| IVOD_ID |
163944 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163944 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T13:10:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T13:28:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff021f52a5e15e4b657cea2f7e777e01e9590b149bf9762da9245bf4d8e7f7c77355ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:10:09 - 13:28:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、勞動部部長及衛生福利部部長針對「災後復原重建及清理因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另邀請國防部、經濟部、內政部、賑災基金會列席備詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席麻煩先請環境部長跟衛福部長請彭部長跟石部長陳委員好兩位兩位好委員好 |
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我想這次華家沙的颱風在風災之後我想在我到現場其實請你們上來我主要是要先褒獎你們兩位那當然就是說衛福部的部分其實 |
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在風災發生的那個當晚也很抱歉我一直一直在吵衛福部長一直一直吵到三更半夜那也因為我們要也謝謝在衛福部第一時間有就是馬上回應了我們反映的這些災民的問題像健保卡不見啦還有送藥的問題我想當下部長都很明確明快的做了才事然後也非常靈活的 |
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有很多因應的對策這個部分也要給這個衛福部要加獎接下來目前災區遇到一些狀況就是有一些慢性病或者甚至洗腎的這些患者那因為 |
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他們洗腎的地方那個診所可能也是變成重災區了所以他們改到育理其他地方那我想在不管是洗腎或者有其他要看病的這些災民接駁的部分是不是請衛福部可以做好這個服務讓他們無後顧之憂可以去做治療 |
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如果是因為災情的影響造成交通的不方便那個就醫上有障礙我們來研究一下把它劃定出來之後也許我們在那個運用的這個上款的運用方面也有所謂可以用來交通支持的部分 |
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那就麻煩你們安排一下再來就是說那個心理輔導的部分確實在我們有很多外縣市的年輕人打電話回來就是說你看一下這個圖片就是說這個老人家因為在 |
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在这个光复那边很多原乡很多的这个独居老人或者年轻的朋友都在外面工作那他们就是看这样的照片大家眼神呆滞也不知道该怎么办我想心理辅导的部分有一个问题你们到目前为止好像都还没有专线那我们专线专线有吗1925那个是我们平常的专线就有 |
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我想針對這個部分你們可能再加強一下我們來做專案雖然也有人建議說是不是一站是服務站可以設置但是那邊或許也需要個窗口但是那邊其實很混亂人也很多你們好好研議一下我就做這個提醒跟委員報告我們謝謝委員提醒我們也注意到有所謂的獨老者 |
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那我們根據我們之前的造冊這個區域大概獨老的大概72位那有大概50幾位是在收容中心所以在收容中心的目前還有人會互相關照那接下來因為要開始回到他的家 |
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那或者是會短期的到旅宿去居住這個時候我們就要開始做連結所以那個獨老的我們有個專案會來處理我今天大概就舉例這個獨老部分但是我泛指的是其實即便是不分年齡大家都還是會有那個因為包括我去災區連續待了幾天我晚上回去我也是會做夢到那個情景所以我想這個部分請你們再多加強好 謝謝 |
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那個環境部的部分我想是這樣就是說其實我剛剛放眼望去有一個人的膚色很斜眼就是我們顏旭明 顏署長他現在那個你現在的皮膚的顏色應該跟我的雨鞋一樣黑了那是這樣因為環境部的部分當然就是說我們 |
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這個很明顯這麼多的這個淤泥你們的工作量真的很大而且你們還有20里鴻溝人家有10里桃花你有20里的鴻溝還要慢慢清這個都是未來衛福環境部要長期抗戰的部分那因為我在災區的幾天當然也謝謝嚴署長 |
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都有及時回應我們在災區遇到的一些問題那我也跟他一起我們還有那個環管署的幾位工作人員我們到處在找那個暫時的那個迷你迷你站置場不然兩邊的淤泥沒辦法清整個交通動線是很不順暢的所以在這邊因為也看到現場你們很多辛苦的同仁所以在這邊也對對你們表達感謝 |
