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會議時間 2024-12-18T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議(事由:繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於農業部主管,非營業部分:農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及信託基金部分:農民退休基金。(處理) 【12月18日及19日二天一次會】)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 好辛苦喔!
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 早?
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 臨時委員會議
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 委員會主席
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 委員會主席
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議.事入時間113年12月4日星期三9時至15時47分113年12月5日星期四9時至14時17分.點紅101會議室出席委員、正任前委員等14人、列席委員、中嘉賓委員等20人、列席人員
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 113年12月4日星期三農業部長陳俊介與內政部勞動部主計總署各單位代表及相關人員113年12月5日星期四國防會主委劉建卿主計總署代表及相關人員主席邱昭吉委員置委
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 報告事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定討論事項一繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分決議一稅務部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第158項農業部250萬第159項林業及自然保育屬及所屬2713萬5000元第160項農村發展及水土保持屬及所屬1945萬元
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 委員會議
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 臺東區農業改良廠五列數第177項漁業屬及所屬2694萬7千元第178項動植物防疫檢疫屬及所屬5328萬7千元第179項農業金融屬100萬元第180項農糧屬及所屬16萬元第181項農田水利屬10萬元第182項農業科技園區管理中心2萬元以上均照列
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 委員會主席
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 第150項農田水利署無列數第151項農業科技園區管理中心773萬5千元照列第4款財產收入第171項農業部580萬9千元第172項林業及自然保育署及所屬2億3459萬9千元第173項農村發展及水土保持署及所屬38萬元第174項農業試驗所及所屬108萬2千元第175項
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 本項通過決議69項第二項林業及自然保育署及所屬108,717萬7千元照列
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 本項第21項通過決議12項第22項農業金融屬6億5498萬4千元照列本項通過決議7項第23項農糧屬及所屬52億5792萬1千元照列本項通過決議11項第24項農田水利屬元月99億1759
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 本項通過決議兩項有關政事別輸出預算水土穩上機關別審查結果調整繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於農業部主管.非營業部分.農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金決議令定期繼續審查
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 113年12月5日新決事討論事項一繼續審查114年中央政府總預算案關於行政稅務預算第五款第一項第二目際國家發展委員會及所屬單位預算部分決議
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 一稅入部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第十項國家發展委員會無列數第十一項檔案管理局一萬元照列第三款規費收入第七項檔案管理局一百零三萬一千元照列第四款財產收入第十一項國家發展委員會六百三四萬六千元第十二項
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 檔案管理局461,000元以上均照列第5款營業逾10月收入第一項行政院第二模非營業特種基金剩餘繳庫無劣數第7款其他收入第10項國家發展委員會143.7萬元第12項檔案管理局208,000元以上均照列
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 稅出部分第二款行政院主管第6項國家發展委員會原列36億3316萬2千元除第12目非營業特種基金9億元暫照列是所屬非營業特種基金審議確定再行條整換檢列媒體政策及業務選導費300萬元取經照列改列為36億3016萬2千元本項通貨決議事實項第7項檔案管理局10億9263萬6千元照列
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 假行政院主管:作業基金使用國家發展基金:業務計劃因預計業務收支轉投資固定資產資源設改然後擴充其資金運用等向之審查結果隨從調整。 二業務收支一業務總收入310億6728萬元
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 2.業務總支出58億7,928萬2千元3.
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 本期剩餘245億8,799萬8千元以上均照列3.
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 結繳工戶無劣數4.
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 轉投資計畫無劣數5.
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 固定資產及建設改良擴充5,750萬4千元照列6.
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 國庫申報基金為無劣數通過決議18項2.
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 特別收入基金離島建設基金業務計畫因應
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 資金來源與用途審查結果隨通調整二基金來源用途及餘處一基金來源9101469000元二基金用途9103599000元三本期短處213萬元以上捐造列結繳工庫列數四透過決議三項三特別收入基金花農地區永續發展基金一業務計畫依據基金來源用途審查結果隨通調整二基金來源用途及餘處一基金來源600萬元二基金用途28億
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 8144萬4千元本期短促28億7544萬4千元以上均照列結繳公庫列數通過決議一項特別收入基金促進轉型正義基金
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 一、業務計畫應據基金來源與用途審查結果隨中調整二、基金來源用途給予一處一、基金來源簽名38萬元二、基金用途1億5千367萬5千元三、本期短處8千329萬5千元以上均照列三、截角工庫列數四、通過決議四項散會宣讀完畢好,請問在常委員上市會議數有錯誤
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 沒有,我們確定依次錄依次錄確定現在進行討論事項請宣讀繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於農業部主管.非營業部分.農業作業基金.農田水利事業作業基金.農業特別收入基金及信託基金部分.農民退休基金今日處理宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 好 這個有關於農業部主管的非營業基金預算於11月18日第10次會議詢答結束並於12月4日第19次會議將審查項目與委員提案宣讀完畢我們今天依序進行農業部非營業基金的預算協商好 我們先進行114年度農業作業基金來 立案
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 議案,因為收入提案委員不在,我們照列。第二案、第三案,必案處理。呃,政政前委員有沒有意見?好,政委員。呃,針對第二案部分的話,因為那個農業部的沒宣費,其實本來就是大家一直都長期存在一些問題。
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 我們本來之前就都很關注到那我發現農業作業基金在明年預算裡面沒有編埋宣費可是編推展費金額雖然不大可是比112年的決算數多了70%所以之前請他們來做說明的時候其實說明的非常的不清楚那他們補資料他們也都沒有補資料那到今天為止的時候都還沒有補任何資料進來所以我希望主張這個案子的時候能夠檢定40萬元謝謝以上
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 農業部署名
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 針對我們的試驗單位所屬試驗單位賣種子的時候的一個宣導他跟媒體的那個宣導是不一樣的所以我們希望說因為這個項目針對讓農民知道我們的新的品種然後去推動這是很重要的希望能夠免疫檢列
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 好 賴立榮我是建議 因為剛剛也說明很清楚這是新的品種的一個宣導那我認為這個也非常重要包括種子那我希望說能不能政委員能夠不要刪減那如果真的還是那個話要不然就用凍結的方式給他們提順便說明的方式不要影響到這個這個這個種子跟一些推廣的一些工作好不好好 聖地飛謝謝齁但是剛剛政委員說你們都沒有給他資料是什麼一回事啊
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 114年有給有給資料到辦公室去有給到辦公室所以有沒有有說明沒有給喔沒有給沒有給沒有給我們11月2月9號過來講的時候我們有要求提出說明那你們當時說明的很簡要因為金額不大可是我們要求提部細部的時候並附上今年到11月的執行的狀態那到目前為止也都還沒有給
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 你會把那一份資料給鄭委員啦對啊 給鄭委員啦 直接給鄭委員啦給人看一下好不好對啊 因為人家要資料給人家人家要閃你也剛剛好欸現在你們手邊的說明資料就提供給鄭委員了好不好這個委員要求資料說明你們這個要務必要確實因為這個錢其實不多但是那是
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 你說明沒有說明清楚人家當然要砍你阿
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 第2個案服務費跟推廣費我們凍結20萬提出書本報告之後使人動之第4案提案委員不在照例第5案第6案謝一鳳跟陳廷飛第5案的部分委員以同意改組決議好謝一鳳委員改組決議那廷飛呢
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 這個部分我想我要了解的是說我們現在在整個產品之後然後我們是比上年度預算減少了為什麼?為什麼減少?委員是指哪一部分?對不起對啊那個啊續產的部分啊就是這個生產續出跟改良改良市值產品成本
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 整個在生產量的部分因為考慮到在整個跟我們契約廠商的合約的部分我們需要做一些這個調整對啊 調整怎麼可能是越少
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transcript.whisperx[66].text 是因為數量嗎?那為什麼數量你們算出來是這個樣子?你們的關鍵在哪裡?我只是希望說你們減少的關鍵在哪裡?減少是減少在哪裡?
