| IVOD_ID |
163961 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163961 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T14:22:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T14:37:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff00df194f73aae605ccea2f7e777e01e95441e0052ed6558bb9aa7beedfef2e22d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
盧縣一 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:22:42 - 14:37:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、勞動部部長及衛生福利部部長針對「災後復原重建及清理因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另邀請國防部、經濟部、內政部、賑災基金會列席備詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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主席主席有請我們園民會請園民會好 |
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你有去過災區嗎有去幾次三次三次喔你是怎麼上去的坐火車下去坐火車OK那我是開車所以開車的時候才可以體會說他們五大訴求裡面的第幾項第一項第一項就是 |
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安全回鄉路因為其實如果說坐火車當然是最方便可是如果你要去災區去體會的話我是覺得是要坐車去然後呢你坐車的時候你會你會體會說那些志工或者是志願去的人的辛苦 |
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比如說我現在是從花蓮市要去的話我現在到萬榮鳳林國中然後Google我要去光復國中才可以到災區不然它永遠都導引不了那個地方那也就是說我為什麼會知道呢就是因為有去過才會知道那我們大概看一下這個圖就是 |
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這個圖大概就是最後 我去挖到最後一戶385號佛祖街的門牌的旁邊的一個電線桿也就是說這個地方是最靠近合體的部分那其實他都已經把房子都淹沒了車子也都在這個沙土底下剛才第19位的罹難者也就在沙土底下被找到了就是在不遠處有一個沙石場那我們看下一張 |
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那我最主要請你來的原因是我想問你光復鄉有多少個原住民光復鄉應該是有 抱歉那我告訴你都有一半的人口他的人口有11300人那一半是原住民一共有217人那我想知道說你知道一共有幾人受到災害嗎主要嚴重的有七個村 有七個村 |
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OK 這邊有個圖就是紅色的黃色的這些我們就大概知道說剛才我站的地方就是佛祖街阿陶墨靠近河流的部分我們現在他們有一些想法就是希望能夠有中繼屋這是他們的想法我想知道說現在園民會有沒有跟行政院這邊在溝通說有沒有一個災後重建的一個中心或者是一個專責單位 |
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現在就是在糖廠這邊是有一個前進協調所有政委這邊在做總指揮官總協調官還有顧問在做副總協調官所以他就是以後的專責單位嗎這個可能我這邊就不確定不過目前就是這個協調所在處理這個家園復建的這個動作就是在家園清理這個部分還在努力在進行中 |
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那你大概看了一下你上次站的地方是在哪裡這幾個區我是在阿桃莫阿桃莫 就是最重災區那當然我們大概無論是衛道無論是砂石 無論是垃圾其實是很不適合人在那邊長期工作的那我只是要問你說 |
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你既然目前還沒有一個跨部或是部落的一個家園重建計畫的話現在這個比如說像死亡還有一些震災的這些喪款我們園民會這邊的規劃是怎麼樣 |
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原民會這邊是沒有啟動善款但是我們有針對就是族人的這個貸款補貼或者是企業的這個貸款的補貼都有做預算的準備工作我想一個方向跟主委建議一下在我們就是311日本發生那些海嘯的時候他們對災民是這樣比如說可以減免稅比如說 |
