| IVOD_ID |
163825 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163825 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-07T14:30:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-07T15:01:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7828e564de0d60cb244bf5a096a0bb44ac1daff01b5f928259e7dd61fff6f801effd30bbe266b48c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉書彬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:33 - 15:01:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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有請左院長麻煩請左院長備詢劉元豪好 |
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今天呢來跟您討論一下台電的資訊用電的資訊那我們看到的是在您看過院長想請問一下您看過在台電的官網的用電資訊嗎我幾乎天天都會看今天的備轉容量率多少 |
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非常好我們現在來看一下第一個看到這個是一天的用電資訊只有兩天內的曲線第二我們來看一下全天的各能源的用電的曲線只有當天有這個圖表這部分包括的是台電他最近台電他最不敢 |
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貼的24小時的用電的曲線圖因為再生能源在只有24小時的量大概就只有10%而已我們再繼續往下看包括的是備轉的容量率這部分它時間比較多了有112到113年的3年曲線但是瞬間的部分也只能查到1.5個月前的部分的數據卻沒有每天的使用的高峰跟備轉容量率每天的低峰的數據 |
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那部分我們看到這裡第四項我們看到是各機組當中的影響倍轉容量率的部分他只有每天的每小時的瞬間那這部分呢經濟部或者是台電他最喜歡是在中午的時候把資料PO出來因為那時候可以看到再生能源非常多的這個發電量就是太陽能源這邊我們再繼續往下看的時候我剛才 |
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隨時都有 像我現在手上的就是15.26 今天的備轉容量率他沒有在中午才做 早上在做 晚上我現在沒有做 包括112年到114年我們現在把我剛剛講的部分這部分呈現出來沒有錯 我現在是其實我把它整理出來的那我們現在看看剛才所呈現出來的部分等一下我要讓你看到日本的情況是每次都可以查到的我現在再講講看 |
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在這裡我們看到是把剛才我四項的資料都把它彙整起來的時候就得到這樣的資訊就是說台電的這個電網的官網的資訊揭露它其實是並就是兩天的當日的三年內的部分是一個 |
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備轉容量率的部分像你剛才說的有到這個情況還有備轉的過去的用電資料是記錄到上個月例如說我今天用的我今天10月7號我實際上看到歷史性的記錄的完整的部分只看到今年的8月31號這部分就想要請問的這樣的一個台電官網資訊街道是否符合一個保障民眾基本知情權呢 |
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請問院長他每天都有公佈啊你每天都有公佈歷史資料我記得是日間封是有好 沒關係因為你現在講片段資料我剛才呈現出來是不夠完整的這邊我們繼續往下看現在我們現在講的是一個9月16號到9月17、18號連續三天的用電封負載這部分你現在已經絕對查不到啦 |
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那我們看到的是在9月16、17、18三天喔這個資訊你現在絕對是查不到在官網當中絕對現在是查不到那請問一下院長你知道9月17號的夜間尖峰的備轉容量率是多少嗎 |
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9月17號 你應該不知道那當然我要去查一下 現在不可能知道部長知道嗎 郭部長你知道嗎好 我現在跟你講 我現在呈現出來就是三天的時候呢 黃色是供電吃緊 綠色是充電17號是充綠的 |
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18號呢是吃緊的三天之內卻有一天的話是是一個充裕的情況那被轉容量率那天平常都是那三天的八十八十十點六一到六點一一你可以看到這實際上面的數據是這樣子好 |