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 就是在產量的部分因為在這個2025年的在整個乳品上面可能會比較生產量可能會比較多所以我們在做一些這個調整面上面就希望不要生產過量造成沒辦法賣出去大概是這樣的考量很奇怪啊
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 這個就是在說2025我們面對現在因為台紐經濟合作協定你們因為這樣子預估減少對不對你們希望是減少啦
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 是不是?你們希望產量是減少的所以我們現在有淘汰乳牛的部分對不對?你們是這樣子期待這樣減少可是實際上是這樣嗎?而且現在你們所有的通盤的一些計畫也並沒有出來啊是可以像你們預期這樣嗎?你們想要這麼容易嗎?我不這樣認為
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 你們想得很美好依照你們美好的處理方式跟思考方式但是是這樣嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 作業基金基本上不是純粹爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了爲了
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 當然你們有解釋我現在只有問說2025面對台紐經濟合作協定裡面這樣的一個因素紐西蘭他的乳品要進來你們都準備好了嗎?你們對於這些續產業的這些問題你們都已經做好準備了嗎?都能夠因應了嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 這個部分我想容我跟委員說明就是委員所關切的台牛的這些牛奶的部分那我們相對的產業的一個輔導推動包括寡產牛的部分去做一個調控然後總量的調控從48萬我們希望說大概在43萬到45萬之間那這個部分還有一些
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 有關於乳品的品質還有多元開發的部分都有在一個專案在做那敘事所的作業基金裡面他本身也有產業的牛奶那我們希望說他本身的牛奶如果量減少他希望做更多的事情包括有一些乳品的這些鑑定的技術的開發還有多元的乳品的開發在敘事所可以強化這一塊而不是去生產牛奶來賣所以我們有做了一整頓這樣的調整
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 你做了就是減少它的這個生產量把它轉型嘛你現在是轉型嘛那叫做轉型不是預算要更增加嗎我是看你們是減少啊
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 因為整個的一個牛奶的生產有它的實際的成本:這個是作業基金啊 對不對對,作業基金裡面本身它有一部分是做研究的部分我們希望說那研究的部分它本身的經費是比較少的所以它整體的成本的經費是下降的
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 這個部長你自己去看你們的內容我也不刪你我也不動你就是希望我變成主決議主決議然後你把它整個你的配套還有你現在你要轉型的部分
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 你現在你說你產量要減少就你不要去與民爭利嘛你減少你減少之後你要轉型你轉型要更大的一些計畫跟做法你錢怎麼會減少呢你們只有說自己高興的我這樣點你們就清楚了啦怎麼會減少你們這個轉型要符合轉型正義這個第6案陳立法委員改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[79].text 第7案實驗委員這個項目的話是針對我們續產的實驗所他們整個業務的基礎的費用但是我們看到最近幾年來這個生乳的生產量是逐漸的成長尤其在109年到112年
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 它的產量在43萬公噸提高到47萬公噸在112年的成長值也到了133億但是我們剛剛也提到了就面對著明年紐西蘭的這個長效鮮奶要進口而且是零關稅對於我們國內的這個生乳一定是有非常大的衝擊對於產銷方面那我們整個那個實驗所應該要對於糯農怎麼樣去強化品質
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 實驗室對強化品質一定是有一套的一個因應的一個措施但是我們要瞭解的就是說怎麼樣去維持它整個市場的這個競爭力才能避免我們基金整個收入會受到影響那尤其是這個落農要怎麼去輔導它而且我們現在也提到說要班班有先來
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 阿你們這慢慢有些奶這個產量的問題還有處理的過程的問題我們還沒有看到部長這邊有沒有一套做法出來
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 還有就是說你這個整個配套來講話有些不喝鮮奶的你是不是應該要做學校調查一下這個鮮奶的要有多少瓶然後調味奶有多少瓶讓孩子們能夠落實到我們政府的美意每個人都能喝到牛奶
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transcript.whisperx[85].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 等一下再說明,下一位請謝一鳳我也附和一下就是我們李玉琳委員的提案就是斑斑有先乳這個部分目前是在於就是學童的部分但是我們面對到目前已經臺灣已經是高齡化了那高齡長者的缺概的現象也普遍
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 那是不是應該要落實到就是教職員也應該要來就是說補充蓋職那因為畢竟未來有可能所有的公務人員的就是高齡的情況越來越嚴重那這個部分是不是能夠擴及到教職員那也能夠順利讓這個就是說我們因應這個紐西蘭關就是說先入零關稅的這個進口的問題
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 那是不是未來我們應該要通盤來檢討那再來就是在保酒乳的部分會不會因為我們現在沒有驗證台灣保酒乳的這樣子相關的方法那認證的方式那沒有認證的方式的時候會不會造成
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 農業部跟教育部在這個就是細緻度上面就是如果冷藏設備不足的部分應該怎麼處理那冷鏈的部分應該怎麼處理應該更細緻的規劃才能讓這個政策能夠具體的落實請農業部回答
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 首先要說明的是有關於那個國產路推動到學童午餐的部分那第一個部分我們現在正在收集各縣市的這些就是他們多元的那個供應的這些意見那這些意見已經收集的差不多了那初步來看不同的縣市他們有不同的做法那有包括要發數位券或實體券然後甚至於
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 通過契約或是營養午餐的這個供應那基本上我們會針對地方政府所提的這些多元的供應方式我們會由地方來主導然後中央做必要的一個協助我們不會去規範說一定用什麼樣的一個方式來處理那至於說相關的這些必須要中央部會來協助的部分
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 例如說數位卡的部分那可能又要跟這些超市跟那些協調我們會來跟縣市政府一起來跟這些相關的單位來協調那職員的部分我們會考量進去因為職員的部分我覺得有必要去考量高齡的部分我們是用綠色照護的那個經費跟支持會去處理
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 第7案,我們是凍結50萬,好不好?那個,理委員,你提案,我們凍結50萬。好,凍結50萬提出出任務報告審訟是第8案,也是理委員。
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 針對第8案就是我們的農業生物科技園區這個出租率不佳啦那112年到113年它平均出租率只有43%那我們可預見的就是說114年你在這個198公頃的土地上還有73.9公頃的土地還沒有出租喔
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 這個能不能說明一下那跟委員報告那科技園區是它有兩期那第一期原本的93可以出租93公頃在差不多78年前它已經快滿所以我們在78年開始走手在110年的時候第二期的部分有93公頃可以出租結果我們這幾年就有30公頃出租出去
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 所以是因為兩期加起來會讓整個感覺上是比較低其實我們一年大概上都有將近10公頃的出租面積出去那未來我們會繼續努力委員都知道我們繼續努力希望不要你總面積不是198嗎對就是兩期加在一起那兩期加在一起第一期的已經達到百分之九十幾了那第二期的第二期已經百分之三十了
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 兩位科技演習因為都在屏東
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 農科主任您說第二期是110年開始對不對110年開始嘛那現在的出租率只有百分之三十幾
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 有什麼精進的想法如何把這些土地招租出去一般的工業區現在大家都是找不到土地
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 其實農科研區他比較是算是說他在環境要求上會比較高所以他大概進來都是比較算是低污染的第一個那第二個他比較傾向是跟農業有關係最好是能夠拉抬農業
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 所以一般想說是工業區那一種的工廠要進來那我們原則上說我們是主要是來輔導我們農業的發展所以在選項上有它的困難度那我們是再積極目前來講我們的安心食品已經進來了剛剛桂冠也是在這幾年進來了吼那信和這大穀物料也是進來了那呃
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 還有幾家比較算是像食安牧場他也準備進來所以我們都希望能夠把一些跟農業有相關的產業進來那這樣子才可以來拉抬台灣的農業是這樣的一個目標啦好下一位賴瑞榮好我也是建議啦因為既然農業生物科技園區的部分這個其實應該是蠻重要但是招商不佳的原因那我還是希望部長能夠去重視啦因為
