| IVOD_ID |
163609 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163609 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T15:19:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T15:35:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adc336fbf1806dce1a6c0ac07f6ba1e1b09e2f170cf6863d8db7a419371ec2b560b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:19:25 - 15:35:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 鄭副院長以及卓院長各位先進我們有請卓院長你剛才喝水可以嗎好 休息一下 請卓院長請備詢我們是不是請副院長一起好不好鄭副院長也請備詢謝謝代委員好 院長辛苦了不會 |
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這個G2030一直來立法院這裡辛苦但是我們希望我們希望來這裡能夠講一點真話啦要對國會公開啦現在現在外界這個今天的報告啊這個院長事先雷聲大雨點小說今天他就來然後林運把很多資料給我們結果 |
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編幾部沒什麼資料 作文做很多結論就是繼續談 爭取比較好的關稅這就是現在真心話可以說的部分還是黑箱 還是蓋牌我要請問就一件具體的事情 |
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我們大家都朝野不分朝野全民全台灣人民都期待能夠20加N所謂的疊加第一個它不是地板希望它變成天花板然後這20能夠降回15這是老百姓普遍的希望我們要的不多跟日本一樣就好了 |
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日本韓國都是15%我們要的不多就這樣子台灣老百姓非常老實非常誠實也非常實際這樣的一個努力現在看起來大概就有兩個方向了第一個就是對美要增加投資第二個開放國內市場我就請問曾副院長這個跟美國有沒有談到 |
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請你即時回答報告委員 的確美方會期待各國市場開放那我們也會在糧食安全國民健康的原則底下來跟他討論非關稅貿易障礙的確我們台美談判到最後沒有達成協議有部分就是連動供應鏈合作跟232調查的項目我必須講那麼細節 我因為我時間很限我就問你一個具體的事情 |
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是不是有可能美國是不是要求我們全面開放零關稅 有沒有 |
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美國有沒有要求我們大不大另外一件事有沒有要求美方自然有他的期待他期待零關稅對不對期待零關稅期待市場開放市場全面開放因為各國談判的情況會連動因為談判是一個階段發展的當有的國家用零關稅提出來一個條件的時候美方他也會提出你怎麼回答我的問題啊 政府院長 |
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請問副院長美國有沒有提出來要求零關稅美國提出市場開放的期待市場開放我必須這樣跟委員回答我方也會來針對有關在糧食安全國民健康的原則底上來跟美方協商但是因為委員如果我跟您講得太具體 |
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如果我在這邊涉及什麼樣的敏感項目跟您報告之後屆時如果影響談判的結果這是我們比較不希望看到的所以請委員諒解跟國會諒解你來這裡要講實話就是你沒有答案沒關係但是我們要了解美方有沒有提出來 |
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期待市場開放的確他會期待各國市場開放那這就是看雙方怎麼談判的確最後我們還有一部分要談的就是供應鏈合作投資供應鏈合作跟232條款相關的優惠方案但是這裡面 |
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也涉及對等關稅最終的稅率是一起來談的因為這個相關的報導未經向經貿辦查證未經向部會查證那我跟委員可以報告是說現在還在談判中相關的數字都還在這個 |
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談判中並不是媒體所報導的相關的數字跟我們的談判情況有所出入我們的GDP一年8000億美金日本4點多兆美金 它是我們的5倍日本承諾投資5500億 |
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拿到15%天花板價我們用了不多根就一樣就好了按照GDP比例我們再除以5%所以以我們來講投資1100億就夠了1100億Count off這應該1100億就是最多at most我們1500億 |
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兩千五百億就給我講完了啦好 這個這個副委員 這種算法我們都算過早上也有其他委員建議那我們會一併再一次的提出這樣合理的計算方式 |
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我想有關於我方有力的論述我們都會來交叉充分的運用但是也請委員我們如果委員有需要我們也可以有時間詳細再跟委員報告各國他們最終公布的條件他不同的這個性質譬如說投資的數字有不同的性質我要請教院長這個副院長比較沒有角色我要去問現在來看的話賴總統前幾天講話 |
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他講四個重點 其中兩個重點第一個重點就是啟動立院行政新的互動模式第二個重點啟動內閣改組我要不要請邱部長上來一下衛福部的邱部長邱部長你要不要上來一下 |
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媒體說成這樣 壞聲壞音這麼大聲 你說你要求邱部長寫辭職信 邱部長拒絕有些事情來 邱部長給你先說你有沒有跟院長見面 前幾天有沒有 有有 好是不是院長要你寫辭職信 你不要 |
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我跟委員報告我跟邱部長見面的時候我第一個問他說你對未來的工作有沒有什麼樣長遠的計畫他跟我講了很多他過去所做的跟未來所做的這是我們剛見面的過程開始結束的時候 |
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報告委員 我跟邱部長見面來來來 給邱部長講話一句話我一句話就好了我跟邱部長見面 只有我們兩個人沒有任何媒體在現場邱部長你講個話好不好有沒有要你寫辭職信 有沒有報告委員 沒有 我們都是談工作計畫沒有叫你寫辭職信工作跟健康台灣推動的一個狀況因為從這個事情看我就覺得原來的黃雁南原來的郭志輝兩位部長 |
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他們的請辭大概也都是被請辭啦換言之就是完全是由上而下 我要你走靠靠捏 讓你自己說 啊 健康因素啦生涯規劃啦 讓你靠靠捏 這樣 |
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黃部長因為戒掉期間8月底所以他回歸到中研院去那郭部長更有其他他個人的因素邱部長在立法院國會典禱要講實話喔確實沒有要你去辭職信喔確實沒有那你可以請回這是內閣改組你請回 |
