| IVOD_ID |
163812 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163812 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T16:21:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T16:37:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890f5e6a7cc07605af8704543300bdabf028d97010e5f6ab85c9aa7beedfef2e22d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:21:49 - 16:37:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席 江副院長 卓院長 以及各位先進有請卓院長 還有主計長一起請卓院長 主計長備詢內委員好院長辛苦了 不會應該的 |
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我要開始講一下因為今天講錢的事情特別預算我要講一個我們地方政府一般地方政府大家普遍關心的統籌分配稅款一般補助款計畫型補助款現在行政院 |
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對 我都說很大聲的 我這個統籌分配稅款給了四千一百多億你看 割這麼多肉 左手割 右手割結果 左邊給錢 右邊收錢 收回來多少 收回來2646元 |
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就是一般補助館我們也寫決議說你不可以比去年少你就把計劃的把他錢挖一塊在這裡所以變成最後只有金針價1500多億所以講幾步還是中央集錢錢放在中央啦這東西心態可以改一下 |
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主席長我知道你很辛苦 叫院長吵到沒錢找沒路結果發現不是 院長你還是牢牢的把錢賺在手上不輕易的給地方政府 明顯的左手給 右手拿回來結果競爭價只有1500 不是4100不要再講4100 那就是騙人你要回應嗎 |
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4165億是統籌分配稅款增加的其中的2646億是屬於地方自己不是收回來 還是給地方只是你把地方的事權帶過去做而已沒有收回來啊這個資料是主計中處的資料 |
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是把地方的事權帶過去做啊沒有啦 阿你報告 報告委員這個部分它是原來是地方自治應辦的事項只是它現在改由我們給統籌分配款來做支援這樣還有一個東西 院長你可能不知道喔現在我們就把不要只有看統籌分配款要Plus一般補助款Plus計畫補助款這三個全部加起來有九個縣市 |
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一百一十五年比一百一十四年還要少所以為什麼 是因為水平分配不均衡是那個問題啦 就是你們暗砍啦這個東西 來 我就另外一個重點我先把問題丟出來今天這個沒有時間做太多的討論了需要跟主席的時候做討論這個倒希望能夠另外時間跟委員請教我們好好的來研究這個問題苗栗縣 |
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一個留下查看的財務狀況的縣市 縣啊苗栗縣是不是列管 請問是不是列管列管 大家知道嘛 列管就是留下查看的他現在財務被你們這樣子跟台北市一樣好耶 第一名耶 第一級的苗栗縣 雖然我不是苗栗縣選出來立委 但是 |
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路見不平啦 歧視贏人啦旁邊的人說我的歧視苗栗縣怎麼跟台北市一樣好有問題啊 主席董事長的資料 苗栗縣它的統籌分配稅款的增加是全國排第四所以它的統籌分配稅增加很多苗栗縣跟台北市一樣的笑死人啊大家一聽 蛤 真的喔 蛤 |
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真的啊 苗栗縣比我們主席的台中市還要好耶苗栗縣第一名啊 台中市不是第一名啊請問你台中市第幾級 |
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台中市應該是第二級啊第二級你看 台中市第二級啊這個副院長啊 要拍拍這個第一級啊 苗栗縣都第一級啊台中縣 苗栗縣就在台中旁邊我是台中出身的我台中人因為苗栗 他就是統籌分割證增加太多才跑到第一級啊我啦 會紅球啦 會紅球增加這麼多就是會紅球啊苗栗縣等於台北市的財務會紅球啦 這個要把它降級 |
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補助才多一點他真的就增加到全國排第四啊否則這個標準不要照這麼算嗎應該是照新的財化法就這樣算我不希望你給答案啦 因為你現在胡說亂報我們再跟委員好好的請教 這個值得好好的來研究只是我說苗栗縣的財富跟台北市一樣好我給大家笑個啊啊 笑這麼大聲 |
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都這樣 大家笑說苗栗縣居然會跟台北市一樣好 真的永久來 那個...那個...沒有啊 裁判你們就收回去啊收回去兩千六百多億來 我們看啊 那個...關稅問題啊你看哪一個部長要請...那個主席長請回啦喔這個對等關稅啊 怎麼談怎麼談你可以看嘛 今天美國出這個牌 明天出那個牌這都是你們官員講的 |
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很簡單嘛因為川普跟習近平還沒有見面他們沒有見面以前台灣就搞不定這句話你同意不同意請問你國際局勢變化無常而且瞬間變化那美國中國之間進行任何的談判我們都無法去左右我們只專注於我們跟美方的談判能不能在我們談判四大原則底下守住我方的立場 |
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你應該說我們很無奈啊今天你要他們談去談啊 為什麼拖我們呢我們要趕快搞定 現在苦哈哈的你可以想喔可以想喔 最近有發生一件事情喔很大的事情 今天盧秀燕這跟我們江副院長有關係喔江副院長當市長以後台中市長他就關心什麼 巨大捷安特 |
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他的東西在美國海關被扣住了理由就是什麼強迫勞動看了幾個龍頭的一個大的產業怎麼會就這樣被美國扣住說強迫勞動這個盧秀燕 |
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盧曉燕市長講的這個主席要好聽喔你以後當市長都已經聽到這個他絕對反對絕對反對中科變成跑去美國某一個州裡面設類中科結果我們的這個政府院長說什麼反對555反對555不接受555給不服農啊因為你們要成立類科學園區啊 |
