| IVOD_ID |
16392 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16392 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-19T08:31:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-19T12:48:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:16:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd19061065897f096c95ae6d70765f091178081dad70f87c46f3791e0366a24e325ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部民用航空局單位預算。
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─民航事業作業基金分預算。
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管桃園國際機場股份有限公司營業預算。
(均詢答完畢，進行處理)【12月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:31:45 - 12:48:00 |
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民航局何淑萍局長民航局主計事林珍玉主任桃園國際機場股配有限公司楊慧芙董事長以及我們這個會計處黃季賢代理處長 |
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補充介紹何新淳委員同時請議事人員宣讀預算數及委員提案 |
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中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案交通部民用航空局稅務來源別預算數第二款罰款及賠償收入第145項民用航空局1288萬3000元好的,待會我們審議的順序第一個是民航局的單位預算第二個會6000元 |
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第二個呢?第二個民航事業作業基金、民航基金接下來最後一個是國際機場五本有限公司請各位把資料準備一下補充介紹林國成委員、黃建豪委員 |
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交通部主管民用航空局稅出幾萬幣預算數第14塊好那個整理的表大家都拿到嘛齁要先從這個整理的表齁匯省的建議併案及預算表我們就按這個順序就這一張嗎這個是民航局的齁民航局的 |
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好請各位先看到民航局114年度單位預算建議併案及預算這一張的A4的表我們就按這個順序來進行審議審查114年度中央政府總預算都看到資料一到三案 |
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稅務行政規費的收入要有些細項請參閱提案委員有三位要不要發表意見林國城委員還是林委員來林委員是第二案第三案說明一下 |
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我想這個增加的部分我再想這個有時候這個業務的增加那審查會其實現在數量增加但是預算沒有增加所以本期特別針對第二案第三案這個部分特別來增加所以像案 |
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主管機關、民航局看看他們有什麼看法。好的,我們針對委員這三個提案,主要是針對一百萬到兩百萬,項目不太一樣,我們是不是請 |
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交通部還是民航局來說明?各委員報告,確實有誠如剛剛林委員所敘的,就是說三位委員所提的因為我們無人機管理規則是今年的113年的12月1號開始實施所以在這個期間我們編列預算的時候並沒有估到這個規費調漲的部分所以這部分我們就遵照辦理 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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2326.923 |
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維持預算組合領獲90,000元,凍結10%。 |
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2337.679 |
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2339.3 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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好,如果沒問題我們繼續處理4到10案一樣併案處理那最初第一幕一般行政那大家針對不同的這個細項有提出不同的意見兩天委員說明有沒有補充說明的還是請那個民航局,民航局針對 |
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委員們的一個提案包括凍結的這個部分你先做一個說明有關那個何偉有提到的這個國籍航空公司的這個制服要有褲裝的部分那這個部分我們會來配合辦理然後國籍業者大概在明年中他們就陸續會有出來有的現在已經開始了那最晚大概明年中會有各家業者不同 |
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再來是有關這個蔡委員所提的就是包含後面幾個委員我是不是可以說明就是有關人力的部分第7案、第8案徐委員、盧委員還有游浩委員 |
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第11屆第2會期交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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2453.039 |
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基金分預算案附屬單位預算 |
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部屬機關的部分那另外管制員的部分因為我們的請徵人力是從110年那因為他要配合那個組織條例所以我們開始在做訓練要透過考試院這一邊所以逐年是每年33人所以他的進程是差不多已經進步了88個人到目前為止那這部分有關委員所提示的包含就是說要提出一個具體完整的規劃的部分我們都會來配合辦理 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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2528.862 |
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國際非安監理評鑑會將非安檢查的人力項目列為首要項目。非安和監理人力在民航局組織中非常重要。 |
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2552.351 |
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基金分預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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2568.541 |
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2569.542 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
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2590.866 |
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2609.113 |
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陳樹葉委員的說明何信聰委員同樣大家都關心飛安我的提案也是從飛行安全的最高最上位的要求國籍航空公司對於女性空服員的限制 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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2652.313 |
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但是我認為還必須要更有效率的趕快的來進行第二個我也希望這個時程可以趕快的確認你說今年、明年那時程是不是可以再詳細的給我一份書面資料所以我在這裡還是要求我們民航局可以跟我們交通委員會提出書面報告後那我們是不是著動 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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2700.983 |
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這個第四到十案整隊主要是針對於稅出一般行政的一個部分總金額是五億零八百六十五萬八千元那委員大概提的都是凍結數目不一解凍的方式也有不太一樣的部分那這樣的是不是剛剛你也說明還要補充說明嗎該說的也說了嚴禁於此我懂好那我們凍結的部分最多是20%那 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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離居建委簇面報告簇面報告簇面報告簇面報告簇面報告簇面報告 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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不是啦,我們15%你們願意還要協商嘛,對不對。國政委員,我覺得這大概,因為我是沒有提案啦,因為一般行政我較為尊重,但是我看有這麼多委員提案,應該主席已經才15%就15%啦。 |
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民航局提書面報告後使得動之。各位有沒有其他意見? |
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沒有其他我們繼續往下面去審理接下來第二幕是第11到第26案請大家參閱主要是針對空運的管理的業務提案的委員李坤澤委員請說明謝謝張偉我第19案就是說有關於空運管理業務它的編列預算是1519萬 |
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那他辦理的業務當然是包括無人機檢測等等那我看這個民航局的資訊111年到113年的11月中旬遙控無人機未經申請在機場四周活動 |
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自然影響這個航機的起降總共有27件那我認為民航局應該要加強無人機的安全管理以及宣導那我建議是凍結預算100萬那一個月內提書面報告後解凍好 謝謝林委員接下來請林俊憲委員感謝主席本席提議第16案是關於我們空運管理業務編有1519萬 |
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空運管理裏面有包含航空保安還有危險物品外站查核根據媒體報導就有某民用航空公司他多次沒有按照我們道路交通安全條例申請臨時通行證 |
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外面的車輛不可以隨便進入機場管制區要申請臨時通行證結果這家航空公司派出的車子他多次沒有申請而且他進到裡面是去提領航空用油那航空用油這屬於危險物品不可以隨便裝載用的是小貨車 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
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2964.355 |
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所以如果在航空站內不小心發生事故會嚴重影響飛航安全那長期以來民航局怎麼可以放任業者違規進出航站而且也沒有依照安全裝載品來載運航空用油來予以懲罰或者是制止 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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3007.939 |
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3010.48 |
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兩、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
3033.524 |
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謝謝主席不好意思我這裡再重申一次本期提的是第11案那就是針對民用航空局在明年度預算在空運管理業務向下編列了1519萬8千元主要就是辦理其中一項就是有關這個航空保安與危險物品外站查核及召開督導會議 |
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交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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3076.8 |
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3080.765 |
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非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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徐副國委提出第二十案跟二十一案那二十案的部分是針對空運管理業務編列1519萬8千元這個案子我想今年我們的國人暨產業蓬勃發展 |
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3136.768 |
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那注冊的這個總數已經有4萬多架那合格的操作的操作證也有將近2萬張但是因為我們無人機相關的配套規劃顯然不足以無人機考試來講目前中南部只有一個雲林湖有一個定義機的考場那我們南部的考生必須跑到雲林去考試相當的不方便那屏東目前有規劃築填了一個無人機的飛行場 |
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那我們要求民航局應該積極來協調能夠整建這樣的一個非營場讓我們一個無人機的考照可以常態化那也可以拓展我們一個無人機的一個產業發展那另外針對無人機的這個農作的規範並不符合農比實際上的需求而且容易造成這個有法人身份容易造成跟周邊的一個有機戶跟住戶的一個衝突 |
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3160.585 |
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3188.699 |
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那我們也要求民航局應該妥善的輔導並研議放寬配套解決這個農耕高齡化跟人力不足所以我要求要凍結這個預算數的一趴那在二十億案的部分一樣是空運管理業務的這個案子編列了15198000元我想我們還是要求民航局針對這個恆春機場這個包機的部分尤其這個對於屏東的觀光發展是非常非常重要的一個一個航站那我們 |
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3190.44 |
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3211.937 |
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從這個疫情之後那當然我民航局做這部分我們還要求積極推動跟國外的一個合作的一個包機航線的一個研議那並爭取我們國外到這個恆春的一個包機的航線那希望也可以跟國內的航空公司共同來開發這個航點那本期也要求要提案凍結這個預算數的1%請民航局針對屏東的一個國外包機的航線開發予以作為處理謝謝 |
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3217.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3232.638 |
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好 謝謝接下來何信聰委員補充說明好 謝謝喔 謝謝趙偉那本席提的是18案喔那還是在關心我們台中的清泉崗國際機場喔那尤其那個發展跟這個時程喔第一個要盡量提早喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
3233.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3260.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那之前也跟部長還有局長都有討論過希望能夠真正來推動第二個就是在於航班、航點、航線的問題很高興的也謝謝大家的努力在這個年底之前看到好像航線有增加、航班有增加那希望能夠繼續努力因為我們期待中部地區的這個可以飛往各國際城市的這個飛行航線越來越多、航班越來越多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3263.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
兩、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3283.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3299.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那是不是可以在台中我們尋找適當的地點再增加考照的一個場所那可以讓有需要的民眾可以就近我覺得不要浪費那麼多時間在交通上面好不好好謝謝 |
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3301.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3318.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
好,謝謝何委員。接下來林國成委員,歡迎。我想這個剛剛跟大家報告過了也是我提第二案、第三案這個部分也就是無人機的業務認證是人數越來越多但是他在這裡編列的預算113年跟114年 |
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3321.374 |
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3342.25 |
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反而業務越多然後它的編列預算越來越少所以因而剛剛我提出第二案第三案主要是把它拉高的原因在這裡但是在這裡我是主張凍結百分之三十那百分之三十這個部分當然這個牽涉到專案報告或書面報告 |
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3344.231 |
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主要就是因為業務跟整個收入跟整個作為要把它連貫性所以本席提出這12案至於凍結金額或者要專案報告或書院報告等一下聽聽大家各位委員跟主席的裁定為主 |
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3363.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3390.347 |
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好謝謝林委員我們蔡委員好謝謝主席齁這個無人機的問題齁大家無論是凍結啦主決議我想都很關心啦那其實主要根結在於說這個無人機啊我們從經濟部的產業面啊我們其實從民用一直到農用一直到軍用 |
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3391.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3415.65 |
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國家都列為重點發展的產業那你從實際登記的數字來看你可以看到這個大家無論是考照啦或者是做相關的這些認證登記數量越來越龐大但是我一直覺得說為什麼這個我也提了凍結就我覺得部裡面速度可能要加快啦 |
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3416.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3434.851 |
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包括你看最重要的就其他的部分當然包括影響影響這個住戶啦等等這些就不講你對這個航空的安全特別在民用機場附近我們到今天沒有辦法綠定遙控無人機的這個射頻的識別規範 |
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3438.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3452.269 |
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這個其實是我比較在意的,到底當時才可以把這個規範做好因為這個涉及到飛行的安全嘛所以這個更是重中之重所以一邊我們政府在推動無人機產業 |
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3453.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3477.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
民眾也不斷的在考照啊等等登記考照等等但我們的規範卻遠遠來不及這個就是我覺得這個在政策上面兩邊沒有把它搭配好很重要的原因所以凍結不是重點啦凍結不是重點那書面報告也不是重點重點關鍵在於就是說希望透過一個凍結來提醒 |
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3479.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3498.71 |
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交通部：立法院對這件事情的重視跟關注。好,謝謝。好,謝謝蔡委員。大家對於空運管理業務都非常的關心。那我個人也有提三案,待會我們民航局統一來跟委員不同的意見來做回應。那第一個最主要的第13案, |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
3501.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3520.412 |
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主要是因為可能前兩年颱風的次數清台比較少一點那在今年可以連續幾次我們看到了這個航空業非安不管是簽派決策可不可以落地我們覺得是真的是有一點問題也造成了蠻多的航班 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3521.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3524.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3542.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3561.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3561.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3563.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3578.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3580.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3598.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3617.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
國外的旅費,國外旅費的一個部分,中間去年是23.4萬,今年編了171.4萬,增加了6.3倍。我覺得這個增加的幅度,如果沒有具體的說明,我都覺得應該,我這邊提的是三節50%,凍結20%。 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3620.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3626.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
好,那以上是我的說明。民航局來回應。好,謝謝委員。那我首先有關蔡委員所說的這個無人機宣導的部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3637.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3661.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
這個部分我們會來加強因為確實要讓周遭的民眾能夠了解整個無人機不可以在機場四周的部分這部分我們會來配合然後再來是有關這個林委員所提到的就是有關這個危險物品就是這個普通航空業運載危險物品的部分那這部分我們也會跟這個公路局這邊來間接就是說雖然我們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3665.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3688.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