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內閣改組的部分我就講第二個賴總統說要啟動新的立院行政互動模式你在這裡上個禮拜接受我的事情你也這樣講啊新的模式結果新的模式是什麼馬上我們看到115年的中正午總預算我們三讀通過了軍人加薪我們三讀通過了錦銷條例一通不編了 |
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你通不偏啦 好啦 你說因為市縣賴總統要替你講話這個啊 就是胡說八道看囉114年今年度中央政府總預算請問你有沒有在執行請問你 有沒有在執行114年今年度目前正在執行中央政府總預算請問你有沒有提市縣114年中央政府總預算對 市縣 有沒有我們提出過復議 |
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你五月提復印 八月提釋憲八月憲法法庭受理答案還沒有出來換言之只要大家都知道這是一個ABC只要經過總統公告的法律案三讀通過了你要實現可以 你寫實施 |
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換言之 你今天115年的中央政府總預算你說軍人加薪因為失憲 請下條例因為失憲不編預算 這個叫違法亂計 違法違憲兩個回答第一個 委員您是 |
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台政的專家在立法院多年立法院通過一個法案要行政院增加預算是否合憲值得考慮第二個我們這次的釋憲案我們並同提出暫時處分我們希望在暫時處分釋憲確定之後如果違憲我們就不做違憲機關的行為如果合憲我們就必須要補正我們就補正 |
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不是這樣子啦我剛跟你講了半天你都沒有認真聽114年的預算正在執行你也是提示線我們沒有暫時處分你也在執行啊 |
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我們沒有暫時處分你也在執行啊那現在這一次我們對於民進黨預算我們都了解啊我們提了暫時處分你不要去這樣子這個大家都了解我們提了暫時處分就是你只要總統公告了就生效總統公告生效了對不對沒有生效的我們也不能復議 不能釋憲啊不是 你可以生效的你也沒有提復議你沒有提復議啊對不對 你就直接挑起釋憲大會委員長你希望我不提復議啊 |
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不能用這樣的理由不是 我們有提暫時處分這一次有提暫時處分院長 老實講我對你上禮拜的答案我是滿意的但是今天的答案我是不滿意的我覺得你還是擺開一副 |
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要跟立法院吵架的架勢嘛立法院用一個法案來增加行政機關的大幅支出這樣對嗎我們要求依法編列那就會重演原來114年禁法補償你不編退回 我們會退回 |
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696.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
722.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我就強力主張要退回因為我們同過的所以委員還是認為立法院可以用一個法案或一個預算案來大幅增加行政機關的這個預算的編列大幅支出那我就告訴你這個沒有違反憲法跟預算法嗎對 我就告訴你民進黨的先進門最早提出來那個叫許信良他當立委的時候提出來就提出來 |
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729.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
753.056 |
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要給老人津貼一個人三千一樣啊 跟這個一模一樣啊當時行政院如果同意有徵詢過有徵詢過行政院如果同意就沒有違憲問題如果沒有徵詢過而且沒有指出資金的來源那就有違憲之餘啊那種案子太多了啦立法委員 民進黨的委員提案然後也增加預算這個太多太多了我就不要再講了齁我再請那個政府院長 |
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754.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
757.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
政府院長跟楊總裁政府院長跟楊總裁時間暫停一下 |
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777.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
788.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
現在講20%PLUS N啦其實如果把匯率加進來就是30幾%啦請問總裁4月到現在台幣升值多少 |
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791.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
812.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
我們從今年開始來算我們是7.184月2號開始那這個我大概要再算一下我告訴你最少是8我就是7點4點4月2號為什麼因為那時候川普講的這個關稅的問題從那時候開始算起其實那時候請問一下外匯存底多少 |
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813.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
818.878 |
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我们外存底大概是5800亿5800亿每一天的会市大概15亿到20亿天哪 |
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828.058 |
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856.452 |
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VS5800億老實講你要調節太容易了你要維持在哪裡就哪裡了但是因為你怕人家說你是匯率超重所以呢但是那個時候突然突然一張一下子一塊錢我想委員講的也沒有錯不過我有一個原則我們必須要把握住就是說 |
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857.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
869.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
你升職或是貶職的時候 你的調節委員的意思就是說 你都可以來調節但是我說調節要有節制調節要有節制所以是貶職調節或是升職調節都要有節制現在證明了你當初讓他大幅升職 那是配合關稅談判 |
