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會議時間 2024-12-18T16:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院黨團協商(事由:一、研商各黨團推舉社會公正人士組成「課程審議會委員審查會」相關事宜。二、研商「憲法訴訟法第三十條及第四十三條條文修正草案」、「憲法訴訟法第四條及第九十五條條文修正草案」等案。(國民黨黨團提議)三、研商「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」等案。(國民黨黨團提議)四、研商「警察人員人事條例修正第三十五條條文及增訂附表三草案」等案。(國民黨黨團提議)五、繼續研商「發展觀光條例第二條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」等案。(國民黨黨團提議)六、研商「公益揭弊者保護法草案」等案。(台灣民眾黨黨團提議)七、研商有關113年12月16日本院內政委員會第16次全體委員會議,議事程序之爭議相關事宜。(民進黨黨團提議))
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 麥克風測試、麥克風測試、一二三、一二三。
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 麥克風測試麥克風測試一二三一二三麥克風測試一二三一二三麥克風測試麥克風測試一二三一二三麥克風測試一二三一二三好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 麥克風測試、麥克風測試、一二三、一二三麥克風測試、麥克風測試、一二三、一二三
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 馬克風測試、馬克風測試、一二三、一二三無線測試、一二三、一二三
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 那個議事處聯絡一下各黨團,然後那個開會時間已到?國民黨團跟臺灣民眾黨團?他上次講過,他上次講過,他上次講過。蔓越真委員現在正在過來當中,我以為你都在路上。OK,好好好。
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 議事處人員把門打開一下好不好,因為人實在太多了,氧氣不夠了,來。我還沒看到,他們是在電梯,電梯在堵到,我看把那個門打開,人太多了。新聞界好朋友,謝謝大家,等一下我們來開草野協商,麻煩大家拍攝完畢以後,去把空間,謝謝大家啦,謝謝謝謝。
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 再次感謝各位新聞界好朋友,謝謝大家,因為我們有實況的轉播,謝謝大家。
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 政府長、各黨團我們馬上就開始,因為幾個委員現在被電梯堵住,對部長還有各位官員不好意思。各位坐後面的官員如果覺得筋骨太硬的話到外面要運動一下,自己從外面那個門出去動一下。好,我們馬上開始。
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 好,謝謝各位黨團幹部。今天現在三黨的幹部都已經到現場,我們可以開始如期開會。我們要特別謝謝教育部正部長再一次來立領導院裡面,為了我們今天的參與協商課綱的委員會的事情。然後...
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 部長您是不是先還是再一次,因為上次有些黨團幹部可能沒聽清楚,您在報告完沒有請您離席了,因為後面我們可以來討論好不好?這樣的話對你們、對黨團來講。我們先請教育部部長報告完就請他們離開好不好?不要浪費他們時間。請。部長您根據我們第一個...等一下,等一下主席。好那部長對不起,請稍待有黨團幹部有意見。院長。
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 今天我們要吵的學長吳愛芙就是要解決事情。那今天看到國民黨黨兵也沒有來。我們等會議起來再講好不好。很多事情是我跟同同到的,我把實話講給大家聽。
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 那我們稍微等一下,因為現在有幾個黨團因為電梯非常的擁擠,他們現在站在電梯路上。那柯總召稍微等副總召來他再講。那請大家稍微再等一下。
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 院長,課程委會照正常比喻不寫章,就發給大家簽一簽就好了,到時候?
