦 我想剛才我們的限訴法 非常非常 |
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﹚同意權之行使事項．依據憲法增修條文第5條 |
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教育文化也好還有所謂的交通建設我相信這些東西對台灣未來發展非常非常的重要但是因為今天國民黨強行擬押通過這三個惡法之後台灣的民主今天已經死了但是我相信我們今天51個民進黨的立委我們不怕我們未來我們會繼續來拍拚跟我們社會、我們全國的鄉親一定要站出來大家站出來共同譴責國民黨跟民眾 |
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這種惡質的行為不能讓台灣的民主斷送在他們的手裡面。 |
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首先今天真的是非常的遺憾沒想到我們江副院長比韓國瑜院長還要讓人失望那他很少數來主持那今天就破壞了惡例讓我們非常多委員剛剛在選罷法之後沒有辦法上來談他的感言 |
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針對今天這個憲法訴訟法的修法我想最荒謬的是我們這個立法院因為五月全國民眾都知道五月國會擴權案藍白的法案 |
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主席 |
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所以這個國會變成憲政怪獸就自己認為可以再來修憲法訴訟法來癱瘓這個憲法法庭讓我們的憲政讓大家感覺到已經被毀壞今天非常荒謬的事情是我不知道大家到底知不知道今天我們待會要表決的版本是什麼 |
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之前我們看到的翁小玲偉大的版本讓大家看到就是她所謂的第30條大法官現有總額必須三分之二以上同意也就是只要賴清德總統提出來的法官的人數被他們否決或者遲遲不處理的時候我們的憲法法庭就癱瘓了結果呢就如同剛剛我的同事所講 |
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民眾黨拿出了一個好各位桌上可以看到的這個討論3有一個我這個社會學博士看了半天看的不是很懂的東西想請教你們 |
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什麼叫做參與之人數未達前項規定：無法進行評議時：得經大法官現有總而過半數同意：為不受理之裁定我們不是法律人我們做個立委有資格問你們問題吧你們民眾黨針對翁小玲這個三分之二這個不受理的意思是以後就不用受理了所以這個就沒有問題了嗎我不能問這樣一個一般公民想問的問題嗎 |
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那你們的修正動議提到說前項參與評議之大法官人數不得低於10人做成違憲之宣告時同意違憲宣告之大法官人數不得低於9人那我們想問的是說如果立法院遲遲不願意審查的話那是不是一樣癱瘓所以民眾黨看起來弄了一個 |
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好像修正了一些翁小玲的但事實上第一個今天拿出來對全國的不要說對憲法學者了啦他們到現在知不知道我們的憲法法庭要表決這樣的在場的國民黨的委員你看過了嗎我看不懂請你告訴我你看不看得懂民眾黨這版本是什麼國民黨也是喔你們也是今天都給我們好 謝謝下一位請林楚英委員發言 |
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請林竹英委員發言 |
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謝謝主席以及我們各位大院同仁首先我要講的是我是東吳政治系畢業所以我對於東吳政治系感到榮耀我也以我們學校的師資為榮但是其實我覺得非常的遺憾是沒有想到今天身為東吳政治系教授 |
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然後現在是我們立法院的江啟臣副院長居然在剛剛也就是選罷法三讀之後沒收了有關於我們的發言的權利我想討論跟三讀之後的發言的權利是不一樣的為什麼我要這樣講所有的修法不論修法過程如何最後都是這一屆所有立法委員的心血 |
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每一位委員他都有可以發表他的看法的機會他不是討論而接下來我們要面對的刑事訴訟法卻完全沒有在立法院的委員會當中來做討論現在就馬上要進行表決我們都知道民眾非常關注屬於自己的權益 |
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5月的時候因為擴權法案：讓民眾瞭解到了大法官的存在：以及他的意義：但是其實大法官真正：他日常中所接受到的釋憲案：多數都是攸關人民的權利：以及憲法所賦予他們的保障：是不是被法令所侵害了： |
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越是這樣跟人民相關就越是需要經過細緻的討論結果現在不論是國民黨的版本又是民眾黨所提出來的再修正案這些版本完全就是剛剛在決定要來審查這個法案要來表決這個法案之後才拿出來的 |
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過去在五月的時候十萬民眾上街頭他們要求的就是沒有討論不是民主而今天在這裡即使所有的民進黨委員都上來發言我們真的討論了嗎沒有 |
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因為他完全沒有針對實質的內容以及司法院是否可行完全都沒有經過這樣的討論沒有經過這樣的協商 |
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如果這樣的法案：就立下了標準：就這樣過關：我要問：這個立法院：他還有真正在審法案嗎：是不是只要國民黨想過：通通拿出來：不用在乎：因為剛剛選辦法已經過了：國民黨不用怕罷免：可以恣意妄為下一位請沈博洋委員發言 |
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這一次第4條跟第95條的修正第一個它就是一個現有總額的一個更改這一個法律如果過的話真的是贏效大方為什麼不是因為剛剛講的這些理由剛剛那些理由當然是已經夠好笑了但最好笑的事情就是在法律的用語現有總額跟法定總額就是兩個不一樣的法律用語當時王嘉義在很久以前的會議裡面就講過現有總額就不是法定總額 |
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如果限由總額就是法定總額你就寫總額兩個字就好啦你根本分限由總額跟法定總額這是一個非常明顯的法律文字的錯誤這種法要這樣修下去以後教科書攤開來跟大家講說現在限訴法直接限由總額定成法定總額那是笑掉大家的大牙這是一個很單純的一個立法技術的問題我從這一個條文提出來一直提醒到現在沒有人要聽 |
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當時國會濫權法案也是一堆前後矛盾的條文一堆文字完全不符合的條文怎麼提醒都沒有用然後到最後呢就被大法官宣告違憲剛剛葉元智一直在講說選罷法輸不起限訴法才叫輸不起啊 |
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自己訂出來的法律 被憲法法庭宣告違憲現在就來修憲訴法 要來跟大法官報仇這不是輸不起是什麼 這才叫做真的輸不起啊而且輸不起的方式有多爛法律的文字都沒有遵守 也就算了現在按照這個再修正的版本還是個最高機密版的 又是今天才送出來的 |
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要九成的大法官說你違憲才可以是違憲這舉世獨創欸剛時在這個一樣在協商的過程當中我都把這些都講得很清楚我才講第一句我跟小林就站起來走掉了沒有人要聽啊 |
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24652.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
24674.634 |
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那麼嚴重的一個立法錯誤還把德國的兩階段制搞錯還把日本的規定也搞錯然後援引在這個裡面然後說我們現在在仿效其他國家的做法這不是笑掉人家的大牙嗎選罷法剛剛就已經是一個很明顯的政治操作了 |
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24675.619 |
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24697.494 |
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憲速法除了是輸不起在做政治操作之外為什麼要趕著今天就是因為下個禮拜就是大法官的投票這就是要綁架下個禮拜的大法官你10個裡面要9個你要9成那你的意思就是你這兩個就是你要指定的嘛你就可以來決定到底有沒有辦法宣告違憲嘛 |
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最後沒有法律可以被宣告違憲之下你們的什麼中配的6年變4年啊什麼中天條款啊都可以通過了啦這就是國民黨的政治目的啊好 謝謝陳委員報告院會現有國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議 |
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24721.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
24734.149 |
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有意進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手講了10個了講了10個了 |
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24810.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
24816.568 |
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表決結果﹐在場人數106人﹐贊成人數39人﹐贊成者少數﹐民進黨黨團提議不公過﹐現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決﹐現在進行重複表決﹐舉手表決﹐贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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24891.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
24899.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數106人﹐贊成人數40人﹐贊成者少數﹐民進黨黨團提議不通過現在針對國民黨黨團提議﹐請只討論進行表決﹐贊成國民黨黨團提議﹐請舉手 |
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24994.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
25005.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
表決結果在場人數106人﹐贊成人數59人﹐贊成者多數﹐停止討論通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決﹐現在進行重複表決﹐贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
25087.351 |
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稿決結果在場人數106人贊成人數59人贊成者多數宣告停止討論通過現在進行逐條討論請宣讀第4條條文 |
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25110.94 |
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委員翁曉琳等17人提案第4條,憲法法庭審理規則由司法院定之,前項規則由全體大法官一決之,本法所稱大法官現有總額,細指憲法增修條文第5條所定大法官人數。 |
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民眾黨黨團修正動議第4條憲法法庭審理規則由司法院定之前項規則由全體大法官一決之大法官應任其屆滿、辭職、免職或死亡以致人數未達憲法增修條文第5條第一項所定之人數時總統應於2個月內補足提名 |
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國民黨黨團修正動議第4條 憲法法庭審理規則由司法院定之﹐前項規則由全體大法官一決之﹐本法所稱大法官之現有總額﹐細指憲法增修條文第5條所定大法官人數 |
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25172.438 |
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台灣民眾黨團再修正動議第4條憲法法庭審理規則由司法院定之前項規則由全體大法官一決之大法官應任期屆滿辭職免職或死亡以致人數未達中華民國憲法增修條文第5條第一項所定人數時總統應於2個月內補足提名 |
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國民黨黨團在修正動議第4條憲法法庭審理規則由司法院定之前項規則由全體大法官一決之本法所稱大法官現有總額細指中華民國憲法增修條文第5條第一項所定之大法官人數大法官應任其屆門辭職免職或死亡以致人數未達中華民國憲法增修條文第5條第一項所定人數時總統應於2個月內補足提名宣讀完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
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現在依登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先請鍾嘉斌委員發言時間3分鐘各位偉大的政治家一定看過好萊塢的電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
25234.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
25262.672 |
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捷匪搶銀行一定有三部曲今天有藍匪跟白匪我要去搶銀行第一步一定要解除警鈴的設定為什麼因為觸動警鈴就會被發現所以今天國民黨跟民眾黨修選罷法第一步解除被罷免的威脅讓人民無法罷免他他接下來就為所欲為第二步 |
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25263.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
25290.422 |
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要打開 要料倒銀行的警衛今天 我們國家憲法的守護神總統 憲法機關 最重要的憲法法庭所以 他今天發明一部銀行可以有警衛 但是警衛不能帶槍大法官可以繼續存在但是呢 一定要足足的法定原額 |
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25292.219 |
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25309.849 |
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所以當警衛不配槍：無形中捷匪就撂倒了警衛第三步要取得金庫的密碼今天我們中華民國的金庫就是人民的納稅金納稅金交給了我們政府 |
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25311.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
25326.613 |
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財化法財化法就是人民的金庫所以接下來在限速法超速通過之後他們會馬上快馬加鞭修改財化法然後呢藍匪白匪 |
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25327.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
25351.828 |
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搶了金庫就開始要分贓到底地方縣市政府怎麼分可能還有待觀察通常啊分贓不平往往還被其他人把他們的搶來的贓款給劫走了那個人可能就叫做習近平所以今天藍白合謀幹掉了我們人民的罷免讓緊鄰沒辦法觸動 |
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25354.195 |
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接下來又撂倒了銀行的警衛讓警衛沒有配槍讓憲法法庭沒有辦法就這些違憲的法案宣布停止試用然後呢他們大搖大擺的闖進金庫財化法把人民的稅金通通搶到地方去接下來就是地方政府要如何分贓的問題我們等著看藍匪跟白匪如何處理財化法的分贓 |
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25382.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
25392.325 |
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怕的是還沒有享用這些賬款﹐恐怕對岸的PRCR﹐就沒有讓中華民國有存活的餘地﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
25393.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
25395.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
下一位請吳思耀委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
25440.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
25463.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
立法委員真的有這麼大嗎?立法委員可以把手伸到司法權裡面去嗎?現在在討論非常嚴肅的憲法課題,臺灣面對了有史以來最大的憲政危機。大家看看我的左手邊,傅昆齊大黨編,戴著耳機聽著音樂, |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
25464.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
25469.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
完全不理會嚴肅的憲法條文的辯論大家看看國民黨的傅昆奇去了一趟中國回來強推選罷法、限訴法、裁劃法討論議案的時刻他帶著他的耳機聽什麼音樂我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
25487.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
25507.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
但是我要告訴傅崐萁不要掩耳盜鈴不要小看人民的聲音國民黨的立委民眾黨的立委違憲上癮了所以害怕釋憲乾脆就來摧毀憲法今天在討論的憲法訴訟法同樣分成兩包 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
25515.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
25518.396 |
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第一包是第4條跟第95條委員會有審查但是過水第二包30條跟43條大家注意了跟剛剛的選罷法一樣完全是進覆二讀委員會零討論朝野協商零討論今天就要來強行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
25545.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
25549.416 |
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我手上拿著的是當代法律11月的版本11月的期刊我要提醒黃珊珊委員你說立法院依法行使職權但也不該導致憲法法庭的實質停擺 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
25564.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
25572.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
黃珊珊說 汪小林的版本不可行 憲法法庭實務的運作來看並不會發生少數意見的主導黃珊珊也反對國民黨的版本在權力分立的制衡原則下 立法院不能侵犯司法的獨立這是法律文黃珊珊的投書 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
25590.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
25595.135 |
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．但是現在討論的第4條．黃珊珊即便增列了第3項．但是她同樣是閃躲利用同意權．來杯葛總統的提名權．實質就是癱瘓憲法法庭．民眾黨不要再包牌了．不要再沆瀣一氣注重文業．這樣的條文違憲違憲違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
25620.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
25623.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
好,謝謝下一位請蔡育宇委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
25648.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
25671.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
副院長想不到你連憲法訴訟法這個在草野協商沒有充分協商剛剛還說至少讓我們發表一下意見結果講沒幾個人又要沒收討論了講沒幾個人就馬上沒收討論連何新淳講一下的機會都沒有憲法訴訟法第4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
25673.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
25698.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
我們看到國民黨的版本說大法官的現有總額是憲法增修條文第5條所定大法官的人數事實上現有總額這樣的四個字也不是只有在大法官的時候才有現有總額我們立法委員、立法院也有憲法總額現有總額這四個字 |
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25699.451 |
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25726.11 |
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那我們知道我們立委在立法院最多的時候就是113席但是我們中間有可能是中間會有的同事他可能去世或者是有的同事他可能去另謀他職或者是他去職了或者是其他的因素他離開了我們立法院只要他離開了我們立法院現有總額這一個數字就不是113 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
25728.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
25756.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
只要比方說有3個人現在不在立法院現在的現有總額就叫做110所以整個現有總額本來就是一個浮動的概念我們立法院是這樣司法院也是一樣的概念那怎麼會在司法院的時候你們提出來翁小玲的版本阿就要標新立異然後說這個現有總額就是只限在憲法增修條文所定的15人 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
25758.459 |
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25779.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
阿你買頂這15人用意非常的明顯再配合你們等下要修的30條、43條你們要用三分之二的門檻或者是五分之三的門檻就可以創造未來憲法法庭沒有辦法實質開會我們的司法院大法官憲法法庭就被癱瘓 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
25781.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
25800.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
然後民眾黨之前黃珊珊委員也有投書阿阿你們的投書勒有投書然後說不可以讓憲法法庭被癱瘓那後來你終於亮出了你的版本阿你第一個版本你的版本勒10個人跟9個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
25802.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
25824.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
十個人跟九個人就跟翁小林所講的三分之二十五的三分之二是多少?十啊九的數字勒十五的三分之二是多少?五分之三啊所以你冷凍不要再嫁了嘛國民黨民眾黨你炸的倒坑好了就要在那一個要湊好一個好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
25831.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
25852.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
下一位請莊瑞雄委員發言謝謝主席,在場所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
25853.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
25862.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
偉大的看起來會在這一次修法完以後被台灣人民透氣的齷齪的政治家歷史常常會重演第一次重演是悲劇如果相同的悲劇再重演的話那就是一個鬧劇那就是一個笑話了 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
25883.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
25911.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
1958年到1993年這30年的期間過去在我們台灣在我們中華民國一年大法官會議的解釋不到10件然後呢國民黨再去把他癱瘓國民黨每次對大法官的一個懲罰就會造成無辜的百姓 |
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25912.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
25915.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
一年有51件看在國民黨﹑看在臺灣民眾黨的眼裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
25936.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
25956.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
可能認為臺灣的民眾太舒服了怎麼可以配擁有這樣的一個救濟的機會今天這一次的限速法的一個修法各位不管場內或場外的朋友看清楚目標非常明確然後呢手段非常的一個齷齪 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
25963.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
25979.783 |
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我不曉得在場國民黨的朋友尤其後面的暫居主席的好朋友們你們到底曉不曉得什麼叫做司法獨立曉不曉得整個司法機關它本身也是一個憲政的一個機關前陣子因為偉大的政治家藍白聯手很大 |
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所以把國外的擴充法案推出來以後你企圖在偵辦當中的案件你也想插一手你企圖把看不起的老百姓你叫到立法院來你也要把他修錄一番在憲法法庭判定違憲以後呢這很明顯就是一種報復啊這很明顯就是一種報復啊 |
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我實在搞不懂王國昌委員﹑或者中國國民黨這麼多的法學素養生活的委員們難道你不知道今天的修法門檻你提高以後大家好好來預測如果說現行的15個你再多增加8個再增加2個 |
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好 謝謝下一位請何欣淳委員發言 |
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26105.134 |
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謝謝副院長終於願意讓我講話了我要先澄清一件事剛剛副院長一直說他手上的那個發言單登記單上面沒有我的名字請去跟議事人員調出原始的我親自簽名的那個版本的登記單上面有我的名字我等著要發言我也期待 |
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我們的副院長是政治學的博士是政治學的教授他應該要知道程序正義的重要性那我們呢程序正義裡面就有一個討論的過程沒有討論就不是民主我相信江副院長非常知道這也是他的法學專業但是我不懂為什麼他要屈服於背後的壓力 |
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在剛剛不應該停止討論應該讓不同黨派的立法委員都要充分的討論展現民主的價值跟精神的時候江副院長的態度卻不是如此屈服於背後的壓力終止了討論沒收了討論 |
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其實副院長本來臺中出了兩位副院長一個是蔡啟昌副院長一個是江啟臣副院長 |
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可惜江啟臣副院長剛剛沒收討論沒有民主的態度我真的覺得讓我們台中人蒙羞我真的覺得江副院長對不起台中人對不起你的法學知識專業對不起你的學生對不起台灣 |
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尤其我們這一次選罷法也沒有討論我不知道江副院長有沒有清楚的了解因為上午不是你主持的但是我知道你一定在看你也一定了解選罷法禁覆二讀沒有實質討論協商也沒有實質協商沒有討論內容所有的程序都是不正義 |
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不符合議事程序．不符合民主程序．我不知道江副院長．做何著想．因為呢．這是不是違背了．你的專業．違背了你的法學素養．那又為什麼．你會跟韓國瑜院長一樣．在現在今天下午． |
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我們的新訴法也一樣沒有討論的過程沒有實質協商的過程也是要這樣子非常粗暴的輾壓式的來三讀通過而江副院長你現在是主席你對得起你的法學專業素養你對得起你的學生你對得起台中你對得起台灣的民主政治嗎 |
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謝謝會議員報告院會現有國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議有異議進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數45人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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重複表決表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數44人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現在針對國民黨黨團提議停止討論進行表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數57人贊成者多數宣告停止討論通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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表決結果﹐在場人數106人﹐贊成人數57人﹐贊成者多數﹐宣告停止討論通過。報告院會本條進行處理時依序進行表決﹐如果其中有任何一案通過﹐即不再處理其他案。請問院會 |
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26623.942 |
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第4條,照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議通過,有無異議?有異議,進行表決。現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決。針對是否採用點名表決,現在進行舉手表決。贊成民進黨黨團提議,請舉手。 |
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表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成人數46人,贊成者少數。民進黨黨團提議不通過。現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決,現在進行重複表決。贊成民進黨黨團提議,請舉手。 |
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26717 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文 |
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重複表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成人數46人,贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。現在進行第4條舉手表決,贊成台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文,請舉手。 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數56人贊成者多數第4條照台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團條文請舉手贊成 |
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從獲表決結果﹐在場人數106人﹐贊成人數56人﹐贊成者多數﹐第4條,照台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文通過。現在進行第95條,請宣讀條文。 |
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委員翁曉琳等16人提案第95條本法修正條文施行日期自公佈日起施行臺灣民眾黨黨團修正動議第95條不予採納國民黨黨團修正動議第95條本法修正條文施行日期自公佈日起施行之 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議第95條．113年12月20日修正之條文．自公佈日期施行．國民黨黨團再修正動議第95條．本法修正條文施行日期．自公佈日施行．宣讀完畢現在依登記順序發言．並截止發言登記．請鍾嘉斌委員發言．時間3分鐘 |
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各位委員,不知道該稱偉大的政治家還是醜陋邪惡的政治家還是愚昧的表決家 |
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請問國民兩黨尤其是國民黨剛剛很開心你們知道你們剛剛通過的第4條條文國民黨的再修正動議跟民眾黨有什麼不一樣嗎哪裡不一樣知道嗎翁小玲的版本 |
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把限額總額改為法定原額但是民眾黨跟國民黨的再修正動議他們提出了一個彷彿以為這樣子這個逃避違憲審查他說大法官啊如果缺額總統必須限期兩個月來補足提名然後呢以為這樣子修改他們接下來的所有的破壞司法權侵犯司法權就不會受到違憲的審查好啦 |
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現在第95條更有意思了民眾黨的版本跟國民黨的版本再修正通有沒有不一樣我告訴你民眾黨比國民黨更未卜先知 |
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我們現在說的憲法訴訟法．在民國47年之前是大法官會議規則．47年司法院大法官會議法．82年改為大法官審理案件法．到了108年改為現行的憲法訴訟法．其中最後一條95條分成兩項．本法至43年後實施． |
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從司法院大法官審理案件法改為憲法訴訟法改為訴訟法停滯之後要三年讓司法院準備但是他的95條的第二項他說其實實行後面的修正他的施行日期由司法院定之啊大家知道了沒有憲法訴訟法的修改之後的施行日期原法是規定由司法院定之為什麼 |
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為什麼因為這部法純純粹粹完完全全都是大法官會議的規則大法官的會議法大法官案件審理法 |
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審理案件法大法官在用現在立法院迫不及待的修改之後還規定什麼自公佈日施行而且還指明台灣民主黨更厲害他說113年12月20日修正這條文他知道今天會修正通過啊你們都可以下去啦 |
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民眾黨已經指明這95條今年一定會通過外面的青鳥們外面的台灣公民們居然立法院還沒有煽動之前的條文我們民眾黨偉大的民眾黨可以微卜宣之知道我們今天修正的條文是中華民國113年12月20日修正通過大家鼓掌好下一位請吳秉瑞委員發言 |
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各位同仁還有媒體的朋友小弟在立法院已經20年了我平常不是很常上來這邊發言但是我今天要拜託本院各個黨派只要你是學法律的摸著良心來看看法律的規定 |
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我在念大學的時候那時候還沒有解嚴是戒嚴時代然後排斥恐怖回憶你壓力很大當時的大法官會議就是現在憲法法庭的前身一個大法官會議當時大法官會議要解釋法律違憲它必須要三分之二決這是他們大法官會議法裡面明文的規定那到了民主解嚴之後民主時代來臨之後法律修改 |
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改成二分之一為什麼要做這個修改因為你在想想看當要解釋法律要人數三分之二通過才能認為法令違憲的時候倒過來講另外三分之一就控制了能不能違憲的關鍵了 |
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也就是說我們今天第一個國民黨跟民眾黨都要開倒車走倒回頭路都要提高這個門檻提高這個比例無論你是10個大法官要8個才能夠宣告違憲還是9個大法官要8個通過之後才能夠解釋解釋他判決他違憲 |
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倒過來講就是被兩個大法官或是被一個大法官救出以否決違憲解釋的這個內容也就是被少數再倒過來控制的多數這樣子會產生一個非常可怕的現象其實我們立法院的人都知道在人類的歷史以來最會侵害人權最會侵害違憲的是行政權 |
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你去看古今中外的歷史侵害被解釋為危險最嚴重最多都是行政機關所以剛剛有同仁在講說我們將來這個憲法法庭對人民的保護會因此而落實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
本席從學生運動﹚ |
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27455.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
好 謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
下一位請張雅琳委員發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
27516.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
所有的同事們﹐我想要花一點時間﹐跟大家介紹追星人現場的Elf、Song、乃蔚藍﹐Hottie、Army﹐太白、聽團人﹐或是J-pop的追星人﹐我想讓你們知道﹐現在外面的群眾﹐已經超過1萬人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
今早大家見識到國民黨排除議籍：強行通過法案的行徑：但這並不是第一次：從國會擴權法案開始：國民黨和民主黨就聯手破壞民主討論的機制：當國會擴權法案被判多數違憲時：他們依然不斷挑戰民主體制的底線： |
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| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
就如同這禮拜一﹐國民黨用強勢原力﹐封鎖通往內政委員會的通道﹐把所有的民進黨立委擋在門外﹐當作反對的聲音並不存在﹐開啟一黨獨裁的一言堂委員會﹐一分鐘通過沒有討論的選罷法﹐讓國會實質戒嚴這就好比公平、公正、公開﹐不存在了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
以後大家就黑箱好了如果我們今天不站出來阻止他們未來他們將會變本加厲肆意剝奪人民的權利快速通過任何我們可能無法想像的黑箱法案摧毀台灣最珍貴的民主自由我們要任由他們宰割嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
我們要讓民主成為一個歷史名詞嗎?他們口口聲聲說著民主但他們的民主非常淺薄他們根本不配講出民主這兩個字這並不只是政治更關乎文化與生活 |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
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國民黨這一個禮拜以來的發言﹐極其貶低追星人﹐輕蔑的嘲諷、侮辱﹐完全無視這個群體的熱情與力量﹐他們從未試圖理解追星文化﹐卻直接將追星人視為敵人﹐持續觸怒這個充滿創意與活力的族群﹐ |
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我們要讓他們知道追星人的力量不容小覷我們曾見證韓國追星人齊唱《Into the New World》的震撼如今輪到我們站上舞台為自由與民主而戰現在追星人的一人卡車已經開到立法院外上面寫著民主必須用力維護追星才能成為日常手燈是我自己買的 |
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為了自由尊心的權利﹐為了IDOL能夠自由來臺灣的舞臺﹐我們的熱情不僅是迷媚的狂熱﹐更是對自由生活的渴望﹐今天﹐讓我們舉起手燈﹐站在立法院前﹐大喊國民黨不倒﹐臺灣不會好!謝謝下一位請吳思瑤委員發言 |
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摧毀憲法藍白好猴急要報復憲法法庭藍白一個一個比趕投胎還急 |
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而黃國昌成為大預言家民眾黨的再修正動議比國民黨的本法施行日期由立法院定之還更為離譜居然可以未普先知把本法的施行日期定為今年的12月20也就是今天 |
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請問黃國昌：你如何有這麼大的能耐：知道今天：能夠在這裡完成法案的二三讀：這不是你的能耐：這是因為一切：都是藍白：說好了：綁好了：這一切：都是你們已經排好的一整套劇本： |
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大家擔任立法委員資歷或多或淺但至少非常清楚的瞭解願績之間如果立法院在審議其他憲法機關的法案必須會嫌該個憲法機關我們現在審議的叫憲法訴訟法事實上它形容就是司法院的職權行使法 |
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憲法訴訟法的第4條：非常清楚的寫道：憲法法庭的審理規則由司法院定之：而前項審理規則就是由大法官一決之：也就是司法院的職權行使必然由司法院自己來定之：立法院縱使要審查也需要會嫌司法院： |
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所以為什麼施行日期過去到現在都有不同的年限的設計就是要讓司法院有充分的準備時間現行的條文95條就是本法要讓司法院有3年的準備期 |
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任何一個立法委員再不認真再不專業也要知道這種你要把手伸到其他的憲法機關必須有諱嫌尊重他作業程序之必要 |
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非常遺憾這一屆的立法院素質史上之差只急著要違憲害怕事件就趕快來摧毀憲法現在的條文就施行日期而言讓我們看到 |
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立法院何等之大．把手伸到司法院裡頭去．大家想想．如果我們的立法院職權行使法．是司法院替我們定的．大家接受嗎．謝謝吳思堯委員的發言．接下來請登記第5位．何新淳委員請發言 |
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謝謝院長咦怎麼換我發言的時候副院長就不見了主席就換人了原來如此那我懂了想必大家也都懂了 |
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這麼剛好喔這麼剛好喔我要發言主席就換人了當然呢我們也知道韓國瑜院長回來主持呢也是理所當然但是呢我要請證告我們韓院長喔院長真的我當了第4屆的立委我第一次碰到不給三讀後的感言發言 |
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我們這麼多任的院長從我知道的王金平院長到後來的蘇嘉全院長、游錫堃院長大家都本著尊重所有立法委員、部分黨派的立委 |
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所有的法案三讀後的感言只要有登記就按照順序給予發言的機會這個是每個立法委員他來自選民對他的一個所託他也是他的職責他必須要 |
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對我們人民交代而且要充分的說明為什麼這個法他有提出修法這個法三讀通過之後他的感言這是一個尊重可是我今天非常震驚竟然 |
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28034.345 |
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不僅僅是選罷法沒有實質討論不給發言的機會沒有實質的協調草野協商不給內容實質的草野協商那就這樣子的咻咻咻三讀通過竟然呢三讀通過的感言也不給登記的委員一一的發言完畢 |
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院長這真的是立法院之詞啊這真的是台灣之詞啊因為呢並沒有尊重不分黨派的立法委員不沒有 |
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沒有好好的看到這是臺灣人民賦予我們所有立法委員的職責院長你踐踏了臺灣人民的所托你踐踏了臺灣人民所選出來的立法委員你踐踏了臺灣的民主制度接著現在我們在審議 |
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宣述法：同樣的也沒有討論：沒有實質的草野協商：也沒有給予充分的發言：每一次都是給個兩三個：還好江副院長因為我的抗議：所以呢在剛剛有多給了幾個：但是呢這個都不是充分的討論沒有 |
