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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第22次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分（不含國家安全局部分)。（處理）12月16日、18日及19日（三天一次會）） |
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我們時間到9點了我們恢復開會昨天大家辛苦了我們昨天審查到晚上8點審查到369案空軍完軍那今天我們要繼續從370案憲兵指揮部開始那審查的方式也是一樣那第一個我們能夠有共識的就請業管單位報告共識那如果我們在 |
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第一輪協商能夠達成共識我們盡量把它解決那如果真的大家看法不一致本席會把它移到二輪這樣可以更有效率更集中時間來討論有爭議的部分第二個在今天雖然昨天講過今天還是要提跟大家再報告一次禮拜四顧立雄部長要到總統府開會那假單其實他已經昨天送來我也宣達大家都知道了所以待會 |
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10點半到12點半我們準假那經過昨天開會也知道其實多數都是業管單位在講那這個顧部長他總統府會議結束如果我們這邊還在繼續的話他隨時會趕回來這個是假的部分好我們現在來處理370案來請說明 |
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第370案法制及法務作業委徐曉新委員關切憲兵兩要營衛少勤務及高階幹部法制交易問題本案以提供說明資料與委員辦公室建請同意下修凍結金額為10萬元提出書面報告後時的動資懇請委員指導那個370370案 |
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在稍待的過程我把昨天保留到二輪的也讓各位助理也知道了方便你們可以準備資料昨天進入二輪的部分原來有林楚英委員的要進入二輪昨天我們在晚上的會議林楚英委員把這個改組決議所以待會二輪會在 |
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問一次然後我們就解決掉了第二個是9393案到97案一般彈藥購置與維護這一個案其實就是紅准的案這個是93到97案我們移到二輪然後另外160 161案這個就是列銷案攻擊無人機飛彈系統這個預算怎麼處理 |
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第三個一到第二輪的是268案到271案遣件國照第三階段後續件籌件我們昨天改組決議的是原型件海昆號的二階段改組決議預算都照列 |
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昨天移到二輪的是潛艦國造的後續艦第三階段的籌建昨天也經過大家充分溝通部長也回復不凡我們雖然是要籌貨7架7艘但是第一次簽約是兩艘而且這個簽約會根據當時的裝備當時的價格並不會說一次去簽14年的約 |
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昨天有做說明我們希望在第二輪的時候能夠順利昨天大家很辛苦這個才是委員會中心主義昨天我們這樣討論到現在僅有三個案三大類的案移到第二輪徐委員找到了 |
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好來我們370案這個需要委員意見那因為呢我先跟大家說明一下齁那我從370案往後以後很多都是針對這個當時縣指部呢211營發生這個憲兵舉槍自傷的事件那尤其是當時喔這個跟顧部長是沒有關係的齁就特別跟您說明特別要向大家說明一下避免誤解 |
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那時候被大家發現說縣指部的高層在立院答詢的時候說都有佔兩歇六這些發言是記載在公報中後來才發現說其實不僅沒有 |
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甚至有站二先二、站二先一的情況可能在人力上面配置當時也有所不足所以後續縣指部這邊也做了一些改善但是我想我們在預算審查的時候還是要稍微予以懲戒讓大家能夠知道這件事情然後大家可以更用心面對錯誤 |
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所以說因為他有好幾個所以我想我挑一個小幅度的刪減跟凍結然後我再來就是一個主決議剩下都讓他們照列通過相關的部分所以我們現在看一下先問一下國防部這樣可不可以 |
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我簡略（因為我簡略的有（第370（373（373來我看一下373這樣好不好用373按著動著檢你把數據提出來好那373你們的數據來提出來一下373因為你要逐一呈見嘛來凸顯這個當時回答的草算對對對我主要是為了這件事情金額的部分金額的部分有委員來提啦好 |
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國防部主管收支公開及機密部分（ |
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主席,這是幫你處理這件事情。剛才那一筆是基層單位的便當錢。不要動那一個。那那一筆照列通過好不好。我那一筆看錯了。來,等一下,沒問題沒問題。等一下等一下,我們找一下。373,你要幫我翻到373呢? |
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等一下我們找一下不好意思因為我想說這樣一次處理掉對大家來說是比較快速的因為你有簡略的只有373那沒問題那我們就用凍結的就好了好不好我找螢幕來凍結37等一下那個趙烈通過我等一下會講對那個都有373 |
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三七零可是這個金額它的原列數就不高了那我看一下往後翻喔三七 |
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372372是黃人的那是黃人的等一下我看一下因為其實我一直都沒有要那個啦我哪一幕看一下教育訓練呢374教育訓練 |
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我講374那個母數就不高了啦不不不 我要看後面比較多的對 377你覺得377動員整備這一筆好不好377那是馬文君委員的我看一下你的在37其實因為我都很少啦我沒有要委員那個母數都不高啊對啊母數不高沒有關係啊因為我就是燒魚凍結而已啊 |
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三七零三七九可是三七九是那個裝備裝備不要了我們用三七零好了三七零動十趴好不好三七零剛才建議的是多少錢建議是凍結十萬元十萬元可以啊十趴十二萬他十趴是不是不太行十趴就十二啊差不多了十二萬可以嗎 |
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本期的財事 |
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三百七十案限止部的業務費凍結十二萬就是百分之十然後書面報告後使得凍支請同意使得凍支那書面報告內容請涵蓋委員書面跟口頭詢問部分再來三百七十一到三百七十三案請說明 |
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第371至373案行政事務為馬文均委員、黃仁委員及徐曉興委員共同關切371及373案為馬文均委員及黃仁委員共同關切憲兵兩要因兵員不足373案為徐曉興委員指導各層及主管訊息傳遞衛生周延審密本部均已向委員辦公室說明及提交說明資料建請同意並按改列為主決議懇請委員指導 |
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來馬委員謝謝同意改列組決議這個提案主要也是希望可以中式邊線筆還有情務分配的合理性好我們來處理這個案子哈371馬委員提案改組決議372不予處理373同意照列來再來處理3來請說 |
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三七四到三百七十五案那這個剛已經溝通過了同意照列再來376案請說明 |
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第三百七十六萬贈贈綜合作業為馬鴻鈞委員關切通訊費增加原因不明本部前以自委員辦公室說明並提供完整資料竟請同意預算照列根據委員指導謝謝馬委員謝謝主席這個部分我們同意照列不過我們希望因為我們現在在木兵的部分或者其他的業務就是說 |
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我們可能有給電話費然後可是沒有給手機所以如果說像聯輔導長或者有工商手機需求的比較基層的單位希望他們是可以申請這個手機雖然不好用可是你至少不用自己再花錢買不然你的手機本身就要有雙卡的功能所以這個部分我們希望可以做到這個這個訴求那另外 |
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好OK所以同意照列啦同意同意照列然後請憲兵就這些意見評估一下是對因為當買手機還有一個財產財產的維保的問題因為我們本來就有手機啊他們做了很多手機啊他們那個那種不好用的那一種對啊可是因為他只是募兵或者一些通知這樣而已啊好來我們剛才是在377嘛376 |
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376照列來377請說明第377案動員整備為盲軍委員關切114年較糟人數及預算編列問題本部遷移至委員辦公室提供完整資料並說明 |
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建請同意改列為主提議根據委員指導來毛委員好 謝謝這一提案同意改組決議不過我們主要發現的是我們現在作業費都編得很寬人事費就編得比較緊而且人事費是要回國庫的那作業費你編得很寬它是可以留到管制預算那所以這個部分因為我們看到我們教召的人數比113年還要多就是 |
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教召的薪水變少嗎 |
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總數應該要變多,總數沒有變多,是這個意思嗎? |
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378案請說明 |
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第378案通信電子與資訊管理為盲軍委員關切站臺編列電路費問題本部建議自委員辦公室提供完整資料並說明進行同意預算招列懇請委員指導來那個提案委員 |
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三七八、三百七十八、通信電子同意照列同意照列好三百七十八案同意照列來三百七十九案這個我們昨天是不是都統凍十趴 |
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因為統動了齁所以這個部分就是照列 主決議就可以了好不好沒有就用你的動10%就可以啦一樣沒有那個我先問一下謝局長我知道謝局長我們昨天是不是這個新式手槍步槍的好像都動10%是不是 |
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徐委員同意照列徐委員 |
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我們379案凍結10萬書面報告這書面報告就好了啦書面報告適合動之對不用精通 |
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好再來380案到382案請說明 |
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第380至380案遙控無人機防疫系統為徐曉勳委員、華倫委員及馬文君委員共同關切380案為徐曉勳委員關切干擾系統性能應重新評估381至383為華倫委員與馬文君委員關切進度延宕問題本部請以提供說明資料與委員辦公室並致委員辦公室實施說明見及同意併案凍結一千萬懇請委員指導 |
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徐維園 |
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你跟馬委員你跟馬委員來我們聽一下馬委員意見 |
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好謝謝這個部分同意改動一千萬其實理由很簡單他就是進度落後還有裝備沒有取得所以這個部分凍結一千萬如果有完成以後我們就解凍好380到382案以馬文君委員的提案為主提案並按處理凍結一千萬書面報告經同意後使得動之好383案請說明 |
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第383案國軍警備勤務車臺患為馬鴻軍委員關切增防機車採購問題本部遷移至委員辦公室提供完整資料並說明建請同意預算照列懇請委員指導來同意照列好383案同意照列我們處理384到385案 |
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第384案及385案無人機反制系統違反軍委員及林玉君委員共同關切進度問題本部軍已致委員辦公室提供完整資料並說明建請同意併案凍結500萬提出說明書面報告後時得動之根據委員指導來那個提案委員那個林玉君召委 |
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針對385案因為陸軍的統建編列有9.8億然後招標建制有26套的無人機反制系統然後光這個的話憲兵指揮部就配到3800萬元購買然後這個計劃已經流標兩次了整個計劃都一直在延宕還被審計部提出審核 |
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所以縣指部雖然有來說明但是他們在今年的11月21號開標那規劃12月上旬的話裝備驗測那今天已經12月19號那驗測了沒 |
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入軍統建向委員報告這兩個案子在前兩週的POC目前都達到合格後面會需採購的程序來辦理評選你的合格我要提醒一件事情我們有三個東西要整合在一起 |
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3007.892 |
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你不能用單獨計分然後加總總分那不叫三個整合你必須是三個功能哪三個功能我就不講了要這三個功能的綜合分數也就是三個同時開啟否則我一二項拿高分我第三項拿零分這就不叫三項整合你懂我意思嗎我上次有跟你們提過 |
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這個標案內容廠商我都不去討論但是我們國軍要籌會一個整合三種功能那就要三種功能都存在都堪用如果三個功能有兩項非常傑出優秀很高分結果另外一個 |
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馬委員有意見嗎?我跟林昭偉是一樣的意思他簡單就是進度落後還有剛剛應該要求的條件他必須要求所以還是凍結 |
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動輒剛才輸的是500嘛好這個是384、385無人機反制系統動輒500萬元書面報告經同意後使得動支來386漢請說明第386漢兼徵行無人機為林益君委員關切性能腰症及其他問題剛才384、385以林益君委員的當主題案好了然後並案動輒500萬書面報告經同意後使得動支來繼續386 |
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第386萬兼徵醒悟人及委林益君委員關切性能要求及價格問題本部簽一致委員辦公室提供完整資料並說明建請同意改列主決議藤青委員指導來 那個天文有沒有意見來 林益君委員 |
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針對386案這個縣指部已經有來溝通了這是海軍的統建案採購契約在今年8月26日已經簽約了已經針對兼徵型的無人機規格訂定但是有保密對抗干擾的功能還有具有可設定避障的功能但是功能的要求都已經在合約中辦理交換驗收那我可以再確認一下就是說你們有預定什麼時候交換還有什麼時候驗收嗎 |
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3130.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3130.638 |
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林昭偉對預算的意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
第387案攻擊無人機飛彈系統委馬榮軍委員關切是否如期貨裝本部簽一次委員辦公室提供完整資料並說明建請同意預算照列 坑君委員指導 |
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3174.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3196.306 |
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同意照列我們387同意照列再來處理388案新型步槍林毅君委員提案第388案新型步槍為林毅君委員關切雷射模組性能本部簽一字委員辦公室提供完整資料並說明建議同意凍結一百萬根據委員指導來林毅君委員 |
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3197.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3197.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
大軍你做了什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
3231.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
他本來頭髮很多的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
知通電軍就位好 我們來處理知通電軍的預算389案來請說明委員好 第389案是行政事務一般事務費為徐曉欣委員針對前監察官參與吸金案應提出改善計畫的一個提案指導本部也提交這個說明資料及稱譽作為懇請同意明語刪減及凍結恭請委員指導 |
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是389還是先幫他改啦來預算書 那個美希慢慢來 |
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這個部分呢是當時這個資通電軍的督察室的校監察參謀官那他有涉嫌違反銀行法的部分所以我們希望能夠提出這個檢討改善的計畫那原本我的劣勢20%那我想也不需要這麼高那我就凍結50萬可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3307.27 |
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3307.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
再來第390案 |
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第三百九十案為馬文君委員針對設施秀商維護及管理的一個預算編類執行內容及執行的方式要呈付說明本案已經向委員辦公室實施說明進行同意免許刪減凍結金額依委員的提案為五百萬並向委員會提出書面報告後是個動之感謝委員馬委員 |
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主要是我們看到雖然它經費增加不過它大部分當然要改善一些設施不過很多都是電力設施現在因為我們所有的電費不斷的攀升所以我們也希望說在這個部分可以尊潔使用然後因為冷氣要換掉285台如果它當然老舊是有必要那是不是就是在需求上就是剛剛的原則另外就是說它在 |
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所有營區都要做電力檢測這是有特別想要做什麼嗎也希望把它一併把它的需求說明清楚你們那個說明以外我印象馬委員在我印象是巡大之後提到我們要裝冷氣還要花一筆錢叫什麼設計費什麼的那個部分你們真的要研究一下能夠幫國家省錢就省錢因為一般我們在裝冷氣 |
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他賺這筆錢他就要幫忙做這個東西那是不是當然依照法規都要有PCM都要有這個東西但是因為你們是購置冷氣這筆錢有沒有其他更有效的做法一方面把它寫在那個報告裡面好不好然後那個馬委員這個是凍結500嗎你答應500喔 |
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3441.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
三百九十一案凍結五百萬書面報告後這要不要經同意 |
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三百九十一案請說明三百九十一案為馬文清委員針對配合行政院設置太陽光墊的部分要做一個陳述說明這本案已向委員幫製作說明建請同意免允三件及凍結同意照列 |
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3508.494 |
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391同意照列另外黃仁委員雖然沒有到場他有提出來我覺得我們各位同事原則上我們在委員會我們盡量讓每個人意見表達然後盡量尊重每個委員的立場所以在可以的方式下本席會盡量涵蓋最多的人黃仁委員他把他的預算提案改組決議那因為他不在場我們通常是不處理各位委員我把他改組決議有沒有意見 |
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3509.815 |
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3513.299 |
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沒有意見的話我們把它改組決議392、414我們記一下黃連委員的392案、414案、454案、462案、466案、467案他在查什麼意思 |
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3532.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3534.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
以上這些案子預算同意照列改組決議 |
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3548.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3552.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
第三九二案及第三九三案並案分別為黃仁委員及馬文君委員針對資訊服務費的預算增列需求及執行方式陳復說明 |
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3574.298 |
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3580.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
本案已分向委員（辦公室都實施說明（進行同意改列為主決議（恭喜委員指導 |
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3591.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3596.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
各單位不要無限上綱的買因為國軍整體應該是由全職單位下去綠定他的資安軟體他的金額範圍因為有一些軟體其實非常高然後有些也很普通可是你比較重要的單位反而沒有那麼多錢可以買到比較好的 |
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3613.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3613.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
．三天一次會議 |
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3633.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3637.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
我們現在希望說有些像現在自通電軍他有些授權從兩年變成一年等於說廠商說了算所以我們現在有很多大概在資安的部分會有一些亂象那像這樣的資安軟體的費用從114年他會增加1800萬 |
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3652.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3653.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
政程﹖ |
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| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3697.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
提案改組決議預算同意照列但是支通電軍應該是我們專業軍種那對於相關的資訊不管攻守之間可能你們需要的等級我們不反對你們用更好的裝備更好的軟體但是請妥善的完整規劃那軍方要用的跟速發部的治安署要用的 |
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3697.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3711.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
394、395、395 |
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3711.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3740.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
不予處理那394的部分是馬文君委員提案請說明第394跟395的部分的併案分別為馬文君委員及黃榮委員針對軍事單位裝備零附件的購置及保修的預算增列的部分的陳述說明那本案也向委員辦公室做說明建議同意免許刪減那下修併案為凍結一千萬並向委員辦公室提出這個說明資料後是個動之懇請委員支持 |
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3743.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3756.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
請說謝謝主席這個部分其實在其他的軍種大概也是一樣的現在我們各軍種的戰鬥各裝它裡面的項目非常多舉例說比如說像雨衣還有水囊、太陽眼鏡還有什麼帽子是穿的下個案 |
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3763.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3763.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
請稍等一下 |
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3791.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3802.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
現在這個比較主要的原因是因為我們現在有些戰鬥客裝他是讓我們的義務役可以帶回去對不對是嗎戰鬥客裝沒有吧所以你這個後勤的可以給帶回這個你們醫療包有讓他們帶回去嗎好像也沒有喔都要繳回喔 |
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3819.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3819.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
主席 |
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3839.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3850.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
長輩役的因為你義務役其實他來的時間並不長他使用的那個也不是那麼頻繁可是反而我們長輩役用的都是舊的這個部分我們希望可以做一個調整或者應該要去怎麼樣做一個規劃 |
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3854.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3875.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
戰鬥各裝有效期的防彈背心幾年有效防彈頭盔幾年有效所以常備役因為待的役期他時間比較長4年4年再10年的所以他的裝備會到效期前才會更換這是一個那義務役進來我們以前我不知道現在義務役都用新的我們以前義務役進來套的衣服上面都還有洞 |
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3878.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3880.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
請注意我一定要強調一件事情裝備是用來用的 |
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3896.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3916.124 |
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裝備用來有刮痕有沾土那是光榮的標誌我們後勤單位常常要求職業軍人退役繳回的時候繳的要跟新的一樣那個環扣要擦得ㄅㄧㄤˋ亮齁這個不對啦好不好我們希望在部長的領導下這一個文化建立起來就是裝備是鼓勵國軍弟兄用的 |
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三百九十四案三百九十六案請說明 |
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第三百九十六萬為馬文君委員針對後勤及補給資源的預算陣列需求及編列方式的陳付說明本案也向委員辦公室實施說明進行同意免許刪減凍結下修為五十萬並向委員會提出書面報告後時可動之恳請委員支持提案委員 |
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這個部分有做過說明我們希望他在吸行裝備的使用上面因為有一些價格有調整那同意凍結50萬好396案同意凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍資來397、398請說明第397及第398案併案那分別為徐曉星委員針對遙控無人機的 |
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UTS防禦系統及馬居委員有關於裝備延誤部分的陳副說明本案已分向委員、辦公室提交書面資料及說明建議同意銷修凍結兩千萬我們這個有一個邏輯10% |
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這個我反正同意照列所以就看毛委員這一個部分他有比較重要的鏡頭裝備根本沒有到所以他到底會後續會怎麼樣還不曉得所以我們同意下修不過就是兩千萬兩千萬一一一千二 |
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三百九十七案、三百九十八案並案處理以三百九十八案為主提案並案凍結預算額度的10% |
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書面報告經同意後（使得動資來399案請說明第399案委員馬文基委員（針對兼徵型無人機114年的交貨進度是否能達成（包含後續的整理後期部分的陳腐說明本案也向委員辦公室實施說明進行同意免允刪減下修為凍結1000萬並向委員會提出書面報告後（是可動資公請委員指導來提案委員請說好 |
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第三百九十九案凍結一千萬元書面報告經同意後實的凍支再來第四百案第四百案為馬文俊委員針對第三代陸續系統114年是否能夠如期的完成手套的裝備接裝以及中科院裝備完全整個測試部分本案也向委員辦公室說明建議同意下修為凍結一億元並向委員辦公室提出書面報告後實的凍支恳請委員支持 |
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這個部分從109年到116年全軍總共要78億光是治安跟保密器治安監控跟保密器是中科院執行的中科的保密器是明年要交我們看到現在提到的像我們陸區系統預計 |
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明年要交50套嘛第一批他大概有往後一點是不是他到底能不能相容我們也不曉得因為他等於要跟誰相容就是這個我們已經跟美方也開過PNR所以到時候這個是中科越產裝備也會跟美方來做一個系統性能測試跟整個測試 |
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中央政府的資安次系統其實是資安對接的東西而且我們像有些載具是翻修的就是說只要他可以做到這樣子最重要還是要能夠相容他主要才能夠發揮目標是對接你如果不相容的話就變開玩笑所以相容是基本過關門檻相容之後還有其他規範因為美方在前一批的 |
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理事長有要說明嗎 |
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涉及機密就不用說了啦沒有就是所有的PMR我們都有參與那有關對接的部分也都把規格兩邊有看好這個Compatible沒有問題啦OK好這個是我看一下哈400案凍結1億書面報告經同意後使得凍支來現在處理401到402案那402案提案人不在不予處理請針對401案說明 |
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第400案為馬文勛委員針對環島第2路由及通知系統的這個微波建置案那我都常常設計等相關的一個監照等向了陳副說明那本案也向委員會實施說明那建議同意下修為凍結1000萬並向委員會提出說明報告後是個凍值1000萬是將近六分之一超過六分之一 |
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您們是溝通過的嗎?溝通過我尊重我的意思是說你們還是要注意到執行上預算的這個部分我把為什麼為什麼我們其實他凍結的你是路由器的建立嘛還有那個微波系統嘛對 |
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其實它的重要性過去比如說像之前軍中負責哪一部分比較機敏的部分他大概都只知道自己負責的點可是我們這一次是要把它委外你委外等於說那個廠商會知道我們所有全貿你每一個點都他們知道你要怎麼樣去防堵說這個這麼機敏的這個部分我們環島的光纖他所有的我們的 |
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請傳（包括位置、地點（我們所有的骨幹的節點（其實可能會不會造成影響（這是一個好問題（那不是錢的（那個自動電軍（你們這個若是偽商建制的話（對於我們所有布置的點（有時候我們軍方連高階降臨都不知道（就布置的點（然後他傳遞的方式（ |
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然後它的線路有時候不用打點我把線路挖掉就好了線路的買色你們怎麼做到保防 |
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你們怎麼處理跟委員報告這部分包含在開票前我們針對這個所有投標廠商資格因為我們限定只有國內的廠商那包含到要簽字要簽訂這個保密的特別保密條款的相關保密切結包含他離職後的部分讓我們有成立專案的辦公室在他的背景溯源你們說到第幾層一直到他的這個下游的廠商都包含在裡面他的最終受益人就他的古今成分的最終受益人是是是 |
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因為這個部分我們也不曉得說你用簽保密協定或者說他最後下游是不是可以很有效的去掌控因為他真的牽涉到我們所有全貌因為他廠商等於知道不管是規格流量地點全部都是在他掌握之中我們自己都還不知道軍中任何不管包括可能最高我們的部長或其他的其實都還不知道我們從過去到現在大概都只知道自己的點我旁邊有什麼這樣而已這個 |
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給你們一個建議有時候商業界像沈波亮委員對這方面應該也是行家就是說商業界在處理這種我避免外部out-sourcing掌握到我的全貌我會把它拆成好幾塊我不要一包處理全部 |
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委員長 |
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陳永康委員 |
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第403案為馬文俊委員針對展覽公務車的車輛的籌補與規劃不同部分 |
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的陳復說明本案迎向委員辦公室做說明進行同意免於凍結懇請委員支持同意照列403案同意照列來404案請說明換偵探局來請換偵探局偵探局是被誰一直誇獎被徐委員誇獎對不對徐委員不來維護一下趕快 |
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政戰局長最近腰受傷所以他是帶傷來協商那表現有所差池請大家多受包涵他帶著傷他身上還包著好我們現在來404404案馬文俊委員提案來請說明 |
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徵案局報告第404案為馬文君委員針對國軍英雄館落日條款提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意下修為凍結500萬並向委員會提出書面報告經同意後時的凍支 |
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這個部分同意下修我們希望馬委員這筆經費是處理英雄館的事情嗎這筆預算是嗎還是處理基層的業務費這個是我們的行政事務費我是跟馬委員討論一下當然我尊重你們協商的過程因為這筆預算是基層各單位的行政費 |
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那剛才你講的那個我也贊成所以是不是我們不要去動到那個基層單位的費用把你要的東西看綁把它綁在另外哪一筆預算上這個是基層的行政費倒不是那個國軍英雄館的事情你想一下因為他只是提出作為啦我覺得他提出作為那我們還是凍結啦你把那個包括 |
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國軍英雄館是一個因為現在要延五年了嘛可是像教師會館或警官會館其實他們都還是有自己對於自己的身份去特別照顧的一個方向如果說我們國軍英雄館至少如果你沒有辦法去維護這個那是不是有什麼所有軍人是可以有這樣的福利照顧其實都應該一併把它做出來這可能也在業務向下啦我希望可以做出一個 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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然後你大概只有軍人本身去他可以受到一些優惠可是軍眷就沒有比如孩子或老婆或者先生大概就沒有比如說像局長如果你去有可是你的家人其實也要同時當你忙的時候他們也沒有辦法照顧到這是我們當時應該要照顧的一個原因所以這個部分如果把這個做出一個書面就好了啦好不好這個凍結數到25%你們OK齁 |
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我跟委員報告一下就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
中央政府總預算案 |
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4404案同意凍結200萬書面報告後始的凍支 |
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4734.024 |