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transcript.whisperx[108].text 為什麼招商不加那是否一些條件上的問題還是說招商遇到為什麼廠商不願意進駐這個招商我覺得部長可能要通盤去檢討不然如果持續這樣的話那是不是整個政策的目的到底哪邊有一些狀況要做調整我覺得還是要請部長整個通盤再去檢討一下那我也傾向是用凍結給更多機會那等一下這補一個
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 另外還是要趁這個機會提醒因為錢正宇港的部分遭上我希望部長還是要持續加油我希望盡快的把這個好的廠商找出來這個私下我再找部長再來談一下農科也可以提到錢正宇港
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 農業科技園區作業基金動結500萬提出說明報告指責動失第7項部分是動結50萬提出說明報告第9項
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 主席,這個案子我會提出說需要全數凍結是因為這個標案是在113年3月27日決標的那這個得標的廠商恆基總決標金額是528萬左右
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 旅約期其實是從113年的4月3號到9月25號但是由於113年的年度預算並沒有編列相關的預算卻先行辦理採購
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 才由今年來編這個預算由114年來編這個預算而且呢不是並非這個補辦預算顯然他這筆預算是未循預算程序辦理所以我要求凍結這個預算然後說明這個系統是不是有重複建置或預算的這個編列的這個程序的疑義可以先釐清再請解凍
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 這個農業部先說明你們之前有沒有跟張委員溝通過沒有約到時間跟我們做報告第一個是因為主改的關係那個可以準備的期間非常的短所以我們在這麼短的時間那整個資生物的系統它其實非常的複雜包括很多產品的這個生產銷售等等這些所以我們在這個有限的時間底下
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 那因為這個部分它是無形的資產所以它不是管制的項目那我們因為業務的需求我們就用這個直接請購的方式來做這個辦理那另外一個就是剛剛委員提到有沒有重複編列的問題其實是沒有齁因為它是整個整個一個對不起標案
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 那這樣子的標準我們從在整個系統上面前後他是有這個連貫性的沒有重複性的疑慮以上
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 那他為什麼不用補辦預算?他要用今年來?而且為什麼別的單位,農業部其他單位都沒有這個問題只有你有這個問題?你們之前就應該無論如何想方設法用盡任何方法就要跟張委員溝通你們說沒有遇到時間我們沒辦法接受
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 這早就應該溝通好 不是在這邊討論的 這個是不是 那個嘉峻我們是凍結100萬好不好
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 主席主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 徵召辦理徵召辦理徵召辦理
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 二十二之一啊!你們看一下!欸!續產的啊!續產終於集結了
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 主席主席主席主席主席
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 這個三案我們待會再處理齁來我們先處理農田水利事業作業基金來先處理23案提案委員會再照列24案來來囉
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 那個是不是請先說明一下吧是,非常感謝委員的追尋那我們農田水利署這個旅運費之所以增加是因為明年這個主計總署把我們公務人員這個每人每日的住宿費有2000元那麼提為平日是3500塊那麼假日是4500塊我們是按照這樣的一個比例然後來這個整列的
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 那我問一下你們的決算數其實你們的決算數跟預算數差的相當大你們差了八千多萬你們領運費編了一億兩千三百八十四萬但是你們決算數相差六千多萬
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 那這個部分是跟委員報告那最主要是因為在112年的上半年事實上還有一些疫情所以當時我們的一些差異就比較少那因為隨著這個大家的生活逐漸的這個回復所以我們就按照過去這樣的一個次數然後我們來估量我還是希望你們遵節來支出好不好那我就建議凍結200萬然後提出運報再行結凍好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 提出書面報告時的動詞
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 謝謝主席我剛剛才拿到農業部給的資料我在這邊也特別講一下我看到這資料裡面的時候農田水利事業的作業基金就是跟農業作業基金一樣其實它沒有編列沒宣費可是對推展費的部分編列7208.7萬元的推展費比112年的決算數增加28%
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 增加了1600萬那你們剛剛提供出來資料的時候我稍微馬上看了一下對於整個的執行狀態到11月底的時候不到50%預計到今年的整個執行度也不到80%所以我覺得28%可能也剛剛好而已所以我這邊也是主張就是減裂1600萬以上 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 這檢列會不會讓你們推廣這個電子電視說推廣的業務會造成影響跟委員報告齁那在112年的時候那也是因為上半年的一些疫情的關係所以我們事實上相關的這個活動那我們就有點減少甚至沒有辦那麼那
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 那在這個113年事實上我們實際執行數是有比112年多那因為我們在這個推展費裡面有很重要的一塊是針對如果當這個比較乾旱的時候那我們必須在地方上辦大量的這樣的一個節約用水以及這個輪流灌溉的這樣的一個說明會那因為今年的這個水情相對比較好所以我們這一塊當然就
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 陳敬飛議員
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 我想這個部分我們要拜託說這部分真的不能刪可是你們也做得不夠因為我必須跟署長報告跟部長報告就是說其實我們過去還沒有轉為公務單位的時候其實水利會只要是有針對所謂要調度水的問題
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 會跟所有農民邀集來做討論然後跟他們溝通看說到底什麼時候做這樣的事情會比較OK然後我們把水利署當時候是這個我們各河川局他們會報上去給水利署然後水利署就是依照他們整個水情調度的狀況然後跟我們
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 水利會當時是水利會可是現在變成公務單位之後我們少做了這個區塊所以這個農民在跟我反映說現在好像我們就是什麼時候要關水什麼時候要幫水什麼時候要輪流基本上他們都是聽從命令可是是不是真的這樣就可以去處理到水的問題或是幫助到他們
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 其實不是所以我是不是可以拜託我們可以回歸到過去水利會的狀態一樣也就是說只要是我們真的要調度水了調度水的時候我們跟農民開一個會然後讓他們知道現在水情的狀況是如何像我們明年二月嘛我們工格啊他們工格比較窄捏啊現在大家撲不條啊
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 他們說根本就已經跟之前的時間有點不一樣所以他們以為跟以前一樣所以都有調度了結果你們現在突然之間跟他說二月
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 他們措手不及所以我是不是可以要求部長還有我們的署長我們也是要照著公務單位也要照著人家過去3、2會有這樣做我們特別公告單位公務單位後我們是不是如果要掉肚水的時候也開一個我們這裡小組長跟他們大家開一個會
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 這樣好不好?讓他們知道,然後他們可以提供意見啊說,欸不是,我們是不是可以這樣調整大家取得最大共識,讓他們拿到資料,不是,但你講過了那他來歡迎的時候,我們跟你反映的時候,你說沒辦法講過啊,哇,那個感覺很不好所以這個部分是不是,那我建議這一筆預算不要刪,因為這個很重要,但是要落實
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 如果你能夠做到未來讓他們能夠有參與感 那我覺得這筆預算應該就是要給你 謝謝現在確實極端氣候的狀況越來越嚴重 曾經高雄有一整年的時間是幾乎不下雨 沒有水 那沒有水的狀況下 節水就很重要 如果大家沒有節水的話 特別是農田水利有很重要的水源
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 那還好那段時間南部撐過去了就是包括各個不管是從農業的到產業大家努力的撐過去但是我們永遠不知道極端氣候下什麼時候又再出現有時候突然一瞬間一天下一天下一千多毫米的水有時候可能一年都不下所以我說這種極端氣候下確實我們需要做更多因應那其實我是認同
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 農田水利這邊我們要更多的一些宣導特別是遇到這種旱災發生的時候一定要提醒大家不斷的宣導大家來節約用水然後讓我們的水源能夠穩定的供應所以我是建議政府能不能就是不要當然要求要尊潔支出啦但是不要刪減因為這個錢有可能都是救命錢如果沒有水
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 既然講到這裡我還是要提一下就是說我們的農田水利事業有很多的灌溉菌那其實像在美農這個水菌文化其實是一個蠻悠久的歷史
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 但是因為這幾年歸到這個把它變成公單位之後其實對於地方的這些農田水利的分屬比如說我條明的講像我們美農辦了很多水具的文化節可是對於分屬的同仁來講他們就很為難因為他們認為法令上那個是灌溉溝渠所以不能在那裡辦活動