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謝謝何新淳委員的發言報告院會現有國民黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議有異議我們進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
28184.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
28198.657 |
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報院會現在報告表決結果出席106位贊成44位贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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28254 |
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國民黨黨團提議停止討論者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
28338.089 |
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28340.771 |
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報告表決結果在場106位贊成,57位贊成者多數。報告院會現有民進黨黨團體重複表決,我們進行重複表決。贊成國民黨黨團體請舉手。 |
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28370.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
公職人員選舉法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
28379.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
28396.52 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案． |
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現在本條進行處理有一案通過及不再處理其他案請問院會第95條照台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文通過有無異議 |
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有異有異我們進行表決現由民進黨團體採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團體請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
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報告表決結果在場委員106位我們贊成者46位贊成者少數報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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報告委員會報告重複表決結果在場委員106位贊成46位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過報告委員會我們現在進行第95條舉手表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文請舉手 |
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報告委員會表決結果在場106位贊成59位贊成者多數第95條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報告委員會現有民黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團條文請舉手 |
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報院會報告重複表決結果在場委員106位贊成 59位贊成者多數第95條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報院會全案經過二讀現由國民黨黨團第一繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議 |
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有異有異我們現在進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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28820.036 |
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報院會報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成44位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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法院會報告重複表決結果,在場106位贊成,45位贊成的少數,民黨黨團提議不通過。法院會現在舉手表決,贊成國民黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀,請舉手。 |
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報告委員會報告表決結果在場為106位贊成59位贊成者多數報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請舉手 |
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報告表決結果,在場為106位贊成,59位贊成的多數。我們以下宣告本案繼續進行三讀,請先讀經過二讀之條文。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
第4條憲法法庭審理規則由司法院定之前項規則由全體大法官一決之大法官應任期屆滿辭職免職或死亡以致人數未達中華民國憲法增修條文第5條第一項所定人數時總統應於2個月內補足提名第95條113年12月20日修正之條文自公佈日起施行宣讀完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
29075.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
報告院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在作以下決議憲法訴訟法第4條及第95條條文修正通過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
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報告院會﹐我們本院現有傅崐萁委員等人﹐針對本案三讀之決議提出復議﹐並請院會隨即處理。報告院會﹐我們現在進行表決。現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決﹐針對是否採用記名表決﹐我們現在進行舉手表決﹐贊成民進黨黨團提議﹐請舉手。 |
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法院會報告表決結果在場106位贊成42位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過法院會現有民進黨黨團提議重復表決我們現在進行重復表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
報告重複表決結果,在場106位,贊成44位,我們贊成者少數,民進黨團體不通過。報告重複表決結果,在場106位,贊成44位,我們贊成者少數,民進黨團體不通過。報告重複表決結果,在場106位,贊成44位,我們贊成者少數,民進黨團體不通過。報告重複表決結果,在場106位,贊成44位,我們贊成者少數,民進黨團體不通過。報告重複表決結果,在場106位,贊成44位,我們贊成者少數,民進黨團體不通過。報告重複表決結果,在場106位,贊成44位,我們贊成44位, |
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法院會報告在場人數106位贊成者43位贊成者少數復議案不通過法院會先由民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成傅坤錫委員復議案者請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
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報告重複表決結果在場委員106位贊成者43位贊成者少數不通過另外補充宣告方才三讀時臺灣民眾黨黨團也提議能夠繼續三讀補充宣告報告我們現在進入本案完成程序後之委員登記發言首先請蔡易瑜委員請發言 |
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委員長那憲法訴訟法有分為幾包那這一包是第4條跟第95條第4條也就是在講他的緣額那 |
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剛剛通過的好像是民眾黨的版本民眾黨的再修正的版本就又不是用現有緣額所以是要用固定的緣額就是我們接下來可能要處理40跟43條的10人那另外一個應該是9還是多少因為都是剛剛才看到我們都最後要開會前才看到你們的再修正動議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
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所以我一直在想院長在禮拜一我們沒有辦法進入內政委員會討論的時候那在你的會議室你跟我們說立法院有委員會中心主義那天我就跟你說你誤解了委員會中心主義委員會中心主義不是在講程序而是在講在開會的時候委員會開會的時候要有實質的討論 |
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結果你來你那天講了這幾個字看起來你很重視這幾個字但是我們今天處理的條文不但沒有經過你主持的草野協商而且這些版本都在今年早出來 |
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今天他做出來然後加一條說大法官有缺額人各位叫總統要快點提名當然總統會提名啊問題你們國民黨你們民眾黨你們未來在大法官審查的時候你們一樣會杯葛他讓憲法法庭沒有辦法開懲嘛這才是你們通過所謂憲法訴訟法你們背後的目的 |
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阿既然被毫無目的在這﹐阿到有一個人這麼聰明才說今天就一定會三度過 |
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好,謝謝蔡易瑜委員的發言接下來請登記第二位沈柏楊委員請發言李柏毅委員請準備 |
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關於第4條跟第95條的這個完成發言問題真的很多我再講一次剛剛有提到這個現有跟法定總額結果這個好不容易剛剛在表決的時候沒有去使用這個算是這個回頭是岸結果在95條的時候又去表決了一個錯誤的版本表決了一個民眾黨的113年今天直接通過的那個大預言家的版本 |
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那你以後每一次修法你都要再重新訂一次這一條這完全不符合現在的立法技術我真的搞不懂為什麼那麼簡單的事情提醒了那麼多次我們不要再講什麼文獻等等之類的就講文字有沒有符合法律的用法那麼簡單的事情藍白也不肯 |
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剛剛選罷法我是因為沒有辦法上來發言不然他選罷法的時候我在內政的時候我也講過一模一樣的話我說那一個最後一條那個未經同意偽造在法律文字寫偽造兩個字就好了因為偽造的定義就是未經同意所以不用寫未經同意我已經提醒過兩次還特別去找藍營的委員跟你們講說你們這邊用字用錯了可不可以修正一下 |
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那麼簡單的事情結果到三讀通過之後都沒有去修正然後竟然連三讀後的感想都不能夠發表以往只是說暫停討論而已停止討論現在是連三讀之後的感想都不能有這完全不是一個民主機制應該做做的事情 |
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謝謝沈博洋委員的發言接下來請李博毅委員請發言 |
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謝謝剛才選罷法韓院長跑去躲了齁剛才選罷法我講的發言我再講一次如果照這個選罷法過了你當初就不會被罷免你還在當高雄市長 |
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我當然替高雄市民慶幸但是我現在為全國全台灣人民感到悲哀立法院在進行選罷法提高罷免門檻以及現在的憲法訴訟法都是用如此粗糙的方式不但在委員會還有在二讀會我們的大會裡面都是用這種粗糙的表決方式甚至沒有經過完整的討論不斷沒收發言停止發言這種方式到底 |
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國民黨跟民眾黨跟大法官有什麼仇?很簡單我來算給我們全台灣人聽就在上個會期國民黨跟民眾黨要做的擴權法案被大法官宣布無效宣布違憲 |
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他們知道如果要釋憲要經過四分之三的人數同意四分之三的人數出席四分之三的人數同意還沒有達到這個門檻但是國民黨跟民眾黨已經過半了 |
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我就可以從憲法訴訟法從第4條還假裝說兩個月內提名如果人數不足兩個月內提名你永遠不同意他永遠人數不足啊 |
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你還是在癱瘓我們的中華民國憲法你還是想要用你現在立法院假裝的人數多數就想要行修憲之實就想要做你為所欲為的這些法律議案我在這邊正式跟國民黨提出這個議案也是無效的 |
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還有下個禮拜二12月24日：大法官同意權才要在這裡行使今天就來表決這個法案是非常粗糙、非常不合理的 |
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謝謝李博毅委員的發言報告委員會現有國民黨黨團提議建於本案已完成三讀已有委員發言建請院會停止後續完成立法程序後之委員發言已登記發言委員書面內容補列入公報記錄請公決案 |
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請委員會有異議有異議我們進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決我們針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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29956.847 |
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29963.594 |
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報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成42位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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報告重複表決結果在場106位贊成42位我們贊成者少數民黨黨團提議不通過現在針對國民黨團提議停止發言進行表決贊成國民黨黨團提議者委員請舉手 |
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報告表決結果,在場委員106位贊成,58位贊成者多數。報告表決結果,在場委員106位贊成,58位贊成者多數。 |
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法院會報告重複表決結果在場委員106位贊成者59位贊成者多數我們做以下宣告停止發言通過書面內容我們補列入公報 |
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本院會討論事項第三案．憲法訴訟法第30條及第43條條文修正草案．本案今．第二會期第13次會議決議．協商後再行處理．報院會．本案因協商已超過一個月．無法達成共識．依立法院職權行使法第71條之一規定．由院會定期處理．因此與本次會議提出討論． |
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我們現在進行廣泛討論依登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先請鍾嘉斌委員發言主席我之所以跟你行禮 |
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不是因為你是院長因為你現在擔任主席有非常非常重要的事情要在這裡討論跟解決居然剛剛山東的感言您不准其他再發言急著要來第30條第43條今天在場的民眾黨偉大的預言家 |
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黃國昌總召他們的再修正版本有30條國民黨在剛剛的第4條支持民眾黨的再修正動議然而 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
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國民黨的第4條當中．放棄的改支持民眾黨再修正動議的．通通在民眾黨的30條裡面．寫在裡面．我相信這一定是．跟上次的擴權案一樣．兩個人前一天秘密討論．第二天合謀推動． |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
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但是大部分國民黨的委員是蒙在鼓裡你們連為什麼第4條要支持民眾黨的再修正動議你們也不清楚你們也不清楚接下來支持他的95條的再修正動議就會成無我們省部長委員說的通過了一個 |
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預言家今天會三讀通過12月20日的版本而且從公告日實施不是原條文的由司法院定資這一切都顯示著 |
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．建列欣喜．迫不及待．以為第4條．拿走了法定總額．大法官就不會進行違憲審查．難道你們以為．把那樣的實質要求．放在30條．就可以瞞過大法官的耳目嗎 |
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更好笑的第30條只有在違憲的時候必須遵照第二項的額數規定其他的憲法法庭的決定不受這個限制一個憲法法庭最重要的任務或者說對國民黨民眾黨的最重要任務就是擔心被宣判違憲 |
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所以如果要大法庭法官宣布那麼違憲：一定要10個人出席：9個人平易通過才可以那如果下個星期的大法官提名全部都被國民黨封殺那麼就永遠不能夠宣布今天通過的法律案違憲 |
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這就是黃國昌總召的如意算盤：而且得到傅崐萁總召的認可接下來我賣個關子我等著看你們怎麼被黃國昌騙了 |
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主席各位在場的美女朋友我相信啊今天大家感到非常的難過但是呢我還是要先恭喜我們韓院長恭喜中國國民黨恭喜台灣民眾黨過去蔣介石在台灣沒有辦法做到的事情你們幫他做到了今天是我們司法權啊 |
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被自殺的一天那兇手是誰呢這在座的中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨沒有一個民主法治的一個國家會去把辛苦所建立出來這樣的一個司法的一個獨立把他當成一個賠償的一個對象我們現在在用的這一部中華民國憲法是民國36年1月1號公佈施行 |
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中國國民黨從來心目中就沒有所謂的憲法大家還記得吧過去的內政部長林洋港他說我們戒嚴喔他給你戒嚴限制你3%的權利而已過去蔣介石時代啊他還會弄一些條款啊裝一下煞有其事的說在實行法治我們去看看 |
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國民黨頒布了這部憲法以後啊才一年的時間而已他就不裝了他就給你公告了一個動員刊亂司機臨時條款把整個憲法給架空了現在又來了 現在又來了 |
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我們經過我們本來台灣的民眾認為台灣民主政治走到現在可以安心的走向政黨政治所以這次給了中國國民黨多了那麼一席給了台灣民眾黨也八席想說他們經過民主的一個洗禮還有法治的一個責服 |
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應該不跟他揭曉人民利益啊可是今天呢讓我們的整個司法權變成一個政治鬥爭甚至於成為被報復的一個對象我在這邊敬告各位啊我大膽的預測各位我們立法院的同事你把它聽住今天的一個修改很快台灣人民就會把你給改回來 |
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全世界沒有任何這樣的一個法制啊荒唐啊真的是荒唐啊稍微過了一點多數以後為所欲為啊為所欲為啊憲法國家的根本大法 |
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謝謝莊銳雄委員的發言接下來請第三位蔡易瑜委員請發言院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
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我再來你委員會中心主義我們這個30條跟43條它是淨富二獨所以它沒有在委員會討論然後草野協商沒有協商然後現在國民黨有個版本那民眾黨在剛剛有好幾款不同的版本那國民黨也有再修正的版本 |
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所以這樣加起來差不多每個人手上有六、七個版本我主要不知道啊我們這個廣泛討論我們要用對一個版本來討論 |
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這個有辦法在現在透過這個三分鐘然後來分析每一個版本有什麼不一樣然後有什麼沒有注意到的有什麼應該文字要稍作修正因為我還有看到一個版本說如果合憲的話是幾分之幾是一半還是多少違憲的話是三分之二 |
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啊我一直在想一個問題啊大法官、憲法法庭就只有合憲跟違憲這兩個答案啊啊怎麼又有三分之二又有二分之一啊這是怎麼樣我昨天也撒謊所以院長我們到底要用哪一個版本來討論現在這樣就沒辦法討論 |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
不然就討論你給他斷罪我講完反正就沒人了沒人沒辦法啊就斷了標判啊標判的我們就要看斷了國民黨要支持民進黨的走去啊是民眾黨要支持國民黨的走去啊我們就知道說喔!原來是這個版本謎題揭曉謎題揭曉就要我們來研究說喔!原來現在通過的是這個版本有夠好笑的啦學校有這種回憶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
這委員會都沒信捏啊朝野協商咱們不要實質討論過捏啊現在咱們手頭拿到的幾十張版本啊不知道對一條是等著有可能會通過的我們現在沒辦法用我們都沒找黃國昌要送娘我們就要用拔筊齁拔這個啊可能用這個來來施工看看啊等著我如果說不定我們就白說的說得越說越生氣我不要說了啦好 院長謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
國家只有一部憲法憲法沒有顏色千萬不要不是藍色你就說它是綠色 |
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也千萬不要不合倡議．不合黃國昌的意．你就把別人打成了側議藍白二修憲法訴訟法．這一個條文進入的是30條我國有15位大法官現行是三分之二參與評議．過半數即為釋憲結果的成立我們來看看美國最高法院大法官只有9位 |
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他們一樣是三分之二參與評議：過半數二分之一同意在美國沒有人說這樣會危及憲政這樣會被少數主導我們看看德國聯邦憲法大法官有16位但是德國的聯邦憲法 |
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30892.739 |
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30913.949 |
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的法院他們分成兩庭：專業權屬有所不同：換言之：一庭只有八位大法官：八位大法官當中一樣跟台灣的門檻：三分之二參與評議：二分之一同意即為成立：在德國也沒有人說這會被政黨控制 |
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30938.89 |
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提案的翁曉琳委員甚至又一次的語不驚人死不休他說德國的聯邦憲法法院在納粹的時代也做出了很多違憲的判決各位公民朋友立法委員沒有知識也要看電視沒有看電視也要上夜視 |
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30967.621 |
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德國的聯邦憲法法院是1951年納粹瓦解之後才成立王小林居然可以這樣的指鹿為馬你是留學德國的嗎我們收回這個條文不管是要修成更高的門檻或是現在看到送出來的黑箱黑箱版本五分之三通過才算成立這都不重要了 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
30968.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
30983.571 |
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因為你們的黑箱版本沒有經過委員會﹐沒有經過朝野協商的充分對話﹐這樣子草率通過的憲法訴訟法﹐它注定會被判為違憲。憲法法庭是司法權﹐ |
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31012.819 |
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司法權他們的審理規則由大法官決定﹐立委再大﹐也不可以踐踏司法權利﹐我們要再次呼籲﹐30條是重中之重﹐是惡中之惡﹐請所有的國人看看稍後﹐誰投下了贊成票﹐ |
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31031.304 |
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謝謝吳斯堯委員的發言報告院會現由國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議有異議有異議我們要進行表決現由民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決我們針對是否採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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31091.633 |
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31106.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
報告委員會報告表決結果在場106位贊成45位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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31154.977 |
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31156.258 |
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報告重複表決結果,在場委員106位,贊成者46位,贊成者少數,民進黨團體不通過。報告現在針對國民黨黨團體停止討論,進行表決。贊成國民黨黨團體請舉手。 |
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31236.311 |
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31243.854 |
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法院會報告表決結果在場委員108位贊成者58位贊成者多數法院會現有民黨黨團提議重複表決我們進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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31314.354 |
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委員會報告重複表決結果﹐在場106位贊成﹐59位贊成者多數﹐我們作為以下宣告﹐停止討論﹐通過報言會現有臺灣民眾黨團及國民黨團﹐分別針對第二會期第14會議之會議時間﹐擬請延長至晚上12點再行休息請問委員會有無異議﹐ |
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31333.539 |
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有異議我們進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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31354.286 |
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法定人數不足 |
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31400.814 |
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報告委員會報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成45位贊成者少數報告委員會現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團體者請舉手 |
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31500.046 |
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本院會報告重複表決結果在場106位贊成42位贊成者少數民黨黨團提議不通過本院會我們現在進行延長開會提議贊成台灣民眾黨團及國民黨團提議者請舉手 |
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31565.434 |
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報院會報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成58位贊成者多數報院會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們進行重複表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團及國民黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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31650.741 |
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31674.259 |
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報告重複表決結果在場委員106位贊成59位贊成者多數我們作為以下宣告本案照台灣民眾黨團及國民黨團提議通過本日之會議時間延長至晚上12點再行休息現在我們進行逐條討論請宣讀第30條條文 |
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31678.962 |
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31700.36 |
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委員翁曉琳等23人提案第30條．判決除本法比有規定外．應經大法官現有總額三分之二以上參與評議．大法官現有總額三分之二以上同意。臺灣民眾黨黨團修憲動議第30條．判決除本法比有規定外．應經大法官現有總額三分之二以上參與評議． |
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31721.713 |
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大法官現有總額三分之二以上同意前項參與評議之大法官人數不得低於10人作成違憲之宣告時﹐同意違憲宣告之大法官人數不得低於9人參與之人數未達前項規定﹐無法進行評議時﹐得經大法官現有總額過半數同意﹐為不受理之裁定 |
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31746.656 |
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前二項參與人數與同意人數之規定．與憲法法庭1第43條為暫時處分之裁定．1第75條宣告彈劾成立．1第80條宣告政黨解散時施用之．本法第12條迴避之大法官人數超過7人以上時．未迴避之大法官應全體參與評議．經四分之三同意時的作成判決或裁定． |
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31747.196 |
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31768.352 |
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第二項之規定不實用之前項未迴避之大法官人數低於7人時不得審理案件國民黨黨團修正動議第30條判決除本法別有規定外應經大法官現有總額三分之二以上參與評議經大法官現有總額三分之二以上同意 |
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31770.92 |
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31790.78 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議第30條判決除本法別有規定外﹐應經大法官現有總額三分之二以上參與評議﹐大法官現有總額過半數同意﹐前項參與評議之大法官人數不得低於10人﹐作審違憲之宣告時﹐同意違憲宣告之大法官人數不得低於9人﹐ |
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31791.661 |
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31808.062 |
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參與人數未達前項規定﹐無法進行評議時﹐得經大法官現有總額過半數同意﹐為不受理之裁定。前二項參與人數與同意人數之規定﹐於憲法法庭1第43條﹐為暫時處分之裁定﹐1第75條宣告彈劾成立﹐ |
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31829.61 |
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依第80條宣告政黨解散時適用之：本法第12條：迴避之大法官人數超過7人以上時：未迴避之大法官應全體參與評議：經四分之三同意時的作成判決或裁定：第二項之規定不適用之：前項未迴避之大法官人數低於7人時：不得審理案件 |
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31855.838 |
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．國民黨黨團再修正動議第30條．判決除本法別有規定外．應經大法官現有總額三分之二．以上參與評議．大法官現有總額五分之三．以上同意宣讀完畢現在我們依登記順序發言．並截止發言登記首先我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言 |
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31865.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
31876.791 |
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我再次跟主席敬禮我實在不知道該形容我的心情如何我們今天表決逐條討論前到目前逐條討論前終於有宣讀了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
31904.48 |
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修正動議再修正動議提案版本終於有宣讀了謝謝我們的參與委員因為你剛剛不知道我們在討論什麼所以主席有注意到了開始宣讀了還發下一個滿滿是叉叉的版本好啦基於一些些的同情請見我幫我們國民黨的同僚介紹一下待會呢可能你們要去通過的民眾黨的再修正動議 |
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31934.156 |
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這個再修正動議怎麼寫呢翁小林的版本很簡單判決三分之二出席三分之二同意就這樣但是我們的再修正動議跑出了好幾個項五、六個項判決他說三分之二、二分之一但是如果是涉及到違憲就要怎麼樣強定為10人跟9人10人差別評以9人才能宣告違憲 |
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31953.022 |
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大家知道判決是不是就有兩種啊違憲跟不違憲那請問什麼時候人民會去訴求憲法法庭來保障他的合憲權利呢他當然認為是現行的法律違憲侵犯他的保障的人權嘛 |
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31976.105 |
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結果為了主張法律違憲：他找到了憲法法庭：結果憲法法庭說：要有10個大法官出席：9個認同才能宣告違憲：但是呢：如果不宣告違憲呢：欸：就是二分之一：三分之二：二分之一：欸：奇怪了為什麼今天我們立法院：跟人民有仇啊： |
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| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
31998.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
選辦法跟人民有仇要剝奪人民的罷免權限制人民的罷免權我們的國昌版的再修正動議要讓人民肅請法律違憲保障他們的人民權利變得遙不可及反之如果做成了合憲的判決人民最後的救濟都沒有了 |
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32000 |
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32028.143 |
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所以說啊國民黨的同僚你們好好看一看啊主席已經請人家唸給你們聽了啊你們是不是繼續支持國眾版不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是不是 |
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32056.806 |
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是不是我們要尋求人民權利最大保障階級也被剝奪了更可笑的呢他的其他的文書規定呢欸只有違憲最困難為什麼因為國民黨跟民眾黨最怕他們的修法被道法官宣布違憲才定了這種前後矛盾的條文啊謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言接下來請沈伯陽委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
32078.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
32100.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
我今天上來那麼多次我第一次拿資料上來因為實在太亂七八糟了從剛剛講的每一個錯誤累積到現在你已經完全不知道該怎麼說這個版本了更不要講說我們限速法因為比如說國民黨的版本有電線有總和但是剛剛在前面表決到的時候已經把線有總和拿掉了 |
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32100.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
32126.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
那這個前後又連動的他為什麼不在一起討論呢?就是因為從頭到尾每一個程序都跳過跳過跳過跳過根本沒有辦法好好合在一起討論結果變到現在要二讀的階段然後我們才會說欸阿你剛剛通過的那個第4條跟你現在如果你要通過國民黨版本的30條欸沒有辦法合在一起欸那這樣你到底該怎麼辦? |
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| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
32157.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
所以這種粗糙的立法技術我從剛剛講到現在更不要講說嘉賓委員剛剛提到的最嚴重的問題人民今天來要來申請憲法法庭的裁判他是要希望能夠違憲結果你違憲你要九成啊你的違憲的門檻高成這個樣子你的合憲的門檻那麼低那到最後都合憲就好啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
那你是實實在侵奪人民的權利耶我們今天不是在討論本來你們想要通過的惡法到底能不能夠通過憲法法庭的裁判而是你連一般人民一年那麼多件的憲法訴訟的權利你都要剝奪 |
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| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
32202.202 |
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我還是要再說一次等一下國民黨到底要投哪一個版本你的稅有總額現在定義不見了那你要投民眾黨的版本那你知道民眾黨這個版本跟剛剛95條一樣是在害你嗎剛剛那個113年直接的規定根本就不符合我們現在的立法例它已經害你那麼多次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
32203.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
32217.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
在國會亂選的時候每一個調查委員會說要申期末報告突然一個條文跳出來說要申期中報告而期中報告哪來的你們也不知道全部都舉手特別還上來告訴你們說這個矛盾了你們也不聽 |
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| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
32235.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
以下有告知義務﹚以下沒有告知義務﹚以下主席同意﹚以下主席不用同意千瘡百孔的法律﹚矛盾的法律﹚你們都給他通過更重要的事情是﹚始作俑者的你們﹚到現在還沒有要修正的意思 |
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| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
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沒有要修正的意思然後一直開調查委員會那現在如果這一個條文又一樣出現了矛盾那怎麼辦還有剛剛選罷法的在地方上多選區的時候該怎麼辦在委員會完全沒有討論欸這個事情要怎麼解決不知道欸我就讓他矛盾下去欸這個國家的法治到底要怎麼維持啊拜託不要再做這種事情了好不好謝謝 |
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好,謝謝沈博洋委員的發言接下來請吳秉瑞委員請發言 |
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各位同仁還有媒體的記者女士先生剛剛很多的我們的同仁都有講到這樣子的修法光程序上面就非常的離譜沒有聽到過去我剛剛以為說限數法前面已經啊不是那兩條都通過了 |
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結果現在另外又一包啊另外又一包那這兩包的條文又本身沒有完全合字那如果兩包都通過之後那要如何去整合呢這個就是在委員會非常粗糙也沒有好好討論 |
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然後也沒有去進行最後到院會要二讀之前的政黨協商我為什麼會一直在強調這個東西呢因為你委員會如果有好好討論的話你所有的版本都要讓適用法律的這個司法院也就是大法官的憲法法庭能夠來表達他的意見他認為這樣可行不可行合理不合理我們今天立法院立一個法 |
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從委員會開始到今天因為我要二讀才突然遞出來的這個臨時的這個修正版本從頭到尾都沒有讓司法院也沒有讓大法官會議來編沒有讓憲法法庭表達他的意見表達他這個什麼適用有沒有什麼困難、憾格之處 |
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再來還是再次強調剛剛聽到的版本匪夷所思十個大法官參與評議九個通過才能任何違憲也就是說只要有兩個大法官他就有否決權 |
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我一再強調在人類的憲政歷史上做會侵害人民權益的其實是行政機關所以以前憲法法庭的設置大法國會議的設置要做違憲的解釋其實他是要摸住那一杯 |
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狂奔的馬就是所謂行政權這麼強大的權力的一個馬鞍馬勒隨時可以跟他煞車結果你現在用這樣子的反向十分之久才能夠宣告違憲倒過來講行政權如果掌握兩個兩位認為不違憲的大法官你的憲法就不你的這個憲法法庭就不可能宣告違憲 |
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那這樣子人民利用大法官的這個釋憲權要來保證他的權益就會落空大家記得嗎就幾天前兩個禮拜前為了繼承權如何計算的稅金論題大法官還宣告這個違憲應該要請 |
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多久之內要提出修正案如果照你們今天這種版本將來這種救濟的難度之高先不要講說是不是關於政治關於人命的權益就被剝奪了立法程序以及實質內容都這麼不合理 |
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謝謝吳秉瑞委員的發言官院會現有國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議要採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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官員會報告表決結果在場106位贊成43位贊成者少數民進黨黨團體不通過現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團體者請舉手 |