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這個盧修業市長已經表示反對台灣的經驗喔可以被學習但是不能被複製啦不會去學習內中科啦台灣的產業科學院去一個一個掏空搬去美國啊變這個樣子不會不會不會啊這樣台積電他就再次說明說很清楚的 |
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美國現在就是台積電鎖定的 你來為什麼找捷安特捷安特 這個部長先不要走 等下這個為什麼找捷安特他是自行車業的世界的龍頭將你佔的廠商希望他到美國去討 譬如說PCB |
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龍頭就希望到美國去 一個一個希望你去美國美國打了正式算盤 今天盧修憲講的就是內中科團隊去某一個州 只有一個結果你們要推一個叫什麼 內科學園區啊你們有沒有嘛 部長有沒有內科學園區 去美國要搞一個內科學園區你要講四原則 台灣優先 台灣優先 我讚你政府對政府 怎麼會這樣想呢 |
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報告委員因為台灣我們先是立足台灣嘛然後才佈局全球那佈局全球的話每一個人沒有辦法像台積電錢這麼多啦台積電的現金存量有超過上兆台積電他可以自己就是他有訂單的時候他就去賣那但是其他的廠商如果要佈局全球可能沒有辦法自己單打獨鬥所以為什麼要把這個 |
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他要make American great again希望製造業都搬到美國把這個群聚的效果在其他國家創造出來跟台灣做連結這樣才有可能成功我現在講說你跟美國好怎麼好我們沒有意見但是不可以犧牲台灣的產業要像盧市長講的如果把整個中科搬到美國去他反對 我也反對立足台灣優先 |
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這個很清楚看得到嘛這個來講所以你講說不接受五五分看起來很欺騙結果都是假的因為你們要假的更多假的更多是台灣的連根拔起一個元旗一個元旗拔去美國變這樣子 |
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我們了解委員的顧慮跟推測因為海外佈局基本上是廠商必須有意願那邊會賺錢有訂單你們副院長已經講了啊副院長已經講到這樣子啊類科學園區模式啊他們如果要去的話我們就會把它形作一個產業聚落可以形成那這個產業聚落當然是台灣跟美國必須要合作才有辦法把這個聚落形成因為照過去的科學園區的經驗上來講的話政府還是有一些角色的 |
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比如說一站式的窗口啊等等一些情況美國需要你幫忙去蓋劇錄 需要嗎美國需要台灣的經驗去蓋蓋辦嗎不要忘了我們的科學運具其實是仿Silicon Valley的 |
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其實Silicon Marriott不是政府的力量我們是政府的力量 Silicon Marriott是比較是創新啦基本上是類似啦 科學園區就這樣子啦是生產 先進的生產製造對 不要忘了 這個科學園區之所以偉大因為新竹科學園區有一個台積電它半導體為主 佔了百分之七十幾很清楚 看得到結果你們現在來講說 我聽你蓋科學園區 美國是你鄉 |
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台積電之所以偉大也是因為周邊的供應鏈或群聚所形成你講的重點他就是希望你的整個的搬走他要講喔別忘了美國的商業部長盧克尼克講了喔他希望台積電類似台積電加上他的Supply Chain通通過去我剛才向委員報告了就是說就廠商來講那邊要有訂單而且可以賺錢他才會去 |
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我們是認為廠商的國際佈局是國家的一個政策可以協助但是一定要維持我們關鍵領先地位這個不容打折我時間有限實際上你們的回答我不滿意現在美國的農業部的次長來了有沒有可能要求大家都怕會要求零關稅 |
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零關稅喔你可不可以承諾絕對反對零關稅農產品零關稅可不可以 |
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我們在談對等關稅當中來 請部長說明我想我們在台美關稅對於市場建築的部分我想美國美光的期待台灣有台灣的要捍衛跟堅守的所以我們一定會堅持在糧食安全的前提之下還有維護產業那個我都聽不懂你就告訴我你就講一句話或者葛珮講一句話絕對不同意 |
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美國的農產品零關稅進來台灣我跟委員報告齁零關稅你要看零關稅因為有的零關稅是對台灣有利的像原物料進來零關稅那我就跟你舉例啊農產品冷凍雞腿雞翅膀20%20% |
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我們現在所有的品項在談判的過程中我們現在還沒有辦法做最後的確認還沒有辦法做最後的確認第一個不可能全面准入而且是零關稅 |
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另外在這個談判的過程當中我們必須要有取跟有捨那如果對我們的產業包括農業在發生衝擊的情況下農業部已經有180億的對產業的支持在裡面我們可以隨時支應我們不會讓業者發生這樣的困難我告訴兩位長官喔全世界WTO談判的時候有一項絕對保護就是農業 |
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農業絕對保護 全世界都一樣包括美國一樣我們不能夠不保護否則 那個陳部長你會變成歷史罪人 可可會變成歷史罪人我們還會為捍衛農民的權益跟糧食安全結果是農產品零關稅讓他美國產品進來的話是你們就變成歷史罪人好 最後一個問題那個部長請回教育部教育部借這個任性趁火打劫 |
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還要了這個產學合作一百億 笑死人來我要講一個東西這個我的重點在這裡 讓我講完喔 |
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產學合作企業都有錢啊 為什麼產學合作 你要編100億然後為什麼你沒有編勞動部 為什麼沒有編我們的無薪假的勞工 已經8000多了 快要1萬了這個東西 關稅都影響了 肥累累一個不編 一個趁火打劫 要了100億 我絕對砍 |
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為什麼產學有多 企業有錢啊你為什麼還要便利百億委員講這個是不公平的因為現在我們這些大學裡邊包含委員陳金任教的學校裡邊很多的這個STEM的老師都然後我們現在提出一個類一學院就是希望能夠大學的理工科的老師然後也能夠肥料我們的人才然後也能夠 |
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好謝謝那個 |