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 那您跟所有官員就請先離開回去好嗎?這樣大家都輕鬆,好不好?好,謝謝。謝謝政部長、二次例領。那我們兩位各黨團來派自己的。我們會派出771,好,特別跟政部長報告一下。謝謝大家。771。771。我們771是根據慣例嘛。好。謝謝教育部政部長,謝謝各位教育部列席官員。好。
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 那本來就是請各位黨團幹部聽一下有關行政院函請推舉社會公正人士依照高推組成高級中學以下學校課程審議委員會審查會議案一政黨比例由國民黨推派七位民進黨推派七位台灣民眾黨團推派一位組成名單起於十二月二十六號
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 星期四中午十二點前送至議事處會診,預時視同放棄。各位在座黨團幹部都沒意見?好,謝謝。我先簽這個,我們一個一個來。請黨團幹部簽一下。
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 因為我們想了解因為這個是二十六號送這個議事處會診那這個時程會不會去影響他的遴選作業會不會影響這個整個的委員會的運作因為他二十四號就任期屆滿但是我們名單是二十六號才正式要去會診
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 所以第一個就是對於零選作業他會不會有影響然後呢第二個就是那他對於委員會審查會的運作會不會有實質的影響不曉得可不可以有那個24號
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 沒有問題的。我立刻跟教育部協調這個事情。如果他們沒有任何影響,我們就這樣照這個案。如果他們有影響,我再跟大家報告。好不好?好!好!謝謝!謝謝!
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 我特別補充報告教育部正式通知一月二十一號之前把名單送過去就OK了一月二十一號之前所以時間一定夠特別跟王宏威首席副學長報告一下
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 好,謝謝。好,請坐。各位黨團幹部、各位列席的官員、各位新聞界好朋友大家好。今天我們開始正式開始召開我們今天的草野協商。首先,柯建民總召對程序問題有意見,請表達。請柯建民總召注意聽好不好。我今天在這裡要表達就是說,我希望要有一個眾議院長好不好。立法院院長終於是一個
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 我會上非常重要的角色。所以今天特別請韓院長來主席抄一張。那我為什麼要這樣講呢?因為我中間我發很多文給你。我等一下一一署名。那院長說表示你可以來表示意見。第一個,我們對於這個整個什麼?第二個就是說,今天開會通知,發這個開會到晚上六點,然後時間可以彈性調整。這個到底是什麼玩意啊?
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 他想本來就是要每個人賣空。那故意安排在紅樓101,外部協商的時候各黨只會一直賣空,然後再做這種舞弊的行為。所以我先這個以上表示嚴重抗議。好,我現在開始講。
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 盧碧,我講完沒有?這個你盧碧接受了?我現在開始講,從這個有關於憲法,我們今天在爭議的就是憲法法當天把人圍起來,不讓人進去開會,然後自己開會,然後這個只要算數的話,我要請問院長,
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 以後宴會也可以如此吧。把門鎖起來不讓民黨進來,然後共產黨在裡面三如通過。請問韓院長你會配嗎?絕對不可能嘛。這國家不是這樣搞的。所以用這個邏輯來談今天整個我要談的事情。上禮拜五的時候,我們有當他協商的時候,我們說什麼事情到議事程序來。是不是?包括
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 我們答應的事情,包括增加法什麼都要通過。來,至於要表決項目,就原住民委員會組織法。那我也答應說,當我們發言完畢表決書就算了。至於後面我們要釋憲或是要進行訴訟,那是後面的程序。所以這個是非常重要。我們要確定這個原則。這樣院會以後才可以進行嘛。你沒有程序正義,你其他東西
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 其他都不必講了。所以我們在上禮拜五很誠意的包括跟副總召、大家的學長簽名。因為原文委員會主持法曾經在兩個禮拜全打過架。我不希望再這樣子。立法院不應該這樣。至少整個正義、程序正義鎖住。發言、發言完畢。表決後續程序我們要怎麼做。包括而後這幾個政大法案。
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 因為我在這裡談的就是說,從本月二十號,也就是禮拜五,到下一個月一月二十一號是我們休會期。這一個月時間是台灣最關鍵的時刻。