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我們繼續往下看這邊我們就想到這邊這有一個情況是因為三天的時間當中兩天是用電吃緊黃色一天是綠色是用電的一個是充裕的那我們就想問一下請問在這個情況之下你知道當天的被轉容量率在那天的用電情況是怎麼樣的嗎當天隨時隨地都有那個數據會出來你如果看手機也會顯現 |
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沒有 那我們現在因為要查資料我們要做論證需求這是一般人要了解用電的需求狀況繼續往下看這一張圖看得很清楚這一張圖裡面是9月17號緊急跟備用機組的使用狀況大家可以看到是 |
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因為那時候南部的興達機組出了問題 |
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所以備用的機組就要啟動啊那這樣好玩喔 如果沒有問題都不用啟動部長你現在看看喔 9月9號發生新打對不對那可是9月16號的時候是吃緊的可是9月17號確實充裕的喔 9月18號又是吃緊的可是9月17號就特別 我們才想要來看看因為那時候林口的機組出了問題 |
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對沒錯 但是更重要的是林口機組出去的問題可是核二核三廠的清油機組卻全開你知道嗎這邊全開 我現在只讓大家知道這個全開核電廠裡面的清油機組也全開了這是非常緊急需要的時候才開的因為林口電廠出了問題 |
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供電正常我們就把它提升可是為什麼9月9月開始9月16、18確實吃緊的情況9月17確實出現到一個充裕的情況這是我們繼續再往下看9月9號的時候是興達出了問題那中間我們有些備用基礎是沒有問題但是我們現在看看興達的部分就是我現在想說的興達這邊您說的是興達他有 |
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我們再看看興達的燃煤電廠喔3號4號這個是備用機組對不對可是你看看他發電的時間什麼時候開始的臨時 凌晨就開始啦所以請問發電機組興達電廠的燃煤機組是備用機組他什麼時候才可以開啊 |
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就去備用的時候電力假如說我們要供電正常對 他都需要的是在需要在百分之八以下對不對可是你的燈是綠色的喔不要忘記喔你當天的燈是綠色的喔你的綠色你為什麼需要開呢如果是百分之八的話為什麼需要開勒 |
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這就是大問題啊我們在另外看到是部長這是事實我就是要出現出來你不是講到實情我們繼續往下看燃煤機組跟天然氣有點不太一樣燃煤可能它的熱氣是比較強所以這邊是沒有錯燃煤機組就是需要燃煤機組就是需要在備轉容量率8的時候才會開嘛對不對可是你是綠燈喔10%以上為什麼要開呢這就是有問題的地方我們繼續往下看 |
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9月17號你剛才有說的有些其他機組這部分那我們再生能源不是很棒嗎這部分再生能源有出現狀況嗎再說一次再生能源的基礎再生能源就是如果是太陽能光電就是白天 |
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對 非常好 我們繼續往下看可是整個部分就跟大家講了所有包括興達電廠的1234號緊急備用跟備用全部開了還包括的是核二廠核三廠的緊急的清油備用基礎也全部開了才得到綠色的這個結果那表示什麼 就是缺電啊可是缺電你們去還是成立一個綠色的燈飾站 |
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領口的領部基礎跟行囊的基礎都是故障的情況下整個特殊的狀況它是一個特殊狀況包圍紅那段時間都供電正常 |
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沒有任何缺電的問題事實上面我用資料會說話請重視你們資料所呈現的數據這部分所以9月17號備轉容量綠燈能夠撐起來的就是因為剛才說的核電廠的清油機組還包括興達電廠的燃油機組123號機備轉容量的緊急備轉的通通都開始用了才達到這個效果 |
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這就是實情啊所以這部分如果我們不知道這些情況的話我們根本就不知道台電在就是會出現到把該開的部分實行再告訴大家我們繼續再看到有些台電的最重要的任務就是要供電正常對 但是還是必須要合法的情況你們用掩蓋的數據去讓大家以為是供電正常事實上不是的你們在掩蓋缺電的成果 |
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決定的結果我們繼續往下看在電網的部分我們看到的是現在如果要看過去的電力供需的部分的時候可以看到在目前10月7號只可以看到過去只看到 |