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 可是對於在地的社區或者是在地人來講那個是一個兒時回憶或者是一個跟土地接近的這樣的一個活動所以是不是能夠有一些比較折衷的辦法能夠既保留這樣的一個灌溉勾取然後也能夠讓一些地方產業的活動也能夠同時舉辦這個是我的請求啦那第二點就是說
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 那這個水到底是農業用水重要還是民生用水重要?其實有一些比較偏遠的山區它其實是要利用你們的灌溉溝渠然後才能夠去取水可是變成會對水利單位來講你這個是灌溉用的
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 我問一下那個水利署
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 農業水利署,你推管費這個7000多萬是本署使用還是各分署也會用到這筆錢?全部都是各管理署所以全國各縣市都有分署包括新竹、台中、高雄都有分署所以這筆推展費是下放到各分署
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 委員會提升推管的效率及效能
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 那我就覺得說如果是這狀態的時候我們是不是先凍結20%然後等到真的水晴他們需要去宣導說因為今年他們執行率也不到80%他們今年預計的執行率是不到80%的
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 好 那我們是不是先動一下 反正等到真的他們需要再宣導的時候 我們再來做解凍好 那個楊修昕請問那個鄭振泉委員的提案那剛剛這個
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 農水署也說明因為以前基金不是公務預算因為以前又碰到疫情所以有一些錢的確沒有辦法我們審預算就是我們會很詳細去看這是第一點如果說確實是以疫情方面我覺得剛剛曾政權有非常的智慧也就是不刪用動的
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 但是我認為應該可以動10%當然這個大家討論我的理由是什麼呢我要很嚴肅的跟農業部說農水署說因為像最近這兩三天當然我們歸咎在氣候的變遷很大所以你們的需求一定要去謹慎這是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 但是我要勉勵你們也就是說如果政府公務門可以做的不要隨意去發佈訊息我們政委員我一定是支持他因為他跟我們服務處就是被打到爆了啦實際上就是如此
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 各位小組長因為某某稀水不夠所以我們停止灌溉你看就這麼宣布那你讓民眾絕對會談到我們這邊來那我非常感謝蔡組長他聽到訊息半夜一點的時候聽到訊息說我不想明天又去抗議所以半夜一點你要給他加獎
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 半夜一點他接電話我說你立即你去盤查真的不夠也不夠但是一定有夠不可能臨時不夠的啦不可能啦所以他馬上調整他說明天中午以前我再給你放水我們還要再去給民眾講你放心啦這樣可以啦
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 那我現在要講的意思就是說我知道你們很辛苦因為隨時變化但是你可能勉勵我們的同仁EQ比較高的啦你不要立即啦 對不對你不要只有儲存你自己啦你應該要儲存老百姓啦儲存我們的農民啦非得沒辦法的時候很恐怖啦
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 對不對 你不要貿然看還有可以調整的空間 你連看都沒有看 你就給他算薄 難怪我 政委員跟我 我們一定抓狂嘛 這個不需要我們去讓民眾恐慌的 對不對 你好想是碰到一個好署長 他半夜一點要接電話 不然又要說霸凌了
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 農業部主管
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 第25項推展費
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 我們這個凍結1000萬提出書面報告後10的凍資來26萬來停飛26萬還是改組決議沒有等一下我要那個凍結然後凍結100萬然後那個書面報告後10的凍資因為他們有來跟我說明啦但是我覺得還是書面資料資料說你們增加在哪裡那為什麼增加這可能比較重要好我要書面好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 那個我要簽名啊 這個我要提案 我要加入 26號 26號 凍結100萬26號 你要問一下嗎 好來
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 我要請教,因為這個是一般建築跟設備會用。我要請教因為現在所有的都說是這個少缺工啊。我們的現象有沒有這種現象?這是第一點。因為我們編列明年度的預算,那個環境部
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 工程會工程會在年底在12月底就這個月底他們會公佈材質的碳的比例我們要求的我們不喜歡說一直標一直標一直標標標不出去這樣很浪費所以你乾脆政府提供一個大概大概的母數標準讓人家要標的人有所依歸尤其是材質在工廠的啦豬尼的這種的啦什麼空的這個
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 12月底要提出所以在我們編列建築跟設備的時候我們有沒有把這個概念納進來有沒有納進來你要不要說明一下因為你不納進來你明年又是這個又delay那個又delay因為我們的工程會12月底他就要公佈請做說明
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 非常感謝委員的追尋那事實上我們的確在112年的時候當時上半年有受到一些疫情的影響那所以工程的就是有缺工然後同時那個還有一些這個原物料的一些上漲所以導致工程招標比較困難不過我們也很快的去調整那相關的單價我們依照政府採購法第16條的相關規定去做一些調整所以後來都順利的這個招標出去了
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 主席,您沒有回答本席的問題本席是說12月底他們要公布這個碳費的一個標準那你們在編列明年的時候您有沒有把這個因子加進去本席要提問的是這個有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 第5段後面的其中土地及房屋建築
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 到下一行的那個進度我看過了可以接受29案修正通過30案遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理�
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 22-1-2-3來 遵照辦理 22-1遵照辦理 84-1遵照辦理 來 照案通過 84-2遵照辦理 照案通過這個今天天氣比較寒冷齁 我們這個休息10分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 必要時延長兩分鐘啊
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 農業特別收入基金36萬推廣費振振錢
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 謝謝主席其實我今天就是針對推展費的部分其實我就特別去關注了一下其實我覺得農業特別收入基金這部分其實相較於農業作業基金跟農田水利作業基金其實我覺得情況更為嚴重嚴重在哪裡?第一個是
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 農業作業基金跟農田水利事業作業基金基本上都沒有編煤宣費可是特別收入基金這邊的時候他有編煤宣費已經編了4000多萬將近5000萬然後他又編了將近2億1900
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 一億九千三百九十五點四萬元 是每宣費的四倍是一百一十二年推展費的決算數的二點三倍他們當時來說明的時候 其實坦白說剛剛是在主席要求之下 他們才把那個細部的資料給我們
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 針對今年執行的狀態也是剛剛才在會上提供資料給我我馬上算了一下到11月底的時候這個農業特別收入基金的執行率不到25%11月底不到25%他們預計今年的整個執行率大概也只能到45%
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 本席主張這個案的時候呢簡略一億一千萬元以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 剪裂一億一千萬元那整個就不用做啦基本上我想推展費絕對是有必要的這個地方怎麼把農業整個的一個往外拓展
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 是農民非常重要的關鍵。農民的生活、農民可以賣料好嗎?這是非常重要的。所以我認為這部分有任何問題我覺得用凍結我覺得我沒有意見,但是用簡略的那回去就沒辦法交代了。所以我認為說在
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 推展費的部分應該要不清楚要說清楚就是說為什麼會有這樣大家的懷疑那解釋完之後大家未來要怎麼把它做得更好應該從這個方面而不是簡略簡略就不能做啦所以我認為
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 農業部答覆
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 謝謝委員的推詢那基本上這樣的一個推展費用是所有的特收基金包括農發、農債、農損還有林務基金所有基金的推展業務那推轉的項目包括我們要去推展所謂的合理發思維我們有很多
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 有機製材的補助也要做宣導相對的農業的貸款我們也會做定期的宣保、農業的保險甚至於剛才陳委員所關切的這些怎樣讓農產品能夠順利的銷售特別是在國外的行銷的這些推廣的部分農產品的推廣的部分都是在基金費裡面向下去支應的