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 因為所有國民黨要毀憲端證、所有要憲法訴訟、什麼財務法法等等。包括這個警察人員、人事條例等等。所有國民黨要的法案全部集中在這裡。這一看這些法案都是大有問題。那不是國民黨認為它整個碾壓過去就可以得逞的。所以我這樣講的就是說
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 所以我們就想好了,我們希望就是說,誠意正義的維持,那我們輸了我們可以認,那這個是一個原則。上禮拜五也建型了,也拿到照這樣做。於是乎我們有看到,
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 一副很忠厚老實壯的問我說,要怎麼處理啊?我講的就是說,我們不希望有一個忠厚的院長,當然不希望有一個死炸的副總召,然後有一個違法的秘書長,等一下我要講秘書長的問題。這一點要先大家講清楚。這副總召一副老朋友壯,
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 十三條條文修正草案。.國民黨黨團提議.國民黨團提議.國民黨團提議
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 所以不管委會、院會都應該遵守這個原則,否則又要永無安寧是不是,這一點。所以吳文綺問我,我說是這樣的,沒有錯。我說我今天晚上,禮拜天晚上,她七點打電話給我,我說我今天晚上,禮拜天晚上八點,我找我們黨團所有幹部這一排都是,還有比這一排都更多的。
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 至少有一個基本的優先規則。所以我就告訴副分局說,我今天晚上八點,我會把我們整排的幹部找到我辦公室,我來遊說他們,我們不要打架。我們來建立立法院的典範,雖然我們少數,但是我們要照由許規則來,輸了只能算,沒有沒了。他要被釋憲再釋憲,要進行處分再進行處分,那是一回事。
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 這樣民主才會進行,還好不容易從建議時期犧牲了多少台南人,三十代台南人。然後七十年來,我們有走到這個民主,我們要好好珍惜,這是我們堅持的。況且我從事民主運動已經六十年了,如果六十年我就在黨外時期,到今天我還在堅持一個原則,
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 那表格書要領,但是我們至少要站在道理的裡面,領著民心。很差路照永遠弄不好啦。國民黨的百元智囊會倒,我們都看得陰間,看得很清楚。所以這是一個民主的基本原則,而且守護台灣,守護民主,這是民進黨的DNA。
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 好,那他們就開始下一秒鐘,因為我早就知道胡文綺和習近平還有國民黨有人在立法院出沒了。我們在晚上就看到你們在裡面出沒了。我就知道這些人略略風高,絕對不幹好事的。
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 所以他們下一秒鐘就馬上把兩個鐵門,一個鐵門拉下來,鎖起來。另外一個鐵門,他們全部進來。另外一個鐵門呢,用桌子擋住,阻卻民進黨人進入一場。一個天才叫徐曉清還用保鮮膜把門封起來,以為民進黨已經藏在裡面。
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 結果他們打開了那種扣成劑。這是那天場景。那場景裏面大家推舉造成的景象以及難看的場面電視都有在報。我想不必追溯了。於是乎我知道他們吵架。韓院長你都還不會忘記這禮拜一的事情。八點多我就打電話給韓院長。
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 今天這個憲法(那時候還沒九點五(今天這個憲法大家比較粗糙讀(然後你聽副委員的指揮(要下午排一個草委協商(草委協商排了很多法案(但是那時候排的法案還比較正常一點(從這個荷蘭公共條例開始(然後比較正常一點(然後老人福利法、作業福利法等等(
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 〔憲法訴訟法第三十條及財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案〕
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 請可以下午再來搞這一套。你聽我講,老闆娘,我承認你很迷你。對,這個好。我聽得懂。那你去跟副總召談一下。於是我馬上打電話,八點,八點多的時候,大概副總召,現在還在九雙餐手機。
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 我說那個不太影響吧。那就大家停下來協商就好了。我們既然要照程序來講,我已經將它拿回來。那我們開始發言,照程序來開會嘛。啊這個,我老朋友傅文綺又興起了他炒作股票的念頭。下一秒就通過了。
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 這樣一個培養力氣可以開花,這關會說的準正。啊另外,議會也是這樣。我今天下午還打電話跟我以前一個老朋友叫徐欣盈,他過去我們在新竹曾經跟我們合作過,還是老朋友。他是一個吃素的人,他也是妙天的,叫欠人為善。說徐欣盈,這樣會不會通?