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接下來是405到415案來請說明是針對405到415等11案感謝馬文君委員等7位委員針對政戰綜合作業費預算的相關指導報告如下恭請委員指導 |
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第405案為馬文君委員針對自殺防制工作獎金預算編列的一個提案感謝委員的指導本案已經向委員說明現請同意預算照列 |
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4792.829 |
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我這個案子我沒問題啦但我希望還是能夠有一個主決議第一個就是因為現在國防部的不實消息不實消息越來越多啦所以我還是希望就是至少能夠針對國防部他們在回應這些外界的假消息的時候能夠有一個機制啦希望還是有一個主決議來 這個我來併案處理啦你們同意凍結400嗎我知道 我現在問你們的預算數 |
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你們是大家同意照列還是同意凍結一定數額?就是405到415對是預算數的溝通是怎麼樣?412因為個案有個案的對有關預算的部分有沒有?有是凍結多少?100我有3喔412有3因為個案 |
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405案建議預算照列 |
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馬唯你看一下405案同意照列有問題當場提出再來406案405我講一下因為最近大家而且我們政戰局大概在這個部分也都有著墨甚至也有編預算可是我們希望在這個部分還要特別幫我們軍中的心腹人員特別再講一下因為通常在發生事情的時候他們是第一個被苛責的對象 |
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國軍的心腹人員其實也非常辛苦他除了自己的本務以外他還要去關心這一些那現在他有很多的因素 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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4910.439 |
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大概發生事情就會說新府人員能力不足沒有證照不夠用心我覺得對他們是一個比較大的傷害所以這個部分是不是有其他的方式來強化可是我們也希望也可以兼顧到我們所有的新府官他們本身他們的立場那在這裡包括他們也有自己的業務跟家庭所以以 |
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以這個部分來說我們希望可以加強好我知道我現在先把預算數確定一下好不好各位有什麼意見可以表達沒有問題第一個405案征戰局共同結果是同意照列是我們先處理預算的處理方式是那個別委員要垂詢什麼我們待會再來發言是好那406案那個徐曉鑫委員是同意照列吧對我們建議改列主決議他有要改主決議嗎是有嗎OK嗎好主決議 |
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407 案 |
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407案、409案跟413案分別是王定宇委員、羅美玲委員跟黃仁委員針對新府人員證照具有專業證照人數不高的這個提案感謝委員指導本案依委員的提案辦理建議併案凍結100萬並向委員會提出書面報告後時的凍值這個100萬這個是408 |
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第407、第409、第407、第409、第413第408 |
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你這樣就兩百囉 |
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我剛剛一直問你們預算額度在問這個事情現在併案的100加上個案的100這樣就200了沒錯我綠網我們在一併處理好再來陳冠林委員的411再來沈博洋委員的是第412案為沈博洋委員針對軍事科普闢謠等領域的宣傳策略跟經營媒體政策的提案本案已向委員說明感謝委員指導建請委員同意預算照列 |
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我沒問題但我還是在講一下就是說還是要注意就是我之前有提過的畢竟很多記者他會看起來好像拿到內部的一些爆料爆料如果是針對內部的改革是很好但有些根本就在寫假消息所以這個部分真的是必須要注意有時候不是陣戰的鍋可能是各軍種他們自己去再接觸記者的時候但這個現象現在變得越來越嚴重是趙立民再來陳冠廷委員的部分 |
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第411案以及第412案分別為陳冠廷委員跟馬文君委員針對全民新世界增加600萬預算編列的一個提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請兩案併案3減200萬元 |
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每次要再衝那個瀏覽人數的時候因為我們自己的辦公室有很多退役的軍官那他們過去的經驗就是要瘋狂的轉到每一個群組叫大家一定要點要按讚然後要留言那這其實他們只看前面三秒鐘因為他們要按讚留言瀏覽而已就不要衝這種數量但是以他是他不是以 |
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415 415萬 |
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馬文君委員羅美林委員 |
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我提案的部分408同意下修動結束100萬不過這個比較主要的是因為我們現在有要委外找心理醫師那這個部分可能在兩個方向去編的預算一個在征戰局一個在軍醫局一個300多萬一個1900多萬可是在我們有看到我們這個 |
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預算就是你可以自己出去看病只要我覺得心情不好就可以去看病對不對那一年可以看6次一次1600塊 |
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現在衛福部在113年8月開始已經有了15到45歲青壯世代心理健康支持方案他去看心理醫師他一輩子有三次免費 |
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所以當我們在編這樣的預算其實衛福部已經有免費的部分我們這樣大概也會跟他衝突你可以一年看六次那衛福部現在的政策現在的政策又可以一輩子有三次免費所以我覺得這個預算在可能有一些運用上面是不是應該要有錯開或者你才不會有重置的這樣子的預算的浪費 |
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另外他編列的方向這個部分我們同意下修讓他們可以提出比較完整的一個方案然後又可以達到他的目的跟效果另外還有一個我跟412跟冠廷委員大概就這個部分我們都各三兩百萬那我們同意大概兩個併三兩百萬主要是併三兩百 |
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主要是因為我們看到這個全面新世界他當他被統三以後他本來應該要自播15集可是變成12集然後其他的一些 |
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現委員指導 |
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我的409案是跟王定宇召委的407案其實是一樣的是針對於國軍心腹人員不足的這問題會要如何改善我希望這部分能提出更加詳細的書面說明再來還有人力心腹人員人力的招聘要如何提出誘因這部分也希望我們政戰局能夠提出說明 |
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405案同意遭列 |
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406案改組決議407案王定宇部分凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍資408案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍資409案羅美玲委員部分凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍資 |
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410案沈伯陽委員的部分我看我把100萬放在這裡凍結100萬雖然他同意招列那你們盡量要在同一個案子遊說到一樣的結論否則委員之間會有不同的處理這個凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支 |
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411案簡列100萬科目自行調整412案簡列100萬科目自行調整413案不予處理414案改組決議415案改組決議好沒有問題嗎好我們以上這一批案子這樣處理再來416案那個軍備局來換局謝謝委員容我先說416案照列通過 |
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軍備局還是要坐下來 照列通過416案同意照列 |
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好再來請就417案那個林益君召委的提案請說明417417案為林益君委員對於規格建設中心他服了那昨天也充分的跟委員的表達我們會確保我們整個的品質都無虞於見請下修為凍結50萬並向委員會提出報告後使得動之林召委OK嗎 |
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其實這最主要是真的是因為還是為了保護國軍的安全所以讓他們能夠更安心的服兵役所以那個TAF的話因為是之前有來講有來說明但是這個還是在進行中但是到現在還是要到明年對不對大概在第三季之前我們亮場交軍之前全部整個大湖兵會把它做完所以還是要到明年因為有些機器是要從國外進口的機器現在目前正在執行之中是 |
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418案委員馬文君委員針對國防科技貢獻獎預算編列不足感謝委員的指導本案已向委員說明同意改類組決議請委員指代馬委員 |
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謝謝這個案子因為我們有編了這個預算那每年是300萬去年100萬今年是0就是沒有人0最重要的去年是中科院天工的主持人那今年從缺因為他主要是國防科技貢獻獎 |
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很重要的因素是國防科技發展其實並不那麼容易所以我們看到我們雖然想要有這樣的一個獎項然後也有這樣的獎金它利益很好可是為什麼沒有個人或團體來參與或者也沒有人獲獎這個部分可能要去檢視一下所以同意改組決議 |
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這一個418案改組決議這個獎你們要注意一件事情我們軍工業的研發有時候一顆沖壓引擎要20年你如果獎勵錯人比沒有獎還慘 |
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他有初期的、中段的有小組的總工程師有大組的什麼的當你發的獎項獎勵錯人或者受獎人名實不符你比不給獎還慘你會打擊士氣所以這個獎目前沒有人領表示你們表示你們沒有犯錯但我一定要提醒設置獎項是為了鼓勵士氣 |
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但是軍工業很複雜你一個系統完成他牽涉到很多人每個人都覺得自己很有貢獻哪怕你用外部委員覺得陳永康貢獻比較大另外旁邊兩個也覺得我也很有貢獻所以這個給獎真的要小心因為部隊是一個士氣的單位如果續講 |
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419案為馬文金委員針對房屋 |
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建築養護會應加強編列明細說明感謝馬委員的指導本案也向委員說明建請同意預算照例另外420到425案為林郁君委員、王定宇委員、黃仁委員、馬文君委員及徐曉金委員共同關切的民航民雄航太無人機產業園區開發建設計劃招商營運及經費分攤等情感謝各位委員的指導針對委員關鍵事項已經向委員口頭說明或書面說明 |
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現請第420至425案並案我們來凍結整個預算的10%讓中科院可以執行這屬於國家的重大建設部分並由中科院完成了上個會期已經有指導的完成了專案報告後經委員會同意後使得凍支恭請委員指導來先請林益君委員接下來再來黃元委員來請 |
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針對420這個案子其實我一直覺得很奇怪因為他現在114年到117年編了68億5900預算然後捐助給行政法人中科會中科院但是這個就我了解這個產業園區的土地是這種土地管理產權管理是政府的但是招商卻是經濟部和那個嘉義縣政府來負責然後所有的收入居然都沒有入國庫全部 |
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給中科院來管理然後如果政府用公務預算出錢來給中科院然後結果中科院又自己成立所謂的專案基金自行管理那這樣是不是感覺很像透過中科院來施設基金來規避國會的監督呢所以而且現在卻沒有相關的草案和預算來管理監督的方法 |
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所以我覺得這一個案子為了避免公務預算捐助的預算遭到濫用導致我們立委都沒有辦法順利的監督所以我還是堅持希望這個可以凍結這個預算50%這個數我們討論一下啦但中科院不會不能監督你看他院長都坐在這裡所以他是公法人我們先請黃榮委員待會再一併說明來好 |
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針對這個422民雄無人機的產業區的一個管理問題外還有未來產房的歸屬以及由金方編列預算供民間產房發展使用是否合理的問題此外據經備局說明民雄無人機的產業區 |
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從二無戰爭的經驗等無人機的戰時消耗數量龐大所以這個問題來我們根本無法有任何防衛的可能性所以這個是有些檢討的地方所以我們冰凍10%以上 |
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陳冠廷委員 |
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委員會主席 |
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第二部分,黃委員跟你分享,現在正是因為烏俄戰爭的關係,我們知道它消耗的量是很大的 |
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所以有航太員去做一個生產的重鎮那我們才有辦法去生產足夠的這一個無人機來去做全國的防務所以我們認為說由中科院特別是他們有分西邊跟東邊一部分是由民用的一部分是以中科院主導的還有風洞還有算力中心也就是說這個地方一建起來的話 |
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那我們很多的這個科研人員可以進駐之外生產人員也可以進駐那商業也可以因此而發展那這個外盛效應其實不是只有民雄而已往北可以到雲林特別是跟雲林會比較近一些就是雲家地區這是非常重要的那雲家地區就也不是只有我們民主進步黨而已嘛就是我們剛講雲家國民黨跟民進黨都有所以他們的就業很多人現在已經在雲林他們未來是可以來到我們嘉峪去做這樣子的就業機會這是第二部分 |
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中科院是最好監督的就是國家的重要單位所以三不五時我們就可以叫過來監督我想院長也是會很配合的來配合監督 |
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所以還是在懇請各位同仁如果可以給我們民雄航太園區一個機會的話能夠來支持我待會請那個業管單位說明但是其實我說明一下像我們的科學園區的開闢有時候會用科技部或者國科會的錢 |
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經濟部一部分然後地方政府再出一部分然後它開闢之後像有的工業區交給地方政府工業局去管有的是交給我們那個國科會去管叫科學園區有的交給經濟部去管所以這個是常態就是說我們要開闢一個產業園區不管它是在南投是在台北在那裡產業園區開闢其實是政府群策群力有時候土地呢有鐵道局的地有地方政府的地有鄉公所的地那大家都拿出來 |
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然後預算大家組合之後由公法人來開闢開闢之後會選擇一個管理機關所以像我們台南南科管理機關就是南科管理局直屬國科會但是另外一個同樣模式開闢的沙倫智慧科學城它的管理機關現在是定在台南市政府的經發局它模式差不多所以這個可能讓林玉君召委瞭解一下那我們請要中科院還是軍備局 |
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針對這個部分因為其實 |
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首先我們全國的一些科學園區不管什麼樣的園區其實通常有些政府部門大概會投入大量的資金可是一定也結合廠商還有所有民間的這些相關的資源我們看到的現在這一個民雄的這個無人機園區它希望還是航太啦就是說它在這個無人機的產業發展我們 |
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全力支持無人機在我們國家作為重要產業發展可是你的做法要是對的首先因為我們剛剛講所有科學園區是他讓我們的科技發展這個大家都是有目共睹那無人機要發展沒有理由說 |
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土地也是國家出的因為包括第一個階段它分東西像嘛那有一部分是中科院其實原來就已經取得那另外還有就是從那個國科國發國發會的建設基金其實有撥錢 |
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我們原來中科院在取得這塊土地的時候很重要的因素是為了要讓我們的飛彈需要有比較大型的風洞的一個需求要建置在那裡如果為了這樣子的園區開發而犧牲掉我們最重要的一個核心的價值這是不對的這是第一點第二個你如果說要開發因為 |
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中科院雖然是個公法人可是其實它本身最重要存在的目的是為了國家的國防的發展還有包括你的科研因為你所有的來源也大部分是國家提供的這樣的相對資金而且你主要的任務是飛彈像我們最強的飛彈啊武器這一類的所以你如果 |
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國防部主管 |
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然後再去找一個民間的廠商反正你就委外我不知道你要委給誰因為現在也說不清楚那就這樣的看法因為中科院本來就不是做這個的做這個最強的應該是經濟部如果我們要開發這樣的園區經濟部過去在所有的科技園區都做得那麼成功就應該要交給他你可以把土地也交給他讓他去做這樣子的一個整體開發我覺得他的成功力也會更強那 |
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委員會主席 |
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中央政策委員會議 |
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主席 |
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支持這個產業發展的同時也希望他用對的方向還有找對的政府部門來共同去推動還有讓他去可能有更大的成功的機會這是我們這次提案的一個主要的一個目的 |
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謝謝馬委員待會我在預算處理的時候會把這些點放進去來曲曉欣委員那我在424案跟425案那我想我是並案處理因為也有其他的委員這個廖先祥委員也關心這件事情 |
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那呢是這樣子的就是說我們這個案子的自償率只有38.35%而且呢後續營業的收益是會列在中科院這邊那呢在112年的這個騰餘數那奢餘數他是有64億5645萬8千元那113年及114年的這個奢餘那都是有34億 |
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中科院並同分擔園區經費的建議 |
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如果說我們同樣是一個中央單位連主計總署都已經發言了那我覺得應該要參考財政部跟主計總署的說法而不是我們一意孤行那這就是我提出的原因那在這裡的話我個人的提案的部分的建議簡列數是600萬然後凍結數是25萬 |
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我們是待會一併處理各位都表達完畢我們請中科院說明 |
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針對說各位委員的那個疑問齁我總會議這邊逐項的做說明第一個就是我們這幾個月做了很多的廠商意願調查不只只有無人機業我們發現廠商的反應非常的熱烈都很迫切期待這個園區的設置期待一個產業聚落的生成這包含無人機業包含通訊業包含光電、籌載業還有發動機還有電池的廠商都願意進駐 |
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產業聚落沒有形成的話我們國家的中小企業從以前的加工出口區到科學園區他是沒有辦法形成一個有競爭力的產業這個是做第一點報告第二個為什麼會落在中科院身上其實當時有經過在行政院我們有經過一番討論但是事實上請各位委員我們回頭仔細想一下目前在國內製造無人機 |
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從R&D然後到OEM整個產線的鋪排只有中科院有這樣的實際的能力實際的績效第三個我們剛剛講到經費的問題 |
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並不是整個全部園區的經費當時在行政院有爭議過所以把它分成東西側雖然整個54公頃多的土地都是屬於中科院的但是在東側的部分由中科院使用的部分是由中科院自行去投資的那我們投資的部分也不是只有給中科院使用還有包含要給園區廠商使用的風洞 |
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要給原區廠商的模擬和算力中心要給原區廠商未來的測試空域尤其是我們無人機的測試空域是現在國內無人機業界最渴望也最迫切的我們要發展一個無人機產業結果你沒有它專用的測試空域其實那個政策就是比較空洞的所以我們會優先在建置的同時去把無人機的測試空域和場域去把它建置好 |
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另外就是講到就是蓋廠房的問題其實我們剛好舉個例子委員不好意思就像環球晶他去美國幹廠房也是拿到美國政府的補助事實上現在走的就國際上比較流行的已經不是對對現在我們也我們蓋的廠房也只是基本廠房 |
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廠商進駐以後他必須依照每個廠商的需求要再去投資我們只是蓋基本我們只是蓋基本廠房而已然後警報聲就告訴你差不多了我有問題想要問我想詢問的問題我們把它詢問我待會同意處理 |
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因為我的問題跟剛剛大家講的比較不一樣就是自償率的問題那還有這個中科院因為近年的收支營運都是有剩餘的嘛那所以我剛剛的問題是說其實你113跟114年度的本期剩餘是34億然後跟55億那就是財政部跟主計總書他就覺得說你們這個後續的營運會變成中科院的收入 |
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是不是說這裡應該要有跟國防部這邊其他的單位來去分攤這個興建的經費我是對這件事情比較有意見那其他你要廠房怎麼蓋我是沒有可不可以回答一下這個部分我們讓林郁君委員跟馬文君委員發言完然後再一併再完整回答來林郁君委員 |
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其實我比較大的質疑是說這是由誰主管而且還有說未來的預算該如何被監督而且現在沒有任何的草案然後也沒有那些預算管理的監督的辦法我最主要的話是質疑這一點那個待會一併回答來馬文君委員然後再來是王逸川委員就這個部分我就說其實我們支持他這個無人機產業發展剛剛院長提到 |
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中和醫院,像如果說因為你在這樣的能量是最強所以這個園區就由中和醫院來主導這樣應該是有點本末倒置當時中和醫院為什麼可以做這麼多是因為政府給的資源 |
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（中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分（ |
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包括是整體的開發他整體的發展其實他讓專業的去做應該是最好的啦你廠房剛剛你說環球金是因為如果美國政府他重視包括你台積電去他也會補助他是個別的廠商我們現在說的是你幫所有的廠商蓋廠房這是不對的方向 |
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你如果要做你廠商自己來投資啊我們所有的科學園區他還是廠商自己符合自己的需求你要做電池的你要做引擎的你要做其他機翼的你要做他載台或其他的他會是一樣的嗎所以怎麼會是我們幫他量身定做未來這些公司或者這些廠商就必須要聽命於這個我們委託的這個對象 |
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這樣對我們未來的產業發展可能才是會造成比較大的影響這個本來我是提議全三的那冠廷委員其實有特別提到我們也認同這個產業我們希望可以支持發展可是就這個部分應該要怎麼樣找到一個比較適宜的方向去推動 |
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中科院如果有花那麼多的精神去個別的廠商不管你是哪一類型的無人機廠商還包括電池業還包括其他的你有這麼多的精神去跟廠商去談去洽談你就會喪失掉你很多應該專精在你原來應該要開發的這些 |
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所以這個部分我只是對這個部分 |
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這一個案子對嘉義縣 |
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這個影響很大那無人機現在除了在太保的有一個研發的地方可是那個大概就是一個修論廠商集合在那裡幾個辦公室那嘉義縣這幾年因為這個無人機它的整個產業就從這個農業縣變成農工大縣想要做一個轉型所以民雄當地的居民包括嘉義縣政府都非常歡迎這個園區的進駐 |
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那既然這個中科院要來承擔這件事情 |
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臺灣現在在做這個無人機不管是就是說所有的技術就是中科院最會做你現在再去叫經濟部則經濟部就再找中科院說你到底是要做什麼因為中科院對這個無人機有他們的期待就有他們對相關這個廠房設備的這一個規劃所以由中科院來做這個合理就是告訴我們這個廠房可能中科院說不清楚你蓋的是標準廠房你蓋的你廠商的設備怎麼自己買的 |
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中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分（不含國家安全局部分．三天一次會議 |
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但是產業園區開發的經驗要去清告科學園區尤其是經驗部分就是說收入、自償率這可能應該不在行這部分大家來請經濟部、產業科學園區幫你協助一下以上請來請中科院長摘要說明 |
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第1個針對原區未來收入部分我直接引用今年8月23號行政院合附的文令上針對未來原區收入的部分行政院有很嚴格的規定我原文照念未來原區完工營運後資維護費用以及擴建或產能擴增等成本支出均應以原區收益之應為原則並另設管理報表記錄原區收支 |
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國家中山科學研究院本院收支有所區隔所以未來的整個營運管理的錢跟中科院的營運收入是完全區隔的他會有一個獨立報表然後給誰看行政院才主計單位要看所以他有一個監督鏈是第二個部分就是我這邊要再表達一下就是 |
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中科院未來在民雄園區扮演的角色我們不是在那邊生產我們不會做任何生產的角色我們是研究、發展尤其是協助、技術服務我們要定我們國家無人機的規格現在全世界無人機並沒有標準規格我們也跟某些學術單位在合作我們要定我們自己無人機的規格我們先把規格定出來以後 |
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這是我們的期待,謝謝 |
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馬文君委員、徐曉新委員、陳冠廷委員分別發言 |
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首先我要說的是中科院歷年以來可能至少超過20年我們國家提供很多的科研經費在無人機上面包括我們現在騰雲他到現在我第一次去看騰雲的時候他們就跟我說這個很快可以掛彈 |
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可是又研發了第二代那時候又研發了第二代那現在騰雲還是沒有被用上這是第一個還有我們的瑞淵還有我們的紅雀還有我們的尖兵還有我們很多很多的關鍵技術其實我們提供至少上百億的預算已經都給中科院了中科院說現在自己是最強大你可以去指導廠商說你應該怎麼做可是事實上我們自己都還沒有做出來而且你還花了很多錢 |
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這是第一點第二個你中科院如果只是你今天你現在就可以就你的研究或者就你的發展或者技術指導現在沒有這個園區你也在做所以他不是園區的問題無人機的規範如果台灣做出來的規範可以訂定成國際性的標準 |
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中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分． |
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每一個他應該有的對各司其職你今天自己筆經費到底要有誰出而且講說那個什麼標準廠房廠房本來就應該是自己不然哪一個人可以去獲得這個廠房你這樣不是又有 |
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有圖利的一個方向嗎你今天如果我我什麼都沒有做過可是我很有心想要在無人機的產業上發展我來這裡取得一塊土地以後我在這裡自己蓋廠房我自己未來成功是我們願意努力投入如果沒有成功那也是這個廠商的問題怎麼會是你蓋了廠房蓋了廠房就是以後的廠商進駐是由你們選擇 |
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這一個方向其實我覺得這是最大的問題也是我們不管是在凍結最重要的理由我原來是全山的我認為不應該都是由政府出所以剛才還有在說雖然這對自己來說非常重要在民眾可以發展也可以讓更多人有受害的機會這是我們贊成的但今天我們也有來自台北有南島還有其他故鄉台南大家都有 |
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今天是選擇在嘉義我們認同（不過不是嘉義為他的發展（可以超過我們國家的發展（尤其我們所為主管（也應該是為國家的利益來輸扣（所以這是我們今天編這個議程（這是國家級的橫褲來請我們是不是到陳冠廷委員完了（我們來處理預算書了好不好（來陳冠廷委員 |
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謝謝同仁的指教我還是在強調就是說因為剛好嘉義的發展跟國家的發展是同時並進因為我們所有的測試園區還有甚至研發園區到這邊未來是因為有西側西側的話可能是由嘉義縣政府來負責招商所以它是有商業的目的跟居民共通的目的 |
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中科院在行以軍用為導向（西側的部分（未來我們東側的這些可以共享（共享的意思是說（可以來自南投、來自台北（來自世界各地的進駐我們西側之後（都可以用我們東側的東西來繁榮整個雲嘉南（ |
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7330.308 |
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．19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7355.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
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7371.254 |
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陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
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7402.095 |
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委員會主席 |
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7422.297 |
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7449.031 |
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歸屬預算還有它的屬性以及中科院的任務有所異議這樣詮釋應該沒有錯誤詮釋了包括林益君早委其實他很關切的是公預算就是要被監督到所以第一個我們凍結數10%我們凍結數10%不好意思不然我本來是要詮釋因為我們希望你在第一階段你把它通盤考良好嘛你後面這麼大 |
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7451.546 |
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李俊元你有什麼意見? |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
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7494.546 |
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中科院如果有虧損還是政府的捐助而且它長期以來都是研發的單位為什麼它會變成要負責產業園區呢?這個是不是要經濟部去處理呢?所以如果說真的沒有辦法形成共識不然我們就建議保留協商 |
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7518.197 |
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就待會的凍結數額提出的書面報告我們必須要看到的是第一個你們的管理經營的方案 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7541.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
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基於你們的職責（你們的任務編組中科院是我們台灣少數全球百大軍工業之一他不只是研發他還有製造他還有下訂單的能力其實中科院為什麼你去開發那些無人機業者會跟著他去因為中科院可以技術移轉中科院可以下訂單大家這裡要對你去 |
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所以我的意思是說中科院的書面報告向本會要提出第一個事情是經營模式管理模式你們開放思考如果由經濟部來處理比較好或者由國科會處理比較好你們也具體提出本委員會可以當你們的後盾要求行政院來做思考處理但是我們不去阻擋他開發的進程就是發展要走 |
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但是這一個委員關切的問題我們把它列入到你們的報告裡面第二個你們在開發的模式請也列出來其實剛才提到有一件事情每個廠商需要的廠房我光講天車關都就沒工了 |
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中央政策部長 |
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7655.219 |
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同樣開放思考請你們把開放模式寫在裡面有時候還可以降低成本你取得資格進來但是我們要避免怎樣呢有錢有勢的大財團可以進來沒有錢的他沒有辦法開發這個你們也要寫在裡面就是我怎麼扶持有希望的獨角獸也要把它放在裡面 |
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第3個預算營收收支的處理模式請你把監督機制明確把它列在書我不是要一個形容詞一堆的書面報告而是一個你們提出各種possibilities各種可行性方案的方案在裡面然後這些書面報告經我們同意完成後我們才來動之我們凍結的預算數那我真的希望這個陳冠廷委員也剛才也也一直因為坦白講 |
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雲家（這個其實這裡不會只有民雄（民雄比較靠近北邊（雲家的發展甚至於周邊的章頭的發展（是我們國家長期來比較欠缺的一塊（我們都希望幫助這個區域（所以我剛才做的這一個內容是（不影響開發進程（但是卻又符合各位委員垂尋的內容（那10%是不是可以大家接受的數額（ |
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7726.88 |
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因為剛才黃委員說至少10%我才用10%來談那如果說各位認為還要再高一點我們提一個合理的可以執行的百分比我是10%我覺得太少了這樣好不好我們列五分之一20%很高了因為年度預算有個執行的它的期程 |
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7734.484 |
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主席我們在第一階段為什麼會把這個凍結數希望你不可以太低因為剛剛我們講的這些他如果沒有辦法先通盤檢討然後你就進行那後續其實沒有辦法檢討我們希望他是一併的處理因為這個是規劃費 |
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他後面真正大筆的錢明年我們還要審的啦不是我說的不是大筆的錢是你現在規劃你是由誰負責現在最重要你就是在訂那個標準了嘛就是說我們現在要求這個報告他在明年要給我們看到啦 |
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我所謂的後面還有大筆預算就是本委員會的監督力量都還在不會不見我的20%其實在預算上是一個像比較高的額度的凍結了我們也不希望影響他沒辦法動我想剛才那幾個模式的要求說明而且要開放思考我覺得如果經濟部可以接受我也不反對你們接受比較好你要寫出一個因為所以好不好20%好不好各位委員 |
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我這邊再報告一下我建議我就做專案報告這樣更負責專報後啦專報後然後驚同一時的動之啦好因為剛才那個趙偉講的很對啦就是剛才那些東西都是我們質疑的沒錯但其實我們真的是沒有反對你知道嗎因為對那個崇利明委員講的很好我們沒有反對但是這裡面整個的草案和整個的規劃根本就是一大堆問題所以我們今天才在這邊質疑啊但是我們真的沒有反對說不做你知道嗎只是問題蠻多的 |
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所以剛才提的問題我就說把這四大模式說明清楚我覺得可以然後20%我接受我們惡動節20%專案報告這已經不是說專案報告金童又使得動之那專案報告內容我該特別請那個院長這邊還有部長這邊開放式的思考不要說一定要什麼模式比較好以這個園區可以成功為準好不好 |