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謝謝委員但是你們必須要經得起考驗因為後面上百萬噸的這些垃圾還有這些淤泥泥沙這個就是你們應該要好好加強的部分好那也謝謝兩位我沒有請你們上來主要是褒獎你們啦謝謝委員你應該也十天沒回家了吧十二天啦十二天好啦陪過中秋節那好謝謝那我接下來請那個勞動部部長 |
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請洪部長部長有去過災區嗎我還沒好那這個是這樣我想因為你沒有過去我大概描述一下就是說我們到災區第一站大家會遇到會抵達地點就是光復火車站我描述一下那邊的情況因為 |
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因為這次的這個我們華家沙颱風造成這個馬太安顏色湖的破口那這個整個土石流的這個衍生衝擊讓我們光復地區的民眾是遭受到很大的災害 |
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也因為這樣子的災害我們看到台灣人的韌性台灣人的溫暖所以我們有成千上萬的超人們都湧入了光復那第一站抵達這個光復火車站下車的時候 |
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前幾天我在現場那真的是一個無政府的狀態現場亂七八糟的走不進去他從火車站快要走不出來然後我們要去搭火車也上不去那滿滿的都是志工雖然很混亂但是很感人那我要講的是說 |
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這個後來在中央開始介入接手之後呢有這個志工登記的這個站的設置那我要講一下我們在登記出這個火車站的時候有一個景象第一天很多的志工 |
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沒有人登記可能好幾萬然後再來後續這個站設置之後有兩個就是說志工不曉得要去哪裡的他們就會到 |
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那個站報到那園民會也在那邊幫忙那還有一種像我們這種我們就是我們有目的知道要去哪裡我們就覺得我們不用去登記因為登記就要接受指揮他們要分配嘛而我們自己已經有地方去了就沒有登記好現在問題來了 |
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大家想說為什麼要登記都以為要接受分配其實呢真正去登記志工這件事很重要我也要呼籲未來不管你有目的沒目的都拜託大家去登記因為除了要工作分配以外更重要的是志工登記了這個有保險的問題我這樣講沒錯吧 |
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其實最應該在第一天就出現在現場的應該是勞動部我要問一個概念就是因為我們看到從這個媒體的報導還有我們在現場看到的 |
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其實有不少的志工跟民眾已經是被這個玻璃碎片還有鐵片割傷還有這個鐵釘刺傷都有那光是花蓮慈濟醫院截至28日為止已經完成了502例的這個青創縫合手術了 |
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再加上讓我們最難過的是日前桃園挖土機志工我們的怪手超人在第二天受傷但是他忍痛到第八天才就醫所以結果不幸就敗血症死亡 |
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我想事前我們沒有看到勞動部有任何的提醒事後也沒有比較任何的有效的作為那剛剛我還很驚嚇的聽到部長的回答說我們要看看他那天是不是上班時是不是在上班還是怎麼樣我想大家對於這個志工跟保險的概念我想全國甚至包括部長都處於一個 |
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不是很清楚的一個概念所以今天我想這個質詢我即便超過時間我也不願意我也不願意結束是因為我必須要把這件事情講清楚因為10月10月連假還會有更多的志工會往光復跑我們這個問題今天沒有在委員會講清楚沒有解決後面就會繼續發生更多的憾事所以 |
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我想在這邊問一個概念就是說部長你覺得志工有沒有適用職安法就目前志工 |
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跟委員報告如果是自願性去工作的話在職安法是以事業單位雇用勞僱關係為前提他是自願性前去工作他沒有事業單位的概念所以是不是用職安法我想這個是不是用職安法職安法或許他沒有寫的這麼清楚但是他整個精神你整個精神去跟他解釋的話 |
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志工他是適用治安法的或許在一些特定的一些狀況那因為我們這一次這麼多的志工因為政府就是雇主 |
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因為政府也有在呼籲我們需要志工到現場還有指揮調度的問題所以這些連結我想我提供這些你們可以好好的去想一想不要把我剛剛講的話當作開玩笑這些概念聯合加總起來志工 |
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最終我們所以後面我剛剛前面剛剛一直有在呼籲拜託後續大家一定要去登記那這個登記我想還會牽扯到一個問題就是說我們在車站登記的時候他會大塞車啦 |
