| IVOD_ID |
163779 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163779 |
| 日期 |
2025-09-19 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-09-19T11:35:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-09-19T11:46:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8e361f1746a1395886498784a3735d7bf1ae621572fec62015037a6925ac6f524c7f6e4539bc04505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:59 - 11:46:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-09-19T10:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第1次全院委員會「行使審計部審計長同意權案」公聽會（事由：第11屆第4會期第1次全院委員會「行使審計部審計長同意權案」公聽會） |
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黃珊珊委員請準備謝謝主席韓院長那麼一起各位先進那我們今天是對於這個陳審計長他的一個續任我們要不要跟他同意那這段時間這個我聽到一些聲音啦本黨黨團的委員 |
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大概都持比較正面的態度看這個事情主要的原因就是因為我們在每一次請他來特別是財委會質詢的時候他基本上大概立委有要求的他都會照實的回答而且提供很多的資料 |
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這個是他正面的這一部分那現在呢我剛看到前面幾個專家學者談到的也就是我心裡的一個看法就是我們的沈記長其實我常常認為沈記長是手拿大刀啊要砍啊這個大刀砍了好不好啊就看沈記長的表現那過去呢這可以比較林慶榮跟現在的陳瑞銘比如說以在人員政策這一部分 |
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林慶榮就講了怎麼樣他語氣很平淡可是態度很堅決他敢一針見血的說你這個行政部門什麼問題比如說他就這樣講他說人員轉型矛盾這個話就講得一針見血2018例如2018年天然氣接收站跟再生能源進度的問題 |
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他個人定調可是用詞潛質堅定有力看我們陳瑞民省紀長現任的省紀長他的用詞是什麼他公開答詢的時候語調溫和強調查核發現在講話所以很明顯的看這兩個省紀長調調個性不一樣 |
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就原來的林青龍是什麼問題我單刀直入竊進去你有這個問題我們的陳審計長呢就揭露有人說他什麼他你看表面上他都回答要查這個要查那個但是實質上呢到最後這個輕輕放下 |
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我的感覺是這樣子就整體的這樣子這幾年來就是他高高的舉起是我們立委要求他舉起所以第一個我要批評他的是他的主動性是不夠的比如說我們最近剛才中文提到的這個地方財政數字化文化的問題這個財化法各位財化法修了快20年有人講有人批評 |
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有人批評說這個萬年總招我們叫萬年才化法修了20年修不過好不容易在去年上一屆的時候把它修過了修過了後來現在行政院抓了一個尾巴說這個離島的部分你沒有處理好 |
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這個就修16條之一按照我們跟韓院長這樣配合的默契還記得把特別預算我都記得很清楚啊禮拜四早上巡打75個人登記到每一個委員的提案200多個提案我處理完我是召委處理完我就交給我們的韓院長連夜的協商到半夜清晨一點多我非常佩服韓院長的這個體力跟毅力 |
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第二天刪讀了我們速度可以這麼快所以這個小吃16之1要修的話我認為一個禮拜就可以搞定按照馬上就給他進負荷毒查尾協商一下子就可以進去了但是行政院不是這樣子抓住這個 哇無限的放大說這個採化法有問題喔要重新來喔那我請問啊請問啊那行政院有沒有版本 |
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到現在為止行政院完全沒有版本行政院在混行政院在混才畫法因為剛才有委員提出來我就特別來講一下 |
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那大家都知道大家不要見數不見零啊中央政府給地方政府的三個錢第一個錢 統籌分配稅款第二個錢 一般補助款第三個錢 計畫型補助款以台北市為例他們都說喔 台北市拿最多拿450億啊統籌分配稅款 對不起一般補助款 它扣了100億回去了 |
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計畫性補助款扣了300多億回去了所以通通等於幾乎原地踏不踏這個就是現況這時候審計長要介入啊審計部要介入啊你就發現到我們的審計長對於爭議的題目不敢碰不敢碰他除了什麼立委質詢的時候提出來有沒有有我這個人講話都很公道的 |
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我都按照數字來講話 比如說雞蛋 超市雞蛋那是什麼 對不起 那是立法院排床報告 |
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立委要求他就調查了立委給我做的啊我只好做啊就變成這樣子所以主動性非常不夠他有提到了你看這個審計部阿茲農委會112年3月開放雞蛋進口專案造成損失費用超過5億超過5億這個他具體的陳述他做到了 |
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可是我覺得那時候已經吵得沸沸揚揚如果沒有排中央報告我不知道審計報告在哪裡我不知道審計報告在哪裡所以這時候我就說他一上台我就告訴他你是拿一支大刀啊結果這個大刀什麼時候要回 |
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他發現要有人告訴他 他才敢揮啊沒有人告訴他不敢揮啊這個沈繼昌做的 我就覺得力道就稍微那個氣勢力道就稍微的差了一點這是第一個 我要提的這個極端的部分第二個對於政策 他敢不敢去沈繼昌我的看法 我在這裡這麼久沈繼昌完全不敢 |
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幾乎不敢 比如說這兩天我們的發電我們的備轉容量剩下3.8%橘色很可怕可能很快變成紅燈橘燈變紅燈變黑燈就確定了 審計部要不要介入這時候要不要介入 什麼問題 |
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現在可以用的都用了 新達電廠用了 林口電廠用了 頭農用了 電不夠我沒有看到神機部對這個事情有什麼看法因為現在立法院修會 沒有立法院的壓力 他就沒有動 |
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我覺得比較遺憾的在這裡當然立法院壓力給他 我要承認講我們只要告訴他 要做這個 要做那個 他會做而且做了這個效果 這個數字也都呈現所以我給他的是 我是很客觀的講在人員領域的表現 他叫誠實中立 揭露不足他很誠實 很中立 |
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那升級長要中立嘛 可是揭露不出比如說 我再講一個具體的 河市河市我都記得很清楚啊有一次我要專門 我個人喔這個開車道 也不是說我開車啦 反正有人給我開開到去找河市 我們要參觀河市場 |
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結果找不到牌子啊他連牌子都拆掉了我找不到地方進去啊裡面好大好大區好大找不到牌子進去後來才發現有一個小小的牌子何時才能夠進去看這樣的一個場我們的馬秀魯教授我很尊敬的我們政大的同事馬教授啊這麼專業當過監委當過監委嘛都很清楚啊 |
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這個會計準則 你都合適報廢掉了將近3000億的資產 為什麼要掛在資產當然你應該掛負債啊你要掛負債的話 你資產幾乎等於零了剩下就是一些 你當作破的爛鐵去賣可能剩100億吧 剩150億吧但是你也要掛將近3000億 2800多億的資產 |
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這個老實講這個能夠通過我們會計準則嘛像這個道道地地省計長的責任但是呢他還沒有講他就是模模糊糊他的話是這樣子我念給大家聽查核核四停建後龐大資產未減損督促經濟部處置這說這聽不懂啊我查到了你們自己去處理啊所以啊 |
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這個 這個 我們的審計上啊第一個 主動性不夠第二個 務虛大於務實因為實際上的東西 我覺得不是太夠那麼 當然啦 這個我最後的投票 要投 YES 或者 NO下午的諮詢 我再來決定謝謝 |