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885.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
910.818 |
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政府院長跟主委長沒有喔我跟委員報告 絕對沒有報告委員 央行不在我們台美經貿工作小組也不在我談判小組我的談判沒有涉及匯率這個要跟委員同時的報告絕對沒有廠商們 大家前面這麼多的委員在提到的你不要講話 我講喔因為我事情不多了 |
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913.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
931.603 |
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最大的擔心是匯率因為匯率不是只有對美國 對全世界都是我買到歐洲也是 買到東南亞也是大家都非常的清楚匯率才是重要匯率加12% 所以我們等32%所以事實上最近新台幣 |
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950.925 |
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950.945 |
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好 謝謝 |
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賴委員士葆：（15時19分）謝謝主席江副院長，以及卓院長、各位先進。有請卓院長。你剛才喝水，可以了嗎？休息一下，好，請卓院長。 |
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主席：卓院長，請備詢。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們是不是請副院長一起，好不好？ |
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主席：鄭副院長也請備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝賴委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長辛苦了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：不會。 |
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賴委員士葆：你接二連三一直來立法院，很辛苦！但是我們希望來這裡能夠講一點真話，要對國會公開啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：一定。 |
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賴委員士葆：針對今天的報告，院長是先雷聲大雨點小，說今天來就去把很多資料給我們，結果翻了半天，也沒有什麼資料，作文做很多。結論就是繼續談，爭取比較好的關稅，我們沒有看到…… |
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卓院長榮泰：向委員報告，這就是現在真心話可以說的部分。 |
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賴委員士葆：鄭副院長對國會還是黑箱、還是蓋牌，我就請問一件很具體的事情，大家不分朝野，全臺灣人民都期待能夠「20%+N」，所謂的疊加。第一個，它不是地板，希望它變成天花板，這20%能夠降為15%，這是老百姓普遍的希望，我們要的不多，跟日本一樣就好了！日本、韓國都是15%，我們要的不多就這樣子。臺灣老百姓非常老實、非常誠實，也非常實際，這樣的努力現在看起來大概就有兩個方向：第一個是對美要增加投資；第二個是開放國內市場。我請問鄭副院長，跟美國有沒有談到這部分？請你據實回答。 |
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鄭副院長麗君：報告委員，的確美方會期待各國市場開放，我們也會在糧食安全、國民健康的原則底下，跟他們討論關稅、非關稅貿易障礙。的確臺美談判到最後沒有達成協議，有部分就是連動供應鏈合作跟232調查的項目，所以…… |
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賴委員士葆：不必講那麼多細節，我時間有限，就問你一個具體的事情，美國是不是要求我們全面開放零關稅，有沒有？美國有沒有要求？我們答不答應是另外一件事，有沒有要求？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：美方自然有他們的期待…… |
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賴委員士葆：他們期待零關稅，對不對？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：美方的確期待…… |
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賴委員士葆：期待零關稅？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：期待市場開放…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我們沒有全面。 |
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賴委員士葆：全面開放？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：是市場開放，我這樣講比較精確。 |
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賴委員士葆：市場全面開放。 |
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鄭副院長麗君：因為各國談判的情況會連動，談判是一個階段發展的，當有國家用零關稅提出一個條件的時候，美方他們也會持續的提出。 |
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賴委員士葆：我就問你，你一直沒有回答我問題。鄭副院長，美國有沒有提出要求零關稅？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：美國提出市場開放的期待…… |
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賴委員士葆：有沒有提出零關稅？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：是市場開放，我必須這樣跟委員回答，我方也會來針對有關在糧食安全、國民健康的原則底下來跟美方協商…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以你在跟我講農業囉！我沒有在問你農業，是在問你美方有沒有要求零關稅？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：如果我跟您講得太具體，我在這邊涉及什麼樣的敏感項目跟您報告之後…… |
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賴委員士葆：這沒有敏感項目啊！ |
