| IVOD_ID |
163826 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163826 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-07T15:01:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-07T15:17:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7828e564de0d60cb48f7b80d928cc741ac1daff01b5f928259e7dd61fff6f80174376f4625cb93f75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:01:33 - 15:17:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝謝謝院長我們是請這個卓院長還有內政部還有農業部的麻煩再請卓院長內政部農業部備詢 |
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這次花蓮光復鄉的事情我們來釐清幾件事情我想先請問農業部我們是不是有一個叫做縣社府警戒監測測理與演練的方案這是什麼時候發布的 |
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這是在莫拉克台灣完了以後因為因應很多相關的所以是98年的時候奉抱怨合訂的一個方案那這件事情是全台灣所有縣市長跟縣市政府應該都知道有這件事對好第二個請這個劉部長 |
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花蓮縣平均每兩年都有一個叫做花蓮縣地區災害防救計畫報到內政部或消防署這些資料現在都網路上都找得到對不對那我現在給各位看的這個是113年1月的版本這目前在網路上花蓮縣最新的版本在他們的報告的第三篇的第三章 |
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第三節啊裡頭就有一個關於這個土石流關於大規模的這種災害要做的事情這本報告是花蓮縣政府寫的 |
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劉部長 這個每一個縣市都有這本計畫是的 每兩年要更新一次每兩年更新一次那最近一次更新應該是114年好 這113年給的初稿那114年應該有新的版本這個計畫也是中央補助各縣市的協力團隊一起來完成這一本報告都七八八頁喔然後這些是花蓮縣政府自己擬的嘛 對不對 |
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對 但是他也是參考各種不同的食物經驗裡面是22種不同的災害裡面有各式各樣災害的疏散計畫所以我就請問這個農業部長這一次的這一個災害花蓮縣政府在9月的時候 |
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他們有沒有開會在討論疏散計畫有沒有在應變中心的時候說他們有疏散計畫然後呢 實際上大馬村 關戶鄉的大馬村村長說 有啊 中央卡通的服務員啊中央打電話給我們啊 叫我們趕快疏散啊 |
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這到底怎麼回事 你可不可以還原一下因為今天早上啊 副軍級總召一副就說 我也不知道要怎麼疏散啊啊你中央都沒倒三缸啊 我也不知道要怎麼疏散啊明明在街尾都寫在這裡 都自己寫的寫到大馬村的村長因為九月份我有看到一個文件花蓮縣光復鄉各村啊 |
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每一村都有一張疏散的地圖嘛我相信那個村長就拿那個疏散地圖把他們的村民疏散到該去的地方對不對 |
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我跟委員報告就是從7269驗證服成立專案小組以來我們不斷的從監測裡面得到的數據跟地方政府分享跟公所分享那在花家渣颱風的最近之前最近的一次是9月17號17號的時候他們縣政府有開相關的會議那那個會議最主要是要因應9月19號 |
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跨部會的專案小組要去提報因為之前跟縣政府提說他們要盡快的研擬相關的計畫但是他們一直沒辦法完整的研擬出來所以在在9月17號他們研擬不出來有沒有求救啊有沒有叫中央倒三槓一下我們就嚇不出來啊 |
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因為他的會議紀錄是9月30號9月10號開會 9月30號才提供的那我們從他的會議紀錄裡面來其實有一個非常重要就是我們那時候還沒有畫家紮颱風所以那個時候的一些 |
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這個公務環環就算了啦 劉副長 你在應變中心當指揮官嘛花蓮縣不管是管到 副管到參加會議 不管是視訊什麼 什麼會議就對了這個過程當中啊 他們到底有沒有說我們花蓮縣真的不知道處理被請人請背後我們真的沒辦法啦 拜託啦 中央幫我們調查一下這樣的求救的訊號到底有沒有出來啦 |
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報告王委員我是在華家沙颱風海警的時候就在中央處理這個有關災害應變的部分也就是全台灣各地台東屏東都加在內其實我們都陸陸續續通知他有這件事情需要好好的處理所以我舉一個很簡單的例子在9月22日下午3點的時候那個時候是整個 |