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 第2個部分就是剛才委員所垂詢的就是說我們去年度的預算率比較低那最主要的原因就是我們有做因為為了那個重要性的部分我們把部分的經費去去調整到特別是在去年養牛的時候那時候的養牛本身因為
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 整個的一個114年以後的那個經費還沒有還沒有開始執行但是養牛產業裡面那時候的養牛本身的寡產牛的一些相關的作為跟談話的時候比較重要所以我們把部分的經費做調整到那邊去處理那今年度的部分明年度的部分我想我們很多必須要去協助農民特別是剛才說有些有機製材的宣導的部分要讓農民知道農民才會來用
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 好,那這個部分也想盡情能夠免於刪除,然後我們用書面報告的方式來處理。好,楊卿
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 謝謝主席楊卿發言部長我覺得委員所提出的你要針對他的提問來做說明我想我們也不要亂扣帽子因為我想經濟委員會以及全院的委員大家對於農民絕對是全力支持不要說真的就什麼都不能做你應該是要針對
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 這個委員所提出比如說他說去年度你們的執行率才兩成多那是不是如屬實我們今天是審預算而不是講故事而不是寫小說
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 大家一定都全力的支持農民但是你針對於委員所提出的你並沒有回答假設說你這個去年度真正你的預算執行只有兩成三成你明年增加的預算是兩倍多三倍多
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 那這個人們也聽不下去啊對不對那到底是怎麼回事你應該就提案委員的提問來做說明嘛我希望再聽到你的說明啊來內容內容之後曾經請
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 追比的推展費1.9億但是我看了一下預算書裡面它其實有牽涉到提升農業經營跟發展計畫包括調整產業跟防範措施的計畫甚至農村再生的規劃還有人力培育的計畫還有農村再生的建設跟發展計畫
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 其實我認為都相當重要啦齁那我認為這些計畫也都應該要持續推展那當然執行力不佳要請部長要再提升但是我希望各位委員能夠支持啦齁這個刪減掉一億多幾乎這些工作大概都會遇到推展生會遇到很大的一個困難啦我希望卓與凍結啦但是不要刪減掉他們讓這些工作都能夠來推動啦齁謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 這件事情說完我們就處理謝謝主席我先稍微補充說明一下因為為什麼會說減劣1億1000萬因為我剛剛才拿到這個數字他們剛剛才匯中才提供給我的數字的時候我也很清楚跟大家講一下因為今年的預算數是2億他們能夠執行就是9000萬所以跟我減劣1億1000萬是剛好滿足的
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 所以我們當時提出簡列1億1千萬其實並不是憑空摸著腦子想出來的其實我們有稍微去評估過他們今天所提出來的113年度的執行數大概就是只有9千萬所以他們的預算數是多編了1.1億這是以上那剛剛部長有特別提到說表示我們這部分特別收入基金裡面還要幫農業貸款、利息補貼差額等等
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 就針對這個部分我也稍微看了一下這個數字針對這個農業發展基金裡面對於農業貸款、利息差和補貼的部分它執行率只有11.38%這個部分今年度的預計執行度只有11.38%執行率其實很差啦所以本期題這個簡略我覺得其實還是非常的合理的以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 請部長說明我想跟委員說明就是我剛才有說到的就是執行率低的確是執行率比較低但是因為本身我們這邊的資料大概是將近四成不是兩成那同樣的就是說執行率低有一個原因剛才有講到就是說
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 我們部分的在農損的部分有一部分的業務費就是業務推廣費的部分因為那時候的養牛產業需要寡產牛淘汰所以我們在那個基金裡面的這個部分的調整把它調整到處理去那個寡產牛的這些處理的方式所以它本身的那個經費本身就有做一些移動
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 所以移動的時候它就不能再用了那第二個部分就是在112年的時候那時候相關有關休閒農業的部分的一些推展的部分因為一開始的時候那個疫情還有一些人流還是比較少的時候那我們希望說在那個地方本身的這些業務的推動它的強度會比較弱所以它的持續率比較低但是我們一定會去檢討後續的這些包括剛才所做的農業貸款的部分我們也會來努力來提升
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 部長你這樣講讓我們會嚇一跳你基金預算審過然後你挪用去什麼牛怎麼處理你這樣講讓人家真的會嚇到會嚇到
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 我一起提問完了齁我覺得這個部分當然我們希望所有的政府的預算都是尊潔的啦齁但是當然也不希望它亂花但是基金的部分當然它編列上去可以用的時候就可以很好的做運用啦那
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 沒有用完的其實還是回到基金內嘛所以我是建議各位委員其實他沒有用完的還是回到基金內但是如果你把他框住了甚至他沒有將來真的需要用的時候他可能遇到很大的一些限制啦那剛剛部長有提了一些就是他剛剛不管是幾個一些緊急狀況上需要做處理的時候
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 我是希望這一塊我們能夠卓予給予他們一些空間因為這個我還是要提醒他是回到基金內用不完一樣回到基金內所以其實刻意去把它給某些我們當然希望他執行率是好但是我也理解他有時候他調整上面希望尊潔使用不需要用的當然就尊潔那我希望這一塊部長在做更多的說明之後我希望還是希望我們能夠支持這樣的一個預算因為用不完他還是會回到
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 呃這個基金內不會浪費掉那但是你不給他編列的話有可能將來需要用的時候他可能就沒辦法動用了呃請問
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 我的意見是一樣啦就是說從兩層到四層現在給的資料大概是四層嘛那因為基金基本上不可能像我們一般預算一樣說我有執行率的壓力所以我一定要即使沒有也要去消耗預算怎麼樣不可能因為基金沒有用就是留著所以我還是認為說如果我們把它砍掉了未來如果真的有需要的話怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 所以我還是認為說應該是要保留或是說我們可以凍結書面報告把你們未來的計畫報出來為什麼你們會編這麼多錢這麼多錢也給於下一次我們在審預算的時候我們可以監督啊你們為什麼編了這麼多錢
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 好,來,那個
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 主席我還是想要請教一下你們這個一億九千多萬的錢其實有包含林業發展基金、農產品受進口損害救助基金對不對還有農村再生的基金嘛是不是這樣就是就包含這些品項在裡面對所有的特殊基金農發、農債、農損、林務還有農債的部分
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 那這個如果農產品受損害受進口損害的救助被砍掉了會產生什麼樣的危機剛剛大家一直在講說紐西蘭的進口這個牛乳進來對台灣的有一些
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 入牛業者、落農業者的損害包括我們現在很在乎的農村再生你的農村再生裡頭其實有很多是跟很多的青年創生返鄉務農是有相關的這些工作那這些錢如果被砍掉請問還能做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 來,農業部要不要說明一下?等一下一起說明齁我是這樣認為啊這個人有旦夕祸福又豈能自保?對不對?那天有不赦風雲又豈能預料?這個天災啊極端氣候產生很多對農漁業的衝擊這個所謂天有不赦風雲這不是大家可以預料的
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 這個是要應急要緊急災害發生的時候來跟他質詢率當然會不能完全掛鉤他不是一般的公務預算所以如果到時候天有不測風雲你要難預料的時候當這筆錢需要的時候沒有基金已經被砍掉了我們怎麼樣去應付這些緊急的狀況請諸委員能夠深思了解來 那下一位
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 徵請徵請之後 呃 楊俊賢我們就就請農業部大部
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transcript.whisperx[218].text OK 我想說因為剛剛其實大家也都特別提到因為這個部分是基金預算的部分所以我在這個部分其實是可以不要用簡列的方式可是我主張凍結1.1億把原本簡列1.1億的部分全部變凍結1.1億到時候需要使用的再過來因為剛剛有委員也特別提到了農產品受進口損害咒術基金的部分今年的執行率預計他們提出來的數字也只有10.10%
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 10.4%10.4%其實也不高那我剛剛特別提到就是農業發展基金他們執行率也大概只有11.4%而已其實都不太高啦所以我在這部分的時候我就直接把它改成全部凍結1.1億以上謝謝養錢之後秋瑩之後我們就處理了養錢你不講
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 謝謝主席楊全宇發言我都很禮貌每次講話都會謝謝主席楊全宇發言我覺得我們立法院經濟委員會我長期在這裡我都很感動我們所有的委員跟行政部門提出也就是點出問題
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 沒有一個立法委員不知道基金的運作方式也沒有人不知道說沒有用完的還是留在基金這個不用講大家都知道那之所以點出這個議題主要就是說大家要怎麼樣好好的去精進
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 農業部主管你在利息方面怎麼會再救?
