| IVOD_ID |
163793 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163793 |
| 日期 |
2025-09-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-09-30T15:21:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-09-30T15:51:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9a1e91e0be0fc05c5ab26166a48cbdd1e7e5c8dcf359e5ef2e786596d8e089c56df76adf96966f6f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:21:28 - 15:51:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-09-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第2次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，針對第11屆第3會期第26次會議報告事項第22案台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「刑事訴訟法第九十三條及第一百零一條條文修正草案」院會所作之決定提出復議。是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、同意權之行使事項：總統咨，為審計部審計長陳瑞敏任期於114年10月1日屆滿，茲依據憲法第一百零四條規定，提名陳瑞敏續任審計部審計長，咨請同意案。三、行政院院長施政報告並備質詢（9月30日下午）。） |
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主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢委員好院長好今天 |
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站在這個質詢台上我的心情是很沉重的因為我是花蓮出生的小孩也是花蓮子弟所以當看到光復鄉艷澀湖潰堤所造成的人員的傷亡實際上我自己感到很難過所以在第一時間我自己宣布捐款50萬元同時中國國民黨立法院黨團也宣布捐款50萬元 |
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那麼除了說表達一點心意之外另外我們中國國民黨立法院黨團也特別準備要提出華家沙颱風以及花蓮光復香煙色湖潰堤的災害重建條例 |
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那這是我們在花蓮最困難的時候希望能夠用我們的職責用我們的力量來幫助花蓮能夠走出傷痛重建家園所以這一刻我們都是花蓮人都是光復人院長你認同嗎是 |
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謝謝您的認同但是我要很遺憾的說恐怕不是所有民進黨的人都是這麼想的時時應該不分政黨 不分黨派一同來為花蓮的搶災跟復原來努力才可以我問一句話 你看是誰講的建議透過媒體第三方釋出澄清且具殺傷力消息以立友軍民進黨立委和政務人員接著反擊請問這句話是誰說的 |
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說的在有不同的前提底下或許講出這樣的方式在當時來看他是一個應對的方式殺傷在野黨是應對的方式我說有一個某種前提底下某種前提什麼前提啊為了自我的防衛在野黨當人還是不把我們花蓮鄉親當人前提是什麼告訴我什麼樣前提讓這句話變成是你覺得是可以講的剛剛講過的社會不信任造成的誤解你知道院長你知道發這個訊息的時候就是王定宇 |
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沒錯吧 你知道吧不是 我說有一個前提存在那個前提就是我剛剛在那裡所說的我告訴你前提是什麼 院長 好不好社會誤解造成的扭曲 造成大家必須要澄清我告訴你前提是什麼前提是我們花蓮霞青埋在泥流堆裡面啊家破人亡啊所以羅委員 我說此時應該不分你知道他發這個訊息的時候請問有多少人埋在泥流裡面 多少人訊息的同時我們也是在現場救災還有什麼前提可論 |
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院長我告訴你不需要為這種人背書啦真的當花蓮香氣埋在淋流裡面的時候結果王定宇要行政團隊校法科學先生Mr.科學先生製作攻擊圖卡他要take行政院的秘書長張敦涵副秘書長阮昭雄他在發這個訊息的時候 |
