| IVOD_ID |
163801 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163801 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T12:00:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T12:15:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b8904e7b79f76472cff3704543300bdabf021764375d49d526b92cfcc21c557743ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:11 - 12:15:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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我們財政部總部長麻煩請財政部長備詢經濟部工部長麻煩請經濟部長備詢鄧委員好院長好 辛苦我想幾個問題要來就教院長就是說你上任到現在我們也一直聽到院長一直提到說加強台灣的韌性尤其是產業的一個韌性要強化國安跟經濟安全經濟部也編列了將近 |
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460億的任性的特別預算其中本席去看到提升產業的競爭力開拓多元市場還有研發轉型補助跟爭取海外訂單四項的一個措施這四項措施裡面讓本席想到了就是說很符合 |
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台灣的汽車產業的一個需要那我想我這邊要來跟院長或者兩位部長來做一些現況的一個描述現在台灣的整個汽車產業高稅制它其實對消費者產生很大很大的一個不公平那還有外銷我們也因為競爭力不足其實沒有辦法去打開 |
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那我們即便這一次的特別條例上限把它拉到五千七百億甚至每一個人發放一萬塊來希望來刺激這樣的一個消費坦白講一萬塊對於汽車產業來講就賣不夠了那我本期要提出來就是說我先讓院長跟兩位部長來看一下這三家國產的這家三家外面車型不一樣內裝都國產的這第一張 |
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第二張來看第二張第二張來再往下這個三個都是國產的然後第二張看起來就比較胖胖的兩張呈現出來其實它就是它這個價位都一樣 |
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價位都一樣就是我們長期我們用台灣的汽車的一個真實的一個困境就是說我們用高稅額去保護我們的國產車的一個市場得到的是呢進口車你就必須要被課重稅 |
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然後呢 我們的國產車呢 我也不敢說它的品質落後但是相對去做比較 從安全科技 甚至於內裝材料啊跟其他的進口車來比較的話 可是有時候我們有輸人擔保啦那尤其呢 在九月三十號 幾天前而已嘛 三天前而已 |
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國產車的商用貨車在台灣撞擊測試裡面得到零顆星我們撞擊測試零顆星是從2024年9月到2025年9月已經賣出了一萬一千台 |
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本期要講的就是說撞出史上零顆星車商出來講說完全符合中華民國車輛安全標準安全無疑那國產的轎車在6月26號台灣撞擊測試裡面是三顆星可是相對相對在於其他你說中國也好或者說韓國的跟我們同等級的車也好用歐盟的規格撞擊測試人家五顆星 |
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所以我覺得本席就非常感慨的就是說我們用這樣的一個高關稅的一個保護我們卻沒有換來我們的國際上的一個競爭力部長 莊部長我們現在進口車稅率幾% 17.5%進口車的關稅是17.5%日本0%歐盟呢 |
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你看看歐盟這裡跟中國15%歐盟10%美國2.5%那我們這麼高的稅率這樣還不打緊喔我們17.5%完以後我們還加一個25%的貨物稅 |
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當然什麼樣的一個考量我們當年這幾十年來我們為了保護了整個我們國產車可是保護到最後這樣子很可惜本席要講的就是說你像譬如說未來的汽車它其實都是電動化還有智慧化而且我們的強項 |
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半導體也我們的強項電池管理也我們的強項晶片也我們的強項那是不是我們國家的汽車產業的政策應該來做一個轉變資源如何去做整合你如果說像過去幾十年我們在做汽車的輸人技術打造精密的我們輸假設我們都輸那國際市場我們就沒辦法出去可是接下來整個汽車它就是一個就是像一部行動電腦一樣 |
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晶片怎麼搞 半導體怎麼搞 電池關聯 我們都世界一流那就沒有理由我們這汽車產業還必須要用高關稅升這個17.5% 乘完以後再乘一個25%對消費者來講 第一個 不公平第二個 我們的產業 我們沒有辦法創出一個像我們科技產業一樣 有一個國際上的一個大品牌 |
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我不曉得部長你的看法 或者院長你的看法能夠補充一下嗎先跟委員報告這個2000cc以下的小客車的貨物稅已經有減徵了第一個太舊換新可以減徵5萬不是另外還可以新購的話 |
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也可以減5萬所以如果是太舊換新購買新車的話是可以減10萬另外就是電動車全電動車的話它是貨物稅是0%然後使用牌照稅也是0%這兩個都沒有其實就有就是鼓勵我們民眾導向電動車以及產業能夠在這個部分鼓勵往電動車來做發展這個在貨物稅的部分已經做調整了那貨物稅不管是進口車或是國產車都一致適用 |
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是 我的意思就是說國產車基本上它是有分成就是說國內的品牌另外一種就是像和泰它是帶TOYOTA的所以那個母公司還是在日本但是它還是算國產車然後這些國產車包括和泰他們總共加起來還有零組件事實上就業人數還是有二三十萬人 |
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所以我們這一次在討論到貨物稅減免的時候其實我們就是針對這樣一個重點我們希望 |
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過去採取高稅率保護的時代到現在來看我覺得那是不合時宜的過去是產業剛好萌芽剛好發展也需要能夠帶動國內的產業到現在為止國內產業陳如委員所說的我們在相當的領域當中很強了所以對汽車業的保護應該過去不一樣的眼光來看我們希望他能夠進入到國際市場甚至在國內就要 |