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會報告重複表決結果在場委員106位我們贊成41位贊成則少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現在針對國民黨團提議停止討論進行表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告表決結果,在場委員106位,贊成者58位,贊成者多數。報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議,重複表決。我們進行重複表決。贊成國民黨黨團提議,請舉手。 |
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報告重複表決結果﹐在場為106位贊成﹐58位贊成者多數﹐我們做以下宣告﹐停止討論通過本院會現在我們本案現在條文進行處理時﹐依序進行表決﹐如果其中有任何一案通過﹐我們即不再處理其他案請問院會第30條照臺灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過﹐有無異議﹐ |
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有異我們進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成43位贊成者少數民進黨團體不通過現有民進黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨團體請舉手 |
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報院會報告表決結果在場106位贊成43位贊成者少數我們民進黨黨團提議不通過現在我們進行第30條舉手表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文請舉手 |
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報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多數報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成者、58位贊成者多 |
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報告委員會報告重複表決結果在場106位贊成57位贊成者多數第30條照台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文通過報告委員會現在我們進行第43條請宣讀條文 |
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委員翁曉琳等23人提案第43條申請案件細數中憲法法庭為避免憲法所保障的權利或公益遭受難以回復之重大損害且有急迫必要性而無其他手段可資防免時得依申請或依職權就案件相關之正義、法規範之適用或原因案件裁判之執行等事項為暫時處分之裁定憲法法庭為前項裁定前 |
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﹐得命當事人或關係人﹐陳述意見或為必要之調查﹐暫時處分之裁定﹐應經大法官現有總額三分之二以上參與評議﹐大法官現有總額三分之二以上同意﹐並應附具理由﹐暫時處分有下列前行之一者施其效力﹐一、申請案件業經裁判﹐二、裁定後已逾6個月﹐三、應情勢變或其他特殊原因﹐經憲法法庭依前項之平決程序裁定撤銷。 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團修正動議第43條不予採納 |
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國民黨黨團修正動議第43條申請案件系屬中﹐憲法法庭為避免憲法所保障之權利或公益﹐遭受難以回復之重大損害﹐且有急迫必要性﹐而無其他手段可資防免時﹐得依申請或依職權﹐就案件相關之爭議﹐法規範之適用﹐或原因案件裁判之執行等事項﹐為暫時處分之裁定。憲法法庭為前項裁定前﹐ |
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得命當事人或關係人陳述意見或為必要之調查：暫時處分之裁定：因經大法官現有總額三分之二以上參與評議：經大法官現有總額三分之二以上同意：並應付據理由：暫時處分有下列執行之意者施其效力：一、申請案件業經裁判：二、裁定後已逾6個月：三、因情勢變更或其他特殊原因：經憲法法庭意見上之憑決程序裁定撤銷 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第43條不予修正 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第43條申請案件系屬中﹐憲法法庭為避免憲法所保障之權利或公益﹐遭受難以回復之重大損害且有極破必要性﹐而無其他手段可資防免時﹐得依申請或依職權就案件相關之爭議﹐法規範之適用﹐或原因案件裁判之執行等事項﹐為暫時處分之裁定。憲法法庭為前項裁定前﹐ |
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﹐得命當事人或關係人﹐陳述意見或為必要時調查﹐暫時處分之裁定﹐應經大法官信由總額三分之二以上參與評議﹐大法官信由總額五分之三以上同意﹐並應附具理由﹐暫時處分有下列情形之一者施其效力﹐一、申請案件業經裁判﹐二、裁定後已於6個月﹐三、因情勢變更或其他特殊原因﹐經憲法法庭依前項之評決程序裁定撤銷。宣讀完畢 |
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法院會現在依登記順序發言並截止登記首先我們請沈博洋委員發言 |
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43條的矛盾我剛剛已經講過了所以我覺得真的不用再討論這個文盲立法了因為我覺得這真的是對牛彈琴不但文字該修正的不修正委員會也不討論然後就跳過以前上個會期還會做協商現在憲法訴訟法跟等一下要討論的裁判法協商是還沒有結束的協商還沒有結束今天就可以排了然後今天就可以審了 |
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所以基本上我們這個要討論的空間完全是沒有嘛所以我只好就一直在這邊然後講我對這個法條的看法阿最可怕的就是現在連三讀以後的感言都不能說了齁所以像這種文盲立法對牛彈琴的這種方式齁我覺得真的是齁是我們台灣的法治的悲哀啦 |
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但我要再講一次齁我這個就不是講給各位這一個同事聽了我是講給外面的群眾聽的為什麼憲法訴訟法它會那麼的重要大家知道2019年2019年反送中運動為什麼香港那麼多人上街頭 |
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理由很簡單啊因為當時他們就只修了一個逃犯條例的其中一個地方而已聽起來好像是一個很微小的修法但為什麼那麼多人站出來就是因為就那一個條款破壞了香港的司法獨立我們今天也是面臨到一模一樣的問題 |
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我們的司法的獨立性我們的最高的裁判就是我們的憲法法庭當你把憲法法庭癱瘓讓憲法法庭沒有辦法正常運作這就是司法獨立侵害的開始甚至不是開始幾乎都已經要結束了 |
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這就是為什麼人民今天要站出來的原因香港站出來了他們的站出來也非常的及時但到最後他們是來不及的看看香港現在的樣子就是一個司法獨立的案子而已那麼多人站出來他遇到的是什麼遇到的是武警的攻擊遇到的是大量的各自的外泄之後被逮捕 |
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在台灣呢我們就只是要討論一個憲法訴訟法而已發言的機會也沒有然後我們想要用我們的方式讓協商可以繼續進行結果呢反對黨的立委是做什麼事情就是把我們抬走而已啊不讓我們講話還把我們抬走你們的行徑跟武警有什麼兩樣你們的行徑跟解放軍有什麼兩樣 |
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現在我們面臨的是一個危急存亡之秋你們根本就沒有好好看條文不然你們馬上就可以知道這些條文有什麼問題這些條文內部有什麼錯誤這種文盲立法也就算了你們全部就跟著傅坤祺跟黃國昌走會把台灣帶到什麼樣的境界你們完全不知道如果再這樣子下去的話我認為我們一定要再採取更激烈的手段謝謝 |
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好 我們謝謝沈博洋委員發言接下來請莊瑞雄委員請發言主席 各位美麗朋友我們場外的所有的國人同胞今天真的是個悲劇啊悲劇啊 |
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中國國民黨的好朋友還有民眾黨的好朋友大家都認識你摸著你自己的良心看看你真的知道你在審什麼樣的一個法律嗎為什麼說它是一個悲劇中國國民黨到台灣戒嚴了38年中國國民黨到台灣動員勘論時期臨時條款你們又是43年這個時間裡面是重複的 |
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那這段期間做了些什麼事把整個憲法給凍結了誰從過去的歷史他最怕憲法中國國民黨台灣民眾黨這幾位朋友在現場還有我們一場這麼多的好朋友你想想看今天這個法律一通過的話我相信法界的朋友笑死立法院了在我們台灣我現審查專屬在憲法法庭 |
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過去中國國民黨在執政的時候一年10個案件好不容易我們有一個憲法法庭了你說兩年51個案件一年了不起兩個案件人民最後的一個救濟的一個手段我們再把它拉得這麼高老百姓是自己有事有效老百姓是自己有案事有效 |
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我們每一次看到憲法法庭憲判之出來以後你可以發現到就是說法院或者說立法院所設計的立出來的法律違背法律保留違背平等原則比例原則或者說萬一立法院我們施律不周過度的空白授權憲法法庭宣告你違憲這是對人民是一件好事耶 |
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人民最後的一個救濟手段中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨你們把他設置這麼高的一個門檻要把他給閹割掉到底是多麼的痛恨我們的人民最後的一個救濟的一個手段所以我覺得非常可惜啊非常可惜啊你們今天對司法機關對憲法法庭這樣的一個報復 |
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我跟各位講啊就誠如我剛上來講的我大膽跟你預測啊不出十年啊也許更短的時間啊這部法令一定會修改回來這部法律你聽著中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨的朋友台灣人民一定會把你給改回來為什麼因為你閹割了民眾最後憲法法庭救濟的一個管道非常 |
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主席、各位同仁 |
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憲法法庭審議的申請案．98%是人民申請的釋憲案．如果我們過當的．把憲法法庭的議決門檻．甚至現在處理的．是暫時處分的議決門檻．無上限的提高．那麼傷害的是人民的權利． |
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如果把這樣的二修通過了跟大家報告台灣諸如同性婚姻這樣子的進步性的大法官解釋將沒有辦法存在 |
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台灣之所以可以成為亞洲第一個性別平權同婚獲得合法保障的國家是因為憲法法庭的大法官捍衛了人權做出了大法官的解釋而台灣能夠享有這樣的人權保障 |
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今天藍白這種報復式的修法．就是一種違憲的慣犯．是憲怕輸不起．乾脆就不合理的提高憲法法庭．不管是最終的議決．或者是正式處分．都要三分之二加三分之二． |
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如果這樣﹐今天我們在處理的三大重要性的惡法﹐沒收人民權利的選罷法﹐為什麼立法院不是三分之二才能通過呢?如果要求大法官凡是要三分之二才能做出憲法的解釋﹐為什麼現在處理的憲法訴訟法﹐立法委員不需要三分之二才能夠算數呢? |
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稍後要處理的裁劃法：商級中央的財政：大筆一砍6612億不見了：拿給國民黨去地方綁裝了這麼重要的法案立法院為什麼不是三分之二才能夠讓它算數才讓它成為合理修法的門檻呢 |
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掛別人鬍子之前．立法委員從來沒有想想自己在幹什麼壞勾當．這跟上個會期的國會擴權一模一樣．完全對自己的權力濫權擴權．而不給予自己權力的自治． |
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暫時處分是針對任何的違憲法案造成人民或國家難以回復的權益的時候必須作出的暫時處分如果現在43條也把他提高了門檻那就是違憲違憲違憲 |
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謝謝吳思堯委員的發言報告院會現有國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議有異議我們進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
33955.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
法院會報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成43位贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團體者請舉手 |
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法院會報告表決結果在場106位贊成43位贊成者少數民黨黨團提議不通過法院會現在我們針對國民黨團提議停止討論進行表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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法院會報告表決結果在場106位贊成者58位贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
報院會報告重複表決結果在場106位贊成58位贊成者多數我們宣告停止討論通過請問院會第43條照台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議維持現行條文不予修正通過有異議沒有異議有異議我們要進行表決 |
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現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決。針對是否採用點名表決,我們現在進行舉手表決。贊成民進黨黨團提議,請舉手。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
本院會報告表決結果在場委員106位贊成45位贊成則少數不通過現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
報告重複表決結果,在場106位委員,贊成46位,贊成者少數,民進黨團體不通過。現在我們進行第43條舉手表決,贊成台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議者,請舉手。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
法院會報告表決結果在場106位贊成、58位贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成臺灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議請舉手贊成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
報告重複表決結果在場106人贊成58人贊成者多數第43條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議通過維持現行條文不予修正報告院會全案已經經過二讀現有國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
有異議我們進行表決現有民進黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
會報告表決結果在場為106位贊成者46位贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團踢重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團踢者請舉手 |
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法院會報告重複表決結果在場106位贊成46位贊成者少數我們民眾黨團提議不通過我們現在舉手表決贊成國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團提議本案繼續進行三讀請舉手贊成 |
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好,報告委員會報告在場委員106位贊成57位贊成者多數我們現在有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請舉手贊成 |
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報告表決結果,在場106位贊成,58位贊成者多數我們作以下宣告本案繼續進行三讀,請宣讀經過二讀之條文 |
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第30條 判決除本法別有規定外﹐應經大法官現有總額三分之二以上參與評議﹐大法官現有總額過半數同意﹐前項參與評議之大法官人數﹐不得低於10人﹐作成違憲之宣告時﹐同意違憲宣告之大法官人數﹐不得低於9人﹐參與人數未達前項規定﹐無法進行評議時﹐得經大法官現有總額過半數同意﹐為不受理製裁定。 |
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前二項參與人數與同意人數之規定﹐與憲法法庭1第43條為暫時處分之裁定﹐1第75條宣告彈劾成立﹐1第80條宣告政黨解散時適用之﹐依本法第12條迴避之大法官人數﹐超過7人以上時﹐未迴避之大法官應全體參與評議﹐ |
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| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
經4分之3同意．使得作成判決或裁定．第二項之規定不適用之．前項未迴避之．大法官人數低於7人時．不得審理案件宣讀完畢三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們決議憲法訴訟法第30條條文修正通過 |
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本案完成立法程序後,請有委員登記發言。第一位,並截止登記,請李坤澄委員請發言。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
這個限訴法三讀通過其實沒有什麼感言因為這是一部亂七八糟拼奏起來的限訴法剛剛陳如文我們許多的這個委員先進都已經說過了但是我要提的就是說這個限訴法為什麼不管是民眾黨或是國民黨的提案人都不敢來做提案說明呢為什麼都不敢勒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
然後呢在我們要表決之前這個議事人員才發給我們這麼多的討論案、修正案、再修正案有什麼意義呢?等一下要給我們的財務法也是一樣啊這麼重要的法案當作是國民黨跟民眾黨的最高機密 |
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在投票之前才發到我們的手中提案人也沒有一個人敢出來說明你們的法案到底是什麼拼湊出來的最好笑是剛才已經說過了 |
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人民要釋憲就是認為說憲法上面規定的或者說這個法案規定的這個權利這個法條侵犯到他的權利了他要申請去釋憲結果發現說要去釋憲非常非常的困難你等於是扼殺了人民的釋憲的權利 |
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| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
那國民黨心態修這個限訴法心態是這樣子他說因為我上個會期國會擴權法案都被這個憲法法庭宣告大部分都是違憲所以現在就先把這個大法官不管是人選把他封殺或是說讓他宣告違憲變得非常困難好像是在針對司法權好像是說我就是用立法權來針對你司法權其實錯了 |
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司法權不是特別要來針對你立法權司法權它是有針對行政權你現在行政權也沒有這個約束力啦那請問一下現在是誰是執政黨現在民進黨是執政黨所以以後如果民進黨 |
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| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
謝謝李坤辰委員發言接下來請王逸川委員請發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
好,各位這個在場外的朋友們,剛剛這憲法訴訟法通過啊,因為也不知道要通過哪一個版本,在座我看這裡面比較靈活,科技也不知道要通過哪一個版本啊,啊不知道啊,起來說,剛剛通過哪一個版本,數字多,現在起來說,我在說你們點點啊,議長,議長我在說,市長可以講,市長可以講, |
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| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
時間暫停請尊重發言委員的權益請尊重發言委員的權益時間繼續我要講啦沒關係啦沒關係啦這就阿拔李煥英的議定就是這樣啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
同意權之行使事項：同意權之行使事項：同意權之行使事項：同意權之行使事項：同意權之行使事項： |
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| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
我們現在很多人都在想要生樂透但這個工作人員領取一個版本但這個韓國的領工依照民眾黨的版本我們要趕快向政府領取一個版本領養過後,在地的職員都站在上面,這才是必須的出道沒東西,還要領取一個他也不知道 |
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| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
謝謝王逸川委員的發言接下來請 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
下一位郭鈺晴委員請發言再次拜託各位委員請保持安靜尊重發言委員的權益再次拜託大家請郭委員請主席各位同仁以及目前還在場外我們的所有的台灣公民朋友大家好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
憲法法庭是保障憲法的核心而憲法法庭跟大法官的目的其實就是在服務我們的人民事件案有高達96.69%是跟人民的權益請願有關而不受到所謂的違憲行為的一個傷害 |
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| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
我以今年的一些所謂的憲判制來做舉例第6號的案件消防警消的人員對於男性跟女性他們的身高的標準以憲法法庭排除10%的男性卻排除了55%的女性的身高後來被宣判是違憲這是跟男女平權相關 |
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| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
二、在教育文化委員會：第7案例：代理教師執前的年資提續案：也被宣判為違憲：也就是說合格的教師證：他代理教師不會因為他轉換學校：就要重新計算他的年資： |
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35234.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
所有都在在的顯示我們人民自救最後的一個最大的防線跟後盾就是訴諸於憲法法庭而現在在野黨想要把訴憲法憲訴法修成提高門檻 |
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把原本的所謂的憲有總額：變成所謂的法定總額：白話一點講：就是讓你成不了會：開不了憲法法庭：剝奪人民自救的一個權利：為什麼他們會這麼幹呢：因為：上個會期：他們的擴權：被憲法法庭：90%以上都宣告就是違憲：他們想要擴權的這些亂七八糟的法案：被宣告違憲： |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
35264.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
35266.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
謝謝郭育秦委員的發言接下來請范雲委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
35300.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
35301.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
院長怎麼回事? |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
35303.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
35331.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
我想在台灣民主化之後我們的大法官釋憲還有現在的憲法法庭曾經是我們台灣民主的驕傲因為無論是誰執政他在很多的案件上都呈現超越黨派成為民主的最後一道防線就像剛剛我們承認法官的吳秉瑞講的其實他非常重要的是他有機會限縮行政的權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
35332.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
35335.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
我自己過去在NGO努力的時候我也看到我們的婦女團體我們的環保團體我們的勞工團體怎麼樣努力用視線的方式在有些時候雖然不夠滿意可是有些時候也因此推動了歷史的進程 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
35350.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
剛剛我的同事郭育晴委員：他講到代理教師案：就是民進黨執政的時候：他明確的規範行政院：特別是我們的教育部必須要讓代理教師的勞動權益能夠得到保障在1996年當時的民法在那之前的民法1017條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
35371.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
35396.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
女人婚後的財產明下只有是婚前繼承的才是屬於自己只要是婚後明下的財產都歸丈夫所有就是因為兩位離婚的女人站出來示現我們能夠有410號的解釋讓民法1017號得以修憲女人終於在婚後得到獨立的財產權 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
35398.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
35424.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
1996年那是國民黨執政所以你看到事實上我們的市縣我們的大法官我們的憲法法庭是不論誰執政他都有機會限縮行政權所以我認為今天藍白就像剛剛所說的因為輸不起圖利藍白把政黨的利益放在國家人民的利益之上我想你們摧毀了我們民主最後一套防線你們會為 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
35430.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
35430.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
主席 各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
35459.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
35477.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
恭喜國民黨 賀喜民眾黨在你們的聯手之下 憲訴法被表決碾壓了從今以後 你們就可以無法無天 為非作歹再怎麼違憲的修法也不怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
35478.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
35503.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
今天憲法訴訟法分兩包第一包第4條跟95條委員會只審過一次我在委員會審查的時候就教於提案的委員翁曉琳你要提第4條第3項的修正請問你知不知道第4條的第一項跟第二項在講什麼第一項第二項在講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
35504.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
35528.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
大法官的審理規則大法官會議的審理規則憲法法庭的審理規則由司法院定之而上該規則由大法官議決我在跟翁曉琳就教於提案委員她提了第4條的第3項但是她竟然打不出來第一項、第二項在做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
35529.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
35546.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
他竟然不知道憲法法庭的審理規則全文是74條應當由司法院自己來議決而不是立法院可以把手伸到司法權裡頭這就是我們在審查過程荒腔走板 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
35547.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
35567.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
第二包直接淨附二讀．就是剛剛的30條跟43條．完全提高了憲法法庭．不論是最終的憲法解釋．或是暫時處分的一決門檻．這形同於史上最高．最難的憲法解釋的門檻．就如同上一案．我們會為 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
35569.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
35597.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
罷免設下史上最難最高的門檻讓罷免走入歷史未來讓大法官的事件解釋很可能也走入歷史非常遺憾謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言報告委員會現在立法程序後發言所有的委員均已經發言完畢我們現在有立法委員傅昆吉等人針對討論事項第三案之決議提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
35598.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
35615.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
並請院會立即處理報院會我們現在進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
35673.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
35678.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
報告表決結果現場委員106位贊成42位贊成者少數現有民進黨團提議要求重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
35736.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
35756.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
報告院會我們現在報告重複表決結果在場106位我們贊成41位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過報告院會我們本件復議案現在用進行舉手表決贊成傅坤琦委員提案的復議案者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
35833.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
35838.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
關於我們報告表決結果在場106位贊成41位贊成者少數我們現有民進黨黨團體重複表決現在我們進行重複表決贊成傅坤祺委員的復議案者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
35900.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
35921.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
報告重複表決結果在場106位贊成44位贊成則少數附議案不通過報告現有民進黨黨團針對本次舉手表決提出異議在此特別報告本次院會以表決通過採用舉手表決因此本案不再予以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
35923.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
35941.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
現在我們進行討論事項第4案財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商後再行處理報院會本案已超過一個月無法達成共識依立法院職權刑事法第71條之1的規定由院會定期處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
35945.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
35959.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
因此在本次會期提出討論：我們現在進行廣放討論：依登記順序發言：並截止發言登記首先請吳秉瑞委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
35986.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
36009.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
各位同仁愛媒體的記者先生女士要回到委員會那一天第一天我背後這個騙人的陳玉珍委員當財政委員會的召集委員審查這個法案當時民進黨團因為行政院沒有版本然後到底是要討論什麼內容都不清楚所以我們就用程序發言做會議詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
36012.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
36025.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
在我婚姻詢問的時候先不講說他每個人只給我們一分鐘還跟我們婚姻詢問的時候很清楚的回答我要求說因為我要請教我們新北市的財政 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
36027.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
36052.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
的市政府對於這個財化法的看法然後還有別的縣市也要意見表達他很清楚的當然跟我回答說明天會邀集這一些縣市政府的財政局相關人員跟政府的相關人員到立法院的財政委員會來讓我們可以好好的跟他們請教結果隔天 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
36053.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
36077.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
完全沒有讓這些人發言的機會包括遠從高雄來的市長也遠巴巴的趕來參加會議也完全不讓他有發言的機會完全是欺騙所以在審這個法案的時候我們財政委員會對於那個內容是完全不清楚的我作為財政委員會這麼久的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
36080.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
36100.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
另外我要跟大家報告我跟李昆哲跟蔡其昌我們來到立法院20年了這一屆的立法非常非常的粗糙版本沒有經過好好的協商能讓行政機關表達他的意見沒讓地方政府表達他的意見就算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
36100.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
36123.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
今天來到立法院要報讀之前也沒有經過政黨協商所以新的版本、新的草案財政單位、主計單位、中央政府都是不清楚的就突然之間拿一個草案來然後讓這些大家都不清楚的狀況下就做表決了然後就來決定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
36126.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
36152.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
請問要從中央政府撥這麼多錢給地方政府應該是要事權跟錢一起到地方這才是一個合理的分配所以要調整哪些事權因這些調整而需要的哪一些財源這樣子的修法才是合理的但是他不講事權的分配全部都是要講說我直接要給你拿多少錢我要跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
36153.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
36170.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
地方政府以新北市政府為例﹐連續4年的財政﹐是正數﹐以前雖然有負債﹐但是最近這4年﹐都是正數﹐在正數的狀況之下﹐你給他那麼多錢﹐卻沒有讓他多做事﹐這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
36175.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
36192.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
好,謝謝吳委員下一位請邱益穎委員發言你們不提版本,只是故意在拖延而已行政院不提版本,我們才會決議三個月老版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
36211.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
36229.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
主席各位委員大家午安經歷了漫長的一天我相信大家都非常的疲累但是現在要討論的是財政收支劃分法這對於各縣市政府來說都是一個非常重要的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
36231.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
36254.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
早上我穿上了這一件夾克．被國民黨委員說我穿了簡體字的衣服．我不知道你們是沒有讀書．還是看不清楚這個字．這件夾克前面很清楚的寫著．台灣 my country．台灣是我的國家．後面寫著我愛台灣．台灣愛我． |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
36258.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
36284.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
但是經過了韓國瑜當院長的這一年來臺灣完全走了樣毀憲滅政莫此為勝啊從早上到現在的表決到底通過了什麼樣的法案到底討論了什麼樣的東西到底我們製造了多少的荒謬 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
36286.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
36313.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
國民黨的委員你們知道嗎?你們只知道在上面﹐把主席台的麥克風用保鮮膜包好。你們只知道在上面﹐站了好幾個金童玉女在保護你們的主席。你知道新的這個版本﹐財政收支劃分法﹐國民黨總共提出了多少個更正版嗎?這一些更正版﹐對於地方的影響是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
36316.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
36336.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
4點10分來了一個板4點25分來了一個板5點又來了一個板5點25分又來了一個板連民眾黨偉大的黃國昌都來了四個板他的四個板裡面呢叉叉畫了一堆我都不知道畫那些叉叉是要幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
36337.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
36360.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
我也想請教國民黨的政策執行長柯志恩委員當時我們在財委會討論的時候你說你不知道不知道不知道你不知道你們國民黨的版本有首都保留3%你什麼都不知道那我現在要請問你現在國民黨更新了4個版你知道嗎對高雄的影響是什麼你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
36361.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
36384.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
臺上要選舉的張家俊委員你為了要選舉雲林縣這個更式版對你雲林的影響你知道在哪裡嗎有沒有增加有沒有減少你知道你的權責在哪裡嗎比重在哪裡嗎你們不知道你們甚至連版本內容根本都沒看過然後呢不討論等一下就要直接表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
36385.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
36396.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
立法院的立法之粗糙,莫此為慎啊!然後,有一個政治博士在那裡當副院長還要主持這樣的表決,實在是可...好,謝謝,現在為我們請吳思雅委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
36408.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
36427.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
轉過去給媒體看一下,不敢喔!轉過去!後面!後面檢體室!為什麼不敢?為什麼都沒戲喔?是都沒要喔?好,我們請,我們讓吳委員發言。我們讓吳委員發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
36441.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
36443.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
主席各位同仁擴權搶錢閹割民權摧毀憲法這就是民主政變的現在進行式 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
36463.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
36483.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
預算會期要審預算．但是這一屆的立法院．不按部就班審預算．急著要從裁劃法挖挖挖．挖走中央6612億．等等你們的最高機密版．黑箱作業版．是要挖走3000、4000、5000、6000．沒有人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
36489.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
36514.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
預算會期審預算：立法委員要專業要嚴謹：我們要當國家財政的精算師：而不是當政治厲害的精算師：如果這個財政收支劃分法通過了：台灣的財政榮景no longer：台灣的財政災難coming soon：我跟大家說明： |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
36516.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
36538.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
財政收支劃分法：現在的版本：分配不正義：事權不統一：財政沒有紀律：配套也沒有提出：違憲亂政的惡修：我們當然不需要跟你們提出一樣爛的修法版本： |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
36539.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
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相關的法律要一併的檢視從地方制度法、公共債務法、地方稅法通則、規費法、行政區劃法等等都是我們嚴肅的探討財政收支劃分法的時候不可切割的配套修法但是,你們有嗎?如果只管收入,不管支出 |
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不問錢頭哪裡來：不管錢花哪裡去：那麼這個財政收支劃分法：可以改名了：它就叫做財政收入劃分法了：因為你們只要挖錢討錢：只管收入：不問支出的事權是否統一：是否將錢權一併的下放： |
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如果這個二法修過了．我們的高等教育預算有1292億．受到衝擊．請問高等教育地方能辦嗎．我們的國民教育有1118億．受到波及．請問少子化一年688億． |
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你們國民黨的地方政府要付這一筆錢嗎?這只是小小的一部分,因為我關心教科文這是一部惡法惡修,請國民黨民眾黨懸懷好,下一位我們請林俊憲委員發言來,林市長林市長也反對 |
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財化法不是不能修你要大家一起坐下來很理性的來討論國家的財政資源怎麼樣來分配按照國民黨現在的版本 |