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 不可能農民沒缺錢嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 那為什麼會如此?
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 那是不是還有更精進的方案?
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transcript.whisperx[226].text 這是大家的好意 不然你頻頻點頭 因為我也認定說大家都是為農民 那因為已經點出了說執行率的部分不管兩層三層四層 總是達不到五層
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 所以在這樣的情況之下當然有很多的特殊狀況會產生隨時應對所以這委員也剛才說了他提出三個目的就是要點出問題結果中間討論他可以來做這個凍結那我個人是這樣認為第一個我希望能夠聽到就你們書面資料
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 他除了宣傳他還有利息他還有臨時的這個方案那所以我是這樣建議就是凍結的部分因為有凍就是讓你們警惕我認為你就凍結2000萬然後呢讓這個你們的經濟方案也要出來真正大家一起來幫助農民這以上是我個人的建議
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 請您一言如醍醐灌頂我剛本來是想說政委員提到說要動議然後要用的時候再來
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 再來跟他報告以後再解凍我覺得我是沒有辦法接受這樣的一個說法但是楊瓊英委員剛剛的提議如果說是凍結2000萬我覺得我認為農業部你們還是有義務要把這一些所需的款項所需的經費都要把它寫清楚我贊成楊瓊英委員的建議我們是不是就凍結2000萬好凍結2000萬提出書面報告使得動之來373839一起避難處理
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 今天整個會上的氣氛蠻好的特別是剛剛我們楊瓊瑩也要委員提到農水署的署長凌晨一點都在接電話幫忙幫忙在農民處理問題我也很感動你看農水署這一塊這個基金就非常順利的過了
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transcript.whisperx[233].text 所以我也期待包括部長跟各位農業部的官員們能夠多照顧我們的農民我這個案子提的是農業部特別這個收入基金附屬單位裡面的農業發展基金良政業務計畫的服務費用我提案先凍結一億元原因為什麼是凍結一億元當初我在提這個案子的時候是在
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transcript.whisperx[234].text 三黨的黨團我們到了行政院跟行政院長做溝通協調那天部長也在現場那天大家說朝野和諧中壹讓打開了總預算卡住的大門了
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 我再重複一次那天是朝野和諧狀況下行政院跟立法院有共識要去解決所有卡住的問題把卡住這個門打開了那天所有的媒體全國民眾也說行政跟立法終於有好消息了
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 那現在我們就在等那個好消息的落實所以是當初的這個背景之下我提了先凍結1萬凍結1億元我們就在等這個好消息的來臨所以我今天清楚的表達如果有好消息就是有所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 有所謂的公糧收購每公斤調高五塊錢這個立法院的主決議有辦法落實那一天行政院跟立法院大家有共識的狀況下提出完整配套方案那這個就可以凍結了那我也預告如果提出來的
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 是食言而肥講話不算話那就不是只有凍結這一議的問題了在第二輪我都預告第二輪就不是凍結一議員的問題了我會用簡略的方式而且會不會是只有一議員我也預告下個禮拜二如果這個方案是大家不滿意的下禮拜二農民就上街頭了我也提醒一下部長一件事情不然你一天還在
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transcript.whisperx[239].text 財政委員會你說我刪減了、減劣了農業發展基金的3.7億雖然跟今天這個比也是有點相關的我沒有我昨天沒有在財政委員會你說沒辦法執行是不是我都沒有講這句話喔OK好那就沒關係我現在提醒兩件事情很重要跟今天這個有關係一樣是農業發展基金我提出減劣了3.7億
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transcript.whisperx[240].text 我請所有在那邊還一直在扭曲事實是會影響到農民潛力的產銷平衡會受到影響的去問一下民進黨的柯建民柯總召柯建民那天說簡略一億就好啦什麼意思現在全民進黨只剩下柯總召董預算法嗎行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[241].text 簡列了3.7億現在兩個很大的重點第一個你們該用的東西該用的特別是照顧農民當然繼續用啊怎麼會有影響呢
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 那天有特別提到必要的時候可以留用啊你把它往上層農業發展基金還那麼多錢啊第二更重要我要提醒一個點不要想要討價薄以為什麼或操資隨便操資去做一做後來要累這個結算並結算不可能操資並結算不可能審計部那天我跟你講審計部已經講了他到現在雞蛋的這個錢
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 根本就不同意你決算啊,所以在打什麼錢趕快用,超市也要併決算,這條路走不通。我也提醒大家一下,今天最熱門的,這兩天最熱門的新聞是什麼?勞動部霸凌案引發的就業安定基金,咱心機不應共啊,有五千多萬不合乎合這個用途,還送到檢調去,也沒辦法決算了啦。
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 所以我今天講的非常清楚今天這筆預算是在和諧的狀況下我提了凍結遺言如果提出來這幾天行政院跟農業部提出來的是讓農民失望的案子那就不是就凍結這個遺言了我用簡略的方式另外我要提醒
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transcript.whisperx[245].text 前幾天我們檢列了那3.7億不要妄想是要去併這個結算的第二我要提醒一下前部長你要趕快去追回來現在北檢已經擴了超支7千多萬啊那邊都有錢嘛對不對你的責任如果照審計部講的你就應該去幫我們把這個錢不只3.7億啊要5點多億啊去把錢追回來如果錢追回來凍結就會消失了
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transcript.whisperx[246].text 好那如果錢不追回來沒有照顧我們的農民不是只有凍結我們到時候會減的預算減的預算也要經過委員會同意
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transcript.whisperx[247].text 要經過立法院同意,不是你個人說要錢就可以撿我是說大家成平而論,所有的程序都要經過委員會
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 我真的要深呼吸一下為了這個公糧的問題我們本來大家都非常的和諧一個原則你們有你們的方法但是民眾聽不懂
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transcript.whisperx[249].text 而且我覺得政府跟人一樣一定要有誠信要嘛你幹你收購工糧你出銷看你幹嗎你也不敢啊那我們說你13年都沒有調他是一個事實但是你們告訴我們說你的ABC123方案但是人民看不到尤其老會交給工糧的很多都是年長的
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transcript.whisperx[250].text 九十幾歲還在競走的 很多人 我是很感動很感佩他們 對不對因為我們台灣來過這個土地 來過我們的生活 來過我們的歷史 這個部長你都要把那個黃金鑽石的匾額去送給他們 對不對今天台灣能夠有這樣子 對不對可是我們不能讓他們 跟他們沒有誠信啊
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transcript.whisperx[251].text 我們的通盆通13年累計要長幾趴那你們告訴我們說我們從旁邊來協助他們問題你有沒有辦法協助他我今天就乖乖的聽你的政府聽你的政府說你種一種你來交給我
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 對不對?阿你13年沒給人家漲這良心也不會再跌過因為你也是最照顧農民的所以我覺得這一個提案呢凍結是應當的
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transcript.whisperx[253].text 至於金額怎麼樣 大家來討論但是就誠如剛剛委員所說的 你們必須要提出方案你提出的方案 原來交給公糧的人 他有辦法落實嗎 這個最重要你不要只有認為說 我50加1我都多數決 不是這樣子的政府有義務照顧需要照顧的人
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transcript.whisperx[254].text 我這樣年輕十多歲開始一直做做做到現在九十幾歲我一輩子沒有改還是在繳公糧那你不要照顧他嗎沒有理由嘛我只講一句話13年公糧沒有調整物價指數調整幾十趴這話也說不過去嘛那你說你的方案當然你可以雙軌可是他做不來啊
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transcript.whisperx[255].text 下一位請鄭天才這個
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transcript.whisperx[256].text 要欠部長因為這個工糧收購13年沒有調整所以是立法院所做的決議不分黨派所做的決議公務員、政務官就是要尊重民意啊立法院所做的決議就是代表人民啊代表人民所做的決議
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 所以你再有怎麼樣好的一個想法還是要尊重民意所以你可以雙拐進行你講的那一套你繼續做那你這邊大家自理自然自然就選擇嘛所以這個部分就尊重民意
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transcript.whisperx[258].text 尊重民意所以我是建議這個一定要凍結而且要做專案報告而不是順便報告以上那個這個發言之後請部長答覆部長答覆之後我們來處理謝謝主席我覺得大家講的都有
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transcript.whisperx[259].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 明年到底要怎麼做這些錢你要花到哪裡去預算在每一個作業基金當中你要去做宣導要怎麼做把這個部分很清楚列出來才可以動之那第二個部分就是說關於公糧的部分就像我每一次都跟部長拜託我說13年沒動了確實農民有期待可是我們也不是漫天寒假