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419案有同意照列420案到425案並按凍結20%的規劃費預算 |
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專案報告經同意後（使得動之專案報告內容如本席剛才才是好 我們以上處理 那我們現在請那顧立雄部長准假離席改換徐延樸副部長 |
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7893.198 |
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選普副部長本身也是軍備副部長這方面他專精 |
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426委馬文君委員針對施政費支應方式有所指導感謝委員的指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意預算招勵 |
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7938.494 |
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同意照列426案同意照列427案請說明427案委員洗澡新委員針對國軍聘僱人員請休假的規定的第4條違反勞動基準之餘感謝委員的指導針對委員關切事項國防部已經在11月28日完成了國軍聘僱人員請休假規定的休班事宜建請同意預算照列 |
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7956.538 |
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我這邊照列可以的那當然我要講一下就是說先前這個國軍聘僱人員的休假規定那過去行之有年等於說我們是國防部已經違反勞基法很多年了那所以呢我們雖然照列但是再提醒一下注意勞動權益那這個部分那到時候主決議會列在那個主計局 |
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我這邊照列因為它其實整體的國防部的這個約聘估是在主計局所以我在主計局那邊我是有一個案子的所以我那裡主決議所以這邊我就照列通過就可以了 |
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7998.44 |
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427照案通過428案請說明428案委員針對抗彈板的一個檢驗標準昨日都已經說明過了我們會依照委員的指導同意修訂為主決議428案薛委員有沒有要表達一下沒有的話他們就改主決議 |
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428案凍結100萬訴願報告後使得凍結請軍備局把抗彈板這些所有什麼抗彈頭盔 |
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8023.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
429案為馬文君委員針對國防先進科技研究計劃應就提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8043.511 |
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8070.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
緊密軍品戰力跟基礎性的研究的規劃要澄清說明感謝委員的指導本案已向委員說明建請同意下修凍結五千萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得動之來那個馬委員請好謝謝主席這個部分我們每年都是編了將近十億的預算我們大概也沒有說經常去要求看到它的成果是不是有舉幾個例子 |
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因為中科院跟軍備局都有嘛那大概都還是找其他的一些民間的學校一些大學專家（你這是DIU那個東西是不是這個是學院中心的有沒有什麼模式不涉及機密的可以分享一下 |
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8109.89 |
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跟委員報告我們一套先進的計畫我們各軍種我們就完成了一些的111到112案112年就完成了88案應用銜接在5G系統的開發、研製能量並且它的使用率是92其餘的都是屬於基礎的分析部分 |
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8110.53 |
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8133.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
另外我們114年的重點是在無人載具、光電的徵收、復合材料（水下的無人艇的水下增資（還有艦艇的製造跟治安防護等範疇（我們都會跟國科會（現在國科會都跟我們密切的在聯繫（委會結合學院中心（針對這些要運用到我們的國防的（各種的開發的基礎的部分（以上說明報告來,馬會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8134.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8136.516 |
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這個部分因為我們剛剛聽到的是數據我們要的就不是數據因為你花了10億每年10億我要比較具體的案例你列在書面報告因為你這個題目都會寫得很專業因為就像 |
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8152.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8160.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
他們在講那個偶爾贈他可以用那個什麼什麼什麼牡蠣做紅醬什麼的你可以講的很好聽可是到最後那是什麼東西具體的讓大家知道他的成效那另外因為像我們這個部分無人機我們現在可能又要投入一些相關的經費從我們為什麼會改成商規大家心知肚明我們很希望他可以再精進 |
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8182.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
429案凍結五千萬書面報告經同意後使得凍資書面報告內容請探蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8208.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8229.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
不涉及機密的具體案例工作證第430案請說明第430案委員馬文君委員針對公立電子射頻產業應用發展計畫研究發展執行進度等提出說明感謝委員的指導本案也向委員說明同意凍結一千萬辦理 |
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8233.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8233.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
430案 凍結1000萬 統一凍結1000萬 書面報告金童佑史的公知現在人家都已經在研發6G了 5G的通訊系統還在研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8251.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8251.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
431案請說明 |
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8293.987 |
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431案為馬文君委員針對野戰權申請動力外骨骼系統開發與前研究如何的整合部分這也是我們馬委員去年也有在指導我們的我們都已經向馬委員說明感謝委員的指導同意依委員的提案來辦理一千萬是三成喔OK嗎你們確定OK你是凍結一千萬還是凍結多少凍結一千萬你們這個 |
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中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分． |
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麻煩馬委員 |
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我再補充一下凍結的原因因為109年到110年之前因為外骨骼這已經很久了所以之前在109到110的時候那是膝關節的動力開發 |
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現在從113到116就是膝加髖就是膝關節加髖關節還有一個部分一個部分他因為有些當然這是不容易這算腳踏實地慢慢長大這個是不容易可是你也不能說都是一個小區塊小區塊那現在要怎麼樣讓他比如實務化剛剛講的除了在醫療上面對於這個照顧人對一些長照的一個 |
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其實那個搬彈我上次看你們那個八寸流 |
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其實這個外股格價我們真的是很支持啦因為這個不管是對於未來如果他有商員的復原然後還有包含是對這個老人的長照等等都很重要 |
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但我這邊分享一個事情就是說我們台北市政府在那個廣慈博愛園區那邊然後他們有做一個就是他們就反正我上次去參觀的時候對對對他們就已經做出那種很類似我開玩笑的那種類似鋼鐵人他是整個的不是單做膝關節或者是那個就是髖關節他是已經把整個下半身就全部做好他也有上半身的對所以說因為剛剛馬委員提到小區塊這個部分嘛 |
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其實用大區塊的動力式的我那時候去廣州試過它是商用開發但是我想說如果技術上面中科院這裡也有是不是可以多參考一下多元的方向下次如果我們排考察拿出來看一下不過中科院我都擔心成本你太貴市商就沒有商機你還是要跟國際巡價一樣有時候是價格問題 |
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但我們因為廣慈那邊做他就價格還好所以我覺得那個是商規的好我們來處理這批預算哈431案凍結1000萬元書面報告經同意後使得凍支來432到433請說明 |
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432及433案並案分別為馬文均委員及荒安委員針對次世代先進製造關鍵技術開發計畫應就研究發展規劃等提出說明感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意並案凍結一千萬並向委員委員會提出書面報告後時的通知來如果各位沒有意見的話我們就並案處理我們以 |
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黃仁委員的案子為主題案433案並案並案合併處理凍結一千萬元書面報告經同意後使得凍支那你們這次世代是指Next Generation是不是是下世代的意思嗎他的內容我直接講就是大型的3D列印OK好來那個馬委員要詢問 |
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對呀,因為這個從106年我們大概也是106到109是一個階段然後110到113又另外一個階段那現在剛剛院長也提到說是一個大型的一個列印的機械對,3D列印的機器我們希望最後一年其實也要有一些小批量的生產啦因為都已經進過三階段了嘛可以印那個100塊錢的無人機嘛對不對 |
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我可以在書面報告裡面寫我講實在的話高交機去年遇到的一些就是這個零件供應鏈的斷鏈你那個書面報告寫清楚一點那如果涉及機密讓負責的召委知道接下來是434案434黃任委員沒有寫怎麼處理好434案請說明434案為黃任委員針對 |
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光中銀區土地長年沒有完成整治的應該提出說明感謝委員的指導本案已向委員說明建請同意下修凍結兩百萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍結公請委員指代換委員這一次是提醒國防部配合地方政府發展雖然是好意但未來類似的案件裡面也應該先確立權力還有義務的範圍好不好 |
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我們軍備局最後一案同意凍結200萬元書面報告後使得凍支來換主計 主計局 |
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主席局針對第435案做說明435案為林祖英委員關心有關軍人除夕業務法制化的進度已經向委員辦公室說明並提供資料同意依委員的提案來辦理凍結主計作業費與業務費100萬元後續本部會提供相關書面資料詳細說明有關法制化的進度跟辦理情形請委員指導來提案委員OK嗎 |
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我希望你們能夠法制化而且最好是能夠除了存款之外也有放款因為過程中我不只一次質詢到有關中共利用我們軍人虛錢恐擊或者是在借貸無處的時候讓他們洩漏軍機那麼如果說真的我們有機會能夠也 |
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（處理．12月16日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19 |
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謝偉,我們有關急難貸款部分我們現在正在積極努力中在後續的書面報告我們會一併做說明這個處理的方式當然我們書面報告請你詳實寫凍結100萬書面報告後時的凍支不過我要提醒國軍我剛才還特別跟將軍確認 |
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其實第一個我們現在基層官兵常常因為財務困難做錯事有時候你覺得怎麼做這種對不起國家的事但有時候又發現他被逼到走投無路都是因為財務然後財務以我們國軍的現在的薪資坦白講正常過日子不會有財務困境我們從以前我在六聯隊那將軍以前在帶海軍都一樣或者我們黃人委員也是空技出身的都是跟賭博有關係的 |
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很多都跟賭博有關係所以我們現在不管共諜案、洩密案或者貪賭案其實背後有一大塊都是因為財務因素導致我們軍紀武德淪喪那在這個方面 |
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我們一直在處理我借錢給你啊、貸款啊、那個互助會啊什麼的你只是在上面處理他的財務缺口那個賭博這一塊其實不管是憲兵或是政戰單位其實這一塊要強化我們上次在那個歸人跟一連隊那邊我們就發現憲兵跟那個士官被那個保全帶著去玩那個數位的那個賭博後來他還成為下線再去拉人來 |
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那條線如果被共諜網進來的話整個就變轉型了最近空軍也是這個事情所以這個案子那個林楚雲雖然凍結一百萬看起來不多我倒覺得那個我們國防部這邊針對這個凍財務的困境其實警察之前也有處理過一塊欠卡債的這個都是一些症狀那背後那個賭博的因素 |
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該重懲（或者是說該修法去處理那些（又使我們國軍弟兄姊妹去涉毒的（我覺得要處理好不好好我們435案處理完畢再來436案請說明不用說明照列通過好不好好同意照列 |
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他做了兩天整天的我也做了兩天的不要為難他了來同意照列437案437案我直接講好不好就是剛剛的那個啊就是對該組決議就是他跟剛才我們講的那個是427案對427案是一樣所以我剛剛已經說明過了就不需要再說明這兩案併一個組決議就好了 |
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接下來軍醫局 |
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438跟439案請說明各位委員好第438、439案分別為林益君委員及陳永康委員提案第438案林益君委員針對國軍高山偏遠營區及艦艇醫療資源普遍不足如何補足其醫療量能之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明艦艇同意預算照列 |
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兩位委員陳永康委員和林益君委員第439案陳永康委員針對國軍外離島高山偏遠營區及艦艇醫療資源普遍不足如何提升其醫療量能提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明艦艇同意改列主決議兩位委員林益君委員 |
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謝謝主席最主要這個提案主要是針對我們東部還有外離島還有高山比較偏遠的地區因為長期的醫療缺乏然後醫療量能不足然後軍醫常常都提前的退伍然後退賠率都太高了所以我才本來是想要凍結這個預算然後希望軍醫局能夠提升軍醫上面的福利還有降低軍醫的退伍的意願還有特別要補強我們花東地區不是退伍的意願留任的意願對對 |
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438改為主決議 |
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其實這個搭配國防醫學院跟相關的條件其實讓軍醫願意到偏遠的地方服務其實對野戰醫院城各方面都有幫忙那謝謝我們438案照列439案改組決議好謝謝陳永康委員來440案到442案請說明 |
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440-442案分別為馬文君委員及王定宇委員提案440案馬文君委員針對政戰綜合作業之案日案件計資酬金提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列 |
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馬委員OK嗎那個預算照列政戰中委會這50萬的對對對 照列謝謝委員那我本來要動 既然馬委員同意照列那我知道面為其難 同意照列你的在 報竹 朝委您在事事議案 |
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我41喔,你剛才講的不是全部啊那我41你們的溝通是怎樣41案完立委員針對持續強化基層幹部及各級新府人員專業能力之培訓工作提案感謝委員指導本案委員的建議是凍結100萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍資44案是馬文君委員針對政戰綜合作業之委辦費提案 |
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本案已向委員說明建請同意免疫檢列改為凍結預算二分之一並向委員會提出書面報告後此得凍結二分之一委辦費凍結二分之一我本來是全三的那馬委員OK啦我先說原因啦 |
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因為軍醫局他編這一筆預算雖然這一個業務是重要的可是就我們剛剛在政戰局其實也有提到 |
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衛福部今天編了至少3億多吧我記得他的經費非常高他可以讓15歲到45歲的年輕人都已經有這樣的機會去看醫生那軍醫局我們本來認為不適合放這筆預算的一個重要的原因是軍醫體系它本身就有很多醫院那你裡面的醫院就有 |
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委員會委員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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在我們軍中的新府官以外還有其他更好的補強的方式可是絕對不會是在軍醫局因為他這裡應該本來就有自己的能量然後你把它介紹出去給別人這樣很怪所以我同意凍結二分之一看是不是有也讓他可以做可是至少應該要有一個方向明年要怎麼樣做一些修正 |
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預算數如果沒有問題的話我們來處理啦那個我先補宣告剛才438案林玉君召委的案改組決議那個預算都照列好440案同意照列441案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍資442案 |
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（凍結580萬（這樣加起來就是一半了（580萬書面報告經同意後（使得凍支接下來處理443案到447案請說明443案到447案分為馬文君委員及陳永康委員提案 |
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第443案馬文君委員針對軍事醫療作業費之雜項設備費新增預算之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列來兩位委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話這是第443你全部說完全部第444案是馬文君委員針對軍事醫療作業之按日案件計資酬金預算調整案 |
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感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明依委員提案檢列一千萬、凍結一百萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍支第四四五案馬文君委員針對軍事醫療作業之物品預算調整案提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建議同意下修檢列一千萬、凍結一百萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍支 |
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第446案陳永康委員針對暫時大量傷患救治國防部在平時整備時預算編列情形提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明現請同意改列主決議第447案馬文君委員針對軍事醫療作業費之一般事務費調整預算案 |
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9317.864 |
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感謝委員指導以上委員說明建請同意下修為凍結150萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍支剛才是你們溝通後的數額跟處理方式各位委員這個沒有問題嗎 |
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沒有問題有沒有要表達意見來先請政刊委員對我446啊同意主決議但我加一句就是說我們針對的不只是暫時大量傷患的救治這個在國防部考慮還包括傷患後送因為你不是在現場因為你還有傷患後送是所以後送的連帶帶到的就是救護車啦其他的隨行人員這個部分請一起納入考量是謝謝委員好謝謝政刊委員馬委員 |
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針對444案因為這個部分又有新增預算可是我們看到這是按日計酬的一個費用那光是在113年大概編了1900多萬那他受訓的人數或者他拿到證照因為我們做這些像初級救護還有中級救護的當然我們希望大家都有這樣的能量可是 |
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9384.069 |
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是不是一定要做到說大家都拿到證照我覺得讓大家都有這樣的一個基本技能可能還是比較好的那今年後來又要再增加增加經費我們希望你一年想要訓多少人就把它比較明確下來那我們就把它做好 |
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9400.242 |
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。（處理（ |
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9421.511 |
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今年83場次老師的費用就達到1400多萬你都可以請專職的一些老師來好好的上課了所以到底為什麼要把它變成用按日計酬的我覺得這個可能要去檢討一下所以三一千東一百 |
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我來做預算的處理443案同意照列444案簡列1000、凍結100萬那簡列科目自行調整凍結的部分書面報告後使得凍支那待會凡是要書面報告的或涵蓋主決議的請就委員書面跟口頭詢問的部分要逐條回答 |
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9470.692 |
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第445案簡列一千萬科目字型調整凍結一百萬書面報告後時的凍結 |
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9481.816 |
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9491.087 |
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對在原科目因為我們希望他去檢討說是不是需要這麼大的量你說那個急救包的量的OK好那這個445案這個檢列1000萬就綁定在急救包這個項目上就不要再進行調整那 |
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9517.58 |
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動輒一百萬書面報告後使得動支446案陳永康委員提案改組決議（組決議處理內容請涵蓋剛才委員垂詢部分447案動輒一百五十萬書面報告後使得動支接下來處理448案到449案請說明 |
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9522.27 |
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第48-449案分別為馬文君委員及徐曉新委員提案第448案為馬文君委員針對教育行政之對特種基金之補助提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建警同意下修為凍結300萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍資 |
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9571.383 |
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第449案為徐巧欣委員針對就讀國防醫學院軍費生注數費由公費支應現今教育部已對同齡學生進行全面補助為讀漏國防醫學院300多位自費生提案感謝委員指導本案原意委員建議大學部自費生注數費以114學年度起由軍教基金給予補助本案建議建請同意改為主決議 |
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9589.749 |
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我先說明一下好不好非常感謝這個軍醫局有跟上我們的公私立大學因為他們的學生都有補助那我來說明一下國防醫學院的大學生從大一到大六自費學生306人公費學生1139人總共1445人那以自費生306人乘以4950元每一個學期其實只有151萬而已並不是說很多的數額 |
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9615.364 |
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那呢基本上這個部分因為剛才有說從114年開始做補助嘛那我在這裡想要詢問說那因為113年下學期是不是因為這個經費並不是很多那我們就從下學期就可以開始提供我們的這些學生 |
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下學期的部分因為剛好他們學生是上下學期不是說年度嘛那如果可以說現在113年度他現在才上學期而已然後接下來會到下學期 |
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明年的下學期就114的後半年開始 |
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9667.515 |
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114的後半因為學年跟我們快捷年度不一樣學年度是7、8、9開始那你們所以會開始的時間點是你們學年度是8月1號開始吧8月1號開始不是7、8、9是8月1號開始8月1號所以就是114年的8月明年的8月開始那個名詞用學年度有時候我們很容易誤解比如他講118學年度那個是指8月1號到119年的7月31號 |
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9674.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
馬委員 |
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448的部分主要是因為國防醫學院的錢現在已經是基金的方式了他本來就可以捐補助也可以跟廠商合作所以包括校友也可以捐款或者跟民間的一些廠商或者一些企業來合作所以我們希望把捐補助的金額上限可以把它訂出來 |
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9716.946 |
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9717.086 |
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國防部主管 |
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9739.172 |
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448和449448案凍結300萬書面報告後時的凍支449案改組決議預算同意照列450案請說明 |
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9764.08 |
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9780.174 |
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第450案為馬文君委員針對辦理三種丁州縣區介受大樓耐震能力補強工程之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意下修為凍結五百萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍資 |
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9783.855 |
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9785.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
這個案子馬委員有沒有意見? |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
9801.067 |
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9805.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
451案為馬文君委員針對水電供應向下水電費以113年相較之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列 |
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9827.54 |
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9843.646 |
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馬文君委員 同意照列451案同意照列452案請說明452案為馬文君委員針對新型人體離心機結案年之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意預算照列 |
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9844.636 |
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9846.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
453-455案分別為沈博洋委員、黃仁委員及馬文君委員提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9860.695 |
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9889.258 |
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第453案沈維揚委員針對預應暫時作戰區二級為其能量不足等規劃後送機制是否包含民間單位及協作機制為何之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列第454案黃仁委員針對醫療設備之國軍前進外科小組裝備整備採購案之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意改列主決議 |
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9890.439 |
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9906.626 |
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第455案馬文君委員針對國軍前軍外科小組裝備整備規劃採購案之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意凍結十分之一兩千萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍資 |
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9914.244 |
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9914.444 |
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主席 |
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9970.023 |
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然後我們也會檢視它但我們這科目自行調整還是要放上去因為我們變成綁了一個很大的那它那個細項我們是分支計劃啦所以我們現在這個決議會變成這個分支計劃通通沒辦法自行調整對我們加一個附註加一個附註啦好不好我我我對對這個議事人員提醒-1000萬嘛對對對好不好我們剛才那個是第400集案 |
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9972.253 |
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445案我們還是科目可以進行調整但是在這預算上加注這個檢列一千萬元是針對急救包這樣子那是455啦445445吧對445445好那這樣我們取得委員同意啦好剛才 |
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10010.233 |
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453到455453到455的部分來那個沈博洋委員這個軍運局有來說明跟醫院的這一個相關的協作機制還有部署講得非常的詳細所以我同意照列然後黃院委員剛有表達要改組決議嘛好那有那個455案呢 |
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10016.069 |
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10分之一是多少錢2000萬那我分配一下啦好不好那個 |
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10046.309 |
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10060.736 |
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當然剛才沈博洋委員有同意照列我是不是讓沈博洋這邊也凍結一千萬然後馬委員這邊凍結一千萬然後那個書面報告經同意後 使得凍支那黃恩委員改組決議我這邊有個總量表來 |
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10066.072 |
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10074.737 |
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第456案為馬文君委員針對醫療設備之國軍醫院精準醫療救護設備整備結案年之提案感謝委員指導本院已向委員說明現請同意預算照列 |
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10094.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
10111.644 |
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馬委員同意照列好456同意照列來457請說明457案為馬文君委員針對醫療設備之第四作戰區高階執政及正子斷層掃描系統整備結案年之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意下修為簡列兩百萬 |
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10121.239 |
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10135.245 |
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第458案為沈博洋委員針對今年對於花東軍民醫療的投入成果與未來規劃及偏遠地區醫療之建制之提案感謝委員知道本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列 |
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10136.457 |
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10136.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
三位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
10150.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
10165.866 |
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我們會有花蓮總醫院有心臟內科醫生三種也會支援心臟內科醫生明年會有心導館14年那這個委員的提案你就同意照列嗎你要不要他一個報告給你 |