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馬祖一萬三千個,台灣很多里長管的人口都比馬祖多,馬祖一年由七億變成七十億,變十倍,你跟我說為什麼? |
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佳嵐由現行的大概58億會變成250幾億變成500%佳嵐市佳嵐5倍你告訴我他要提議做什麼我們來比台南更狀化啦臺南市是直轄市彰化縣不是喔臺南的面積是彰化的兩倍人口臺南比彰化多60萬 |
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那你告訴我,為什麼台南拿的補助款比彰化還要少?這個法案啦,不只後備編啦,還沒公佈。所以謝龍介委員,這個版本對台南政沒公佈,這個法案你還敢支持?你怎麼對得起台南人?所以像這個法案一通過啦,台政大亂。我們就強烈建議卓院長、中央大院長, |
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這個裁判法 如果你一簽啦行政院馬上癱瘓跛腳啦所以喔 別給他簽啦不要給他附屬啦那有沒有違憲的問題台灣現在從此以後沒有違憲問題啦因為憲法法庭被傅坤吉讓黃國昌幹掉了啦那 用你的魔法來對付你啦 |
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那國家的錢可以互不亂來互不亂變所以這個就是為什麼剛剛吳秉立委員一直講的最有可能違憲的是行政權所以黃國昌、傅坤祺他現在怕他們互不爭的法案去向憲法法庭宣告違憲白條的所以他把憲法法庭毀掉同樣的啦行政權也沒有束縛了啦 |
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同樣的：要收入人民的權利受損：也沒有最後一關憲法法庭來幫助他了： |
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所以這個裁判法我們立法院如果通過藍波議事會要求行政院說你行政院一定要把這個簽下去他就不用執政了嘛行政院幾年不能有一兆一千億啦沒有修法以前中央要五千億現在你從中央再拿六千億中央剩下五千億國防預算佔一半兩千六百億教育預算一千多億他就沒辦法執政啦 高高就頂了他啦所以行政院應該不要復甦啦阿不然你為甚麼要倒楣 |
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好,謝謝林委員下一位請蔡育宇委員發言謝謝主席 |
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主席充分休息了我們剛跟韓院長說是不是給議事人員休息一下韓院長只聽到的休息兩個字他就跑去休息了然後就換了已經充分休息的我們的副院長來但是議事人員都沒有休息到這是我一開始要講的那這個財政說之話分法 |
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哇!今天開會了又提出了好多版本那民眾黨有版本齁那當然他有講了中央的一個分配他大概是希望中央釋出三千多億 |
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那水平分配勒本來還是有一個指標啦齁那後來把他全部挖擦擦擦擦擦挖擦一下我才看沒民眾黨的版本是什麼所以民眾黨的版本大概只有垂直分配啊水平分配就不管了啊我們不知道這個是一個負責任的一個提案嗎啊幹嘛明明有自己的版本那為什麼在最後的修正動議啊只保留兩條啊剩下的全部打擦 |
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這個打X是什麼意思我真的不知道可能他們就放棄了那國民黨也是好多的版本但是這些版本我講幾個最明顯的就是說國民黨勒他用了好多的我們不要說他的錘子我們說他的水平分配 |
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我主張非六都以外的縣市如果我們贊成這樣的財政收支劃分法我們對不起自己的故鄉你看它的比例最大的都是看財稅的一個所得財稅的所得是佔了最大的比例我們一直強調土地的面積 |
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你一個地方如果土地面積比較大你就需要比較多錢去建設結果你的土地面積你只用了10%一宿一宿一個那你的指標的55%人口的指標有55%是人口的指標其中人口數佔90%還有一個叫做所得能力10% |
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我問問大家,這樣也是多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養多養 |
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你們這個版本這樣對嗎?農業縣的每一個立委看一下然後我再跟大家講這個對三級政府也不公平過去我們公所分配是8%他們這個版本公所分配是8% |
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好 謝謝蔡委員現在進行主條討論請宣讀第二條條文委員高金、宿美等17人提案第二條中華民國各級政府財政收支之劃分及條紀依本法之規定國民黨黨團修正動議第二條不予採納國民黨黨團再修正動議第二條不予修正維持現行條文宣讀完畢 |
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現在依登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先請賴瑞龍委員發言 |
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主席各位同仁齁我想先講個程序問題啦齁今天要修財政收支劃分法這是一個非常重要的法大家都知道每個都來自於選區但是我們在一個小時內拿到了國民黨四個版本一個小時內拿到了民眾黨四個版本這麼短的時間內提出這麼多不同的版本這樣怎麼處理光這個程序就是個重大的瑕疵重大的問題表示藍白並沒有認真來處理財政收支劃分法再來第二個我要提的是 |
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財政綜合法很重要必須要每個首長每個相關的部會都必須要充分討論牽扯的權益也相當重大但是我們在財政委員會裡面卻沒有好好的充分討論3分鐘的時間就出了財政委員會然後就沒有經過草擬席上直接到院會來待會就直接表決就國民黨4個修正版本跟民眾黨4個版本來修正直接來表決 |
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這是一個充分討論的程序嗎這裡的問題沒有非常多嗎我們要知道不管是從最多的談到的6612億或是到3000億或4000億不管是中央撥回到地方還是地方拿到多少每一個對中央的財政影響都相當大對地方的財政也影響相當大但是既然如此的草率如此的沒有經過溝通跟討論這樣子難道沒有違憲違法的問題嗎 |
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各位偉大的立法委員你們每個代表選區的利益這樣處理難道沒有問題嗎更何況很多的重大的中央建設是跨選區間的處理你把這些錢拿到地方去之後哪些要被撤掉哪些未來中央不予補助完全沒有討論完全沒有聽過其他相當多位的意見就直接處理這樣難道沒有高度爭議嗎再強調 |
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我經政界第一個提出來財政收入方法的修法﹐我要求針對於國家的部分﹐配合國家的產業﹐有設置到高污染的產業﹐應該在財政上合理的分配﹐給予多一些的支持。 |
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以定義來說就好 高雄三大電廠 新達電廠 南部合力發電廠 跟大陵電廠三個電廠 充分的公安建立40%中送北送 難道不該 而他的總公司設在台北 難道不該合理的分配嗎 |
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這不是高層問到這個問題﹖台中沒有遇到﹖雲林沒有遇到﹖難道你們都不發聲﹖都不聽爭取嗎﹖結果這樣的意見﹖完全被國民黨把我們漠視﹖完全沒有納入到整體的考量﹖其他這些縣市的立委都沒意見嗎﹖最可靠的核實人﹖當時有時候跟我講﹖ |
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黨版出來的時候﹐他是副執行長﹐他跟我說是眾多版本﹐他會把我的意見邁入到版本﹐他支持我的意見﹐在我去審查的時候﹐他再次說﹐他支持任務版本的意見﹐要把空戶的部分拉進去﹐分配﹐結果再次跳跳﹐申報出委員會﹐他說最後的中期版本﹐會放進去﹐一定會放進去﹐但是從現在拿出來的版本﹐完全跳跳﹐完全跳跳﹐ |
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我要再次的跟科技人講你這樣子怎麼對得起高雄人你想選高雄市議員的人完全的騙了高雄人完全的背棄高雄人你這樣的人沒有資格來選高雄我再次強調這樣的修法絕對是高度爭議的高度違憲的我們希望今天不要通過這個法再回到查理學院好好討論一個重大的法案應該經過 |
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大家充分的討論：讓各部會、各縣市充分的討論意見：才是完整的修法：不然毀憲斷正的修法：我無法成功進行修法：最後終將被人民所唾棄好,謝謝代委員下一位請林黛嬅委員發言主席 |
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這是國民黨強行通過的財富化法：對國家財政有兩大不良的影響：第一個,弱化中央財政：國家一年的總預算2.8兆：國民黨修法就要拿走以現在的版本：3753億：這將嚴重影響全民福利：例如 |
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育兒津貼、租屋補助：大學學費的補助：每一項都是中央的預算執行：財化法的修法等於瓜分了民眾的福利：第二個不良影響：惡化城鄉差距與南北發展：以臺北市為例：新版的財化法上路統籌分配稅款：將從現在的612億增加到989億 |
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臺北市而且還享有固定的3%的稅收保障．以往窮縣市還可以期待．中央用前瞻建設或特別預算的補助．現在是弱化中央獨厚藍營的縣市．等同讓富者越富、貧者越貧． |
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更讓本席憤怒的是才化法通過之後對高雄人有三方面的負擔更加的沉重第一個公共建設的負擔更重高雄的土地比臺北大11倍但在興建捷運、修繕農路、治水防洪高雄得到補助卻變少了往後自籌的負擔更重了第二個對國家的財政 |
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﹗公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案：本院委員 |
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這個統籌分配款卻比以前更少了甚至比台中更少等同我高雄人賺錢養國家的責任比藍營縣市更重第三社會福利的負擔更重高雄市65歲以上長輩人口高達52萬人均社福的支出是六都之第一長照資源的覆蓋率是超過台北的 |
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但是成績是越好的城市﹐卻要負擔更沉重的社福支出﹐不像臺北﹐不必照顧老人﹐也可比高雄多出100億的分配款﹐就像成績好的學生﹐卻要少一分﹐ |
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打一下,非常的不公平國民黨每次選舉的時候都說重視南部但這次的裁罷法卻讓高雄受傷最重我也呼籲我們所有的高雄市民好,謝謝下一位請陳素悅委員發言 |
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謝謝主席各位同仁現在我們在這裡討論柴化法我覺得是一個非常荒謬的事情因為我們看到柴化法在整個立法的過程沒有討論 |
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在財政委員會陳玉珍主持的這個會議裡面三分鐘就全部把它保留打包要送協商可是今天這個應該協商的部分也沒有經過韓國瑜院長主持的一個協商做充分的一個討論今天就要強行用表決這個方式要來通過內容到底是什麼剛剛短短的一個小時內我們看到議事人員在發這個資料 |
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看到國民黨、民眾黨有修正動議再修正動議各有四個版本今天為什麼會有這樣荒謬的事情發生就是在在證明了並沒有經過充分的一個討論所以他們想到什麼就又提出一個修正動議出來所以到現在到底他們的主張確定的是什麼我們都不知道 |
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主席 |
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很多的建設﹚很多的福利都是全國性的﹚像育兒津貼﹚老人福利﹚或者是租屋補助﹚或者是重大的交通建設等等﹚都是要仰賴中央做一個統籌的分配﹚跟做一個重大的規劃﹚今天如果說這個財化法通過之後﹚地方挖走了中央6612億的經費﹚之後 |
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這些本來是中央要負責規劃推動的一個建設之後要由誰來承接呢?就像我們彰化縣推動的這個彰化鐵路高架以及彰化財中綠線延伸到彰化目前都有一定的一個進度了就這兩項重大的計畫中央在彰化鐵路高架負擔要296.3億 |
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在這個捷運綠線的部分．中央是負擔182.78億．可是如果說未來中央沒錢了．這些建設就是要停頓下來了．因為錢被地方搶走了． |
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主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
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好,謝謝陳委員接下來請黃秀芳委員發言 |
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謝謝主席從今天早上到現在我看到國民黨民眾黨一直在碾壓不論是從選罷法、限數法一直到現在的才化法那我先針對我們現在的才化法 |
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當然我們希望才化法已經好幾年沒有修：我們也希望能夠好好的來討論很可惜在財政委員會陳玉珍當主席的時候3分鐘就把他送出委員會完全沒有充分的討論那我們看到現在目前的這個才化法保障臺北市3%的分配稅額 |
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其他六都分配大部分那對於其他縣市對於農業縣來講非常的不公平我認為各政府的稅基不同人口結構產業結構不同所以我認為才化法應該要好好的來討論而不是讓所有的委員今天在這邊一個兩個 |
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發言完之後就用表決的方式我認為應該要大家充分的來討論不論是直轄市不論是其他的農業縣市大家應該要分配的更公平在這邊我要特別提出來 |
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如果現在國民黨的財化法通過其實不論是對於地方的重要建設剛剛蘇越委員有特別提到彰化的鐵路高架臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化這個都會受到影響 |
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另外,我們目前的育兒津貼．還有長照的補助．以及租金補貼．還有社宅的經費．都會受到影響．甚至跨縣市的建設．也都會受到影響．我們不希望．今天國民黨的才化法通過之後． |
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讓六都甚至我們看到苗栗原本從70億到270億基隆從53億變成221億 |
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這些分配都大於稅出：未來苗栗會不會放更多的煙火：基隆原本是送Gogoro：會不會變成送特斯拉：地方會不會亂花錢支出腐爛： |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
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造成中央不論是教育的經費﹑國防的經費都受到影響我同意財政收支劃分法要修法我認為要好好的討論而不是在這邊一個兩個好謝謝王委員下一位請王逸川委員發言 |
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好,各位現在在場外的朋友我們現在在處理的是財政收支法文法這個法在今天會議開始過長途後送一堆版本來尤其民眾黨這個國寵案國寵案這個簽名簽名後表都打叉叉我先來送一部要寵案過十分鐘國寵案又送一部來因為又打叉叉 |
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本院委員傅崐萁等16人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案：本院委員許宇甄等21人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案：同意權之行使事項：本院委員許宇甄等21人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案：同意權之行使事項：同意權之行使事項：本院委員許宇甄等21人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修條文第5條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
對於內地又有投倉一條：投倉一條：婚姻又給一條錢給他：叫台北錢給他三趴一樣：這都沒有好好的討論：都沒有好好的討論：剛才這民眾黨的還背去庭園：還站著半步上去：不知道還要避什麼忙：匆匆的之後：省省的老人執政的官司：要拗很多錢去： |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
大家就夠有良心的啦!大家就夠有良心的啦!這些怎麼發文?這些比例怎麼處理?沒辦法討論的!身體中央好一條直路來!各縣市要怎麼分?啊都沒說啊!啊沒說就硬要過!啊沒說就硬要過!各位常委的朋友!台灣的財政不能這樣亂啦! |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
38092.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
38100.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
要在中央歐六千多億﹑用三千多億去﹑歐二去之後你以為台中的地位到現在都沒說話? |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
後期後：台中要去捷運：捷運南線：機場捷運：捷運局線：綠園：捷運綠線：延伸到彰化：這裡的錢：臨間讓我們台中市政府自己拿來：這事情都沒討論的：都沒討論的：沒討論就在開：沒良心：沒良心：尤其國民黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
38136.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
這國窮啊跟你們亂闖,你們自己就要用他們的版本過了?這民眾黨亂嚇一趟,嚇嚇都還打叉,打叉之後就都要過了?你們國民黨都快點點,快點點,要靠智慧也都沒辦法說,我們今天定期在發言,國民黨沒辦法定期呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
38148.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
38174.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
都無法定義,現在如果分配後,這都相關的執筆照大家要記住,都相關的執筆照,去找國民黨的立委討都已經決定了,大家看清楚報告委員會,本案進行處理時依序進行表決,如果其中有任何一案通過即不再處理其他案 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
38176.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
38188.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
請問院會第二條照國民黨黨團在修正動議通過有異議有異議有異議進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
38256.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
8月表決結果,在場人數106人,贊成者47人,贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決,現在進行重複表決,贊成民進黨黨團提議,請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
38312.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
38318.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數47人贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現在進行第二條舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議贊成者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
38387.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
38392.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
法院會表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數56人贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
38478.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數56人贊成者多數第二條照國民黨黨團再修正動議通過維持現行條文不予修正現在進行第三條請宣讀條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
38485.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
38511.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
委員伍麗華等17人提案第三條這是伍麗華的伍麗華的第三條委員伍麗華等17人提案第三條全國財政收支系統劃分如下一、中央二直轄市三、縣市以下簡稱縣市四、鄉鎮縣轄市及直轄市三地原住民區以下簡稱鄉鎮市區 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
國民黨黨團修正動議第3條不予採納國民黨黨團再修正動議第3條不予修正維持現行條文宣讀完畢現在我們請伍麗華委員發言並截止發言登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
38545.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
38570.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
各位敬愛的同仁大家好我來到財政委員會我心心念念的就是要把過去修法的錯誤把它改正回來在2010年啟動縣市合併我們的原住民鄉升格為原住民區之後竟然失去了公法人的資格引起嘩然 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
38572.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
38590.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
在過去立委的努力之下．重新在2014年修法．恢復了公法人的地位．但是因為修法的疏漏．又導正稅客收入奏降為零．必須要仰賴大約八成的財政． |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
38592.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
38607.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
在這個時候我們到了2024年整整10年的時間這一些原住民區苦不堪言必須要仰賴政府逼襲我們在這個地方只不過希望要求修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
38608.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
38629.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
在過去幾次的委員會的質詢、討論．乃至於公聽會．我也邀請說我們的原住民區的縣市．跟這些區長來討論．一切都很順利．但是各位知道嗎．我直到剛才5點多．我才知道．原來我排入議程的條文． |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
38630.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
竟然我拿到的除了這些叉叉之外還寫不予採納不予修正還更正三這樣的一個行為就像一個強盜一樣沒收不僅如此還像小偷還把這個法條的精神呢把它藏到別的條文之中 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
38655.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
像這樣一個匪徒的行為我覺得對於我的這個提案相當的不尊重也不尊重我們原住民族人的權益我在這邊要特別的來表示道義有道 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
38675.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
搶錢我們也要討論到底業務要怎麼移轉要怎麼分配而不是用這種方式去違反我們的財政紀律法導致我們整個都不知道條文的內容為何直到最後一個這是非常不負責任的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
38725.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
難道我們就真的要讓總統我不知道該怎麼公布讓我們的行政院不知道該怎麼附屬難道我們的目的就是要癱瘓執政如果是這個目的我們真的不知道該怎麼辦難道要立院倒閣嗎今天在這邊討論財政紀律法我想這是很重要的一步法希望我們所有的立院同仁能夠在這個地方三思謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
38728.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
38731.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
好謝謝吳委員下一位我們請林柱英委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
38748.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
38763.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
主席我們各位立法院的同事以及在場外現在下班趕過來關心立法院修法的各位公民朋友大家晚安本席過去四年也就是上一屆我都待在財政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
38765.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
38791.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
當時我們在財政委員會都說過那就是財政委員會所討論的法案是最沒有顏色因為它攸關的是國家的大政也攸關著各行各業關乎著許多重要的政策法案它跟產業有關它跟顏色無關而財政收支劃分法也是一個這樣的修法可是就像剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
38793.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
38817.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
民眾黨所拿出來這個打XX的版本我就問連續來了兩個打XX的版本現在在議場外有許多的年輕朋友們他們交的報告都沒有像民眾黨如此的潦草而且沒有誠意甚至於是如此的品質低劣這是我們的立法院嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
38818.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
38832.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
我要講的是財政收支劃分法在這一條當中他所提到的就是把現在我們所有的財政收支劃分當中分為四級分成中央直轄市 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
38834.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
38836.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
本院委員擬議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
38855.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
38855.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
﹚本院委員長 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
38885.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
38912.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
他們認為不需要也認為不合理那麼現在藍白還要聯手嗎?因為各個縣市都有他的需要在水平分配都談不攏的情況這樣的法案可以沒有討論就倉促過關嗎?我要講的是更重要攸關民生的一個法案攸關到產業的比如說現在被經濟犯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
38914.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
38942.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
傅崐萁還有牆頭草的黃國昌所擱置的有關於我們現在急需要通過的政交稅當沖降稅但是竟然不審反而是要審這個充滿政治性的法案好,謝謝林委員下一位請李坤澄委員請李坤澄委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
38948.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
38966.754 |
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我們尊重委員的發言我們尊重委員的發言我們請李昆城委員發言我們讓李昆城委員發言請你發言請你發言好 我們讓李昆城委員發言好 |
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好,我們尊重,我們尊重來,我們尊重來,請李昆城委員發言好 |
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財政委員會財政委員會財政委員會財政委員會財政委員會財政委員會財政委員會 |
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那他說沒有討論阿錯了沒有討論嘛因為我們那時候在討論的都是只有程序發言會議詢問根本沒有直接進入到財化法的主題所以根本還沒有辦法跟這個財政部的所有的官員進行討論然後呢再隔一個禮拜之後三分鐘要送書去了 |
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送出去之後呢 辦了一次這一個他主持的這個草野協商那大概半個多小時之後大家有不同的意見財政部也說了一些話那我想說那至少可以到這一個院長主持的草野協商大家再來仔細的來討論說財劃法這麼重要的一個可以說是財政的憲法那要怎麼修會比較的完善 |
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但之前我沒想到根本就沒有到院長成績的這個朝野協商就直接跳到現在等一下講完之後就要這個投票就要決定了那我想請問一下一樣老問題為什麼這麼重要的這個法案國民黨跟民眾黨都沒有來做提案說明這麼重要耶 |
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國民黨他們說要從這個中央挖了6000多億但是呢我剛剛看了他們最新的版本最新的版本啊我現在不知道說這個最後會剩下幾這個我挖了多少億因為呢他們本來的一個修正都已經我這個已經是更正3了啦齁 |
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本來呢這個國稅他們本來是要收25%現在降到11%那也沒跟我們講說為什麼本來說是25%後來降到11%完全都沒有講然後呢更不用講這個財務法不是在市場上喊價剛剛大家就有提到了民眾黨的版本呢就像在市場喊價一樣 |
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拿來的版本一直更正、一直劃差 |
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財務法這麼重要的一個法案到目前為止那至少也跟我們提一下說民眾黨你的版本是多少?兩千多億?三千多億?可以來做個說明啊那齊凱兄等一下來做個提案說明好不好?或是黃珊珊委員等一下來做個提案說明啊你的版本就跟國民黨的版本也不一樣啊那可以跟我講一下嗎?現在國民黨跟民眾黨打算從中央花走多少億? |
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到現在為止沒有這個金額出來,根本不知道要發索多少億,我們到底在審什麼法案啊?好,謝謝李委員。下一位請何新淳委員發言。 |
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好 謝謝主席江副院長 終於江副院長又再一次的讓我講話了 |
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江副院長上次沒有讓我講話第二次讓我講話講完話之後我第三次要講話他又離開了主席的位置這一次我還是要謝謝他給我講話的機會給我講話的機會其實是我的選民賦予給我的職責也是我身為立法委員在立法院要好好的來審法案要好好的來參與討論 |
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代表民意來發言這是我的職責也需要我們不同黨派的各位委員的尊重尤其是主席的尊重不要再一次的沒收我們充分討論的空間以及時間以及我們應該有的位子現在很遺憾 |
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我們的選罷法以及限訴法在國民兩黨免壓式的方式三讀通過了真的很遺憾一個沒收了人民的罷免權一個影響了人民 |
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可以申請事先維護權益的方式那現在呢又再來一次的用限縮發言沒有充分討論的方式要來三讀通過財政收支劃分法我過去表示過財政收支劃分法不是不能修可以修中央地方大家坐下來談 |
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可是問題是不是我們不談是你們也沒有給時間、給機會、給空間談這一次的財政收支劃分法在財政委員會大家都有看到張偉、陳玉珍用3分鐘就宣讀送出委員會被邀集來列席的地方首長也連發表意見的機會跟時間都沒有 |
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沒有充分討論．地方的首長沒有辦法發言．來參與討論．發表意見．那我們怎麼真正的知道．現在全台灣22縣市．到底的心聲是如何．我們又如何能夠公正公平．來修財政收支劃分法． |
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再者以六都來講臺中市我們現在不知道我們臺中市現場的立法委員包括我們江副院長到底知不知道這麼多的國民黨民眾黨的版本裡面更新到第三版臺中市能分得多少那又如何願意同意讓臺北市獨有特別的3%那你們認為 |
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好,謝謝下一位我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言沒有空間,也沒有任何的評估、試算 |
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好,謝謝何委員下一位我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言好,我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言好,我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言好,我們尊重發言的委員下一位請鍾嘉斌委員發言 |
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你先發言我再次強調沒有充分的討論就不是真的民主啦不要用這種方式強硬的蠻喊謝謝何委員,下一位請中委員發言 |
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主席在場的委員先進剛才對裁判法的發言大概都是最近這三個月的當然跟大家談談過去這30年來裁判法歷經的大家很多疑惑裁判法為什麼有的不予採納有的不予採納是怎樣用原條文原條文要刪除到底裁判法怎麼回事裁判法一共有四章第二章處理收入 |
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第三章處理支出第四章處理負責今年大家都在談收入我們的幹事長說得好啊大家談財化法都在談收入啊結果支出呢35條到38條之後一共8條有沒有任何人不敢談到沒有 |
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中華民國的法律在第一條援引的法源是憲法的不多欸頂多是憲法哪幾條裁判法第一條引用憲法第十章中央與地方之權限第十三章基本國策說的是什麼中央跟地方權限該做什麼事情第十三章基本國策該做什麼項目 |
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財化法要處理這個事情結果我們剛剛吳委員他所提的第3條他是一個財政系統的劃分他只不過是要加入原住民在六都的原住民區而已然而我們第32條也看到了一個原住民的提案他也是說要根據我們的基本國策增修條文第11條第12項說要放在那裡 |
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三十二條是什麼?您到底看一下。三除。什麼意思?三十二條處理經審後,審不見啦!上一次裁判法修改是什麼時候?民國八十八年,發生什麼事情?經審、動審,沒有審啦!所以呢,三十一條,我們縣市要支持鄉鎮,三十二條,省府要支持縣市,就不用了! |
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所以大家要談財化法看得完整一點我相信很多要選六度的市長的還有我們這些農業縣財政收入自主較低的我們都衷心的期盼財化法可以得到一個完整的修改但是今天國民黨跟民眾黨提出來的民眾黨更好笑他直接刪除兩個副表啊副表在處理什麼 |
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要花錢花在什麼地方一個一個的寫得清清楚楚你看我們王毅川委員說的那個打叉叉打得最多的就是護表一跟護表二 |
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結果民眾黨說通通不要我們至關要收哪些錢為什麼大家開心所以今天民眾黨很開心因為我們通過他的憲法訴訟法國民黨支持了待會不要跑他還要你們通過他的接避責保護法大家等著看吧12點不夠用請主席繼續延長謝謝總委員請問議員會第3條照國民黨黨團再修正動議通過有依 |
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有異議現在表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數42人贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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法院會表決結果在場人數106人,贊成人數43人,贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過現在進行第三條舉手表決國民黨黨團再修正動議,贊成者請舉手 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案 公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數57人贊成者多數現在有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議者請舉手 |
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還那麼嗨 總進行訴書 |
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表決結果在場人數106人贊成人數57人贊成者多數第三條照國民黨黨團再修正動議通過維持現行條文不予修正現在進行第4條請宣讀條文及副表 |
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國民黨黨團提案第4條刪除﹐副表1及副表2刪除﹐台灣民眾黨黨團提案第4條刪除﹐副表1及副表2刪除﹐委員高晶素梅等17人提案第4條刪除﹐副表1及副表2刪除﹐ |
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國民黨黨團修正動議第4條 維持現行條文國民黨黨團再修正動議第4條 刪除 副表1及副表2 刪除 宣讀完畢現在依登記順序發言 並截止發言登記第一位請陳廷飛委員發言 |
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今天站在這裡我相信我們是在承擔一個國家的責任這個國家的責任你我都賦予關鍵的一個重要的使命才化法對於國家的發展極為重要每一次講到才化法 |
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國民黨最會拿過去的案子說陳廷飛你也支持過才化法要修法沒有錯當時候在國民黨執政的時候國民黨請問你們的態度是什麼為什麼我們會支持要修才化法是因為當時候有太多的縣市根本發不出薪水 |
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但是在民進黨蔡英文總統執政之後﹐就任之後﹐她聽到了我們地方的聲音她重新做了統籌分配的比例讓我們現在所有的各縣市都發得出薪水不只是發得出薪水 |
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現在因為有特別預算﹐也讓所有的縣市﹐可以拿到非常多的預算補助﹐只要對地方有利﹐不分黨派﹐不分你我﹐我們也知道﹐現在是國民黨執政縣市比較多﹐可是請問﹐ |
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國民黨的縣市首長在民進黨執政的過程當中你們有少拿了一分對於地方有幫助的建設經費嗎沒有你們並沒有少拿因為你只要地方有拿出預算有拿出了好的計劃我相信中央全部接受我們也希望 |
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我們也希望能夠好好的看一看這個談話法可是有給我們時間嗎?國民黨有給我們時間嗎?民眾黨有給我們時間嗎?沒有我們拿到的是更正、更一、更二、更三我們都來不及看馬上又要表決了 |
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我要問臺南在國民黨的修法我們是倒數第三我們還拿的比彰化還少在民眾黨的修正版本我們是倒數第六請問我們能對得起臺南人嗎如果我們支持這樣的彩化法我們回去怎麼對得起我們臺南的鄉親 |
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我們要問,請大家把標準定出來,把財務法的標準定出來,才能對我們...好,謝謝陳委員。接下來請沈伯陽委員發言 |
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雖然現在是第4條但我還是要再為第3條平反一下當時協商的時候就卡在這裡明明第3條它是一個在法院上能夠再給原住民有好的分配基礎的一個條文就這樣不見了這個我是我覺得完全不能忍受的事情只是因為每一條都只給幾個人發言所以我們沒有辦法就第3條做更多的論述 |
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但我還是要再講一次這一次才化法最大的問題它有兩個一個是垂直分配一個是水平分配垂直分配這件事情反而才是整個在委員會最大的問題我還記得我在程旭發言的時候我問了當時的趙偉、陳玉珍我說如果按照舊的版本是六千億的話你這個六千億要哪裡來你這個六千億要從中央的哪一個部會挖出來 |
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因為國防預算扣掉人事的部分2900億不把這個加進去的話你的零零總總加起來你湊不到6000億所以我就說如果這件事情你要從國防部2900億直接拿掉所有的武器都不用買所有的設備都不用維護那你要這樣做你好歹要讓國防部知道吧 |
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陳玉珍、趙偉那時候說好會找國防部來會找地方政府來結果呢來了之後完全沒有講到話國防部根本也沒有講到話就這樣結束了 |
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你要從國防部有可能從他身上拿走2900億結果他都不用知道他都不用發言然後現在又再提出了修正的版本這修正的版本我剛剛稍微算了一下大概是將近4000億左右所以如果今天一樣你要從國防拿走那也可以再拿一半那這一半又要從哪裡來我們這些中央部會知道嗎 |
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我們的衛福部知道嗎?我們的勞動部知道嗎?是哪一些以後要砍他知道嗎?更不要說一直在放謠言說中央跟地方75、25、70、30明明現在支出是64比36用這樣的一個謠言的方式告訴大家說才華法必須要修法完全沒有它的正當性 |
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這邊我都還不提到水平分配喔剛剛我們很多的區域立委都有提到水平分配的問題這個公式根本就是先決定了哪一些可以拿多少錢之後才回過頭去生產出這樣的公式結果呢這個公式可以現在今天晚上說改就改紅國昌可以在這邊進進出出多次影印機的紙都還是熱的然後印出來之後然後條文就已經準備要通過了 |
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這個連我們試算的時間都沒有這樣我們怎麼要知道你這個財化法你要怎麼做分配你今天這個財政紀律你今天不同的預算要怎麼去編列這個都不用知道就可以通過這個財化法以上就是我的意見 謝謝謝謝沈委員下一位我們請蔡育委員發言 |
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好 主席那我們今天看到了這麼多的版本事實上剛剛國民黨有更二的版本然後後來又跑出了更三更二跟更三我們再把它試算一下算起來大概在直轄市的部分六都又增加了非六都減少了那六都裡面 |
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大概增加的就是在臺北市臺北市從原本的增加的幅度37%調整到了59%新北市從75條變成了68台中市有62條降為58台南市降的更多從56變50高雄市從50變48桃園72然後維持平板72% |
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好所以看起來跟二跟三的版本就是一個對台北市最有利更有利的版本那如果這樣的話我們六都台北以外的縣市應該要支持國民黨的跟二版本啊你們幹嘛又要支持國民黨的跟三版本好那非六都的部分 |
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就誠如我剛剛講的這一個水平分配的它一個嚴重的不公平的一個指標就在於說它很重視人口數 |
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40563.283 |
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人口數我們也知道人口有很多是屬於老年人口老年人口是需要被照顧的我們是大人需要被照顧所以他需要更多的社會福利去照顧老年人那相對的老年人他需要被照顧的情況之下他沒有收入他沒有收入的情況所以這一個縣市他如果有更多的老年人口 |
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他能夠水平分配分到的預算就相對的比較低所以我們是大人 |
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在內的所在分到較少錢你們覺得這樣公平嗎?你們真的覺得這樣公平嗎?然後我剛剛講的這個人口數裡面人口指標人口數佔90%所得能力又佔了10%那所得能力佔了10%我剛剛講老年人口他沒有所得能力所以他這個10%拿不到那站在農業線農業線的農業收入 |