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transcript.whisperx[261].text 農民更期待的是有一個制度制度很重要就是說你讓他知道看得到吃得到啦你今天漫天喊這樣喊完之後可能20年之後還都還在動不對而是你有一個制度讓他知道說我可以依照什麼樣的調整
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 是物價指數還是前年度的整個風災雨災那種天然災害的狀況然後如何去做交替的整合去計算更好的數據讓人民覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 他是有一個制度性幾年要去調整一次要去檢討一次滾動式檢討我決定制度比什麼更重要絕對不是說喊假好13年喊一次是不是我們以後還要在13年後再喊一次這不是人民所期待的所以我們是不是應該更具體的拜託農業部做一個制度然後讓農民知道說我到底
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transcript.whisperx[264].text 就像我們每一次調整好四年一次或是幾年一次這樣子我覺得大家都能接受我覺得這樣是比較好所以這是我之前我所做的建議也希望部長可以朝這個方向聽非一句話我的主席非常感動
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 部長答覆好我想非常謝謝委員針對公糧收購相關的議題的一個建議那我在這邊說我想我們會尊重那次的黨團協商本身月長的一個指示我們會去檢討我們的公糧政策跟相關的配套措施那整個的一個配套措施
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transcript.whisperx[266].text 跟他的政策的一個調整我們初步已經完成但是這裡面因為牽扯到一些經費的問題然後我們會在最短的時間之內跟院長做報告那我在這邊先說明一下其實整個公糧政策的一個調整
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 他不只是一個公糧價格的一個調整而已我們在調整整個公糧政策的時候除了剛才委員講的是希望要有一個制度好的一個檢核的一個制度那更重要的是我們也要兼顧產業的一個軍人的發展所以我們在公糧的政策的這個到座
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 政策的調整裡面大概有幾個重要的原則第一個原則就是我們會適度的反映它的生產成本但是我們也會兼顧我們的產業的一個均衡發展特別是水稻跟雜糧的面積它總是在做一些拉扯的關係所以我們在調整公糧的政策的時候也要考慮到雜糧的這些政策的一個調整那更重要就是說
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 我們也要去注意到其實最近天然災害不斷的發生它所造成的農民的損失其實不亞於我們的生產成本的提高所以我們在新的政策規劃裡面我們也去強調了怎麼樣去面對我們的那個天然極端天後造成的天災的損失能夠有一個對農民有一個更好的一個保障我想這三個原則我想我們會在
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transcript.whisperx[271].text 市長,我們那天協商有兩個很重要的點。第一個,雖然時間壓在年底,可是你不要在壓線的時間點。今天幾號阿捏?所以你說要去跟議員長報告,第一個時間要快一點,好不好?快一點,你不要補我,補我12月30日當時給我拿出來。
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 第一個時間點要快第二個是剛剛你講的這個內容那個是那天我們朝委協商立院跟行政部門是有共識我們是要落實立法院的主決議每公斤調高五塊錢是要落實這個點另外剛剛主席在佩服的這個陳廷輝、陳穩提這個那天我除了這個主決議過之後我有提那個附帶決議台灣民眾黨
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transcript.whisperx[273].text 有請我沒有錯啊就是要用制度化來解決這個問題啊這是人民為什麼這麼生氣農民為什麼這麼生氣因為13年沒有條啊你看看台北市的公車還有我們所有政府的你包括社會福利的一些指標他一定有兩三年他一定有滾動式的調整嘛
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transcript.whisperx[274].text 我也是提了負債結議啊 我們就以後落實不要沒什麼時間來好像 就是我們用公式例如說它的成本 你剛剛講的成本啊 物價指數啊 基本公式啊 我們把它放進去啊那你說兩三年固定該調多少的 你看農民最近這幾年為了這個通貨膨脹都苦
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transcript.whisperx[275].text 休息一分半
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transcript.whisperx[276].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[277].text 六億零一七三萬一千元我們凍結五千萬提出順便報告死的凍值。事實案跟事實案:主席抱歉抱歉那個主席你現在順便報告裡面至少要包括那個工糧收購那一塊要很清楚的這個講清楚那一定會講那一定會講好OK那對人民跟農民要交代
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transcript.whisperx[278].text 提案改為主決議提案改為主決議提案改為主決議提案改為主決議
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transcript.whisperx[279].text 提案改成主決議。繼續處理零雲發展及造林基金46474849必然處理。48的部分本席提案改成主決議。46474849一併處理。
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transcript.whisperx[281].text 這個部分就是說我們在整個森林遊樂區的部分到底我們有什麼樣的一個轉型或是怎麼樣去提升到底我們這個部分我們的
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 我們自己訂的KPI到底訂在哪裡?我跟委員報告一下我們整理了一張這個圖大家可以看一下我們的森林遊樂區這三年的這個入園人數是在增加當中的事實上之所以會有短處是因為阿里山臨鐵的關係因為
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transcript.whisperx[284].text 發言大地震有好幾月時間政府都呼籲民眾不要上山活動所以我們今年可能會受到比較大的影響但是從這上面可以看出來我們其實很努力在經營
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transcript.whisperx[285].text 這個我想齁因為這裡面還是有幾個從112年度的部分還是有幾個它還是沒有達標的部分齁那這幾個到底我們要怎麼去轉型或怎麼去做是不是個別資料給我辦公室那我改組決議是謝謝委員好46案改組決議47案田委員不在召喚通過好49案田委員不在召喚通過好
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transcript.whisperx[286].text 農業天然災害救助基金本期的53案改成主決議
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 同樣,我這個跟前面那個其實那個都差不多就是我改組決議好,54案改成組決議來52案改組決議來處理漁業發展基金54案跟55案停飛你要改組決議嗎好,54案改組決議55案提案委員會再遭略
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transcript.whisperx[288].text 第5農產品受盡頭損害救助基金56案到60案我們一起處理56案到60案我一起處理那本席的60案改成主決議有陳亭飛、蔡玉瑜、邱毅宜、謝英鳳那亭飛你要改主決議嗎
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transcript.whisperx[289].text 主席,我又講五十八案五十八案五十八案改組決議主席主席,那個
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transcript.whisperx[290].text 主席,剛剛那個47案我改組決議47啊?好,47案這個賴樂榮改組決議所以56案跟58案跟60案改成組決議那參與在業務不在的照列61跟62本席62案改成組決議先為我們不在的照列63、64兩位為我們不在的照列
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transcript.whisperx[291].text 農村再生基金66案本席改組決議67到71一併處理70案本席提案改成組決議
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transcript.whisperx[292].text 改正主決議好 全體委員69案改正主決議區議員提案委員不在均照列來 主決議72案
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transcript.whisperx[293].text 軍照辦理 照案通過73案 軍照辦理 照案通過74案 軍照辦理 照案通過75案 軍照辦理 照案通過76案 軍照辦理 照案通過77案 軍照辦理 照案通過78案 軍照辦理 照案通過79案 軍照辦理 照案通過80案 軍照辦理 照案通過81案 軍照辦理 照案通過80案 軍照辦理 照案通過83案 軍照辦理
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 遭案通過八十四案遭案通過新增八十四之三那個農業部意見遭案通過另外這個農民退休基金提案這個八十五案遭案通過八十六案遭案通過八十七案遭案通過八十八案遭案通過八十九案遭案通過
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transcript.whisperx[295].text 等一下我還是請教一下本席提案是89案就是我們在講那個農民保險參與的人數其實還是沒有到三成雖然你們說遵照辦理我其實很想聽一下你們有沒有什麼精進計畫是可以來鼓勵更多的農民參與農民退休
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 報告委員我們這一部分已經針對目標族群現在清尤其是青農有農保資格的這樣的一個農民我們都把名單還沒有加入農保的清出來會逐一透過農會宣導鼓勵他們來加入那他們如果說對於說可能收入不穩定的部分我們會鼓勵他是不是先從額度
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transcript.whisperx[297].text 從一趴兩趴先來加後面陸續鼓勵他們來增加後續有相關的輔導措施那我們召喚通過來這個請宣讀啊請宣讀協商結論來來不是
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transcript.whisperx[298].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[299].text 先讓部長看一下