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總統跟行政院長都有到中央災害應變中心那時候是由顏新章副縣長他來跟總統做視訊上面的對話我把很簡單的文字跟委員報告一下總統院長中央的長官大家午安花蓮縣副縣長顏新章報告因為我們縣長在國外馬上要趕回來了所以要跟總統報告 |
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對於華家沙台風的部分有其他的黃色警箭但是比較重要的是有關艷澀湖撤離的部分我們的兵力預置在三個鄉鎮光復鄉鳳林鎮和萬榮鄉總共有國防部派出的中型戰術輪車8輛救護車1輛兵力54名警消協作105名還有替代役13名總共157名可以隨時申請收容人數的部分三個鄉鎮總共有1837戶這是我們告訴他的 |
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實際居住人數6843人收容地點有光復商職鳳林鎮樂活會館萬榮國小活動中心三處收容總共有130人一清有1365人垂直避難有5348人也就是說顏新章副縣長在中央災害應變中心跟總統跟院長在做這樣視訊會議的時候他已經明確告訴我們包括收容安置一清跟垂直避難他們都已經準備好了 |
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就是聽你講起來就是不管總統主席你主席各式各樣的這個指揮官主席的時候花蓮縣政府並沒有非常具體的說我們真的沒辦法事後再來說我現在真的沒辦法這個事情啊 我覺得這樣啦我們應變中心領綱中央在開的時候各縣市的代表如果說沒有問題的時候麻煩你再確認一下 |
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這樣好不好 再確定一下啦不然臉都臉啦 臉說沒問題我都寵好啊 輸你居然...可是你臉的都具體的數字啊都到個位數咧報告我們在跟縣市長視訊的過程總統我或是指揮官都會再講一句話縣市還有沒有需要中央協助資源都會講這句話那這一題我想這個大家把事實釐清啦好那接下來我是請這個教育部長好不好麻煩請教育部長備詢 |
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這個先問一下卓院長卓院長你知道什麼叫做抖音啦你有時候手機沒小心刺到的時候會刺到抖音的影片你覺得這樣還刺過 |
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有不小心按到啦 也不知道對對哪個就對了可能看臉書看什麼就會回到有的他要我進入他的程序程式才看得到 那我就從來不會進去對 可是他有已經改做短片了嘛那抖音對兒童啊 對少年都會有很大的影響 部長這句話你認同啦國內外的研究確實有很多都正式那我們現在的小學生用抖音的狀況 部長瞭解嗎 |
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我們在學術網路上在校園裡面他是被隔離的那學生在學校裡頭如果有機會玩手機玩到抖音裡面怎麼處理啊 |
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目前我們確實也透過這一個三大的通信業者我們透過開學跟一些校園有一些活動來協助家長如果他我們會指導他然後甚至有QR code就是說教他有一些怎麼樣處理可以隔離的 |
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你會知道這個有時候青少年、年輕人白白白忙嘛你叫他不要用,他就調侃要用嘛這就是小朋友嘛,他可能不知道事情的嚴重性嘛,他就這樣用啦我是建議這樣啦,教育部你們研究一下研究一下,院長你也能表達你的看法,還是你要等於研議都可以 |
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我們現在的國中小 可能補充學術網路可能學校的電腦黏不出去可以小朋友住家住好有時候開放用手機的時間這個時候如果他用抖音會嗨因為所有的個資 小朋友的個資都會出去有些小朋友為了那些零用錢十塊 一百塊 兩百塊 一些有的沒的都有可能去拼那這些事情 |
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可不可以這樣 就是學校的老師跟小朋友在使用抖音上我講的是在校園裡面 他要回去他父母要給他 怎麼用這個我們關不上在學校裡頭 老師教小朋友中小學 國中國小的老師跟小朋友在校園裡頭 不管用手機還是什麼 連老師啊都研究看看 看能不能盡量不要用還是要怎麼用不要再用這些小朋友 從小就在用抖音 |
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校長 現在我回去研究看看 |
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我想這個我們會來這個研議看怎麼樣這個讓老師不要再用抖音來指導學生我想這個應該要避免因為老師喔 老師一生成年人啦他自己要用這個我們也難過啦因為老師也是一生成年人他自己的事啊小朋友不一定啊所以老師跟學生之間在校園裡頭在校園裡頭欸你不談要不要搬哪裡啊要不要暑假作業啊 |
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小朋友拍抖音啊來搞作業 搞影音作業放抖音一樓 學校裡面放抖音老師又不懂這樣就整天廢棄喔 |