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 所以後來,他們真的是這樣搞的時候,我很好意。我們所有黨團成員,非常生氣。吳士堯、代表黨團成員,這一場門口開記者會。
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 那是非常感動的一刻。因為我在辦公室裏面,胡志堯委員帶我們黨團成員所有人在議場上開會,表示嚴重的抗議。那我還好意的告訴我,馬上打電話給韓院長,這下他等一下去圍你喔,你要心理準備。我不是對你吵架,只要我跟他說一句就吵架了。
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 他們一似乎都到去找韓院長。那韓院長當然我打這個PASS他就敲頭了。我是好意啦。這個是不盡一餐。那一似乎他們要進入院長辦公室當然專來擋住。不能擅長沒有問題。
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 立法院審查委員審查公正人選法法.發生國民黨委員主動其他委員.到內政交通兩樓的關係簽到.發生重大衝突.嚴重影響立法院出席.本院委員的出席.在審議不完備底下.再次表示嚴重抗議.研究今天下午.
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transcript.whisperx[66].text 兩年中黨團協商請藍營黨折旗再開。你說說這個事情不處理的話,你再談法案就沒有用。同時我們法文給議事處,而且雲貴親送。我們叫我們黨團幹部到認證委員會,給認證委員會。
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 嚴任委員會召委就是說你不可以違法再發,否則你是我們絕對輿重法辦的。公務人員行政必須行政中立,不只到憲法院,不是到法院你都可以告你。你行政不中立,我現在嚴明在先,你不可以這樣亂搞,而且附上我們校就要曹偉強來解決這個事情,請你不要發文。好。
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 結果呢?
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 結果呢?
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 我們一個偉大所謂的立法院的佛祀典陳明恩我是拍下老虎了。 從來我還何嘗不認識他呢?
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 他既然可以
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 命令,因為這個委員會要發文,這個委員法的秘書長非常嚴重,院長已經考慮要移除了。他所謂的這個委員中心主義,叫他們發文,他審查報告出來,我們今天早上果然收到了。
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 這是何其離譜啊!一個立法院秘書長可以公然違法什麼叫委員會中心主義所謂委員會中心主義就是說所有法案要在委員會裡面合法討論不可近乎二讀請中央來找一個所謂的委員會中心主義是可以委員會可以瞎搞的委員中心主義給我看看這根本棄絕法律同時
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 當時,禮拜二那天你到立法院的中庭,那個街外賓室去跟我們,因為大家圍起來不能離開嘛。後來你就到立法院,我們黨團在立法院中庭那個街外賓室那裡,去跟我們所有黨團成員協商嘛。阿吳世堯啊等等,你所有的幹部都在那裡等我,等到韓院長一起發。
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 各黨團一個法院照理協商。所以這是很重要一個法律基礎就是之前《憲法》第六十八條。韓院長,你說前一陣子在這一條,而且我曾經跟你講過,我過去曾經罵你說歷史罪人,我真的可以很抱歉,但是那天我還在台上跟你講說,你可能
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 二、研商、「憲法訴訟法第三十三條及第四十三條條文修正草案。」等案。(國民黨黨團提議(
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 那這個東西要討論也有道理,你還不過格啊。所以我今天要講的就是說,我非常嚴肅,未來一個月是臺灣最深層的重能光劍。假如可以照藍白合起來,白的就不講,白的反正已經極速荒謬化。你們不想執政,我也同意。你這樣搞,連大法官事件出來你們都不認帳。
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transcript.whisperx[85].text 你們竟然可以不認帳大法案實現,那也不想執政,要破壞民主體系。但是呢,為了台灣民主繼續往前走,這是我們永不可能退卻的責任。所以今天,
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 在這個事情還沒釐清以前,我還是講一句話,所有這些脫離行為只要可以的話,立法院關門。所以這些我要講的重點就是說,假如沒有廚藝沒辦法做,而且我先發文給你,我們法案的審、法案的協商也不必談、也談不下去。但是呢,我很清楚,傅文綺打了廚藝之後,今天晚上開會到十二點。