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 今天有零事所嗎?沒有齁?我提一個建議啦就是說一個是我上次有跟您提到那個零下經濟的品項是不是有要再研議再多增加這個部分那什麼時候會有一個初步的構思出來比如說我一直在推動的那個咖啡的種植它是不是也能夠符合我們零下經濟的品項
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 李慧琼議員
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 未來在種植或者是各單位在種植這些行道樹的品項上面是有所依歸的能不能去做這一些規劃整理好 這部分其實我們都已經有了然後我們會提供資料給委員那林市所另外還有一個叫做種樹諮詢中心那即使是私人部門都可以打電話來洽詢然後他們也會協助做必要的這個幫忙規劃
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 你那個種樹諮詢中心講的是比如說我們現在在講那個碳費的部分或者是說各縣因為各縣市政府他們很少應該很少會去打電話問你們可以種什麼樹啦但是通常都是大家自己決定所以呢過去比如說種了很多黑板樹
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 所以那黑板樹其實是一個不是太好的樹種對所以那有沒有辦法去協助把這些行道樹去做一些汰換啦等等至少你給各縣市政府有一個有一個依歸嘛我們現在一北中南東都有對我覺得這個部分可能是理解水
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transcript.whisperx[307].text 也蠻重要的一個議題一句話,因為剛剛主席上廁所跟著上廁所回來就預算又過了但是我還是要講一下這個47這個執行力的部分還是希望能夠持續提升好不好就是47案的部分我覺得蘇財跟部長還是要持續努力我覺得現在那樣的生活方式包括我們的一些山區的其實很有潛力的那我認為這塊應該還是要持續的加油好不好,預算我們有意見上廁所趕得回來你覺得趕不回來
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transcript.whisperx[308].text 那個新增84支市新增84支市農業部預券新增84支市84支市在哪邊是陳廷輝委員的那個那個我們修正文字修正後我們做文字修正建議那個文字修正怎麼修正你唸一下唸一下
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transcript.whisperx[310].text 好 這個請宣讀協商簽約
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[312].text 基本上我們這邊寫固定時間齁因為整個現在從我們這次的到做的一個政策的一個分析的檢討不是啦部長你聽錯我的意思我是說你要訂定這個固定時間你這個制度你要多久可以給人家啦延益啦
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transcript.whisperx[313].text 中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案
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transcript.whisperx[314].text 本席對各位的發言都很容易感動
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transcript.whisperx[315].text 現在是宣讀協商結論
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transcript.whisperx[316].text 先讀協商結論第一案預算照列第二三案凍結20萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第四案預算照列第五六案預算照列本二案改為主決議第七案凍結50萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第八案凍結500萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第九案凍結200萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 主決議部分第10案到22案及22-1案均照案通過第23案預算照列第24案凍結200萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第25案凍結1000萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第26案
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transcript.whisperx[318].text 動輒一百萬元提出書面報告後使得動之。 主決議部分第27案、28案照案通過。 第29案修正通過。 第30案到35案均照案通過。 第36案動輒兩千萬元提出書面報告後使得動之。 第37至39案動輒五千萬元提出書面報告後使得動之。 第40案、41案預算照列其中41案改為主決議。
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transcript.whisperx[319].text 第41案均改為主決議第42案預算照列本案改為主決議第43案預算照列第44案撤案第45案預算照列本案改為主決議第46案到49案預算照列其中46案47案48案均改為主決議第50案預算照列
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 第51案徹案、第52案、53案預算照列本2案均改為主決議第54案、55案預算照列其中54案改為主決議第56案到60案預算照列其中56案、58案、60案均改為主決議
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 第61案、62案預算照列其中第62案改為主決議第63案、64案預算照列第65案、66案預算照列其中66案改為主決議第67案到71案預算照列其中69案、70案均改為主決議主決議部分
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transcript.whisperx[322].text 七十二案到八十四案及八十四之一案、八十四之二案、八十四之三案均照案通過八十四之四案修正通過農退基金主決議五案四案、八十五案到八十九案均照案通過宣讀完畢好請問各位同仁有委員提案的部分照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分均照列請問有異議
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transcript.whisperx[323].text 無異議通過114年度農業部所屬非營業基金審查完略等一下齁還沒休息之前這個請張啟凱發表一下演說保定你不是演說保定你寫就好了剛我辦公室傳了那個新聞過來他說在立法院財政委員會16號審查的時候你曾經針對農業發展基金被我砍了
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transcript.whisperx[324].text 3.7億你說農業部長陳俊濟說會使得今年協助農民的部分無法執行你剛又說沒有我提醒你先去問一下柯建民、柯總召那一天的討論過程是這樣子朝野協商過程是這樣子我很清楚跟你講我堅持要刪減這3.7億吳思堯跑來說吳思堯說可以砍
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transcript.whisperx[325].text 農業發展基金本來就有錢啊你先執行
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transcript.whisperx[326].text 你產銷這一塊已經做了已經60幾趴對不對柯總召來跟我協調的時候第一個他說可以砍一億嘛他說可以砍一億沒有聽我講完他說可以砍一億更重要的往上一層走就不會影響到你所有的產銷平衡嘛所以你去問清楚第一個不要再講什麼會影響到幫助農民這一塊第一個這是不會受影響的第二更重要的北檢這邊都已經扣押七千多萬啊你現在責任應該是自己把錢追回來就跟就位安定基金現在審計部要求
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transcript.whisperx[327].text 農民退休基金
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transcript.whisperx[328].text 我現在想起來那不是在財政委員跟委員講的是進到財政委員會之前的一些記者在問那問了有兩個重點一個重點就是說這個經費刪了以後對農民後面會不會有影響我說會我有說會但是相對的就這個部分委員剛才講的就是說我這個基金有沒有可以再上層但是在你的議案裡面並沒有說可以做科目的調整
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transcript.whisperx[329].text 當你沒有辦法做科目的調整的話就會比較困難啊我老實講然後第二點就是外界誤認為你刪的是114年的所以我特別去澄清齁我說委員所刪的是113年的那針對114年的部分我們會盡可能的跟委員去做一些說明瞭解他的重要性我就這樣說明好
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transcript.whisperx[330].text 113年這個算是有很明確不是114嘛不是明年那第二個就剛講了對農民算是不會有影響因為那一天老講朝野協商大話來會同意你們可以用上一層的錢來說好不好必須要可以超支併結算才可以處理不然審計部就不同意結算了你怎麼併結算不行啦不可能啦你現在重點是把錢去追回來啦你把錢追回來我就會同意你用上一層的錢不要影響到農民
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transcript.whisperx[331].text 本次會議通過此決議,文字授權主席及議事委員整理。 今日所立一審處委員會,先休息。
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transcript.whisperx[332].text 二號二號二號
IVOD_ID 16380
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16380
日期 2024-12-18
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-2-19-20
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 20
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 19
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議
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開始時間 2024-12-18T08:31:03+08:00
結束時間 2024-12-18T11:16:00+08:00
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