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8月31號最早的因為呢供應的資訊是說呢並沒有完整的平時完整資料是4月中旬才能夠更新所以我10月15號之後才能知道9月份的資料因此我剛才大家知道了9月9號清達電廠爆炸了9月17號我剛才舉的例子當中在 |
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在所謂的這個容量的部分的時候你就發現到它其實是是用電應該是吃緊的但是卻呈現一個綠燈狀況這就是出現了很大的問題資訊的不透明讓我們達到了一個沒辦法真正就落實到一個真正的政策的問題我們再繼續往下看這個地方我就要用到的其他國家的日本的日本大家看一下日本東京電力公司它裡面可以看到的是 |
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當然把今日的電力使用的預測率啊把需求的高峰跟使用率的高峰就把它呈現出來那我們繼續再往下看的時候他甚至可以馬上的可以看到在9月的時候的部分都可以呈現出來不像我剛才所說的目前我們在台電的官網當中你要查9月的資料在瞬間的或者是在容量的部分上是有問題的 |
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這部分我想要以他人知識來做一下我想過去的資料怎麼樣呈現我覺得我們可以來討論但是我跟委員報告就是說當初這個備轉容量率我們最主要的用意是說當天到底會不會供電正常這個是最關鍵的如果今天我們供電正常以後事實上就表示沒有問題了 |
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但是每一項的東西每一項的備轉都要等等你必須跟大家實行如果你都這樣做的話就會發生像京達的火力發電天然氣的防電掌你們在試運轉都刺上你們就等下運到一個加快馬力所出現的一個效果出來就爆炸了我們看怎麼呈現我們來討論所以我還跟你講說如果 |
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這邊我很高興說部長你有呈現到說這個資料其實你們都有嗎這些部分就是公開的透明呈現就是想跟部長院長也請教的是在於說這種公開的知情權是非常重要的因為你要訂定一個良好的有效率的能源發電政策就必須要這樣子出現 |
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謝謝委員的用心我們整天今天各機組的發電量他都會很詳細的列在上每天都有因為我們最關心的是當下到底會不會我們要了解是今天的狀況要有供電穩定那委員希望說你查詢到過去一段時間以來過去要長期的了解讓民眾了解正確的 |
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電力政策產能的呈現我需要的是大家知道不是我當立法委員我才要去問政才知道每一個人都可以關心到我的電力包括的是如果NVIDIA輝達他要來用電包括供電的需求每年都要成長到1.8度1.8%到2%的時候那你的用電怎麼不夠難怪各界的國外的投資者都會注意到說你用電現在已經呈現到是一個國安問題啦用電的能源國安的問題是這麼呈現的就是因為這樣子而來的 |
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所以這部分的需要因為過去你們只敢備轉容量率高這個部分都是個假象這都是假象開綠燈其實是不是正確的那你知道我就繼續往下去看了好當然我剛才聽到說院長你說你會說限期改善要台電的網站公開透明其實像其他該有的都放上去事實上可以嗎 |
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我說real time都有但是就是過去的資料怎麼呈現那個我們看看他必須是要累積的部分在呈現的日本可以 我們有離他更遠嗎我們是AI大國吧部長 院長 院長請你在這邊可以承諾嗎我們應該把這種公開透明的資訊查詢機制讓他更開 公開透明 |
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好謝謝委員關心整個能源的政策如果能夠提供更精確而且有一段時間讓大家能夠做參考來比較的話我認為這也是我們開放政府資料治理應該做的事情我請台電能夠進行研究但是我們跟日本到底不是用同一個模組同一個軟體所以不可能完全一樣用我們的方式盡量把過去的資料讓 |
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報告委員好 任何人可以公開來查詢什麼時候什麼時候今年年底應該可以吧其實你們之下都有吧只是什麼時候放上去而已嘛 對不對好 謝謝我們繼續往下看喔這邊我就是要詢問的是下面更重要的一個問題就是火力的主義機組轉備任務緊急的時候請問有沒有法源請問有沒有法源有 哪一個法源 |
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是這個嗎 環評承諾條件嗎空氣污染排放標準嗎是這些嗎空污法也有依據的沒有 那個空污法也是從環境地方空污這邊去呈現出來了沒有直接的法律的依據 沒有所以這部分您才包括 |