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是我們的鄉親會埋在泥流堆裡面家破人亡的那個時候我直接送給王定宇四個字沒有人性截圖曝光之後王定宇嗆一堆叛徒然後退出群組我要告訴王定宇你才是台灣人民的叛徒你是今天花蓮鄉親的叛徒你對不起今天在花蓮受災受苦的花蓮的鄉親 |
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只有王定宇這樣嗎不是耶 跟院長報告一下林淑芬等立委 民進黨立委跟著討論 很熱烈啊林淑芬tag張敦涵說公文死亡人民分佈圖很重要他還回應王定宇說你這樣寫的文周周耶可以直接一點耶王定宇說到這種程度還叫文周周請問什麼叫做血淋淋啊 |
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林淑芬等一眾民進黨的立委跟著王定宇在我們花蓮鄉親最痛的時候大吃人血饅頭這是讓我覺得看不下去的事情我作為花蓮子弟我沒辦法接受的事情我接下來問一下院長請問到目前為止光復鄉災情狀況傷亡人數失聯人數多少死亡的人數到達18人失聯現在應該是6位吧6位 |
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18個人命結果是民進黨口中的鬥爭的工具18個人命在災害發生的時候請問那個群組最該討論不是救災嗎不是救災救災救災救命救命救命但是討論是怎麼殺傷在野黨絕大部分的內容都是在討論如何協助如何救災我要跟院長說我跟你講院長 |
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我今天沒有怪你啊 因為你沒站在院前處你講話嘛你不需要為這種沒有人性的話來去背書啦光富鄉災害發生第一時間 我不只是捐款我馬上打電話給傅坤祺 打電話給高金淑那選區也在原鄉 也是受害的原鄉在商量怎麼在全台調動機具 |
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要動物資就像你剛剛講的產值超人大家齊心齊力腦袋想就是說我怎麼樣去幫助災民我真的沒有辦法想像怎麼會有一秒鐘騰出時間來在裡面去發訊息跟大家討論怎麼去殺傷釋放殺傷力的訊息我想到一件事情我也來問問我們的院長2009年88風災的時候 |
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當時行政院秘書長薛江川他是加班投入救災但是因為他抽空陪他95歲的老岳父吃了一頓晚餐你知道發生什麼事情嗎因此被媒體討論後來辭官了對啊其中對他攻擊最用力的就是蔡英文總統他說什麼蔡英文說氣到想砸電視 |
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說哪英九別想全身而退至少要斷一隻手臂來 我要問院長你看到王定宇這些立委表現你有沒有氣到想砸電視啊想到什麼你有沒有氣到想砸電視啊我請問把電視送到災區去對 很好電視送到災區去 |
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你有沒有想要讓賴清德斷一隻手臂啊你把手袋收到災區去我們都會努力在救災我要講什麼在討論的同時整個內容討論的同時我想絕大部分都是在討論救災啦我告訴你啊我要講的重點是什麼當初88風災的時候蔡英文是怎麼看這行政團隊吃一頓晚餐跟老岳父吃一頓晚餐就可以氣到要砸一件事想要斷一條手想要斷馬英九一條手臂 |
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結果今天民進黨的立委在群組裡面大吃人血饅頭看你好像也覺得有前提就好啊 |
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所以我們的社會如果少一點這樣的扭曲謝謝 勸勸民進黨的立委少一種這種政治鬥爭的思維共同努力 對 我認同你這句話 |
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但是今天我就要幫我們花蓮鄉親說出心中的我真的是憤怒跟難過我們用更多的救災實際的行動來給鄉親們更多的安全保障院長下一個問題你的秘書長張敦涵在民進黨群組裡面也有接收這個訊息你的副秘書長阮昭雄還是回應收到了我想請問 |
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張秘書長 阮副秘書長有跟你回報這件事情嗎我並不知道他收到是收到哪一則訊息他直接回那個殺傷力的訊息說收到啦就像委員所在這幾天當中我們真的無心再討論這件事情你今天沒有心思去搞這些鬥爭我今天感謝你啦 |
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但是你們的民進黨的立法院就非常有心思啦我來問你吼 有沒有跟你回報嘛當然沒有嘛 那想請問他如果跟你回報你會認同嗎我會問到你收到什麼訊息 我們要做什麼回覆要搞清楚我才能做下一個判斷下一個要問您吼 請問院長你目前去花蓮災區幾次了 |