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本身就不繳稅那不繳稅的情況之下這一個所得能力定義也是沒有所以這個10%對於農業線完全不公平啊 |
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所以請大家去注意看國民黨我們通過的可能是國民黨的版本結果國民黨跟二跟三讓台北市又更好的然後對於農業縣我講的問題事實上完全沒有處理到那我有這麼多來自農業縣的一個立委為什麼你們可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
郭國麟委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
好﹖ |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
晚上幾點多了各位同仁辛苦了藝術人員最辛苦因為主席到現在都還不讓藝術人員休息喔我現在走上來的時間花了一點時間耽誤是為什麼呢因為我在找我桌上到底有幾個才化法的版本我不知道國民黨的委員知道你現在桌上到底有幾個版本嗎4點多送來一份5點多又送來一份到了6點 |
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有還有新的一份那我剛剛在做什麼事情呢我在算數學為什麼我在算數學我相信在座如果你是非常關心你的選區非常關心你的家鄉的區域立委應該都在算數學 |
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因為直到現在都沒有人能夠告訴我們我們手上的版本精算之後到底對各縣市的數字是多少請問在座的國民黨你知道嗎我敢保證你們一個都不知道一個都算不出來 |
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我在這邊必須非常嚴正的抗議《財化法》是對每個縣市都非常非常非常重要的一部法律每個區域立委都非常在乎都是斤斤計較都是要到一毛不拔的態度因為我們認為一毛都不能少可是在我剛剛精算過後我很努力的用最快的速度算出高雄市 |
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的預算發現說對高雄市一點都不公平啊一點都不公平啊這裡面原本土地的面積應該要是20%結果變成10%什麼意思高雄市是全台灣直轄市面積最大的縣市也是台北市面積的11倍結果你讓我們土地面積只剩下10%什麼意思啊 |
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國民黨智庫執行長也是主導國民黨版本的科職人委員你要選高雄市長你讓我們高雄土地面積只剩下10%是什麼意思啊再來人口比例就更不用說把人口比例調到45%裡面卻沒有放入人口結構人口結構有多重要高雄市是全台灣需要的社福經費的比例最高 |
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的一個縣市為什麼因為我們有非常多需要照顧的長者你在座各位的爸爸媽媽都會需要用到這一筆錢結果你現在這個裡面的 |
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全眾比例竟然是人口比例的所得能力佔了10%什麼意思呢?也就是說有經濟能力你條件好的在大都市都會區的不好意思資源讓你非常多集中在雙北不好意思長征很多的你在座各位的爸爸媽媽阿公阿嬤大家用更少的錢來分這些社福預算這樣公平嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
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才化法的精神不就是要分配正義嗎?為什麼會出現一個如此逆分配的版本?我絕對不同意!高雄人不同意!好,謝謝,謝謝王委員。下一位我們請郭國文委員發言。請郭國文委員發言。來,我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
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主席、各位同仁我們今天討論財政收支方法財政收支方法我一再在委員會討論過程當中一再強調知識體大 |
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《財政收支方法》之所以成立的時間在1951年但是它真正最重要修改的時候是在1981在1981到1951的時候距離將近有30年之久各位後來為什麼再修就是因為精神費神的關係也是時隔了18年之久因為這部法案非常的複雜不容易修直到整個體制的轉變的時候才不得不修 |
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41019.23 |
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可是我們看到1999年到現在25年很多國民黨的委員跟我們講說時間很長了要修那我問各位嘛那為什麼在馬英九執政的時候修不了為什麼25年修不了不是國民黨現在比較厲害啊而是這一部法案實在太困難不容易修可是國民黨為什麼一定要修 |
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我們去看看這部法案除了從縱向的部分要花這麼多時間從橫向的部分它跟相關的法案又有一定的關聯性包括地方制度法包括公債法包括我們一直在強調的所謂的地方稅法通則這些都有關聯 |
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我一直跟陳旭珍、張偉要強調我們不是不願意修知識體大的一個法案當中要好好的討論可是有好好的討論嗎?沒有啊!所以導致的結果是什麼?國民黨今天拿出了四個更正的版本 |
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民眾黨拿出四個更正的版本是想有什麼樣的法案會到大會來的時候還有八個版本而這八個版本的內容當中令人更加奇怪了就結論而言啊橫向的分配來說他縱都會清鄉下他縱六都 |
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依據憲法增修條文第5條依據憲法增修條文第5條依據憲法增修條文第5條依據憲法增修條文第5條依據憲法增修條文第5條 |
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41111.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
這種充滿權某的法案設計當中你真的有辦法執行嗎我跟大家說在去年的時候中央給地方的這個政府的經費當中剩餘的金額高達600多億600多億就代表他無法執行的情況底下他如何又增加了3753億國民黨最新的版本總共超過4300億的情況底下他又要如何執行權力要如何分配錢要怎麼分配這都有一定的關聯性 |
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| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
41155.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
好,謝謝國委員請問一位第4條及附表1、附表2照國民黨黨團再修正動議通過有異議有異議進行表決現有國民黨黨團 |
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| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
41186.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決,針對是否採用點名表決,現在進行舉手表決,贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手。他有送嗎?有沒有收到?有沒有收到?好 |
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41188.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
41191.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
我們重新清點人數來,請議事人清點人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
41324.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
報告院會清點人數結果在場人數99人報告院會現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
41400.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
41405.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
表決結果在場人數99人﹐贊成人數44人﹐贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團提議﹐重複表決﹐現在進行重複表決﹐贊成民進黨黨團提議﹐請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
41474.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數99人﹐贊成人數44人﹐贊成者少數﹐民進黨黨團提議不通過﹐現在進行第4條及副表1、副表2﹐舉手表決﹐贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議者﹐請舉手。 |
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41533.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
41537.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
表決結果在場人數99人贊成人數55人贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議者請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
41605.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
表決結果在場人數99人贊成人數55人贊成者多數作以下宣告第4條及副表1、副表2照國民黨黨團再修正動議通過予以刪除 |
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| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
報告院會高精素美委員徹回提案增訂第4條之1、第16條增訂第16條之2至第16條之4、第32條提案條文所以就不予處理請問院會有無異議無異議高精素美委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
徹違提案通過,國民黨黨團在修正動議及修正動議就不予處理。所以你們對他徹違提案有意義嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
41697.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
我們把撤回的提案撤回的提案發給現場的委員因為他們撤案就沒有發言因為撤案就沒有發言所以包括國民黨的也沒有但是我們讓你知道撤哪些案 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
41723.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
我們請議事人把策案的條文的條次條次條文給我們在場的委員我們把剛才策案委員的條次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
41739.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
那如果有異議我們就進行表決嘛好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
41765.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
我重新再跟院會報告一些高金素美委員撤回的提案我會再附送一次高金素美委員撤回提案增訂第4條之1、第16條增訂第16條之2至第16條之4、第32條提案的條文 |
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41772.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
41774.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
所以我們就不予處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
41801.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
41828.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
報告院會過去撤案也都沒有印我們是照慣例來處理但是如果你們需要剛才撤案的條文的這個條次我們可以把這個印給大家那因為剛才大家民進黨這邊對於撤案有異議那有異議依照我們的意思規則處理我們就進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
41830.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
41835.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
但是這個內容會印給大家條次會印給大家針對剛才的意義我們進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
41855.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
41881.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
我們待會印給大家因為是屬於策案現在正在會印給大家那個條刺啦是條刺條刺條刺會給你條刺會給你我們議事人員的條刺都印了沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
41890.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
41906.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
條次有沒有法條都在裡面法條都在裡面法條都在裡面對,我們依照慣例以往就是沒有在重印這個內容的條次 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
41915.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
41926.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
條文內容都有發給大家剛才宣讀的是策案的條次那各位如果需要策案條次的引印本我們會印給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
41943.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
41962.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
好,我們議事院現在馬上發送條次給大家條次發給大家了,現在已經在發了條次已經在發了條次,條次 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
41966.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
41981.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
條字運給你了現在議事人員已經把條字運到各位的桌上了請各位參考那剛才因為有異議所以我們進行處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
41984.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
41996.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決．針對是否採用點名表決．現在進行舉手表決．贊成民進黨黨團提議．請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
42025.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
42047.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
沒有權證第二條他沒有測照慣例處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
42056.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
42065.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
表決結果﹐在場99人﹐贊成人數43人﹐贊成者少數﹐現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決﹐現在進行重複表決﹐贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手。 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
42101.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
42102.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
3、4、 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
42121.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
42127.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數99人﹐贊成人數43人﹐贊成者少數﹐民進黨黨團提議不通過﹐現在針對高精素美委員徹違提案﹐舉手表決﹐贊成者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
42209.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
42228.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數99人﹐贊成人數56人﹐贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決﹐現在進行重複表決﹐贊成高精素美委員徹回提案﹐贊成者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
42277.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
42292.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
表決結果﹐在場人數99人﹐贊成人數56人﹐贊成者多數﹐高金素美委員徹回提案通過﹐國民黨黨團再修動議及修正動議就不予處理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
42316.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
42318.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
現在進行第8條,請宣讀條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
42322.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
42351.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
國民黨黨團提案第8條下列各稅為國稅一、所得稅二、遺產及贈與稅三、關稅四、營業稅五、戶務稅六、菸酒稅七、證券交易稅八、期貨交易稅前項第一款之所得稅總收入25%第四款之營業稅總收入減除1.5%作為基準經費及依法提撥之統一發票給獎獎金後之全部收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
42351.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
42364.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
及第五款之貨物稅總收入10%．應由中央統籌分配指轄市縣市及鄉鎮市．第一項第二款之遺產及贈餘稅．應以在指轄市徵期之收入50%．給該指轄市．在市徵期之收入80%．給該市．在鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%．給該鄉鎮市 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
42374.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
42382.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
第一項第6款職研究稅．因以其總收入18%．按人口比例．分配直轄市及臺灣省各縣市．2%． |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
42387.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
42407.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
按人口比例分配福建、省、金門及連江二線臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第8條下列各稅為國稅一、所得稅二、遺產及證語稅三、關稅四、營業稅五、貨物稅六、菸酒稅七、證券交易稅八、期貨交易稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
42409.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
42428.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
前項第一環之所得稅之綜合所得稅收入10%﹐應由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市﹐其盈利事業所得稅收入5%﹐應以在直轄市及縣市徵起部分﹐給該直轄市及縣市﹐第一項第二環之遺產及贈與稅﹐應以在直轄市﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
42430.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
42439.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
市及鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%．給該指轄市及鄉鎮市．第1項第4款之營業稅總收入減除1.5%．作為基徵經費及依法提撥之統一發票．給獎獎金後之全部收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
42449.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
42464.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
因由中央統籌分配指辖市及縣市．但超過法定最低稅率所徵收入．其用途除法律另有規定者從其規定外．因由行政院訂定條高徵收率之用途．具以劃分歸屬。 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
42465.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
42489.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
第一項第6款之研究稅﹚在直轄市及臺灣省各縣市徵期收入減除1%﹚作為基徵及查緝經費後之19%﹚因按人口比例分配直轄市及臺灣省各縣市﹚在福建省金門及連江二縣徵期收入減除1%﹚作為基徵及查緝經費後之80%﹚分配給 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
42493.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
42517.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
分配各該縣﹑其餘收入由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市委員高金、宿美等17人提案﹑第8條下列各稅為國稅﹑一、所得稅﹑二、遺產及證語稅﹑三、關稅﹑四、營業稅﹑五、貨物稅﹑六、菸酒稅﹑七、證券交易稅﹑八、期貨交易稅﹑ |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
42518.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
42538.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
前向第一款所得稅之綜合所得稅總收入之20%．應由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市．其盈利事業所得稅總收入之10%．應以在直轄市及縣市徵期部分．給該直轄市及縣市．但以不超過該直轄市政府及縣市政府．自籌裁員之20%為限 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
42540.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
42553.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
第一項第二款是遺產及贈餘稅：因已在直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市徵起之收入60%．給該直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市第一項第四款是營業稅．總收入減除1.5%． |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
42556.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
42575.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
作為積增經費及依法提撥之﹐統一發票﹐給獎獎金後之全部收入﹐應由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市﹐但超過法定最低稅率所繳的收入﹐其用途除法律另有規定者﹐從其規定外﹐應由行政院訂定調高徵收率之用途﹐並據以劃分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
42578.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
42598.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
歸屬第一項第五款之貨物稅總收入10%﹐應由中央同仇分配直轄市及縣市第一項第六款之菸酒稅﹐在直轄市及臺灣省各縣市徵期收入減除1%﹐作為寄生及查緝經費後之19%﹐應按人口比例分配直轄市及臺灣省各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
42602.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
42630.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
在福建省金門及連江二縣徵企收入減除1%﹐作為基徵及查緝經費後至80%﹐分配該縣﹐其餘收入由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市﹐自本法修正施行後﹐每增設一直轄市或準直轄市﹐因此第一項第一環之所得稅總收入﹐增加提撥10%﹐納入統籌分配稅款總額﹐分配直轄市準直轄市及縣市﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
42632.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
42661.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
臺灣民眾黨黨團修正動議第8條下列各稅為國稅﹑一、所得稅﹑二、遺產及贈與稅﹑三、關稅﹑四、營業稅﹑五、貨物稅﹑六、菸酒稅﹑七、證券交易稅﹑八、期貨交易稅。前項第一環節所得稅之綜合所得稅收入10%﹐應由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市﹐其營利事業所得稅收入5%﹐應以在直轄市及縣市徵期部分﹐給該直轄市及縣市。 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
42662.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
42681.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
第一項第二款之遺產及贈餘稅：已在直轄市及鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%．給該直轄市、市及鄉鎮市第一項第四款之營業總收入減除1.5%．作為基深經費及依法提撥之．同意發票給獎獎金後之全部收入． |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
42682.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
42695.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
因由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市．但超過法定最低稅率所徵收入．其用途除法律另有規定者從其規定外．因由行政院訂定條高徵收率之用途．並據以劃分歸屬。 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
42698.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
42726.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
第一項第6款職研九稅﹚在直轄市及臺灣省各縣﹚是徵期收入減除1%﹚作為基深及查緝經費後之19%﹚因按人口比例分配直轄市及臺灣省各縣市﹚在福建省金門及連江二縣﹚徵期收入減除1%﹚作為基深及查緝經費後之80%﹚分配各該縣﹚其餘收入由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
42729.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
42751.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
國民黨黨團修正動議第8條下列各稅為國稅一、所得稅二、遺產及贈與稅三、關稅四、營業稅五、貨物稅六、營業稅七、證券交易稅八、期貨交易稅前項第一款之所得稅總收入25%第四款之營業稅總收入減除1.5%作為基準經費及依法停波值 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
42753.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
42768.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
統一發票給獎獎金後之全部收入．第5款之貨物稅總收入10%．應由中央統籌分配指轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市．第一項、第二款之遺產及贈餘稅．應以在指轄市徵期之收入50%．給該指轄市．在市徵期之收入80%．給該市 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
42774.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
42790.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
在鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%．給該鄉鎮市．第1項第6款之延久稅．應以其總收入18%．按人口比例．分配直轄市及台灣省各縣市．2%．按人口比例．分配福建省金門縣及連江縣． |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
42793.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
42811.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
臺灣民眾黨囊團再修正動議第8條下列各稅為國稅一、所得稅﹑二、遺產及贈與稅﹑三、關稅﹑四、營業稅﹑五、貨物稅﹑六、菸酒稅﹑七、證券交易稅﹑八及貨交易稅前項第一款之所得稅之綜合所得稅收入10% |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
42812.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
42835.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
因由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市﹐其盈利事業所的稅收入5%﹐因已在直轄市及縣市徵期部分﹐給該直轄市及縣市﹐第一項第二環制遺產及贈與稅﹐因已在直轄市、市及鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%﹐給該直轄市、市及鄉鎮市﹐第一項第四環制營業總收入﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
42836.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
42860.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
之營業稅總收入減除1.5%．作為基深經費及依法提撥之．同意發票給獎獎金後之全部收入．應由中央統籌分配指轄市及縣市．但超過法定最低稅率所徵收入．其用途除法律另有規定者從其規定外．應由行政院定定條高徵收率之用途．具以劃分歸屬。 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
42861.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
42890.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
第一項第6款支援9稅：在直轄市及臺灣省各縣市徵期收入減除1%．作為基深及查緝經費後之19%．因按人口比例分配直轄市及臺灣省各縣市．在福建省金門及連江二縣徵期收入減除1%．作為基深及查緝經費後之80%．分配各該縣．其餘收入由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市． |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
42892.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
42912.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
國民黨黨團再修正動議第8條下列各稅為國稅一、所得稅二、遺產及贈與稅三、關稅四、營業稅五、貨物稅六、菸酒稅七、證券交易稅八、期貨交易稅前項第一款之所得稅總收入11%第四款之營業稅總收入減除1.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
42913.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
42936.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
作為基深經費及依法提撥之﹐統一發票給獎獎金後之全部收入﹐及第5款之貨物稅總收入10%﹐應由中央統籌﹐分配直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市﹐第一項、第二款之遺產及贈餘稅﹐應以在直轄市徵期之﹐收入50%﹐給該直轄市﹐在市徵期之﹐收入80%﹐給該市﹐在鄉鎮市徵期之﹐收入80%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
42943.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
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第一項第6款之研究稅．應以其總收入18%．按人口比例分配直轄市及臺灣省各縣市．2%按人口比例分配福建省金門及連江二縣。宣讀完畢報院會現在我們依登記順序發言．並截止登記發言首先我們請吳秉瑞委員請發言 |
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主席我先跟你報告今天除了早上充足之後後面的表情基本上是順利的我們希望麥已經贏得表決台在那邊睡著一直在那邊讚美你所以我們發言的時候如果在旁邊在那邊繼續在那邊誇張你如果無法主持的話我將在這個台上不要下來 |
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我們請吳秉瑞委員發言 敬請所有的委員尊重發言委員的權益各位同仁我們今天在這個地方審財政收支劃分法其實說到錢喔最實際所以也最傷感情 |
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國民黨原來的版本最開始是有台北市保障3%的條款結果這個經過媒體透露之後引起軒然大波我們高雄的柯志恩委員被追問他也說他反對所以他們在更衣的時候這個保留3%給台北市就不見了 |
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就用根二的版本來試算它是原來的版本是營利事業的營業規模佔20%人口佔55%結果這樣的計算結果之下因為新北市人口400萬臺北市人口現在將近250還不到250 |
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一算啦 居然新北市的統籌分配稅款的金額會高於台北市所以馬上再提出今天的更三版本他立刻把營利市內的營利額拉高佔比到30%然後把人口佔比降到45%這樣算下來之後讓台北市所能夠分配的金額能夠比新北市多啦 |
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新北市400萬人口台北市250萬 |
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我們過去就講說我們是廚房臺北市是櫥窗好處占盡結果現在國民黨的版本仍然如此我在這個地方要一一點名啊新北市第一選區的洪孟凱委員以及我們板橋的葉元智委員中和的張志倫委員永和的林德福委員新店的羅明財委員還有 |
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細指的廖宣祥委員：你們難道同意在這樣狀況之下來分配：然後讓臺北市的統籌分配書館：要遠高於我們新北市嗎：回句話要看你選區的選民：他們能夠接受這樣的分配方式嗎：但是顯然你們根本都不知道：然後等一下馬上要表決要通過這個條文了： |
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我覺得這個真的是非常糟糕的一件事情啊版本拿來看全部都是先用結論然後再來處理黃仲凱你如果要選新北市長啊你如果是因為這個表決通過今天這個問題我會從頭到尾追著你一直講啊你可以願意讓250萬人口的台北市統籌分別稅款用一點高於新北市400萬人口這是你要通過的版本 |
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好,謝謝吳秉瑞委員的發言接下來我們請王定宇委員請發言 |
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這個財政收支劃分法從過去25年來歷經王金平院長歷經蘇嘉全院長游錫堃院長到現在韓國瑜院長 |
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當中也經過馬英九政府完全執政也經歷過蔡英文政府完全執政所以持平而論這個法沒有辦法修訂它不是黨派的問題它是一個紮紮實實 |
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他會影響到地方影響到中央運作影響到各行各業所以才會讓我們過去這麼多屆的先進我們在這邊好幾位資深的委員都經歷過為什麼這個法一直沒辦法修訂因為他影響很大應該要細緻的討論可是很遺憾的我們這一次在討論這個法的時候 |
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光今天我們在開會的當下收到的有更正、再更正、修正、再修正還有叉叉板就畫一大堆叉叉的不知道這內容是要幹嘛的 |
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如果我們在場各位的委員你代表的是自己的家鄉自己的縣市甚至於有一些我們優秀的同仁你們要進駐縣市首長我恭喜你們但是這些版本出來難道你不應該找你辦公室的團隊讀一下研究一下它對你們地方的財政建設影響有多大值不值得支持要不要有所調整 |
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我們剛很多同意員都提過了我更期待的是提案的委員八個版本怎麼競合八個版本的提案委員連提案說明都沒有 |
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在委員會的時候我當天去我尊重召委的才事給我程序發言一分鐘當中還打擾我20秒我就在那邊講話我就下來了當時保證第二天會讓我們詢問地方財政首長問一下中央的相關單位會有多少影響第二天一個之後沒有問到 |
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三分鐘就出委員會了應該要細緻討論的這不是黨派問題這應該好好討論就如同武力法委員的第3條列了原住民、原民區完全不影響分配只是展現原住民的地位 |
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卻在這條文裡面不知道為什麼連一個字都沒有我們台南的人口跟彰化我希望彰化好但是彰化跟台南我們是院轄市我們在社會福利公共建設負擔比例比較高我們人口多了六七十萬我們土地面積是兩倍結果這個條文下去我們分配的金額少42億可以嗎 |
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好 謝謝黃定宇委員的發言接下來我們請陳培宇委員請發言 |
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好 謝謝主席我想要先跟現在還在場外的朋友們說謝謝你們辛苦了但是我也要告訴韓院長身為一個院長請問你到底知不知道這個禮拜五在排什麼法案而你們要提的這些法案到底要修的內容是什麼 |
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回到才化法我想要說目前國民黨所提出來的版本根本就是一個荒謬至極的版本根本就是一個短視盡力大撒幣的版本對於台灣整體來說不管是短期長期根本沒有幫助 |
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我不知道所有國民黨還有民眾黨的立法委員們你們未來如果想要選縣市首長拿出這樣的法案去對你們的鄉親真的是可以交代的嗎?我想要舉一個例子如果你們把錢從中央拿到地方那歷來就會變成中央沒有錢 |
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臺灣就會變成小國寡民中央政府本來要處理的資源是整個臺灣要一起考慮的而現在你們不管中央要做的教育工作我想問所有在教育文化委員會的國民黨委員還有民眾黨委員你們對於全臺灣的教育工作你們可以交代嗎 |
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不會只有教育﹚還有交通﹚還有國防﹚還有跨縣市的非常多計劃都需要中央的資源來統籌進行運作而如果按照你們的版本我沒有辦法想像未來這些從中央拿走的錢到地方上你們會願意做相關的事情嗎接下來我要說 |
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在我的左手邊﹐非常多國民黨的立法委員﹐你們是來自於所謂偏鄉地區﹐而你們現在的版本的法案﹐只會讓偏鄉的地方資源越來越少﹐只會讓原本有錢的城市越來越有錢﹐ |
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請問這樣真的是對得起你們選民的版本嗎接下來我要問所有拿到錢的這些人真的知道怎麼好好用這些錢嗎請問國民黨有多少財政破裂破產的縣市過往的 |
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案例歷歷在目．請問未來．拿到這些錢的縣市首長．真的知道怎麼好好用錢嗎．還是只會花錢做綁裝．花錢做相關的活動．但是卻不去考慮基礎的建設．醫療的建設．教育的建設．你們真的對得起所謂相信嗎．接下來我要說 |
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這些案例都只是其中的冰山一角你們做這樣的事情只是在甩鍋如果以後地方的事情沒做好是不是你們又要像你們的傅昆齊大總召一樣只要每次花蓮地震花蓮交通有問題花蓮觀光有問題就只會到中央來拿錢請問你在花蓮縣政府任內你到底做了什麼而你當了這麼多屆花蓮的立法委員你又為花蓮做了什麼謝謝 |
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謝謝陳培宇委員接下來請陳冠廷委員請發言再一次拜託我們議場保持肅靜我們尊重發言委員的權益請陳冠廷委員 |
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各位同仁大家好今天在不知不覺間我不知道我們這個國民黨的這個裁判法已經到了更事半 |
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這麼重要的這一種支援的分配的法案條子一直在從業然後又實施測案非常的混亂齁整個過程中我覺得很遺憾就是說竟然會在這個大會、院會裡面來做不經過討論只是這樣子的對話是我們跟民眾的對話甚至不是我們跟在野黨的對話這是我覺得非常遺憾的再來我們知道說這一次的這個採劃法重點是在什麼分配 |
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分配就是要把資源投注到需要的地方如果我們讓首都一直更好我們如果只讓六都更好那就沒有辦法達成均衡台灣的目標我們加一線是農業線對於農業線來說如果你們用按照營利事業作為指標分配如果你們用按照產業稅、成長稅這個分配而且都是相當高的這個percent的話 |
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那對於我們這些偏鄉來說對於我們這些弱勢縣市來說有什麼樣的幫助呢?所以我們一直在強調的是不是讓好的人更好而是讓每一個縣市都有機會更好不是讓一個縣市走十步而是讓每一個縣市都向前走一步這就是均衡台灣的目標這也是我們在做分配的時候一定要注重的目標 |
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一個國家﹐它的好﹐它的強﹐不在於一個城市﹐它的建設有多高端﹐摩天大樓有多多﹐而是在於它怎麼對應弱勢的縣市﹐做合理的財政安排﹐ |
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| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
本院委員蔡英文議員 |
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本院委員長 |
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對民主來說屬人頭它只是一個必要條件它不是全部的條件我們需要的是審議式的民主所以在國防外交委員會我也很感謝在我們後面的這些國防外交委員會的委員們國民黨的委員們給我們一條一條的審 |
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表示說這樣的機制是可以成功的我是很期望不管是在我們的才化法也好或者是未來的任何法案也好還是回到委員會中心主義我們一條一條重新做下來再好好談謝謝各位謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言接下來請陳秀寶委員請發言 |
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謝謝主席在我發言的同時我也要像現在還在場外集結關心我們所有立院發展的朋友們跟你們說一聲謝謝你們在這麼寒冷的天氣有你們的陪伴 |
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有關中央政策經費來源的採劃法在這麼倉促的這樣的情況之下就要來院會處理其中也大而的將中央的預算分配給地方政府中央挪出來的預算給地方政府之後有關全民的福利政策經費要從何而來 |