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10167.608 |
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10180.736 |
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他們上次有說明當然如果說有給個公文書面吧你們進駐的時程還是要給他這個部分的話我建議這樣子好不好沈博洋委員這個原文改組決議然後請軍醫局針對這個組決議你們進駐的人數、量能、時程做一個回覆文給沈博洋委員458案改組決議 |
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10192.581 |
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10214.11 |
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主席請沈博安委員擬出再來459案請說明第459案為馬文君委員針對國軍醫院軍政醫學網路設備系統提升案結案年之提案感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意下修為凍結一千萬並向委員會提出書面報告後使得動之 |
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10217.05 |
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10238.838 |
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這個部分因為是結案年了那全案的預算也高達一億兩千多萬大概是什麼樣的內容希望可以提出書面說明什麼是軍政醫學這個我都會蠻好奇的軍政醫學幾環跟軍事作戰相關的醫學包括航空醫學、海底醫學、燒傷醫學、亞醫學、藥學、護理學 |
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10243.1 |
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10243.561 |
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就是跟戰場狀況相關的 |
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選兵醫學海底通通都算很大從選兵預防保健還有防疫到戰場的戰傷軍事訓練那大概是哪一個科每一科裡面都分這個科跟這有關就叫軍政醫學所以大家的科目裡面有哪一科應該是排除法哪一科不算軍政醫學醫美科 |
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一千萬（ |
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10317.037 |
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好 這個459...等一下 因為我覺得剛才那個昭薇講的這個很有意思喔所以在這個軍事醫療作業的到時候我們的這個書面報告裡面你們可不可以寫詳細一點就是說我們的各科就我們軍事的各科裡面然後相關的醫療你們軍政醫學怎麼分的啦對對對 我們也得到一些新的知識嘛補充一下我們的知識書面報告你就把講選兵嘛 預防嘛 |
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10319.198 |
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10320.339 |
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．19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19日及19 |
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10354.248 |
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休息10分鐘到群眾署白署長白署長是我成大的學長請大家多多照顧 |
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委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
委員會主席 |
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10430.13 |
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10431.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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10459.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
10459.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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10487.653 |
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10489.534 |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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21號早上一大早就開始,然後送上到台北對啊,我們都一直兩個都要符合做待遵守對,對,我們講的一直都是這樣,所以是他把他留下台灣3.5還有3.4、3.5、3.9,還等到年二一屆的選舉好 |
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另外另外另外24號就會議對對我靠人家我講說 |
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10590.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
10592.49 |
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國防大學最後一項,麻煩委員會講一下話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
委員會委員會委員會 |
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我們當初是為了因為理工學院他有編118萬的機運數字他會產生是因為他三年前颱風他能比較小的數字他都處理掉了現在因為他堆到校園裡面 |
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因為辦活他必須要親一隻他才跟國防大學編入錢給他這代表一件事事實上國防大學下面的理工學院管理學院、政戰學院市場平常是經費可能是不足像三軍官校 |
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陸海空司令部司令部每年會幫三軍方編列一些計費然後反而這件事看起來好像是理工學員的錯事國防部跟國防部大臣根本不重視他下屬的三軍司令部會編列預算 |
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國防大學下屬的理工學院 |
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10712.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
10714.89 |
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管理學院還有政戰學院 |
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10738.466 |
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要請國防部跟國防大學要多多關心他們給他們充足的預算因為他們屬於國防科技還有政戰政戰學院要請國防部跟國防大學多多關心他們 |
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國防大學管理因為他是廣東下屬的三個學院國防部跟國大要關心他們,給他們充足的預算去更新校舍跟教學設施 |
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法定人數不足 |
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10801.517 |
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這樣他能遭到一些自願意的軍官然後到部會去服務像國防醫院他是獨立的平常就是由軍運警察去他們預算所以他們沒有問題那這三所事上很可憐 |
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因為國防大學他比較重視戰爭學院跟參謀學院所以他這些經驗根本不太理他們可是因為是可以看出來3年了3年只有180萬都付給他那不是很誇張 |
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10844.454 |
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要裝飾戰爭跟你?戰爭群跟蔡柏惟他下面三個基屬院校平常都不太理他有點誇張例子是那三年他才要118萬去那邊辦活動才給他錢 |
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委員好 |
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10890.391 |
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有關我們這個指導這個有關那個海軍的訓練經費的這些有關對外寫訊的行政資源如果說有護術資用需要繳付這件事情我會請委員來幫忙去做因為其實各單位的交付單由我們這邊用管制局來處理只是我們相關預算法跟行政各部門講過那如果這個案子改成建期案那我就沒有意見可以改成建期 |
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就是對外協訓的不須致用書要繳付這件事情可不可以改善建築因已經算不錯了因就是你應該然後也許你特殊的狀況你還可以有不同的那個 |
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見情一樣的意思啊?我們是認為說你應該要這樣啊?應該還好吧?因為其實我們也是按照一些按照規定的做啦如果說跟他講回來是不會讓我們很開心這樣對啊就陰欸 |
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因就是你可能在某些特殊的狀況所以你應該啦因就可以了啦 |
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10966.1 |
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建議陰一降倒建議陰一我直接寫嗎還是建議陰你叫我寫建請不要建議陰好 謝謝委員 |
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委員會主席 |
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11007.479 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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11009.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
11010.221 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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11043.136 |
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11063.344 |
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各位委員、我們國防部各所屬我們恢復開會我本席先把後續的議程做一個宣告第一個我們待會處理到12點半休息一個小時讓大家用餐12點半休息到1點半然後 |
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11081.688 |
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所屬12點半處理完（所屬處理完（會宣讀組決議（把所屬相關的組決議處理完（來處理部本部（部本部處理完了進行機密二輪（機密二輪處理完我們處理公開二輪（ |
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11085.709 |
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11111.069 |
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然後順利化應該屆時就結束我再宣達一次我們今天上午的會先開到12點半用餐時間一個小時1點半恢復開會那12點半處理到什麼案就什麼案我們到時候會斟酌了然後1點半恢復開會所屬處理完國防部所屬單位處理完宣讀組決議可能要一小段時間宣讀組決議完處理組決議 |
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主決議處理完我們處理部本部預算部本部預算處理完處理機密未達共識的第二輪機密未達共識第二輪處理完處理公開的部分的第二輪也請各位利用不管是宣讀主決議時間或者用餐時間那去把 |
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11134.514 |
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必須進到二輪的（把它溝通好（像目前為止（林楚雲委員的進入二輪已經改組決議那有關那個彈藥的那個紅准的部分剛才馬委員我們在開會前有跟那個部長溝通那個部分是不是 |
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中科院在紅准二（可以達到串列彈藥（或是你會達到一些（它真的比較先進的功能的時候（再讓你們去動之這筆預算（預算數是不是兩億或怎麼樣（我們來看處理（報告主席 有兩個（ |
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案件進入第二輪有一個改組決議那另外一個有達成共識所以等下最後結束的時候也可以過來把那個一個是62一個是6969改組決議62的話我們有達成一些共識還是有凍結對然後交報告你把達成共識的部分待會請業務單位做報告那也是在二輪處理了 |
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463-461案請說明 |
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各位委員好這個462案為羅美玲委員提案461案為林楚英委員提案均是共同來關切較早訓練能量的議題前以至委員辦公室來說明建起同意並案凍結50萬元並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍資你並案凍結50萬元是來羅美玲委員 |
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461案我跟處理委員所提案的內容是一樣的就是針對於這個權動署在其實最主要是針對你們109年10月改組以前你們曾經向這個外交國防委員會提交一份 |
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國軍提升後備戰力的專案報告（期間你們有向委員會說明（未來將擴充教招訓練的量能（然後精進教招的訓練的內容（其中還提到會提升教招的量能部分全動數還表示說（經提升後備戰力專案改革之後（訓練總能量將 |
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增加到29萬人可是我們發現從全動數110年1月成立到現在連續3年我們發現較早的目標數跟實際的這個這個招訊數呢其實是遠低於你們在這個專案裡面所提到的這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11300.815 |
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請林楚瑛委員 |
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11330.857 |
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我簡單的來講就是說我們全動數成立之後你們原本承諾的是29萬的人力但是從111到143其實平均每一年只有12萬人言下之意你們自己跟自己設定的目標達成率只有66%那這中間的落差當然就會影響到我們所有的後備人力或相對的我們全動數當初成立的部分那這個年度預算有1億 |
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11351.906 |
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11356.589 |
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2000多萬其實我們提的數額很小我們不是去反對這個預算而是你們在預算的執行過程當中跟預期的目標其實實在差距太多我們其實很客氣啦我那時候有跟我們助理說你1億2我們才動50但是因為我們不是要讓你無法運作而是你們到底有沒有辦法有效的去達到預期目標 |
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11401.621 |
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不然的話邊列這樣的預算來講我真的會覺得這個花到底花在什麼地方是值得做一個有效的報告的好 那個白署長回答之前我想有幾個大家關心的點一遍回答我們在這個桌上回答第一個當然我們後備的教召的目標你們是29萬嘛那剛才講答標率好像未及半原因在哪裡另外一個 |
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11423.499 |
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很多人把這個叫招當作要普及的好像所有的異難都要很公平都被抽到其實你們叫招應該有戰力的考量比方說剛退的人戰力其實比較強那退了很久的也許他就比較生疏就常常會說你們老是集中那20%的人在叫招這個問題也請你一併回答 |
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11444.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11445.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11466.355 |
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你幾歲你有那麼老嗎他已經去了兩次了然後呢為我們國軍付出然後另外一位是今年5月去花蓮的那就是說呢剛剛趙偉講到的是很有趣的一件事就是說都集中在他們幾個人身上他有一些考量我待會請他一邊說明你們有考量啦但是你們是非常集中像我辦公室同仁另外一位是每一年幾乎都去了因為他比較年輕一點所以他都一直在那個範圍他沒有專長 |
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11471.377 |
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11488.503 |
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有一個人他就是火防兵每次教召他就會都有我跟你說他沒有專長你為什麼把自己主理講成這個樣子他只是喜歡為國付出喜歡去參加教召他年齡還可以的話我建議他簽留營不要不要我辦公室要留著等一下明年應該還會去 |
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11513.919 |
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我剛才講的三個第一個是目標額為什麼沒有達標第二個我剛才講叫招的對象好像有集中在某一些人身上這個原因第三個我知道你們之前有一個好像自願去參加射擊訓練的你們今年人數好像有縮減我建議那個可以放大就是說像我可能已經除役了但我願意回來去做射擊打靶訓練那個資訊不夠 |
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11517.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
11517.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
這三個問題是不是請白署長來說明一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
11552.299 |
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我先回答這個第一個問題那後續也會在報告裡面再詳細的去說明在109年我們去估算我們後備部隊需要訓練的能力的時候如同委員剛才所說的希望每年能夠訓29萬但是因為我們後來認為說應該強化常備部隊所以在113年開始就是增級一年的 |
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11562.061 |
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11574.332 |
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這個政策是在一年以前就要去規劃所以它使得我們未來我們的有些後備部隊轉型成長備部隊自然而然叫招的需求會比較少但這個詳細的細節我們會在報告裡面去做說明第二個 |
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11578.496 |
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11599.887 |
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就是較早的一個次數或者有沒有集中的問題基本上就是兵役法施行法第27條規定我們較早的人員就是我們退伍以後大概就是4次違憲絕對不會超過4次可是實際上我們這個都是以就是退伍你剛退伍沒多久 |
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11615.293 |
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尤其退伍4年內的他還很熟悉部隊以他們為主大概4年內會有兩次就是剛才這個徐曉新委員長就是後退剛退的人戰力最強的那4年內會強化訓練對對對那未來遇到緊急狀況要徵集的單位我們20小時動員的也是這些人 |
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11637.154 |
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所以我這個詳細的報告涉及這些民意制度調整我們一定會再報告詳細說明肯定會支持我們的預算因為事實上你要增加訓練更多就是需要預算以上報告 |
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11639.643 |
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11654.363 |
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涉及的部分我們是逐年增加跟委員報告你們今年比去年少這樣報告好了就是說我第一年是只有4梯次到了第二年的話就18個縣市會費率都收18梯次這個牽涉到訓場會增加我建議白書長 |
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11657.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
11673.538 |
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如果報告我們至少我們國防委員會委員你有的要讓我們知道說我們現在有開放就是非徵集對象的就是一般人或者他已經除役了或者女性有沒有開放的時候那個訊息透過我們大家讓大家知道大家來報名嗎 |
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對阿因為有一些像你看這個然後還有辦公室還有另外一個在看直播的他們都說他們想要為國付出然後如果有這個叫招的機會他是要為國付出還是為國犧牲沒有沒有沒有現在還沒有到犧牲的階段對他們都覺得就是可以去然後叫招我也很認同所以我辦公室成員只要接到叫招令我都說都去吧對對對所以如果說他們有些人想去然後都一直沒有收到通知他們也主動要求然後也都沒有回覆的話我覺得很可惜啦 |
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題目不錯我們回來處理這個預算數但是我們請白署長就有關開放非就已經除役的人或者不再徵集對象的人可以自願來參加社級訓練甚至可以考慮採取一定的收費也可以分兩種有這個訊息的話至少讓我們國防委員會委員同仁知道我覺得像如果可以開放的話你就可以有人事打挑的部分對所以這個訊息要出來那我們其實我跟羅美玲委員我們就是因為很支持 |
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11732.612 |
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感謝委員指導 |
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11752.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
463案黃元委員提案請說明 |
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11773.205 |
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提案委員（提案委員（提案委員（ |
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11796.041 |
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11799.624 |
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463案凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍支464到473案的併案處理請說明464案至473案總共有10案都是動員整備預算 |
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其中包括有馬文君委員一案後的順序還有黃能委員、黃定義委員及羅美玲委員關切動員預算的各項的經費支用金融能向委員辦公室報告以後我先說明有兩案改組決議一案改預算照列 |
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466案黃仁委員提案有關動員通訊費的議題經說明以後同意改列主決議另外 |
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第469案黃仁委員提案關切動員整備費用旅費的內容經說明後同意改列組決議第470案馬文君委員關切動員整備出國旅費的預算經說明後同意預算照列 |
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11884.581 |
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另外還有7案其中有3案要實施預算的刪減是馬文君委員的464案刪減200萬元 |
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馬文君委員的465案3減200萬元馬文君委員468案3減500萬元合計3減是900萬元我們建議按馬文君委員的指導這個3減900萬元建請科目自行調整 |
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另外有關保留凍結的部分就是其他的7案其中包含馬文君委員的464案凍結200萬元465案凍結500萬元 |
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467案也是馬文君委員（凍結200萬元464凍結200萬元馬文君委員465案凍結500萬元是馬文君委員另外一個 |
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馬文君委員467案凍結200萬元另外還有一個馬文君委員468案凍結500萬元加起來是1400萬元我們建議是按馬文君委員的提案來凍結我們完成書面報告到委員會另外 |
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還有最後的417黃定委員凍結100萬元471黃定委員凍結100萬元472黃定委員凍結200萬元另外羅美林委員473案是凍結100萬元那建議因為馬文君整個案量比較多我來做分配好不好第一個就剛才的額數各位委員有沒有意見溝通的結果 |
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他現在是逐案念了就是說溝通的結果是否為真我們先處理這個如果是的話那待會各位再詮詢數額對嘛數額對我跟馬委員討論一下就是說因為你的金額比較大我可能有些數額會分配給羅美玲委員分配給黃蓉委員那你們的數額溝通是對的因為這樣我不知道他剛剛念的是不是跟我們講的有一樣因為有幾個案子我們希望 |
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12018.832 |
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12019.352 |
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464案檢列200、凍結200465案檢列200、凍結500 |
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12042.18 |
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466改組決議467凍結200468減列500凍結500469改組決議470案照列471凍結100472凍結200473凍結100但是黃仁、王定宇、羅美蓮的部分我會跟馬委員到時候我們看凍結數怎麼樣子共用啦好數額對不對溝通的數額 |
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12072.034 |
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464資訊整合 |
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12090.933 |
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12097.522 |
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因為全動數之前已經有做了建置完成先提代後備動員管理資訊系統已經花了大概4000多萬那在114年的時候全民防衛動員資訊整合系統 |
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12107.156 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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12128.379 |
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12156.845 |
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全動數也負責所有的人力物力應該要綠定所有的格式讓所有不管是其他的軍種也好或者其他的民間單位也好或者其他的部會也好應該這樣對你們的一個銜接可能也比較容易一點那擴充的這個部分希望它也只是功能精進不要說每次編了比較高額的預算不斷的每年都用這個部分我們希望可以做一些修正 |
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464、465 |
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自強演習465自強演習這個部分大概就是按照我們的協議的一個內容不過我們也是希望說你在可能採購的設備方面其實有一些可能也不要浪費或者買到我們可能沒有用的一些物資會造成我們在囤儲的時候可能也造成大家的困難跟麻煩這個部分 |
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12204.609 |
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12223.84 |
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467467是對就是我們之前講的我們所有的出去你要素飲或者要訓練其實我們常常都要多花了很多錢那你在每個軍種大概都有編這些相關的費用它等於是你光是流動廁所全部加起來好像不少 |
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12224.6 |
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12253.5 |
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對對所以我意思是說這個部分可能稍微是不是可以去考量我們有一些閒置的空置的營區要怎麼樣來活化或者來運用這個部分那其他我來處理預算數好不好來我現在來處理預算數我處理之前先跟馬委員討論一下你的468案的凍結500我幫你寫凍結100400的話我會移到其他委員同仁所以總數是一樣這樣好不好 |
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464 到 473 案委員會通過的決議如下464 案凍結兩百萬科目自行調整凍結兩百萬書面報告後使得凍資465 凍結兩百萬科目自行調整 |
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12279.491 |
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12286.796 |
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動結五百萬書面報告經同意後使得動之466案改組決議467案動結兩百萬書面報告後使得動之468萬簡列五百萬科目自行調整動結一百萬 |
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12297.062 |
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12297.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
請說明 |
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12329.635 |
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12350.785 |
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474案是陳冠廷委員提案（主席不好意思我補充一下（因為剛剛470案我雖然同意照列（不過我也要求必須要提供報告說明他們的（將老把470案的說明（放進去你的（放進去 |
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12360.804 |
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相同的同情費物品 |
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這樣好不好放在你的那個467案裡面一併把那個把同意照列的470案但是你還是要說明說明的時候呢你把它附在那個467案的書面報告裡面現在委員知道好來回到4714請說明 |
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12409.447 |
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474案是陳冠廷委員指導關切教昭訓練能量的議題前以致委員辦公室提供說明建行同意下修凍結100萬元並向委員會提出書面報告後時的動資預算書怎麼樣凍結100萬元下修陳冠廷委員OK |
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12414.429 |
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474案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支來現在是475萬到476案 |
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475及476案馬文君委員關切包括定額服裝費還有素營裝備陣營具迷彩膠鞋等編列議題前一日委員辦公室說明建議475案依委員指導 |
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12445.921 |
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12465.651 |
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3減200萬元科目自行調整令476案經向委員報告建請同意預算照列以上報告來提案委員好這個部分476案同意照列475案因為都是後備的我們之前也都有提到的稍微調整一下減列200預算不要不要自行調整因為200就在這裡而已 |
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12490.709 |
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這一個會不會綁到其他的部分會不會跟剛才一樣的問題剪裂啊對對對直接剪裂了啦來475這個案子剪裂200萬那這個科目的話就不用調就直接 |
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定額補充 |
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12513.694 |
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12539.521 |
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針對定額服裝請你們把它簡列在那個科目上但我們允許你們科目自行調整我們只是附註它簡列是針對那個服裝的部分好現在477案沈博洋委員提案請說明477案是沈博洋委員指導有關微型無人機訓練相關規劃的議題那前置委員辦公室來說明建請同意預算照列 |
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12541.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
12542.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
477案同意照列478案到479案請說明 |
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12554.717 |
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12573.304 |
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478案為馬文君委員提案另外479案為林益君委員提案關切新型步槍的一個籌貨量以及新型步槍雷射模組功能前項委員辦公室提供說明 |
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12574.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
12577.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
針對478案建請同意下修為凍結1000萬元並向委員會提出書面報告後時的凍資479案建請同意預算照列 |