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 條文修正草案。.國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 大家叫不來,我們全部發言完畢,表決書你算了,我們來實踐或者總統請你出問,可以。這是我們必須遵守原則。包括上次一樣嘛,上次國會擴展法案用這樣如此粗暴,尤其是然後其所表決。請問立法院還可以再這樣嗎?這樣的演出讓整個大法院釋出來,你們全部違憲。
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 國民黨得到什麼呢?難道這個教訓還不過嗎?所以重點禮拜五還有一個事情
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 我講副總召與韓院長包括今天沒有來的所謂那個黃國昌,禮拜五在後面本來政交法要通過,黃國昌反對嘛,後來黃國昌逼不得已再來簽了,說上禮拜五,說這個禮拜五要把他唸過去。欸,多少,人人這個也悔氣了,把他放到後面去了,放到後面的案子。
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 到底我們這條文修正草案是要做什麼(國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議.
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 那個影響國民非常深遠。請不要兒戲好不好。讓他講清楚。所以一概照律師規則、照程序來,大概要公為勝為。那韓院長我很感謝你一句話。那天我跟你講的,禮拜天,禮拜一早上我跟你講說,欸這個
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 大家照一致規則來,那個副總裁突然耍詐,他說:「欸,董事長,你要跟副總裁講,你們大家都擋斷邊,講話要說話,你要跟我聽聽這一句吧。」
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 代表你還懂得這個道理。但是呢,付總裁他懂得這個道理嗎?他以為他和南白合作的時候,國會過半,整個台灣是他們掌控,OK,會轉動全世界的樣子。我要講最後一句話。
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 臺北沒有法聯網請你請下去。臺北是一個是一個當時必須看會是合一致的必須遵從議事規則來。臺北沒有法聯網你放心。我這關你記不記得。以上請你想一想好不好。
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 謝謝柯總召第一輪的發言請國民黨跟臺灣民眾黨團一輪發言準備但是就柯總召剛剛垂詢的部分我快速回答第一個像時間、房間我特別報告過去我們慣例都302跟802但是今天302是黃國昌委員屆802是羅美林委員屆所以我們不得已的要借到101
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 二、國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議.
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 民眾誌第一一三零零一零三號(喊請協商院長是十二月十三號星期五五點下午五點十六分根正發文我們也通知三個黨團協商十二月十三號國民黨團再來一次協商這個來喊我們十二月十六號早上八點零二分再次根正發文並通知三個黨團協商在這裡跟各黨團報告一下請放心也相信我們原本不只要各位來
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 請,國民黨團一輪發言請。
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 雖然這一年來我們聽過很多次這三十年的故事run了很多次所以一講講半個小時剛好三十分鐘我們大家都有算了我也希望這三十分鐘未來的三十分鐘內不要有人來插嘴這基本的民主素養當然沒有民主素養的我們可以看清楚是哪一位啦好不好我要特別謝謝老柯啊這個從三十年欸欸欸你要去哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 所以你們大家看到了,現在我在發言,這個叫做民主紳士風度是這樣,我們大家也都看懂了。人民的眼睛是雪亮的,會清楚大家到底在朝野協商的時候到底在講什麼事情,特別明確一下。當然老柯也是中華民國國會的活字典,也真的是很不容易。
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 三十多年前,我看到從一個在野黨的陽春小立委﹖
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 我還是聽不懂到底哪一件事情是事實。
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 所以我們在這裡要特別剛好這麼多人來捧場我們就做一次講清楚到底是誰讓立法院的會開不成一笑國際大方是誰帶著黨團在進攻主席台讓會議沒有辦法開這個人民不是沒有看到