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包括我們的育兒津貼﹑我們的長照預算﹑我們要解免公私立大學的學費差距方案﹑我們的PPAS通勤月票﹑老農津貼﹑國防預算﹑我們的精創計劃、太空科技甚至是說﹑我也要問說﹑在場的國民黨的教文委員會的委員們﹑我們一起努力的通過了學福法﹑ |
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將來要徵聘專輔人員．以及專輔教師這些經費．你們會不會跟我一樣擔心．這些預算．這些經費哪裡來．中央所在推行的各福利政策．會大大的受到影響． |
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財化法要修．是要充分的討論之後．才能做合理的調整．在擔任議員的時候．對於地方政府如何增加財源．也曾經陪同縣長．來到中央表達希望修法．以各縣市的人口結構．產業結構來做合理的分配． |
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但是這次的修法如此倉促沒有討論就出委財政委員會的召委原本答應讓各縣市政府派員參與之後充分討論但是後來卻食言了三分鐘就出委員會根本沒有尊重委員沒有尊重地方政府的聲音跟意見 |
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在我的選區﹐福興、鹿港、秀水、河美、深港、縣西﹐有很多項的跨縣式的建設是中央統籌的﹐例如河美大橋﹐還有美港公路高架化﹐尤其是這個美港公路高架化的預算經費﹐我爭取了5年﹐好不容易才核定﹐ |
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這些都是非常重要的地方建設但是國民黨的財化法一旦通過之後這些重要的地方建設都將因為經費問題可能會停擺可能會延宕尤其是美港公路有關於我們地區的交通的需求還有人民交通的安全 |
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所以我希望國民黨跟民眾黨不要讓人民的安全來滿足你們自己失控的這個權利欲望尤其是我們彰化縣彰化縣農業工業並重所以我們反對所謂的首都條款我們也反對以營業稅為重因為很多工廠設在彰化可是其實他們公司設立在台北市這對我們彰化縣非常的不公平 |
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我要再一次說﹐農業縣市的農民朋友需要更多細緻的討論﹐我們需要更合理的規劃﹐不是你們藍白兩黨說的就算﹐這對我們彰化縣不公。 |
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主席、各位同仁還有在立法院外正在看直播的朋友大家午安那還有我也要特別跟這個我們從早上一早到現在都沒有休息的議事人員說一聲辛苦了也謝謝你們那剛剛我們已經有懇求院長讓我們的議事人員稍作休息可是我們覺得非常的遺憾我們的院長 |
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居然沒有答應我剛剛還有看到議事委員坐在那裡拍打自己的身體因為真的一直坐著其實是非常的不舒服的OK好我今天呢其實跟很多委員一樣看到桌上桌上我想應該有八份的這個一修再修的這個修正動議我也覺得非常非常的這個錯愕尤其我還看到民眾黨的有一份修正動議 |
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通篇都是打XX每一篇都是打XX那這表示什麼呢這表示什麼呢 |
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這表示草率立法真的是完全沒有準備好居然可以通篇都打叉叉而且這個修正動議是一修再修那當然這個才化法25年沒有修當然是可以來做討論可是就是要做實質討論不能像今天我們用舉手 |
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投票方式選罷法通過非常有爭利的憲法訴訟法 |
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判判憲法法庭的這個憲法訴訟法這麼重大的法案我們也是隨隨便便舉手表決然後呢三讀通過那當然這個有關於幾千億的這個才化法我們今天絕對不能夠用舉手表決來通過 |
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財化法20幾年沒有修﹑確實應該來做討論﹑到底是要水平分配﹑或者是垂直分配﹑其實都可以討論﹑可是 |
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到目前為止竟然送到我們這個大院來準備要表決我們居然沒有做實質的討論我們真的非常的遺憾我們這一屆從上個會期開始到這個會期我們很多法案重大法案居然是用這種表決非常粗魯的方式來做通過 |
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上次我們有跟陳玉珍莊委說因為財化法是攸關於這個地方的財源所以我們有要求就是一定要邀請這個地方政府來跟我們一起來做討論跟溝通好了我們的陳玉珍 |
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一方的這個政務長來討論：但卻不讓人家討論：我覺得這是非常糟糕的一個方式：陳其脈：市長曾經說：他對市民的經驗：若干在市民的心態：市長被騙：全國的財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財政財 |
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好,謝謝羅美玲委員的發言。報告議會第8條,照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過,有無異議。有異議,我們現在進行表決,請清點人數。 |
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報告院會現在在場委員人數100位委員我們現在有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手應該是現在43個有的 |
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報告院會現在報告表決結果在場100位贊成43位贊成者少數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告委員會在場人員100位委員,贊成45位,重複表決結果,贊成者少數,民進黨黨團提議不通過。我們現在進行第8條舉手表決,贊成台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文,請舉手。 |
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太過分了 |
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法定人數不足 |
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國民黨現場人數不夠,國民黨上只有42個選手 |
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報言會在場委員100位．贊成者8位．台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文．少數不通過報言會現在我們處理國民黨團第8條．再修正動議條文．請議事人員清點人數 |
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報告委員會我們現場委員人數95位我們現在表決國民黨團再修正動議第8條條文現由民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決我們針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨團提議請舉手 |
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法定人數不足 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案：同意權之行使事項．公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文修正草案。 |
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報告委員會現在在場委員95位表決贊成人數45位贊成者少數不通過我們現在有民進黨黨團提議重復表決我們現在進行重復表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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報院會在場委員95位贊成46位贊成者少數不通過報院會現在進行第8條舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議條文贊成者請舉手 |
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法院會報告現在在場委員95位贊成者48位贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團條文請舉手 |
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包括重複表決結果．在場委員95位．表決贊成人數48位．贊成者多數．第8條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過我們現在進行第12條．請宣讀條文 |
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國民黨黨團提案第12條下列各稅為指狹市及縣市稅一、土地稅包括下列各稅一、地價稅二、填付三、土地增值稅二、房屋稅三、使用牌照稅四、契稅五、印花稅六、娛樂稅七、特別稅課前項第一款第一目之地價稅現應已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入 |
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百分之三十給該鄉鎮市．百分之二十由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市．第二目之填付．縣應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入全部給該鄉鎮市．第一項第二款之房屋稅．縣應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入百分之四十給該鄉鎮市．百分之二十由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市．第一項第四款之契稅．縣應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入百分之八十．給該鄉鎮市． |
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20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市．第1項第6款之娛樂稅．縣應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入．全部給該鄉鎮市．第1項第7款之特別稅課．指適應地方自治之需要．經議會立法課徵之稅．但不得以以徵戶稅或菸酒稅之貨物為課徵對象 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第12條下列各稅為指轄市及縣市稅﹑一、土地稅﹑包括下列各稅﹑一、地價稅﹑二、填付﹑三、土地增值稅﹑二、房屋稅﹑三、使用牌照稅﹑四、契稅﹑五、櫻花稅﹑六、娛樂稅﹑七、特別稅課﹑ |
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前向第一款第一募資地價稅﹐現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入30%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市﹐第二募資填付﹐現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入全部給該鄉鎮市﹐ |
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第一項第二款之房屋稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入40%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市第一項第四款之契稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市第一項第六款之娛樂稅﹐第一項 |
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現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入全部給該鄉鎮市第一項第7款之特別稅課只適應地方自治之需要經立法機關立法課徵之稅但不得以以徵貨物稅或菸酒稅之貨物為課徵對象 |
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委員高津、宿美等17人提案第12條下列各稅為指向市及縣市稅﹑一、土地稅﹑包括下列各稅﹑一、地價稅﹑二、填付﹑三、土地增值稅﹑二、房屋稅﹑三、使用牌照稅﹑四、寄稅﹑五、櫻花稅﹑六、娛樂稅﹑七、特別稅課 |
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前項第一款第一目之低價稅﹑現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之﹑收入30%﹑給該鄉鎮市﹑20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市﹑第二目之填付﹑現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之﹑收入全部給該鄉鎮市﹑第一項第二款之房屋稅﹑現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之﹑收入40%﹑給該鄉鎮市﹑20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市﹑第一項第四款之契稅 |
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縣應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%．給該鄉鎮市．20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市．第1項第6款是娛樂稅．縣應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入．全部給該鄉鎮市．第1項第7款是特別稅課．只適應地方自治之需要．經立法機關立法課徵之稅．但不得以已徵貨物稅或燕酒稅之貨物為課徵對象． |
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委員葉元芝等19人提案第12條下列各稅為主銷事極限式稅﹐一、土地稅﹐包括下列各稅﹐一、地價稅﹐二、填付﹐三、土地增值稅﹐二、房屋稅﹐三、使用牌照稅﹐四、汽稅﹐五、銀花稅﹐六、娛樂稅﹐七、特別稅課 |
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前向第一款第一目是地價稅﹑現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之﹑收入30%﹑給該鄉鎮市﹑20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市﹑第二目是填付﹑現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之﹑收入全部給該鄉鎮市﹑ |
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第一項第二款之房屋稅﹐現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入40%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市第一項第四款之契稅﹐現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市第一項第六款之娛樂稅﹐現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入全部﹐給該鄉鎮市 |
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第一項第7款之特別稅課只適應地方自治之需要經立法機關立法課徵之稅但不得以以徵貨物稅或菸酒稅之貨物為課徵對象 |
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國民黨黨團修正動議第12條下列各稅為指轄市及縣市稅﹑一、土地稅﹑包括下列各稅﹑一、地價稅﹑二、填付﹑三、土地增值稅﹑二、房屋稅﹑三、使用牌照稅﹑四、寄稅﹑五、櫻花稅﹑六、娛樂稅﹑七、特別稅課 |
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前項第一款第一募資地價稅﹑現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入30%﹑給該鄉鎮市﹑20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市第二募資填付﹑現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入全部﹑給該鄉鎮市第一項第二款之房屋稅﹑現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之收入40%﹑給該鄉鎮市﹑20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市 |
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第一項第4款之契稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入80%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市﹐第一項第6款之輿論稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入全部給該鄉鎮市﹐第一項第7款之特別稅課﹐只適應地方自治之需要﹐經議會立法課徵之稅﹐但不得以以徵或無稅或延久稅之或無為課徵對象之 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第12條下列各稅為指狹市及縣市稅﹑一、土地稅﹑包括下列各稅﹑一、地價稅﹑二、填付﹑三、土地增值稅﹑二、房屋稅﹑三、使用牌照稅﹑四、汽稅﹑五、銀花稅﹑六、娛樂稅﹑七、特別稅課﹑ |
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前項第一款第一目是地價稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入30%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市第二目是填付﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入全部給該鄉鎮市第一項第二款是房屋稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入40%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市 |
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第一項第4款之契稅﹐現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之﹐收入80%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%﹐由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市第一項第6款之娛樂稅﹐現應以在鄉鎮市徵期之﹐收入全部﹐給該鄉鎮市第一項第7款之特別稅課﹐只適應地方自治之需要﹐並經議會立法課徵之稅﹐但不得以以徵或無稅或延久稅之﹐或無為課徵對象宣讀完畢 |
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報告委員會現在依照登記順序發言並截止登記首先我們請賴瑞隆委員發言請何欣淳委員準備 |
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各位關心台灣未來的朋友們大家晚安我想心情非常沉重這次國民黨所主導的財政收支劃分法基本上就是走回了縱北傾南的老路過去以來台灣因為縱北傾南而讓所有的人跟所有資源往 |
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中南部越來越弱 |
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科之恩擔任智庫執行長所推出來的草案裏面就提到了臺北市獨佔3%的一個同酬分配款就看得出來國民黨的思維跟智庫的思維而到了委員會裏面審查財政委員會審查的時候一樣3分鐘出的版本一樣是臺北市獨佔3%的這樣的版本他一樣沒有拿掉一樣是站在裏面 |
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而到了草履協商沒有經過草履協商到今天進來之後處理的方式因為被罵了被批評了所以趕快把這個臺北市獨佔3%拿掉但是他用什麼方式來平衡他把原來的營業稅的部分從原來過去的15%加到了30% |
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也就是說 大家都知道 全台灣公司在台北開的最多 但是有可能都是蓋在地方我剛剛舉個例子 光台電是對典型的例子三家大電廠全部在高雄發電 全部在高雄污染40%的電中送北送 但是台電總公司設在台北營業稅交給台北 算在台北的帳上 在這種下 |
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繼續延續重北青藍政策加大臺北的力道我們認為這是守回重北青藍老物這是一個錯誤的財務分配同時間更加傷害中南部人民的情感同時間在人口的分配比喻上也是如此他把人口當作是一個重要的分配比例而這份比例只會讓強者越強弱者越弱我們知道 |
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新北、台北都是大都會的已經有更多人口全部多數人都是從中南部移到大台北地區未來這樣的趨勢只會讓大者越大弱者越弱大的他的資源越多未來分配的資源越多繼續吸引更多人口繼續造成更大的一個都會的狀況而中南部更加的吃緊所以我們認為這是一個錯誤的配置的方式這樣的採換法 |
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不僅6千多億的配置有相當大的問題同時間加劇了未來南北的差距讓中南部更來有發展機會讓未來更多資源擠入台北我們強烈的反對這樣的一個修法的方式我們認為應該回到委員會內好好討論所有的方式不要去傷害到其他縣市的一個權益我們再次強調如果國民黨所主導的財化法一樣是獨厚台北重北清南的話 |
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臺灣人民絕不接受,同時用我們政告柯之恩,如果你制下法案的話,你在高雄講到哪裡,我就抓你,你罵到哪裡? |
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謝謝院長那還是要再說一次財政收支劃分法不是不能修但要怎麼修要如何能夠兼顧各方而且不同的縣市有不同的問題不同的新生縣市規模縣市人口縣市土地面積縣市的產業特性等等這些都是必須要仔仔細細的去考量 |
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公職人員選舉罷免法部分條 |
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各版本的財政劃分周知劃分法每一個版本裡面其實是蠻囉嗤而且非常非常的倉促除了在財政委員會三分鐘初委員會那也沒有給列席的這個地方首長充分的討論或者是充分的發言讓他們發表地方 |
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政府的心聲希望財政收支劃分法可以怎麼分配或者是希望譬如說在我們蔡英文總統時代對於中央統籌分配款的分配稅款的分配公式事實上是有做調整那我們也應該可以更進一步的在修法的同時好好的把這個分配公式分配比例大家坐下來談清楚這個配套是必要的 |
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這一個過程也是必要的但是我們在這一次的修法過程裡面都沒有看到而在每一個版本裡面我們目前都只看到強調了這個裁員的分配沒有強調事權 |
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沒有強調事權：多出來的這些資金：財政使用的職責：還有它的規範：到底在哪裡：通通都沒有討論：所以這一次的修法我們看到：分配不公平：剛剛前幾位委員都講得很清楚：事權不統一：因為根本沒有談 |
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3、配套根本沒有處理,因為也根本沒有談。我們在委員會沒有談,草野協商也沒有談。實質的內容,到目前為止,我再強調一次,各個版本到底有沒有試算過?我剛剛問過了,到底各個版本裡面,我來自的台中市, |
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江副院長來自的台中市到底能夠分配到多少每個版本有沒有試算過有沒有精算過我們現場的委員們到底知不知道這個都是我們在修法過程裡面必須要做下來好好討論的包括法條的內容它的文字到底是不是精準合適都要討論如果沒有充分的討論就不是民主 |
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謝謝何新淳委員的發言接下來我們請張雅玲委員請發言 |
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首先 院長我想先提醒你一件事情就是根據勞基法第35條的規定勞工繼續工作4小時就應該有30分鐘的休息我擔心您處罰所以因為你的議事人員已經從早工作到晚我們到現在議事人員都還沒有休息所以我希望一個溫馨的提醒給您接下來在我發言之後是不是可以來 |
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省慎的思考：來讓我們的議事人員：可以暫時依據勞基法的規定：有一個休息的時間那再來呢：我也希望院長呢：在我發言的期間：可以控制陳玉珍的發言：不要阻擾我的時間時間暫停拜託一下各位委員：尊重一下發言委員權益好嗎：再一次拜託大家謝謝 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝院長那首先呢,我想要先對我們在外面的群眾表達感謝我知道有非常多的在現場的家長是從早上就帶著他的嬰兒背著他的孩子來到了現場關心立法院發生了什麼事情 |
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我也知道有非常多的家長是在5點半小孩下課之後呢帶著孩子一起來到立法院想要來關注立法院的事情所以針對我們現在的才化法呢我簡單做個說明讓我們在外面的家長呢有一個清楚的了解知道對我們的影響到底是什麼簡單來說這個才化法就是把中央的預算一大塊挖給我們的各縣市政府 |
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但是到底國民黨的版本或是民眾黨的版本他們要怎麼挖要拿多少錢要怎麼做這些事情我們沒有人知道到今天也還是一個謎因為從之前是6000多億到今天是3000多那到底怎麼分配現在完全是不清楚的一件事情會不會影響到我們現在的少子女化對策脫嬰脫幼的預算縮水 |
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不讓我們大家的負擔年輕的爸媽的負擔更加沉重或者是說會不會影響到我們公司立高中的學免學費的一個補助或者是說我們最近的地震風災造成了我們的校園老舊建物需要做一些收算的補助經費會不會因此而有所減少讓我們的孩子的安全有到有遭受這個疑慮 |
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從此長照2.0也會受到影響需要照顧的長輩無處可去三明治世代的壓力更為沉重社會安全網也無法增加到底拿了這些錢在被國民黨聯手不討論亂修改的狀況之下 |
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主席 |
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國民黨黨團提議停止討論請問院會有無異議有異議我們現在請議事人員清點人數 |
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現在在場總共共計94位現由民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決我們針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告院會我們出席者94位贊成民進黨黨團提議44位贊成者少數報告院會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議者請舉手 |
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國民黨黨團提議不通過。現在針對國民黨黨團提議停止討論,進行表決。 |
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法院會我們現在報告表決結果在場94位表決贊成48位贊成者多數現由民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告委員會報告表決結果重複表決在場委員94位贊成者48位贊成者多數我們宣告停止討論通過請問議員會第12條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過有無異議有無異議 |
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現在有異議我們現在進行表決現有民進黨黨團提議採用點名表決針對是否採用點名表決我們現在進行舉手表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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報告委員會在場委員就是4位贊成45位贊成者少數報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手 |
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法院會報告在場委員總數94位我們贊成者45位贊成者少數民進黨團體不通過現在我們進行第12條舉手表決贊成國民黨團再修正動議條文贊成者請舉手 |
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報告委員會我們在場委員94位表決贊成者50位贊成者多數報告委員會現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團體條文請舉手 |
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報告委員會在場94位贊成人數50位贊成者多數第12條我們照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文在修正動議條文通過我們大家一起休息15分鐘 |
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好 報告院會現在我們繼續開會進行16條之一請宣讀條文 |
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國民黨黨團提案第16條之一﹐第8條第二項規定之稅客統籌分配部分﹐因本透明化及公平化一方式分配之﹐受分配地方政府就分得部分﹐應列為當年度稅客收入﹐依第8條第二項規定﹐由中央統籌分配直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市之款項﹐應以總額94%列為普通統籌分配稅款﹐其餘6%列為特別統籌分配稅款﹐ |
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因公為之應受．分配地方政府緊急．及其他重大事項所需經費．由行政院依實際情形．分配之普通統籌分配稅款案．下列方式分配．可供分配稅款15%．依非直轄市之縣市．最近3年度申報．所得額平均數為基準．分配與各縣市．各該縣市平均所得額．獲配數計算公式如下 |
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各該縣市轄區內之人口數乘全部縣市最近三年度每人平均申報所得而除各該縣市最近三年度每人平均所得而除全部縣市依前數括弧內算定數之合計數 |
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二、可供分配款項11%．不分直轄市及各縣市均分．三、可供分配款項67%．按人口比例分配直轄市、縣市．並定額提撥直轄市人口數最高者．獲配數之2%之金額．由直轄市人口數在300萬人以上者．按其人口比例分擔． |
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．並將該款項平均分配金門縣．連江縣及澎湖縣．四、可供分配稅款百分之四．分配鄉鎮市．其分配方式應參酌鄉鎮市．正式編制人員．人事費及基本建設需求行行．嚴定公室分配各鄉鎮市．五、鑑於臺北市身為首都．保留可供分配款項百分之三與臺北市． |
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6、受分配之直轄市、縣市或鄉鎮市﹐其分配金額較修法前一年度分配金額﹐減少者之全部差短數﹐以特別統籌分配稅款之應 |
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一、前項算定分配各該直轄市﹐縣市及鄉鎮市之金額﹐財政部應按次一年度﹐中央統籌分配稅款推估數﹐涉算分配各該直轄市及縣市之金額﹐於會計年度開始4個月前﹐通知各該直轄、縣市及鄉鎮市政府。 |
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一、第12條第二項至第4項規定：由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項：因本條既財政營需原則：由縣政府訂定分配辦法：其中以公室分配之款項：不得低於可供分配總額之90%：依公室設算分配各該鄉鎮市之金額：應於會計年度3個月前通知各該鄉鎮市公所 |
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委員賴瑞榮等16人提案．第16條至1．第8條第2項及第12條第2項．至第4項規定之稅客統籌分配部分．因本透明化及公式化原則分配之．受分配地方政府就分得部分．應列為當年度稅客收入．稅客由中央統籌分配之下是．縣市及鄉鎮市之款項 |
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其分配辦法應依下列各款之規定．由財政部洽商中央主計機關及受分配地方政府後擬定．報請行政院核定。一、第八條第二項規定．由中央統籌分配直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市之款項．以總額6%列為特別統籌分配稅款．其餘94%列為普通統籌分配稅款． |
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因各以一定比例分配直轄市縣市及鄉鎮市．二、依第12條第二項後段規定．由中央統籌分配縣市之款項．應全部列為普通統籌分配稅款．分配縣市．二、第一款之特別統籌分配稅款． |
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因公為致應受分配地方政府緊急．及其他重大事項所需經費．由行政院依實際情形分配之．四、第一款之普通統籌分配稅款．算定可供分配直轄市之稅款向後．因參酌受分配直轄市．以前年度營收事業營業額．財政能力． |
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配合國家政策設置高污染產業情形．且空氣污染指數較高．與其轄區內人口及土地面積等因素．嚴定公式分配各職轄市．五、第一款及第二款之普通統籌分配稅款．算定可供分配縣市之款項後．下列方式分配各縣市 |
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一、可供分配款項85%,因依近三年度受分配縣市之基準財政需要額減基準財政收入額之差額平均值,算定各縣市間因分配之比率分配之。 |
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算定之分配比率．每三年應檢討調整一次．二、可供分配款項15%．應依各縣市轄區內營利事業營業額．配合國家整體經濟建設．設置高污染產業情形．算定各縣市間應分配之．比率分配之．六、第一款之普通統籌分配稅款．算定可供分配鄉鎮市之款項後．應參酌鄉鎮市． |
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正式編制人員人事費及基本建設需求情形嚴定公式分配各項正式前項第4款所稱財政能力第5款第1目所稱基準財政需要額與基準財政收入額之合計標準及計算方式應於依前項所定之分配辦法中明定對於福建省金門縣及連江縣並應另予考量 |
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一、第12條、第二項至第4項規定．由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項．應本條紀財政營需原則．由縣政府定定分配辦法．其中依公室分配之款項．不得低於可供分配總額之90%． |
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委員蔡易宇等16人提案．第16條之一．第8條第二項及第12條第二項．至第4項規定之稅客統籌分配部分．因本透明化及公式化原則分配之．受分配地方政府就分得部分．應列為當年度稅客收入．稅客由中央統籌分配直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮 |
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相正式之款項：其分配辦法應依下列各款之規定．由財政部洽商中央主計機關．及受分配地方政府後擬定．報請行政院核定．第1、1、第8條第二項規定．由中央統籌分配直轄市．縣市及相正式之款項． |
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因以總額6%列為特別統籌分配稅款．其餘94%列為普通統籌分配稅款．因各以一定比例分配直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市．但為確保糧食安全與供水穩定原則．在《國土計劃法國土功能劃分分類》．中的農業發展地區第一類．第二類及國土保育區第一類．應優先 |
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各以一定比例分配指轄市﹐縣市及鄉鎮市﹐補足基本財政需要。二、依第12條第二項後段規定﹐由中央統籌分配縣市之款項﹐應全部列為普通統籌分配稅款﹐分配縣市。二、第一款之特別統籌分配稅款﹐ |
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公為之應受分配地方政府緊急．及其他重大事項所需經費．由行政院依實際情形分配之．四、第一款之普通同酬分配稅款．算定可供分配直轄市之款項後．因參酌受分配直轄市．以前年度營收事業營業額．財政能力與其轄區內．人口及土地面積等因素．嚴定公式分配各直轄市 |
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第一款及第二款之普通統籌分配稅款﹐算定可供分配縣市之款項後﹐依下列方式分配縣市﹐依可供分配款項85%﹐因依近三年度受分配縣市之基準﹐ |
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財政需要額減基準財政收入額之差額平均值﹐算定各縣市間應分配之比率分配之﹐算定之分配比率﹐每三年應檢討調整一次﹐二、可供分配款項15%﹐應依各縣市轄區內盈利事業營業額﹐算定各縣市間應分配之比率分配之﹐六、第一款之普通統籌分配稅款﹐ |
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算定可供分配鄉鎮市之款項後：因參酌鄉鎮市正式編制人員：人事費及基本建設需求情形：嚴定公室分配各鄉鎮市。前項第4款所稱財政能力：第5款第1目所稱基準財政需要額：與基準財政收入額之合計標準及計算方式：應於依前項所定之分配辦法中明定。 |
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．對於福建省金門縣及連江縣．並應另予考量．依第12條第二項至第4項規定．由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項．因本條計財政營需原則．由縣政府擬定分配辦法．其中依公式分配之款項．不得低於可供分配總額之90% |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第16條之一﹐第8條第2項﹐第4項﹐第5項﹐及第12條第2項﹐至第4項規定之稅客統籌分配部分﹐因本透明化及公式化原則分配之﹐受分配的地方政府就分得部分﹐應列為當年度稅客收入﹐依第8條第2項﹐第4項﹐及第5項規定﹐由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市之款項﹐以下簡稱中央統籌分配款﹐ |
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其分配辦法應由中央主管機關、學者專家及地方政府共同組成之中央統籌分配稅款分配委員會擬定委員會之職責組成及運作方式等由行政院定之。依第12條第2項至第4項規定由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項以下簡稱 |
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現統籌分配稅款：其分配規定：由縣政府本條紀財政營區原則：並洽商鄉鎮市公所後定之：其中依公視分配之款項：不得低於可供分配總額之90%：依公視涉算分配：各該鄉鎮市之金額：應於會計年度開始3個月前：通知各該鄉鎮市公所：中統籌分配 |
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稅款應以總額98%列為普通統籌分配稅款：其餘2%列為特別統籌分配稅款：特別統籌分配稅款：因本公開透明原則辦理分配：並按禁公佈收支明細及傑存行刑：在依本法鎖定程序動之前：得作為協助地方政府財務調度所需財源 |
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委員高金素梅等17人提案第16條之一中央統籌分配稅款應以總額98%例為普通統籌分配稅款其餘2%列為特別統籌分配稅款普通統籌分配稅款應按本法第4條之指標設算分配公式並以下列方式分配直轄市及縣市一、普通統籌分配稅款總額92% |
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按公式分配：以下簡稱按公式分配總額：因依下列規定：計算各該直轄市及縣市：因分配之比率分配之：優先彌補各該直轄市及縣市：基準財政需要額：減基準財政收入額之差額：其中縣所轄鄉鎮市之：基準財政需要額：減基準財政收入額之：差額並入各該縣計算：二、依前幕設算：分配後之：剩餘款 |
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之80%,應依各直轄市及縣市﹐最有力指標公式分配﹐其指標及計算方式﹐應於依前條第二項所定之分配辦法中定之。﹐三,依第一目涉算分配後之﹐剩餘款項之20%﹐應參酌各該直轄市及縣市﹐財政努力及績效分配﹐其指標及計算方式﹐應依前條第二項所定之分配辦法中定之。 |
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二、普通統籌分配稅款總額6%．用以彌補分配年度．各該直轄市及縣市．依下列方式計算之差短金額．如有不足．得以第三項之特別統籌分配稅款墊之．如有剩餘．經扣除應電環特別統籌分配稅款．墊之款項後與以後年度．加入前款依公式分配總額分配之 |
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一、各該直轄市及縣市短差金額細指一、遣款涉算或配置中央統籌分配款及第27條第一項規定或配置一般性補助款加計稅收分成調整影響數後之合計數 |
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年度至年度以下簡稱基準年度中．各年度中央普通統籌分配稅款．與一般性補助款及依加值型．及非加值型一頁稅法．第11條第6項規定之專案．補助款和寄宿平均只之短少金額．其中先是縣、所、轄、鄉、鎮市．於基準年期或配以上數款項．並入各該縣計算． |
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二、前目規定核算差短金額時﹐不應將各該地方政府﹐全民健康保險費補助款﹐及勞工保險費補助款﹐改由中央負擔﹐後至各該地方政府﹐應負擔款項減少﹐至影響數納入計算﹐特別統籌分配稅款﹐應公為致應每年度﹐三地相及直轄市﹐ |
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原住民區所需經費．受分配直轄市及縣市緊急．及重大事項所需經費．第二項第二款所稱之．稅收分成調整影響數．此本法中華民國．全年、全月、全日修正之條文施行後．各該地方政府遺產及贈與稅．燕酒稅及土地增值稅等收入增減數．其合計方式應於依前條第二項所定之．分配辦法中定之．該直轄市及縣市．努力開闢自治財源至提高其． |
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財政自主程度者與一、第二項．第二款規定．訂定財政努力之指標．及計算方式時．應納入考量．一、第二項．第一款．與第二款．及第三期條第四項．算定．分配各該直轄市及縣市之．比率及金額．財政部應按次一年度．中央統籌分配稅款推估數．設順分配各該直轄市及縣市之金額．與會計年度開始四個月前．通知各該直轄市及縣市政府 |
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台灣民眾黨修正動議第16條之一第8條第2項、第4項、第5項及第12條第2項之第4項規定之稅客統籌分配部分因本透明化及公式化原則分配之受分配地方政府就分得部分應列為當年度稅客收入依第8條第2項、第4項及第5項規定由中央統籌分配直下市及縣市之款項以下簡稱中央統籌分配稅款 |
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其分配辦法應由中央儲管機關．專家學者及地方政府共同組成之．中央統籌分配稅款．分配委員會擬定．委員會之職責組成及運作方式．等由行政院定之．依第12條第二項至第4項規定．由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項．以下簡稱縣統籌分配稅款．其分配規則由縣政府本條紀財政營需原則．並恰相鄉鎮市公所後定之．其中依公式分配之款項． |
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不得低於可供分配總額之90%依公示設算分配．該相正式之金額．應於會計年度開始三個月前．通知各該相正式工作．中央統籌分配稅款．應以總額98%列為普通統籌分配稅款．其餘2%列為特別統籌分配稅款．特別統籌分配稅款．應本公開透明原則辦理分配．並按既公佈收支明細． |
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結純情形．在依本法鎖定程序動之前．得作為協助地方政府．財務調度所需財源 |
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國民黨黨團修正動議第16條之一．第8條第二項規定之稅客統籌分配部分．因本透明化及公平化依方式分配之．受分配地方政府就分得部分．應列為當年度稅客收入．依第8條第二項規定．由中央統籌分配直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市之款項．以總額94%列為普通統籌分配稅款．其餘6%列為特別統籌分配稅款． |
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因公為之應受分配．地方政府緊急及其他重大事項所需經費．由行政院依實際情形分配之．不論統籌分配稅款．按下列方式分配．可供分配稅款15%．依非直轄市之縣市．最近3年度申報所得額．平均數為基準．分配與各縣市．各該縣市平均所得額．獲配數．計算公式如下 |
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各該縣市轄區內之人口數乘﹐全部縣市最近3年度每人平均申報所得額﹐除各該縣市最近3年度每人平均所得額﹐除全部縣市依前數瓜湖內算定數之合計數﹐二、可供分配款項11%﹐不分直轄市及各縣市均分支﹐三、可供分配款項67%﹐按人口比例分配直轄市、縣市﹐並定額提撥直轄市人口數最高者﹐獲配數之2%之金額﹐ |
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由直轄市人口數在300萬人以上者﹐按其人口平均分擔﹐並將該款項平均分配金門縣﹐連江縣及澎湖縣﹐是可供分配款項4%﹐分配鄉鎮市﹐其分配方式應參酌鄉鎮市正式編制人員﹐人事費及基本建設需求行刑﹐ |
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嚴定公室分配各鄉鎮市五、鑒於臺北市身為首都﹐保留可供分配款項3%於臺北市六、受分配之直轄市、縣市或鄉鎮市﹐其分配金額較修法前一年度分配金額減少者之全部差短數﹐以特別統籌分配稅款之意﹐依前項﹐ |
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算定分配各該直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市之金額。財政部依按次一年度﹐中央統籌分配稅款推估數﹐涉算分配各該直轄市及縣市之金額﹐於會計年度開始4個月前﹐通知各該直轄、縣市及鄉鎮市政府。 |