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12588.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
12588.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
後備部隊你是不是需要這麼大的量? |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
12605.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
12613.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
你後備部隊有要接ST112嗎?應該你們是給後備的職業軍人那這個不是給後備軍人因為明年就要交裝這個是現役人員使用可不可以不要講好就講好了啦那你們現在後備的部隊的他們是用哪一種還在用K2嗎? |
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12632.481 |
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12634.682 |
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478萬凍結1000萬書面報告經同意或使得凍資479案同意照列480案到481案請說明 |
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12650.202 |
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12673.652 |
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第480案為馬文君委員提案第481案為林益君委員提案是有關微型無人機籌貨的一個進度另外也包含無人機抗干擾的一個能力那今上委員辦公室說明480案建請同意下修為凍結1000萬元並向委員會提出書面報告後時的凍資481案建請同意預算照列 |
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12679.946 |
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12705.875 |
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我們兩個併案處理各位委員若沒意見的話這一個根麻委員長平兄姐這個用林益君委員當主題案好 我們480案跟481案以林益君早委為主題案480案為主題案兩案併案凍結一千萬元書面報告經同意後 使得動之接下來482案請說明這警戒性我們就我們昨天已經有共識了都是凍結10%我們就照 |
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12708.476 |
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12734.466 |
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已經建置完成的這個是作業費那作業費動百分之十你們OK嗎感謝指導這個我改照列百分之十變成三千六是不是那會留下歷史記錄我還沒有審過三千六的好照列啦好482案照列謝謝提醒我這個我沒有看到後面總額 |
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12736.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
12740.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
483案請說明483案為馬文君委員指導有關國軍HF的通信機換裝的進度經常委員辦公室說明依委員提案凍結53000元並向委員會提出書面報告後時的凍結你53000就全凍吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
12758.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
12758.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
484案到490案換國防大學教育長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
12825.343 |
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好 我們進到國防大學我們看12點半之前能不能把所屬單位盡量處理來484到490請說明早委委員好 國防大學報告第484案是第488案為馬文君委員關心本校教育行政科目向下其他業務租金、物品、一般事務費及救生員委外等項預算編列提出指導 |
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12826.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
12835.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
感謝委員的指導上述5案均已向委員說明經同意484案免予刪減預算照列恭喜委員指導同意照列 |
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12836.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
12843.824 |
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485案同意免於刪減及凍結預算照列486案竟同意下修為凍結500萬元（並向委員提出訴命報告後（使得凍資487案同意下修為3減100萬徵定主決議科目自行調整488案同意免於刪減預算照列公請委員指導 |
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12866.991 |
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489案至第490案為陳冠廷委員關心本校遠彭專案及國際人道法軍事院校交流研議會等出國案提出指導感謝委員的指導本案已向委員說明經同意489案下修為凍結20萬元並向委員會提出順便報告後使得動之 |
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第493案竟同意免於凍結預算造劣歐勤委員知道各位委員若沒有其他意見的話預算數也有共識的話我們就來處理預算額度不在處理預算額度之前你們那個銀色管院跟政院的那個改建案現在走到哪裡了 |
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那時候處理這個案子的校長還不是劉志斌喔那時候校長是 |
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以前王司令那你們這樣子有點太慢了我們這兩天委員都在關心我們軍事院校的硬體設備真的啦要給授訓的官兵好一點的銀色你才能招到好的人嘛 |
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當年我們都已經有共識也做成決議了怎麼到現在3年都還沒動我們內部整修有做但是那個整建案的時候你們連體育場打乒乓球的那個以腳的右後方有個洞用後置板塞我去看的時候看到有個洞那邊還在打乒乓球 |
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後來我們是說要蓋新的銀色你們還規劃了兩棟嘛因為預算那時候有做有啊有預算啊後來怎麼沒有執行那個年度也向後調整就往後調整調整到什麼時候107年不要老是把基層軍官的需求挪到最後面去啦你們那個時程拜託回復一下因為當年我印象三年多前的案子 |
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回個文到我那邊因為你們後來沒有進行也沒有回報好不好來我們先處理這個484到490案484案同意照列485案同意照列486案凍結500萬書面報告後時的凍支487案 |
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簡列100萬並送組決議（科目自行調整488案同意照列489案凍結20萬書面報告後使得凍支490案同意照列 |
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接下來是491案請說明第491案是等一下我們沒有針對那個稍微說一下因為有一些我讓他照列可是他的教育資源分配啦剛剛有提到了然後另外在487的地方因為我們檢列100然後有提組決議嘛因為 |
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主要是游泳池的部分需要8位救生員目前只有2位救生員其實他是硬性規定的尤其在學校裡面他的安全性非常重要所以已經4年了他都沒有辦法找出相關的編制人員其實如果在我們的質疑全國軍裡面 |
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主要是在游泳池的這個部分 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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第491案為徐曉清委員關心本校太陽光電標註案 |
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廠商違規使用錄製設備未回報案感謝委員的指導本案已向委員提供完整的資料而且事成實質人員並與廠商終止契約這邊建議委員同意下修凍結預算數10%並向委員會提出素面報告後使得凍資恭請委員指導來提案委員請 |
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6月27日媒體說了在光電設備裡面有大陸逆變器等等就是大陸製品嘛 |
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然後呢你們就說這個逆變器是台灣製造而且有產地證明然後呢7月1號你們去因為他一直講說整個光電的案子然後呢你們7月1號的時候才去清查就是整個光電案子然後你們說發現裡面有路由器跟工業電腦等設備你說雖為台灣品牌但機體標註為中國製 |
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在7月2日軍備局正式含文各單位清查所設置的光電系統有沒有大陸製品並且正式據文回覆的時候 |
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本校工程官因為7月2日早上就已經拆除所以7月5日一現況含附軍備局說校園並無錄製設備我不曉得各位委員聽到這個能不能接受這樣子的一個回覆你自己從6月27日知道這件事之後然後開始查查查就是有貼牌的就是有中國製的 |
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結果軍備局發韓文他沒發那麼快他發給你發到你的時候你拆掉你就回復他說我們校區沒有使用我覺得這樣不對所以7月5日回復這個沒有錄製品事成半人的誤知誤解 |
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所以我想要問你們對清查的時間定義是什麼然後呢再來你們後面告訴我說後續處置是要求限期權數拆除相關裝備還有返還不動產國有之不動產使用權那還想問說那會不會還有哪些地方是還沒有去處理的或怎麼樣這個是想要詢問喔好那所以說我這裡預算的部分呢那我建議下修這個稍微那凍結預算200萬元 |
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請問教育長你這變了兩件事情一個是用了中國製品一個是請你調查了亂回答一通這是兩件事情那我第一個問題是你們懲處是怎麼懲處 |
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我把我們陳曼仁跟他業館的主管都有懲處到怎麼懲處?記過陳曼仁記過一次副處長申屆兩次 處長申屆一次第二個我們的軍品這有沒有列在我們那個軍品不可以用中國製品的那個三年以下有期徒刑的 |
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主席主席 |
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當時啟動要求調查之後第一時間回覆說都沒有我們都沒有這種回覆太草率你這樣會讓我們對你們的調查報告沒有信心嘛我們都採取信任原則軍方調查我們就接受可如果你讓我抓到一次你的調查報告跟結果根本是相反的以後你調查報告怎麼相信所以這個部分也要有懲處的記錄出來那個學員這樣OK啦好我們491案凍結200萬 |
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書面報告後經同意時的動資書面報告內容請涵蓋委員提案或委員在委員會上的這個口頭詢問的內容好來492案請說明第492案為馬文君委員關心本校慈安六村及慈安八村植物宿舍修繕工程預算提出指導感謝委員的指導本案向委員說明已經經同意免於刪減及凍結預算照列恭喜委員指導來馬委員 |
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第…… |
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第493案為陳冠廷委員針對本校辦理模式模擬專精班等班隊向下一班事務費預算便利提出指導感謝委員的指導本案已經向委員說明然後經同意下修為凍結20萬元並向委員會提出順便報告後使得凍資恭請委員指導來陳委員 |
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我跟在溝通的時候有特別強調說你們的這個兵棋推演不要就是關起門來自己做希望可以跟國內外的一些安全查和可以的事故合作然後第二個就是說很多CSIS的兵棋推演他一出去就是一個國際重大新聞甚至可以成為輿論的導向我們的兵棋推演都是關起門來自己做我覺得很可惜有的時候我們可以傳達一些訊息這個部分 |
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再請何主席動機20萬順便報告後使得動之就是兵器推演如果是我們像漢光的當然我們就不會對外了那如果是學校或者科研或者是智庫機構的其實兵器推演的結果在不影響機敏國家利益的情形下適度的展現也是必要我另外請教那個宣普副部長以前我們進山洞就漢光進山洞會抓一些 |
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會請一些部長進去有沒有我印象還有曾經把立委請進去過的你們現在沒有這個了嗎 |
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不是,10年來都沒有啊我們這裡有人被請到山洞裡面去過好像沒有啦當然要請別人我是沒興趣進去要好幾天好,這個我是問一下就是你們在做兵推啦相關的部分的時候有時候會把相關部會啦能支援動員的人會在裡面有個工作台會在裡面啦我印象以前有找過國會議員後來都沒有了你們我覺得這個趙偉講得非常好我認為說我們是民選的代表 |
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494案請說明 |
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第494案為馬文君委員關心本校車輛及辦公器具養護費預算編列提供指導感謝委員的指導本案已經向委員說明今同一名於三節預算照列恭喜委員指導來馬委員 |
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第495案及496案（為環能委員及馬文俊委員（共同關心本校後勤補給資源科目向下 |
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雜項設備費預算編列提出指導其中第495案為環燈委員關心本校對相關設備進行汰換汰換需求是否必要如此頻繁上代說明凍結後勤補給支援雜項設備費十分之一兩個月內提出順便報告後使得動之第496案為馬文君委員關心本校後勤補給支援雜項設備費案內兩校區需汰換之設備項目數量不明 |
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委員該檢列300萬元並凍結300萬元（3個月內提出說明報告並經同意後（使得凍資感謝委員的指導本案已經向委員做過說明敬請委員同意495案及496案並按凍結預算數10%並向委員會提出說明報告後（使得凍資恭請委員指導來歡迎委員請 |
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13673 |
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關於這個設備的一個汰換超過使用年限以不堪使用的存有這個差距根據說明是以使用年限為汰換依據建議應該確實盤點設備的汰換的必要性好不好好現在委員知道 |
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瑪瑋媛議員 |
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495-496案以黃人委員的提案為主題案並案凍結10%書面報告後使得凍支497案請說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
第497案為馬文君委員關心本校載人公務車籌補案提出指導感謝委員的指導本案已經向委員說明敬請同意凍結100萬元並向委員會提出說明報告後使得凍結他本來要讓你過的樣子他本來要同意照列 |
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13746.706 |
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同意教練因為這個我們前面有講因為你像學校他明明就需要大客車那你給他1.75噸的客貨車這個事情我一直覺得很好奇你要買20人坐的或買大客車我給你一個5人坐的小客車這怎麼結案啊你要載什麼貨你明明是要就你的需求跟購買東西要對起來嘛你不能說買不到大的換個小的這個 |
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不過這是陸軍統建的啦那就是買了以後你本來報的需求給你的不一樣的對啊好我看這個謝謝委員啦同意照列497案同意照列498案也是馬文俊委員關心本校環保設施維護會的一般事務費預算便利提供指導感謝委員的指導已經向委員說明然後同意免於刪減預算照列恭喜委員指導 |
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這個部分因為預算是學校用的所以我們同意照列可是也藉這個機會我們要特別提出來就是三軍官校平常大概是由我們的司令部他會編相關的預算在校舍還有一些教學設施上面去做更新可是我們看到國防大學他下屬的不管是理工學院管理學院還有政戰學院好像就比較沒有受到關愛的眼神 |
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13849.35 |
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因為我們之前看到很多的照片他有些不管是教具也好或者是設備也好或者甚至硬體也好其實都非常的老舊而且不是老舊是破舊那個很難讓人家相信說那是學校我們的同仁在從官校畢業他30年前外觀從頭沒有改變 |
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他在30年後回去的時候他沒有改變所以我們希望這個部分從國防部因為國防部也應該要給國防大學就是相關的預算經費在這個部分因為為什麼我們是這個例子這一次還好我們的中正理工學院要辦活動 |
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所以就發現它裡面堆了一些樹枝啊、垃圾啊（堆了一大堆（堆在中正理工學院裡面（因為它沒有預算可以去執行（那些來源是什麼（三年前的颱風造成很多的樹枝的（你確定他們不是要做堆肥 |
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在這裡我們從他的軟硬體還有像這個案例我們都可以發現這個部分我們對學校如果我們要招生你像現在這樣子的一個條件 |
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498案,謝謝馬委員同意照列 |
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我還是提醒國防大學就是說我知道我們的軍方的資源的排序學校永遠排在最後面可是這些來讀書的都是我們基層的軍官 |
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對基層軍官好人才才會好然後未來他才會茁壯所以你像理工學院其實招生我比較不擔心因為你們跟交大並聯那時候我處理了讓你們在軍中用理工學院的文品畢業之後變交通大學的這是一個那個已經好幾年了那個就是把我們的位階提升到跟交大我一個軍校出來的我就是跟交大同等級這個才有尊榮感也有實用感那其他的國管院什麼我們那時候推跟台北大學等等 |
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主席 |
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官校是我們軍官的搖籃不要老是把它排最後面每一個重要的將領都是從基層的位級軍官長大的我們自己都當過少尉、中尉過基層軍官越重視他國家才會強好不好這個同意趙烈陳冠廷委員議長所以趙你當初在國防外交委員會你去推動這一個跟江南大學 |
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當時理工學院已經不見了我是把他們的文憑又恢復回來然後又推台北大學跟國管院但後來案走到一半啦就是說並聯學位置教育部都已經同意我覺得你們要繼續推下去啦所以我是國管院我是政院我是法律系畢業的我在軍中用 |
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中央政府總預算案 |
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接下來來處理中正裕孝 |
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499-501各位我們是不是處理到中正預效結束參謀本部我們就留待下午再開始處理 |
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中正育校499-501請說明張偉各位委員好中正育校報告499-501案為後勤補給支援案為徐曉新委員、林楚英委員、羅美英委員共同關切本校對伙食危害廠商管理的機合疏失提案做指導 |
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前一項委員辦公室親自報告及遞交資料499案建請委員同意預算遭列改列主決議第500案已獲林楚瑩委員同意改列為主決議第501案已獲羅美琳委員同意改列主決議以上三案恭請委員指導來請提案委員徐委員 |
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我改組決議然後呢我要特別講一下就是呢這個這個中正預效的回復呢可以說是非常好的他們在就是說針對上一次的這個中正預效的食物中毒事件那他們整個的這個勤務作業的修正辦法裡面包含 |
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新增指揮官及大隊長5人（增加指揮官12人（督導部分5人（每週定期（火防衛生暫時督導每週增加 |
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2至3次總餐廳每週本來增加7次然後火防衛生環境也增加1至2次然後上下半年的監處講習從2次增加到4次然後也新增12次的案例研討及教育訓練打掃的部分每個月新增2次火防停止作業兩天的時候進行全面的消毒及清潔 |
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那我覺得呢為什麼我要特別講這是在鼓勵我們所有國防部的同仁就當我們在審查預算的時候那如果你們可以針對這些過去缺失不管是上了新聞或什麼樣的那你能夠做這麼好的精進修正讓我們的學生不要再發揮這樣的事情我覺得我有責任把你們給我的這個精進作業報告寫得這麼好那講出來讓大家都知道所以特別針對這個修正的部分我是感到非常滿意的 |
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所以我直接改為主決議那我主決議的部分也會提到我們對於這個修正案你們是有精進作為那我們是覺得非常認同好 謝謝林楚英委員 |
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同樣的也是就是在你們的報告裡面除了剛剛徐巧欣委員所提到的部分之外包括還有協助後續的像是保險理賠等等那因為我們也知道如果一旦凍結了反而是會影響到你們委外招標這樣子反而品質會變得更差所以這也是我們決定就是以主決議的方式那麼希望不要再發生這樣的意外因為通常意外發生絕對不是只有這樣的一個狀況一定是過去累積下來才會上新聞 |
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499案到501案預算照列那三位都改為主決議那陳校長陳少將的報告獲得讚賞本席樂見就是你們報告做得好委員誇獎 |
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還附帶預算照列這是一個好的發展所以你可以中間就要開一個班叫做如何寫報告好不好但我要請教你你們現在國中部停辦嗎因為你們是在我們第9屆的時候恢復的那為什麼要停辦這樣也沒有回答啊你這樣的回答就是推給徐彥甫你們的綜合考量是什麼 |
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就是說我印象我們第9屆的時候那時候轟轟烈烈說恢復辦然後還編了生活補助費什麼什麼我還要叫我兒子去讀欸你們現在停辦了你們招生有困難嗎 |
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三軍官校正期班的招生人數應該還要再往上跳基層的排長經過四年的官校的訓練出來 |
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我坦白說這個是重要的骨幹你人數我也說到一個程度對於將來不管是營長旅長帶聯兵營下面的排長我是建議國防部思考一下在三軍官校品質不能下降人數上要思考調整 |
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12時29分42秒12時30分中午休息一個小時1點半恢復開會從參謀本部開始進行下午我們所屬單位處理完會宣讀 |
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請各位主決議還沒有擬出來的趕快送過來要宣讀宣讀完處理主決議主決議處理完有關機密預算未達共識的第二輪先處理到時候會清場那機密預算二輪處理完會處理公開預算的二輪那請各業管單位如果能夠溝通的趕快去溝通我們希望再進入第二輪的越少越好我們現在休息待會恢復開會 |
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時間是1點30分我們恢復開會現在來進行參謀本部的502案到505案我先講一下我們今天下午的會議程順便等委員都陸續到期我們今天下午先把國防部所屬審完審完之後會宣讀主決議所以主決議有要提案的委員趕快儘速提出宣讀完處理主決議 |
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主決議如果待協調的請我們各業管單位跟提案委員溝通要修改文字我們在宣讀的時候要修改完成那主決議處理完之後我們就要處理機密預算的第二輪部分部的預算部分部的預算處理完處理機密預算第二輪機密預算第二輪處理完處理公開預算的第二輪同樣進入第二輪的如果能夠再溝通一下 |
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能夠達成協議目前已經有兩三案達成協議了我們盡量減少在沒有共識的第二輪我還是希望在我們的委員會充分討論意見表達立場表達清楚之後盡量以共識決來處理那如果真的沒有辦法我們到第二輪其實該講的話都講完了啦我們到第二輪可能就是來盡快的處理好陸續都到了嘛 |
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好 那我們部長那個 消假回來上班好 呵呵呵 好走吧 那個徐小興委員說那個顧立雄部長不在的時候超順的我看你再請兩個小時假 呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
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因為一開始參謀本部第一個案有沈伯陽有黃仁有羅美玲委員是不是請黨團助理催一下他們我開始可以等一下就盡量大家都在好不好 |
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502案沈博洋委員改組決議待會參謀本部就不用再說明了然後黃仁委員有沒有改我印象他好像有喔看一下他是100萬減為50萬他減50嗎是動50動50動50好來我們502到505請說明 |
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各位委員好,502案委沈博洋委員他關切在中國就學異難還有中國籍的異難是否在入伍之後有完整的應對規範那這個部分我們已經跟委員辦公室提供完整的資料以及說明經委員同意改列為主決議並在兩個月之內提出書面報告請委員指導 |
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503到505案分別由黃展委員、羅美玲委員以及王定委員共同關心戰鬥部隊邊線比低於八成的議題這個部分我們分別跟委員說明之後其中黃展委員同意改 |
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凍結100萬減到50萬（羅美玲委員是同意並召委提案決議辦理召委這邊是從200萬下修為凍結100萬元我們建請同意 |
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凍結100萬元三個月內提出書面報告我不要三個月內因為什麼時候解凍要在立法院開會期間我說我剛一直沒有押日期解凍的排審是召委的權利而且沒有開議期間根本不能排審502505如果沒有特別要隨循的我來做預算處理502案改組決議503案凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍支 |
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504案凍結50萬書面報告後時的凍支505案凍結50萬書面報告後時的凍支好接下來處理506案陳永康委員的提案來請說明 |
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第506案是陳永康委員關切有關於共同作戰圖像的建置還有運用作法謝謝委員的指導本案也向委員說明了建請同意凍結50萬並向委員會提出書面報告以後使得動之陳委員我們同意凍結數字減到50萬 |
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但是順便報告當然你那個有些技術上的問題你歡迎來討論因為希望加快JCAP的進程因為M142要交貨了那如果還是用陸軍的UTM圖跟未來海軍的機動的這個說魚叉飛彈 |
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路海軍對目標的辨識跟共同的分配需要透過這個JACOB506案凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍資書面報告請涵蓋這些要完成的時程好不好這個曾委員關心很久了來507案507案不用講教練通過 |
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我舉一個例子就是說一切的根本是培養人才我們國防經費在增加如果只是聚焦在硬體的裝備 |
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在人才的培育上面產生落差的話實際上這武器效益不容易發揮我舉例美國給我們這麼多先進裝備不管是陸軍空軍海軍你去受訓的時候你拿到的操作手冊準則教範全部是英文的你回來不能說等待翻譯版所以在過程中間英文要變成你的善用的工具 |
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另外,教材及課程內容要更新。現在AI技術是一個工具,但在我們運用上好像還沒有普及,人人都會講AI。 |
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比方來講我們常常講我們掌握敵情透過聯合情監偵後面來加一個諸般手段你有手段你有目的但你沒有方法你的方法是什麼呢透過共同圖像不只是情報的你包括軍情局的電產式的我們涵蓋的範圍是遠超過臺灣的周遭那這個樣子做的資訊匯集才能支持長官正確的決策判斷所以在教育經費上我們要加倍 |
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大陸北京大學的教育經費年度經費是台大的6倍台大是我們國防大學的5倍你想想看我們如果不加快腳步這是不行的好謝謝陳永康委員508案改組決議來509案請說明 |
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是509萬為馬文君委員關切針對駐美團動員整備的相關業務那謝謝委員的指導我們本案也向馬委員說明那建請簡列100萬並向委員會提出書面報告以後使得動之來馬委員 |
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這一個部分因為我們看到有這樣的人員那國軍的大案子在住處通常也都只有他專案通常也都只有一個那一次派了三個像退府會這麼大 |
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的團體組織其實大概也是兩人所以這個部分我們希望他提一個書面報告那權動署其實在這些交流的就派出在外面還有他整個交流跟所有 |
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是我們先（好 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
18526.229 |
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18526.329 |
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510-513案請說明 |
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18569.039 |
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委員好510到513案分別由陳永康委員以及馬文君委員對於作戰綜合作業的預算來提案指導其中510及511案為陳永康委員關心我們共同作戰圖像建置及運用以及M1A2戰車作戰運用還有機動部署的狀況 |
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五百一十二及五百一十三案為馬文君委員所關心的我們執行人員的這屆值班夜點費還有漢光演習的一個整體規劃以上四案都已經向委員辦公室來說明以及提供相關的資料建請委員同意五百一十案下修為凍結五十萬提出書面報告之後使得凍值五百一十一及五百一十三案預算照列 |
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18599.568 |
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18604.934 |
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512案是馬文君委員關心國軍官兵夜點費由114年1月1日從60塊調整到100塊國防部有關預算的來源這部分我利用這個時間要特別感謝馬委員以及王定宇召委分別在今年的6月跟10月之間有推行過這樣的一個議題 |
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18623.372 |
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18645.409 |
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本部也很重視所以我們在今年的7月就提出相關的調整的規劃並報告行政院行政院在7月份提出然後行政院在8月底的時候合併因為合併的時間已經過了預算已經合併了所以我們來不及編到明年的預算當中但是我們會去檢討明年的預算 |
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18646.71 |
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18646.73 |
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（預算（ |
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18663.059 |
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18663.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
514、512、513案請說明 |
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18687.952 |
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18713.949 |
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趙偉及各位委員好我是巡視室次長那接下來報告其中514案是馬文俊委員關切基本體能建設的系統維保預算編列還有我們這個我們相關的系統整併的一個議題那515案是黃仁委員關切自願意因為人數降低缺乏人員操作的議題 |
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18736.286 |
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這兩案都分別感謝委員的指導也分別向委員說明建請五一四案馬委員能夠同意預算照列提出書面報告五一五案建請黃委員能夠同意凍結一百萬提出書面報告後時可凍支以上報告 |
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18756.357 |
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馬委員預算我們統一照列不過要提一些相關的說明因為目前國軍志願役跟義務役現在都改成可以在單位駐地去測驗可是以前也是都要到監測中心主要是要防止舞弊現在 |
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18758.905 |
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18758.945 |
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委員會委員會 |
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18777.847 |
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18796.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
建設中心其實會把志願役跟義務役這邊大概可以調到駐地去測驗很重要的因素大概兵太多然後也怕太累所以在建設的過程當中可能成績也不太好所以大概會有這樣的考量 |
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18797.383 |
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18797.643 |
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區別成不容許舞弊 |
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18814.622 |
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18822.766 |
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在一般的訓練上其實就會有軍官管理階層去控管這個大概也是在管理上的平衡514案同意照列515案黃榮委員100萬凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支接下來處理516到521案請說明516到521案是委員 |
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18840.173 |
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18864.782 |
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關於通信電子跟資訊管理的預算561案為馬文君委員針對基層主管跟承辦人因業務聯繫自行購置手機然後提醒國防部應充分利用民間的資源避免官兵額外的負擔第517案也是馬文君委員關心本部編列高額的資訊服務費是否能夠有效的防止駭客入侵及官兵非法違規使用資訊設備 |
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18866.964 |
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18891.981 |
