| IVOD_ID |
163810 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163810 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T15:50:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T16:05:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890004e6362ffda4172704543300bdabf028d97010e5f6ab85c44d40c79ee0f93675ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:50:05 - 16:05:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席也是我們的副院長還有卓院長還有行政院的團隊是不是請卓院長請卓院長備詢林委員好卓院長你好因應國際形勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別預算整個總額高達5500億元 |
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本來該特別預算主要因應就是美國總統川普的關稅戰而起但是行政院預算內容預算的整個內容裡面包山包海當行政院不斷以特別之名來行日常之時一般民眾已看不出和年度預算有什麼兩樣 |
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那不少學者也警告濫用特別預算將使整個年度預算審查變成空洞化造成整個國家資源的挫折這是蔡英文時代以前瞻預算來要挾這個地方和國會的一個老伎倆那譬如此次國防部爭取特別預算針對 |
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就是彈藥庫儲的設施還有精品保修工廠庫儲的設施這些相關改善立法院預算中心這個也質疑必須使用特別預算嗎有這樣的迫切性嗎本來國防部應該在年度預算裡面來編列那況且現在馬上就在就要省年度的預算 |
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這個在年度預算裡面編列來改善現在卻挪到特別預算來搭便車 |
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本席是不希望也不樂見行政院得不到想要的預算資源就製作圖卡釋出具有殺傷力這些消息來結合這些側翼打擊審查特別預算的這些委員那本席也呼籲卓院長你應該公開承諾 |
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參考立法院預算中心以及審計部的意見不要讓特別預算變成常態化逐年來減少使用特別預算的比重限縮特別預算適用的範圍回歸常態的預算編列這樣的機制 院長你的看法 |
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報告委員我們當然希望能夠透過年度預算來表現出整個政府施政的重點跟方向但委員剛剛有提到前瞻基礎建設的這個特別預算我想到今天為止很多的委員包括地方的民意代表地方的各級政府 |
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都覺得前瞻基礎建設對地方有很大的注意很多的委員有爭取過只要預算編的合理執行的合理都應該是對於 但是你變成一個常態化啊對不對所以我們我剛剛我早上有說 年度預算應該要編他就列了很多的項目但是他如果 所謂前瞻跟這個對這邊的預算你應該是你要是說特別預算針對要是有災害發生我相信 |
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不要符合預算法的特別預算但是你們現在就是有一點變成巧立名目而且很多的不應該編載這次的預算裡面巧立名目來包山包海的納進去所以說剛剛有很多的委員他們也是有提出這樣的看法跟委員報告以115年為例作業為止會是編列在廣播的部分是1990億 |
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就這個部分它要優先維持裝備的妥善所以資源的配置上來看的話只能夠維持設置的堪用所以預算中心的報告我們有看但是要請委員能夠了解的就是說如果你以我們要整間彈藥庫庫值的設置來看的話這些彈藥庫民國90年以前完成現在都老舊了如果你以作業維持會近三年的比例來看的話每年大概只能夠便宜一億多 |
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這個只能夠維持基本的庫儲設施的修繕但是沒有辦法來因應我們現在要籌購的大量的新式武器要入庫 然後彈藥要囤儲的需求所以我們一次性的在兩年內把它做一個大量的整建之後你不能編在今年的正常預算裡面嗎為什麼一定要編在這一次裡面讓人家感覺 |
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就是有這種感覺啊如果我們把它編在這個今年年度預算裡面的話我們的裝備的頭上的這個部分就幾乎沒有辦法能夠維持到那所以我們庫儲的這個所以說你就巧立名目來把它納在這次裡面庫儲設施的這個部分我們快速的集中資源在短時間裡面在兩年我們就能夠把它強化這個存在已經很久的時間這個就能夠強化我們的戰備的一個力量 |
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這個存在已經很久的時間為什麼一定要在這一次納進來你為什麼不能先前你像這個有變正常預算的時候你納進去對不對你不要講讓人家感覺就是包山包海所以說我們立法院預算中心啊才特別的針對這一點來質疑甚至於審計室審計部他們也有這樣的看法我認為說你們該改則改主委長你認為該不該改 |
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我認為我們每一筆預算包括這次的強化韌性的特別條例跟特別預算都有它跟編制的根據剛剛部長也說過了它急迫性需要在短時間內把這些庫儲設備給它完成起來 |
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如果是在年度預算他一定排擠到目前他現在國防預算裡面相關的設備訓練等等的預算跟委員報告我想任何的作戰要靠後勤假設我們籌貨大量的武器裝備到了我們事實上沒有足夠的後勤來支撐的話這個武器裝備的維持是很困難的 |
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所以我們庫儲設施先要迅速的來整建那我們這一次提就是只是說在兩年的時間之內我們大量的來整建這些相關的庫儲的設施跟這些訓場讓我們的後備戰力一無一的訓練讓我們的這些新式彈藥的武器能夠有一個 |
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囤儲的一個地點這個部分的話有它的一個急迫性存在那如果你一年一年編那這樣的話我們可能要搞個十幾年可是我們沒有辦法等待這樣子的一個慢慢的來做所以我們希望能夠快速的提升我們的能力我就再進一步請教 顧部長 |
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那你像那個我們現在還有多少錢這個預算在美國武器沒有來已經那麼久了多少錢你告訴全國全國的民眾跟委員報告我想這一個所有武器還沒來 |
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所有的現在相關的這些不管是我們一般的軍購的程序或者是用特別條例所一般的這樣子的一個軍購他確實是有一些武器是遲延的但我們現在都盡力的在跟美方協作你不要講現在我是要求說有多少錢還在美國武器沒有來時間已經拖拉那麼長了你告訴全國的民眾 |