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剛才我們看到的核電廠的幾個清油機組也都是在用了沒有 譬如說像那個興達燃煤這個一年當中可以緊急備用多少小時 724個小時如果我記得沒錯的話請你知道這邊是依照電力設施的裡面的空氣污染排放標準是行政命令啊 不是法啊那現在我們也會遵守啊 |
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他不是法 他是更一級的規定而已我現在跟大家講的是尤其是這個部分的興達電廠裡面的緊急備用機組跟備用機組當中我們在台電的官網當中其實沒有真正看到資料而是在高雄市環保局專區資料裡面才有啊台電是 |
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台電是一個堂堂正正的國營企業為什麼是由地方政府來去決定他到底是一個是一個備用機組在什麼狀態的情況之下呢因為他們要同意我們才可以 |
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這個緊急備用基礎因為他要算在722小時之內所以他要累計計算是不是有超過超過的話重點是董院長您是學法律的應該知道像這邊我們都甚至跟他講一件事情當核電廠的研議他如果還要繼續發展的他都有一個核子設施反應器的管制法嘛對不對這部分都是法那如果你要你要涉及到的是 |
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精打火力電廠的部分有關研議的部分研議的部分他轉成緊急備轉基礎對不對是不是也應該要有一個 |
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法源依據呢?是法律的依據呢?要專法來決定呢?依照剛剛部長的答覆他現在我們即使是一個命令那我們也是完全遵守這個命令的內容所以一個備用機組何時該啟動何時必須啟動一個年當中他能夠啟動多少小時這個都是明明白白規定的很實的而且他有規定就是說在空污期間是不能運轉的我們也會遵守 |
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好 這部分這就是要跟部長跟院長交換意見 |
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你們用的是環評的承諾條件還包括是空氣污染排放標準也許是在空氣污染法環境部長也上來了可是這麼涉及到我們的人民的健康的部分如果這個資訊沒有公開尤其沒有法律的依據甚至這個公告完全是由地方政府來決定的話經濟部長你不會是失職嗎你把這個權利讓地方政府去決定嗎 |
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所以我剛剛回答這個委員的想法是說這是我記得啦我記得應該是好像空污法之下包委員其實兩個一個是環評他們要興建的時候要通過環評的決定那他的承諾就變成是他一定要去照這個營運來遵守那空污法是相對的他如果是緊急備用機組就720個小時是空污法裡面規定的好 但是最重要的是剛才的3號跟4號機是備用機組嗎 |
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對嘛 商高市場是非常基礎那商高市場他必須到8%才用嘛 對不對8% 備轉容率在8%以下的時候才有可是剛才的 我剛才說9月17號就不是嘛還在綠燈嘛他們其實任何一個台電運轉的時候前一天就要預估今天的備轉容率多少你說的是實際上執行的多少這兩個意義是不一樣的 |
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對 所以我的才呈現出來我都要凸顯的我們現在台電的官網的用電資料並不是完全真正的實行你就把預測的部分要放進來了這樣是不對的才想說剛剛院長有承諾那就好了他的備轉就是希望說不要讓他降到安全數字以下所以他預估之後他認為我要提前作業這個沒有什麼不對 |
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終極目標在於穩定跟供電無虞你們這樣用預備的部分就是模糊大家的視聽的啦我跟你講這些部分我們因為部長承諾我們就必須再繼續再往下去看大家現在更重要想要就是針對的是 |
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院長你在做一個能源的一個行政院長嘛就在說非核家園政策我們知道看到的是有些的能源的再生能源的配比有事實上是有跳票嘛因為明年才要達到2020%對不對好那另外電力供需的部分的缺口也呈現喔包括這次的興達電廠的 |
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煤氣的部分也是就是因為他發生火災的他到明年才達到對不對但是還有供電的需求是不是也是一直到每年大概成長1.8 |
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以上的用電成長率對不對這是都是很大的一個需求喔還有排碳政策這部分國際趨勢我們看一下那政府呢他已經推動了2.0的這個政策是好事情但是呢想要跟的是院長你交換的意見是過去是R100可是這部分只是商業策略啊還有CFE |