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518案是陳永康委員關心共同作戰圖像建置與運用519案也是陳永康委員關心無人機產業的發展政策520案是林儲英委員關心應與速發部建立快速反應的綠色通道521案為徐曉新委員針對通知電產品位置源頭管制以增加抽樣集合的太陽強化資訊資產 |
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18893.629 |
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18904.213 |
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（同籌管理（感謝各位委員的指導（各案前都已經到各委員辦公室提供完整的資料及說明（建請同意516到521案並案凍結5000萬（並向委員會提出書面報告後使得動之來那個林楚英委員好我這個提案的 |
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18918.612 |
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好等一下再來處理預算數啦我先說明一下就是為什麼會提這個案子主要是說我們知道現在中共透過網路的平台來進行包括像對於我們又使我們國軍比如說提供一些情資包括他的手法有三個就是包括裸拍威脅還有剛剛我講到的低利貸款啊或者是高額的徵稿等等那我認為說國軍這個所謂的 |
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18943.317 |
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18960.215 |
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私通電軍本來就應該要有資訊作戰的能力那麼面對中國這種敵軍直接已經侵害到我們國軍地修包括心防包括這個所謂泄密那我個人認為是在這個部分你們本來就要加強相關的能力好那我的提案的話是凍結10%啦 |
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18962.637 |
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18963.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
徐曉欣委員 |
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18983.234 |
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19007.849 |
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因為我這邊的凍結理由跟大家比較不一樣所以我想我要特別提就是我先講一下預算數那我也可以同意下降到5000萬關於我們的通信電子相關裝備來說先前我們就有提到說你們的行車記錄器然後有用到大陸的貼牌 |
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19009.13 |
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19032.265 |
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然後呢行車記錄信用到大陸貼牌那你們顯見你的自通電產品源頭的控管是不夠好的那你們回覆的時候呢講說為驗證各單位資訊設備管控執行成效本部已規劃運用各項督、輔導、實機材、定期或不定期的方式實施集合 |
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19032.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
19038.787 |
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那我提的這個就是錄製的貼牌行車紀錄器已經好久了第一個問題是後來你們總共查獲了幾件第二個問題是這個案發已經半年實際的實行狀況第三個就是說那你們到時候可能要回復我們的書面資料是那所謂什麼叫做 |
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19053.313 |
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19067.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
規劃運用各項督導、輔導、實機採定期或不定期方式實施集合在我看起來這段話有講跟沒講好像一樣所以麻煩到時候可以提出謝謝好來還有沒有其他委員來馬文俊委員 |
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19071.071 |
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19075.212 |
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515的部分早上其實有提過就是我們全軍有9000多個門號民用的門號然後我們給門號 |
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19092.156 |
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19095.72 |
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指給門號因為我們就接到有家長在反映他的孩子回去他還要求要買另外一支手機因為他必須有公務的需求他拿到門號也拿到一千塊的電話費 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
19109.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
19109.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
517資安軟體授權費 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
19138.245 |
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19140.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
他有很多高階防火牆、博生專案、其實也做過非常多114年通次市就編了3億多光是一個連六花3億多用公費去買 |
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19153.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
19161.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
這個部分主要是因為訴發部跟資安辦公室他把所有的相關部門政府機構還有行政單位他分了ABCDE的等級那你沒有要求一定要買最高級的在每一個等級每一級裡面他雖然有綠定一些項目可是沒有說多少錢 |
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19174.293 |
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19176.895 |
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所以在每一個等級裡面他有最便宜的然後有最貴的國防部通常都是買最貴的啦所以像督察長是一個1985這樣子的電話就是1985專線的這個部分他也買到一百三十幾萬的防堵軟體 |
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19196.443 |
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所以在國軍裡面的最外層算我們現在有支通電軍他花了很高額的預算他做了所有高級設備的全防護可是我們現在連6就編了3億多那其他的單位也要另外再編錢 |
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19208.922 |
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19212.385 |
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你等於說好像在銀行裡面買了保險箱可是你又不相信你自己又買了一個保險箱放在銀行的保險箱裡面一樣的意思那你至少這個金額稍微要把它區隔開來比較機敏的你可以買比較好的我覺得這個就是把它的等級以外 |
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19228.937 |
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19229.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
19259.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
19283.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
我來處理預算我建議不管是那個我們通知室或者是相關軍種像這樣的話大概上面要有一個去把它統籌然後按層次感來做處理否則會有感覺都重複在做這個事情那到底誰該買最高級的誰該買一般的因為我好奇你們那個是買所謂的防火軟體是買 |
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19284.341 |
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19308.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
他因為授權我們的不管是高階的防火牆和新的網路你不是自己設置而是去找買商買外面的對因為他都到12月31號截止然後所以我們的明年度的時候重新要再買對我們因為買商就買外面偽商的防火牆有一個缺點因為以前我們都覺得設置防火牆公司跟駭客是同一家公司 |
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19309.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
19328.373 |
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你會有這個風險所以如果我們有跟跨部會去了解說有一些防火牆我們能不能自己建制這個你們要去思考因為畢竟國防是大概所有需要慈安最高等的你們同意5000萬那就5000萬吧我來做一下分配先從數額少的馬委員你那個5000萬我來分配一下 |
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19335.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
19344.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
徐曉新委員的521案凍結1000萬書面報告後使得凍資林楚英委員凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍資陳永康委員凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍資這樣子還有3800萬再來馬文君委員並案凍結3800萬書面報告後經同意使得凍資 |
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19363.176 |
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19364.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
512案至525案主要是陳永康委員及毛文清 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
19382.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
19396.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
馬文君委員共同關心財務本部軍事單位的裝備零附件的構置以及保修預算編列的情形以上四案均已致委員辦公室實施說明建請同意522案預算照列523案凍結100萬元524及525案各案凍結十分之一並向委員會提出書面報告後使得凍結以上報告供請委員指導 |
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19409.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
19412.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
委員若沒有意見的話就照這樣通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
19436.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
19443.534 |
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五二三照列五二四動100然後五二四動10%五二五動10%然後順便報告經同意後時得動之沒錯啦 |
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19451.079 |
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19454.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
522兆列523案凍結100萬書面報告後10的凍支524案凍結10%525案凍結10%這兩案書面報告經統一後10的凍支 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
19467.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
19473.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
馬文君委員關切我們駐美團清潔人力所需的費用謝謝委員的指導我們也向委員報告過敬請同意預算照列馬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
19499.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
19505.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
五百二十七案同意照列我們現在來處理軍情局的部分來軍情局從528案開始來請說明 |
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19513.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
19517.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
第529及530案並案分別為馬文君委員及徐巧欣委員共同關心情報作戰指管系統維護的議題 |
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19540.155 |
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19563.702 |
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簽以至委員辦公室說明並提供完整資料（建請同意併案凍結10%（提出書面報告後（使得動之（懇請委員指導我這邊軍情局的部分我都同意軍情局招募的成效回覆是說有超過200%是吧 |
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19565.482 |
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19565.883 |
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112年的達成率202% |
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19583.086 |
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19605.468 |
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113年目標跟同年一樣所以我想要問一下就是說你們這達成率啊如果這麼高的話是不是你們的目標啊就也應該要提高否則的話那我每個單位我都把那個我的目標放很低那這樣的話我達成率就很高所以我是想要針對這個問題呢好到時候要說明了有一種叫TOYOTA豐田市管理每年要加上去的你懂不懂 |
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19606.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
19629.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
報告委員其實我們是按照我們人員編制數跟不足數然後衡量近年內我們要培育的人才數來編列我們的招募的目標所以我們看到原本賦予的目標是這樣但是我們自己不足之後我們把自己提升到比如說200%就是依據我們自己本身的需求200是你們自己提高然後最後達標 |
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19630.79 |
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19644.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
以後設定目標就科學一點因為你們設定的數額會牽涉到訓練的成本各方面的成本所以你如果設定低你其他成本就會偏低其實這個也跟我們人員離退會有關係我們人員離退我們需要補充的時候我們就會把目標數再提高這個部分我們提案主要是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
19655.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
19682.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
一年大概編了4800多萬那都是授權費那主要是像情報作戰指管系統維護的這個部分過去我們是建在機密案可是你現在用公開預算因為在109到113年的公開預算書裡面軍情局並沒有這個系統的建案所以他之前你如果是用機密案那你現在用公開的預算是否要先解密 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
19683.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
19713.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
不然你現在因為他也還沒到他解密的年限可是你又是用在公開的那你這個機型數量有沒有辦法反推他的功能等等就是這個部分我們一直不知道說因為我們一直以來大概對這個都會比較重視嘛那會有沒有可能被有心人士去掌握這個是我們希望軍情局可以稍微做一下說明的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
19713.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
19719.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
好來529530案並案凍結10%以徐曉新委員的533為主提案書面報告經同意後使得凍支來接下來531案你先不要講話先讓徐曉新委員看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
19731.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
19731.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
529530案 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
19760.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
19761.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
531案同意照列532案請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
19785.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
19800.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
第532萬案為馬文君委員關心本局軍事醫療作業預算編列的議題簽一致委員辦公室說明提供完整資料現請同意預算照列肯請委員指導同意照列好532同意照列現在處理533到538案請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
19805.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
19828.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
第533至538案分別為徐巧欣、黃仁及馬文君委員關心本局室內靶場、體育館及游泳池整修的議題前一致委員辦公室說明提供完整資料其中黃仁委員同意第535案改列組決議於各案建請同意預算照列好 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
19831.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
19836.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
黃元委員的535案改組決議預算同意照列其他委員是不是同意照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
19840.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
19858.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
1536和538都同意照列不過因為這個主要是體育館還有游泳池的整修我們看提供的照片現況是舊了然後也應該要修可是我們看那個估價好像都偏高所以這個部分還是可能要稍微留意一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
19862.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
19881.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
533案到538案預算同意照列其中535案改組決議539案請說明第539案為馬文君委員關心本局植物宿舍整修議題簽一致委員辦公室說明提供完整資料建請同意預算照列懇請委員指導馬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
19886.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
19898.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
這個同意照列不過因為每年好像每年都有提出這個預算每年修都修不完是不是應該要整體規劃大概要怎麼樣他們的房子其實真的是每年在修不是就要把它全部把它盤整出來就像你有些銀色你應該哪些需要整修的你應該要怎麼樣提計劃去整修而不是你一年提這些體育項目的會員的那 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
19913.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
19913.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
540案到541案 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
19931.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
19939.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
來請說明第540及第541案並案前一支委員辦公室說明提供完整資料建議同意並案凍結200萬元提出書面報告後使得凍結來提案委員來來 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
19947.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
19949.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
540541馬委員我是動200因為這個部分主要是像我們的骨幹傳輸網路設備維護的這個部分通常都直通電軍在做而且他們也做得比較完整了那現在我們質疑又要做那是什麼原因要怎麼做做什麼這個部分我們也希望稍微說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
19975.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
19985.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
兩案並案凍結兩百萬元以馬文君委員的540案為主提案書面報告經同意後使得凍結再來542到543案請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
19994.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
20011.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
第542及543案並案分別為馬文君委員及徐巧欣委員共同關心本局後勤補給支援陣營具採購的議題請一致委員辦公室說明並提供完整的資料 建請同意預算照列 懇請委員指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
20013.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
20038.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
好所以預算書同一套列沒有沒有沒有那個這個我要特別講一下吼你們的這個經費啊就是你們這個543嘛後勤及通資業務然後你們提給我們的關於辦理營具汰換冷暖器什麼什麼配置什麼什麼的我們都支持你們能夠去購置可是你們的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
20040.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
20058.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
軍情局的設備的這個最低主計總處說公告最低的使用年限那比方說辦公室的最低使用年限是兩年高活動櫃的最低使用年限是六年然後你都說已經超過要換了 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
20059.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
20069.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
保密貴跟公文貴你都寫6年然後都說呢已經超過使用年限要換了然後呢台燈是一年我不曉得是什麼燈那麼爛的一年然後你說7萬5要花這個錢電風扇的我不知道大家有沒有吹過電風扇但是電風扇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
20078.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
20092.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
使用年限是5年然後呢你說已經超過了所以你要花5萬塊去使用冰箱喔使用年限8年我又不太確定是不是這樣子除濕機5年脫水機5年電動訂書機你們買了蠻多的這個是4年飲水機 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
20101.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
20114.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
銀水機60萬元你說超過使用年限可是你的使用年限是這個3年銀水機使用年限是3年嗎那剩下有一些也根本就沒有提供所以我我我 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
20115.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
20138.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
你從烘衣機、電風扇、除濕機跟脫水機這幾樣都是剛過最低使用年限就要換那我要講你那個剛過電最低使用年限的都是5年但是跟我們一般人的認知完全不一樣欸就是說有這麼容易壞嗎我覺得是不是我們還是要尊潔一點啊這可不可以先說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
20141.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
20164.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
你現在指的是你們所有的三方處所嗎?對,我們所有的你們有的是在有硫磺的區域,有的是沒有嗎?對,都有如果是因為地質特別,也可以讓委員知道一下是第一要跟委員報告,所有使用年限我們是按照行政院主席總署他所規範的財務標準分類來按照這個規範來使用年限來規範,不是我們自己局裡面去訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
20165.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
20191.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
第2個我們有把購置的年度有跟委員們把資料提供給您那我們使用的其實上面都有寫有的是100年、102年那我們只是告訴你我們已經超過這個6年或2年或幾年事實上已經都是好幾10年前或好幾年前就已經該換那我們現在逐年逐年有經費我們才一筆一筆所以你標示的年限不是他購置年限是過期年限對所以我剛剛有特別講對我剛剛有特別講 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
20192.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
20216.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
我剛剛有特別講說就是烘衣機、電風扇、除濕機跟脫水機它都是在剛過最低使用年限就汰換的這幾樣所以我不是說你每一個都不行這個就是使用年限的部分我是說使用年限它是給你一個最低的參考但是大家是不是要遵截一下預算就是說你說你的烘衣機喔好我就講烘衣機你是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
20217.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
20237.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
你購置年度是106到107年那你呢說要這個使用年限是5年所以你就要換了然後你要買6台電風扇嘛好電風扇是你105年到107年買的然後你現在跟我說呢你要再買20台他的使用年限是5年然後呢除濕機呢你說你要買10台那你購置的時間點先前是106到108年就是超過5年就要換 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
20245.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
20259.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
拖水機呢108年才買的然後呢現在要買6台也才過5年光是這四項我就覺得有一點誇張啊我不曉得你們其他大家委員覺得怎麼樣那個媽委員有沒有要詢問的來那個崔永康委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
20266.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
20266.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
我們是不是這個就給他動10%? |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
20280.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
20281.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
馬文君委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
20306.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
20321.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
我配合徐委員的啦然後還要這樣好不好我們就凍結我們凍結10%啦然後書面報告你書面報告呈現的就是很簡單一個道理看了覺得你應該換了解你知道就當作自己家一樣這東西看了你應該換 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
20323.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
20324.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
我檢列你50萬好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
20352.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
20354.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
許曉清委員提案為主提案簡列50萬科目執行調整凍結50萬書面報告經同意後時的凍支 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
20371.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
20389.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
五百四十四案黃源委員改組決議五百四十五案我照列同意照列各位我們現在要處理組決議因為組決議總共有42案我們現在增加了我們原來是五四六到五四九 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
20390.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
20410.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
現在增加550案到591案的主決議增加了42案所以我們要進行宣讀宣讀時間大概15分鐘吧差不多了我們進行宣讀宣讀期間各不管行政部門或我們立院同仁可以自行離席我們待會再恢復開會好請開始宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
20413.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
20419.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
第550案、114年度國防部所屬預算案政治作戰局稅入第7款 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
20421.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
20447.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
其他收入向下第88項國防部所屬第二目雜項收入其他雜項收入國軍老舊眷村改建基金不適用營地周轉金繳庫數編列預算10億元為爭域國庫收入請持續創造基金收益辦理不適用營地周轉金還款作業必有利於活化眷地提案人委員陳冠廷等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
20449.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
20470.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
第551案國家中山科學研究院承攬國防部多項工程及研究案並負責多項軍事投資建案但予發生瑕疵或進度嚴大原請國防部應要求中山科學研究院擅進專案督管之責任提案人委員陳冠廷等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
20471.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
20492.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
第552案（國軍近年軍紀事件頻傳（更有257旅爆發新兵毆打安全事關醜聞（陸軍應持續提升多元教育管道及法治教育時機（以提升官兵守法之觀念（提案委員黃仁等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
20493.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
20512.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
第553案（建議國防部與114年配合春秋祭典（八二山或古林頭追屍祭典（典禮等時機（將福建反共救國軍訓指人員納入祭祀儀程內（提案委員沈伯陽等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
20513.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
20518.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
第554案陸軍司令部辦理也營裝備採購114至116年度採購22個營級單位執行教育召集訓練所需也營催聚編列8451萬1千元案內購置數位迷彩帳篷等項請陸軍一應據 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
20539.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
20565.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
部隊所需將也迎裝具納入兵裝修訂貨建立配附基準以提升部隊作戰之韌性提案人為馬文君等人第555案114年度國防部所屬預算案陸軍司令部與第五幕一般裝備向下採購及外購軍品作業中業務費一般數費兵列605萬3千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
20568.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
20590.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
請國防部於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人第556案114年度國防部所屬預算案陸軍司令部於第8幕營建工程向下設備及投資之公共建設及設施預算編列12億2323萬9千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
20594.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
20604.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
依據預算中新資評估報告 112年底之累積預算數11億3927萬元（累積執行數4292萬元（執行率為3.77%（執行進度與國軍35項中軍事工程案理明顯落後（請國防部於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