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鄭副院長麗君：屆時如果影響談判的結果，這是我們比較不希望看到的。請委員諒解，也請國會諒解。 |
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賴委員士葆：你來這裡要講實話，你沒有答案，沒關係，但是我們要了解美方有沒有提出全面開放這個條件？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：是期待市場開放，的確他會期待各國市場開放…… |
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賴委員士葆：有沒有全面開放？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：這就是看雙方怎麼談判。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，有沒有要求我們要增加投資？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：的確，最後我們還有一部分要談的就是供應鏈合作…… |
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賴委員士葆：增加投資。 |
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鄭副院長麗君：供應鏈合作跟232條款相關的優惠方案，但是這裡也涉及對等關稅最終的稅率，是一起來談的。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以媒體講4年投資2,500億，你們還否認，你們說不對啊！不對是比較多，還是比較少？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：因為這個相關的報導未經向經貿辦及相關部會查證，我跟委員可以報告是現在還在談判中，相關的數字都還在談判中，並不是媒體所報導相關的…… |
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賴委員士葆：2,500億，有出現過吧？ |
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鄭副院長麗君：相關的數字跟我們的談判情況有所出入。 |
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賴委員士葆：我跟你講老百姓的期待是什麼？我們的GDP是一年8,000億美金，日本四點多兆美金，他們是我們的5倍，日本承諾投資5,500億，拿到15%的天花板價，我們要的不多，跟日本一樣就好了。按照GDP比例，我們可以除以五，所以以我們來講，投資1,100億就夠了，counter offer就應該1,100億，我們最多、at most就是投資1,500億，2,500億就被人家當「盤子」了。好，副院長請回座。 |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我們都算過這種算法，早上也有其他委員建議，我們會一併再次提出這樣合理的計算方式。 |
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鄭副院長麗君：我想…… |
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賴委員士葆：副院長、副院長！請你不要講，因為我的時間…… |
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鄭副院長麗君：關於對我方有利的論述，我們都會交叉充分地運用，如果委員有需要，也可以找時間詳細再跟委員報告各國最終公布的條件以及不同的性質，譬如投資的數字有不同的性質。 |
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賴委員士葆：我要請教院長，這個部分副院長比較沒有角色。現在來看的話，賴總統前幾天講話，講了4個重點，其中兩個重點，第一個重點就是啟動立院行政新的互動模式；第二個重點是啟動內閣改組。 |
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請邱部長上來一下，衛福部的邱部長，你要不要上來一下？來，媒體講得繪聲繪影，這麼大聲在說院長要求邱部長寫請辭信，邱部長拒絕，有這個事情嗎？邱部長讓你先講，前幾天你有沒有跟院長見面？有沒有？ |
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卓院長榮泰：有。 |
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賴委員士葆：有！好，是不是院長要你寫辭職信，你不要？ |
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邱部長泰源：沒有、沒有，沒有這回事。 |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我跟邱部長見面的時候，第一個問他對未來的工作有沒有什麼樣長遠的計畫？他跟我講了很多他過去所做的跟未來所要做的，這是我們剛見面過程的開始，結束的時候…… |
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賴委員士葆：為什麼媒體寫得這麼大，說你叫他請辭，他不要？ |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我跟邱部長見面…… |
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賴委員士葆：來、來、來，給邱部長講話，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我一句話就好了！我跟邱部長見面時只有我們兩個人，沒有任何媒體在現場。 |
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賴委員士葆：邱部長講個話，有沒有要你寫辭職信？有沒有？ |
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邱部長泰源：報告委員，沒有，我們都是談工作計畫…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有叫你寫辭職信？ |
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邱部長泰源：包括衛福部現在的工作跟健康臺灣推動的狀況。 |
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賴委員士葆：從這個事情看來，我覺得原來的黃彥男、郭智輝兩位部長大概也都是被請辭啦！換言之，完全就是由上而下，我要你走，讓你走得比較好看而已！讓你自己說是因為健康因素、生涯規劃，讓你走得比較好看而已！ |
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卓院長榮泰：黃部長因為借調期間至8月底，所以他回歸到中研院，至於郭部長更是有其他的個人因素。 |
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賴委員士葆：邱部長確定喔？邱部長，在立法院國會殿堂要講實話！ |
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邱部長泰源：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：確實沒有要你寫辭職信？確實沒有？確實沒有？ |