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從事件發生到到今天兩次兩次謝謝院長對花蓮的支持應該的這是我們該做的事我相信院長到花蓮也看過很多災民親自互動對不對你也會跟他們來鼓勵他們來撫慰一下災民的現在的一個情緒對不對我在很多人的身上學習到更多我想請問院長你看到災區的孩童會說他們 |
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你呕呕嗎臉黑黑嗎會不會這樣講所以你也覺得你也會這樣講院長你看到災區婦女你會說他們的丈夫身體都不好嗎你會這樣講嗎你看你都認住了因為你也講不出來了院長你看到救災人員給他Give me five嗎擊掌Give me five嗎 |
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我們都握住他那雙泥泞的雙手覺得非常的感動對啊 我們一般是握住雙手非常感動的感謝他有會 你嗨到去KIMIFI嗎 會嗎有的當地的那個志工或是我們院長這些事情都沒有做啦你也知道 我知道你為什麼那麼緊張啦他都會說我手很髒 不要不要都會這樣講我告訴你 |
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我們做政治人物跟選民在互動哪有怕選民手髒的這基本嘛不是我說對那個志工說我手很髒即便是如此我們都還是會主動握手嘛這本來就基本的嘛那我還要說我剛剛講這三件事你都不會做啊但是你為什麼那麼緊張因為都不是你做的啊都是在新的總統做的啊我要先跟你講啊我們的親朋好友罹難房子被泥沙沖滅 |
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身家財產一夕泡湯我們一般人是不會說這些話也不會擠這些掌的對災民來說你不覺得這樣做法很白目嗎 |
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外面對這個評論我想你也看到了我說過在一整天的救災的過程當中都拿出一句話來做一些不必要的聯想我想這個大可不必我告訴院長今天總統洞見觀瞻我倒是沒看到你出這些新聞你都做得到我們總統做不到總統做的比我們都多 |
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總統的白目的話說的比你多啦我跟你講 總統到底是人血還是白目不要我來判斷 台灣人民去判斷啦我們不要在這個時候做這樣的一個批評 我拜託可是我告訴你啊不對不對 院長不對今天這不是批評我是為總統好 我是為賴總統好今天他講這些不合時宜的話 不得體的話已經不是第一次了嘛你們也痛苦 我知道啦 |
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南台灣風災 災民屋頂被吹走我們總統說叫災民自己爬 自己爬啦災民手機沒訊號 他可以嗆災民說郭國仁有啊歷歷在目啊歷歷在目啊那我要問啊 這樣總統你叫我不要叫他白目好啦 我不是那位白目嘛那我就叫他進會地可以吧何不實弄民不就在他身上具體產線嗎 |
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如果委員有參與到我們共同討論災區的事情的時候你大概一定不會用我跟院長報告說過我不是沒有在政府工作過災救災的場合我也看過很多這幾天如果你瞭解我們之間的討論你相信我是善意的我告訴你真的這些話在災民的耳中 |
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但你們現在的官員我沒看會講出這麼你不喜歡聽白目嗎這麼敬惠帝的話本黨團我們討論決定要提出華家衰風災及花蓮光復煙澀湖潰絕災後重建條例 |
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那希望能夠在考量花蓮縣政府地方的需求提出最完整的機制最完整的方式來提出特別條例早日完成災後重建讓災民重回正常生活你支持嗎報告委員為了早日完成災後的重建以及現在馬上能夠投入救災我們在 |
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丹納斯颱風跟728暴雨後的復原重建條例當中我們已經把花蓮當作災區化定為災區而且這個顏色湖也是在丹納斯豪雨之後所形成的所以它適用絕對沒有問題所以這個條例這個特別預算直接可以引用這是最快最有效率的院長你講的這些我都看到你發言的回答就是這樣 |
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我跟你講你們不講就還好啦一講齁就是提醒大家你知道把花蓮煙色湖工程納入丹納斯重建特別條例就是國民黨黨團在八月朝野協商時候所提出啊 |
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當時決議行政院督導公共工程委員會農業部經濟部花蓮縣政府掩體減災監測疏散跟工程方案其中減災的措施我想你知道吧包括建立預警系統加強監測評估天然霸體穩定性預測匱霸影響範圍點點點 |
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我也謝謝委員能夠注意到這一點不過這個條例的本身的名稱就叫做丹納斯颱風及728豪雨後重建復原沒關係我們一點一點來談我告訴你今天在這件事情上我是就跟你我們大家理性來討論怎麼做比較好行政院我剛剛前面講這個監測啊檢測啊有沒有確實落實我們從7月26號就加強了所有的檢測 |