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去哪裡的交通完全是免費的或者是說他醫療是完全免費的他房子的重建可以是政府幫忙的還有他的食物這一兩個月可能不穩定的狀況之下他的食物是免費的還有他的工作可以得到一些 |
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補貼比如說他可以參與救災就可以有一些臨時的公務員報告會裡面已經其實跟勞動部有合作有提出臨時工作計畫那目前已經都有在上工了就是這個部分大概知道那我意思是說我剛有幾個面向讓你知道你可以跟主委建議 |
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中央其實那個一站式的服務剛才包括家園復建等等這些措施其實現在就是已經在推動那我再提一下自救會的一些五大訴求第一個就是安全回鄉路第二個是離災不離鄉第三個是衛生好生活第四個是資訊公開第五個是攜手共創未來攜手共創未來的意思就是說 |
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他們要參與這個計畫而不是被屏除在外而不是被中央跟地方政府互推皮球他們希望能夠參與實際的一個就是說規劃未來的規劃有跟委員報告我參加這個中央協調所這個會議就是部落的代表都可以進來參加都有都有好謝謝好謝謝那我們就請我們環境部請彭部長 |
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我知道部長也有去了嘛現在大概是在清溝的部分那其實就針對大量的淤泥我還是希望你做一些說明好嗎第一個是那個淤泥我們是希望能夠最後再利用那至少說未來的那個水利署他在做那個堤防的時候可以拿來做使用不過也跟委員報告因為量實在太大我們預估這個現在市區清了大概10萬噸我們估計可能是將近可能到100萬噸 |
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那另外一個是農田淤的那個泥但是農業部負責也大概都是600到700萬噸啦所以目前這個這的確未來要花幾年的時間才能夠完全解決這個問題那我們會努力啦這些比較惡臭的味道比如說這些垃圾啊就像早上林淑芬委員在提的就是說跟人的距離是不是要有一些適當的一些隔絕就是在光復市區在糖廠附近那個現在已經在移了那會移到那個比較偏遠的一個地方 |
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因為這個處理要分類要有機器來做篩分有沒有更好的方法可以消散那些味道或者是把它消菌這個我們會努力因為這個可以藉由噴灑一些每天有兩次的噴灑這個清潔藥劑會來處理也不要讓它污染環境好 謝謝 謝謝部長那請我們勞動部長請洪部長 |
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那個天災臨時工的部分我是覺得名額太少那能不能盤點一下就是目前可以可以大概需要的多少工來來上網讓大家說去去apply這樣子跟盧委員說明那個沒有名額上限 |
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所以基本上現在是看需要虛供的單位他提出多少然後找到人然後來送給我們來給我們核所以可能就是一個資訊的不透明有的認為說公告上面他可能看到告訴我說我看到只有10名那10名怎麼夠我說怎麼可能只有10名但我也沒有去看啦我的意思說可能就是要去上網還是要去澄清 |
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跟羅遠說明我們其實現在是我們主動去找地方政府也包括找公所如果公所跟地方政府他有需求的話我們主動他說你來跟我們申請甚至我幫你辦 |
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我幫你主動來提申請的案件我們都已經把它包辦所以這個是會看虛工的單位他有多少需求目前就是大概越來越需要的是專業型的職工嗎是不是其實零工我們並沒有一定限專業型的職工你現在可能沒有工作的人然後你希望能夠為重建貢獻一份心力的人我們都透過零工的津貼可以來給予他薪資上的補貼好 謝謝部長 |
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请我们国防部 |
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我那天去的時候我其實是大概災後第九天可是我看到新聞他說已經清的差不多了可是跟我的認知跟我到的地方我覺得是實在差太遠我能不能誠實的跟國人說你清瑜的這個進度 |
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包委員截至昨天為止在家戶清理的部分第一階段總共是清了1517戶那其中有89戶是比較嚴重因為當初道路還沒有通那後來道路漸漸疏通之後到昨天又多清了47戶現在還有42戶還要等到後續道路這個開通的狀況之後會持續再來辦理 |
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另外有關道路清淤的部分在大安 大平 大華 大馬等五個村主要幹道是都大致清理完畢後續會持續針對小巷子的部分持續來做優化雕用的部隊是哪個區域的 |