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 我在這裡還是要特別強調不要每一件事情不是作賊喊久了喊作賊一直喊久了就可以飢飛塵世指鹿為馬到底誰在破壞議事規則到底誰在癱瘓議事到底誰不讓大家來開會我們在講民主社會你在這裡要怎麼表達都是尊重所有的溝通都尊重但是到最後
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 民主就是數人頭嘛,都是代表民意嘛。但民進黨在現在這裡都是比拳頭啊。這個就很奇怪的事情。二十一世紀的國會還有在比拳頭的。那不是在數人頭,每一個人都代表他的民意嘛。所以我在這裡要特別強調,我三十年前認識的老柯不是這樣子的。
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 現在練就了一身的武功,真的是不得了,一天到晚顛倒是非。所以剛剛講得真的很幽默,禮拜天我打電話給他,還好現在這個IPhone記錄得有夠久,他說禮拜五一直找我,都是柯建民都是洪志,禮拜五禮拜六一直找我,到禮拜天還在找我。
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 現在我聽到老柯非常熱誠地講說,非常熱誠地說,非常熱誠地說,三十分鐘,不好意思,你講完三十分鐘,現在換我講三十分鐘。三十分鐘,我要特別表達,柯總統在電話裡面真的很熱誠,說是不是啊,我們可以,
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 結果黨內就開始炸鍋啦說啊他們已經禮拜天晚上就去排隊了怎麼樣然後那通電話我就主動問老柯我說欸現在是什麼狀況他說沒有沒有那個只是齁擺拍啦擺拍待會就沒有了所以我也在國民黨的大群組我也發
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 大家不要去雖然有幾位年輕的委員衝到立法院來但是我在大群組也有發大家不要過去就不要過去了禮拜一早上再來那大群組都有留文字都很清楚這個至少在禮拜天雙方都還是有誠意沒有誤判但是在禮拜一我們早上六點假凍因為啊
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 所以我們六點鐘到,要確認幾件事情。第一個,門可以打開。第二個,確定麥克風不要又被搶了還是被折斷了。因為每一次麥克風不是被拔斷了,就是丟到哪裡去,主席臺北弄的一套糊塗。這個都是大家在電視上一天到晚看的。民進黨是長夜慣犯。我們要確保禮拜一是可以開會的。
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 所以院長把麥克風我們才知道說那天麥克風還要等到人來開麥克風開箱才有麥克風結果再發現更誇張的一件事情這是2024年的中華民國國會啊既然說沒有筆電啊說不能開會沒辦法連線啊筆電裡面還必須要有程式我聽了更傻眼了
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 這就不曉得哪裡內政通了外鬼。國民黨團沒有人知道要筆電才能開會。哇!民進黨立委不得了啊!攔路打劫啊!把內政委員會的三台筆電都搶走了。他真的是不能開會了。真的沒有辦法開會了。我們還冒的從二樓跳下去。
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 打電話(國民黨黨團提議(打給柯總召(打給柯總召(打給柯總召(打給柯總召(打給柯總召(打給柯總召(打給柯總召(打給柯總召(
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 在走廊的衝突是不是給他結束讓大家進來開會柯總召說
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 大家都不要有誰受到身體的傷害。所以,既然是這樣,因為老柯都已經沒有辦法promise說現在怎麼樣。所以呢,所以呢,所以呢,我們決議上個禮拜五,草野協商,我們請柯總召是不是能簽字,
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 大家能夠坐在座位上好好開會
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 再看看多少天前的內政委員會是怎麼樣?為什麼大家不能開會?為什麼換了會議室,議事人員還被禁錮在裡面不能出來?這是柯總商的荊軻玉立。只要你不寫完這個法案,立法院就不能開會。這真的是笑話。不過,我也了解今天啊,
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 對 這個昨 禮拜一在草野協商民進黨不管是文攻武嚇還是今天說實在我們都不是被嚇大的啦我還是要再講一次啦今天這個黃國昌黃總召沒有來大概知道說啊一個草野協商你不是提案的
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 委員或者是該委員會的召委是不可以在這裡的。從第一個會期,第一次召委協商就講到現在。結果柯總召在這裡呼風喚雨二十年。今天來召委協商鬧得大陣啦。這鬧不到啦。這不是審判法啦。這每一個都有關係的。每一個委員會的關係。是比人多的。
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 那院長啊,這種草案實際上還有它的意義嗎?全部都讓人難!當時早就長好的遊戲規則,每每破壞遊戲規則,就是柯總召!柯總召現在是立法院的神啊!立法院的神啊!你不是當王而已啊!你不是王而已啊!你是神啊!二十年的神啊!