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我告訴院長但是你們做的來結論竟然是陳俊濟部長說經評估沒有立即潰堤的風險我要跟院長說我要跟院長說 |
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坦白講我問這些話都不是來究責的啦究責是之後慢慢做可是今天我非常關切的就是災害重建條例 |
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你說丹納斯颱風的特別條例就能夠cover了嘛對不對是請問總經費多少現在600億如果將來有真的實際上是不足夠的時候我們還可以透過追加預算的方式來補這個特別的預算非常好來我想請問你當時納入菸澀火處置的相關經費那時候是沒有發生災情的前提之下編的這600億我們有預備金 |
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那所在沒有災情情況之下編這600億吧 沒錯吧 對不對那現在請問你喔 那目前你覺得重建經費需要多少這個還要再詳細的評估 不能夠 已經8天了餒23號到現在8天了餒因為很多的房屋 需要多少時間可以評估出來還有很多的農損 現在還沒有完全的能夠查報上不是 院長那你告訴我你需要多少時間可以評估出來 |
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多少時間我想我們現在在中秋節之前先讓大家回顧基本的生活你到現在也沒辦法回答這個問題中秋節之後一個月我們會把它做一個總整理一個月啊你知道八八風災重建條例災害發生多久多久就已經制定了我們這已經有經費可以用了我問你事實問題啦多久制定八八風災重建條例在災害發生後 |
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那我們現在已經有預算可以用了不是現在沒有我在這邊請求你把精確需要預算多少你估出來你也沒做到啊你連日期都不告訴我啊甚至我跟你講你連當事台風的特別條例最先提的還是國民黨黨團我們提了以後民進黨黨團才在我們的協商所院長主持的協商當場表示你們贊同那個東西晚一個月你知道嗎我們沒提我也不知道你們到底要不要提啊 |
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所以我回頭講就是說今天如果你真的反對要另外做重建條例你起碼告訴我今天你要多少的預算面對如此重大的天災第二個我也跟院長說兩個颱風的性質不相同他面對到所需要的重建的所謂的範圍跟重建的所謂的內容的項目也不相同 |
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所以也不要那麼快就立刻打掉說今天不用一個專門性專案性的特別條例我原諒您誤會了我的意思是說我們現在用這種方式是最快的我跟你講雙軌可以並進嘛你如果說丹納斯來 院長你聽我講我今天真的是理性跟你討論這個事情我心中完全是個花蕾如果你方案好也很好丹納斯颱風特別條例有編600億預算這600億預算是在沒有顏色匯題一流的時候 |
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編的預算他絕對是不夠的嘛因為沒有設想今天的狀況你怎麼跟我講預想是夠的呢這基本前提應該沒錯吧他一定會有一些超出當初的想法對啊一定超出來嘛那就來了那你就可以看到這兩個災害的屬性就不相同那是其實最主要是風災跟降雨嘛但是今天我們花蓮光復鄉最最重要的一個災情的源頭就是煙澀湖的潰堤嘛 |
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我不是完全反對委員所提的方式我說現在這個時間點我們全力把它恢復基本生活正常我們可以朝這個方向來講什麼方式最快讓災民最快得到照顧我們王中央來講我跟你講這一點我沒有反駁你為什麼你知道嗎可以齊頭並進嘛假如你跟我講600億裡面你還有20億的餘裕 |
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他說我們原來的規模大概580億就做得到還剩下20億我可以用來先來做今天花蓮這個部分我OK 我覺得非常好 |
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但是絕對不夠你一定相信嘛絕對不夠的時候你要跟我講追加預算也是一條路啊不否認啊但是為什麼你今天不針對這個災害而且我跟你講它是有一個指標意義的為什麼你知道嗎為什麼今天國民黨立法院要提這個重建條例因為這個從這一個災害有一個特殊性跟過去災害不一樣就是顏色潰體 |
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這個煙色湖潰堤你今天有一個重建條例我們好好在重建條例裡面去檢視今天怎麼面對煙色湖這個危機它是其實是有向未來警示的重要意義它跟一般的颱風的災害重建條例它是不相同的 |