車輛跟這個不多那可是這個部分的他們的掌握還有包含他在路線上運行的時候應該取有這個公路總局合法的這個危險載運危險物品的臨時的證照這一整個管理我們會再從內部的一些包含對他的集合會做一個全面的一個檢視包含就是針對所有的這個普通航空業的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3689.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3692.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
3707.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3726.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
李崑澤委員提到無人機艦數113到現在是27艦確實這個部分也是對因為我們整個對機場無人機對機場的影響就是要避免影響在空機避免造成delay所以這個也是宣導的部分我們會來加強作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3728.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3747.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
另外還有有關河委員剛剛有提到考照的部分就是有關無人機在這個中部的地區還有徐委員有提到在這個屏東竹田的一個擴建這個部分我們都會再來協助然後看看考照考場的部分如何來經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3748.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3775.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
那再來是這個林委員林國成林委員有提到這個無人機就是跟剛剛爪偉這邊提到的有關無人機的教育訓練跟國外旅費的部分我做一個說明就是說有關這個委辦費用的減少主要就是說我們希望在局裡面因為無人機的形式非常多種有固定 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
3775.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3776.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
基金分預算基金分預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
3796.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3799.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
主管交通部主管交通部主管交通 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
3818.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3818.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
教育訓練基金分預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
3846.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3866.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
這個部分然後剛剛蔡委員提到的remote ID的部分我也做個補充說明其實這個從我們無人機立法開始就有確實就是有列在法裡面這個社評識別我們因為我們這幾年也跟其他國家在聯繫那美國也是發展到現在在今年的這個3月份他們送到國會又被國會退回 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3867.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3872.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
3897.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3911.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
上面所提的部分是不是有關這個部分我是希望各位委員可以來支持民航局因為無人機確實是新興的業務在以往其實是從109年以後慢慢去建構這個量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
3912.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3939.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3941.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3966.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
邱局長邱局長哪個項目跟你有關啊一直想讓你講點話啊這渦輪機的安全跟你有沒有關啊渦輪機安全的部分是我們協助民航局這邊來做取締的工作其他的我們是附屬單位預算跟我們有關的幾個項目是好好那我們現在剛剛民航局也說明了齁來李昆哲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
3967.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3980.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
普通說明謝謝趙偉民航局一向是經費本來就不是很充裕單位也不是很大所以他們相關的經費是都比較紮實而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3983.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3986.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
4009.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
4013.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
4039.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
4057.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
更進一步的取得相關的這種資訊那我們看到歐美現在有關於這種無人機的檢驗規範越來越複雜我們相關的飛控、通訊、導航等等的軟體那硬體及空中的交通系統它的專業訓練也越來越專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
4060.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
4082.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
所以這個民航局我記得也都有派訓練的人員我建議這個我們相關的這個國際會議的費用以及專業訓練的費用請大家就不要去刪除因為經費也不多啦也不多我們都已經跟不上國際的發展趨勢了向各位報告謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
4084.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
4108.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
許智傑委員謝謝主席 其實我們當然昆哲委員講的我們會支持不過我想那個還要再提醒一下民航局因為無人機去年好像就十幾次十幾次影響了那個飛航的航班這樣影響飛航的航班今天假設啦這是敵機要來刺探軍情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
4109.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4121.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那是連一件事也有可能造成我們的非安之外還有國安問題所以就是說今天包括非安包括國安其實無人機能夠進來我是覺得這個我們的那個防護網不夠嚴密 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
4127.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4155.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
所以還是希望說當然交通部的經費我們會支持就是說給經費就是要求這個部分要做好嘛因為這個部分真的是做得我真的是有點擔心做得講實話真的不夠好所以這一部分我希望說能夠交通部民航局這一部分能夠改善不要再有防堵怎麼樣防堵讓無人機侵入我們的那個非航的領域這個其實非常的重要一定要把它做得更扎實 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
4156.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
4176.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
好謝謝許委員接下來有請陳雪村委員發言我跟你講無人機啊、教育訓練也好、出國的禮費啊、剛才跟著委員跟製作委員不說明很久還有我們過程委員啊我想我們給他支持好不好我想不用刪錢了好不好各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
4178.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4180.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
4209.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4235.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
麻煩不要亂寫每次亂寫出來最後面都會到國際大新聞好不好馬上被人出國報告回來因為我們會看好不好好 這個各位委員主要的意見都已經表達完畢了那我想這邊嘗試的合併整合來處理一下再徵求各位委員的意見首先我們第18案核心總委員剛剛同意改主決議主決議齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
4238.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4249.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
其他個案的部分主要都是凍結除了教育訓練國外的旅費的部分我這邊有提刪減先處理刪減後面處理凍結比較有意義這個刪減的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
4255.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4275.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
但是我還是不清楚齁我剛剛講的是你有國外旅費很清楚吧他編到對的位置但是成長了很多倍23.4萬變成了這個171萬是這樣到底為什麼要成長這麼多倍第二個呢你在教育訓練費裡面又跟我們說除了出國費171萬以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
4278.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
4295.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
另外這個84萬呢也有78.1萬是出國訓練出國教育訓練的費用出國國外進修的費用就是是就是這個這些人是國外進修那國外禮費就是這些人是去玩他的分別是怎麼樣怎麼回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
4297.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
4325.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
那跟委員報告這兩筆費用確實不一樣原本我們在單位預算裡面是只有編一筆23萬的出國那個是原本就是給保安運用的保安就是我們那個航空保安的部分那在無人機的部分我們是加了220萬那就像剛剛委員講的我們有四個會議就是會議就是它等於是美國跟歐盟還有亞洲地區他們如果辦這個無人機的這個年會 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
4326.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
4327.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
4341.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
4366.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
因為開會才能去跟各國的直接面對的溝通所以在這個部分編了四個會議那訓練是不同的訓練是要報名課程是要拿就是說他會有課程那課程的費用這個是國外的訓因為國內也不會有這個訓練所以這個部分三個課程就是剛剛講的就是一個是硬體的一個軟體的一個是空中管理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
4366.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
4393.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那這個是要報名一人一次然後出國訓練這兩個是不同的形式所以是還是非常希望委員可以支持因為畢竟這個專家我們國內有專家可是這個全球的發展真的太快了而且無人機的形式真的樣態太多所以這個其實如果說可以去參加會議比較快速取得其他國家的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
4396.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
4397.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
4424.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
4449.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
凍結10%凍結10%凍結10%凍結10%凍結10% |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
4449.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
4466.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
要書面報告或專案報告這個我要尊重你因為大家都關心所以我剛才提案的東西你沒有講到你沒有講到所以特別提醒你完整的書面報告林國城委員辦公室你們像國城委員專案報告一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
4475.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
4479.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
4502.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
4522.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
好我再次這個嘗試做結議好看他有沒有其他的意見第二幕空運管理業務我們整個整體凍結10%等我們向交通委員會民航局向交通委員會提出書面報告使得動之 |
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可以嗎?好但是我提醒一下今天委員雖然都是在這個幕下其實很多方向有些是無人機有些是大的飛機有些是這個你不要你每一個報告要回應到每一個委員喔千萬不要漏掉好不好部長稍微管制一下 |
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好那針對於第二幕我們就向剛剛的決議處理後面還有嗎?好那接下來我們處理第27案到45案就是決議案的部分主決議的部分請大家翻到第二期 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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4592 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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立法院交委會這邊來報告那用書面報告的方式那我們建議是說因為這個資訊我們其實會公佈在我們的局的網頁裡面無人機的專區裡面供各種民眾查詢所以我們建議文字在後面做一個修正就是要求交通部民航局定期於民航局局網首頁無人機專區中更新檢驗執行資訊 |
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第三十二案 |
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三十二案這邊我們建議改書面就是提出改善規劃加個書面報告書面加書面兩個字李昆哲委員你的案有問題要修幾個字好同意我就同意他提出改善規劃報告調整委提出改善規劃的書面報告 |
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第三十二案修正文字後通過第三十三案照案通過第三十四案也遵照辦理 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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就是說你們的整理規劃裡面我想不能只有民航局自己在想辦法我想今天部長也在喔這樣當然說怎麼樣的去接駁讓交通更方便可能是用這種shuttle bus等等因為目前還沒有捷運的狀況下面嘛是不是把整個這個機場的這個旅客他能夠輕鬆的運輸到台中或是周邊的各個景點讓旅客他願意透過台中機場作為他這個來台灣的考量之一 |
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台灣的這些中部的旅客他也願意把台中國際機場視為他出國的這個途徑之一這樣子你才辦法去擴張不然你去要求大家來這邊開航班但是沒有人來做那久了他又收掉所以我覺得這兩天是互惠因果就是你航班要增加但同時要讓所有人能夠可達性、易達性能夠提高這個是我除了民航局提出來之外我也希望部長在這邊也一起把這個事情來討論出來以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃建豪委員那我們針對23、4案是徵照辦理嗎好 那我們就照案通過第35案徵照辦理好 35案照案通過第36案 |
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三十六案我們建議就是在最後一行提出專案報告改成提出書面報告提出書面報告提出書面報告提出書面報告提出書面報告提出書面報告提出書面報告 |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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第三十六案照案通過第三十七案 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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修正文之後通過。第38案 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員 |
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三、發案這一邊我們是建議做文字修正就是說有關這個每三個月書面的這個部分建議刪除這樣子就是我們就會提出這個人力增補案的解決方案進度提出書面報告向交我會提出書面報告 |
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好,那修正部分林國臣委員有沒有其他意見?就是期間不要壓而已啊?6、2、1、3、7、0、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1、2、1 |
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三十九案照案通過四十案四十案我們建議文字修正就是建議文字修正為進行可行性評估以妥善規劃人員禁用的時程跟相關事宜然後請民航局三個月內提出書面報告報告召委陳書岳委員去開記者會他有交代就同意民航局所提出的修正文字好 |
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第40案修正文字後通過拜託今天提案委員同意的修正文字要送過來啦不然我們說真的沒修半天講了因為差一個字有時候差很多好不好這個部分拜託部長就是陸續幾個單位下個禮拜都要審了這個部分就是有請委員簽個名然後文字呢提前 |
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讓我們知道一下,不然我們也不知道在唸什麼,他們記錄很難搞。好,接下來處理第41案。來,遵照辦理。好,41案,照案通過。第42案。遵照辦理。 |
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第四十四案照案通過第四十三案遵照辦理第四十四案遵照辦理四十四案遵照辦理四十四案照案通過 |
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四十五案這邊四十五案因為這邊我們是建議文字修正因為有關無人機國產化是應該是經濟部門經濟部的主政那我們可以來配合所以我們建議在這個請交通部民航局與我們建議一個月改成三個月內洽經濟部然後後面就是提出專案改成書面 |
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改書面改書面好,那就按照你們的意思修正文之後通過好,我們民航局的預算審議告一段落接下來請各位打開民航基金 |
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六、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。68、要求統計公司針對自身財務狀況進行檢討提出書面報告。第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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各位都準備好了嗎?首先我們看到交通部民航事業作業基金114年度附屬單位預算建議併案及預算表我們依這個表的順序來進行預算的審查 |
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5240.695 |
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首先第一案第一案主要針對於勞務的收入啊 服務的收入主要希望你們這個收入能夠多一點它這個部分是我個人的提案因為我們認為說在以後各機場空運量恢復了而且恢復的速度其實蠻快的我覺得有一些收入的部分應該更有這個企圖心的去增加所以我針對於這個服務的收入 |
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勞務收入降價的服務收入增列20%民航局說明有關這個服務的部分民航局在編列的時候這其中包含的主要四個部分第一個是那個過境服務費大概就我們從我們編了24億比113年大概加了7.35億那場戰的降落費我們編了大概19億那增加了大概4.2億 |
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基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算 |
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所以基本上其實我們已經大幅增加已經把自己提上來所以有關委員建議的部分我們是不是建議增加3000萬這樣我們來努力再把它增加因為其實整體來講已經我們是用108年的同期的水準好針對第一案喔這樣子啦折衷一下啦就是增編5000萬好不好增加5000萬好謝謝委員 |
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第一案勞務收入向下的服務收入增列五千萬 |
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好沒有問題我們接續處理第二案勞務成本航警局的部分我們李克哲委員提案好謝謝昭偉那有關於航警局的預算114年度大概是編列了39億6272萬 |
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行情局當然他最重要的工作當然是維護相關的這個機場區域的安全秩序那相關的管制事項這一些我看到我們那個113年就是11月25號我國棒球員世界棒球十二強賽奪冠回來那現在這個會長就坐在我前面 |
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那發生了這種機場業者上市拉布條等等的這種混亂的狀況要跟副總統合照甚至把球員都擠開了這個航警局管理我認為是有疏漏啦這個應該要嚴加檢討那我原本是提案凍結1億啦那 |
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有來做說明之後我同意改動解一千萬那一個月內提出書面報告後解凍。好謝謝李委員。黃警局說明我們尊重委員的意見謝謝委員支持 |
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因為當天的狀況是在管制區內那基本上管制區內是相對安全的一個狀態 |
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5471.621 |
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當天我們因為副總統有臨時變更原來只是接機完之後再開記者會中間的這一段副總統並沒有要隨他們一起走但是後來臨時決定說副總統要跟著他們所以我們把人成立臨時一個調動所以在那個狀況之下可能在同仁這個在管制上有疏漏所以造成這個機場的業者能夠有機會進到這個副總統的身邊 |
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5487.907 |
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所以這個部分我們後續我們會加強來這個檢討之後未來在相關的管制部分我們會加強警力的措施。有沒有程序? |
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5501.631 |
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呃,不然他一下子降下來降下來一千萬,我們李昭惠這個降下來之後以後我們怎麼 |