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那大賽車的狀況你怎麼樣讓他比較快一點因為今天如果大家速度夠快的話你們可以快速看是有APP還是怎麼樣大家可以要去的可以提早現場去登記你們自己去想一下那個系統到底應該要怎麼處理 |
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好那再來我要講一下就是說你們你們可以去看一下看一下這個就是說你們自己在勞動部113年11月29號才剛修正的勞動部推展 |
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劳动志愿服务补助作业要点那这个要点也不是你们现在才定的你们可以做的事情很多除了志工的服务之外呢还有这个教育训练还有这个劳动志工意外事故保险的费用 |
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我想要請部長好好看一下你們的要點為什麼這一次你們卻是因作為而無作為因要趕快立刻第一時間作為卻到現在還沒有很明顯的作為所以有這麼多的這個志工超人都受傷了然後甚至有的生得病了甚至死亡那勞動部有沒有事後可以補救的措施有嗎 |
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跟委員說明的確勞務我們過去比較管轄的其實是所謂的勞工就是是在一個勞僱關係或者是有一個勞動對價上面的一個關係的這樣子的勞工的朋友這過去是我們比較管轄的範圍是在這個範圍裡面 |
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所以不管是剛才講到職安法也好 災保法也好其實就法規來說的話比方說如果是純粹的志工的話的確沒有在災保法的適用範圍內但是我這邊要說的是說確實我們過去在有一些在作業安全上面因為 |
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保安商職安署在這方面比較多一點的經驗所以我們也很願意來提供我們在這個在作業安全上面如果怎麼樣預防防範或者是這些風險管控的一些經驗來給我想現場的這個志工的朋友來作為這樣子的參考這部分我們願意來做我想這個要點的部分你們也回去好好再看仔細因為我要舉個例子啦其實 |
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環境部他們的這個我剛講他的20里鴻溝本來是30公里啦那現在清了10公里但是他們有沒有需要志工很需要但是部長敢不敢登高一呼說我需要志工他不敢因為就是牽扯到這個保險的問題也怕志工受傷誰要負責所以 |
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環境部長他還很主動的做了一件事情就是他去拜託經管會的主委說拜託你可不可以幫忙協調一下保險公司針對志工來設計這個保單剛剛衛福部長也有講到其實這些可能最早都應該我覺得應該是勞動部 |
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也應該要參與去做的事情那可能部長的表情很扭曲我不曉得我一直覺得這個概念上大家還是有一點模糊所以這個部分我想我今天 |
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大概 跟委員說明剛才其實我有在下面跟彭部長還有那個石部長我們就在討論是不是怎麼樣來協助志工的朋友那這個跨部會的協助志工朋友比方說有沒有可能用商業保險的方式來去做這樣的加保那這個保險的部分怎麼來設計我們剛才其實就是我們剛才下面的時候就一起討論這個問題 |
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對啦那因為主要志工他有個人的也有團體的那當然我們也不能說針對團體去做而已啦所以各式各樣志工的樣態你們都要掌握要了解然後都要想盡辦法讓這些志工們受到保障才行 |
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我想大概我主要要表達的是因為在你們要點裡面你們是要商請全國性的志工團體在光復車站也要為這些志工們登記要提供這些旨在預防的建議甚至你們要派員去發放防護用品跟現場走動輔導所以這些你們都應該要好好掌握我想我們是 |
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我去現場我去看了我有看到慈濟我也有看到有一些社團也有看到民進黨團黨部的這些志工們在現場在協助那但是我沒有看到勞動部的根文說明好其實我們因為這個 |
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光復這邊其實是我們北分署的範疇所以我們其實在光復這邊其實我們有一個育理的就業中心那在這段時間育理的就業中心也不斷的跟縣政府包括跟鄉鎮公所去聯絡因為我們其實有一個零工的計畫如果有需的單位我們現在沒有要討論我跟你講你剛剛講到零工的計畫也是個問題今天會去現場幫忙的志工 |
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沒有什麼人想要領錢的啦那個零工計畫跟志工是不一樣的事情我說零工計畫跟對不一樣的事情我時間已經到我們會把後續在作業安全上面如果有需要協助的部分的話那我們會來提供我們這樣的經驗讓現場志工在相關的工作裡面的作業安全有多一點可以參考的地方 |
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對啊我真的很擔心我看你們表情一直就就是覺得我覺得那個志工的那個概念大家還是很模糊啦那但我覺得兩個部會其實都已經清楚了所以麻煩你們加油一下好不好好謝謝謝謝陳英委員發言那我們休息20分鐘 |