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一、第12條第二項至第4項規定．由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項．本條計財政營需原則．由縣政府訂定分配辦法．其中依公視分配之款項．不得低於可供分配總額之90%．依公視涉算分配各該鄉鎮市之金額．依於會計年度開始3個月前．通知各該鄉鎮市公所 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議第16條之一．第8條第2項．第4項．第5項及第12條．第2項至第4項規定之稅客統籌分配部分．因本透明化及公式化原則分配之．受分配地方政府就分得部分．因列為當年度稅客收入．依第8條第2項．第4項及第5項規定．由中央統籌分配直轄市及縣市之款項．以下簡稱中央統籌分配稅款 |
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其分配部分．其分配辦法．應由中央主管機關．專家學者及地方政府共同組成之．中央統籌分配稅款．分配委員會擬定．委員會之職者組成及運作方式等．由行政院定之．依第12條第二項之第4項規定．由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項．以下簡稱縣統籌分配稅款．其分配規定．由縣政府本條契財政需．營需原則．並洽商鄉鎮市公所後定之．其中依公式分配之款項． |
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．不得地與可供分配總額90%．依公示設算分配．各該鄉鎮市之金額．應於會計年度開始3個月前．通知各該鄉鎮市公所．中央統籌分配稅款．應以總額98%．立為普通統籌分配稅款． |
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其餘2%立為特別統籌分配稅款．特別統籌分配稅款．因本公開透明原則辦理分配．並按既公佈收支明細及結存情形．再依本法所定程序動之前．得作為協助地方政府財務調節所需財源 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第16條之一．第8條第二項規定之稅課統籌分配部分．因本透明化及公平化依方式分配之．受分配地方政府就分得部分．應列為當年度稅課收入．依第8條第二項規定．由中統籌分配直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市之款項．應以總額96%．列為普通統籌分配稅款． |
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其餘4%列為特別統籌分配稅款．因公為之應受分配．地方政府緊急及其他重大事項所需經費．有行政院依實際情形分配之普通統籌分配稅款按下列指數及權數．計算各直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市分配額度 |
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一、可供分配款項90.5%．一、下列全數計算．分配直轄市及縣市．不含離島．一、各直轄市及縣市．最近3年．轄區內各類營利事業．營業額平均值．占全部直轄市及縣市之平均值．合計數之百分比．全數占30%．二、各直轄市及縣市之．房屋稅、地價稅．及土地增值稅．收入合計數之前一年度． |
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成長率排名續位分數﹐占全部職霞市及縣市續位分數﹐合計數之百分比﹐全數占10%﹐三、各職霞市及縣市之前﹐一年度規費工程受益費﹐罰還及賠償收入占其自籌﹐ |
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一、人口數按各直轄市及縣市最近一年底 |
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人口比例佔本項全數90%．二、所得能力按各直轄市及縣市．最近一年度所得．能力佔全部直轄市及縣市．所得能力和技術比例．全數佔本項10%．所得能力． |
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等於全國每戶可支配所得：而除各直轄市及縣市每戶可支配所得：二、可供分配款項2%．考量直轄市與縣市責任不同．支出項目不同．依各直轄市分配數按比例分配．三、可供分配款項2.5%．依下列全數計算分配離島3縣市．依離島各縣市最近3年．區內各類營利事業營業額平均值．佔全部直轄市及縣市之平均值和計數之百分比． |
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全數佔30%．二、離島各縣市之﹑房屋稅﹑地價稅﹑及土地增值稅﹑收入和計數﹑之前一年度成長率排名序位分數﹑佔全部直轄市及縣市序位分數﹑和計數之百分比﹑全數佔10%﹑三、離島各縣市之前一年度規費﹑工程受益費﹑罰還及賠償收入﹑佔其 |
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致籌裁員比例﹐占全直轄市及縣市﹐比例和計數之百分比﹐全數占5%﹐四、離島各縣市之轄區之土地面積﹐占全部直轄市及縣市﹐土地面積﹐和計數之百分比﹐全重占10%﹐五、人口指標﹐占全重45%﹐以下列西部指標及全數計算﹐一、人口數﹐按各直轄市及縣市﹐最近一年底﹐人口比例﹐ |
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．本項全數90%．二所得能力．按各直轄市及縣市．最近一年度所得能力．占全部直轄市及縣市．所得能力和技術比例．全數占本項10%．所得能力等於全國每戶可支配所得額．除各直轄市及縣市每戶可支配所得額．四、可供分配款項5%．分配鄉鎮市．其分配方式應參酌鄉鎮市．市編制人員．人事費及基本建設需求進行．嚴定公室分配各鄉鎮市 |
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5、受分配之直轄市、縣市或鄉鎮市﹐其分配金額較修法前一年度﹐分配金額減少者之全部差短數﹐因特別統籌分配稅款之意﹐依前項算定分配﹐各該直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市之金額﹐財政部應按次一年度﹐中央統籌分配稅款推估數﹐涉算分配﹐各該直轄市、縣市及鄉鎮市之金額﹐與會計年度開始﹐四個月前通知﹐各該直轄市﹐ |
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各該直轄縣市及鄉鎮市政府．依第12條第二項之第4項規定．由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項．因本條紀財政營需原則．由縣政府訂定分配辦法．其中依公式分配之款項．不得低於可供分配總額之90%．依公式涉算分配各該鄉鎮市之金額．應於會計年度開始3個月前．通知各該鄉鎮市公所．宣讀完畢 |
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好 報告委員會 我們現在依照登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先我們請林黛樺委員發言林俊憲委員請準備好好好 |
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針對我們財政收支發放法本席在針對有幾項的希望能夠再引起國民黨跟民眾黨的重視 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
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財政收支發放法應該重視水平與垂直分配的公平性﹐修法是需要有共識地避免加劇22縣市的城鄉差距﹐產生新的不公平現象﹐雙北已經是我中央部會所在﹐資源集中﹐地方稅收充裕﹐卻又享有分配優勢﹐ |
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49445.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
49462.555 |
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如採對新北市最有利的人口數指標67%．及臺北市固定額外匡列3%．而為考量高雄面積大．更需要建設經費．及承擔石化重工業所付諸的代價 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
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所以在這邊本席認為在修法當中一定要考量22縣市的財政需求就以高雄市來講我們希望這樣的財政授資發分法應該納入三大指標第一個 碳負擔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
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高雄市的溫室氣體排放量佔20%．長期肩負國家政策發展重工業及石化產業．發電量是佔臺電全國總購發電量的20%． |
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促進國家經濟發展的集稅說﹑承受了碳負擔的代價﹑建議應該要碳負擔﹑納入分配指標﹑作為改善環境的裁員﹑也應該要納入法定社會福利負擔的指標﹑高雄市配合中央法令的法定支出是6度最高﹑本市人口結構中65歲以上的長輩﹑ |
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打19.6%明年就要進入到超高齡的社會高雄市之外在人口結構較需要照顧長輩的縣市如彰化縣、屏東縣、雲林縣社福支出負擔也是很高會避免排擠其他市政的建設經費 |
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都應該要考量到人口結構納入分配的指標。第三個,土地面積的全數﹐並加重農業土地分配的全數﹐納入這次裁判法的修正。高雄市土地面積為臺北市的11倍﹐所需的基礎建設﹐ |
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及養父經輩是非常龐大的．以及在國家永續發展．我們農耕土地面積較大的農業縣．如台南市、雲林縣、嘉義縣．屏東縣、南投縣、彰化縣．都必須配合國土計劃發展農業．也應該要提高土地面積的權重．並加重農業等土地分配的權數．所以裁判法呢．攸關高雄市的統籌分配． |
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謝謝主席本位各位同仁以及在寒風中陪伴守護台灣民主的各位好朋友 |
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財政修正劃分法這是國家根本大法財政啊 修正之母所有事情啊 最重要所以你要分配中央跟地方的預算啊一定要聽取地方的意見現在地方是國民黨執政比較多 |
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那照理講 國民黨應該要支持 讓各地方政府 把他的訴求 把他的地方的特色 把他的希望怎麼分配這個意見要大家拿出來講 真可惜啦 在財政預防會你審查的時候 |
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你當時的召委用騙的說各縣市一起派代表來開會20幾個縣市派一兩百個人整個財政委員會站起來沒有任何一個縣市的代表有機會講話或者是因該縣市的意見能夠提出來討論全部都沒有在這裡就上來到今天要來這裡表決因為你要分配這個錢 |
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你選擇的參數很重要不是我們立法院我們站在這裡自己選擇自己做例如啦你不可以只說人口多而已也有人口結構的問題你人口老化他所需要的長照醫療要開始就比較多這人口結構啊尤其65歲老年比例或者是幼兒的比例啊這你都要納入考量那年華 |
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不只是單以營業稅為計算你應該要以產值啦所以台北市會這樣扳移是因為很多公司都定期在台北市所以營業稅交到台北市台北市的這個營業稅稅額高一分賠金就多但其實啦這工廠都設在中南部啊設在南部那南部的人他就會抱怨 |
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嚴聰秀在我們這裏那你繳稅在台北市嘛所以你應該是要計算當地不用在工業區的產值會是多少因為這牽扯到地方所付出以及地方的招商你都要把這算進來現在是從財政紀律你每一個官期啊也稅計剩餘還是赤字啊那財政紀律你都要把它算進來這樣不就有一個獎你有一個誘因 |
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所以公民黨要用邱氰的,不簡單啦你把整層下去,行政會不會在美黨?行政會要做什麼?行政權一定犯孔啊行政權一定抵抗到底啊我就叫行政院長你不要復甦啊反正現在阿柏縣沒法庭啦,國民黨廢掉了也沒有危險的問題啦若要好打就大家來倒閣啊所以喔,用邱氰的不好啦大家還是要坐下來講啦,理性來探討啦 |
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臨近縣委員臨近縣委員臨近縣委員臨近縣委員臨近縣委員 |
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主席各位同仁今天藍白兩黨62席請問你們有任何一個人負責任的回到選區跟地方政府討論過彩化法應該怎麼修嗎 |
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這種臨時拼湊出來的黑箱才化法臨時一張一張擺到桌子上在這之前沒有人知道版本是什麼這種亂七八糟的法案你們相信也都不曉得要表決什麼啦我想喔像我們自己的家鄉我為了我的家鄉台南 |
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我一定要避免當品被做到但是我人口相對多的台南市我怎麼所分配的金額會可能少於彰化的這種不公平的狀態那台南市政府也一直拜託我們一定要解決統籌分配稅 |
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重北侵南的問題那現行的統籌分配稅款的計算室中營利事業營業額涉算權重達50%那金額涉算以公司稅集的登記所在地計算那剛剛據憲委員有說倒軌的是我們公司的總部都設在北部那生產工廠都在南部那這種 |
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本院委員長 |
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完全沒有獲得我剛講的這問題獲得處理那我想你們也都不知道你們在胡搞什麼就想要把錢好像就是好像要分到地方上去可是事實上全國22縣市每個縣市有各自發展的脈絡那怎麼樣均衡區域的發展才是我們的重點那所以財富法不應該這樣的倉促上路台灣好修正喔知識體大 |
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要處理的事情太多我想這件事情也不是今天一時一刻才開始討論起二十幾年來很多都想要來救財後來做合理的分配可是為什麼沒有辦法就是因為牽扯的考量的問題太多真的必須做下一談如果今天要這樣子的處理方式我想一定會對各縣市造成無可復加的傷害那我想今天很明顯 |
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由中央政府一直搶奪議員預算假裝要分配的地方可是說真的沒有一個人說得清楚怎麼分配害怕罷免業援資不知道妄想選新北市長黃國昌也不知道就連親自到中國接旨的草古大王傅坤祺我想也不知道啦那才話吧有關中央跟地方的分配合理的 |
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好 謝謝林一景委員的發言接下來請陳俊宇委員發言陳冠廷委員請準備 |
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好 主席 各位同仁 大家安安首先在這要向我們立法院中外的觀眾還有很多關心我們台灣民主發展的所有好朋友表達感謝在法院需要一個公平的公職 而且就是合理的分配才會造成更好的國家 選擇的議員選擇 |
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針對這次由國民黨及民眾黨所審出來的修正動議內容,真的是納杯釘牙,食髓滋味,經過第1會期擴寬法案,無討論：民進黨有意見,就保留尚協商,結果就是參選。今天我們看到上任議會親差討論的這種情形, |
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這會看到一直在競爭或是整夜都拍車的現象而且在財政委員會東崗用三分鐘交易就把這個法案送出委員會並沒有提案人的報告或是大體討論更加沒有這個主條審查這會三星如初的這種狀況亂七八糟 |
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各位,我們這個裁判法,若沒有分配方式,中央政府每年差不多3條的依算,靠在原本的基本依算,包括相關的這個人事費用,也存沒一半。 |
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若恢復歐洲六千、六八十年的未來國家國防、社會福利、教育等議程要找上來支付,難道國家未來若要買武器就要拜託管治政府來倒三天嗎? |
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所謂財化法 |
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在這25年來﹐不管是上執政﹑還是上在野﹐都曾經提出過修法的訴求﹐但是因為一直以來﹐都沒辦法達成這個共識﹐而且要修這個裁劃法﹐是一項大工室﹐會牽動到國家整體財政的這個穩定性﹐ |
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必須要用尚且謹慎的態度來溝通：並且尊敬大家的共性：在合法、合憲的基礎上：再進一步來進行修法：這樣才能達成我們所有官司：大家所期待的目標。 |
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各位同仁大家好還有各位在場外的所有的年輕的支持者們大家好 |
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今天我們談的這個才化法每一個百分比都是數以億計每一個百分比都是人民的納稅錢所以剛才我提到不管是幾次的這個變更都是在這一兩天內陸續交出來的沒有足夠的時間去審議對所有我們的支持者對所有的民意來說都是極端的不尊重這一點我真的是很誠摯的希望在野黨 |
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同意權之行使事項：同意權之行使事項：同意權之行使事項： |
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所以我們不斷一直在強調就是希望透過用面積甚至是農業面積因為作為台灣的主要糧倉在嘉南雲嘉南平原我們所負擔的不僅僅是全國的糧倉而已我們同時也是青壯人口流失率最高的縣市 |
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所以我們說在做分配資源的時候一定要考量這些重要的基礎再來我相信各位同事如果過去在過去這個民國八九十年代的時候你們應該還記得那個時候國民黨常常強調的是三級政府不斷強調說鄉鎮市地方的鄉鎮市這些三級政府跟人民的第一線有多近 |
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所以那個時候我們要做二級政府的改革的時候有不同的意見但是我們看看我們的財政收支正過這次的這個財化法的改變之後從8%到5%194個現在的鄉鎮基層的第一線 |
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他所得到的分配是不是有變得更好還是沒有這些都是經過細緻的討論之後我們可以去改變的我們可以去討論的這麼重要的法案其實不應該在一天之內跟著幾個重要爭議的法案一起審其實在這個才化法裡面每一個說法都有其道理在所以更一定要審議啊 |
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財政紀律是民眾黨不斷強調的可是去年有600多億地方政府沒有辦法把它完整執行的預算這樣子是有效的投資嗎?這樣是有效的預算嗎? |
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我再後再強調現在台灣所面臨的各種挑戰國防安全更嚴峻所以對於中央跟地方之間的比例這已經不是只是在於我們說哪一個縣更多哪一個市更多而是在於整體的國家考量方方面面我們都必須要納入想像最後我必須強調選舉只是我們民主的一部分有之不必然無之則必然所以我必須要強調我覺得先求有再求無 |
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謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言接下來請徐副委員發言劉建國委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席我們所有立委同仁還有現在關心我們台灣民主發展我們社會全國鄉親我想這個我來自屏東那過去因為屏東這個財政的一個自由財源比較不足所以 |
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本院委員會主席 |
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選擇對藍營執政縣是有利的一個版本卻忽略了其他縣市一個區域均很發展的一個重要性我想這是非常不公平尤其過去這個六都跟非六都的財政結構就已經有很大的一個落差如果像現在未來這個財化法修正下去之後我想會造成很大的一個屬於那個城鄉差距 |
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本席認為本席認為本席認為本席認為本席認為本席認為 |
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財政重新分配後﹐中央和地方的事權必須要釐清﹐有一個更清楚的釐清﹐過去財化法當然希望能夠做一個好的修正﹐但是如果沒有一個好的處理﹐ |
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主席 |
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50571.618 |
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未來如果說經費分配上出現很大的問題中央不再支持我們這些軌道建設交通建設我想對屏東的整體發展會造成很大很大的影響尤其我想中央政府在整個一個所謂的一個 |
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50588.394 |
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經濟交通建設還有國防的經費上面也必須做一個整體的考量那如果依我們目前藍白陣營提出這個版本把那個餅切那麼大一塊走了之後根本中央政府沒辦法去照顧到我們整體的一個國家的一個發展 |
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50588.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
50589.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
50618.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
50619.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
徐富奎委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
50650.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
50677.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
好,謝謝主席、各位同仁還有場外各位辛苦的朋友關心現在立委院現在在審查的財政收支花文華的修正案財政收支花文華顧名思義就是講財政的收與支那我們現在每個條文都是在講收反而沒有講到支這個是非常奇怪的一個修法的謬向不只如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
50678.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
50702.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
在一次一次的版本修正我拿了對照表一直在對照我覺得莫名其妙的從擔心臺北市的分配不夠的情況之下讓直轄縣市從原本的57.2%增幅現在變成來到60%左右等於增加了2.5%只為了臺北市其他的五都甚至也不在這個考量範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
50703.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
50726.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
以因為要增加六都﹐所以對一般縣市﹐原本增幅在177%﹐現在降為170%﹐減了7%﹐這是足足現在最後的版本的這樣的一個結論﹐我不曉得一般縣市的﹐所有的﹐我們的立院的﹐不管哪一個政黨的朋友們﹐對這事情的看法是怎麼樣﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
50728.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
50753.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
不管你在財政說出話的話你的認知是怎麼樣不管你對於這個事情你有什麼樣的想法但是要因為一個首都去做這樣的調整企劃之下又把一般縣市的這樣的政府比例降到7%左右這差額是非常高的這樣的一個金額再者剛剛很多委員有特別提到就像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
50754.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
50772.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
我們雲林有全國最大的10萬元區就六清每年比比腳手腳的營業稅、貨物稅都是好幾百億以上但是要講到營業稅的試算比例它佔了20%但是雲林縣要怎麼去分配到這個試算標準農業縣不講農業產值農業縣不講農業貢獻度農業縣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
50782.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
50810.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
不僅今天呼籲給我們的糧食安全、糧食自主、自主利的這樣的一個付出與貢獻這樣的財政收治化文化的修法到底是在做什麼事情我覺得這個實在真的要講得清楚了最後我還是特別來提醒再度最後的修正版 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
50813.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
50835.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
貢獻這麼多的農業的產值但是我們是在一般縣市的倒數第三名的政府我不曉得我雲林縣的同仁怎麼能夠接受這樣的一個修法我不曉得韓院長還貴於是雲林縣的家宅你怎麼有辦法接受這樣的一個修法請院長應該要有所表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
50838.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
50845.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
好 謝謝劉建國委員的發言接下來請登記最後一位 蘇巧惠委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
50861.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
50889.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
主席各位同仁現在時間是晚上10點半天氣很冷外面的雨越下越大但是就在我們旁邊進來路上依然有上萬不可散去的朋友正透過電視透過直播在看著議場裡面的我們如果今天的國會是正常開會他們為什麼需要在這樣的天候中這麼辛苦的看著我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
50890.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
50899.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
如果今天我們談的是復國立民的法案他們需要在外面這樣嘶吼吶喊一句一句口號嗎?不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
50900.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
50929.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
所以我認為立法是一件很嚴肅很專業的事情我們有這個榮幸受到全國人民的託付來到這裡就應該本著自己的職責代表自己的選區為選區選民說話但是同時你也要有這個高度記得你是國家的國會議員不分地域為全國人民一同設想甚至不分本島離島都要一起想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
50930.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
50956.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
好 但如果用這樣的角度來看的話 什麼是最公平最妥適的決定呢我們來談談才化法 我來自新北市 我們新北市全國人口最多土地面積非常大 長期以來其實才化法對我們也不公平所以我非常支持才化法修法 而且我認為新北市應該要拿最多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
50957.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
50982.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
但是為什麼恕我無法支持國民黨今天的版本各位在今天晚上之前我們其實是處於一種疊對疊疊的狀態我們根本不知道國民黨最後要拿出來的版本最重要的公式是什麼最重要的權數到底要怎麼算沒有人知道所以你看看光是在桌子上這個版那個版最後還有什麼撤銷提案一張紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
50983.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
51009.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
這到底是哪一種版這些版本經過試算了嗎這些版本後面有配套嗎剛剛即便是民進黨的委員每一個上來有雲林縣說我農業很強應該要注重農業新北市像我我說我人口最多要注重人口高雄出來說他的面積最大請問為什麼國民黨的委員你們每一個沒有任何意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
51010.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
51011.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
《國民黨第一版》及《國民黨最後一版》 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
51033.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
51043.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
這個邏輯是什麼新北市的國民黨委員要不要出來說說看所以今天一切的修法就是荒謬就是程序是我們無法支持這樣的修法謝謝蘇巧慧委員的發言抱怨會我們現在要進行表決按鈴7分鐘現在我們開始按鈴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
51480.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
51481.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
一肚子火 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
51565.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
51571.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
報院會現在報告現在有出席委員106位我們現在進行第16條之一舉手表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
51614.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
51640.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
報告院會出席106位贊成者8位贊成者少數民眾黨團先有民進黨黨團提議要求重複表決我們現在有民進黨團提議要求重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
51675.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
51691.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
保安會出席106位贊成者8位贊成者少數臺灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文不通過保安會現在處理國民黨團第16條之一再修正動議條文那麼請議場人員清點人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
51754.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
51756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
報告現在在場委員97位委員我們現在進行16條之一舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議條文贊成者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
51810.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
51815.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
法院會報在場委員97位贊成者51位贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團條文請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
51856.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
51868.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
報告院會在場者97位贊成者、51位贊成者多數第16條之一,照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報告院會現在進行第30條,請宣讀條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
51872.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
51898.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
國民黨黨團提案第30條．中央為謀全國之經濟平衡發展．得卓以補助地方政府．但以下列事項為限．一、計劃消費涵蓋面廣．且具體整體性之計劃項目．二、跨越直轄市縣市．或二以上縣市之建設計劃．三、具有示範性作用之重大建設計劃．四、因應中央重大政策或建設．需由地方政府配合辦理之事項．前項各款補助之辦法．由行政院訂定之． |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
51898.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
51906.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
中央政府給予地方政府制一般性補助款項金額﹐不得少於修正施行前一年度預算編列數﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
51908.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
51934.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第30條中央為謀全國之經濟平衡發展﹐得編列一般性補助款及計劃性補助款﹐補助直轄市政府及縣市政府﹐另對直轄市政府及縣市政府之重大或緊急事項﹐得編列經費給予補助﹐計劃性補助款應由中央各主管﹐即觀依政策及業務需要﹐就第6項所列事項予補助﹐及各年度總額是中央整體財政收支狀況決定之﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
51935.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
51960.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
中央對直轄市政府及縣市政府之一般性補助款﹐應以補助其教育、社會福利及基本設施等項目所需經費為限﹐其分配方式依下列各款制規定﹐依教育經費應參酌受補助直轄市政府﹐縣市政府之財政能力與所屬各級學校學生人數﹐班級數及其他應加計制項目權數等因素定之﹐二、社會福利經費應參酌受補助直轄市政府﹐縣市政府之財政能力﹐各類人口數﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
51961.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
51982.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
各項法定社會福利津貼支領人數﹑人次或戶次﹑及其他應加計之項目﹑權數等因素定之﹑三、基本設備經費﹑因參酌受補助之下﹑是政府、縣市政府之人口數﹑土地面積、公共設施面積﹑及其他應加計之項目﹑權數等因素定之﹑並得視實際需要就特定項目所需經費才指定方式分配﹑ |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
51982.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
52009.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
前項第三款基本設施經費得救離島地區﹐香港所在地之直轄市政府﹐縣市政府因香港建設費廢除﹐以加計全數方式增加分配金額﹐直轄市政府及縣市政府﹐依第一項所定分配方式﹐及前項所定加計全數﹐所後分配至一般性補助款﹐中央得限定其使用範圍﹐使用用途﹐或指定應辦理之施政計劃或內容﹐直轄市政府或縣市政府﹐如有違反縣市規定者﹐中央得救﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
52010.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
52037.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
﹐其違反部分予以暫停撥付或減扣補助款﹐中央為謀求全國之經濟平衡發展﹐得編列計劃型補助款﹐補助直轄市政府及縣市政府﹐前項之計劃型補助款﹐應由中央各主管機關﹐依政策及業務需要予以補助﹐但以下列事項為限﹐依跨越直轄市縣市之建設計劃﹐但離島地區不受跨越轄區之限制﹐二、計劃效益需長期性及整體性之計劃項目﹐三、具有示範性作用之重大建設計劃� |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
52039.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
52061.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
配合中央重大政策或建設：需要直轄市政府、縣市政府配合辦理之事項：中央對於跨區域之建設計畫或合作事項：因優先給予補助或其他必要協助：直轄市政府及縣市政府辦理：配合政府整體經濟建設發展：吸引廠商投資或獎勵：民間參與公共建設等事項具有顯著績效時：中央得卓宇甄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
52062.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
52081.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
調整其計劃性補助款．中央各主管機關．對直轄市政府及縣市政府．之計劃性補助款．除特定教育補助部分．依教育經費編列與管理法規定外．其餘均按其計劃性質．訂定明確、客觀、透明化之審查基準．與處理原則及管考規定．為加強原住民族及原住民族地區之發展． |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
52081.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
52101.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
中央各主管機關得就下列事項．列計劃型補助款予以補助．補助第6項各款規定之限制一、原住民族教育文化．二、原住民衛生醫療．就業服務及社會福利事業．三、原住民族地區經濟產業發展．交通水利、飲水設施住宅改善．公共建設與土地開發利用及管理． |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
52101.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
52115.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
四、都市原住民生活輔導．五、其他謀求原住民出地區．均衡發展之相關計畫．中央未辦理本條所定補助事項．其相關補助項目．補助比率．計畫執行管考及其他相關事項之辦法．由行政院定之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
52116.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
52141.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
國民黨黨團修正動議第30條．中央為謀全國之經濟平衡發展．的主意補助地方政府．但以下類事項為限．一、計劃效益涵蓋面廣．且具整體性之計劃項目．二、跨越直轄市縣市．或二以上縣市之建設計劃．三、具有示範性作用之重大建設計劃．四、因應中央政策．重大政策或建設．需由地方政府配合辦理之事項．傾向各款補助之辦法．由行政院訂定之．中央政府給予地方政府．之一般性補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
52145.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
52146.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
前一會計年度預算編列書 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
52149.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
52177.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
國民黨黨團再修正動議第30條．中央為謀全國之經濟平衡發展．得足以補助地方政府．但以下列事項為限．一、計劃效益涵蓋面廣．且具整體性質計劃項目．二、橫跨直轄市縣市．或二以上縣市之建設計劃．三、具有示範性作用之重大建設計劃．四、因應中央重大政策或建設．需由地方政府配合辦理之事項．前項各款補助之辦法．由行政院認定之．中央政府給予地方政府．之一般性補助款項金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
52178.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
52190.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
不得少於修正施行前一年度預算編列書宣讀完畢報言會現在我們依登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先請郭國文委員發言王玉川委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
52207.403 |
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主席、各位同仁剛剛我在上一次的論述過程當中最後的時候我就提到《裁判法》基本上是一個禍國殃民的法案我在這邊必須進一步的強調為什麼?從我們剛剛在論述的過程當中我們所謂的水平的分配 |
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水平的分配當中照說是要讓整個區域發展能夠得到平衡也就是呢基本上要讓弱勢的窮的能夠多一點資源但我們舉一個例子來說之前國民黨的財務法版本當中備受爭議的所謂的金孫條款也就是加了3%總共246億給台北市政府當初啊因為柯市政反對國民黨內部的檢討所以呢 |
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蔣萬燦說他要取消掉但是在最後這個版本當中我們換算的結果他不過是在營業稅的部分增加了30%之後他居然還多了261億也就是說這金孫長大了 |
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金孫條款變大金孫條款那我就要問一下柯政務委員你還不要反對其他要參選其他縣市的這個國民黨的候選人態度又是如何水平分配的結果臺北市變成261億之後再加上去年剩餘的221億整個增加快要500億500億錢太多就會浪費浪費的結果就會破壞整個財政紀律地方的錢太多那中央的錢怎麼辦 |
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中央明年的總預算總共是3兆1總共3兆1當中有1兆8是法定的支出預算只剩下1兆3可以作為自由的運用可是1兆3當中呢他在所謂的一般的補助款又把你框裂了2500億再加上剛剛我們所討論的條文當中又要拿掉3753億那不就是1億3又拿掉6000億了嗎 |
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667個結果﹚我們相關的中央的政策﹚要打對折﹚不論是社會福利也好﹚基礎建設也好﹚或者國防預算也好﹚都要面臨這個問題﹚或許有人講說 沒關係啊﹚你可以去舉債啊﹚你要去舉債的情況底下﹚你有財政紀律法的限制15%﹚你都能夠拿到多少﹚拿到2600億﹚也是不夠啊﹚ |
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即便你舉了債之後呢你債台高築國債增加那不是又迫害了一樣迫害了財政機率所以我說這部財政收支法文法真的是道道地地的禍國殃民的法案但是我最後要提醒國民黨你通過這部法案當中你難道要一直做地方黨嗎 |
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你通過這部法案當中好到地方那你中央的財政怎麼辦?除非你一直在當地方的諸侯嘛你難道不想要返回中央嗎?你返回中央的時候你是不是要把這部法案又要修改回去又要自打自己的嘴巴?所以國民黨要想清楚要從長治久安的角度來思考謝謝郭國文委的發言接下來請王逸川委員發言吳思瑤委員請準備 |
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好,各位還在近藍路上的朋友我們現在在進行的是財政收支發文法第30條的修正這一條的修正影響很大國民黨提的版本的意思是說他們準備從中央政府挖走6千多億以後要求中央政府對各縣市原來的補助都不可以改變 |
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中央的6千多億要去哪裡拿?是要削減 |
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那個 各位委員 時間暫停各位委員拜託尊重發言委的權益 拜託拜託 |
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你們是要把T-Bus的錢拿走嗎?你們要把私立大學的學位補助拿走嗎?你們要把租金補貼拿走嗎?你們要把長照的預算拿走嗎?你們是要把國中、國小、操場、廁所改進的計劃拿走嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
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沒有這個錢啊!這個錢現在都在補助這裡啊!你們現在要從中央撈錢去,你們也不想交代錢從哪裡來啊!然後就在第30條裡頭,要求一般政府租款,不可以比前年、去年還少! |
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沒有人這樣補的嘛!國家的錢就這麼多!國家的錢要怎麼分配?大家說垂直水平每一個縣市有自己的手法,這都還沒討論呢!你現在錢花了,總統是要拿一張錢出來啊!你也要交代啊!你都不說!你就叫他叫總統把錢扣出來就對了!說是扣出來再說!沒意思! |
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沒意思,這個,然後你們的版本這麼多,不夠不夠,今天你們這才第幾版啊?啊這民眾黨啊,小喊,來討論這條八個都亂講啊!各位先生的朋友,濟南路的朋友,民眾黨八個都沒去啊!要做進展啊,提出一個版本來,看這個,這個版本全部給你打叉叉,外靠前面的叫做黃國昌,黃國昌給你寫報告給你打叉叉,衝啥位啊? |