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5522.452 |
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韓警局的相關預算他最重要的工作就是維護機場的整體的安全這些秩序的維護跟管理那我們提出這樣一個凍結一例經過這個韓警局有親自來做說明那我認為說有相關的這個檢討以及對日後的這種相關狀況的防範 |
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5527.675 |
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5547.293 |
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所以我就同意一億降為一千萬最主要的是不容許再有這樣的事情發生並且提出經濟相關的秩序維護管理的這種作為並且在一個月內提出說明報告我想這樣就是我以上簡單的說明 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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5597.826 |
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那你們罰是用道交條例罰得比較便宜還是在機場場域你當然要罰比較重一點是完全沒辦法解決是不是這個跟委員報告事實上我們對這些攬客的黃牛我們都有掌握到對象而且列冊所以同仁只要發現這個黃牛在裡面活動我們都會做驅趕的動作但是現在問題就是說這些黃牛他基本上他本身都是脫產的你開了再多的罰單對他來講他不痛不癢 |
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5612.592 |
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所以變成說未來可能還是要是不是可以請我們行政局的部分能夠做強制執行可能效果會比較好一點好我們進行第二段預算處理勞務成本行警局的部分總預算39億6272萬5千元齁這個凍結凍結一千萬請行警局提書面報告 |
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5643.981 |
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後使得通知。好,各位有沒有其他意見?好,沒有意見。接續處理第3到4案勞務成本用人費用的部分。有兩位委員提案。有沒有要補充說明?來,郭總委員。 |
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我想在這個部分啊特別從113年增累預算1億多然後114年那這個部分我們發現到用人的人事會的部分他是短缺的那我不曉得現在是業務收編或者對於員工的刻薄所以在這個部分我們發現到預算增累1億多 |
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但是為什麼員工這個部分會減少所以我們還是蠻希望在這個部分先行凍結看看他們有什麼改進方向所以在這個第三案的部分本席主張凍結百分之三十好民航局說明 |
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謝謝林委員的意見那今午我們再仔細把這個預算再把它查清楚其實主要是因為我們有一個加班費它減少的向下有一個叫那個未休假的加班費 |
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那那個部分主要就是因為我們有一些人員離退了然後離退了以後用新的人員進來那他的不休假的我們所謂的不休假獎金不休假的日數比較少因為新進人員大概是7天那年資比較深的大概也可以到28天到30所以這個部分才會說變成預算來往下調整大概是這個原因那我們是建議是不是這個部分因為如果凍結30%我們建議凍結3000萬 |
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然後我們向立法院交通委員會提出書面報告提書面報告後使得動之 |
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各位委員有沒有其他意見沒有意見那接續處理第五到七案服務費用向下的水電費四位委員提案 |
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李坤澤委員簡單說明一下那114年度的水電我們來看113年的預算是增加5285萬那比起112年的決算增加了4684萬那考量是因為當然是國境開放以及相關的電價調整水電費用支出是有增加的這個需要但是還是要 |
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來做結約能源,而且要提出具體的做法。等一下請科技長簡單說明一下。好。 |
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那我的部分也是跟這個昆澤委員我們的想法一樣啦因為你增加5000多萬啦比前一年多了將近18%啦18%喔那一般因為我們政府不斷的宣導不管是經濟部啦齁甚至行政院院級各個單位甚至有些不該開冷氣的啊或怎麼樣不斷的宣導要節能啦齁那我們這邊你說我都不用去做我們就是 |
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大幅增加,坦白講民眾有些剝奪感,我的感覺是這樣。所以我這邊的提案是三減,就跟去年一樣,三減五千兩百八十五萬餘元,這是我個人建議。好那民航局說明。 |
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謝謝委員我想有關這個水電費的部分主要原因就是我們114年在編列的時候其實已經沒有來得及反映113年的這個調漲就是112年的時候4月份有調漲大概17%然後今年又兩次4月跟10月分別調漲12%跟12.5那這個都是沒有那邊在我們114年預算 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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5941.52 |
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那至於有關節能的部分這個局因為這個是16我們十幾個航空站16個機場然後包含我們的飛航服務總台還有航警局所有的水電費所以建議這個部分是不是我們可以就是動資一千萬然後向立法院交通委員會提出書面報告動節一千萬 |
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好 民航你又說明啊那我的想法是這樣啦試著來做一下處理跟決議就說我們現在提案的委員啦有凍結3減5000萬我是5200萬這樣好不好我們3減1000萬啦最主要鼓勵你們由政府帶頭在實際的節能這個部分做出一些貢獻這是最主要的一個目的啦那我們就3減也不要3減5000萬嘛3減1000萬然後勒 |
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凍結多少?要凍結多少? |
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三減一千萬、凍結一千萬 |
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兩、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6045.79 |
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所以說要看當然節約能源我跟魯昭偉都是同樣的想法我們身為政府機關這個都必須要節約能源這是一定的但是我們相關的你電費的漲價是漲多少然後在相關的這個運用畫面3.1千萬我是覺得有點多啦哎 蔡委員 |
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6075.227 |
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我先講一下我的立場我基本上非常同意召委應該適度對於節約能源節能減碳有一個象徵性的意義所以本期才會提3減100這個就是希望說政府各單位你應該逐年有一個這樣的宣誓當然崑澤委員講的也很對啦到底你能不能 |
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我們不能刪到譬如說你們把冷氣都關起來結果導致其他的問題產生所以我也接受啦但因為我也不知道是多少才是對的所以呢我才會提一個象徵性的就是跟主委的概念是這樣只是他跟主席的概念是這樣只是他一塊要賭一千喔我感覺我稍微緊張一下這樣賭就不知道會影響實際的運作沒有啦所以我才會提概念我是同意的啦就是應該有一個象徵的意義嘛好謝謝 |
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6126.805 |
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好謝謝陳雪真委員這個三減喔水電費水電費應該漲價啦漲價然後我們國內外的旅客逐漸的增加這個要請何局長說明一下三減一千萬有沒有問題如果三減一千萬有問題的話當然我們要考慮好不好好我們民航局 |
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6154.526 |
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好跟各位人報告齁其實我們的人數齁如果是用今年的一到十月來算齁跟去年來比的話是增加了14%齁那當然明年的呃旅客人士絕對還會再往上那114年編的預算是沒有包含今年的兩次的調漲就大概是24.5%那我們預估今年其實預算大概我們預估今年大概就會到達3.67億 |
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6157.288 |
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6166.234 |
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所以如果刪1000萬其實我們原編其實已經有點不足所以建議是不是不要刪除那是不是用凍結的方式是確實不夠 |
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我建議這樣好不好,就三減五百萬,凍結五百萬,然後你們對整個規劃然後做書面報告,凍結部分使得動之。不是啦,報告各位,不是三減五百萬、一千萬、兩千萬的問題,他現在已經調漲兩次都沒有計算在裡面,我建議用凍結的方式會比較好啦。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
6199.924 |
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因為萬一不夠用怎麼辦?是不是?你三點五百萬有什麼意義?沒有什麼意義?就是三點而已啊是不是? |
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6206.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
6207.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
6226.762 |
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6250.658 |
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5百萬然後你們提書面報告總是要說明一下嘛不然大家問那麼多好不好說明的話使凍結部分使得凍結書面報告還要重點是講如何強調節能減碳好不好這個是真的啦謝謝委員好那我們就做剛剛的一個處理方式接下來第8案第8案李委員要補充說明還是民航局 |
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6257.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
6259.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
銀行局直接說明銀行局 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
6277.495 |
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6278.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
提出書面報告。好,立委員。好,就轉動解。 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
6308.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
6314.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
好 第九案好 針對於第八案服務費用向下的油電費誒 是凍結多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
6320.985 |
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6343.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
凍結100萬元提書面報告使得動之有沒有其他意見沒有沒有其他意見我們就接續審理第9到第10案其中是勞務成本向下的付費用向下的旅運費好旅運費兩位委員提案都不對來民航局說明一下有跟兩位委員去做說明嗎 |
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這個部分也有說明那這個出國旅費的部分主要就是我們原編的預算以外我們114年是增編了先進國家航管系統規劃建置的一個國外的一個 |
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6363.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
預算基金分預算基金分 |
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6393.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
6421.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
然後至於第10案的話第10案的話就是有關林委員提的這部分就是有關我們出國旅費的這個部分就是說兩岸的部分應該比較沒有復航的需求然後有關這個台南台中機場應該來善用開拓航線然後所以這個部分我們是建議是說因為我們今年 |
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6451.232 |
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全國出國執行,我們大概可以達到年底的話到目前為止11月底是接近70%然後我們因為整個的執行來講因為有一些部分大概委員比較關心的是說有部分的項目沒有執行那主要原因大概就是有一筆是有關我們洽談航權的部分那這個部分是因為雙方因為是對方有到我們 |
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6452.412 |
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6452.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
基金分預算基金分 |
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6475.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
6476.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
提出面報告後時的動機。以上說明。 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
6492.972 |
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6507.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
好的,所以你的出國費用剛剛在民航局的預算裡面有兩筆嘛那在這邊有3700多萬是不同人不同單位出國嗎?都不同人嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
6534.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
不同的齁因為在過去幾年你們的質詢的比例其實你們錢沒有需要這麼多啦不是三你們的到今年現在12月多了你說質詢對不對大概不到算七成好了算七成你三千多萬如果剩下三成的話就可以三一千萬喔所以委員提的是是幫你調整啦畢竟委員們在看預算你實際要用多少你實際這麼多年來你根本都用不掉嘛 |
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6535.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
6551.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
你要做一個核實去做一個調整啦這個我想委員們也幫大家看緊荷包了我想這個兩位委員提的數字是差不多的啦那就針對於針對於這個旅運費的部分我們就3.4百萬還好啊可以啦真的不過分嘛因為兩位委員包括林俊賢委員也十分之一也是370萬還是你要林俊賢委員3.4分之一 |
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| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
6592.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
這個部分還是是不是請委員可以再來支持因為旅運費下面因為剛剛講的是出國嘛其實有國內跟其他的那因為國外旅費這個部分如果我們三的太緊其實同仁在安排的時候很不好安排因為我們知道譬如說他出去的地點包含他要報名的費用還有包含他的那個機票的費用其實都有一些浮動那這個費用其實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
6594.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6612.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
6638.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
所以這個費用沒有執行完還是會在民航作業基金可是我們是覺得這個每一個項目都有需要可是如果這樣三就會變有些項目可能得就沒辦法出就沒辦法去執行因為雖然是主辦方沒辦法辦理可是相關的出國或者是會尤其明年又是我們國際民航組織的第一應該是大會所以我們也要去進行相關的雙邊等等 |
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6639.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
6640.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
6662.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
6685.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
你看多30萬可以用。跟委員報告一下因為行政院本身對於出國這件事情是非常管制嚴格的項目那剛剛如同局長講的假使我們原來的經費已經被刪掉了那大概就因為尤其現在飛機票那些都還在持續往上漲因為供需的問題所以會造成他們根本沒辦法規劃安排 |
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6686.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
6687.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6717.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
6730.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
去處理就好像剛剛講公務的部分那些東西也都可能是一次性因為學到了就不一定會再去除非有新東西出來所以我們是希望委員這邊大概用凍結我們把報告寫清楚一點讓委員知道我們到底怎麼樣規劃我們的出國 |
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6733.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
6756.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
但是委員們審預算跟你的理解不太一樣不是我編了一大堆我隨便編剩下你放心還是會回公務預算我們審預算那就不要審了你就編一坨給我們反正你們隨便用用不完再回我們不是這樣啦你講一個項目看你過去的執行率嘛我們也要做功課啦看執行率那就夠用夠用你就是多編了啦 |
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6757.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
6759.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6786.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
6807.7 |
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我代表林俊杰,你們同意嗎?我們三減兩百萬啦好不好一百一百好了意思一樣因為這也不是鋼也不是鐵不能吃的啦快去講能留用嗎?不行齁不能留用齁要不要尊重我尊重你啊就算一百萬啊好算一百萬好啦大家好尊重陳雪生委員齁這個 |
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6810.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
6839.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
第九到十案勞務成本服務費用項面的旅運費三減一百萬好,謝謝委員好,各位沒問題接下來處理第十一案第十一案這個管理及總務費用項下的服務費用項下旅運費欸這個又是什麼旅運費說明一下這是旅費吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
6843.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
6866.631 |
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還是民航局你也不知道沒有沒有我們分兩個剛剛是勞務勞務是就是我們的16個航空站加總台加那個航警局那這個管總是局本部的標準組非航管制組就是我們有7組一中心所有的出國啊各有專業啊航空站也有他需要出去啊總台非航服務總台也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
6870.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
6896.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
對其實其實民航局你在本預算跟民航基金出國預算其實我是充裕的雖然我們剛剛已經通過我們在那邊炒那個八十萬幾十萬其實感覺也沒什麼意義啦齁那這個部分有跟廖委員溝通嗎有溝通過溝通過啦齁但是沒有簽到同意書啦齁那這個部分就一樣啦齁我們就等比例齁等比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
6899.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
6916.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
等比例這邊3.50萬好不好好各位有沒有其他意見沒有好沒有意見我們繼續處理第12到第13案服務費用向下的修理保養及保固費總金額是11億2914萬餘元提案的委員有兩位 |
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6924.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
6924.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
民航局說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
6955.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
6970.077 |
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主要叫113年增加的原因就是加了1億多那主要原因就是因為我們航警局那個X光機的行李檢查儀跟電腦斷層齊滿了以後其實他要保固所以大概就編了快3000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
6971.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
6989.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
再來就是我們有關台北站它要優化整個國際線的公用報告櫃台的一個系統然後還有一些閘門的智慧化的處理所以大概這邊是2700萬還有其他我們總台、台南、台中各個機場 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
6990.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
6990.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
基金分預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
7014.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
7040.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
那另外還有一筆就是因為高雄站的110今年我們已經完成所有的空橋的汰換所以整個空橋都需要做相關的一個處理然後還有整個台北站的內部的空橋內的一些地毯地板的裝修費用1000萬所以這一些那另外除了這一些是固定項目以外那因為要配合基本工資的調漲還有一些勞健保的調整所以整個部分才會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
7041.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
7062.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
7063.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
7091.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