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應該啊 我們整個國家 |
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我希望我們在我們左院長帶領的團隊裡面汽車產業因應整個現在的整個條件的一個變化我們的強項的那些 應該整合資源然後創造出我們自己的國際的品牌每一行都會贏人 還要跟這些人輸人漏氣 兩位部長請回現在接下來是不是請我們請內政部的劉部長麻煩請內政部長備詢 |
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我們今天一直在談這個韌性我一直在想我們這個韌性裡面我特別要提出來就是說糧食安全他其實是國土安全的一個基礎農民的一個權益更是社會韌性的一個底座土地的正義更是區域發展不可或缺的一環台灣早期的 |
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經濟的一個發展其實站在他背後是一群手拿著鋤頭的農民談任性其實這個部分才是台灣最重要要談的一個任性那我想戰後工地放領有三個階段就從早期 |
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1951年到1976年配合耕地耕者有其田分9期去釋出了14萬甲的土地我們也培養出20萬個自耕農但是後來終止掉了這個很可惜了 |
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那接下來到1989年的時候又去專案放你大家佛資格啊放靈你既然要放你國家收了那麼多土地回來了1989年的時候針對林場合作社實驗林個案然後又去做一個放你可是呢到了1994年到2002年的時候呢你要彌補這個停辦的不一致又開始去放你那我相信這些院長都很清楚了那 |
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大家都知道中華民國政府到台灣他是沒有帶半片土地來的在清朝的時候哪有土地登記制度沒有土地登記制度是到了日本政府來殖民的時候開始去做土地調查去做土地調查的時候有些土地去登記了國民政府來了把日本人趕走了 |
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趕走了以後接收了這麼多的日產然後在我們國民政府來以後實施土地總登記以前很多農民 |
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你覺得我們公營一台、我們租運一台,不,太貴了啦那有什麼叫做登記然後第二個,228的陰影又在那政府既然都已經三階段了,符合條件了就是說我這些工地政府把你給收回來了就是要放零給農民耕者有其田 |
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他知道我大地主或者韓院長在南東大地主我們一百甲我們上等田我們只有可以留下1.5甲然後其他的98.5甲全部被國民政府給收走了收走了理由是說我要耕著有機田我要放寧給廣大的農民可是沒有啊政府就收走了你也沒有普遍去放寧啊 |
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所以從當初收歸國有他就不正義你政府你把人家收走了然後你沒有放給農民第一個第二個同樣廣大的農民一直在耕作的有的人有工地方領導 |
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西部的有南部的也有那有的縣市就跳過去花東又變成沒有全台灣我看公有地占最多89% 將近98%的就是花東 |
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山林嘛保安林嘛就占了一大堆嘛那是國有 沒話講可是問題是說長期以來一直在這個地方耕作的然後過去政府也實施工地放領的政策到最後你因為九二一大地震因為桃枝颱風喊卡那剛好你認為我們現在大南澳不認為我們大南澳要去示範重啟嗎本席都認為第一個 平等原則 |
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大家都喊你內政部的資格資格是你內政部審核的嘛你如果審核通過以後怎麼他有怎麼那個縣市有屏東沒有台東沒有華聯沒有本席認為這個就不公平了所以呢以台東來看的話現在經過你內政部2004年核定的有 |
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魏放寧的土地777筆787筆162公頃這是國產署的一個統計是不是剛好我們看到我們卓院長 |
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你起來之後 當然要領去示範啊那對其他的縣市 是不是符合你政府自己所設定的標準比如說1976年 你說啊 你就達到 你就長期在做耕種本來你1976年以前 你就在耕作了我政府就是要放領給你的那因為什麼因素 喊卡的 |
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是不是應該藉著這個我要請部長或者院長來做一個比較明確的答覆好不好我先答覆一下這個委員剛剛說歷史上遺留下的問題我們現在如果能夠把它解決我覺得我們是替歷史還原一種正義尤其是委員所說的土地正義 |
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關於大囊奧這件事情因為他過去你剛剛說過有幾個階段性他曾經在過去的這個處理當中同意過他放零後來因為原因停下來了所以我們現在認為如果這樣子把程序完成這是第一步第二部分就是還有沒有其他的也是有同樣條件的曾經同意過現在停下來我們全面再檢視一次第三個 |
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要完全貫徹土地正義叫全面的檢討如果沒有涉及到國家安全沒有涉及到公共安全而且土地的所有權上現在沒有任何紛爭的那有歷史上的證明他應該可以釋放給現在使用的過去曾有使用證明的這些人我們願意做這樣的全面性的檢討那麼檢討的過程內政部財政部都要去做通例的一些盤點 |
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跟做一些必要的一些攻擊對陣起來我們確定就是三個先後順序來做從大南澳縣市辦有同意過的我們比照可以來辦理另外全面性的檢討那所以說我剛剛部長我剛所提到的經過你按照院長的講法台東現在這777米這100多公頃內政部曾經同意過的我們就要去把它開啟了我在這個地方啊百分之一萬的來肯定啊我們整個總院長的一個團隊啊 |
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這是國家欠農民歷史的一筆債該還了啦這筆債你本來就該還啦你這樣那個台拓地你還有海埔新生地我大概都還沒講咧政府你鼓勵人家去開墾墾的以後是你的結果到最後政府說停這個這邊政府你一個政策去欺騙人農民辛辛苦苦去做一個耕作到現在 |
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好 謝謝莊瑞雄委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |