| IVOD_ID |
163843 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163843 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T09:46:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T09:58:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0cbc73d08d3fcdefccea2f7e777e01e95522ce05ac16c0400f9f7472ed2d1f4185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:46:04 - 09:58:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、勞動部部長及衛生福利部部長針對「災後復原重建及清理因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另邀請國防部、經濟部、內政部、賑災基金會列席備詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 有請洪部長有請洪部長洪部長 勞動部洪部長 謝謝你好久不見 |
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大家都知道這個馬太安的這個災民他們現在是忙著做清理家園的工作那短期內很難恢復正常的這個工作我知道勞動部北分署有啟動 剛剛你也稍微點了一下天然災害臨時工作措施而且制裁這個預案及審當日核定的這個原則 |
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有職缺有登記那就盡快錄取那在光復鄉我知道也有設有這個臨時的服務台也主動派員深入到蒐融中心去了解這個民眾辦理的情形辦理登記的情形這些都做得很好但我想請教部長目前申請媒合的狀況如何是否能夠比照過去的災害經驗就是說又有一點以公待政的機制還是你認為現在的做法就是以公待政 |
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跟文說明因為的確在前兩週其實在災區因為志工的數量非常的龐大所以其實這個階段我說在前面這個清理的階段其實有很多的需求確實是可能很多 |
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需要勞動力來協助的部分其實就是透過志工來處理所以目前的確對於來申請這個我們這個天安災害的臨時工作的計畫人數比較少目前大概50個人但是我們有預期可能進入到比方說後續的重建的階段如果志工的數量會降低一點的時候所以您支持是以公代政嗎一個比較長期的做法 |
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其實這個我們的這個範圍比以供範圍更廣那因為現在在講的所謂以供待政其實是依照這個設救法那他比較是針對低收入戶或中低收入戶的短期臨時工作那我們現在就是委員現在在螢幕上面看的這天然災害臨時工作計劃其實範圍是更廣的 |
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那相關的災害或災民其實都可以適用部長您講的是重點天災看似是彌平一切的自然力量可是很多研究跟報告指出來事實上來自天災的損害其實不是每個族群都是平等的 |
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随着阶级性别甚至所谓的族群或城乡差距每个人受到灾害的冲击是不太一样的所以部长就是说请你提醒您在推动这些临时工作措施的时候能够特别注意到脆弱族群 |
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就是脆弱族群可以更多的保障跟支持好嗎我跟文說明因為我們其實現在是請我們的北分署那我們的這個育理的這個就業中心其實是主動的來聯繫包括地方政府包括鄉鎮公所因為現在確實現在還有一些混亂有的時候這個現場的公務員不一定有這麼多的餘裕來做這個虛工計畫的申請我們現在都是請我們的北分署主動來幫他協助完成這些文件 |
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那就是說你也剛才提到移工待任就是幫助這所謂的弱勢族群比較一個需要一個長期我們這可能不只是弱勢族群是現在的災民其實所有的都可以來跟我們申請這個臨時臨工計劃那主席麻煩請石部長 |
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謝謝市部長 那我就一邊講了接下來從政之路會很漫長那台灣人真的很暖 國軍救難隊 志工還有這個在地鄉親都全部投入那大家都希望這個因為物資跟善款也不斷湧進來那我們都希望這個能夠用到真的用在災民身上你剛剛也稍微提了一下不過我還是想請教部長目前這個政災基金會募了多少款項 |
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我們統計到昨天的話是28萬多筆那一共超過10億因為超過了目標嘛那是不是可以簡單請你說明一下你這個優先次序是怎麼來做的你剛剛有分的大概三項啦那優先次序的思考是什麼 |
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跟委員報告上第一個是那個慰問金這個是我們法定要給的那就是死亡失蹤跟重傷所以這個是第一塊我們優先去發放的那第二個是生活支持的部分生活支持所以生活支持就是我們過去像0403我們最多的善款是發 |
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是用在那個房屋的重建但是現在比較這一次不是房屋的整個倒塌受損比較沒有那麼嚴重但是清理很麻煩那個淤泥所以我們是用家園支持清理支持的部分我可以這樣說嗎因為你已經目到超過預期目標所以算是可以同步在做對那這些這些都是現在在發放的 |
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就是現在暫時服務同時在做這些事情預期大概就是5億目前已經轉過來的大概是4.7億你沒有設截止日嗎有有有我們是對我們從9月25到10月24號那部長這個 |
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會不會用在那個馬太安居民的一個災民的硬體設施重建就是說可不可以用在幫助災民整修房子還是只能說重建跟重構呢因為為什麼這樣問因為賴總統前幾天他說一戶房屋修復救助金一戶20萬那請問這個20萬元是來自你的政災基金嗎就是來自你的政災基金喔這樣子喔那這樣子就是一戶有35萬 |
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從你這邊拿就是10萬是從那個內政部的那個特別預算25萬從這個基金政災基金所以總統可以自己決定政災基金怎麼用沒有這個也是我沒有說否定但是說政災基金 |
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是這樣子用的 也是討論完之後其實我老實說就是說震災基金你應該有個委員會在管理這些嘛那我們也知道其實20萬也不是足夠的啦那剛剛你有提到就是說到底誰來決定這怎麼用嘛 |
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好 那我明白了就是賴總統講的其實就是來自政災基金啦那我現在請部長回來就是太平村跟大同村因為他們受創嚴重所以這個國土署有進場評估是不是要遷村這很嚴重啊那請問這個善款可以用在協助遷村嗎 |
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我們過去是有那個中繼屋就是有兩種啦一種我們本來的項目裡面有一種是屬於叫做安簽啦一個是租屋啦這個都是比較短期的長期來講如果 |
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如果是千村因為那個整個都等於是要去建房子部長我就提出來先想想看因為他們在評估啦這也是事實兩個村嘛最嚴重那另外就是我們想要再講一下雖然我信任是部長但是我還是請公開說明一下對社會這些算款你有沒有公開明細會不會資訊透明這個非常重要因為大家來自全國的愛心捐款我們大家都希望能夠用在災民身上所以我們最後會看到這些 |
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資料對嗎對對全部都會公開好那今天好多個部會的首長都在這裡我也說今天等於是大觀雲集三個部長在這裡我也希望大家能夠一起聽見地方的聲音衛福部你現在有提供剛剛有提到7加7的這個住宿補貼這個性質比較像安心計畫因為目的是一個比較緊急的一個避難好像有意願的民眾不多不多 |
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我想特別分享東華大學民主發展及這個社工系的黃教授黃英華教授講他剛剛提到中繼安置他應該是災後安置的一個決策核心因為他的精神不是說臨時住一下而是說要給族人跟這個居民一個妥適安全的地方讓他們凝聚社群 |
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然後他們一起討論重建一起清理家園因為這樣才能讓災民在比較有尊嚴的情況下生活而且能夠增加族群的韌性甚至把災民納入這個重建的這個決策核心因為部長對部落而言傳統部落的組織跟教會系統是重建的核心力量 |
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那對於平地的社區來說 村里長這個當地頭人 宮廟都是非常重要基礎但是目前的政策比較停留在這個安置旅館的安置或者物資的發放比較忽略了社區的原有的支持網絡因為如果你再把它分散安置的話那可能反而切斷這個社會的連結讓脆弱家庭比較就更容易遇到大風險我強調的就是說重要決策是不是也有災民的這個加入參與那當然要跨部會啦要跨部會 |
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我就是提醒一下就是那個原來的族群的網絡他們的韌性很重要那我想請教你跟委員報告在過去上一次0403花蓮地震的時候我們也有一部分這個善款去協助他們恢復那個原鄉的那個活動中心注意到他們族群他們原來的生活形態不要太多的改變 |
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部長那接下來請再給我一兩分鐘部長那個醫療資源的分配這個板橋醫院的招商案本來是有一所499床的大型區域醫院但是後來因為考慮到近期政策調整還有整個營運狀況他撤案了那選擇撤回那我要先肯定就是說健保署的政策因為您去年就說健保會限制那個病床特約病床的那個數量 |
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那不一定全是開放比如說一個一家醫院他該500床那你是分年慢慢的開放可能分到三到五年的時間這個是我肯定很正確一步為什麼呢因為醫療資源有限應該配置在真正缺乏地區而不是在醫療資源已經很豐富的雙北雙北這個蓋大樓加病床那但是目前 |
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部長現在還允許加蓋的增加病床有1.2萬床我應該講的沒有錯吧靠近這個數字請問部長這些你有沒有盤點這個病床的分佈合理嗎有沒有開始全面檢討就是說你是不是要往真正缺乏的地方偏鄉啦或是一些急救量能不足的地方你不能在社區這個都會區的醫院繼續重複投資啊你要不要重新盤點一次 |
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既然你做了第一件事我非常支持委員的這個方向是我完全支持所以現在有兩個一個就是會盤點資源折優特約的概念不能都擠在 缺的還是缺第二個 |
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你要在新擴床的 或者是要新蓋醫院的你要這個醫院要符合四大要件你現在有權利做這件事 我知道你願意做這個是對大家都是好 醫院也好 對民眾也好最後一張請你看像這樣圖我9月底去參觀這個台北國際照顧博覽會你看國衛院 國衛院是全國最高的研究機構你看它的攤位那麼大 那麼寬敞 左邊這個圖 |
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四個簡單的這個展示板內容平凡兩個值班人就坐在座位上滑手機我們進去的也不理 出來也不理但沒有招呼你看旁邊那個我弄小一點的你看人家攤位小小很熱鬧內容豐富 積極招呼整個成為鮮明的對比不然你覺得這樣國務院剛符合國家級最高的研究專業機構嗎謝謝委員對我們部的肯定我們部的攤位還不錯 |
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694.581 |
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那國衛院因為他可能他的屬性上他的那個學術研究為主你不去展覽你就是要熱情你去 我跟你看他們根本不理我們啊不理誰都沒關係走進去出來沒有人理他們在滑手機啊我會來了解然後讓他能夠更貼近現在是你的權責是不是好好這個展覽規劃你要報名 你看房間這麼大反正可能很有錢啊你看人家都小小一個可是很熱鬧啊 |
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714.987 |
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725.924 |
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這樣你叫我去審查國務院的預算啦好好你同意吧我會來了解我親自去照相照回來給你看喔好好吧 謝謝部長好 謝謝委員 |