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24小時7天全時的武漢的這個一個國際政策部分啊這才是更重要因為他就是聯合國的而且是國際的企業當中最重要的部分的他在推動的你如果還要談到過去你只談到的 |
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在針對海灘政策你還只講到說再生能源事實上是不夠的我們再繼續往下看國際趨勢當中三十二兩百多個國家裡面三十二個國家是用核能 核綠一起在這邊的那我現在就是提供的一個重點說如果深境造成這樣一個缺電的情況之下其實是一種政治的作為因為我們走向反而家園了這種情況您還是目前民進黨政府還是推向的一個政治的作為才讓到現在的一個我剛才所說的9月17號那個部分的 |
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這種所謂這種的缺電的吃緊的用電吃緊就是呈現出來的所以特別希望跟他講左院長尤其在823的公投決定之後希望說你過去的1.0的政策的通通都是在修修補補東補一個西補一個那希望是說 |
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您有一個政治家或者是一個對全國的全世界在能源上面的一個重點呢就是說以那個我能夠呈現出佐隆大2.0的部分全新的去做一個系統性的政策能源的一個規劃您覺得你的方向上是可以進行的嗎 |
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我們在新的能源政策總統指示的2.0裡面剛剛委員已經把它秀出來了那個就是現在國家很具體的一個方向發展多元的綠能深度節能 科技儲能而且要加強電網韌性現在就是往這個方向在走我們也有政策 我們也有經費我們也有執行的期程都有至於您說的非核家園 |
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但當初修法之後我們已經沒有那個時間上的限制但是我們認為傳統的核能對未來的子孫還是很大的這個負擔所以有新式的核能你沒有展上實質上的居修啊32國家裡面包括日本包括南韓 |
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包括的是美國這邊都已經往這邊去進行了美國的核能部門還可以幫助我們去解決到我們今天的貿易逆差的問題所以請你好好在想著看起來您是不想要負政治責任啦2.0也不想做啦我們就看看未來在明年的時候看看總統在政府這邊的2.0政策能不能出現如果沒有我真的覺得你要負起你的政治責任了好現在這部分能源部議題我們告一個段落我們現在繼續往下看在部分在請的是教育部教育的議題請教育部長 |
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教育部長教育議題上面我們看到的是一個教師荒這部分請問院長您對於這個教師荒會帶來什麼樣的影響您有什麼看法我們當然最近幾年一直在充實 |
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整個教育的經費讓他達到我們憲法上的一個大家過去的要求那也因為如此我們對教師的福利也持續的在做一些有效的增進我們也強化整個校園的教學的品質跟環境那對教師的任用我想教育部也一直在做多項的努力是不是請部長來說明好 那當然我想問一下部長我就是也要請問鄭部長就在說您認為教師荒是什麼因素造成的 |
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我想感謝委員關心中小學老師確實因為少子化過去各縣市我進來的時候事實上幾年前大概各縣市因為擔心縣市的老師 |
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少子化以後減班所以老師要重新做一些所以你認為是少子化的影響而已嗎我是說這是一個原因當然另外一個是產業上的一些原因我們繼續再往下看因為時間上面有限你剛才講到少子化跟產業上面的需求是重要的不過我們看到的是 |
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暑假結束之前你們發了新聞稿當中說缺額本來是25號的時候2600人後來變成到1429人我們後來又變成說在開學前的時候僅剩下276人但是實際上面的情形我們看到了我自己在國教署的網站當中就看到是很多的缺額都還在這部分看起來是一個數字有美化都是可能把 |
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行政的這個責任教學的責任就給其他人去兼職了啦至少讓學生有做這可以考慮到是有這樣的情形那我們現在看到這個缺額這部分的都還有都還有這麼多齁這個情況實質上的缺額我們看到的是我自己都看到網站上到10月份都還在爭代理教師的這個或是正式教師的總共缺額是581名那現在怎麼樣解決這個問題呢跟委員報告全國中小學有超過20萬人 |
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那因為各縣市還是我剛才講為了他們自己各控管8%以8%來講這個銀額已經超過了81是非常少那我同意因為產業上的一個這個蓬勃的一個發展包含待遇所以有部分類科還有部分偏鄉的地方他確實在聘用老師是比較辛苦的那在這個8%的一個控管裡面 |
