| IVOD_ID |
163868 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163868 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T10:22:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T10:33:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0b795e43f2c9e967ccea2f7e777e01e95522ce05ac16c040098574eeade4413eb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:56 - 10:33:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、勞動部部長及衛生福利部部長針對「災後復原重建及清理因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另邀請國防部、經濟部、內政部、賑災基金會列席備詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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郭政軍委員發言主席好我們一樣請衛福部時部長有請衛福部時部長 |
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教育部長好我想請問你10月2號在苗栗發生隨機砍人的這個案子這一個人刑滿處以不到半年就拿刀在街上砍三個人那其中兩個還是國小的女童那這名嫌犯十年前就在同一個地方同樣的手法砍人造成四人受傷 |
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被判9年多的這個刑期上次入獄也是因為這個隨機殺人而入獄但當然啦 他確實有這個吸毒的記錄也有毒品的反應那也有暴力的前科 等於就是說他是那種吸毒又殺人的這種高風險個案那這個案子 部長你應該有基本的了解吧 |
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有跟委員報告確實他是因為殺人未遂入獄那麼也服刑8年多他是服刑期滿出獄那因為他過去有這個吸毒的前科所以我們在他我知道記得他是3月23號出獄我們3月28號呢我們那個苗栗的那個毒房中心毒品防治中心呢就把他這個列入這個個案管理了 |
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我知道 你先聽我講那這個案子全國關注嘛 社會政經那可是我發現中央部會好像都是刻意在降溫我們衛福部在這個整個過程中目前來講就只有在防毒這個部分來做這個角色 對不對 |
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那沒有人任何沒有其他任何可以介入或預防甚至提早預警的這個機制嗎我要問的是這個跟委員報告因為我們在我們部的業務裡面大概在社安網裡面會關注兩個議題一個當然就是物質濫用的問題一個是有沒有這個精神 |
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的問題這個是我們就可以來處理因為他這個算是矯正無效然後回到社會上然後等到這個爆炸了之後現在大家才關心這個問題那當然我們根據矯正署的回應這個人在服刑期間暴力打架屢次違規矯正署說難收矯正之效那請問部長從監獄到出獄衛福部有沒有接到任何通報那個矯正署通報 |
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你說出獄的時候從他在裡面的時候在監獄裡面到出獄這一段時間衛福部有沒有收到通告在入獄的時候在服刑中當然是沒有所以我請問這個要打架幾次要幾次暴力要殺幾個人才需要通報呢這個我們過去沒有這個 |
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那他十年前就砍人了嘛那在監獄裡面他表現又是這樣結果未達標準這個標準是不是有必要檢討我現在講的這個重點啦當然今天不是叫你說來扛全部的責任我只是說是不是我們的機制上我們部會跨部會的這個部分聯繫上是不是出了問題這才是我們要討論的啦 |
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那服刑期間這個人這個有長期的要飲食那衛福部這個有沒有提供任何的要飲治療在他出獄之後我們有提供這個戒指我是在裡面的時候 |
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我們在那個矯正器官裡面也有提供介質就是那個替代有心理做輔導那些都有做嘛所以他在裡面那如果說他這樣子算是正常出來的喔所以你們是認為他是沒有問題出來的 |
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看這個個案他分別在6月7月都還有驗過那個驗尿那是沒有毒品反應的對啦因為他上次我要講重點就是說他上次是因為殺人而入獄那當然因為他有吸毒可是我們防毒中心他追蹤他的原因不是因為他殺人而是他吸毒對所以這個問題當然我也覺得我們社工在這個這個訪視的時候這個他是一個人去還是有警察單位陪同 |
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我們一般是沒有絕對有警察人員陪同啦對啊所以這個我認為這個我們社工的安全也很重要啊是這雖然是發生了這個隨機砍人可是我們在訪我也接到很多社工的這個陳情他們其實在這個訪視這種案例的時候其實是會怕的而且我請這個我們部裡面啊這個部分可能要再做一個調整啊那因為 |