坤德委員謝謝趙委員那經過何局長一個簡略的說明我們當然是對於相關機場的安全維護以及相關的對於提升旅客的服務效率那也提出一個很清楚的說明那我就尊重何局長的一個說明以及報告林國忠委員這邊提三選兩議你的想法怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
7092.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
7112.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
7113.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
7116.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
7142.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
7157.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
好的那民航局那後面幕僚單位這個向下今年的到目前為止的執行率到77將近八成但是因為我們可能核銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
7159.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
7183.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
合宵可能會就是比較delay因為11月的執行大概可能就是合宵到10月或是9月那還有就是說因為其實部分他其實是簽合約他可能是按計在付款所以他會在12月的時候可能就會執行就是合宵的數字會比起就是前面這幾個月會大增 112年的執行率那112的話其實我們還不夠其實執行到103% |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
7189.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
7190.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
第11屆第2會期交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
7203.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
7231.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
那我覺得這個是我們是不是用凍結的方式好了因為我剛剛聽了蠻多都是國安非安議題啊不是有問題不是凍結的問題是他們在整個編列書裡面根本自己也講不清楚你們自己知道那委員當然不知道啊但是我們照比例來講你們去年還可以還可以沒有執行1億多那我3、2億那剛剛好而已啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
7234.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
7234.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
陳雪清委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
7263.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
7281.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
不過你們這個預算書啊,內容寫清楚嘛,郭正英兄很認真,我們國產委員很認真,是不是?你看你那個是多用了1億多,他怎麼少用了1億多,這樣3、2億也剛剛好啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
7285.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
7313.128 |
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112年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算113年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
7318.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7342.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
剛剛有跟趙偉報告就是說其實因為我們現在才只有11月底的執行數字那因為其實有一些是按計付款的部分所以每一年到了12月底的時候其實他的核銷金額會就是比過往的那個月份要來的多對那我們預估其實今年應該也是用一定會用完而且可能還會有小超過這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
7345.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7362.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
三檢多少?我還是主張啊因為我不管你們讓我們看不清楚讓我們誤解也好或者你們亂藏預算也好我認為這樣啦我的底線就三個五百吧好不好三個五百 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
7363.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7375.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
好,因為11億2900多萬已經有一個人坐在旁邊我受到脅迫壓力啊脅迫壓力但是我跟你講通通不刪不行我們斷邊預算當然被委員認為對不對但是你中午中午便當算你的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
7388.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
7392.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
第12到第13案針對於服務費用修理保養及保固費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
7408.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7410.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
第三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
7436.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7443.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
勞務成本向下的服務費用一般服務費總金額6億5209萬餘元有四位委員提案何新春委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7449.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7467.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7468.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7481.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
這個亂象當然是事前的評估跟動線規劃是完全不及格的那剛剛是航警局有說明那我覺得這個牽涉到航警局、國安人員還有就是我們桃園桃機機場 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7483.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7513.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7514.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7535.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
各部會各相關單位的溝通協調要做最充足的準備而且是做更多套的這個動線以及防範以及安全等等措施這些都要事先想清楚規劃清楚才不會嚴重的影響到這個國家的門面還有也 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7538.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7556.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
以及影響我們這些冠軍選手回國的尊嚴我覺得這個對他們是很不禮貌的所以我是提案著動一千萬希望給大家一個未來的警惕還有希望未來能夠規劃得更好以上好謝謝何委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
7558.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7564.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
第15案針對疫情後航班出入越來越多,發覺降臥後的地安事件不斷發生,108年有7件,這是疫情之前,現在113年發生10件 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
7579.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7602.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
包括了車子撞到飛機包含漏油等樣態也有人員撞械及闖入等意外事故所以我們真的是希望在民航作業基金一般的服務費用我們凍結20%希望針對具體的SOP提出之後來做一個專案報告使得動之這是我個人的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
7604.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7611.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
還有委員要說明嗎?沒有。好,民航局說明。謝謝委員,你有提案。好,你等一下。民航局先說明。 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7614.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7633.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
關河委員所提的部分就是有關在一些特殊活動在機場進行時就是由局裡還有這個航警等相關單位來做一些動線的規劃的一些訂定相關作業程這個部分我們會來配合辦理因為很有需要因為我們也總共我們有16個機場加淘機就17個 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7636.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7660.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
至於有關召委所提的這個地安事件的部分那112年全年度其實是25件那我們今年是大概降了一半是12件那有關這個地安的部分也是我們也會持續來加強要求那所以說這個部分我們是不是建議凍結然後這個然後提書面報告然後是不是可以凍結這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7664.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7670.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
一、一千萬這樣。凍結一千萬以上,謝謝委員。好,許志堅委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7674.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7702.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
謝謝主席那個民航局都有到我幫忙去溝通原則上我們都會支持但是有一件事我覺得還是要提出來就是說民航局其實我有跟局長提過部長也一起聽一下其實高雄我一直關心你看那個昨天有跟部長提到局長不在就是高雄那個田積品遠東的田積品遠東的飛機已經遷走了那高雄都還留在那邊站位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7703.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7704.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7726.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7732.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
這個建議是很辛苦的,我也跟局長說過,還有機會高雄機場公私化嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7733.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7762.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
我覺得那個部長這一次我們先過啦那是我覺得身為政務官要去思考長遠一點也就是說我今天將來高雄的16年後面的16年那我今天就是說如果沒有去做一個正本青年長遠的思考現在都頭頭一頭腳踏一腳結果我們拿的問題都沒辦法徹底解決所以當然今年的問題我們經費上我們沒有意見就是說能夠支持民航局支持交通部我們盡力來支持但是這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7763.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7764.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
7794.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7809.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
那針對於第14到第17案那這個部分民航局說明各位委員提的意見、問題、建議方向事實上都不太一樣那這樣的好不好我們這邊針對於這個向下我們凍結10%然後請 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7816.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7837.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
民航局提書面報告,使得動之民航局有沒有意見?謝謝委員好,各位委員沒有意見,那我們就這樣處理第18案第18案,針對於管理及總務費用向下的服務費用,一般服務費總金額是3086萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
7846.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7865.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
民航請說明一下有關這個第18案就是針對這個排班計程車的部分凍結30萬我們遵照辦理然後提書面報告好針對第18案管理及總務費用向下的服務費用一般服務費凍結30萬提書面報告使得動之 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7871.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7881.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
各位有沒有其他意見沒有我們接續處理第19到第24案勞務成本向下的服務費用專業服務費總金額3億5036萬餘元我們有蠻多委員提案的有沒有提案的 林俊憲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
7896.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7923.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
謝主席本期提議第23案就是我們明年度的勞務成本的專業服務費用待會先請交通部說明一下這筆費用在今年2024年到現在11月為什麼執行率只有61%同時在這項專業服務費裡面它其實無人機的管理是在這個部分不過今年7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7924.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7931.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
7949.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7973.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
像9月,今年9月就有國外電腦駭客組織攻擊國內的政府網站就造成松山機場官網流量過大我就當機了雖然沒有影響航班起降那可見我們這些都是我們機場都是受到攻擊的對象這個機場因為是有相當的國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7974.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7978.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
8006.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
8008.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
8014.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
8031.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
本席,針對民用航空局民航事業作業基金裡面有關業務成本與費用,專業服務費向下,其中有一部分經費是辦理遙控無人機操作運用及管理規則評估規劃及遙控無人機規範管理推動委員服務案, |
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8034.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8064.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
8064.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
8065.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
基金分預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
8086.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8087.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
基金分預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8115.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8144.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
好那我個人也有提兩案第一案跟林俊健委員就一樣了對於無人機的這個侵入機場重要機場的一個防衛機制看起來就是現在偵測到了然後後面的接續處理感覺還是有一點2266的這個部分真的是要想方設法中科院建制的偵防系統到底可以落實如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
8144.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8159.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
那第23支議案最主要是看到你們的法律服務費用增加了180萬是準備要跟誰打官司可能要說明一下好那來林國成委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
8163.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8183.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
本席是有提第20案那這個編列的預算當然我主張是刪減還凍結那等一下大家可以考慮一下還有另外那個24案的部分我也主張要刪然後這個部分也就是電腦軟體服務這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
8186.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8189.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8206.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8218.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
這個問題我認為他只有這種系統更改而編列的預算這麼高所以這個是不是請局長或有關人員說明一下這樣再來做決定好,民航局說明謝謝委員有關這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8238.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8266.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
有關這個林委員剛剛有提到這個無人機防制的部分就是在松山高雄還有局的部分是松山高雄已經有建置這個無人機防制的系統那其他居民合用的系統是由軍方建置那南竿的部分因為南竿的就是他是比較屬於島嶼所以這個部分我們會跟國防部再來協調看看這個部分的防制的作業那有關那個陳偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
8268.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8270.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8291.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8292.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8307.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
8307.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8330.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8352.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
目前就可以偵測到知道這個無人機的位置之後我們就可以知道說這個有人機的部分的起降的安排所以這部分是對於整個機場的起降是有幫助的那所以說有關剛剛委員所提的部分至於治安的部分那個部分我是不是請同仁那個我們資訊組組長是委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8357.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8383.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
委員剛才提到有關於資安的一個部分由於我們的所屬台北、台中還有高雄這幾個航空站還有飛航服務總台都是我們的重要的關鍵基礎設施所以為了強化資安所以我們在今年這個部分有增列一部分資安的費用主要都是為了包含了像防火牆還有入侵防禦偵測的一個加強那以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8389.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8406.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
最後有關就是趙偉有提到的這個法律的事務費主要就是因為我們遠東在松山還有三架停在那裡然後高雄有兩架那所以說在這個法律事務因為要做一些強制執行跟一些相關的訴訟所以我們大概有增編了這一筆兩邊大概都100萬這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
8411.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8430.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
所以主要是希望說這個部分也可以建議凍結這個是不是10%整個案子然後提書面報告好 陳雪生委員其實我今天來開會我前面這個壓力蠻大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
8434.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8461.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
不是說你們壓力很大剛才郡議員講到那個老公那邊無人機過來干擾當然會影響到我們飛航的安全但是這個是基於國防的一個考量所以如果把他打下來的話那就變成戰爭了所以這個有他的考量不過我跟郡議員報告我這次大陸書記馬上要到我們馬祖來參訪我跟他建議無人機不要到馬祖干擾要就跑到金門去 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8464.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8490.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
這個請你放心好不好大概不會再有類似的事情發生不過我跟郭政委員報告何局長上任不是我誇他他在行政上憑良心講保持中立沒有什麼哪一黨派的問題他做事情非常認真所以我今天來也是給他一個鼓勵所以你站在我前面你不要有任何的壓力好不好你該刪就刪好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8491.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8506.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
