| IVOD_ID |
163901 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163901 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T11:22:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T11:39:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0ff42dc403ac3baa9b1cbd8f3401de56a656cd2b685a6ecb8252cafd17ebecc6f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:31 - 11:39:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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主席請部長好有請部長部長long time no see我想今天要特別請部長本一職權針對卓榮泰卓院長在花蓮發生這麼大的一個 |
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驗射服潰壩事件超過可能超過20人罹難的這麼大的一個災情8000多位災民23號發生9月23號9月24號部長到院長到花蓮就聲明要來查查相關的失職的責任部長部長 |
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能夠水落石出本席在這裡就這段時間所接觸到所有相關的政府作為我們在這裡照時間序大概順一下本席在這裡講我相信法務部昨天也看了本席質詢卓院長雖然態度很惡劣但是本席把所有關鍵點 |
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跟實際的證據都已經提出來了在這裡再請部長就所有查核的工作務必要公正 務必要查明從9月21號美國發現有這個驗射壺9月26號陽明交大也發現有這個驗射壺農業部成立了這個監測應變小組 |
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接下來就要去了解他到底有什麼因應積極的作為當事情發生整個光復鄉親華人上面這麼大的一個驗射壺當時啊大概一千多萬噸一千多萬噸的水一千多萬噸立方的水在上面然後 |
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地方不斷的提出立法院也針對驗射壺要處理台灣過去不是沒有處理驗射壺的經驗非常多次然後在8月13號立法院通過的丹拉斯颱風600億重建預算裡面把馬太安溪驗射壺已經放進去 |
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當時農業部長清楚回答沒有積極的危險好那本席就從8月13號之前在他說還沒有危險之前回溯到8月11號8月11號由花蓮縣政府光復相公所經濟部農業部共同開會 |
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針對艷澀湖事件當時已經從7月的1200萬方變成6000萬方就已經再三提醒經濟部 水利署必須要把兩個馬太安溪的開口題要把它補上強度要夠 |
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告訴經濟部我們看一下農業部的報告農業部正式提出的報告我們看一下馬太安西的開口題馬太安西的開口題馬太安西的開口題這兩個開口題 |
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這整個報告是完全拿農業部的報告本席在上面沒有多畫一條線上面的線跟標示全部是農業部標示出來的馬太安溪從上游流下來就是這個藍色的水線旁邊兩個開口題就是農業部認為會從這兩個題從這裡一流進去而且 |
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今年農業部為什麼提出來因為在去年11月的康瑞颱風就是從這裡淹進去已經從那裡淹進去了一個颱風就淹進去了更不要說現在上游有9100萬噸的立方的水在那裡農業部 上一張農業部的圖 |
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已經告訴他會從那裡進去8月11號的會議決議這邊強度 請經濟部補強強度要夠如果強度不夠的話水就會從那裡一煙進去剛剛 那張圖 |
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這邊這兩個缺口進去的地方就是佛祖街就是整個光復市區就從這裡進去從空照圖我們也看得很清楚就從這裡進去所有的調查務必屬實而且這是有會議決議並且有錄音檔現在地方政府跟中央部會開會都要有錄音 |
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以策安全都有錄音當時就講這兩個缺口一定要補一定要把它補住要有強度我們再看一下賴總統到花蓮不得了前進協調所的報告前進協調所的報告說15天10天還是15天就已經完成了5米高的堤防 |
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10月4號災後10月4號完成5米高的堤防10月11號還要完成表面強化防水作業那為什麼8月11號已經告訴他都不做因為什麼災後突然知道要做而且一口氣做了2800多米那災前為什麼不做會議有決議為什麼不做 |
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工人有沒有廢植植物再過來8月11號法務部要資料的話 縣政府應該都會給都有錄音檔還有會議決議8月11號要求大家協商以後農業部同意因為農業部在監測在監測這個驗測服 |