20622.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
20644.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
第557案114年度國防部所屬預算案海軍司令部第一幕向下業務費之運費辦理軍購及外購軍品海空運輸內陸運輸及接轉作業等所需運費編列預算八千三百七十三萬八千元國軍在採購任何相關產品時運費皆內含與該項產品費用對於經費多寡海軍司令部應與檢討及書明 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
20651.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
20665.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
請國防部於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人第558案之因國軍自殺、自傷人數不斷增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
20666.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
20682.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
請國防部針對新府機制重新評估並建立合理及完善之機制與環境保障國軍心理健康請國防部於3個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
20684.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
20690.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
第559案國防部海軍司令部114年度教育訓練業務向下業務費之軍事裝備及設施編列預算7556萬元較113年度增加4996萬1千元主要為徵購對外軍事協商相關行政資源所需費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
20708.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
20715.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
因詳列實際需求項目預算編列及預化執行等內容提案人委員馬文君等人第560案 |
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20745.396 |
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潛艦國造第二階段原型艦籌建至108年度簽約執行近113年度一計劃克正執行原型艦博港測試HAT中與114年度編列5億8495萬7千元原要求國防部以安全品質為首要考量是原型艦執行海上動態測試HAT時動資提案人委員陳永康等人 |
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第561案114年度國防部所屬預算案第5目一般裝備編列海軍司令部快速部雷艇後續艇支計劃總經費18億6728000元114至116年度執行本年度編列預算7億8908萬元請國防部與三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
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20805.06 |
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第562案國防部應指導各工程主辦機關在不違反契約規範前提下依單位需求對各標案之契約管理應更具主導權請國防部研議針對未來專案管理契約範本提出修訂進行作為提案人委員林楚英等人第563案國軍清泉鋼基地防務機庫建構 |
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原訪查傷情與預算規模（無法順利遭傷（空居委員與111年度（重新修訂清泉崗基地（36座防護機庫建構（可行性評估（將機保庫數調降為24座（現已順利招標並履行施工（人員因原作戰需求規劃（補足其他防護機庫之構建（提案人委員林毅君等人（ |
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第564案（同563案之內容提案人為黃仁委員等人第565案（空軍岡山基地設施新建工程全案總經費39億4662萬4千元與113年度一施工進度爭取10億元之餘備金亦助支應 |
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20872.713 |
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空軍應依全案和訂支金額與後續年度預算書表載民檢列11元預備金額度提案人委員馬文君等人 |
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20897.461 |
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第566案憲兵指揮部所屬202指揮部負責束手總統府之委安然今年初噪聲執勤兵員智商擠稅事件且經媒體報導憲兵指揮部應針對憲兵第202指揮部束手總統府之211營優先補充兵員、體驗人委員馬文君等人第567案 |
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20923.494 |
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憲兵指揮部動員整備狀況114年教召人受教113年增加為編列預算數卻減少恐發生預算編列不足以支應之情形憲兵指揮部應規定向國防部權動署申請預算支應提案委員馬文君等人第568案 |
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20950.579 |
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114年度國防部所屬預算案自通電軍指揮部於第4幕業務費之資訊服務費辦理及控制防堵軟體授權桌上型電腦維護等經費預算編列8535萬8千元請國防部於2個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人第569案 |
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20976.689 |
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根據國防部智庫國防安全研究院之調查發現有47.5%對國軍防衛能力有信心但也有47.9%較沒有信心顯示國人對國軍防衛能力之信心略有不足政治作戰局應強化國軍與國人心中具備保衛國土之形象提案人委員黃仁等人第570案 |
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21004.712 |
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仍請軍醫局持續辦理高級外傷探查手術技術﹐ASSET課程及確定性外科創傷照護課程﹐DSTC提升國軍醫院對外科醫生手術之亮能提案人委員黃仁等人第571案權動署官網建制全民國防應變手冊專區 |
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建請權動署人需會同有關部會加強宣導同時滾動修訂內容使民眾瞭解戰爭來臨時之準備提案人委員黃仁等人第572案114年度國防部所屬預算全民防衛動員署第三目向下業務費之通訊費辦理跨部會動員業務協調等經費預算編列1713萬8千元 |
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21037.449 |
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21052.967 |
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國軍動員準備工作只基於平時應持續強化三軍常備後備部隊﹐完成各項人力、物力動員之準備﹐有效睡醒防衛作戰之任務﹐達成各項動員準備工作提案人委員黃仁等人 |
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21067.986 |
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第573案建請國防部全民防衛動員署應就較早及訓練及動員事務持續精進以提升後備部隊整體之戰力提案人委員黃仁等人 |
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21083.755 |
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第574案軍情局軍城營區訓練場域體育館整修一案請依規劃節點落實執行管制如期整修完成提案人委員黃仁等人第575案 |
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21087.307 |
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21092.993 |
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請電訊發展室針對一般資訊及資訊站設備之結訊網路資訊設備及作業系統升級案妥適規劃後續設備籌劃及作業系統之升級已達成之安您信任目標提案委員黃仁等人 |
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21105.492 |
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21134.017 |
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第576頁114年度國防部所屬預算案政治作戰局第一幕業務費之辦理國軍心理健康照護方案委託代辦心理諮商輔導所需委辦費即388萬元援請國防部持續強化心理輔導專線接聽服務以協助官兵紓解心理疑難提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
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21157.257 |
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第577案有鑒於114年為抗戰勝利﹐80週年是為予以深遠之重要時刻鑒請政治作戰局明年積極演繹籌劃﹐抗戰勝利﹐80週年及九三軍人節﹐大型音樂會及一系列之活動以表彰國軍將士、報國之氣節﹐提案委員馬文軍等人第578案114年度軍備局第4幕 |
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21184.18 |
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後勤綜合勤務中獎補助費之獎勵及慰問預算編列300萬元因依計劃核實編列預算令當年度執行期間不需致用預算建議依行政程序辦理報繳國庫提案人委員馬文君等人第579案 |
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之因國防部國軍聘僱人員休假請假規定第4條勞動部已表明違反勞基法之疑慮須以針對該項規定進行修正後續仍應保障約聘僱人員勞動條件提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
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第580案請軍醫局持續檢討各基層單位軍醫編設及人力配置需求並廣訓國軍官兵具備戰傷救護及緊急救護之技能提案人委員陳永康等人第581案 |
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114年度國防部所屬預算案軍醫局於第一幕向下人事行政編列預算30萬4千元國軍東部地區外離島高山偏遠營區及艦艇醫療支援普遍不足請軍醫局於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員林益君等人第582案 |
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21272.39 |
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請軍醫局持續加強暫時大量傷患救治以及戰傷醫療後送應處之人員訓練以達預算編列及執行之最大效益提案人委員陳永康等人 |
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21290.8 |
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第584案（請國防部（請國防醫學院比照交易部方案（對大學部致費生住宿費與114學年度起（由軍教基金給予補助（提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
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第584案花東之醫療支援長期不如西部地區國軍花蓮總醫院為第二級作戰區唯一之國軍醫院照護東部地區軍民之身心健康軍醫局更因依規劃時程持續加強對花東軍民醫療之投入包含人力及量能提案人委員沈伯陽等人 |
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第585案國防大學執行游泳教學及訓練任務請國防大學競速派員送訓取得救生員之資格至115年期改由單位所屬人員專職擔任維安救生人人力 |
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以尊節國防預算（提案委員馬文君等人第586案（請國防部確實查查入營一南是否曾與中國就學或長期生活等情勢妥適評估分發單位及從事業務並於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案委員沈伯陽等人 |
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第587案國防部應持續重視國軍人才資培育（請國防部協調教育部運用高等教育深耕計劃經費（將國防部所屬各軍校校院納入補助提案人委員陳永康等人 |
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第588案請中正裕孝、舊伙食人力、督導力度及衛生教育等方面進行檢討及改善消彌食安風險之因指確保全校施生善食安全提案人委員林楚英等人第589案請中正裕孝、舊伙食人力、督導力度及衛生教育等方面進行檢討及改善提案人委員盧美林等人第590案 |
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21405.3 |
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21428.731 |
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請中正育校就火石人力督導力度及衛生教育等方面進行檢討及改善令針對本席預算提案之回復詳實未來國軍各單位應多以此為範例提案人委員徐巧欣等人第591案114年度國防部所屬預算案參謀本部第三目教育訓練業務向下 |
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作戰綜合業務向下編列執勤人員業點費442萬元（有鑒於國軍官兵業點費至114年1月1日（請每人從60元調整為100元（原要求國防部針對爭核部分提出因應做法及說明（並於3個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告（體驗人委員馬文君等人宣讀完畢 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
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法定人數不足 |
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21593.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會主席 |
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我們主決議宣讀完畢我們慣例的處理就是請業管單位同意辦理就同意辦理按文字修正通過就按文字修正通過如果有意見就提出這個有意見我們再進行討論否則我們就快速的移動我只念暗號我只念暗號各業管自己注意我們從546案的主決議案開始 |
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同意辦理按文字修正通過兩個答案如果說我們有意見那我們就拿出來討論好不好好來主決議546案同意辦理好那個照案通過547案同意辦理照案通過548案同意辦理照案通過549案文字修正後通過同意這是陳冠廷委員文字修正有沒有意見 |
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OK好549案按文字修正後辦理通過來再來550案同意辦理好照案通過551案同意辦理552案同意辦理照案通過553案同意辦理好等一下 |
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各位委員如果你們的案子自己要看一下現在554案同意辦理照案通過555案因為這邊委員有一些文字修正按委員修正後的文字來辦理文字修正有沒有唸過 |
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馬文君委員的案子按文字修正後通過556案按文字修正後通過辦理557案按文字修正後辦理558案按文字修正後辦理 |
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五百五十九案按文字修正後辦理五百六十案同意辦理五百六十一案按文字修正後通過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
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同意辦理同意辦理同意辦理同意辦理同意辦理同意辦理同意辦理 |
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21785.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
21799.67 |
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委員修正後文字辦理按照文字修正後通過570案同意辦理照案通過571案同意辦理照案通過572案同意辦理照案通過573案同意辦理照案通過574案同意辦理照案通過575案同意辦理照案通過576案同意辦理照案通過577案 |
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21830.787 |
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同意辦理照案通過578案依委員修正後文字辦理按文字修正後通過579案按委員文字修正後辦理按文字修正後通過580案同意辦理照案通過581案依修正後文字辦理按文字修正後通過580案 |
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21833.088 |
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同意辦理照案通過589案 |
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21868.995 |
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同意辦理照案通過589590案一修正後文字辦理好按文字修正後通過591案同意辦理照案通過那我們主決議呢處理完均那接下來要處理部本部的預算來 |
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21897.426 |
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所以你們溝通的結論是什麼? |
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委員提案辦理一共兩百萬那我們就是講一下就好了就是希望美國的自己他們是希望的居民比是1比1我們現在是只要3比1就好但是現在看起來是也沒有這樣子的這個做法我們希望說現在都是有文人部長那我們能夠軍中的這種習性習俗能夠跟民間這樣子有一點碰撞的話會比較好這是我們的用意是好謝謝委員 |
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馬文君委員 |
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全案減6000萬 |
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114年度減一千兩百萬全案減六千萬但是114年度是在六千萬裡面的一千兩百萬這樣沒錯對他就一千二一千二不過這個原則是因為他現在全案是用五年計算如果他有更動那個年限你不能說我把它縮成三年結果你把這個金額放大你知道沒有我的意思是說 |
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沒有因為他在上面沒有顯示這個倒是個好方法他如果縮減才一個年度你就只少1200而已我懂他意思我意思是說他還是因為我們有個全案我們有綁一個全案好110案全案減列6000萬但114年度在這6000萬裡面減列1200萬OK好 |
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國防部本部第2案到第11案請說明 |
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第2案到第11案是政府辦公室就有關的提案進行說明其中第2案是陳冠廷委員指導博愛營區有腎漏改善的工程的議題我們經向委員的說明同意改凍結100萬元提出書面報告後使得凍支 |
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第6案跟第7案分別是馬文君還有陳冠廷委員指導水電費的議題我們也是向委員說明之後同意改列組決議因為這兩案改組決議的內容相同我們再建請委員能夠同意併案來辦理第8個案子是馬文君委員指導的資訊服務費的議題我們已經向委員說明之後同意預算照列 |
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第9案為徐曉鑫委員指導志願役邊線不足的議題我們向委員說明之後同意改列主決議其中第10個案子是馬文君委員指導資訊軟硬體的設備費的議題很感謝委員提供許多策進的建議我們刪減改為100萬元並凍結20%書面報告後 |
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你講半天為什麼沒有講到我的案啊 |
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三四五還沒報嗎 |
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第3、第4、第5第3案為黃仁委員關切本部文職人員為足而禁用之議題以向委員辦公室提供資料及說明經委員同意改列主決議3個月內提出書面報告幾個月內我們都先拿掉因為幾個月內能夠解凍是召委排審不是開會期間再來 |
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第4案為王定宇委員關切本部文職人員未足而禁用之議題以向委員辦公室提出書面資料說明今委員同意預算照列感謝委員指導我竟然同意照列好再來第5案是第5案跟各位有人報告第5案為林儲英委員就鎮豐市產產申報業務提案感謝委員的指導本案已向委員說明見請同意免予刪減 |
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同意下修為凍結一百萬（並提出書面報告後（使得凍支一百萬（我們先處理數額的部分數額大概都沒有意見那有沒有要垂詢的部分來馬文君委員這個部分是第十案就是國軍二代公文檔案管理系統建制的這個部分大概是編了900明年度是950萬950萬左右那 |
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這個部分簡略主要是因為國軍二代公文系統他從111年就已經開始編列預算那時候他是用有一家公司用288萬去標到然後去做系統開發那所以其實已經開發完了在112年執行這個系統建置的時候又編了711萬那這個也其實 |
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這個都已經是給支通電測試合格的系統那今年113又要更新軟體這一次要1400多萬950萬就是111年用比較少的金額然後去標到然後做了一個起始的一個系統 |
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然後開發完112年又建制然後113年又要更新軟體還有硬體提升的部分還有設計開發所以我們看到他每年123階段這樣一直不斷的（把經費一直增加起來所以我們要請廠商把這個軟體設定安裝也應該要交給自通電軍去測試合格 |
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因為它做出來現在還是直通電軍統管所有的部分這個部分我們希望做出來以後至少讓直通電軍去測試那另外一個就是第一代的公文系統之前大概前一個公司大概評估全軍要十幾億 |
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所以如果我們會覺得說這個好像是這個公司好像一開始他用很低的金額用兩百多萬會去綁到後面十幾億的這樣子的一個後續的全軍的一個建制的一個網路系統所以我們覺得說這樣可能會被吃得死死的那很多公文系統在這個部分他不管是在所有的 |
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我們這一次刪減是因為它的有一些注點費什麼的是不太合理可是我們凍結的部分就是針對這個部分希望可以去檢討然後也不要因為這樣因為一開始有一家廠商用很少的金額然後把你標下來結果他想要吃的是全軍的而且你前面因為你轉硬體所有的建制所有的設計開發全部都是他做的你後面的即使有其他廠商也很難再參與 |
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即使你有心說不是獨家可是好像也不容易了所以這個部分我們一定要防止這樣的事情發生所以有凍結20% |
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我來做先黃人委員再來林楚瑩委員還是林楚瑩委員先黃人委員再來徐曉欣委員我想我的第5案最重要就是我們之前有看到就是我們國防部裡頭因為人員作業程序的問題把包括連部長在內甚至於一些情報人員的有關財產申報的資料就這樣整個外洩出去 |
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所以說我當然知道政風處你的預算只有300多萬所以說有關於凍結數我不堅持但是對於你們未來怎麼樣來加強精進這個公文作業的控管的流程因為有一次就可能會有第二次那這個部分我希望你們其實要能夠據實的做一個內部的檢討因為這樣的事情實在是太離譜了好請黃委員 |
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徐曉欣委員 |
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因為我這邊寫到的是特別費所以我改組決議就好那這邊的部分我是針對這個我是針對我們近年來國軍的志願役人數逐漸降低那我們希望能夠思考這個包含是增加志願役還有這一陣子以來的自傷案件爆量的原因還有是否能夠提高薪資待遇保障我們的 |
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國軍權益還有是勞動權益的精神導入國軍的規範我們希望在這幾個部分就用主決議的方式來列好謝謝我們來處理預算數第二案凍結一百萬書面報告後使得凍支第三案改主決議第四案照案通過 |
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第5案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支第6案及第7案並按以主決議的方式來處理那請兩位委員共提再來第8案照案通過第9案改主決議第10案簡列100萬元科目自行調整 |
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凍結20%出面報告經同意後使得凍支然後你這第11案跟第10案是不是同一個分支計劃向下不一樣不一樣好我怕你會凍30%好第11案凍結10%出面報告後使得凍支好接下來處理第12案拿麥克風否則沒辦法做會議記錄 |
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12案到第13案請說明 |
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第12案及第13案分別為馬文君委員及黃仁委員針對部分新建工程及機關採購訂約及履約管理作業加強人員教育訓練的議題感謝委員的指導 |
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本案已赴委員辦公室說明（建請委員同意第12案下修凍結100萬元（是提出書面報告後（使得凍支（第13案建請同意改列為主決議（並提出書面報告（懇請委員知道來那個兩位委員對處理的預算方式沒有意見那我是不是建議這個案黃榮委員不在嗎好吧那就他已經送來了好吧那就這樣處理好來 |
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昨天到今天我們都看到很多的工程的部分發生採購上的疑義不管是專管公司也好、廠商也好其實大概都有發生很多的問題 |
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（處理．12月16日、18日及19日及19日及19日 |
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12案到第13案以黃仁委員的案子為主提案並案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍之令黃仁委員提組決議已經送過來了第14案也是改組決議黃仁委員確定了 |
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主決議處理第15案沒有15案建議各位這一頁可以留著做紀念因為大概一二十年才會遇到一次就是我們中間有委員退休那個洪森漢委員另有高就從這邊離開序號就會變空的這個很難的碰到 |
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這有點像新台幣印的瑕疵品接下來是第16案到第27案是國防院的案子來請國防院說明 |
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是委員好第16案為黃人委員關切國防院接待防兵的審查機制那經向委員說明或同意凍結50萬元提交書面報告後使得凍支17案為黃人委員的指導有關國防院對外發言應更為審慎本案已向委員說明同意改列主決議 |
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第18到22案等5案為馬文君委員陳冠廷委員陳永康委員林益君委員針對派員赴國外智庫研習教育訓練經費的分配以及國防創新小組推動進度等提出指導那一項委員說明經委員同意將18跟20案改為主決議19、21、22案盡請並案凍結提交書面報告後凍結凍結多少 |
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兩百萬二十三到二十七五案為陳冠廷委員、林益君委員、徐巧欣委員、王帝宇委員及馬文君委員關切國防院研究成果的量能以及自籌裁員的成效那這個部分建請並按凍結提交書面報告後時的凍結這個部分的數額沒有結論沒有共識嗎 |
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有共識我們就照共識我們不宜在這個協商桌上推翻共識有沒有共識那個我們希望是一千萬到馬委員說兩千請主席裁決不可被他裁決你們到底有沒有答應他兩千我們沒有答應兩千好啦聽你的啦好那這動輒兩千 |
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第18案凍結20萬書面報告後使得凍資17案改組決議18案改組決議另外既然2000的話馬文君委員你的2000萬讓我稍微分配一下可以 |
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陳冠廷委員凍結兩百萬書面報告後使得凍支陳永康委員改組決議二十案二十一案林益君委員凍結三十萬書面報告後使得凍支二十二案二十二案我們先照列我把你弄到後面一起處理二十案我們就先照列二十三案二十三案的話 |
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陳冠廷委員 這個案子我們就不處理了啦你前面有22案我們是另案動的另案動多少200他現在是併在一起動啦 |
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第二十三案的陳冠廷委員的部分你要不要一個數額還是說前面那邊就OK了 |
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這個我們前面那邊可以少一點這個一定要因為這個是我們是特別針對這個問題的好那陳冠廷委員23案凍結100萬那前面的19案凍結100萬那再來林益君委員的話也凍結100啦好不好那個林昭偉24案凍結100 |
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24案喔? |
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24案我改組決議好改組決議OK謝謝你好再來25案徐委員剛才是要一千啦但是我們還是一對阿那就動一百啦動一百齁動結一百萬然後26案動結一百萬好這樣子兩千萬餘數還有多少 |
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16案20馬文君委員凍結1500萬你算錯你們找謝其前負責你有沒有算錯我看一下我覺得怪怪的不對啦我這邊加起來就六七百了你怎麼可能不對啦你看看 |
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第27案凍結1370萬 |
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書面報告經同意後使得動之我再念一次以免遺漏第16案凍結20萬書面報告後使得動之17案改組決議18案改組決議19案凍結100萬書面報告後使得動之20案組決議21案凍結30萬書面報告後使得動之然後22案凍結200萬書面報告後使得動之 |
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23案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支24案改組決議25案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支26案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支然後1350好那就27案凍結1350萬書面報告經同意後使得凍支來馬委員請 |
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18案我們同意改成主決議可是這個預算裡面其實他有特別提到一個就是國外智庫派訓的部分那我們想要瞭解的是這個智庫是怎麼選的那這些學員 |
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他派訊回來以後他可以做什麼因為我們特別花了這樣的預算然後他如果是去做研究的那他研究的項目跟我們國軍或者跟我們整個國家安全他的科目 |
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另外還有一個就是在 |
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22案的部分那出國以後這個是另外凍結我們希望說他出國以後可以把他的心得他去看到所見到的或學習的或交流的方向把他的成果心得還有創新的這樣子的一個目標方向也可以提供比較具體的建言讓我們可以依據這個 |
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來做一個前瞻考量另外還有27案的部分因為其實到目前為止我們每年對於國防安全研究院大概增加了已經5000萬了所以現在又增加2000萬它主要是做了什麼樣的改變也希望可以提供給委員會可以知道謝謝 |
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陳冠廷委員請這個我們看國防安全研究院的這個對外公開的研究成果他數量是不斷的在遞減那我們可以想像說數量遞減可能是質量倍增但可能也不是嘛所以這個部分也麻煩國防院可以好好的來去了解是因為質量好10倍還是上電視的頻率好10倍上電視也是可以如果是可以在國際的平台上面的話替我國發聲是OK的那另外一個部分就是發表的研究報告我們是希望說多投 |
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國防部主管 |
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書面回答的時候請涵蓋所有不管是書面提案或者口頭提問的部分其實國防院的第一年的預算我印象被大砍一翼雖然現在其實是在補血當中還沒有到第一年的水位不過請國防院加油我們希望期待有更好的研究成果接下來是28案到第36案28到36案 |
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在28到36案中,第28、32、35案已經提供委員辦公室說明資料另外29、30、31、34及36案已經到委員辦公室來進行說明合計9案並案 |
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其中第28、31及32案等3案為王定雲委員及馬文軍委員關心國軍土壤及地下水污染整治的成效以及國防產業發展條例的推動成果今項委員說明之後,會委員同意預算照列 |
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另外第33案及34案兩案為林楚英委員及馬文君委員要求辦理國軍借退官兵輔導措施與附陸出境管制相關業務的預算編列應該有明確的目標以及關切列管軍品合格廠商獎勵作業 |
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執行狀況．經向委員說明．委員同意改為主決議其餘4案分別是．第29案為黃人委員提案是關切列管軍品的清單．沒有按照產業列別來進行分裂．不利廠商來查找 |
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第30案黃仁委員提案要求國防部能強化土壤及地下水污染的防治作為第35案陳冠廷委員提案關切廠商申請級別人證的意願有待提升第36案羅美琳委員提案建議列管軍品清單應該增加 |
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軍品研發品項以上4案分別以向委員說明或提供說明資料建請委員同意並按凍結100萬元提出素面報告後實地動之,懇請委員指導 |
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先詢問一下2831323個案子都同意照列是不是委員有同意嗎有齁我怎麼不知道我有同意好 那我就同意吧沒關係待會我先把預算理一下齁 |
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29、30黃人委員．部分．35、36陳冠廷委員．羅美玲委員．部分．並案凍結100．我們讓羅美玲委員．提案當主提案．凍結100萬有沒有問題．沒有．我先把預算處理完．各位要隨循來隨循28案到36案 |
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28、31、32同意照列29、30、35、36這四個案子以羅美玲委員的36案為主題案並案凍結100萬訴言報告後使得凍支33、34勒 |
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改組決議33改組決議34改組決議我們這個部分先處理完畢然後來那個剛才要詢問的羅美玲委員來OK好謝謝主席我尊重主席的這個決定那可是我還是要說明一下就是說我們國防部依照這個產發條例呢有 |
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和定公告的列管軍品的清單裡面我們112年度有提列了837項的軍品可是我們其中軍品屬性為研發品項的部分只有91項只佔了10.87%我們一直在提到說我們要國防自主所以本期希望說這研發品項可以提高再來我希望說你們可以提一個書面說明就是說我們要如何提升 |
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還有鼓勵我們的民間廠商參與軍品研發的議員這個部分以上謝謝書面答覆的時候請涵蓋委員詢問的部分沒有了嗎好 那我們現在處理來 沈博洋委員確定一下33案因為我也有一起連署剛剛處理委員是說這一個對於預期目標他希望還是有書面報告他好像沒有講主角他講說是動10%都是有跟你們溝通過 |
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33案改組決議有沒有取得委員的同意有我們都去說明的時候是有的基本上不在我們是不處理但是我們他沒有同意改組決議我們就改組決議沒關係待回來有問題我們再後續處理改組決議他其實還是會書面回答還是會回答好來37案到38案法律司的請說明 |