好不好你該刪就刪不過我還是幫他講個話啦他表現真的很好我希望能夠聽得到他的說明啊我們各刪一百萬就好了好不好謝謝了趙偉謝謝跟你建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8507.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8534.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
好那我們來處理這個19到第24案吼那先處理刪除的部分有三位委員提了4案涉及刪減的部分吼那刪減的部分呃有刪2000萬呃我個人是針對於法律的部分是刪除20%的吼那欸國政委員總共刪了8000萬吼然後廖先生委員是100萬那這樣好不好就 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8544.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8548.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8557.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8583.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
在審預算的當中當然因為我個人的看法就是說編列不當或重複編列當然該三則三那該給還是會給那我在想說因為我原來當然因為何局長也去解釋那有一個部分也就是說他解釋的就是三減的這些六千萬這個部分他事後有去解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8584.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8586.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8606.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8623.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
因為平常的這些這個網路是他們在做然後改一個層次就編列300萬所以這個部分我認為把它刪200萬好那我整合一下意見刪減200萬然後凍結10%提書面報告10%的通知各位委員有沒有其他意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8636.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8637.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
謝謝委員好 休息5分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8641.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8650.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8670.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8692.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8692.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8701.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8718.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8727.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8744.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8749.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8775.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8781.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8793.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8795.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8816.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8821.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8837.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8843.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8863.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8886.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8886.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8886.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8902.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8905.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8918.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8919.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8936.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8945.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算非營業部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8972.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8979.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
接下來繼續審民航基金預算現在是第25案管理及總務費用向下的服務費用專業服務費總金額10656萬餘元 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8987.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8988.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
陳主席委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
9008.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9030.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
回顧在今年3月初的時候就是有發生在桃園機場南跑道進行稅休那這個桃機公司對於就是當時的航班的一個起降的這樣子的航班流量就是可能沒有掌握到實際的狀況所以缺乏應變的備援計畫跟準備造成當時很多架的班機起降延誤改時 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9031.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
9032.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
關於交通部及民航局是民用機場的一個主管機關所以我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9050.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9073.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
民航局針對未來如果遇到民用機場跑道稅休等類似的事件的時候要確立相關的事務的一個統籌然後還有這個備援計畫及航管協調等統一作業的流程一定要有一個確實的一個飛航的一個計畫所以這邊我們希望他提出一個報告在提出報告之後使得動之謝謝好民航局邱銘 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9077.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9105.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
謝謝委員有關這一案呢我就是委員剛剛所提的就是說有關機場我們稱為航空站經營人因為我們有17個機場那他在做跑道稅修的時候確實是需要跟航空公司還有這個執行工程的業者做相關的一些統籌規劃或者是安全影響的部分那所以說我們建議這一案我們是遵照辦理我們建議文字修正那文字修正的部分我們有影印在桌上 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
9106.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9118.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
這一個部分那就請委員參考改組決議沒有吧沒有文字修正文字修正文字修正部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9123.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9127.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
第二段就是機場公司除了程序性、例行性、開會說明、頒發公告就備員計劃如何與航管單位協調外 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
9149.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9167.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
對於航空站經營人如何與各航空業者、航廈工程業者協調、統籌規劃及安全影響評估為真完善。據交通部這個部分就照錄然後第三段我們就建議說第二行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
9169.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9191.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
就是我直接念建啟好了建啟民航局針對未來如預民用機場跑道稅休等類似事件航空站經營人如何確立相關事務統籌備援計劃及航管協調統一作業流程以符合機場飛航安全市民航局於三個月向立法院交通委員會提出署免報告使得動質 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9193.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9210.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
OK 可以沒有意見好 針對於第25案做以下處理針對於管理及總務費用向下的服務費用專業服務費凍結10%對不對 凍結10%提出書面報告使得凍資好 沒有意見接下來我們處理26到27案提案委員有兩位有沒有要補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9223.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9235.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
我不一定三啦我可以動啦那只是說看是不是能夠請民航局就是預算執行到50%之後提署名報告然後再看成效再決定是否解凍這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9236.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9262.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
好了謝謝廖先祥委員來民航局針對這兩案來說明謝謝廖委員跟林國成林委員所提的有關我們這個推展費其實是給我們16個航空站加我們飛航服務總台跟航警局的相關宣導那裡面會增加的原因主要就是其實我們在做的都是跟飛安有關的比如說無人機啦或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9263.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9282.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
放有礙飛案物體或者是有關飛機上限制使用一些電話電子用品危險物品或者是雷射燈光等等那主要會增加就是因為這裡面也包含了一些相關宣導就是高雄我們高雄機場今年要做那個高雄數位博物館 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9283.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9309.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
那它裏面就是會介紹有關跟機場相關的一些業務所以這個部分有增加了60萬那我們是不是建議就是說不要減劣那就是凍結10%然後等到像交通委員會就推展費的具體使用說明後再提出書面報告這樣以上說明好的那林國成委員就是不減劣凍結你的看法如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9311.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9329.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
其實這個金額是很少啦那因為局長有提供因為我們我有要求他所辦過的去年所辦過的東西那特別要提醒局長我要你們提供的你們把相片拿來也不說明也不講清楚這個我還是建議啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9330.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9332.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9353.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9365.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
動結10%提書面報告使得動之各位有沒有其他意見沒有其他意見我們接續處理第28案勞務成本向下的材料及用品費用 |
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提案委員來林委員好這個因為其實這個三個也算蠻少的啦一億都只有三減三百萬這是對於幾個我們比較有疑慮的東西啊你們也講不清楚所以這個部分希望大家可以 |
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9412.87 |
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所以希望民航局這裡可以遵照辦理因為我們檢的算很少其他的部分因為我有兩岸那兩岸像一百多億的這個部分我們都還主張在能凍結百分之三十那我希望檢列的部分就如照檢列的部分 |
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好,針對第28案就3.3百萬好不好,好,3.3百萬好,各位沒有意見,接續處理第29案第29案主要是固定資產建設改良擴充向下的專案計畫相關於桃園航空城機場園區用地取得計畫 |
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9448.669 |
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9456.598 |
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來 林委員因為我們是建議我們是建議凍結本來是50%可是經過解釋以後我們也同意凍結30%民航局有沒有意見 |
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9492.801 |
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委員是那我沒辦法因為這一筆錢是給那個桃園他們做那一些安那個安加發那個安置重建補助費還有一些安置住宅或者是安置借過的相關費用是按預算是不是可以凍結10%然後那個提書面報告這個有我們召集人啊因為桃園是你的地區吧 |
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因為我是主張說本來原來我是凍結50%那經過他們溝通我也同意降下來30%那因為我每一樣都是30%可是從來從來就是主席裁定10%那是不是建議主席看看因為反正要凍嘛這個只是報告而已嘛還要看主席 |
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9530.324 |
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第二十九案固定資產建設改良擴充鄉下專案計劃桃園航空城機場園區用地取得計劃針對140 |
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5億餘元我們凍結10%然後提供書面報告使得動之在這裡提醒一下針對於整個的一個計畫你要再說明一下因為大家很多人為了時程有些民眾的問題最近有一些那個集合住宅希望能夠納入請你一併說明好不好 |
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好,各位有沒有其他意見沒有其他意見我們接續處理第30至31案針對於固定資產建設改良擴充向下專案計劃針對於高雄國際機場新航廈第一期工程計劃我們高雄的委員有提案凍結有跟徐委員溝通嗎有溝通過這個我們遵照辦理遵照辦理是嗎 |
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針對第30至31項做以下處理其中固定資產建設改良擴充專案計劃高雄國際機場新航廈第一期工程計劃 |
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9622.291 |
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9639.646 |
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凍結1700萬提書面報告使得動之各位委員有沒有其他意見沒意見我們接續處理第32到33案固定資產建設改良擴充專案計劃又是桃園桃園國際機場第三航廈安檢儀器設備採購中長期個案計劃兩位委員有提案來林俊賢委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9649.92 |
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二、繼續審查 |
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9665.127 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金分預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位 |
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9688.923 |
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9706.9 |
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就被查到部分零組件是來自中國的軍火集團這個恐怕會有治安的疑慮那今年2024年淘機的第三航廈的採購首體拖運行李X光機的得不到廠商也曾發生疑似弊案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9709.622 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9728.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9756.762 |
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這是民航局還是航警局的業務?來,航警局的邱局長跟委員報告這個第三航廈的這個安檢設施基本上它全部的預算有18億那逐年編列預算那因為它的設備事實上是要跟第三航廈的硬體設施相結合所以我們在去年的時候就委託由陶磯公司來統一發包那已經招標出去了 |
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9766.845 |
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所以在今年有3億多明年有1600多萬剛剛林委員特別提到的就是說在設備過去曾經發現過有中國的相關設施 |
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這個部分我們在規格設定的時候就已經把它排除掉了就是限制不得有中國相關的產業的設備或是零件在我們的設施當中那未來我們在驗收的時候也會針對這個部分來加強做一個控管那另外的就是說 |
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因為這個部分是逐年編列預算那明年這個1600萬可能一開始在年初的時候我們就要給廠商所以這個部分特別是不是拜託委員可不可以修改這個相關的文字一方面原來二分之一是不能減少到凍結十分之一然後提出書面報告之後來凍結以上報告 |
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9843.979 |
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林國忠委員最主要還是我們關心是人力的問題啦因為商行下未來不管是民航局也好不管是航警局也好在這個部分確確實實人員的缺乏所以我們還是利益良善現在很流行用利益良善我們還是要鞭策他們人員要補足 |
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9872.802 |
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不要一行下二行下的缺點在三行下人員不足的情況之下把品質拉得很低所以我還是建議啦就由主席裁定當然凍結以後凍結其目的主要是他們做到什麼讓我們委員會去了解讓我們立法委員也知道他們的方向做到哪一個地方所以我們也沒有主張刪除只有在凍結的部分由主席去做裁決 |
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9902.357 |
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好 謝謝兩位林委員那針對於第三十二、三十三案來民航局說明一下不好意思剛剛那個因為業務面刪減或者是凍結的部分邱局長說明那這個裡面有一個文字我先提建議就是說民航局的部分是不是可以改成航警局三十二案對 沒有錯 航警局黃同義是 |
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9903.755 |
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9930.745 |
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好你沒問題吧是是是好好針對於32到33案科目是固定資產建設改良擴充專案計劃台灣機場台灣國際機場第三航廈安檢儀器設備採購中長期個案計劃我們凍結10%提書面報告使得弄知各位有沒有不同意見沒有好 |
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9932.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9955.732 |
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但是真的是拜託啊那委員通過啊最怕第一個你所托非人第二個勒那個機器齁奇奇怪怪的沒有達到這個部分我們真的希望發布單位你們好好檢討在書面報告也要寫清楚好我們繼續處理第34案到35案科目是固定資產建設改良擴充專案計畫松山機場松山機場國際航線 |
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9961.088 |
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9975.616 |
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國際航廈耐震補強裝修及設施更新計劃這樣是很危險的是不是當然你先說明一下好不好民航局說明一下那個有關松山機場的耐震補強確實其實這個案子 |
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10007.141 |
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舉例已經處理滿多年齁那在100年的時候大概委員關心就100年的時候其實我們有完成過這個耐震補強不過因為這個建築師因為被檢舉有設計不實所以我們其實也把建築師去懲戒了那整個後來第二航廈已經做了相關補強跟改善那這一次呢我們這個案子是針對松山機場的第一航廈那因為這一個航廈已經真的是比較老舊然後六十幾年 |
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對,那所以說這個耐震補強的作業是有必要,我們已經也奉行政院核定,所以會從明年114年做到121年,那大概整個經費是21億,那主要就是因為它是一個營運中的機場,而且它的耐震補強方式是要用那個擴注或者是加減力牆。 |
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所以對整個營運我們也會用那個就是邊營運邊施工所以他是比較特殊那因為這一筆費用是因為委外的第一筆就是447萬等於是頭期款6%然後案子所以他這個部分我們是建議是不是可以用凍結20%然後向交通委員會提出書面報告後再凍結以上說明謝謝好這個民航局的說明那我們兩位委員有沒有補充意見 |
