| IVOD_ID |
163586 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163586 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-20T12:02:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-20T12:16:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3feaef107a98f0c91e82a1ec1e009bff0ed9bbdce0c54962817c1cbb294e2f35e9d50a309363faa25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:02:39 - 12:16:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長就「協助中小企業災後復原辦理情況」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝主席 是不是請經濟部郭部長郭部長 |
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今天是中小企業怎麼去協助度過多重的危機 |
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包括當然是天災也包括整體國際大環境的變化跟挑戰包括大概我認為有三大挑戰中小企業大部分都是傳統產業比較多傳統產業集中也都中南部比較多所以又受到風災然後又遇到國際大環境經濟形勢的變化包括這個美國關稅的問題現在還是沒有最終的這個答案那 |
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牽涉到包括這個鋼鋁我們這個232條款裡面鋼鋁是50%對不對有用鋼鋁塑造影響的產業包括這個工具機包括螺絲扣件等等對不對所以美國的關稅是一個整體經營環境的挑戰之一之二就是我們匯率問題我們升值的幅度高於日韓中 |
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對匯率是支柱必較 匯率的敏感度 傳統產業的敏感度相對的避險也比較不足 避險能力也比較不足也沒有專業的人力去做避險的工作所以他們對匯率的敏感度很強第三個 中國的惡性的競爭 |
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中國不管是從過去的面板到石化到自行車等等都是用同樣模式用國家資本介入去取得你的這個市占率甚至牽連到成熟製程還好我們新興製程還保持一定的優勢成熟製程他們再過幾年他們市占率就是不到50%的這種情況包括傳統產業包括這個高科技產業成熟製程他都用同樣的模式 |
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去取得它的供应链取得这个影响力整个产业链的影响力所以我们传统产业面临到这三种国际环境的变化中国的工市 汇率 然后关税然后加上热金天灾中小企业是不是我认为这二十几年来最艰苦的阶段部长你同意吗 |
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確實如委員指教的部分確實現在的中小企業需要經濟部大力的協作跟輔助這不是一般就是小感冒或者是不舒服頭痛而已我覺得是一個非常重大的疾病或者是一個重大的挑戰如果沒有處理好會危及到產業的生存 |
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所以我們必須要嚴肅的面對這個挑戰一項一項來拆解那當然天災部分我們有這個資料重建條例來處理但是匯率這個匯率我們可以匯率跟關稅可超支在我嗎報告委員我個人認為就我過去的經驗來看匯率是可以在某一個部分某一個狀況之下可超支在幾 |
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就是我们用政策可以去做调控规律我们是可以处理关税是非可控的关税是非可控的超市在他但是现在我们坦白讲我们已经知道暂定的关税是20加N所以就这样的一个情况之下我们先面对这个最坏的状况我们在谈只有更好不会更差 |
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所以就20加恩的时候现在经济部就就20加恩这样的情况之下我们如何协助这一些中小企业他们能够面对这样的一个困境所以我们第一个先解决汇率的问题所以汇率你觉得到哪一种汇率水准才是符合业界的期待我们现在的汇率我们大概中小企业他们比较担心的是日本跟韩国 |
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所以我們的匯率不是只有自己盯美國而是要去考慮到整個動態環境您也是央行理事對不對我是央行理事對啊你們在這個相關的匯率討論的時候也可以跟這個楊總裁建議我有我會跟那個中央銀行的總裁我們會來討論怎麼樣子讓到未來其實我跟委員報告我們所了解的這是關稅的部分 |
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應該會在未來三個月裡面談完談完就是有一個最終的一個關稅稅率最終的對 但是呢這個會影響的波廊是比較好的結果大概六個月所以我們現在也在討論什麼樣子讓台灣的匯率從現在一直到農曆年前可以是穩定的不會vibration太大的這樣子的話我們台灣的企業韌性是非常的強目前的匯率可以嗎 |
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你覺得維持在目前的匯率水準現在30.23所以現在的匯率應該是業者來講說是不是到31到32一般來講就過去6年過去6年的平均值是31 |
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所以應該如果回到過去六年平均的這個水平會比較好那又回到您所說的這是可操之在我的是可操之在央行的相關的匯率政策所以你做央行我們不能操縱匯率你可以做紅官調控不是操縱紅官調控操縱跟紅官調控是不一樣謝謝委員的指教這個部分 |
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因為您說是31是比較合理我們來努力我們往最棒的狀況去調整這個市場裡面我們比較怕的是禿鷹跟預期心理因為我們在上半年我們其實粗糙蠻多的所以這個會有人預期說那你這樣的這個要換台幣就會升值那大家如果說讓那個 |
