| IVOD_ID |
163560 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163560 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-19T16:49:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-19T17:04:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/906c3280ae286f11ba09abec758d59d518ad07c9952a2a5359ecb5ed36d74995befde21dfa2b36bd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:49:01 - 17:04:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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羅志強委員請質詢主席有請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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委員長好一般補助款的風波我看已經燒進行政院院會那我有些問題要請教我想請教院長行政院院會之所以邀請地方政府的原因是什麼行政院院會為什麼邀請地方政府我們邀請地方是以六都首長為 |
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邀請的對象對他們來陳述地方對中央的一些期待或者把反映地方的民情讓中央能夠第一線了解更清楚非常好就是中央地方強化溝通嘛對不對攜手為人民做事絕對不會是鴻門宴吧對不對從來不是從來不是非常好從來不是用鴻門宴來鬥地方首長從來不是非常好 |
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那盧歇文市長這個月14號參加行政院院會他就是要為地方政府爭取被行政院刪掉的一般性補助款該不該刪我們待會討論但是就一個地方政府的市長他來爭取他的一般性補助款請問是不是他的本質 |
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盧市長當天在院會是針對地方對於一些補助款的事項還有其他的事情我先講嘛 他爭取一般性補助款 請問是他的本質嗎這一點我聽到了非常好啊 他爭取他的本質啊結果隔天你們的彭啟明部長上電視節目說盧縣長很不客氣啊像媽媽在罵兒子很兇很悍啊 |
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我想請教彭部長發言是您授意的嗎就要去節目上講的嗎院長不會授意彭部長我當然知道你不會授意啊那我再問你下一件事情啊行政院院會內的內容用他片面之詞在節目上來去揭之於眾用他的方式來去解讀說盧秀燕很兇很憨請問院長你覺得這樣做是對的嗎 |
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部長在院會裡面的感受我沒有辦法一一的跟他們做了解溝通你是院長耶我只問你對這件事情覺得妥不妥當你還跟我講說他的感受如何對啊 部長他感受如果今天不能夠符合我們行政院今天去破壞行政院院會的和諧你說院長有沒有責任去稍微去是啦 |
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他形容的方式我沒有辦法去約束他那回來我問你他形容方式你認同嗎我問你他形容方式你認同嗎他形容方式你認同嗎你覺得盧秀恩市長是像媽媽一樣在罵你這個兒子嗎也許彭部長的媽媽是這樣罵他我的媽媽是沒有這樣罵我所以你覺得盧秀恩這樣罵你嗎像罵兒子一樣罵你嗎盧市長是不是如何罵他的孩子我也不知道 |
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彭部長說卢市長罵你就像媽媽罵兒子一樣你這句話你不敢回答所以我說嘛彭部長的媽媽你連一個不認同都說不出口不是啦 彭部長的媽媽也許這樣罵他彭部長媽媽怎麼罵他家的事啦也許他認為就像我問你今天你有沒有覺得盧秀恩像媽媽一樣罵你啦我的媽媽沒有這樣罵我你的媽媽沒有這樣罵你那是你們家的事情啦我也沒辦法干涉啦我也不知道盧市長如何罵他的小孩我也不知道 |
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院長你如果真的覺得這種狡辯的方式你可以讓台灣人民覺得你有回答問題我也欣賞你 |
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我看民進黨這一年來就呈現你這種鬼打牆的狡辯方式你現在要我去我三段論問你彭啟明是不是在節目上說盧秀燕罵你像媽媽罵兒子一樣很兇很漢這是事實問題有沒有他有這麼講謝謝嘛第二個事實問題 |
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今天盧修遠在行政院院會對卓榮泰像媽媽罵兒子一樣罵得很兇很汗嗎我不知道他是如何罵他小孩我怎麼會知道他怎麼會罵他小孩他有沒有罵你很兇很汗我媽媽沒有這樣罵我他有沒有罵你很兇很汗他沒有我們在謝謝他沒有我們在會上謝謝謝謝我得到我的答案了我只是希望說他能夠針對答案謝謝你不用改口了 |
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他們罵你很兇很憨再來講一次你剛講沒有要改口給你最後一次機會改口我說他如何罵他小孩我不知道我不管你爸爸媽媽了啦我現在只問他們罵你很兇很憨有沒有你一直要給我亂扯什麼媽媽像不像媽媽你要給我搞這個邏輯遊戲沒關係我斷這個邏輯斷掉我只問他們罵你很兇很憨有沒有我們那天就事論事討論事項就沒有嘛語氣上面我有請他說不要在這裡 |