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當夜色湖只要只要一流一流還不是潰壩只要一流就必須要發海嘯警報結果發了沒有完全沒有發為什麼沒有發海嘯警報等到賴總統來花蓮前進協調所第一頁 |
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紀念城指揮官 政委報告第一頁就講 驗社福的警戒發布驗社福的警戒發布 就這張圖這全部是行政院自己的資料就必須要發海嘯警報 |
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行政院自己的資料就說要發海嘯警報8月11號花蓮縣政府關乎相公所農業部經濟部的會議決議越南政府只要一流就要發海嘯警報這是中央做的圖明5秒 停5秒 反覆9遍85秒 一個run 85秒要不斷地去發布 |
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結果艷澀湖潰壩沒有任何人民聽到聲音因為農業部沒有響海嘯警報這個都在8月11號的會議當中都講得非常的清楚不只有會議的決議還有錄音檔 |
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地方政府現在跟中央部會開會每一場都要錄音可能以後還要錄影接下來部長本席剛剛講這兩個決議您了解了嗎你可以再查核沒有關係可以嗎 |
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這部分委員關心的這個委員提到是不是有疏忽的一個問題我想這個花蓮地檢署在9月24號都已經主動來分案來做一個就是卓榮泰院長到花蓮發飆 |
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發飆說要就職 下午地檢署就出動了那個9月20日 那個因為第一時間第一時間發你地檢署就很關注這個問題了然後就是已經主動分案了那當然會看 會仔細調查看各環節有什麼樣的一個疏失的一個問題我想這個今年分案 我就對各案我就不表示意見了我就不表示意見了北溪市你查明清楚 |
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那我想這個這個剛才那個召委那個總裁有提到就是這個我想各個環節的應該調的資料應該做一個查證我現在發你記者書應該他會本席在這裡講就是不要這個事實又被吃案吃掉在這裡再讓你看一下什麼叫做土石流及大規模崩塌防災疏散避難作業規定第三條 |
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第二項第一款疏散避難的路線還有收容所的選定由農業部 人民會國防部 經濟部 交通部衛福部 內政部來輔導選定所有的避難收容計畫這個會沒有開過有開過 請法務部 |
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請行政委把會議記錄拿出來600人疏散的疏散計畫 有沒有8600人的疏散計畫 有沒有還不止第三條第二項第一款 還有第三項第四款 |
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所有收容所的整備工作要由五個部會來開會來輔導什麼時候開過會資料在哪裡本席已經把明確的資料在這裡公開再來這是法律規定再來撤離計畫 |
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撤離計畫 執行單位我想昨天部長也在現場本席講得很清楚經濟部的水災危險顯示地區疏散撤離標準作業中央督導 地方政府督導第五條第二項第五款第五條第二項第六款 |
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撤離的單位是哪個單位部長知道嗎負責強制撤離的單位是哪個單位這不就依法令的該誰去主辦的就是要去做一個處理不是嘛 本席問你您看過法律法條了沒有嘛或是災害防救法撤離作業的第十條撤離作業由鄉鎮公所負責這是法律明文規定 |
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但是你們有交過鄉鎮公所整個撤離計畫嗎行政院有嗎這七個部會有嗎再過來謠言遍地災害防救法 |
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對於謠言法辦的事情請問法務部現在有辦了哪一條災區的謠言嗎 有沒有這部分應該有發你地檢署來做一個處理我想這個他已經分案在做一個偵辦的而且這個是一個他案的一個所以所有的有些不法的我想這個都可以在這個案件來做一個處理因為法務部必須在第一時間以正視聽 |
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讓所有的謠言不會雞飛塵世法務部應該要像誰說了陳菊怎麼樣一天就查辦出來了誰說了行政院怎麼樣幾個小時就抓人了誰說賴總統不到半天就逮人了現在災區 |
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是比這些官員都還要重要因為他事案什麼時候能查辦出來請盡快跟本委員會提出查辦的實際的狀況謝謝部長 可以嗎 |
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這個偵查的內容 偵查的 這個我們尊重檢察官的偵查計畫因為偵查不公開 你可以把偵查計畫 偵查計畫也可以送來沒有關係啊偵查計畫我不能 也沒有關係 你說你能公布的公布出來就好嘛對不對 很簡單嘛 |
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進檢 消息比你們都還清楚嘛對不對 怎麼不要講這個進檢有哪一個消息他不知道不要提那些那還是我們要去進檢打聽部長 我們盡快把這些事情盡快把這些事情回憶名義好不好該查的要查在我們的權管之內 我們會來做一個處理謝謝該你們查的 盡快 |
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好 謝謝副委員 |