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邱部長泰源：沒有、沒有，確實沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：那你可以請回。關於內閣改組的部分，第二個賴總統說要啟動新的立法、行政互動模式，上個禮拜你在這裡接受我的質詢也這樣講啊！新的模式，結果新的模式是什麼？我們看到115年的中央政府總預算，三讀通過了軍人加薪、三讀通過了警消條例，結果你通通不編了！好了，你說是因為釋憲，賴總統還替你講話，這個叫做胡說八道！114年、今年度的中央政府總預算，請問你有沒有在執行？請問你有沒有在執行？ |
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卓院長榮泰：114年度？ |
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賴委員士葆：114年度、今年度。 |
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卓院長榮泰：目前正在執行中央政府總預算。 |
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賴委員士葆：正在執行嘛！請問你有沒有提釋憲？ |
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卓院長榮泰：114年中央政府總預算？ |
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賴委員士葆：對，有沒有提釋憲？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們提出過覆議。 |
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賴委員士葆：你在5月提覆議，8月提釋憲，8月憲法法庭受理，答案還沒有出來。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：換言之，大家都知道這是一個ABC，只要法律案三讀通過經總統公告了，你要釋憲可以，但要先實施。換言之，115年的中央政府總預算，你說軍人加薪因為釋憲、警消條例因為釋憲而不編預算，這個叫違法亂紀、違法違憲。 |
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卓院長榮泰：兩個回答：第一個，委員是財政的專家，在立法院多年，立法院通過一個法案要行政院增加預算，是否合憲值得考慮；第二個，這次的釋憲案，我們併同提出暫時處分，希望暫時處分在釋憲結果確定之後，如果違憲，我們就不做違憲機關的行為；如果合憲，必須要補正，我們就補正。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是這樣子啦！我剛剛跟你講老半天，你都沒有認真聽！114年的預算正在執行，你也是提釋憲…… |
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卓院長榮泰：但我們沒有暫時處分哪！ |
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賴委員士葆：你也在執行啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們沒有暫時處分。 |
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賴委員士葆：你也在執行啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：現在這一次我們對於明年度預算…… |
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賴委員士葆：我們都了解啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們提了暫時處分。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不要去這樣……這個大家都了解，就是只要總統公告就生效、總統公告就生效，對不對？ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有生效的我們也不能覆議、不能釋憲，所以一定生效。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是，生效的你也沒有提覆議，你沒有提覆議，對不對？你就直接跳去釋憲，暫時處分。 |
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卓院長榮泰：因為大院委員都很希望我不提覆議啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：不能用這樣的理由。 |
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卓院長榮泰：不是，我們有提暫時處分，這一次有提暫時處分。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長，老實講，我對你上個禮拜的答復是滿意的，但是今天的答復，我是不滿意的，我覺得你還是擺開一副要跟立法院吵架的架式嘛！哪裡有行動？ |
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卓院長榮泰：立法院用一個法案來增加行政機關的大幅支出，這樣對嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，我們要求依法編列，那就會重演原來114年禁伐補償你不編，我們會退回，我就強力主張要退回，因為我們通過的，追加沒有道理。 |
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卓院長榮泰：所以委員還是認為立法院可以用一個法案或一個預算案來大幅增加行政機關的預算編列，然後大幅支出。 |
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賴委員士葆：那我就告訴你…… |
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卓院長榮泰：這個沒有違反憲法跟預算法嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：來！我就告訴你，民進黨的先進們，最早提出來的那個人叫許信良，他當立委的時候提出來，要給老人津貼一個人三千，一樣啊！跟這個一模一樣啊！通過了！ |
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卓院長榮泰：當時如果有徵詢過行政院，行政院同意，就沒有違憲的問題，如果沒有徵詢過，而且沒有指出資金的來源，那就有違憲之虞啊！不是嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
賴委員士葆：這種案子太多了啦！立法委員、民進黨的委員提案，然後也增加預算，這個太多太多了，我就不要再講了。我再請鄭副院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：此例不可開啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：請鄭副院長跟中央銀行楊總裁。 |