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你真的 你們本來行政院發言還否認說你沒有叫他你沒有去叫什麼不要創造聲量說搞到半天 原來是你指示彭部長啊你認為盧秀燕創造聲量 是這個意思嗎我只是說他 請他能夠停止發言 我要跟院長說 我有問他一句話我要跟院長說抱歉齁 畢仁在下齁 也在政府服務過 |
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國民黨執政行政院院會不會有這種事情不會有閣員到節目上去攻擊陳其邁 攻擊賴清德攻擊民進黨的地方首長啦我那天有請問 盧市長你是不是不支持追加餘順 我也問他這句話我現在已經跳題了 你還不翻篇啊我告訴你 兩個政府的高下 格局 格調可見一般 讓人民公平來 詳情教你下一題 |
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我想請教 院長你也承認今年總預算史上最高嘛 對不對我看你答詢的時候講過啊六都都是史上最高對 很好 你就說有新增項目兩千多億嘛 對不對兩千八百零六億那我不客氣的講你這話說跟沒說一樣哪一個政府沒有新增項目啊所以史上最高不是最過啊沒關係 最後面要講史上最高不是最過我下一題問你 我這一題要問你我想請問 |
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貴院今年史上最高就是事實嘛 沒錯嘛你有沒有聽過一句話就是被人家傳為接你部長隔奎的人選蔣萬事長推薦的童子鞋他說不會辭家就換人啦你認不認同這句話不會辭家就換人 有沒有認同這句話不會什麼不會辭家就換人啦這句話放諸世來皆準非常好 放諸世來皆準希望放在你身上不要準啦 |
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馬總統執政時候編列的最低總預算是多少2009年1.81兆編列最高總預算是多少2016年1.99兆蔡英文執政時編列最低的總預算是多少2017年1.97兆最高是多少2024年2.88兆就算算進統三 |
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在總統任命的您行政院總預算2.92還比馬英九總統時候高出9300億就馬英九總統最高的總預算也高出9300億比蔡英文最高的總預算也高出400億別的政府都能夠拿比較低的預算做事你不能 抱歉啊我覺得童子賢講的話很適用在你身上啊 |
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不會持家就換人嘛2025年的事情你拿到2008年去比嗎拜託你啊我拿了還有一個叫2024年啊2024年你也不認2005年的事情拿到2008年抱歉我講的是2016年的事耶 |
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487.181 |
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2016年是蔡總統2016年是2016年馬政府的最高的總預算也比你們要少9300億啊我可以去查一查2016年馬總統當年的總預算在當時是不是也是史上最高 |
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當時我跟你講我說過每個政府最高是一回事我抱歉喔不是每一年都最高喔不是每一年都最高我看過喔也有低也有這年比去年少的有喔有喔來啦來啦我告訴你啦 |
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505.322 |
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521.158 |
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從所謂的1.9兆變成是2.9兆多了快要1兆這樣子你告訴我說經濟成長沒關係我再問你下一個問題你再報告說史上最高預算不是最過嘛對不對因為地方政府史上預算有很多最高嘛對不對 |
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因為我們在編今年預算的時候賴總統有指示我們不編特別預算我認同你史上最高預算不是最過嘛你只要強調這件事我就認同啦來來來但亂花錢總是最過吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
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如果沒有準決預算的話會違反我們整個施政的理念我聽你報告說你為什麼不刪中央政府總預算卻把638億全部轉給地方政府因為你實在挪不出空間嘛你今天答詢說的嘛 對不對我們已經被刪了1439億你少來啦 1430多億其中1000億是台電的那個補助啦剩下的錢是我們一下一下覺得政府我們該拿掉的統刪就是636億要你去動的啦 |
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所以你不要再玩數字遊戲沒關係 我們就拿這636億來這636億是不是全部刪地方政府的補助款 是不是我們是拖減地方政府的補助款天啊 這你都答不出來你就全砍地方政府 拖減25%啊總共刪636億啊 這個你也不敢回答沒有錯啊謝謝你嘛 為什麼繞那麼多圈來 你找不出空間你就推給地方政府啊 |
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這是什麼擔當跟肩膀來沒關係我再說問你喔你是不是說因為行政院不是魔術師對不對你說過啦陳其邁跟黃偉哲就是魔術師你推給他們他們就該死那你又說行政院不是印鈔機你講的嘛沒錯吧奇怪了那蔣萬安跟盧秀恩他們就開印鈔機啊所以我們16361就可以丟給他我們請地方跟中央共體時間我跟你講我今天公道一點跟院長說啦 |