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獨衛中心他可能只是驗尿他不是看個人他也不管你什麼殺人不殺人嘛 對不對因為他有這個案子有這種傾向我覺得我們是不是要再來做一個更明確的一個控制加強跟警政之間的聯繫 |
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對啊 因為社安網我知道都有通報它只能防家暴 防自殺但防不了隨即殺人 對不對你們把最危險的人放在這個網外就已經直接放生了這個是非常危險的像這種 |
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在獄中我剛剛講這些狀況我希望你們跟矯正署這邊都能來做一個聯繫不是說他沒有精神疾病或者是怎麼樣我們就把他就不管了而且我發現還有一件事情你可能回去要了解一下就是他在你們在這個他出獄這段時間好像也有他們好像也採了幾次尿你們有去訪視幾次嗎他也有通報然後回去採尿 |
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可是他兩次好像兩次還是三次的狀況是沒有毒品反應的但是這一次據我了解他是有陽性反應 |
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所以這個在檢視上是不是漏了什麼你懂我意思嗎這個我認為他是出來就開始吃啦應該是有這種習慣他還是戒不了所以這個部分我們毒味中心雖然去採了尿但是現在的人很聰明他不用 他要在訪視之前他可能前十天二十天他都可以停止嘛 對不對然後你也採不到啊所以這個問題我覺得是一個很大的漏洞 |
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請部長回去然後我講了就是第一個我就整理整個事情第一個漏洞就是一個人在獄中一直打架然後暴力違規然後剿政署自己也這樣做了一個評論說難收剿制所以在這個部分呢我覺得衛福部必須要有心理師馬上介入而且要回報要通報那第二個漏洞呢就是出獄權有沒有做風險評估這個他在裡面狀況也不是很好 |
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他在裡面算是壞學生這種的你還讓他出來你們也沒有做追蹤這個就是第二個漏洞那第三個漏洞就是說我們必須要有強制通報的一個機制 |
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那我這樣講啦今天就要求三件事情第一修法啦衛福部應該推動高風險個案強制通報的一個制度把暴力加要飲這些符合高風險的者納入這個法定通報的範圍那第二個列管 |
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凡具暴力前科 要隱背景者應納入社安網追蹤名單並分級管理 這個要做分級啦那我們的社工才會安全 然後定期的評估那第三 中央要建立跨部會資料共享平台 矯正署衛福部還有地方衛生局警政單位必須同步掌握我們這些出獄的風險評估與移交的報告這個部長可以做到嗎可以 |
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我們跟矯正法務部來討論我希望你趕快把這個事情把它完成那另外關於馬太安溪的這個震災基金我想先請你看兩張圖 |
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這一張是行政院的宣傳圖寫著中央三方案另一張是震災基金會通告公告在網站上的資料截至10月7日合計撥款4億7365萬元至衛福部的這個帳戶裡面那你們報告寫說家園支持方案妥善運用各界對震災基金會之善緩那請問部長這兩張圖 |
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跟你們的報告是講同一件事嗎 是同一筆錢嗎同一個 生活支持這邊有一個都是針對馬太安溪艷澀湖的災後補助同樣的日期 同樣的金額 同樣的對象 但只有一個差別行政院說中央加碼衛福部說跟基金會說是人民捐款所以部長是誰在說謊 |
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這有一部分是屬於中央的那個預算那為什麼他基金會裡面編出來的錢都是一模一樣的那個是由特別預算來你注意看我剛剛兩張圖啊基金會跟我們公告出來是一模一樣的所以到底是誰錢少了 |
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你說中央有負擔一部分對 負擔一部分可是沒有啊 他為什麼他捐款的證明都已經寫出來了前一張的話委員這邊右邊有三筆款項有一個10萬的未住金 家園未住金那我們總統到花蓮去講說要加碼那中央加碼20萬元的那一刻就在說謊了不是嗎那20萬元在裡面嗎 |
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就是在那個家園的這個對呀 那是人家 那是災民的不是 那是我們老百姓的善款怎麼會變成中央加碼呢我想這個都是衡量所有的這個災民的需要人民捐錢是希望啦 受災的鄉親而不是讓行政院拿去印圖卡開記者會拿人民的善心演政府的良心那請你回去告訴我們總統還有我們行政院 |
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政府要宣財是可以的但至少要說真話你不能把我們老百姓的這些善款然後變成你們的功勞好像你們做了多大的事情一樣這個不能抹煞這些熱心的老百姓有良心的老百姓有愛心的老百姓這樣可以嗎 |
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所有的善款都會充分的運用到那麼需要的對象我現在不是說你用在不對的地方我只是說你們在宣傳的時候不能拿著老百姓捐的錢說你政府給的啊對不對所有的預算的來源我們都會把它標註的很清楚謝謝部長謝謝委員謝謝 |