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基本上是我們全台各部隊都有去做跨區的支援可是有聽說有些部隊是幾乎是天天去我想說有沒有輪休的概念有 基本上當然是以東部的第二駐岸區為主但是其他的三四五駐岸區都有做跨區的支援我還是希望我們官部能夠注意一下官兵的一些他們能 |
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抗壓或者說壓力的一個等級讓他們適度的休息好 謝謝有請我們衛福部長請時部長 |
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部長好可能也是剛剛說的資訊不透明所以有些人很多人想要去幫忙可是不知道怎麼去幫忙所以甚至有護理人員說他去了那邊不知道窗口他就拿了廚子去當廚工去當那個去挖土那我是覺得說是不是也應該建立這樣子的一個所謂的社群或者是說志工的一個醫護人員的願意去幫忙的 |
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有嗎 有這方面的規劃嗎我們從昨天開始建立了所以有一個群組然後跟那個要來的志工做聯繫啦我們現在就有一個那個平台就是有一個窗口那要去的有醫院的志工先來醫療志工啦我們只管醫療志工來做登記讓我們再去分派這樣 |
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那我剛才有特別提到說光伏箱有217林如果真正的就是說比較受災嚴重的大概100多林嘛那如果其實按照我們的公共衛生的一個層級來看如果以一林一組的話其實會你大概就可以歸納出大概需要多少組人力 |
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那我去那邊實地去看了以後我覺得他的很分散你從鳳嶺一直到這個光復這個區域可能如果是開車大概都十幾二十分鐘以上更何況是步行有的人是為了找OK辦公室為了找生理鹹水是用走路走二三十分鐘還找不到所謂的一個 |
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救護站那他們就有個建議說是不是有個類似如果他們突然一個構想就是一個負偏黨類似像那種騎電動摩托車的可以去他可以背一個像紅石會的一個背心啊到處去看有沒有人有受傷的或者是怎麼樣去送發送這些可以清蒼的一些東西當然這是一個他的想法那我是覺得說真的是要盤點然後做一個比較系統性的讓 |
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當地的族人跟我們的鄉親知道說我們衛生單位確實有在努力好 謝謝然後還有最後就是我們有被通知說有一些 |
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災區的老人家我剛有講大概人口是一萬一千三百多人他的高齡化是全花蓮縣最高的大概將近三成的高齡所以其實你就會知道說當地的醫療需求是非常大那有些人可能因為醫院不知道他是來自災區 |
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然後他就會告訴他說你這個住院時間已經到了他必須要回去結果回去以後他沒有地方可以住那個地方可能也沒有氧氣或什麼所以這個災後的這些醫療轉接跟即時通報的平台應該也要建置然後呢如果他要回家以後他是不是比如說他是住在安置中心甚至有一個居民說他原本是骨折的結果他們被分配到的地方是地下室 |
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也就是說他在通報的時候或者是在轉介的時候沒有做確實的登記才會造成說在照顧上的一個落差會讓民眾會覺得政府不夠努力我明明是骨折的把我分配到這個地方其實做很多一些很trivial的事情就是比較瑣碎的事情所以我希望衛福部這邊能夠多用點心思為災區的民眾去想可以嗎 |
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現在確實有些病人他當時都有受傷現在要出院了但是他家還沒有好所以我們才會有一個方案就是7加7的這個旅宿的短暫居住的補貼那我們會來建立那個社工因為這些都是受傷者 |
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那有社工來安排結合當地的旅館工會安排到有簽約的這些旅宿單位來居住我們會最多可以到10月底之前都可以試用就是7加7 14天當然我也有聽到說 |
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他們知道有兩千塊的補貼可是不知道這兩千塊要去哪裡領要怎麼領 不用 不用他只要住進去這個旅館不可以跟他收都不能跟他收錢然後我們就會給那個所以民眾就不知道啊民眾不需要付錢他就在那邊等說他到底要去哪裡拿這個錢然後去住他這個過程跟程序他就不知道我們現在剛好在那個中華電信那裡開了這個一站式服務可以去那裡詢問那邊都有一個窗口 |
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那就謝謝大家的努力也希望我們台灣的職工能夠這個17萬人變成我們最亮麗的地方謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝盧憲毅委員發言 |