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我這一點建設性的建議我希望至少院長你不要馬上去否定嘛我沒有否定我說你可以帶回去研究吧我最新想的是說我們用什麼最快的方式讓災民避難道理嗎那對於煙澀湖災害造成這樣大的一個情況我告訴你我真的是拜託你啦 |
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不要拘泥在這一件事情上主委要不要談一下菸社會的事情因為他們已經做過很多的研究目前是在搶災搶險啦所以居民的維生系統包括家裡的水電馬桶這個都沒有而且是高達兩三千戶所以目前緊急的在做這個那我就問嘛請教還是問院長的問題剛剛院長沒答出來請問大概這個重建要花多少錢 |
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現在在搶災搶險所以重建的部分上沒有辦法你看嘛我跟你講院長我真的這樣講今天如果你願意採取我剛講的方式這兩個方式不衝突嘛但是你不要一開始先預定了讓大家覺得好像今天 |
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我們現在所有人關心的花蓮在你的心目當中好像沒藥沒勁 我的感覺是這樣我以為你這樣是絕對的誤會但我知道你覺得你不是這樣可是你今天回答我的過程我就覺得你把自己畫的圈圈這麼狹隘這麼限縮馬上可以做的事情就先做了院長我拜託跟你拜託最後一次你不做也沒關係我們到立法院我們到院長協商的時候我們來慢慢討論要馬上就說不要啦 |
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就說過煙色湖的災情跟一般風災災情就是不相同你那600億規模就是沒有涵蓋這個這個所謂的災害的規模那有一個專門性的重建條例真的沒有什麼沒有今天議課一定跟我講說不行就是不行沒有這回事最後我想再請教我們那個院長你知道這一次我們看到這一次花蓮的這個災害 |
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當然還是非常感謝八八中央地方都有出動可是現在很多東西你看到中央地方之間有非常多的矛盾你知道八八風災的時候當時內政部長廖瑤宇直接衝到災區就坐鎮兩個禮拜你知道吧你知道我們的劉兆璇院長也直接進駐八軍團裡面進駐在那邊督導救災 |
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我沒有要你做到那個程度我這邊直接問你一件事我也幫花蓮請命你去兩次很辛苦啦也謝謝你啦應該的我想請問中央官員 |
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不管是院長 副院長 部長還是次長你有什麼層級願意常駐花蓮去做統合協調的工作那就是很複雜的我剛說過賴建信次長已經從開始到現在還有我們環境部的省次長還有原民會的股仲副主委還有國軍國防部的艾少將今天我又請紀政委 |
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紀念城政委去 又請李某郵顧問去希望賴建信市長能回來再說明現在的狀況非常好 我跟院長建議啦讓中央地方可以通暢你要有一個常駐性的主責官員在那個地方真的 |
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這按照88風釵我們過去的經驗啦現在真的 我今天在這裡不想去講說是哪邊有責任的問題這責任 我說的究責後面時間多的是究責不是為了今天是要打擊哪一個殺傷哪一個政黨 不是喔究責是為了要為未來去預防再次發生去檢驗環節 沒錯吧 對不對 |
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所以今天但今天是萬事末如救災集我沒有打算在這個地方跟你談救責問題但是我只是真中心的勸告按照過去我們遇到災害的做法為花蓮人請命你要有一個專責的常設性的官員 |
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至少次長級以上要常住在那個地方幫忙解決所有災害重建協調跟委員討論就是過去我們歷次這種重大災害讓我們的災防法一直的精進我們現在一定先強化中央應變中心那到地方災害發生一開始我們就設前進協調所跟地方政府一起合作現在是災防法這樣的設計如果這個設計不當我們可以檢討那目前災防法就是依照過去的經驗一直精進演練到現在 |
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我今天拜託你拍個專責官員下去你都搬一堆法律出來那我直接告訴你院長我告訴你啦 |
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我就是有參與救災經驗的人賴市長已經在那邊一個禮拜了我就舉個例子就像你今天跟我講這些東西我沒辦法聽下去你要原諒我沒辦法就像賴新德總統一直在強調國軍不能進到人家家裡面去就是一個莫名其妙的說法我們國民黨執政就不是這個樣子救災勢同作戰協調所之後賴市長也在那邊股仲副主委也在那邊你們很多東西我都覺得我也搞不太懂 |