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主席：請鄭副院長跟楊總裁備詢。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在講20%+N啦，其實如果把匯率加進來，就是三十幾%啦！請問總裁，從4月2號到現在臺幣升值多少？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們從今年開始來算，我們是7.18%。 |
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賴委員士葆：我要你從4月2號開始算。 |
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楊總裁金龍：那這個我大概要再算一下，我現在不大了解。 |
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賴委員士葆：我告訴你最少10%，為什麼從4月2號開始算？因為那時候川普講關稅的問題，從那時候開始算起，請問你現在外匯存底多少？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們的外匯存底大概是5,800億左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：每一天的匯市增加多少？ |
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楊總裁金龍：大概15億到20億。 |
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賴委員士葆：15億到20億？天啊！vs. 5,800億，老實講你要調節太容易了！你要維持在哪裡就哪裡啦！但是因為你怕人家說你是匯率操作，所以猶豫不決、閃閃躲躲，但是那個時候突然殺得你這樣，突然一漲，啪！一下子一塊錢、兩塊錢。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我想委員講的也沒有錯啦，不過我們有一個原則必須要把握住，就是升值或貶值的時候，你的調節，委員的意思是說你都可以來調節，但是呢…… |
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賴委員士葆：當然可以調節啊！本來央行就可以調節！ |
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楊總裁金龍：但是我說調節要有節制啦，所以不管是貶值調節或升值調節都要有節制。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在證明了你當初讓它大幅升值，那是配合關稅談判，鄭副院長跟卓院長…… |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員這樣的誤會，國家承擔不起你這樣的指責。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我跟委員報告，絕對沒有！ |
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鄭副院長麗君：報告委員，央行不在我們臺美經貿工作小組，也不在我談判小組，我的談判沒有涉及匯率，這個要跟委員如實的報告。 |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，沒有。 |
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卓院長榮泰：絕對沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們事後來看啦，其實廠商們，前面這麼多的委員提到的，你不要講話，讓我講，因為我時間不多了，最大的擔心是匯率，因為匯率不是只有對美國，對全世界都是，我賣到歐洲也是，賣到東南亞也是，對不對？ |
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楊總裁金龍：是啦，沒有錯。 |
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賴委員士葆：大家都非常的清楚，匯率才是重要，匯率加12%，所以我們等於32%啊！拜託！ |
| gazette.blocks[128][0] |
楊總裁金龍：沒有、沒有、沒有，我報告委員…… |
| gazette.blocks[129][0] |
賴委員士葆：不是20%啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[130][0] |
楊總裁金龍：報告委員，所以事實上…… |
| gazette.blocks[131][0] |
賴委員士葆：不是20%。 |
| gazette.blocks[132][0] |
楊總裁金龍：事實上最近的話…… |
| gazette.blocks[133][0] |
賴委員士葆：不是20%。 |
| gazette.blocks[134][0] |
楊總裁金龍：新臺幣匯率也貶上去了。 |
| gazette.blocks[135][0] |
賴委員士葆：對不對？那也……貶上去。 |
| gazette.blocks[136][0] |
卓院長榮泰：匯率我們會重視，但絕對不是談判的內容，這個跟委員澄清。 |
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鄭副院長麗君：不在我談判的範圍，要跟委員報告。 |
| gazette.blocks[138][0] |
卓院長榮泰：這要跟委員澄清，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[139][0] |
鄭副院長麗君：謝謝委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[140][0] |
主席：謝謝賴委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
| gazette.blocks[140][1] |
下一位請林岱樺委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
158 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-3-26 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
江啟臣 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
吳思瑤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
陳昭姿 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
45 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-08-25 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1147401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1147401_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[1] |
1147401_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案
報告並備質詢─詢答完畢─ |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1147401_00003 |