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大家都短暫的 怕它崩掉所以我剛綜合一下關稅在六個月之內三個月之內會有一個最終的稅率出來然後我們希望在未來六個月我們的匯率維持一定的水準維持有競爭力的水準這個關一定可以過我們目標是到31就是過去六年的平均稅率這是我們最棒的狀況好 那另外一個中國的這個 |
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他們的這個競爭中國用所有的方式用在石化用這個面板等等對這個相關螺絲擴建也是如此過去螺絲擴建台灣不用說什麼螺絲擴建過去是全球第三名 |
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那現在東南亞也追上來了那中國又用那種搶佔你低價 國家資本介入搶佔你市佔率的方式 讓你的獲利減少 讓你的成本增加加上我們國際環境的變化所以我們對傳統產業 |
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有沒有在政策上強烈的支持讓他們成本能夠降低讓他們在國際市場上有更多的市場機會或者維持相當的競爭力 |
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我觉得对金属扣件要有一个专章要有一个专章然后金属扣件因为每个产业面对的问题不尽相同所以专章就是既然对金属扣件我们有很多具体的很具体的做法让这些产业能够度过这三重的挑战跟危机 |
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報告委員我們都有方法包括在國內我們如果幫助國內的廠商降低它的成本利用AI的這個操作第二個透過EXCO能夠太舊換新它的設備然後節能減碳第三個我幫它統籌材料幫它能夠降低成本這個已經上路了嗎還是在規劃上路上路上路 |
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然後在美國在美國的市場我們在搜尋美國強的這個通路然後協助國內的廠商可以進入那個通路我覺得是這樣子就是面對中國的這個競爭惡性競爭不管是先進製程不管是成熟製程或是傳統產業我們能不能比如說成熟製程部分禁止國內的半導體跟中國投片 |
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你要跟國內投片不要跟中國 不用中芯國際那些禁止或者你要限制它投片的比例同樣的我們的這個公共工程是不是可以禁止使用這個中國製的相關的擴建產品零件公共工程禁止使用中國的商品這個我們做得到擴大到所有產業呢一樣 |
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所以我們就是禁止中國人我們要用本國的本國的不能進來啦現在的規定就是不能進來啦中國的中國的喔那西山地呢西山地抓到太刀抓到太刀抓到喔第一遍60萬 |
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第二邊三百萬 第三邊就吊銷執照就說那些要流離台灣啦我們都公共工程 或是大型企業那些工廠都用台灣借 台灣奔透的金屬擴建嘛一定要你要防範這些稀產地 為中國進來 |
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这个我们为什么会在这一次的这个特别是在海防跟国防上面编列1500亿就是禁止他能够走私起产地那这样我就稍微稍微比较放心另外就是成熟市城能不能限制他去跟这个中国以中国国家资本为主的这些扶植起来的这个半导体的成熟市城去投片 |
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我們現在還是這樣 我跟委員報告在改變那個consumer的產品是沒有意義的啦你必須要去做teleman不過它市貸率已經超過50%了我們那個市貸率小的東西就不好賣賺錢嘛我們要去做會賺錢的生意啦什麼叫會賺錢的生意賺錢就是先進製程啦 成熟製程就拚不贏他現在是怎樣 我舉個數字給你聽成熟製程我們照樣可以teleman |
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美国三分之二的科技厂商有跟中国投片三分之二但是整个投片的比率占12%而已他在美国他在中国投片然后看的是中国的市场 |
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他看的是中國的市場不會影響到外部的市場我們看的是中國以外的市場因為中國的市場 不賺錢嘛所以政府要補助他 |
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境外博主委他内卷的很厉害其实中国的而且现在中国这两年去年跟今年增加的四十几个Fab其实都没有竞争力的他内部竞争很厉害是他们中国国内的事情但是他内部竞争也会影响到这个外部的环境你放心我是很担心未来我们这个成熟市场就像现在的石化过去的这个面板 |
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受到中国的红色供应链的侵袭因为半导体的变半导体的更新技术的更新两年就是一个世代那对这成熟制程也是一样它那里面 |
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能夠賺錢的部分其實很少所以您認為說我們的半導體成熟製程在未來一段時間還是能維持一定的優勢我們當然有競爭優勢因為特別是在特別是20奈米以下的14 12 17這四個製程裡面中國沒有辦法做到有辦法做到 但是良率非常低 |
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但是台湾这个地方做很好的是台积电但台积电现在所有的人都shift到5 3 2 1.8所以他可以让出这个我刚才讲的10 24 17这四个阶段的这个制程比如说给他的兄弟公司世界先进或者其他的华邦汪洪这个我们就可以那如果28奈米的呢28奈米的呢28奈米的可以放弃啦没弹的啊 |
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但是國內也有很多生產啊沒有啦我們要做那個會斷的我們不能做那個就不會斷的生意所以這個說來話長但是因為實業限制我一向都很損失的這個我可以跟委員私底下報告因為這方面是這方面真的是我的專業啦好 改天再跟你請教沒有沒有 不敢謝謝委員好 謝謝 |