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所以這個事情請教育部我們來研究看怎麼樣來讓老師在裡面能夠建立共識要在這個用抖音來要尊重好的老師 國中小的老師尊重他們請教師團體有什麼道三感研究看看這個我是有這樣的建議研究看看 看要怎麼樣來處理不然我覺得這個事情越來越嚴重 好不好 |
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好 謝謝委員接下來我們請交通部跟麻煩請交通部長內政部好不好內政部長備詢內政部長跟查理一同好好 陳部長我們這一次在光復這花蓮光復舊車的時候有一組人到現在都要讓人感謝叫做台鐵 |
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台鐵對於第一天開始 加一個人進出外國人擺在外面 台鐵反應非常快 |
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反映為人怪說光復戰啦 自由進出啦反正我給你一張單 代表你是從這站進去的 從這站出來的要回來到台北要送 到台北還要送啦要高雄到高雄還要送啦 是不是這樣好 台鐵現在公司化台鐵公司化你現在還要叫他自負盈虧啊了解他還卻罵上一陣子 我覺得他應該了解這件事 |
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因為現在這責任沒什麼管制嘛 就是光復戰進出啦所以台鐵軟鋼 要加班因為你家開班是嗎 要加班 連清掃的都加班啊你們去研究看 這要怎麼把台鐵軟鋼啦不要說廣西啦 軟鋼啦 要怎麼補充一下 |
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回去研究一下好不好好 報告委員齁這個部分我們一定會來研究一方面是針對員工的部分這一次不只是加班而且我們從其他地方調了很多人員來這邊協助全部都會給他們一些加獎那並且給他們該有的加班費一定都會給他們獎勵齁這個部分沒問題那給公司的獎勵的部分跟協助的部分我們也會來研議 |
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好啦 你這跟國營事業有一個考程嘛那一塊的時候啊 拜託跟倒三天一個 要不然台鐵喔大家都要感謝 沒人感謝就台鐵啊我非常感謝 有啦齁 這個要協助他們好 接下來啊 |
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交通問題很多的調查交通問題都各縣市最有感的課題交通問題我個人建議這樣 主要是上班不能低得下班的時間大家不一定第一 小朋友跟老人在學校周邊要安全第三 回去要有停車位現在回去要住公寓的都沒有停車位這麼多 |
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所以這個第一個上班不要遲到我是建議這樣舉我桃園做例子我們每天有四十幾萬人進到雙北一天四十六萬人進來雙北那我們現在的課題都說桃園的人要來雙北上班那沒辦法因為桃園的就業機會實際上都要來雙北上班要到該關 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
860.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
868.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
首都圈啊北北幾島的這些移動的課題我知道現在有台鐵 桃園有桃園捷運有高鐵可是很多人還是要開車走高速公路 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
870.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
892.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
阿投降自己要去捷運喔 現在規劃都是內部啦投降來電 投降來電移動的數量不多啦重點是投降要往雙北 往新北 往台北不對啦 你回去到協調 到整合一下有沒有辦法啦 新北市的啦 新北市的捷運喔繞一繞 再繞一繞 繞一繞 跑來我們投降啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
893.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
894.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
阿我們投行一直很勤勞選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
920.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
947.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
我知道我們學校有通學校 交通鄰近區有國土署的 有交通補助的嘛這條請卓院長兩個補充 這預算絕對不能減去這要越做越多 現在不是每一個學校都有做因為有優先順序 經費也有限我們去一份看人家做得很好的卓院長 這條是不是高學生要幫我們補一下我們第一年有400處的學校 周邊會把它教室完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
951.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
955.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
好 谢谢王毅川伟 谢谢卓院长 相关部会首长 |