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這個一定要清清楚楚啊這個沒有什麼好隱瞞的啊對不對這個再把詳細資料跟委員做報告啦不是認為喔 牽扯到很多事情不要刻意去隱瞞啦不是隱瞞 這牽扯到雙方之間還有一些目前契約在存在的過程當中我們也期待趕快來實現錢給好久 武器別來對不對 大家信誓渡命來 那個 |
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那個美國商務部說美國不能再過度來依賴台灣半導體必須推動這個美台的晶片產能那五五分案 五五分的這種方案成就美國版的一個戲盾美國已經把話講白美國對台積電的要求已經不只是投資美國的廠甚至要將一半以上的產能移往美國 |
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台灣半導體整個產業鏈勢必要跟著台積電一起去美國過去幾個月許多政府官員包括民進黨人士一再駁斥台積電不會變成美積電本席也希望政府堅守立場不能同意如此離譜的條件讓企業跟流台灣避免台灣的半導體產業被美國給掏空 |
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剛剛那個龔部長你講的我都聽過我也瞭解但是啊現在最嚴重就是他要求你把那些整個產業鏈移過去對不對那你要跟著去台灣就是掏空了啊不會啦 巴委員我剛才提到過就是說即便他1635億真的完成那個也要好幾年才完成他是六個廠 |
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六個晶圓廠我們單單剛剛公布的中科就會有四個廠那個我剛剛都有聽過 部長最重要 把握當下所以我們量遠遠超過美國而且技術也是最先進 會在台灣不要美國 講一句話我們什麼都配合啦沒有這樣的事 這就是這樣的想法我們政府院長就明確的提這個不可能答應我是希望說該堅持要堅持啦 |
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經濟部前部長郭志輝6月10日說他對台灣談判的結果有高度信心不至於談出比日本南韓更差的關稅結果到了8月 豬羊變色 |
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除了原本的關稅外台灣還要再疊加20%的關稅美國總統川普9月簽下行政命令確定日本商品試用15%跟韓國不疊加對等關稅的特例 |
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那我請問卓院長以經濟部對美國關稅談判目標是我為之已經取得以日本韓國同樣的這些關稅的條件我們有嗎 |
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報告委員8月7號所暫時實施的台灣跟美國的對等關稅我們是在最惠國待遇上面再加上20%的關稅但是美方也談到將來只要談判最後協定達成的時候這都可以再發生任何的變化我們要爭取的就是把這個對等關稅再合理的往下降同時不要再疊加最惠國的待遇同時對232的 |
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這種優惠以及我們整個供應鏈的合作方式我們盡量把它爭取到對我國最有利的這個方向來我希望那個左院長該堅持還是要堅持我們會很堅持國家利益產業利益你要是不堅持的話 國人都看在眼裡因為那些產業界 他們沒有辦法生存啦對不對 大家心知肚明對不對 你換了 美國換了川普總統難道我們那些原來的產業全部都要收掉嗎 對不對 |
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該堅持還是要堅持如果對美關稅談判最終的結果比主要競爭對手關稅來得多等於是讓國內這些廠商的起跑點 |
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我們現在是用你升級轉型或者是金融上的支持或者是你要拓銷多元市場那全部都有一些補助 |
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有補助他們可以撐嗎那為什麼有補助他們很多要失業他們沒辦法繼續生存我們現在很多的收的案件已經超過一千件不是件的問題啦當下就是那些人就失業啦沒有辦法生存啊老闆根本沒辦法營運啊那個無薪不是叫無薪假這個減班休息是有增加一點但是失業是沒有明顯增加 |
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譬如說機械設備 |
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製造業受到美國關稅影響由產業工會同業工會提出一些影響的數據只要每賣多少產品我們就補助他一些這個關稅的一些差額那這個根據出口時機來這個核銷補助減少美國關稅負面的因素以維護這些產業的競爭力以確保勞工的生計 |
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我們是支持產業啦我們通常不講補貼啦我們是支持產業那現在我們就是我們兩院趕快來合作把這個特別預算通過了讓經濟部 農業部所有的部會我們所有的力道就可以一次的放下去 |
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滿身的設備就可以一直用到我是希望能夠把它解決掉啦不要說這個讓他們沒有辦法生存然後那些要變成到最後事業多要裁員等等造成很多社會問題現在失業率沒有明顯的提升還是持平 |
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另外我再請教民眾也很關心普發現金何時能夠發放日前有一些領退休金奉的這些退伍老兵向本席反映希望請退伍費在今年普發一萬元的時候可以直接入帳到他退伍老兵領退休奉的郵局帳戶中那財政部在此次普發現金對象與方式是不是要跟一二年有不同嗎 |
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916.85 |
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有沒有對象沒有不同沒有不同那我剛剛講的可不可以您剛剛講那個其實我們之前已經研究過因為有所謂的直接入帳就直接進到他的帳戶但是這個資料要非常的完整跟正確才可以那至於這有關退休過去有所謂的退休軍公教的同仁們也反映希望能夠直接入帳但是那個退休金他的方式有各種不同所以沒有辦法完全對上要他簽個欠缺書好了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
917.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
936.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
對不對 你只要簽結結書進到帳戶有就沒有再花了嘛如果簽結結書的話他就可以到網站去登記或去ATM或去郵局也可以領我們郵局有1294個支局都可以去領其實領的方式有非常多 都很方便我是認為啦 比較簡潔一點讓這些人他們不要好 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
946.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
947.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
好,我們時間到,謝謝 |