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10062.313 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10082.225 |
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10084.126 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10102.19 |
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10102.931 |
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提早討論解決方案。以上。好,謝謝廖委員。林國忠委員補充嗎? |
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10126.004 |
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10144.234 |
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嚴則性也是凍結,現在局裡面還有先想說百分之二十那就百分之二十,反正這個寫個報告然後這個一定要做的工程基本上我們還是支持就是凍結讓我們了解一下進度這樣也好,嚴則性我也同意 |
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10146.076 |
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10152.805 |
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第34、35案做以下處理固定資產建設改良擴充專案計劃松山機場國際線航廈耐震補強裝修及設施更新計劃 |
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10163.17 |
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10177.9 |
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動輒20%提供書面報告使得動之。各位有沒有不同意見?沒有。好,那我們繼續處理第36案。36案的科目是固定資產建設改良擴充向下的一般建築及設備計畫。 |
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立法院第11屆第36次全體委員會議 |
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那你明年編了30億你可以執行嗎?為什麼過去的執行率那麼差?尤其像今年今年就是剛剛我們幾位委員關心的那種機場外觀風貌改造計畫這風貌改造共有四個案沒有一個案有執行全部不到5%那發生什麼問題?工程執行率為什麼那麼差? |
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10229.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10244.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
10264.702 |
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謝謝林委員那有關這一案一般建築及設備的部分主要執行率沒有預期主要第一個就是剛剛提到的市離島的這個就是青梅汪安綠島蘭嶼因為他已經20幾年都沒改建所以特別辦了這個案子不過在招標的過程中因為是在離島所以不容易招標那不過 |
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10265.943 |
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10291.63 |
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就是我們也努力去處理那今年終於綠島蘭嶼已經已經辦理已經辦理招標已經7月就決標然後已經要開工了那另外兩岸七美跟望安我們也會持續來辦理這個招標來滾動那另外有一岸是高雄機場的北側圍牆的部分那因為它是有因為法令變更的問題所以增加了一些項目 |
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那所以說有關這一項裡面還有松山機場的10號跑道頭的用地取得跟相關的整建因為土地所有人有訴訟所以執行沒辦法符合預期那所以說這部分我們是建議凍結十分之一然後提書面報告這樣以上說明謝謝好另外林俊賢委員是要三解一議要嗎 |
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10322.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10324.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10344.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
10357.718 |
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沒有一個規劃你是自己規劃還是委外規劃我不清楚啦但你那個最基本的就你剛剛的報告嘛像高雄機場那個圍牆生了土地救護那些問題造成你沒有辦法來執行工程嘛 |
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10359.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
10362.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
10382.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
10384.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10410.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
10411.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
我代表林基建還代表林國臣發言 |
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10438.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
10462.103 |
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何局長,基金委員講的不是沒有道理?你土地沒有取得你編預算幹什麼?你編的預算也是空編的啊,是不是?你土地要取得嘛,你要有所有權啊你沒有所有權你現在編了3億,我跟你編50億也沒有用啊你執行不了嘛,是不是?你怎麼發包?你敢發包嗎?是不是?你不敢發包嗎? |
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10463.331 |
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10473.773 |
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所以我覺得你要斟酌一下你預算變那麼多你要斟酌一下不是說什麼3.1億、1000萬不是這個問題我覺得要砍的話3億都可以刪掉3億都應該要刪掉你自己講好了你們說明一下不是1000萬的問題這不是1000萬的問題你土地取得沒有你刪了1000萬我跟你講你決算你又出不來了 |
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10493.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
10513.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
你就保留預算你也弄不出來?那個已經通過了啦你不覺得土地都OK了嗎?那個是去年的預算啦土地都好了嗎?其實它是執行中的案子有爭議已經在執行中的案子喔?對是執行中發生爭議那個不要刪嘛為什麼要刪一千萬幹什麼?因為他要發包啊是不是你刪他一千萬幹什麼我不懂啊 |
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10515.356 |
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好謝謝剛剛是他講的法律案件是之前的案子在113年編的預算那因為現在執行率非常差幾趴而已那為什麼在年初的時候或者去年審預算的時候你編這麼多預算你不知道林俊賢委員的意思是這樣的那其實你知道嗎你們的剛剛你講你們人欠這麼多固定業務 |
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放在固定的幾個人身上你預算堆疊你前岸未清然後後面要發包其實我講真的你自己要注意這個你的員工的工作量他能不能吃這個吃不消啊所以3.1合理啦欸?行政院主席有沒有來?行政院主席有沒有來?欸?他都沒有質疑他要處分了你還記過以上處分欸是不是這樣? |
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欸 處長快講他沒有他沒有超過百分之八十的話有問題的欸是要寫檢討報告沒有錯這報告寫得出來嗎欸你不要你郭陳修你不要再護航了我跟你講齁好啦我沒意見啦好不好對啦我剛剛已經說了嘛因為不同意見發表完了之後就是 |
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第三十六案做以下處理 |
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固定資產─這個科目我們3減5千萬,凍結10%提書面改善報告,使得凍資。好,各位有沒有不同意見?沒有,好那接下來處理決議案,主決議的部分37案到47案,請委員翻到第37案好,37案我的案子,來,民航局 |
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我們就是遵照辦理然後專案報告改書面報告好 同意好 修正文字後通過這第37案 38案謝謝 遵照辦理38案照案通過如果委員你要補充說明的麻煩舉個手好 第39案那個專案改書面遵照辦理 |
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好 修正文字後通過第40案 遵照辦理好 第40案照案通過第41案修正文字就是倒數第二行就是要求民航局應持續爭取比照好 文字修正部分林國忠委有意見 |
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好第41案修正文字通過第42案修正文字就是倒數第二行要求民航局一四年六月向立法院交通委員會提出十項計畫書面進度報告就是刪除以六個月為期的以跟個好邱委員同意 |
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好 那就照 修正文字後通過第43案 遵照辦理43案照案通過44案遵照辦理44案照案通過45案遵照辦理45案照案通過46案遵照辦理46案照案通過47案遵照辦理47案照案通過 |
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10761.647 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10783.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
10785.497 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10807.671 |
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明天一開始你們就頒獎了,不要玩真的。這樣很激烈。這場公司是大家等待已久的啊。 |
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預算案附屬單位預算基金分預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位 |
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10876.106 |
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附屬單位預算附屬單位預算附屬單位預算附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附 |
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附屬單位預算附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位附屬單位 |
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10916.107 |
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銀業預算請大家參照建議併案及預算表我們依這個次序來審理首先第一到四案是針對於營業收入,營業收入是給你們鼓勵啦就覺得目前編了241億7268萬餘元那這個部分就大家覺得都要增列啦 |
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10922.29 |
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10924.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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10941.588 |
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謝謝主席,那本席提的是第三案那就是針對有關這個陶基公司114年度勞務收入轉機過境設施使用費收入那他明年度是編列收入預算數是15億9600萬元那本席提案裡面這裡不好意思第二段的前面有一個物質的部分就是114年度這應該是113年度 |
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113年度的預算我們台積公司針對轉機過境設施使用費編列收入8億5479萬多那截至今年8月底收入就已經達到20億6665萬元了所以我們依據今年這樣子的一個收入那我是覺得說明年這樣子的預算數收入是有比較保守所以本席是提增列1億5000萬元好謝謝好林紀健委員 |
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現在主席本期是提第2案第4案可能是疫情以後那當然陶基現在非常繁忙那我看今年的收入2024年我提的第2案是針對轉機過境旅客一個人收500塊你的諮詢率到10月就162%了另外第4案營業收入包括各項租金、權利金、租賃 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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11047.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
11056.713 |
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這個一定要提高吧不然你這樣看起來實在是我認為有嚴重低估啦那也請說明一下 |
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11059.844 |
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11078.257 |
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好,非常謝謝各位的提案沒有錯,今年淘機的營運的狀況一估到12月底應該會到4460萬左右那比原來原便預算的時候的人數會增加不過這裡面一個是人次、旅次的這個增加一個是收入的部分的一個對照 |
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11103.766 |
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收入的部分我們現在也發現一個狀況就是疫情過後這個旅客的組成跟消費形態在改變當中所以我們現在非常的重視要怎麼樣去做一個適當的分析那各位委員的提案裡頭運量的部分我們目前已經按照現在的運量在114年度的運量我們預估是10723萬人次當然這個希望能夠再增加 |
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11113.412 |
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這個勞務收入的部分大概目前估計起來還可以再調整我們建議的額度是一億五千萬以上 |
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好 這個案子爭議不大啦齁 那只有金額的差別林俊賢委員兩個加起來總共是增加6億齁 然後陳碩友委員一億五千萬嘛我百分之三十齁 我百分之三十最少 數字最少那這樣好不好 我們就增加5億啦好不好好 尊重主席好增加5億給你們鼓勵嘛齁可以啦什麼叫增加太少 |
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11142.996 |
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報告委員因為我們在疫後淘機的運量在疫後去年112年是成長最多的爆發性成長從112年500萬成長到去年是3500萬等於去年一年就增加3000萬但是今年的部分還是持續成長不過這個成長的力道已經趨緩今年大概 |
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預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位 |
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11195.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
11196.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
11216.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
11240.533 |
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五、要請問是服務費用的水電費五位委員有提案有沒有要補充說明的?崑澤委員我請陶基公司說明一下因為電價當然是有調整那其實我們去估算在明年度的這個相關的電費的部分我們編的預算足不足以支應這個預算這個電費的部分應該可以清楚的說明 |
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11242.444 |
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11243.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
秋魏華委員秋魏華委員 |
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11261.038 |
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11286.819 |
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那其中是主要是電費為主要支出嘛那四大項共編列了8億4900萬那因此那也因為節能減碳是國際的趨勢那因此減碳主要要聚焦在減少電力的使用提升能源的效率啊那基礎上也是我國重要的國門嘛那應該代表我國的形象也應該要跟國際接軌所以電費不應該過度編列以上好謝謝邱委員 |
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那幾位委員提案的一個方向還蠻一致的啦那如果沒有其他意見是不是請我們董事長來說明是,非常謝謝各位委員的提案確實沒有錯,電費現在已經是成本已經在增高所以淘氣公司我們在用電或者用水同步都在進行節能減碳 |
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11310.895 |
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11335.374 |
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包括剛才部長特別提醒我們現在在橋漆、橋墊的部分現在是積極的進行當中另外目前機場公司裡面的用電系統最大的當然就是場域裡面的冷氣或者是電梯、電扶梯等等那這些設備都已經在做這個節冷的這個態換這個機械的態換另外跑道的燈光也是全部都改成了LED燈了這在節冷跟減碳的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
11343.167 |
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至於說預算編列的部分非常謝謝剛剛委員提到我們有沒有可能預算還不夠實用今年度編的預算 |
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按照過去的這個上一個年度的預算我們是增加了2.6億不過今年台電公司有113年4月份跟10月份兩次的這個調漲電價高壓電價的部分調漲的幅度比較高兩個加起來大概是32%那這個部分的預算其實我們在編列的時候並沒有把它涵蓋進來所以預估這個預算8.49億的預算我們在節能在 |
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11392.686 |
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做一些努力以後看看這個預算能不能在這個範圍裡面來使用不過類似這樣的情況過去的電價調漲因為調漲宣布的時間都在預算編列之後所以這種情況還是會發生那以這樣的狀況8.49億的預算建議不要做這個刪減那我們會盡量做節電的措施以上 |
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11395.114 |
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11411.542 |
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好那這個水電費這樣好不好我們是不是就比照剛剛在民航發展基金嗎民航基金裡面處理的方式啊他們剛剛因為我們是希望說真的節能啊很多的措施你們要努力啦所以剛剛他是3.4億啊我們最終是討論3.1百萬啊你現在是8.7億嘛那我們3、2百萬好不好 |
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11418.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
11422.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
11447.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
11448.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
11467.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
11489.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
沒有意見了啦是大家都沒意見了我只是補充報告一下剛剛報告的內容有一項可能特別要跟各位報告一下我們第三航廈的工程在明年的年中的時候被登記廊廳要開始取用所以我們的設置範圍增加了那這部分的用電費用其實也是需要有一些這個預算的一個控制那以上做補充報告謝謝 |
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11492.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
11517.043 |
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好,針對於第五案到第九案做一下處理科目服務費用水電費三減一千萬做一下處理各位有沒有不同意見好,沒有不同意見我們繼續處理第十到第十二案服務費用的旅運費總共是一千三百六十二萬餘元有沒有聽到我一定要補充說明的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
11547.317 |
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好,這個機長公司,欸?誰?好,邱榮華委員謝謝主席,那本席提的是第10案那主要是看到那個執行率為73.6%如果這個執行率不到90%那就表示在執行上面有問題那單就執行率來看所以本席這邊提檢列那這邊檢列百分,我看一下百分之十好,陳雪真委員 |
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11550.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
11577.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
欸!水電費不要刪那麼多好不好?旅運費啦!旅運費啦!水電費呢?水電費已經處理結束了!結束了?對對對!現在旅運費!旅運費!蛤?旅運費啦!但是你可以補充說明該成為...沒有!我是怕水電費不夠!因為...因為我跟你講!我自己我有出國從桃園機場走喔!那個真的不夠用我跟你講! |
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11581.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
11601.888 |
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這個會有衝突啦就是我們現在在做節能檢測所以用電來替換你講第三行下你不要講那些講那些沒有用你第三行下我還是支持不是二行下啦一行下二行下你講這個你不要講那個你們根本都沒有做嘛節能減碳的措施你們都沒有做不是我剛才在打電話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11622.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
不要撿一千萬啦,那個誰?誰電費啊?郭春雄?沒有,我們委員都在嘛,我們委員都在沒關係啊。我不是說回頭啦,剛才趁著我打電話。好不好?剛剛民航局打給你啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
11624.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11628.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
11653.786 |
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好了五百了他同意了五百了我們再減少一點三百了三百好了三百你不想聽我的嗎弄老半天真是的三百了好不好三百民進黨有沒有意見各位 |
