| IVOD_ID |
163950 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163950 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T13:50:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T13:57:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0211cc2b044578ebfcea2f7e777e01e95441e0052ed6558bb4a35e1cf326b66635ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:50:12 - 13:57:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、勞動部部長及衛生福利部部長針對「災後復原重建及清理因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另邀請國防部、經濟部、內政部、賑災基金會列席備詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請部長哪一位部長環境部長有請環境部長謝謝吳委員好部長好 |
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部長您去災區幾趟了我去了三天其實今天早上我的服務處的副主任他也在災區我們可以看得到就是道路的部分都有清理但是還是可以看得到兩側成堆的垃圾跟這些淤泥土石我在上個禮拜去的時候也做過一天的志工 |
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那當時呢成堆成山的我是做那個光復國中那個部分我當時就心裡想這一些可能到後期就是我們要來頭痛的部分那剛好今天的一個報告主題是災後復原重建及清理因應作為那請教部長你有沒有掌握到這一次光復鄉這樣的一個垃圾量大概是多少 |
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包委我們目前到昨天是清了10萬噸我們預期呢如果加上佛祖街還有比較偏遠一點點的這個村進來大概是應該要用100萬噸來算那實際上我從夜報也是看到跟部長您說的資料是一樣就是清理了大約10萬公噸 |
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那麼目前我們看到你們業報上說尋找跟台糖合作六個地方要去佔置這些垃圾大概可以弄到一百萬公噸但是我也看到聯合報的版頭寫著說這次的光復鄉災區會有六百萬噸的淤土殆清所以我想請教一下部長這樣的部分您預估大概要多久 |
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因為這個農田上面的淤土大概有六七百公頃大概將近應該是六百五十萬立方公尺這麼大大概七百萬噸基本上那個是農業部在主責的陳部長也跟我討論過非常多次他們那個很麻煩 |
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那當然我們是討論這個淤泥或是土石的再利用那我們的確往那個走那我們過去的經驗像我們的部分至少兩三年跑不掉那他們的話也至少兩三年跑不掉所以這一些垃圾清淤可能要維持到原來的復原的狀態大概要兩三年的時間 |
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就是說我們移到戰事場那逝去的戰事場我們會盡快把它移到比較離人群比較遠的比較大塊的戰事場有地方了那那個部分可能會留持個兩三年左右的時間好 部長我是在夜報上有看到環境部提出的解決方案 |
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大部分都是屬於回田市就是回田到農地 回田到公有土地也有說要成立沙土的儲備中心去標售拿來做活化利用其中有一項叫做水泥原料 |
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那基本上這個部分其實在前幾天秀林鄉的和平村也就是那個垃圾那個水泥廠的那個部分他們其實已經有得知這個消息還滿緊張的 |
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所以特別想要了解一下因為那個地方的水泥廠它是台泥 它是氣化爐它不是一般的焚化爐所以它必須要經過分類而且還要乾化處理 |
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那另外就是說他的那個地方的環差規定大概每天也只能處理200噸的一個垃圾所以這個部分對於台泥那個地方就是秀林鄉的和平村的村民來講其實他們會有點擔心會不會成為另外一個災民那部長這個部分您怎麼看 |
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報告委員因為我也去台泥實際看他們的新的氣化廠過那目前的那個花蓮市大概是每天產製的熱水量170噸那有大概有30噸的空間啦但是這個跟這個因為我們現在的10萬噸或是未來100萬噸都要再篩分 |
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垃圾歸垃圾這個泥沙淤泥歸泥沙所以未來呢應該是要逐步的去去化然後做妥善的處理一定要分類例如說他是可以燒的木材等等或是不可以燒要別的處理的要做資源回收啦目前我們是朝著這樣方向來進行所以 |
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現在也有人提到就是填海造陸部長您有聽過嗎有那您怎麼看這要看喔因為我們填海造陸不可能把東部的這個土砂運到西部去這個整個價值來花更多的錢所以這的確是一個要去規劃的問題那當然啦那為什麼這麼多的學者專家如此建議 |
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因為我們是來做實事的人建議都有各種的想法來做但是必須要考慮國家的財力還有如何去營運所以我們必須務實的來看這個問題所以現在的意思是說我們按照業報上的這幾種方法來做 |
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要做個兩三年因為站到過去台灣或是全世界遇到這麼大型的製造廢棄物的經驗至少不是那麼快一天幾個禮拜就可以解決的意思就是說目前提出來的這些解決方案是最有效最經濟的嗎 |
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對 當然或許因為我們現在也還沒有做定案這個除了要去爭取最佳的預算之外還要請到一些專家所以目前我們的確包含農業部也請了一些專家土壤的專家去看說有沒有辦法再做更好的利用因為如果要把它挖起來還要再做土壤的改良這個不是兩三年就可以完成的事情 |
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因為這個部分如何分離這些淤泥跟垃圾還有這一些營建廢棄物 事業廢棄物這是一個很重大的工程所以具實在話我們看到那成堆成山的這些淤泥垃圾 |
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我們心情也很沉重因為我們也在想我們一般廢棄物都很難處理這麼大量的垃圾到底要怎麼處理這個是一個很重要的課題所以希望我們衛福部這邊部長您要多花點心思那當然 |
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我們還是要去讓取信於民因為現在大家都是不安心的所以我們還是希望說衛福部中央縣府共同提出光復鄉垃圾清運的解決方式那怎麼垃圾分離堆置場的選擇那什麼樣的一個做法那相關的規劃期程我覺得最起碼要公諸於讓所有的帶地的居民能夠了解可以嗎 |
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會 可以 但是委員拜託給我們多一點時間因為我們還在救災 還在處理當地的衛生問題那大概需要多久我們至少要兩三個月 因為我們要爭取預算爭取預算 這最主要的關鍵那沒有關係 那就兩個月好不好好 謝謝 辛苦 謝謝主席 |