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召委各位委員大家好三七案是林楚雲委員的提案三十八案是黃仁委員的提案三七案林楚雲委員針對部隊的國防法務官的定位還有後續整體的規劃委員表示很關心黃仁委員在三十八案是針對國軍今年軍機事件頻傳希望我們能夠加強法治教育這兩個案子都有分別到委員辦公室去溝通也報告 |
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林淳於委員辦公室回覆我們是說同意下修凍結100萬黃榮委員的辦公室跟我們說同意下修凍結50萬然後我們提書面報告 |
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在處理之前我先請問一下法律律師我們明年因為坦白講在立法院現在的狀況下我們國防外交委員會我個人值得在這邊跟各位當同事我覺得很榮幸我們不管在法案的審查預算的處理 |
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都是委員會中心主義的進行方式而且我們在討論案子的時候幾乎沒有黨派的背景在思考問題所以我現在要問法律司事各位應該還有印象我們那時候跟司法法制聯審通過的這個軍人懲戒法以及陸海空軍懲戒法還有軍人權益保障法你們現在日出是定在1月1號嗎 |
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沒有跟委員報告我們現在都還在準備因為那個我們是希望能夠在明年的7月1號之前我們目標是定在這邊但是因為人員要訓練還有硬體軟體等等我們這一個盡快上路了有很多以前比如說我們在外面看到那個蔡媽媽的案子啊或者很多這個案子如果有這一套法制的話他會有委員 |
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獨立的委員來做處理那從懲戒權益的保障到剝奪相關的事情都有一定的程序可以依循所以這個盡快日出當然你們有準備的工作我們不用強我不用再因為我們已經立完法了日出的時間是要尊重行政單位的權責但是這個是我們國家有史以來第一次通過 |
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要懲戒軍人要依法有據軍人的權益人權的保障也依法有憑那這個是一個很大進步請進速上路好不好好那個我們37案到38案處理如下37案凍結100萬書面報告後使得凍支38案凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍支接下來處理39到46案來請說明 |
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這督察是嗎?委員好有關於39案到46案主要是工作計畫第二幕上面督察罪的分支計畫首先報告39案的部分39案部分主題案委員有馬文俊委員和陳雪生委員他對於我們這個近年來和今年度的戰機術督察包含軍事官兵的違紀違法的樣態都有指導經由辦公室經由委員辦公室充分的說明我們會在組織協調和內部控管上 |
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會加強盡力的作為委員辦公室也同意照列這個部分進行各位委員指導三九案 三九案同意照列再來 |
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有關於40到45案的部分（分別有王定宇委員（林楚瑩委員（陳冠廷委員（林金委員和黃仁委員（也針對我們督查作業（剛才的項目同三九案也做指導（那經與各辦公室委員說明（同意併案凍結100萬（進行委員指導好再來 |
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最後一個46案的部分是關於我們督察作業費近年這是馬文俊委員的提案關於我們增加的資訊系統更新的部分增加的幅度過高那有近日辦公室跟委員說明過主要是增加資安房屋的部分那建議這個凍結50萬供請委員指導來各位委員如果沒有問題的話我來處理預算的度啦好 |
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第1個39案同意照列40案、41案、42案、43案到44、45案並案凍結100萬以王定宇委員的提案為主題案那書面報告後使得凍支第46案凍結50萬書面報告後使得凍支好接下來我們來處理47到48案 |
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各位委員好47案跟48案分別為陳冠廷還有馬文君委員指導有關於國家軍事博物館的議題讓我們分別向兩位委員說明並提供完整的資料同意凍結十分之一建請委員同意第47案跟48案並按凍結五千萬元書面報告後時得動之好 那個有沒有委員要詢問來馬文君委員 |
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這個部分因為過去我們堆這個博物館裡面其實很多的設置而且把它增加的金額也非常高那另外就是它在影音室設備的部分它多媒體資訊設備都已經先規劃設計把它綠定好可是現在這些設計好像就已經是落後了 |
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委員會委員會 |
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動武謙跟委員說明一下兩位委員報告一下我們在主體工程的部分委員一直關切就是第一個進度那第二個就是他施工的品質那當然在施工的安全上面委員也是一直有指導那第二項就是兩位委員同時提到展示跟營運端的部分現在為什麼要進來因為我們面臨到就是說讓他第一個期程能夠如期的達成那我們也考慮到說整個這個 |
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你這樣講的很完美齁 |
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是應該的我們其實很多軍種像海軍有海軍的軍使館空軍有空軍的軍使館你們到時候是要把它整合進來嗎? |
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軍種的方面還是保留他們軍種的特色我舉個例子啦我們那個大概全地球最老的切比機他除役之後你是要放在我們這個軍博館裡面還是放在海軍那裡目前的話是他們都對使館那比較大的東西的話我們現在就已經有那邊在我們這個軍使館我們花那麼多錢國家級的軍博館 |
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反而你們要主動說這個是重要的里程碑我應該收納到國家級的你放在各軍種第一個沒有人去看啊他們在碼頭旁邊誰去看第二個委管他也沒有經費你們才有經費所以我是覺得你知道在那個華盛頓DC那個Museum Mall前面他一個一個的他那個軍博館裡面他就認為有價值的登錄阿波羅旗號他就收過來原件放在那裡所以你們這個應該要主動要把它彙整起來而不會像現在我們那個 |
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主席主席 |
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47案到48案以陳冠廷委員的提案為主提案並案凍結10%書面報告經同意後使得凍支各位委員我們現在要處理主決議因為有新增10來案的主決議還是要宣讀 |
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還沒有齊全我會等一下那我們先休息到3點半收集主決議齊全之後3點半先開始宣讀大概宣讀10分鐘我給他久一點你這個霸凌他念完了之後我們就來處理這個主決議那為什麼要給這個差不多3、40分鐘的時間請各軍總就第二輪我希望第二輪的案子越少越好 |
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請機密去協商公開的你們可以去協商能夠把二輪的爭議化解成為共識這個時間窗口給各位 |
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那個沈博洋委員跟那個林楚瑜委員講一下剛才去跟他查證了確實是他要凍結10%就36萬33案請醫生員更改記錄不是改組決議33案凍結10%也就36萬書面報告後使得凍支好我們休息到3點半3點半後組決議收集完成開始宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
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24211.239 |
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因為我昨天加的那些功能我都會加在榮德上面不會讓榮德再加錢比如說你說昨天講的無人機發射系統那些那些都是算在榮德上控制系統不會是算在榮德的帳篷不會再讓他多賺錢只會壓縮他的利潤所以我們可不可以不要刪那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
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那個真的太高了 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
24632.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
24633.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
你們記者豆花有給他們嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
25204.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
25204.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
25238.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
25251.299 |
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好我們3點半恢復開會請議事人員就增加主決議52之1到52之10新增10案主決議案請議事人員摘要宣讀我們開始宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
25252.472 |
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第52之一案114年度國防部預算與第一幕向下基本行政工作維持編列預算市益2242萬7千元國防部本部近年文職人員退離人數居高不下恐影響國防部運作效率允請國防部積極嚴厲對策並於三個月內向立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
25271.866 |
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25295.533 |
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外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人第52次二案國防部114年度一般行政分支計劃下下基本行政工作維持支水電費編列一億八千五百零三萬六千元114年增列兩千五百三十二萬五千元國防部仍應持續經濟管理及使用效率應針對調漲原因及節能減碳措施成效請於三個月內向立法院 |
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25300.254 |
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25324.207 |
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外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案委員陳冠廷等人第52之3案明年度國防預算再創近年新高但近年來國軍志願役人數卻逐漸降低國防部在編列高額軍事投資預算之際應妥善思考如何提升志願役編線比以維持部隊戰力並於一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告 |
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提案委員（徐曉鑫等人（第52支持案114年度國防部預算第一幕一般行政向下國防採購中業務費編列3,083萬3千元依據112年度審計部決算報告指出國防部部分接官採購訂約及履約管理作業履發生訂定契約單價與採購法規規定衛福國防部等情勢國防部以加強各單位採購人員專業職業訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
25356.79 |
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25370.087 |
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專業職能教育訓練委員要求國防部於兩個月內向立法院外交國防委員會提出書面報告提案委員黃仁等人第52支武案美國智庫卡托研究所多次公開研究報告指出我國對美軍 |
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軍購交運進度延宕（國防部（武器交運延宕（恐影響戰力（應與美國專責團隊密切協調合作（並應用各式安援及安和手段（解決自愛難題之問題（提案委員黃仁等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
25388.803 |
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25404.936 |
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第52至6案國防安全研究院為國防重要智庫專注於國家安全與國防軍事研究與分析公開發言需保持行政中立並持專業、客觀精神不涉及無關研究之其他議題提案人委員黃仁等人 |
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第52次起案國防部參考美軍資國防創新單位（成立先進國防科技小組（針對此小組設立這計畫目標預算規劃與預期成效（請國防部藉由眷權作業機制（結合國防產業發展及研究成果（ |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
25423.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
25447.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
持續與國內外國防創新機構及單位交流另事時安排向委員提供書面資料或說明最新概況及進度提案人委員陳永康等人第52之8案114年度國防部預算案與捐助國防安全研究院相關經費預算一億八千零五十五萬元要求國防部 |
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25448.479 |
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有求國防安全研究院應聚焦於關鍵議題並提出權威性政策分析每年應產出質量並重之研究成果供各界參考提案人委員林益君等人第52之9案國防部選派國軍人員赴國外智庫注點研究一年114年度則由選派學官至美英日韓等國 |
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25474.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
25486.294 |
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自庫培訓所編列教育訓練費預算用以支付學關防補助生活費及交通費反國後任職於重要政策單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
25487.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
25510.669 |
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一年辦理國際交流合作等業務以符合為用而訓之宗旨提案人委員馬文君等人第52支食案國防部與國防政策規劃以督導業務計劃相下國防支援管理分支計劃編列2850萬元用於補助列管軍品合格廠商最為研發軍品之作業所需 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
25537.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
講補助費年度預算若未支用完畢建議因依行政程序辦理報繳國庫提案人委員馬文君等人宣讀完畢好我們現在來處理主決議因為主決議大家都原則上看過問題都不大所以待會請業務主管單位就照案通過或文字修正辦理照案辦理或文字修正辦理兩個回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
25538.271 |
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25554.009 |
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主決議有自愛難行提出來我們就停下來討論處理我們從主決議第49案開始沈博洋委員提案49案依修正文字辦理49案依修正文字通過 |
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25572.298 |
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50案一修正文字辦理好按照修正文字通過51案一修正文字辦理按修正文字通過52案一修正文字辦理按修正文字通過來再來是52之一案照案辦理照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
25572.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
25573.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
按文字修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
25596.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
25616.668 |
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52之9案照案辦理照案通過在52之10案照案辦理照案通過來黃委員有意見請說針對52案的這個噪音補助的一個方案那當然感謝這個文字修正之後通過那這邊必須要表達一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
25617.549 |
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25637.407 |
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因為過去在治航基地噪音的問題使得臨近的這些居民遭受到這些噪音包含健康的問題所以那一天我們特別責成了我們的李倩琦委員包含盧憲毅委員我們三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
25639.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
25651.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
專程還有國防部陪同專程到這個自航基地然後在附近的一個部落在那邊聽起這個17個里的里長的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
25653.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
25669.549 |
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後來他們認為我們好像形成了一個一國兩制所以我今天提了這個主決議的意思就是說我們是不是一定要改成跟民航補助條款的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
25670.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
25687.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
因為過去國軍沒有在修正之下所以那個補助10年才補助個冷氣跟氣密霜所以這一次我們按照民航的補助條款特別拜託我們的國防部以上 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
25690.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
25706.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
主決議已經通過我們現在要處理的是國防部公務預算第二輪討論機密預算有第23案及第24案並案第26案及第27案並案待會我們會機密審查另外公開部分 |
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25707.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
25721.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
有國防部所屬第62案陸軍司令部第8幕這個一般建築及設備第二階營造營建工程那這個好像已經有要改組決議了另外第93案到第97案這也是公開預算的部分第160案到161案這個是公開預算部分 |
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25727.768 |
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25752.465 |
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第268案到271案遣件後續的部分所以在公開的部分進入第二輪的有四大塊那這四大塊其中有一類已經有共識了所以我們感謝各位委員我們已經盡量把有共識的處理到極致這五六百個案子我們機密預算只剩下兩大案 |
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25754.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
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公開的部分只剩三大案三大案分別是紅准列銷以及潛艦後續艦那我們待會我先真的各位同意我們待會因為其實討論很多了我們待會就直接進行處理我們就不多加討論當然如果你要表達意見本席一樣會同意那現在呢我們改進行秘密會議請議事人員清場 |
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26388.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
委員都就座了嗎?主責官員都就座了嗎?我們等一下媒體朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
26406.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
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26446.698 |
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我們開放會場現在開始處理公開部分的第二輪總共有四大類的案子分別是新安專向下的營建工程以及紅准以及列銷也就是自殺型無人機對美採購的案子以及 |
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26448.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
26450.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
海昆國造潛艦後續艦總共4個案子經由同仁取得共識 |
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26463.948 |
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26478.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
．19日及19日及20日及21日及25日及26日及27日及28日及29日及30日及31日及32日及33日及34日及35日及35日及35日及36日及36日及37日及37日及38日及39日及39日及40日及40日及39日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日及40日 |
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按照立法委員的職權責任我們在委員會中心主義的審查的概念下我們把預算一案一案把它處理到現在幾乎審查完盡而且在審查過程當中我相信不管是媒體朋友或社會各界 |
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每個案子都沒有都無關黨派都事關國家利益大家雖然看法不同都還能夠達成一定的共識所以本人身為主席召委我很榮幸跟各位在這邊當同事非常感謝各位那我們現在進行處理的第一案 |
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第62案有關陸軍司令部第8幕一般建築及設備第二階營建工程來那個葉管請說明是否達成共識準備舉報告第62案感謝林祖英委員的指導建請同意刪減改為一千萬及凍結五億元並向委員會提出書面報告後實的動之同意嗎 |
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第62案簡列一千萬科目自行調整然後凍結五億書面報告經同意後使得凍支你們達成共識這樣就處理完畢來第93案到第97案有關陸軍司令部第4幕後勤及通知業務一般彈藥購置與維護我印象這個好像是馬偉有凍結兩億的這個案子有沒有達成共識 |
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26564.1 |
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26564.44 |
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達成共識還是凍結2億 |
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| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
26597.804 |
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我們不是反對是希望能夠更好所以這個凍結案我加一個條件就是責成中科院你們的紅准二代必須達到先進的標準那標準有三樣這個到時候你們書面報告要把它列在裡面哪三樣你自己提一下拿麥克風可以做記錄 |
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26604.723 |
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26632.11 |
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一是可以室內發射第二是可以預測目標慣性倒翼那個類似NLO那種預測目標對第三個是減重你還有一個串列彈藥是好就是說這幾個指標是所謂先進的一個指標那我們期待中科院發揮能力把紅准提升到可以在密閉空間發射可以在封閉就是封閉空間發射然後串列火藥 |
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以及預測路徑還有一個是減重在這四個目標達成之後我們再同意來動之這樣的案子我們把它凍結我們期待綁一個條件希望中科院把紅准提升到這樣的能量在那之前的話我們先把紅准採購的預算予以凍結兩億那這個案子各位有沒有意見沒有的話就這樣 |
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26658.533 |
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26659.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
第160案到161案就是對美採購攻擊無人機飛彈系統那請陸軍說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
26689.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
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謝主席陸軍這邊兩點報告第一個有關於採購的291套反甲型攻擊無人機因為在整個反甲無人機的整體需求上上有很大的缺口所以陸軍積極地爭取徵購 |
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原案的列銷專案的反甲型攻擊無人機（因為是屬於一個短交期（291套可預化在114、115年分年獲得（並案徵購的我們會徵取在116年獲得（如果重啟建案（依照建案的流程所需的時間（估算要到119年才能貨裝（時間上跟並案的徵購會相差了3年（ |
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另外（如果並案徵購下（可以達到一定的批量（我們可以與美軍議約（要求降低採購的成本（爭取更有利的價格（這是第一點報告第二點（若委員會通過本案的徵購（在後續的需求上（我們會遵委員的指導（依照國際軍備的發展（將採購更新形式（以及符合防外傳需求的五選標的（懇請委員支持 |
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這個案子我這樣處理看各位同仁有沒有意見他有兩個事情要處理可能大家想法不一樣這個案子可能要表決第一個列銷這個案子可以三減列45億7960萬元 |
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保留原來我們就是合定要買的6億2430萬3000元但是我們會加一個主決議我把主決議提案請議事人員印給各位我們把這兩案子放在一起就是說 |
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剪裂剪裂然後加上一個主決議那主決議的用意是我們你的預算超過的部分我幫你剪裂下來但是為了籌貨我們國軍需要的這個自殺型無人機我們在這個額度內 |
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委員會委員長 |
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國軍都在跟時間賽跑所以如果在剪裂預算後我們給他這個合定的額度內讓他去跟美方談判可以縮減兩年左右的籌貨時間的話這個主決意就是這個意思就是在這個合定的115億內我們雖然剪裂掉他的額度了但在額度內授權陸軍去跟美方來籌貨我們希望我們這個表決不用黨派思考大家去思考怎麼樣處理對國家比較好好不好好我們第一個 |
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委員會主席 |
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謝謝昭偉對於這個部分我們有不同的意見因為第一個階段在刪減數的部分明年因為要支付給美方的費用這部分我們同意刪減剛剛昭偉提到的保留6億2430萬保留6億多元的這個部分 |
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另外第二個因為我們還是希望按照美國的發價書我們算預算編到100多億可是美國的發價書只有55億的額度的預算所以我們希望其他的可以按照我們的預算的編列我們還是希望重新起案 |
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我再說明清楚我們審查預算500多案到現在如果都達成共識的通過的我們盡量就不交黨團協商但是經由表決的案子原則上交付黨團協商本席沒有意見因為本來程序上就會這樣走我怕這個有個別委員會擔憂我先說出來就是說經由表決的案子 |
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當然你要保留送黨團協商這個是權利這也是程序所以我們現在先表決金額數 |
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有關列銷這個案子好稍微我再詢問一下就是說其中一個案子是表決您這張主決議然後第二個我才表決主決議先表決檢列檢列是馬馬委員的檢列然後再來主決議我會唸我再來去唸這個案子的案由我唸一下這個案子的正式的名稱叫什麼他不是寫列銷是寫列銷嗎不是喔我印象不是寫列銷 |
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陸軍一般裝備之攻擊無人機飛彈系統相關作業節點（攻擊無人機飛彈系統有關預算的部分（ |
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剪裂45億7960萬保留6億2430萬3000元那個主計單位看一下我這數字沒有念錯好贊成剪裂的同仁請舉手贊成剪裂的請舉手剪裂剪裂贊成剪裂 |
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27029.377 |
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反對簡列的請舉手幹議員幾票?5比5為什麼要把困難丟到我這邊來?5比4吧 |
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反對簡列請舉手 |
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27108.532 |
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我剛才講贊成啦這樣講我先問一下國防部簡列的話你們OK嗎各位同仁這個我們把它簡列啦那主決議我希望林議員主決議支持一下這個真的這個在基於財政紀律我把它簡列這個額度那陸軍認為可以執行我剛才講這個表決我就讓它簡列掉我沒有用黨派的思考我把它簡列好不好那主決議我希望大家來支持這個主因為這個主決議已經有 |
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支持的請舉手支持主決議我現在不能投 |
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反對主決議的請舉手反對主決議的請舉手大家不要反對啦 |
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27167.957 |
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反對已經過半了可以了啦贊成已經過半了不用了啦我們要提的是我們沒有反對你再去採購新的或符合我們需求的可是因為我們是按照預算的考量就是他沒有花那麼多所以我預算我支持你嘛所以因為主決議剛剛你們已經舉過了我們就不舉了來 |
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以上這一個案子非常感謝這個案子真的顯示本委員會就是委員會中心主義我們在160案到161案有關陸軍司令部一般裝備攻擊無人機飛彈系統預算 |
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簡列45億7960萬元保留6億2430萬3千元令通過主決議同意陸軍列銷專案在行政院合併預算額度內115億3640萬4千元 |
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向每洽談反裝甲型無人機徵購事宜借籌購踢量規模爭取更有利價格快速貨裝提升戰力所需預算於後續年度何時編列好我們這兩個案子這樣來處理好謝謝各位接下來第4案 |
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第4案是有關海軍司令部一般專備潛艦國造第三階段後續艦籌建的預算19億9600萬5000元我們充分的表達也溝通了那無法達成共識來曲曉欣委員 |
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在這裡跟昭緯做一個建議就是說像剛才我們用其實因為在昨天每一位委員都已經充分發表了自己的看法但是在我們在這個目前的案子上面因為我們都只會寫說凍結刪減多少那並不會有像國防部的立場說沒有凍結也沒有刪減的所以我在想說如果我們要因為沒有共識要進到表決是不是請我們的昭緯另立一個案子 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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我們待會就這個準博與否來進行表決當然表決案後要進行政黨協商那是權利我待會會講來我們把這個案子印給各位分段簽約不要分段簽約這樣子你決定啊我不喜歡決定 |
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我可能要回去被停權兩個月不准進黨團 |
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按由建於原形件 |
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尚未實施海策考量敵情及強化國軍海上防衛量能以其籌建潛艦國造政策得以維持以建構不對稱作戰能力規劃首年度瓜湖114年度瓜湖編列潛艦國造第三階段後續艦籌建支19億9600萬5000元要求國防部嚴格把關並審慎依驗測其成 |
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4.原型艦通過海上動態測試後動之以確保守護裝備符合台海防衛作戰需求同意編列這樣的預算但要求你要海測過後才能去動之這個案子我們來進行表決來贊成的請舉手 |
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反對的請舉手 |
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反對5票好來謝謝各位那本席贊成把預算保留那這個這個組決議案照案通過那因為這有經過表決我再跟場上的同仁再確認一次我們沒有經過表決的案子好不容易大家一點一滴這樣討論到這裡那刪減動數其實也蠻尊重委員的意見原則上那個部分我們就不交由政黨協商 |
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但是經有表決的案子我們同意送政黨協商所以張偉我們可不可以再把我們要送政黨協商的兩案再重新敘述一遍 |
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我現在宣讀大家仔細聽114年度中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分（不含國家安全局部分（業已審查完均送請財政委員會會長後提報院會 |
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請問各位聽清楚請問除160案到161案有關陸軍司令部一般裝備攻擊無人機飛彈系統及268案到271案有關海軍司令部一般裝備潛艦國造第三階段後續艦籌建除這兩案外 |
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其餘不須交由黨團協商各位委員是否同意同意我拜託民眾黨委員跟國民黨委員回去跟黨團幹部講就這個兩案其他案子不要再黨團協商了大家花很多時間討論了沒有切開的但是就這兩個案需要協商其他不用協商 |
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我們這樣才是啦 看他們怎麼處理啦他們其實黨團協商他還是可以抽出啦你不管怎麼才是 他們都還是可以抽出協商啦我們這樣寫啦 拜託一下 這個委員的共識我們剛才160案、161案 簡略的要科目自行調整喔 不要忘記喔 |
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願會審議時請推敗一位委員做補充說明請推敗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
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本次預算審查如有預算科目、物質或金額調整授權議事人員處理12月16、18、19日為三天一次會 |
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27674.861 |
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我們國防外交委員會算立法院八個委員會的典範了我們今天現在散會 |
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主席 |
| IVOD_ID |
16394 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16394 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-22 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-19T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-19T16:12:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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