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民進黨的 你看民進黨都沒意見了 我們還有什麼意見我聽誰說的 三、三百萬 三百萬啦 啊 國際運動公會OK了好 大家有沒有 沒有 其他意見 沒有好 那針對於第五到 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
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好OK同意那沒意見了好那我們繼續處理旅運費旅運費的部分那有3減150萬的50萬的3減10%10%就大概136萬好那我這樣好不好旅運費就3減100萬好不好可不可以補充報告一下不可以 |
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不是啦我們加速一點這種沒有爭議的地方快一點啦你這一千三百多萬刪除一百萬不影響啦好啦建議三五十萬建議三五十萬好各位有沒有什麼其他意見的話做處理喔好那就尊重林國臣委員啦好 |
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11769.551 |
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好,針對於第10到第12案做以下處理服務費、旅運費用3.50萬元好,接下來13到21案 |
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服務費用稍等一下我先把科目念一下服務費用向下的修理保養與保固費總金額是22億6362萬餘元好先請林區監委員好謝謝主席本期題第17案 |
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兩、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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只剩單一跑道起降導致了141個班之延誤12班航機轉降其他機場影響了57,600多名旅客旅客怨聲載道這是在有損國門形象甚至後續還被監察院糾正 |
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同時當時也造成飛機在空中盤旋這影響安全非同小可所以稅修工程應該要有SOP你應該要有相關的配套哪有稅修工程搞到機場大亂所以本席提議第17案的修理保養與保固費用凍結十分之一請投機提出針對稅修工程應該訂定標準和作業程序 |
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二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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6月,航廈屋頂防水工程做防水工程做到漏水導致二航廈的美思區漏水8月,二航廈又因為下大雨原本是雨水要排除的管線反而也漏水9月,自來管線回填工程做到破管又影響航廈、機場、飯店用水那兩天在機場的李克安住在飯店的都沒有水 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我看我們光是修漏水都可以蓋一棟新的 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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核心準委員核心準委員核心準委員核心準委員 |
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因為不是只有一次啊是一而再、再而三啊那每次都跟我們講說是因為航廈老舊、建築物老舊但是呢每次修修補補那為什麼補不好那寮寮我知道是不好寮但是你不能一而再、再而三好像永遠都沒有辦法解決這個淹水的問題董事長又是工程專家那搞得好像台灣對這個寮寮的技術好像一點都不專業一點都不合格的樣子喔你總是要講清楚啦好不好謝謝 |
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好謝謝何委員來機場公司報告好謝謝各位剛剛的指教首先就稅休跑道稅休的部分先做一個報告我們今年度在11月份完成了北跑道的稅休就是我們在3月份發生的狀況今年下半年稅休的是北跑道的部分那因為我上一次的一個經驗我們這一次的稅休已經重新訂過了SOP包括事前的對外公開說明 |
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事中跟事後整個的過程的一個制度上的一個改變所以這個部分我們會把現在已經執行的方式以及未來的這個改進的方式會有一個書面完整的報告來向委員會來做報告這是第一點那第二點航廈裡面發生了幾次的漏水或者是設施的一些老舊的這個問題目前的處理狀況是這樣子 |
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整個一二航廈的屋頂我們現在正在做全面的紙漏的工整正在進行當中預計完成的時間是在明年的年中換句話說這一次的稅修這一次的屋頂的整修跟過去是哪邊漏哪邊修補的狀況是不一樣的處理那第二個問題是有一些漏水的事件不是外面的雨水漏進來 |
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市場域裏面有一些營業單位他有可能是有一些比如說他的洗滌用水等等他裏面的內部管線有堵住的狀況那這些我們都已經在特別的關注因為這些事情那出來啦對便所還是說這個這個廚房的這種狀況這個部分是我目前正在加強這個關注的地方那以到現在為止的狀況有發生這樣的一個滲水的狀況在處理的時間是非常的快的換句話說因為航廈老舊 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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不影響營運的狀況之下這幾個案子合併是不是我們建議凍結1.4億1.4億那簡略的部分1000萬那會提這個數字是因為我們跟各位委員報告的時候都已經做了說明跟承諾以上報告好那我來做一下處理好不好因為中午快到我們稍微齁如果有共識我們就稍微加速一點齁那針對 |
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十三案到二十一案服務費用修理保養及保固費用我們就三減一千萬凍結十趴提出凍結沒關係啦 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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22到37案服務費用向下的專業服務費有蠻多委員提案的有要補充說明的嗎來林俊憲委員 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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第三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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附屬單位預算附屬單位預算附屬單位預算附屬單位預算附屬單位預算附屬單位預算 |
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10月25日,有男子爬上維修管道,摔落出進大廳後不治。在陶姬檢討報告上也說這是廠商的問題,本席提出凍結該預算20%。 |
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陳素業委召委陳素業委召委陳素業委召委陳素業委召委 |
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12440.945 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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銀運操作方面或者是燃料方面或是技術方面整個全面性要怎樣來達到那希望提出一個書面報告那本席在這邊提案凍結預算200萬元那提書面報告後使得動之 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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最早的13米還是一大截所以在這邊本席是提凍結預算10%希望桃園企業是不是可以嚴寧參照鄰近標竿機場可以供優化的地方然後您一定改進的措施跟實施的一個時程提出書面報告後時的動之謝謝 |
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本人也有提兩案第一案也是針對於南跑道稅修大亂剛剛董事長有說明後面北跑道有改善個人意見看大家怎麼去調整沒有意見再來後面 |
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也是機場排名的問題啊因為你專業服務費會有兩個問題他到底請的人到底夠不夠專業啊就那個鄉下到底夠不夠專業那些服務到底夠不夠好啊我覺得這個東西你們要稍微注意一下那我也看到你們專業服務費當然年年有變啊從100年到112年你的執行率啊這已經結束的年度啊執行率110年是73% |
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111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位111年度中� |
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先說明一下專業服務費用裡面包含的項目裡面有包括保全的費用大概有3億7還有包括工程管理跟資訊的服務另外還有我們的電腦整體的維修等等那這裡面剛剛有提到的這些相關的舒適的部分改進的部分簡單說明一下 |
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基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算 |
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當初會有這樣的排名落下來的這種狀況跟疫情期間我們的防疫比較其他國家嚴謹這個是有直接的關係不過這已經是過去式怎麼樣從66名往上提升是我們努力的目標目前為止我們有信心在下一次大概明年的3月到4月的時候新的排名出來應該會往前提升這個是你的報告第二個剛有提到軟體當機的部分等一下我請總經理來做一個補充說明 |
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至於其他節能減碳的部分陳委員剛剛特別關心到怎麼樣去做更先進的做法機場裡面的航空用油我們已經跟中油公司在洽談在技術上因為中油公司已經取得了生產SAF的一個相關的許可 |
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那SAF是航空中擁有裡面一個非常重要的項目可以大量減少航機的排碳這個部分機場公司已經啟動包括我們現在在進行的第三航廈跟第三跑道的基礎建設的部分已經預留這樣的一個空間那以上重點的一個說明那接下來是我們總經理做一個補充各位委員有你先講完你先講完 |
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有關微軟當機剛剛林委員所提示的這個問題當時是因為有部分的航空公司是使用微軟他們的系統他是把資料上雲端所以這個系統一旦當機以後他們的一個報道話位的功能就不能使用所以當下就我們也協助跟這個航空公司來改成是人工報道那我想委員所提示的的確這個治安是非常重要 |
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這一事件也讓公司這邊有所檢討因為我們又是關鍵基礎設施所以我們對於所謂的韌性是非常的重視我們對於未來這個資訊系統的一個應用對於是不是使用雲端這一點我們會來進一步的一個檢討以上 |
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李坤哲委員 |
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我剛才聽董事長有提到說明年3月希望這個排名能夠往前來邁進等一下請董事長講你認為你以什麼名次作為目標如果這個目標委員經過討論或者是針對你的目標認為說對你有期待的話我想這個預算大概大家就會比較不會去刪或是凍結 |
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第二個是有關於我們機場漏水的問題這也不是這兩年才漏水了十幾年來第一航廈、第二航廈相關的漏水或是停電、跳電的問題是屢屢的發生當然 |
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這個說航廈的這個老舊這只是部分的因素之一啦我相信這個總經理應該很清楚啦我們也不是說因為航廈老舊所以就會漏水就會跳電那其實當初啊因為他有不斷的擴建 |
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相關的工程的重疊以及天花板在過去因為內部營業或相關的這種改變他的配管等等都有很多的問題所以在過去 |
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它並不是因為這種機場老舊去做整修因為漏水或停頓的整修而是我們相關的工程一再的重疊上去改變所以造成有很多的這種結構性都有問題 |
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我是建議真的要好好的去處理第三航廈的進度要如止如啟但是第二航廈的這種相關漏水停電問題你要去改過不然排名你花再多錢也不會有好的排名國際旅客重要的國門來家 |
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大巨蛋看棒球下雨還要拿雨傘穿雨衣一樣真的都很難看啦而且停電的問題如果說因為我們相關的維修沒有做好的話造成停電漏水 |
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國內外的旅客印象都會很不好啦我希望你們都能夠簡單的說明一下董事長明年排名也能提升到多少我會作為一個目標啦也不要太黏說要首要搶世界雄勇台灣冠軍也不要啦你能預定的目標是什麼今年多少今年66嘛66你的目標講一下目標來定65嘛我這邊在 |
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我再補充一下機場排名它有一個總排名的一個指標66是上一次的排名那在去年我記得在預算在我們委員會今年預算委員會裡面在我們交通委員會裡面巡導的時候我曾經在那個時候是王部長的任內我們提到今年以50名為目標目前正在努力當中 |
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五十當努力的目標現在正在努力當中不過我跟各位報告五十名另外還有一個細項各項的指標我們有五項是近在前十名的或許這個數字大家比較沒有去注意到包括我們的通關的速率等等場內的就是對旅客的特別的一個服務項目的排名有五項是近在前十名包括我們的美食美食街這些都是一個非常好的指標 |
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陳雪真委員補充說明 |
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董事長這個天花板掉下來這很嚴重的漏水什麼的你們派人去巡視一下嘛哪裡快掉下來了啊哪裡他掉下來的前奏一定會有水啊什麼的有沒有以前老鼠也會在上面玩啊什麼的你們應該可以查得出來啊找巡視人員我前幾天才曉得你們光廁所有400多間喔廁所有400多間還是200多間我嚇死人欸 |
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總經理廁所多少間?400多間廁所我靠比我們立法院還多欸不是你這個一定要把它弄清楚啦好不好天花板這個掉下來還有你們排名的問題齁我每次看了我都感覺不好你看現在那個電視裡面差不多十家裡面有九家都民運黨講話的你也是民運黨之一啊 |
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你去宣傳一下嘛是不是你不要弄得很像我們都是第十幾名怎麼很難看呢臺灣都是要明滅前茅排在前面啊好啦這個事情現在林國成委員我也代表他好了真的他不在我就不刪了好不好OK我就不刪了嘛好不好好謝謝各位委員的發言針對於第22案到37案因為總共有16個案子齁那 |
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最主要是服務費用專業服務費因為每位委員針對的這個預算基礎不太一樣他上下的細項跟主題不太一樣所以在趴數整個呈出來這樣好不好我們先聚焦一下我們現在處理是針對於整筆的預算8億 |
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一千九百零一萬餘元做一個整體的一個處理那這個部分因為我們看到三檢的部分大概有六到七位委員從五千萬到五百萬那這個部分這第一個那每位委員的提案已經講清楚了我們雖然是統一處理但是他其實關心的議題是什麼你們都知道 |
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那我們是不是針對於服務費專業服務費啊就3減1000萬凍結10%提書面報告使得動機可以啦齁好好沒有問題我們就繼續往下接下來是38到39萬服務費用推展費兩位委員提案也要補充說明嗎好廖監獎委員 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算基金分預算 |
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第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
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一般性的一些推廣費用如果說像民航局他可能在針對什麼無人機啊或一些安全等等的一些推廣這我也認同但是如果說你是針對機場本身去做一些美化的一些呃廣告預算的話我認為是完全沒有必要的以上 |
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李坤哲委員廖委員當然他有權利針對這個刪減的金額針對我們處理預算的程序去做相關的處理不過剛才董事長有提到說目前的排名66 |
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議員議員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
13310.399 |
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大家都五人都非常的認真跟專業到時候陶基董事長要來這邊做報告說明我想他也會很難看這個成績立刻就可以知道了我們還是給陶基一點這種改善的空間以上陶基要說明嗎 |
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我想有關剛剛委員的一個指教簡單補充就是我們這個推展的費用其實不是來宣傳我們自己公司本身是因為公司的相關活動有必須要或者我們有一些的訊息 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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來做宣導。所以基本上這個是我們最主要的一個費用的一個使用的目的。以上補充。好。針對3839萬做一下處理。服務費用、推展費用我們整體對於8130萬來做處理。就把兩位委員合併一下。3.1百萬凍結1000萬。素面報告使得動之。 |
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因為你提一百啦,我也不好意思亂加啦好不好,不然感覺是召委一個人在審預算不好啦你沒有提案我們可以一百都不行嗎?來陳委員一百,我不是講這個啦齁我跟召委報告我禮拜一不在齁,我要三公務總局幾億的預算齁我拜託大家支持一下誰召委?陳志業召委,對 |
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拜託一下,你們支持一下,我不是要刪他的預算,我說把他提政黨協商,拜託一下好不好,政黨協商,因為我那個馬祖大橋到現在為止,部長齁,一點承諾都沒有好不好。現在說不當局內,你怎麼預告?我知道啦,我要先預告啦。 |
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我們大家交情那麼好沒關係啦齁提外的好不好因為部台也在嘛好不好我不是在內閣論總局喔那個先刪減齁刪減政黨協商好不好我會讓你過來好不好好謝謝 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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更好。那至於剛剛機場公司說的,雖然說尊重趙薇的才識,但不代表我認同機場公司的解釋。你們說你們有一些東西需要讓民眾知道,那所以說要編列媒體,編列通訪預算,意思是說,你們平常所發的訊息,你們意思是說,這些媒體,因為你沒有給他們預算,所以它,你們一些重大的訊息,它,媒體就不會公道嗎?好像也是有點陷媒體不義的這樣子一個感覺啦,以上。 |
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好謝謝廖委員也是苦口婆心啊你們真的要聽進去那3839案就按照我剛剛處理的方式來處理沒有其他意見接下來我們處理40到51案總共有12案經費就營業成本145億6143萬餘元好各位提案委員我們要補充說明的好徐副委員 |
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本席提了41到43案那我想我們大家都求好心切希望我們桃機公司這個尤其我們桃園國際機場是我們國家的門面但是屢屢發生機場漏水甚至跑到碎鏽這樣子一個狀況我相信這個對於這個國際的旅客來講實在是這個一個大的笑話所以41案的部分我們希望增加這個督促我們桃機公司 |
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針對這個百大評比的部分能夠提出一個改善的計畫那42案的部分針對第三行下這個不但核定的時間到現在這個施工時間延至116年而且預算也增加了到1200多億但是屢屢傳出一個負面的一個新聞包含這個掃描機的認證瑕疵還有自駕電動巴士的這個完工的疑慮我想這部分我們也要求凍結500萬請 |
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桃機公司能夠按時程施工排除相關的施工疑慮那針對43案的部分從111年開始陸續發生了多起的人為影響機場的安全事件那包含有工人突破安全防護破壞高壓電纜 |
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那也有外籍的旅客這個破窗這個擅自破壞我們的圍籬還有甚至這個施工的吊臂作業車的吊臂造成一個擦撞的一些事故表示我們在一個淘氣公司一個防護機制上面出現很大的一個漏洞所以我們也要求要凍結營業成本的500萬那要求淘氣公司能夠加強一個所謂的一個整體的一個安全防護一個改善計畫並建立一個預警機制謝謝 |
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陳秀月委員本席針對淘氣公司明年度其他營業成本服務費用向下暫處包裝代理及加工費科目編列5億8736萬餘元 |
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科目預算。我們也肯定陶瓊公司在114年度的策略目標就是推動前瞻智慧機場從智慧化資訊服務及強化數位管理來增加旅客滿意度及優化機場營運的效能這我們是予以肯定的本期在委員會質詢的時候也有針對目前的 |
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基金分預算案附屬單位預算基金分預算案附屬單位預算 |
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13738.061 |
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好謝謝陳委員好那投資公司有要做說明嗎 |
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13766.796 |
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我建議剛剛幾位委員的提示我們都會遵照努力去做處理改進當然有關凍結的部分是不是建議整個加起來凍結一千萬就是有幾位不同項目的委員特別提出來凍結的數字加起來整個從第40到51項一千萬凍結數 |
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三組委員沒有意見,那我就來做一個處理了。我想這個營業成本,就我的想法就是之前我們希望他們增加收入,也預期會有更多的旅客會經過各個機場。 |
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那既然希望他們多賺錢我覺得成本的部分我就覺得說是不是不要刪除用凍結的所以我們針對於第40到51案一頁成本的部分凍結10%提書面報告針對每位不同的那個內容提書面報告使得用之各位有沒有其他意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
第11屆第2會期交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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好第52案到56案是營業費用的部分總共是19億8581萬餘元有三位委員提了5萬 |
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好大家都沒有補充說明好那這個機場公司有沒有針對委員三檢好凍結的部分這個前世主要用什麼的可以簡簡單單說一下嗎呃 |
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我想各位委員這一項我們主要是因應我們在營業主要是營業的相關的一些的作業的費用包含像有我們的包含我們有一些土地的費用租金等等會也部分在這裡面還有責救的攤銷部分的設備檢修我想這個部分也是我們一般在業務面所需要的 |
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預算。 |
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好,針對於52到56案。好,何清晨委員。好,謝謝趙偉。那我提的是52案。那其實剛剛就針對這個世界棒球12強台灣冠軍回國的動線不佳引起很多的紛擾,那國人也不太諒解。那剛剛在民航局的預算裡面我有著動,那我剛剛有講過 |
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13977.896 |
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這件事情雖然民航局還有我們部長有承諾要建立SOP但是呢不管是淘機也好民航局也好航警局也好或者是國安人員我都認為說都該負責任所以呢這個我在這個提案裡面是針對我們淘機的這個向下的預算科目著動一千萬而已所以呢希望淘機未來可以更積極而且有效率的而且更周全 |
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13978.957 |
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更專業的規劃好不好謝謝好那針對52案到56案營業費用的部分我們就融合各位委員的意見那林國成委員刪除啊人不在我們就看去他要不要刪50萬不要來好我們這裡又不是縣議會也不是鄉民代表大會你們刪50萬 |
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好那我們就遵照何清正委員的意見凍結一千萬提書面報告使得動之好有沒有其他意見沒有好接下來處理57到62案總共162億3700萬元 |
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14028.869 |
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14044.97 |