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 蘇嘉全院長在2016年
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 四月二十九號上午十點(在本院的議場宣布(這是民進黨選出來的院長(在議場宣布(為落實本院協商(今後議事交付協商(黨團務必召集(
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 如果黨團沒有召集、院會再不處理(是(是(黨團(召集協商後(無法達成共識(十一立法院職權歧視法七十一條之一項(規定處理交院會處理(所以(不管是(憲法訴訟法(還是財劃法(都已經經過(
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 出委員會之後都已經有
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 委會召集、委會召委召集各黨團草野協商(都已經記錄在案。﹏嗯,還有院長協商呢﹏今天﹏對不起﹏什麼對不起﹏二零一五年﹏民進黨的院長已經宣布了﹏宣布什麼﹏院會的決議﹏好﹏我們再一次的表達﹏還要經過委會的院長協商﹏等到柯建民當院長的時候﹏再來宣布新的案例﹏好﹏我們在這裡啊﹏再一次的表達﹏
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 已經委會.國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議.國民黨黨團提議.
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 我們在十一月十五號提出了請求請協商、院長協商憲法訴訟法
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 十一月二十五號再次請求院長協商憲法訴訟法。然後在十三號再一次的請求院長協商憲法訴訟法。所以不要侮賴韓院長。不要侮賴韓院長。
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 依照請求的時間別來排序,這也是非常合理的。11月15號就敦請院長召集憲法訴訟法的協商。所以我們本黨在12月13號
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 國民黨沒有必要參加今天這樣的一個協商這就是沒有實質協商怎麼?要去跟習近平報告囉?要去跟習近平報告囉?是不是?要去跟習近平報告囉?你不要講話!你不要講話!
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 非常不好,但是我還是要問一下臺灣民眾黨他有一輪發言的機會,他要不要講話。我們程序一定要暫穩講。他講的多講的少或他不講話是他的權利,但他有這個權利。麥玉珍委員如果你要一輪發言請發言。
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 這樣的時間浪費在那邊,誰要負責?所有的官員他們來了,他們要不要領薪水?所有大家來的,要不要領薪水?這些政府的預算,人民的預算,誰來賠?所以這個是醫生規則嗎?這個是醫生規則嗎?我不懂,我只要問一下。因為內政委員要開會,所有在那邊,一半以上不是內政委員的。所以我們在裡面等。在那邊等。
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 蔓委員,看我的眼睛,你講話了嗎?謝謝你的發言,謝謝。我要講一句話了吧,鬼我講一句話。蔓委員,你剛剛說今天這個開會,蔓一貞委員,你看一下我今天這個開會這個氣氛啊,我們看到柯總召跟副總召前半場他們互相像瓊瑤的愛情小說,我認識你十二十年,後半場像金庸武俠小說,所以我在想,今天的氣氛是草野協商有史以來最差的一次。我特別要拜託大家。
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IVOD_ID 16387
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16387
日期 2024-12-18
會議資料.會議代碼 黨團協商-2024121802
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.種類 黨團協商
會議資料.標題 立法院朝野黨團協商
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2024-12-18T15:34:49+08:00
結束時間 2024-12-18T17:18:00+08:00
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