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你現在在萬事末路救災急救你搬一堆礦房條這礦房條存不存在都是個問號來我想請教院長明年度國防預算我們在慶德總統說要增加到3.32%嘛對不對2030年要增加GDP的5%嘛對不對這是我們的目標我們朝著目標前進這是國家安全的需要我們代總統也說要提升國軍生活待遇照顧國軍嘛對不對 |
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我想請教你我們現在明年度國防預算編列總額高達9495億比今年要增加1768億 史上最高可是我不太懂保家衛國的軍人現在戰爭風險這麼高我們立法院已經通過軍人待遇提升的那個預算條例結果你們預算一毛不編為什麼 |
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已經跟外界說明過 再跟委員說明一次你不用說明 我知道 你說要釋憲啦你要釋憲嘛有290幾億來來來 我跟你講下一句話警察原人事條例也是保障我們提高退休警銷的待遇跟它的一個保障你們行政院也是不編預算 |
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就是預算編列是行政院在編列那這個的形成程序但是我要跟國務院報告我們對義務役的志願役戰鬥部隊你要跟我講說你過去有加薪哪個政府對我們的軍方叫沒有加薪我們只是不需要這種齊頭式的而且一次這麼大幅度的這對其他公務人員來講會形成一種不公平的狀態我跟院長講你這段話只會讓我們的軍人寒心讓警校寒心啦不是啦 |
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我今天話要說的重的原因是什麼我們國民黨一路捍衛軍人的尊嚴捍衛警消的尊嚴 這尊嚴包括合理的待遇今天兩岸兵兇戰危你難道為保家衛國國軍增加待遇有這麼難嗎你國防預算都要增加9400億我們今年編了59億 將近60億的預算在今年的預算裡面啊你告訴我 你告訴我 |
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按照我們的軍人待遇條例跟警察人員人事條例所要編列的預算有沒有編我們就認為應該等到大法官就事先復讐決定之後如果違憲我們就不編如果合憲我們就編而且可以追溯編院長你這個話只能去騙不懂法律的人 |
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大法官釋憲 請問作出緊急處分了沒有有沒有作出緊急處分 目前為止 |
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今天如果大法官認為這個是違憲的違憲之餘你要凍結法律下要有緊急處分沒有緊急處分的情況之下法律就是有效真正的大法官釋憲的流程應該是你今天我們法律生效你要執行你大法官做緊急處分凍結他就可以不執行沒有凍結繼續執行釋憲出來違憲之後不執行 |
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你能不能努力讓大法官開的成會我告訴你憲法訴訟法今天大法官成為什麼樣那是另外一個憲政問題我跟你講是現在憲法的基本邏輯道理可是我要跟你講今天在這裡我非常遺憾我遺憾的是什麼過去一路來羅志祥就挺軍人挺警消 |
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停我們的公教因為我們也準備推出停侃不合理的年金的這個政策院長你支持嗎政府跟怎麼樣跟國軍是並肩站在一起我要告訴院長因為時間也不多我做個很快的結論台灣今天有這個奇蹟十大建設建設台積電然後到今天我們有這樣的榮光 |
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軍公教是最大的一個資助啦你不否認吧不否認對啊但是你民進黨上來之後你去想想看對軍人今天預算那個條例通過你不編預算對錦霄條例通過你不編預算對於公教我剛剛講你剛剛說不編預算你都有點釋憲嘛對於公教對於公教你今天我們要求只是停砍 |
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年金不是回到2017年的這個年金之前你也一樣不願意給軍公教最起碼的保障跟尊嚴我在這邊要跟院長直接說今天我們立法院確實有在討論今天怎麼面對總預算我們現在希望院長來召開我們朝野協商 |
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我希望今天行政院能夠在協商的時候能夠正面回憶依法行政這四個字如果做不到 羅志強這邊直接說下個禮拜二我就提復議了大家不需要到這種程度嗎今天我們為了什麼就是為了捍衛軍人公教跟警校的尊嚴拜託你們把它們放在心上 謝謝我們一樣護衛軍人警校的尊嚴跟他的基本福利我們也逐年在做提高 |
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好 |