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林俊憲委員、李昆澤委員本席提第六十二案六十二案是關於淘機的第三航廈現在最近這幾年都在積極趕工明年編額150億但本席要提的是為了讓第三航廈趕工 |
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14046.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
14061.119 |
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工程會協助機場公司引進了1300位移工以補足工程勞力的短缺淘機引進這1300位結果跑了519位4成進了10個跑掉4個同時累積人數變為全國營造業逃跑移工其中有兩成是淘機公司貢獻的 |
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14073.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
14075.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
14103.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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14119.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14139.616 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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14139.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14163.509 |
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那其實我們對於相關的這種進度跟執行率我們覺得是大有問題就是說到113年度的8月為止有很多的計畫工程執行進度低於預計的執行進度當然是包括航廈的土建工程以及主體航廈基建的工程等等 |
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14165.25 |
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到113年底的預算恐怕是很難去執行完畢我是有提案三減五億元凍結五億這個部分就是說希望能夠符合相關的 |
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14182.663 |
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14193.707 |
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直行的進度當然如果說你們能夠拍胸脯保證就像董事長剛才說的明年3月我們的機場服務排名要衝進50名之內那我們給你機會 |
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14198.068 |
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14199.971 |
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一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
14216.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
14239.177 |
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能不能在114年度你們相關的計畫能不能如期的執行有沒有那個能力啦你能夠完成你需要這些經費預算那就編給你們如果我說委員我們大概只能做到80%那我們就大概就給你80幾%的預算嘛請你們來做說明 |
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14244.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14263.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14263.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14285.68 |
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我們得到的資料是工程進度普遍落後雖然只有2到3%但是因為你的經費是蠻多的這2%、3%的意義可能就是十幾億、二十億那這個部分到底怎麼樣能夠具體改善跟上這是一個問題那第二個是61案最主要還是我們一直在追的BMS這個到底 |
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14288.002 |
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14300.068 |
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到底這個航廈電車啊你們到底要怎麼去處理啊那現在已經NTP加270天了到底處理怎麼樣我們一直不知道所以我們希望把這個的部分這個5.71全數凍結 |
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14305.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14306.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
來,請淘汰公司說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
14334.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14351.726 |
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但是我們執行到11月已經支用了93億所以其實今年我們執行率一定百分之百而且近三個月的顧驗計價款的一個金額大概都已經達到12億這樣的一個左右的水準所以 |
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14352.768 |
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14382.048 |
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我們目前檢討起來在明年的T3裡面我們162裡面我們是框149.5是屬於T3這部分我們估計是一定可以來執行完成的依目前我們執行的情形那至於像剛剛魯張偉所提到的幾個標都一直有面臨這個出工人數不足這個問題我們也持續在要求我們的廠商必須要即便整體的環境是這樣但是我們還是需要 |
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14382.708 |
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14407.693 |
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直來努力那這個部分是我們目前來檢討期待在明年度的部分的執行是有把握的那第二個就是也補充一下趙偉有提到關心的PMS這個案子他目前廠商所提報出來的這些的相關文件也在我們設計顧問的審查那目前設計顧問審查的結果初步看還是有問題也 |
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14409.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14427.759 |
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退請單位我們後續會依約來做處理以上補充那我這邊幫你處理部長部長你要表達你剛剛是跟我眨眼答案好我以為你要講沒有啦因為是不是這麼難處理就預算我來幫你處理一下好不好那我們現在嘗試來處理一下 |
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14429.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14431.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
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14444.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14470.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
以目前的進度狀況剛剛總經理已經有說明那大家關心的進度的問題我們現在以現在抓的這個工項來講雖然出工人數有不足但是在工地的橫向的協調上面我們做了一些彌補所以目前的施工進度落後的現象我們是有信心可以趕回來的這是第一點那預算的滯用確實已經是超出原來的預估所以預算上面我們執行率可以達到百分之百這個也是沒有問題 |
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14471.741 |
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14497.577 |
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那至於剛剛提到的這個PMS的部分我們預約處理的意思是我們會做一個快速的處理所以這個案子因為它會跟第三航廈直接有關我們不會讓它影響到第三航廈後續的營運所以這個案子的經費的需求也是會照原來的原編預算我們會加錢來幹辦那移工的部分移工的部分剛才委員特別提到的 |
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14498.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14516.883 |
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現在的狀況已經大幅的改善我們今年半年以來的移工每個月有逃跑的移工大概都是個位數在全國來講應該算是很好的一個成績那剛才提到的這些數字是過去發生的現象因為大量的移工進到淘機那這個從源頭確實就開始發生的問題 |
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14520.284 |
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14542.402 |
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從原來的國家要過來的移工的國家的仲介跟我們這邊的仲介整個系統上有問題後來經過公共工程委員會吳哲展委員主任委員當時的這個協助之下包括勞動部等等我們把這個系統上的一個處理從源頭到現場的管理都做了改善所以以現況來講我們對移工的問題已經不再是過去那種現象以上簡單補充 |
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14545.713 |
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14560.121 |
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報告召委大概就像我們剛才向召委所說明的如果說他的這種預計的執行率跟實際的執行率都能夠符合那我就不會刪他們的預算 |
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我們都希望說這機場的工程趕快完成,如子如期的完成我們都是很實際的幫你們算你們預計的執行率跟實際的執行率到底能不能完成今天楊董事長在這邊是信心十足明年3月公服務效率被全世界排名50名之內了 |
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14586.758 |
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14606.13 |
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一半六十二月他都能夠執行完畢了明年很快就到了來我請召委來做採視了好那林國臣委員你提三五頁要不要表達一下意見還是沒有差你是第58案對 |
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14645.496 |
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好了,我代表林國雄講話好了,不要算了不是啦,這個我們還是以鼓勵作用啦,因為我在看你們現在編的這個前述的預算說實在的老大動一下啦好不好崑澤也是要刪啊崑澤你刪多少他沒有要刪 |
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14672.325 |
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沒有 就是剛才我有請他們做說明 林委員就是說 他們的 我是反對他們的這個執行度沒有辦法達成預期的目標啦當時軍團剛才是有可能斷言看破繭說執行度 實際的執行度跟預計的執行度能達成一定的目標如果他能達成 我們都希望這個港電金做得好啦如子如期的完成啦 |
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14674.192 |
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14702.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
那不然就先動一下吧好不好動一下再提好不好把它動一下啦動一下你們怎麼做要報告嘛我來融合一下融合一下這個我贊成您委員的這個說法啦報告詹委就是你們要怎麼去符合相關的執行的進度你們相關的做法必須更明確的說出來這個我是贊成您委員的這樣的說法 |
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14705.373 |
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14729.485 |
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不是 這個動的也不是你們不能用啊是你們要用什麼 要報告我講 對不對我本來是前三的啦因為董事長我不瞞你說你個人我是尊重的但是有時候你們講話你不是講說那個機場那個以後不會再發生可能你們還是油關車還是照樣在發生事故啊所以有很多事情我也知道你們現在機場的業務是很繁雜 |
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14732.466 |
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14740.737 |
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但是你最起碼的話這是第三行下第三行下的問題所以你先動了以後你要提報告再來那個啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14749.465 |
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第57到第62案固定資產建設改良擴充計劃專案計劃總金額162億3700萬元3減5千萬凍結5% |
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14776.363 |
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14782.76 |
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差不多啦 那個尾數都沒有弄到啦齁好不好好了 總統主席啦凍結5% 因為你金額比較大 我只幫你凍5%啦 好不好 |
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14785.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14788.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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14817.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14818.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
第63到67案固定資產建設改良擴充計劃一般建設及設備計劃 |
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14829.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14858.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─民航事業基金分預算為何他們今年的西側管道管線新建工程桃園機場聯外道路和道路排水整建工程南側共同管道基建工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14859.246 |
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14872.196 |
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到今年的施行率都只有個位數,只有差不多5%本期建立凍結五分之一,請進來工作提報告,如何提升以及為甚麼有些工程進度那麼慢提出檢討報告才能通知。謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
14895.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
最主要我是63案那也請他們說明其實我們都是希望你們的相關的執行率跟預計的進度都能夠符合所以才會提出相關的三點預算 |
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14923.806 |
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那你們能不能在這個我看你們到八月啊還有很多項目很多計畫執行率都偏低哦那113年底的預算有沒有辦法執行完畢啊第二個就是說你們的這個提案三減一億這個有沒有問題你們明確的說明好機場公司說明一下主要在做什麼然後執行率可以跟上嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14926.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
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14939.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
14966.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
另外就是剛剛包含林委員跟李委員所指教的我們有幾個案子的一個執行的確是受到一些因素的影響包含發包不順包含有一些是執行碰到介面所以部分的個案進度會比較慢執行率比較差這個是有的不過我們都在綜合來檢討整體的執行率是可以達到九成以上報告 |
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14968.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
14980.796 |
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好還有委員要補充說明嗎我們直接來處理一下好不好看看大家有沒有意見了齁針對63到67案固定資產建設改良擴充計劃一般建築及設備計劃3減1000萬好不好 |
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14987.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
14988.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15005.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15021.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
15033.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
15060.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
好 我們現在處理決議案68案 機場公司 中照辦理好 照案通過68案 照案通過69案 建議專案改書面報告 文字修正書面報告 這個若 若華委員 OK嗎那取三個月內提供 可以嗎三個月內提供 三個月內提供 OK 好中照辦理好 議事委員注意住 那個沒有辦法修改的給我們喔 |
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15062.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
15087.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
好是69案修正文字通過70案建議有一些文字要修正在最後最後那倒數第二行原要求淘氣公司三個月內110年每這幾個字刪除三個月內向立法院交通委員會提出素面進度報告以上 |
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15089.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
15090.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
七十一案建議文字修正專案改書面改書面有沒有問題 |
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15114.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
15141.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
不同意好那就是好專案啦齁你現在對啦也是要一兩個專案啦齁那這樣好不好第71案按照照案通過遵照辦理72案遵照辦理照案通過73案遵照辦理73案照案通過74案遵照辦理74案照案通過75案建議專案改書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
15146.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
15148.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
第75案 修正文字後通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
15149.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
15173.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
七十六案 遵照辦理七十六案 照案通過七十七案 遵照辦理七十七案 照案通過七十八案 遵照辦理七十八案 照案通過七十九案 遵照辦理七十九案 照案通過八十案建議文字修正建議刪除經交通委員會統一後使得動之這幾個文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
15174.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
15178.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
八十案修正文字後通過八十一案遵照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
15195.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
15215.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
81案照案通過82案遵照辦理82案照案通過83案遵照辦理83案照案通過接下來84案遵照辦理好84案照案通過85案建議文資修正專案改書面報告啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
15224.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
15225.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
稍等一下齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
15267.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
15294.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
好,謝謝各位委員辛苦了,各位觀演員辛苦了。好,目前協商完成,作以下宣告。第一,今日協商結論免予宣讀,授權議事人員整理,作為決議列入記錄。第二,委員要求提供書面報告及相關資料,請交通部及相關單位競訴以書面答覆。第三,如有委員對於提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報。 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
15299.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
15323.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
針對本日的會議做以下的決議一、本日預算審查結果照列或照協商結論通過第二、本日通過的決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整第三、114年度民航局單位預算民航事業作業基金非營業預算及桃園國際 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
15324.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
15330.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
桃園國際機場公司營業預算等三項預算案審查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
15358.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15359.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
辛苦辛苦處理一下就好 |