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你認為說這樣是可以的我就再繼續往下看去上個禮拜的時候其實全教總有提出五個字的訴求在五個訴求當中有部分我看到國教署也有在接見這部分的限時問題上面我想包括行政減量代理教師權益職務加急這部分還有校園單數的問題我上次也聽到您到辦公室來講單數的問題到年底或之前會解決對不對有一個方向校士會議我們會讓他能夠有一個更 |
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更好的一個這個整個這個運作的程序也就是說我們希望把爛數的這一塊能夠先取消能夠減少因為從我們過去真正能夠真正被進入到那些這個不是任教師的基本上他都是具名投訴的那我們以今年來看有1300多位大部分都是 |
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非居民 也就是我們讓會非常多的一個部長 你在很多的教師的努力之下 抗議之下你有做這個方向學習我覺得這個是實在肯定的我想那不是教師的抗議是教育部本來我們在許多的這些相關法令我們也了解 也跟地方做許多的座談了解老師跟校長親家長的一個聲音我們做滾動式的修正修法這邊是不是年底的時候要確定可以出來 |
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關於在校士會議在高中老師以下的這個這個部分我們年底一定會我們事實上現在已經有初步的一個修訂了一個另外一個很重要的問題院長教育的問題是國本真的要考慮到的是在9月28日出現的那非常多的民眾因為連師培生涯也不願意去再繼續留在教育界當後輩的老師的有沒有考慮到要做開國師會議教育的國師會議 |
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我想教育的一個國師會議如果它只是一個大敗敗 那就看你的誠心誠意啦院長院長 我想要請院長回答一下院長 國師教育會議百年大計有沒有機會可能 |
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教育部如何跟地方政府一起跟民間的團體跟教育團體一起來商討一個現在這幾個問題解決的方式如果教育部能夠做這樣的工作我非常的支持但不必叫做什麼國事會議他只要能夠針對問題來解決就好就希望繼續再監督沒有到動搖國本的狀況您認為還是還沒有到動搖國本的狀況就對了是吧 |
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我們不會讓教育動搖那我現在請 謝謝教育部長那我現在請李洋運動部長上台 謝謝 |
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先請院長就先你回答一下好了啦這部分其實您請的李洋當部長我覺得是一個非常有遠見的一個做法啦這部分值得肯定那現在李洋部長來了就說部長您對於體育界你有六大具體措施您對體育界有什麼樣的改革規劃 |
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我們運動部最重要當然是全民運動落實多元平權以及永續發展的價值那當然我這邊要引用一下鄭麗君副院長我認為鄭麗君副院長說過步步都是文化部那我們認為步步都是運動部好 所以就是需要很多步步都需要互相的融合 |
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合作嘛對不對好那這樣子請問院長您對於新上任這個里昂部長的期許還有運動界的改革方向像全民的運動這部分還有國際的方向你有沒有什麼樣的期許 |
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全民運動全民體育運動競技國際事務以及未來舉辦大型的以台灣元素的國際比賽以及適應運動適應體育等等都是李洋部長我們在第一次交換過意見當中他所提出的種種的想法我認為李部長一個最大的優點是他來自體育界食物界他有 |
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現役國手最好的經驗他知道我們的訓練中心該怎麼改革他知道現在單項協會該怎麼改革他知道怎麼樣訓練更年輕的下一輩的國家的體育好手他知道怎麼樣推動到整個社區教育跟著全民運動上面去而且另外一個重點是他沒有包袱我也不要給他任何的包袱我讓他盡量發揮他的想像的空間用新的觀念來帶領這個新的運動部 |
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好 非常期待未來有繼續這樣的一個表現不過現在運動部的員還沒有徵補完那什麼時候會徵補完畢呢新成立一個部會都有這樣的一個過渡的時機那現在他已經徵補大概一半人接近到年底的話那個運動部有六成六成以上而已啊因為我們可以從各部調來我們可以外邊來招聘這個都需要有一點時間來討論但是主要的這幾個帶領運動部裡面的次長 司長 署長我們都已經訂 |
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好謝謝 謝謝劉淑彬委員執行 |