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你報告蝦蝦給你打叉叉,阿人人幹?走去這套,還是去選黨主席啊?蛤?人咧?搞什麼東西?跟你蝦蝦給你打叉叉? |
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國民黨這個版本啦,要求說不能逼9年或10年,國民黨也要向大家交代一件事,說這次要進來,可是你們國民黨都不敢說,也不敢定期來講,也不敢講,到底這次要進來也說不清楚。 |
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主席、各位同仁 |
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今年審裁劃法最後一刻才拿出你們最終極的黑箱版原始是6612億挖走中央的裁員現在我們努力去試算你們的黑箱最終的版本數字可能落在3753億左右但這還需要經過精算 |
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預算反應政策預算的執行就是責任政治的實踐 |
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每個人都想當聖誕老公公每一個縣市首長都好想當散財童子但是責任政治在哪裡如果只講收入而不論支出我說過了這部法案可以改名了它不再是財政收支劃分法它變成財政收入劃分法因為國民黨只管討錢不要做事 |
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有幾個必須面對的真相但是藍白不敢面對你們老是說富中央窮地方是這樣嗎2014年馬英九執政的時候每年挹注地方是5472億到賴清德現在2025年明年會挹注地方1兆150億成長了7成之多 |
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你們總是說不要窮地方但是我們看看馬英九執政的時候2012年各地方政府的預算短處來到589億但是在蔡英文努力8年拼經濟拼稅收2023年各縣市政府的稅計剩餘來到648億由付轉正 |
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這都是鐵證誰在窮地方不是民進黨是你們的馬英九反而民進黨努力執政努力拼經濟我們讓地方政府富起來 |
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過去25年才化法沒有辦法修正不要忘了你們馬英九任內提出三個版本的才化法分別是2008年963億2010年重送982億2012年馬英九重送982億三次馬英九要修才化法要從中央釋出900多億但是 |
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國民黨作為國會﹐多數的時候﹐沒有辦法通過﹐因為縣市政府歧義過大﹐這就是25年來﹐沒有辦法修正的原因﹐請負責任﹐把法修好﹐而不是把法搞爛﹐你們現在﹐就是把財化法整個搞爛謝謝吳思堯委員的發言﹐接下來請范雲委員發言﹐陳培宇委員請準備 |
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我立法院的同仁還有全國還有在青島東路正在看立法院直播的朋友晚安謝謝你們 |
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對我來講我不是才化法的專家但是我看到的五月所謂國會擴權的法案跟才化法很像都不是不能修但是就是因為牽涉龐大不管是中央跟地方的權力關係或是政府體制所以特別的需要大家好好的討論才能改的比現狀更好 |
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舉例來講臺北市一年的收入超過千億蓬勃的收入不知道大家知道是多少嗎我查到的是7億差距如此之大而且大部分的縣市無法靠自己的收入平衡支出 |
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本黨很多的立委講得非常的清楚我不重複了事權跟財權的平衡還有垂直跟水平的平衡都是這步法需要好好的做下來討論的可是 |
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藍白號稱自己有提案的委員嘲笑我們沒有提案你有好好討論嗎?以我看到的你們說地方政府的意見很重要我們很多人都看到了那天我們高雄市長 |
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高雄市長來到這裡陳行脈他是怎麼被對待的他浪費了一個早上的時間坐高鐵上來坐在這邊看到的就是不讓他發言然後萊茵的委員站在那裡一排就是不讓他發言如果你們真的重視地方政府的意見那天就不會不讓他發言不讓大家討論連協商那天傅昆吉總召大言不慚的告訴大家 |
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不用協商有提出協商沒有協商就是今天要表決那今天表決就是要橫財入照 |
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今天 非常的遺憾 很多關心到底國民兩黨今天要表決的版本是什麼的人包含我們的行政部門都只能在表決前而且我們在好幾個小時之內我手上不知道有好幾個版本到底是兩個、四個 修正還是再修正我不知道有多少人包含坐在那裡的藍營委員你們知道 等一下表決通過的是什麼版本為什麼 |
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62位立委靠掉民進黨51位你們腦袋到底是怎麼了我沒有辦法理解你們的腦袋我只能猜測藍白或是藍白的黨鞭就是想要搞垮這個國家這是唯一合理的理由否則你們為什麼要這麼急切 |
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我想最近上海復旦大學的一位學者沈逸說﹐對台灣人揍他們就對了﹐傅坤晴、陳玉珍﹐你們今天早上是不是這樣想﹐揍我們就對了﹐排除就對了﹐我拜託全國的公民站出來﹐不要讓我們排除我們的國家好 謝謝范雲委員的發言﹐接下來請陳培宇委員發言﹐郭育晴委員請準備 |
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晚安各位街頭的朋友大家晚安辛苦你們了剛剛有人問我說為什麼老是愛說副總召的故事呢或者是還有人問我說剛剛那個說法好像有點太過牽強我們就來看一看如果才化法真的通過之後中央的錢搬到地方去不當的使用沒有積極的管理 |
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就只是做自己想做的事情．會發生什麼樣的事情呢．我就以我住了十幾年的花蓮．來跟大家分享．傅昆齊在他的任內．積極地強調花蓮縣．會有非常多非常多他想像中．美好的建設．不管是交通．不管是教育．各式各樣的建設．於是他就非常非常．認真跟努力跟積極地．跟中央政府要錢．而且也要了很多的錢． |
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但是到了地方上之後這些錢會變成什麼樣的東西呢?我們都說大人要把錢變成自己喜歡的東西於是傅寬琦總召就把這些錢變成了所謂的面子工程有標榜千年不壞的地磚我想要拜託全台灣的人你們到花蓮去的時候幫我找一找 |
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那些千年地磚現在到哪裡去了那些錢確實變成了傅昆奇和他的太太徐振蔚縣長喜歡的東西但就只是他們喜歡的東西好像沒有人喜歡 |
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接下來他不只做這些事情：他還把錢變成了購物袋：上面畫上他和他太太的頭像：還有拜拜的金紙一包一包的：上面也畫了他們的頭像：小孩的聯絡簿也畫了他們的頭像：這樣子不知道叫做社會福利：還是叫做個人文宣 |
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而這些東西大家只要到網路上都找得到這就是我在前一次發言的時候所提到當我拿了中央的錢到了地方了去它到底會變成什麼樣的東西最後呢傅昆奇還經常被指出透過標案經營媒體的關係利誘在地的記者對縣府施政不足的地方的批評必須要避重就輕削弱媒體的監督功能 |
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請問這是不是也就是把錢變成他自己喜歡的東西甚至在2016年他個人擔任縣長的時候提前廢止礦石景觀稅每公噸10元的稅率另外把它變成了70一公噸變成了70多增加了很多錢還造成了相關的訴訟 |
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甚至在他的院內﹐做了非常多屬於他個人崇拜的活動﹐浪費了公共資源﹐我想要問﹐如果這一次地方財政法﹐財化法通過之後﹐像傅昆齊這樣的現場﹐會不會越來越多﹐把中央的錢挖到地方上﹐做他自己想要的東西﹐但卻不是我們一般人所要的東西﹐以上 謝謝 |
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主席各位同仁還有目前在場外據說已經有2萬人的這個我們的民眾喔大家好辛苦了從早上一直到現在 |
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那我想大家在寒冬當中然後冷冷的天但是我們心都在一起好 財政劃分法其實對於我們的國家的運作有多麼的重要剛剛非常諷刺的有一位記者告訴我他問了國民黨的委員說你們到底這個財劃法一年要從中央拿走多少錢結果這個國民黨的委員不知道是哪一位 |
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主席主席 |
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如果就今天講的這第30條其中中央政府要給予地方政府之一般性的補助款項不得少於修正實施之前一個會計年度的預算編列數 |
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用更白話更簡單一點點的算法我講給大家聽就是呢爸爸媽媽等於我們的中央政府他有22個孩子那這每一個孩子呢每一年每一個月其實他都有固定的零用錢但是呢有一個時節比較特殊那就是過年的時候我們要給紅包平常照慣例給的都是平均分配平均就是給一個孩子一萬塊錢的紅包 |
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《公職人員選舉罷免法部分條文》 |
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當你在水庫不變的狀況之下再不減少一般型的補助也就是說我等同就要去減少計劃型的補助我不知道大家用這樣子的講法有沒有聽懂但是呢請記得這22個孩子真的都是紀律良好的孩子嗎沒有喔你給他錢他可能拿去賭博 |
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你給他錢他可能拿去投資結果因為沒有財政紀律他都在舉債等到舉債外面欠了一大屁股的錢請記得苗栗縣前縣長曾經就發生過他連縣府員工的薪水都發不出來的窘境回過頭來再跟爸爸媽媽要爸爸媽媽兩手一攤我錢都給你們了我哪來的錢謝謝 |
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請清點人數 |
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法院會報告本院現在所有的議事廳總人數96位：委員同仁我們現在進行第30條舉手表決贊成國民黨黨團再修正動議條文贊成者請舉手 |
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53612.228 |
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報告院會報告表決結果在場96位委員贊成者50位贊成者多數現由民進黨黨團提重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成國民黨黨團條文請舉手贊成 |
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報告院會我們現在重複表決結果在場96位委員﹐贊成者50位﹐贊成者多數我們第30條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過報告院會臺灣民眾黨黨團提案﹐要求撤回第39條的條文請問院會有無異議有異議 |
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臺灣民眾黨要求撤回第39條條文,請問會有無異議?有異議,我們現在表決。 |
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我們現在針對臺灣民眾黨黨團撤回提案舉手表決贊成臺灣民眾黨黨團撤回提案者請舉手 |
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53780.391 |
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法院會出席委員96位贊成撤回51位贊成者多數本案法院會現有民進黨黨團提重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成臺灣民眾黨黨團撤回提案者請舉手 |
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國民黨團再修正動議及修正動議我們就不予處理沒有 |
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53870.834 |
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53876.96 |
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有異議我們進行表決我們現在贊成本案繼續進行三讀請舉手 |
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報告委員會我們現在出席委員96位贊成者51位贊成者多數現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們進行重複表決贊成本案繼續進行三讀者請舉手 |
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法務委員會我們本院縣委有96位委員．贊成者51位．贊成者多數．我們作以下宣告本案繼續進行三讀．請宣讀經過二讀之條文第4條三除復表1及復表2三除．第8條下列各稅為國稅．1所得稅．2遺產及證語稅．3關稅．4營業稅．5貨物稅．6菸酒稅．7證券交易稅．8期貨交易稅．前項第一款之所得稅總收入11%．第4款之營業稅總收入減除1.5%． |
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53995.916 |
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54013.087 |
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作為積增費用及依法提撥之﹑統一發票給獎﹑獎金後之﹑全部收入及第5款之﹑貨物稅總收入10%﹑應由中央統籌分配直轄市﹑縣市及鄉鎮市﹑第一項﹑第二款之﹑遺產及贈予稅﹑應以在直轄市徵起之﹑收入50%﹑給該直轄市﹑在市徵起之﹑收入80%﹑給該市﹑在鄉鎮市徵起之﹑收入80%﹑給該鄉鎮市 |
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第一項．6款支援9稅．應以其總收入18%．按人口比例分配．直轄市及臺灣省各縣市．2%．按人口比例分配．福建省、金門及連江二縣．第12條．下列各稅為直轄市及縣市稅．一、土地稅．包括下列各稅．一、地價稅．二、填庫．三、土地增值稅．二、房屋稅．三、使用牌照稅．四、汽稅．五、印花稅．六、娛樂稅．七、特別稅課前項．1款 |
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先因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入30%．給該鄉鎮市．20%由縣統籌分配所屬鄉鎮市．第二目之填付．先因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入．全部給該鄉鎮市．第一項第二款之房屋稅．先因已在鄉鎮市徵期之收入40%．給該鄉鎮市．20%由縣統籌分配． |
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54069.739 |
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54078.146 |
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所屬鄉鎮市﹐第1項第4款之契稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之﹐收入80%﹐給該鄉鎮市﹐20%由縣統籌分配﹐所屬鄉鎮市﹐第1項第6款之娛樂稅﹐現因已在鄉鎮市徵期之﹐收入全部給該鄉鎮市﹐第1項第7款之特別稅課﹐只適應地方自治之需要﹐並經議會立法課徵之稅﹐但不得以以徵貨物稅﹐或菸酒稅之貨物為課徵對象﹐ |
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第16條之一．第8條第二項規定之稅客統籌分配部分．因本通名化及公平化依方式分配之．受分配地方政府就分得部分．因列為當年度稅客收入．依第8條第二項規定．由中央統籌分配之下是縣市及鄉鎮市之款項．因一總額96%列為普通統籌分配稅款．其餘4%列為特別統籌分配稅款． |
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因公為之應受．分配地方政府緊急．及其他重大事項所需經費．有行政院依實際情形分配之．普通統籌分配稅款．按下列指標及全數．計算各直轄市縣市及鄉鎮市分配額度．依可供分配款項90.5%．依下列全數計算分配直轄市及縣市．不含離島．依各直轄市及縣市．最近3年轄區內．各類營業事業營業額平均值． |
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直轄市及縣市之平均只合計數之百分比．全數占30%．二、各直轄市及縣市之．房屋稅、地價稅及土地增值稅．收入合計數之前一年度成長率排名虛位分數．占全部直轄市及縣市虛位分數．合計數之百分比．全數占10%． |
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三、各直轄市及縣市之前一年度規費﹐工程受益費罰還及﹐賠償收入占其自籌財源比例﹐占全直轄市及縣市比例和計數之百分比﹐全數占5%﹐四、各直轄市及縣市直轄區之土地面積﹐占全部直轄市及縣市土地面積﹐ |
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和計數值百分比．全眾占10%．五、人口指標占全眾45%．一、下列細部指標及全數計算．一、人口數按各直轄市及縣市．最近一年底．人口比例占本項全數90%．二、所得能力．一． |
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按各直轄市及縣市最近一年度所得能力﹐占全部直轄市及縣市所得能力和技術比例﹐全數占本項10%﹐所得能力等於全國每戶可支配所得額﹐除各直轄市及縣市每戶可支配所得額﹐ |
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二、可供可分配款項2%．考量直轄市與縣市責任不同．支出項目不同．一、各直轄市分配數按比例分配．三、可供分配款項2.5%．一、下列全數計算分配離島三縣市．一、離島各縣市最近三年．區內各類營地事業．營業額平均值．占全部直轄市及縣市之平均值．和計數之百分比．全數占30%． |
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54260.899 |
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二、離島各縣市之房屋稅﹑地價稅及土地增值稅﹑收入和計數之前一年度﹑成長率﹑排名續位﹑分數占全部直轄市及縣市續位﹑分數和計數之百分比﹑全數占10%﹑三、離島各縣市之前一年度﹑歸費﹑工程受益費﹑罰還及賠償收入占其自籌﹑財源比例占全直轄市及縣市比例和計數之百分比﹑全數占5%﹑ |
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4、離島各縣市之轄區之土地面積﹐占全部直轄市及縣市土地﹐面積和基數之百分比﹐全眾占10%5、人口指標占全眾45%﹐依下列細部指標及全數計算﹐依人口數﹐按各直轄市及縣市﹐最近一年底﹐人口比例﹐占本項全數90%﹐二所的能力﹐ |
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按各直轄市及縣市﹐最近一年度所得能力﹐占全部直轄市及縣市﹐所得能力和技術比例﹐全數占本項10%﹐所得能力等於全國每戶可支配所得額﹐除各直轄市及縣市每戶可支配所得額﹐四、可供分配款項5%﹐分配鄉鎮市﹐其分配方式應參酌鄉鎮市﹐正式編制人員人事費﹐及基本建設需求情形﹐嚴定公室分配各鄉鎮市﹐五、受分配之 |
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54310.296 |
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直轄市縣市或鄉鎮市﹐其分配金額較修法前一年度﹐分配金額減少者之全部差短數﹐以特別統籌分配稅款之應﹐依前項算定﹐分配各該直轄市縣市及鄉鎮市之金額﹐財政部應按次一年度﹐中央統籌分配稅款推估數﹐涉算分配各該直轄市縣市及鄉鎮市之金額﹐於會計年度開始4個月前﹐通知各該直轄市縣市﹐ |
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及鄉鎮市政府：第12條第2項至第4項規定：由縣統籌分配鄉鎮市之款項：因本條紀財政營需原則：由縣政府訂定分配辦法：其中依公式分配之款項：不得低於可供分配總額之90%：依公式涉算分配各該鄉鎮市之金額：應於會計年度開始3個月前：通知各該鄉鎮市公所 |
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54360.479 |
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54387.722 |
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．第30條．中央為謀全國之經濟平衡發展．得著以補助地方政府．但以下列事項為限．一、計劃效益涵蓋命管．且具整體性之計劃項目．二、跨越直轄市縣市．或二以上縣市之建設計劃．三、具有示範性作用之重大建設計劃．四、因應中央重大政策或建設．需由地方政府配合辦理之事項．前項各款補助之辦法．由行政院另定之 |
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中央政府給予地方政府致一般性補助款項金額不得少於修正施行前一年度預算編列數宣讀完畢二院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在決議財政收支劃分法刪除第4條條文並將第8條、第12條、第16條之一及第30條條文修正通過 |
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54427.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
54449.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
報院會請保持秩序現有傅昆齊委員提案針對本案三讀制結議提出復議請院會立即處理報院會我們現在進行表決贊成傅昆齊委員所提復議案者現在舉手表決贊成者請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
54533.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
報告委員會現在在場委員96位贊成者44位贊成者少數報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議要求重複表決我們現在進行重複表決贊成傅坤祺委員復議案者請舉手 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
54611.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
報告重複表決結果在場96位委員表決贊成人數45位贊成者少數負樣不通過報告現在我們要進行本案完成程序後的所有的委員登記發言並截止登記首先請吳思瑤委員請發言每人兩分鐘地方要發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
54625.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
54648.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
好 謝謝謝謝我們請尊重發言委員再一次拜託大家 謝謝謝謝院長謝謝好 謝謝我們尊重發言委員 謝謝請吳思瑤委員請發言好好 謝謝大家 大家辛苦 謝謝啊那你來 大家請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
54658.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
54660.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
所有的公民朋友辛苦大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
54662.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
54687.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
當我們看到國民黨強行碾壓程序毫不正義的裁劃法三讀通過之後他們在這裡大聲歡呼演不住的滿意演不住的得意因為從中央搬走了三四千億國民黨的地方首長就可以盡情的在地方進行政治的綁裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
54689.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
54708.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
你們沒有想到的是﹐你們肥了你們的縣市首長﹐卻是苦了人民害了國家﹐我要跟所有的公民朋友報告﹐國民黨版的採訪法通過之後﹐青年的預算沒有了﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
54709.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
54716.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
每年私校補助3.5萬的大學學雜費會遭殃了現在各大學進行的新宿舍運動可能沒錢了青年海味的圓夢計劃將沒有辦法來進行小子化對策0到6歲國家養的計劃可能走入歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
54736.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
54740.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
關心教育的朋友所有教師的調整教師授課結束輔導費將也就沒有辦法支應了關心文化的朋友我們補助青年朋友一年1200塊的文化禮券也要走入歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
54756.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
54783.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
我們大家都深受﹐好處的T-pass﹐運動的補助﹐也將沒有辦法獲得中央的支應﹐各地的軌道﹐不管是臺中、高雄﹐甚至是基隆、新北﹐這些的預算﹐中央沒有辦法再支應﹐我不曉得國民黨的立委﹐在這裡高興什麼﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
54796.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
54821.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
謝謝吳思瑤委員發言接下來請李坤城委員發言許智傑委員請準備拜託我們再一次拜託會場所有的委員請保持肅靜尊重發言委員的權益再一次拜託大家我們尊重發言委員好不好拜託大家拜託大家拜託大家李委員請李坤城委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
54826.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
54842.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
當然首先要謝謝現在還在立法院外面陪伴我們的所有的好朋友們大家辛苦了這個從禮拜四到禮拜五尤其禮拜五這一整天那寒風細雨陪伴著我們那 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
54843.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
54872.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
我們也覺得很不好意思還是讓這個三個法案那包含這個選罷法、裁劃法、限訴法那都已經通過了那這都是國民黨他們想要通過的法案那尤其是裁劃法裁劃法的確要修但不是修成像國民黨他們所要的樣子但是國民黨要什麼樣子其實他們也不知道因為修了之後到底現在從中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
54873.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
54892.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
問了多少錢到地方 國民黨講不出一個數字出來到底是4千億、3千億還是5千億 完全不知道那民眾黨自己有提案 那民眾黨的提案已經被國民黨丟包了那所以現在民眾黨的這些委員們也都不在議場了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
54893.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
54916.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
那所以說我們一直在強調事權要把它談清楚你要拿到這個錢那你是不是相當的這個權力也要跟著下放在地方那所以我們就一直在講這個地方制度法跟財務法的修改是要一併來做處理的但是很遺憾國民黨他們的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
54917.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
54931.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
只有這個挖錢的一個版本只有修這個財化法只有把財化法就是說錢怎麼去做垂直的分配把它修出去但是他都沒有講說地方上的這個權利他的義務要怎麼去做分擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
54932.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
54961.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
那國民黨的朋友他們這個拍完照之後他們就回去了但是接下來一堆財政的爛攤子才是要由民進黨政府來做承攤的那我相信這個都不是大家所樂見的一個讓台灣的一個中央的財政謝謝李坤成委員的發言接下來我們請許智傑委員發言賴瑞榮委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
54978.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
55003.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
謝謝主席今天真的是很沉痛的一天我們在立法院已經超過24小時從昨天晚上樹葉緋瀉幾枚都在外面挨餓受凍那青鳥們到現在也還在外面陪伴著我們國民黨硬是把這二法、三法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
55004.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
55015.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
選法法、限修法還有裁劃法應是通過我們的民進黨的執政發展經濟照顧作勢國民黨的裁劃法是負貧者欲貧他剛才講過我們的社會福利應該由中央來主導的現在這些錢不知道從哪裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
55028.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
55054.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
包括長照3.0．包括幼托．包括青年貸款．包括就業．包括就學貸款．就學補助．等等社會的住宅等等．這些應該由中央來主導．那各項的交通建設有一樣．台北的捷運企劃．我們國用要不企劃．台中也要不企劃．啊這一個呢．現在醫療．要對對出資．我們地方都要出資． |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
55057.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
55075.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
科資院說我們高雄呢﹐可以計劃300億﹐其實現在是計劃245億﹐但是呢﹐屬於我們要支出的可能要支出更多500億﹐所以我們要倒塌300億﹐高雄六地倒數第三﹐排起高雄縱北侵染對高雄不利的法案﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
55077.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
55100.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
國民黨硬是通過對弱勢不利的法案國民黨硬是通過我們真的是韓國瑜院長我們覺得很痛心可是你還同意我們高雄市民不同意你知道嗎我們一起來唾棄國民黨唾棄國民黨所過的每一個國民黨的立委我們希望說臺灣真的是很悲痛的一天我們會振作繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
55103.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
55124.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
謝謝許智傑委員的發言接下來我們請賴瑞榮委員發言李博義委員請準備今天是立法院我想最讓人悲痛的一天通過了三大惡法其中剛剛通過了這個財政收支方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
55127.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
55152.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
8個版本在一個小時內提出來所以看出來藍白在這邊的倉促立法甚至沒有做準備連原來多少經費都還是在搭編算才出來3753億錢從來以來也從來沒有做討論跟規劃所以這是具有嚴重的財政上的瑕疵的我們認為這是具有相當大的一個問題的同時間在這個部分它將使得南北的差距更加的擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
55153.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
55165.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
這樣的修法完成之後新北將增加374億台北將增加416億新竹將增加210億台北多於台南的相差數額將達到了628億而六都當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
55169.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
55193.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
臺南跟高雄是增加最少的這只會讓南北的落差更加大這絕對不利於臺灣南北縮減南北落差的一個縮減所以包括甚至於高雄南部的部分還南電北送我們還承受了空污的污染承受了所有的影響所以這樣的修法絕對是具有高度政治性只獨厚於北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
55194.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
55208.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
只讀厚於這個特定的讀會區只讀厚於藍營縣市的一個修法我們認為這樣的修法是一個自私的修法是一個充滿政治性的修法我相信所有人民都在看那人民也絕不接受這樣的一個修法的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
55209.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
55224.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
若可以在裁員不清楚的狀況下就恣意的拿走了這樣的經費之後讓南北的差距擴大同時間讓國家重大的建設無法來推動甚至無法來進行那我相信對台灣的未來整體都將是一個重大的災難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
55226.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
55249.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
呼籲全台灣人民應該站出來一起來支持我們應該改變這樣一個做法我們支持行政院知事總統府接下來後續的行動我們要改變這樣一個做法絕不能讓南北的差距持續過大我們絕不接受南台灣人民絕不接受謝謝賴瑞隆委員的發言接下來請李博義委員發言吳秉瑞委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
55258.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
55271.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
非常遺憾、非常黑暗的一天從今天早上的選罷法沒收人民罷免權利而且今天早上的選罷法也是透過非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
55272.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
55299.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
暴力的手段也是透過非常不合正式會議的手段我們雖然疲累但是接著處理的財政收支劃分法更讓我們難過這個財政收支劃分法雖然我來自六都沒有像其他縣市可能剝奪感那麼大但是我來自南部的高雄你知道嗎這一套財政收支劃分法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
55300.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
55318.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
到下午才有真正的版本出來這道財政收支劃分法甚至連跟行政院主計單位討論過到底會從中央拿到多少預算都是才剛剛才算出來這道財政收支劃分法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
55319.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
55338.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
把原本的土地面積的計算方式從20%調降成10%也就是說高雄市面對那麼大的面積必須要負擔那麼多的公共建設必須要負擔那麼大的環境的建設高雄市卻被調低了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
55339.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
55359.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
人口的密度從20%調高到45%有兩個含義第一個雙北他得到的所有的資源會更多會更重北輕南第二個他還是在包裝臺北市的首都3%特別款給臺北市 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
55360.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
55383.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
所以一套財政收支劃分法那麼黑箱的財政收支劃分法可以包藏那麼多縱北包含縱北、青南包含把整個中央政府可能包含國防預算包含各縣市的軌道預算包含各縣市的產業結構預算全部都不列入我們在這裡表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
55385.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
55387.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
非常遺憾立法院用非常粗暴的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
55400.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
55419.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
我認為有非常重大的違憲嫌疑來通過這個財政收支劃分法先不論剛剛大家談到的水平分配國民黨現在是在高興什麼呢因為他把中央挖了3700多億去所以怎麼算每個地方當然都會增加金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
55420.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
55429.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
但是就像剛剛大家提到的他分配的公式跟分配的方法不同所以產生不同的結果原來試算的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
55431.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
55442.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
因為人口結構人口人數占55%然後營利事業的營業額占20%經過最後一個版本的調整逆轉了營利事業的營業額變成30%然後人口比例降成45%這使得分配起來原來全六都 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
55457.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
55481.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
新北市第一名最多的財政分配換成仍然是臺北市最多但是新北市比臺北市多了150萬以上的人口這樣的土地也大八倍這樣子的狀況很不公平而且會產生一個非常不好的後遺症就是各地方的縣市政府會為難企業要求要搶稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
55482.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
55510.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
以後你的工廠給我設在這邊如果你不要來給我做工廠所在生產地的企業不在我這個地方落極那我會地方政府想辦法找你的麻煩都有可能是會發生的最後我要講的是更嚴重的是在垂直分配方面今天講的只有錢的分配但是事權完全都不提連付表裡面都刪掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
55511.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
55538.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
那所以地方政府拿到這些錢不用多負擔他該做的工作這事情對國家絕對是非常不利的謝謝謝謝吳秉瑞委員發言接下來請登記第7號林俊憲委員發言林俊憲委員發言林俊憲委員發言不在場下面登記第8號林楚英委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
55540.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
55563.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
臨楚英委員臨楚英委員不在場登記第9號陳樹越委員陳樹越委員陳樹越委員不在場登記第10號黃秀芳委員黃秀芳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
55566.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
55591.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
黃秀芳委員不在場登記第11號張雅玲委員張雅玲委員張雅玲委員不在場登記第12位羅美玲委員羅美玲委員羅美玲委員不在場登記第13號沈伯陽委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
55594.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
55621.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
沈博洋委員放棄發言登記第14號徐富奎委員徐富奎委員徐富奎委員不在場登記第15號鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在場登記第16號蔡奕宇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
55623.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
55649.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
蔡易瑜委員蔡易瑜委員不在場登記第17號武力華委員武力華委員武力華委員不在場登記第18號賴慧元委員賴慧元委員賴慧元委員不在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
55651.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
55661.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
登記第19號王美惠委員不在場登記第20號陳秀寶委員陳秀寶委員陳秀寶委員不在場登記第21號陳廷飛委員陳廷飛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
55680.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
55706.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
陳婷菲委員不在場．登記第22號林月琴委員林月琴委員林月琴委員不在場．登記第23號陳培宇委員陳培宇委員陳培宇委員不在場．登記第24號蘇巧慧委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
55711.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
55720.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
蘇巧惠委員蘇巧惠委員不在場登記第25號洪孟楷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
55723.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
55745.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
紅夢凱委員紅夢凱委員不在場各位報告院會現在已經將近12點現在11點59分08秒本案三讀之後的發言沒有發言完畢的委員同仁我們改在12月24日星期二下午請這些完成立法程序後的委員繼續發言另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
55748.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
55762.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
12月24日星期二上午9點繼續開會我們進行大法官同意權之行使事項今天非常非常感謝大家各位工作夥伴辛苦了各位新聞界的好朋友謝謝大家我們現在休息 |