| IVOD_ID |
163815 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163815 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T17:09:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T17:24:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b8900ed4a84fc4557631704543300bdabf02140c9b83876a6ff955e27d19183d88005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:09:18 - 17:24:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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請卓院長備詢 |
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區委員好院長好院長首先請教您這個在今年度114年度行政院在您手上行政院目前正在進行的特別預算案有幾個案剛剛對 剛剛答案有出來幾個剛剛說有六個三個是以前的年度的那我們現在就是這個還有那個風災的 |
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因為今天要質詢的這個還沒通過嘛所以不算在質詢所以是五個加上今天這個就六個那加上我們年度的總預算就是去年通過的我們114年度的所以是七個所以我曾經跟我們主計總署講說主計人員非常忙碌手上不同的預算在手上還要精細的算一般正常的國家應該不需要那麼多帳本吧 |
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是啊 但是今天你看我們風災也來您是不是史上這個帳本最多的行政院長我希望把它算得清楚第一個風災也來 談判也來所以我們會做了很多的這個特別預算做這兩個 然後前面還有前面的但是我們看到的是有些特別預算的內容它其實不需要用特別預算它其實用常態預算就可以 |
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如果委員提到的是國防 教育我們剛剛有幾個委員也是很多委員都這麼認為我們都有做說明那我也希望說在委員會審查的時候容許我們的部委首長能夠用詳實的資料再向委員說明請求能夠支持但是這個等於是常態預算你放到特別預算這個是不合乎預算法的 |
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那當然有它符合預算法的條件所以像這一次我們就拉回來我們今天要審的這個因應國際情勢強化社會經濟以及民生國安的韌性特別預算這裡面有很多都可以是放到明年的總預算 |
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所以本席是認同我們並不是反對這些預算但是不能用特別預算就是不能用因為這樣會規避很多的我們包含舉債剛剛這個這一個手上就包含我們今天要質詢的這第六項這六個的我們的這個表格我想請院長看一下我們整個的 |
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稅出規模高達4900多億將近5000億他的舉債也超過了一半佔了57.2%2852.22億所以這表示特別預算常態化這個是不對的再來就是舉債我們等於是把未來世代的錢我們提早預支這個是我們對子孫的一種掠奪 |
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這個部分我們希望如果是可以放在明年的預算的你們追加進來追加進來我們也可以接受所以不是反對預算而是這個不要規避預算法預算法該怎麼樣財政紀律財政部長也剛好來跟委員報告兩件事情再請部長來說明第一個是 |
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這個特別預算都符合預算法的規定我們有它的特殊的情況再來如果這個錢要放到明年的中央政府總預算債券追加我怕明年我們的舉債的額度已經沒有辦法再承受這樣子 |
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特別預算就是在規避就是在舉債超過我們舉債的這個範圍跟委員報告在預算法裡面本來就有年度預算跟特別預算兩者相輔相成年度預算是一般施政的作為那特別預算是因應重大的一個情勢編列但是不管總預算跟特別預算都納入債務管控絕對沒有規避所謂的債務的管控 |
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特別預算一樣納入債務管控特別預算有說要緊急或重大工程好那院長我想跟院長說現在我們坊間大家知道很多獨居老人突然很感恩川普川普沒有搞一個關稅你還不會想到要幫他弄獨居老人的特別預算 |
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還有這個高等教育 高等教育這些人才如果沒有川普來弄一個這個關稅我們沒有想到要幫他弄特別預算當國際的官貿秩序這樣重新調整之後各國都是要衝擊 我們對我們的科技業的 |
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人才培育也必須加碼快速所以我們做這個工作也因為這個樣子對我們這個消費的行為也會產生現在想像不到的任何的衝擊我們認為更弱勢的這些獨居老人弱勢者中低收入 負低收入我們也會加碼來給他們多一層的照顧希望他們在度過這樣的過程當中不會影響他們基本上的生活這個跟整個 |
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川普的關稅其實沒什麼相關所以這一個部分我就說嘛所以這些獨居老人還有這些弱勢你們都突然想到用特別預算來發來給他們加發一些金額如果沒有這個關稅對產業可能造成衝擊那國內整個消費行為可能造成一些衝擊 |
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那當然沒有特別的需要那我們是率先預先想到了這些也希望委員會支持到底是社會的弱勢的弱勢這次你們提的支持產業安定就業我們當然也認同也支持那所以 |
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大家還發現有一點就是覺得卓院長跟賴總統很特別全世界各國包含日本 包含德國大家都被美國關稅搞得非常的頭暈腦脹但是他們都沒有想到說弄一個特別預算 |
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或者是說特別弄這等於有一些常態預算也放到特別預算裡面但是只有我們中華民國政府各國對產業的支持都有這樣的一個方式存在那沒關係因為我們也認同支持產業780億支持勞工安定就業但是我們想知道你780億你哪些產業哪些產業你錢匡了你怎麼匡出這780億 |
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我們最重要是對中小微企業能夠加強不論他的貸款 他的保障他的研發升級以及他的這個多元市場的開發你怎麼評定 |
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你怎麼評定你要給誰?這780億你要給誰?我們當初4月4號在算的時候就已經做一個高推估30%的一個稅率同時他如果因為美國關稅讓他的營業額有下降的時候他必須提出這樣的一個證明下降10%的時候所以現在有提出證明的他有提出申請的提出申請的你們就會給他我們預先做移緩計期所有1000多件 |
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是 現在有一千多件來已經收件了包括貸款的補助也好也有一個是 這是針對企業產業的部分我們也想知道我們支持勞工的安定就業150億150億我們想知道你到底勞工你面對哪些勞工 |
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你面對哪些勞工那這些勞工他要上什麼課幾節課誰來承辦你這150億你怎麼評估出來的跟委員報告我們評估遇到對等關稅的衝擊所以有些勞工跟產業他可能會遇到比如說減班休息或者是有時候會遇到現在減班休息的我看到最新數據8505人是那我們希望這150億下去你是止痛止血還是你可以長期造血你告訴我 |
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這裡面第一個這裡面我們給現在給勞工的支持的措施裡面有包括薪資的補貼有包括課程的補助也有包括給予企業他要在自己來做辦訓或者是聯合辦訓相關的這個那你有瞭解現在他要辦培訓上什麼課上幾節課誰來承辦這些在基層都可以進行嗎 |
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培訓率有沒有什麼KPI |
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受到關稅衝擊的老公朋友來給予他最大的支持跟幫助那你這個錢花完了以後怎麼辦你這個錢花完了以後他有轉型嗎他未來的生計怎麼辦這一個有納在裡面嗎 |
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跟文說第一個我們當然希望減半休息的勞工可以盡量留在他原本的職場因為很多中高齡的勞工如果你要他去轉職他會比較辛苦第二個因為我剛才講到我們可能有包括訓練的部分訓練的部分當然企業會依照產業他們現在在對於如果產業不轉型你這個產業碰到這個因為關稅的危機有很多可能他真的就關所以產業轉型的部分應該進一步這邊其實有很多對於產業 |
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轉型跟創新相關的補助我想這都是相輔相成的那本席想請教院長我們現在有關汽車關稅的美國的這個汽車進口的這個談判我們預估未來會是零關稅嗎 |
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我們現在沒有辦法做這樣的預估沒辦法預估那美方有提出一些想法對全世界來通用那現在依據台灣區車輛工會 同業工會來估計如果因為你現在你沒辦法預估那如果真的最後是調降至零 |
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669.03 |
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的時候那他們預估將影響新台幣847.74億的產值還有8.26萬的相關從業人員那我請問這個安置計畫有準備嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
680.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
695.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這個前提0影響多少產業的金額應該有先預估吧這個前提現在我們先不設定但是我們就希望透過這個產業你們先不設定那如果突然間我說那個前提我們先不設定但是整個來講我們是透過這個產業的支持未來出現什麼樣的衝擊我們就用這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
698.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
713.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
特別預算當中對產業的支持全面的給他做一些必要的協助這是我們現在想法但是我剛剛委員說的那個零跟影響800多億影響8.2萬多人那個前提現在我們沒有辦法做這樣的確定我怕我說出去以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
713.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
735.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
大家都說行政院講說我們是零關稅你不說但是你們內部有沒有評估那我順便問因為我們馬上要審總預算明年的總預算請問我們行政院這邊預估對美關稅減收的總額會是多少一定要到確定之後我們才能做確實的一個所以我們這次送來的預算裡面也沒有去看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
737.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
748.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我们可能关税我们在税入的部分我们有照我们的推估财政部在税入的时候有做这样的推估但是那个推估就是在当时我们的高推估情况底下去做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
749.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
775.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
接著本席想請教院長我們在照顧民生整個預算有3070億元這裡面有包含剛剛本席特別提到的獨居老人的關懷服務我們想請教你現在獨居老人到底對象有多少我們有請內政部應該有核算出來獨居老人我們請部長來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
777.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
779.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
各位快一點我時間我們現在這個有估計的大概是70萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
787.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
812.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
有70萬的獨居老人你怎麼估出來的我們從各縣市的這個單位報上來的那有列冊已經請各縣市報上來先盤點然後我們預估在未來兩年這70萬的獨居老人都能夠完成訪視然後依據評估的結果來安排後續的服務本席手上看到內政部推估是97萬6925人 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
815.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
831.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
那看到衛福部的調查報可能這比較舊的是39萬你說70萬那你們造冊的你們目前造冊的有70萬嗎造冊已經有70萬那你打算怎麼關懷我們除了這個訪視之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
834.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
855.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
因為兩年內 我們是預估兩年內我們預算編兩年兩年內呢 都要訪視至少一次然後訪視完會分級管理那有些呢 他比較欠缺智力需要協助生活的跟可以智力的分開你要訪視70萬人 我請教你你有評估你訪視的人力足夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
857.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
870.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
所以才需要這個特別預算知不知道關懷人力有嚴重的缺口這塊部長知道嗎我們了解所以才需要有這筆預算來支持這筆預算有了你就可以你就有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
871.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
894.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
人力就具足了嗎我們會努力的把它完成這個不容易達成啦但是我們是希望不容易達成但是錢已經都編這麼多了因為時間的關係最後本席要跟院長說我們的這個特別預算常態化從民進黨執政這九年多來這太明顯了因為特別預算他是特別預算你怎麼可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
895.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
920.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
用這種平常的預算所以我們就發現特別預算它的執行成效非常差然後這個項目整個的規劃也不好所以我們希望院長我們特別預算是不是可以委由公正獨立的第三方機構那他把特別預算的項目能夠做成本效益分析以及執行後的整個的追蹤考核 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
920.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
921.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我們更希望的是 |