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643.2 |
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636億齁如果你今天講說真的立法院刪的不對立法院刪的我們實在受不了那我跟你講那這樣子我們努力擠200億啦刪中央啦400億刪地方啦或是400億刪中央啦200億刪地方啦齁我都覺得你還有那麼一丁點的公道你不是啊你不想當魔術師你叫陳其邁當魔術師啊636億全部刪給地方啊 |
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667.017 |
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我們已經刪了1430億而且被凍結1400多億裡面1400億是台電的補助而且當時被指名項目而且台電的該不該撥補我們大家另外的辯論題另外剩下是我們每天逐條逐條說哪些預算該刪的你又混同一談統刪部分行政院自行調整總共多少 |
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696.013 |
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而且被凍結一千多億桶山部分行政凍結幾乎都解凍了你到底要不要翻篇啊當時沒有我看現在都解凍了嘛你要不要翻篇啊那沒關係當時現在都解凍了啊來 今天的卓榮泰你要不要公開跟大家講6361立刻還給地方政府你都講解凍了啊時空一變啊所以現在我們需要能夠回復這個追加預算我們就能夠跟地方你不要追加預算是另外一回事我回頭跟你講 |
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你就是已經講清楚6361統三是全部刪地方你就刪一塊錢把行政院刪掉我都還要進行一塊錢的公道你全部都刪地方你今天可以告訴我來你拍胸脯告訴大家你剩下這兩兆九千億沒有一毛錢是浪費的你敢拍出胸脯嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
所以你一塊錢都不願意刪我們會用準結的方式來進行來來來我看你 看你怎麼準結你那麼有自信 沒有浪費準結王宏威介入大資 獨資資本十萬元公司文化部111年 114年給了他一千多萬證交所又給了他一千萬 加起來就兩千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
741.82 |
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757.895 |
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深圳獨立的音樂人不當側翼的音樂人能拿到你行政院20萬都了不起你給個側翼2000萬你跟我講沒有浪費錢這個部分文化部已經解釋過了文化部解釋過啊來 給社會大眾看看啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
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773.507 |
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你去看看那些真的苦哈哈的獨立音樂製作人看到這一個做影片攻擊在野黨的大資拿兩千萬你跟我講你沒有浪費你說的出口讓人民去聽不聽得下去再來大資投桃報李啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
797.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
罷免期間做影片修理在野黨啊如果民進黨政府你不要拿人民的納稅錢去養側翼這兩千萬就省下來了你的636億你就有兩千萬你不要去砍地方政府那我想請問你不去檢討這些側翼的錢你刪了一方性補助款你知道刪掉什麼錢嗎你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
800.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
821.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
兒童、老年、少年身心障礙的福利經費教育經費、人本交通、人行道改善、道路交通改善你刪的都叫救命錢啊這裡面有900億的證據裁員的部分因為地方政府已經我講6361你不要跟我扯到別的地方去所以我們真的刪減是一般性的補助啊刪一般性補助還沒有刪到 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
821.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
829.318 |
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福利沒有算到交通建設沒有算到教育那裡面有900億的 900億的爭域我問你這633億不要再跳針沒關係我告訴你你這個光交通經費是攸關人命 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
836.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
864.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
你今天為了養大隻你一毛錢不肯去刪你去全部刪一個地方大隻是一回事來我們沒有去養任何的零日供給2022到2024年就業安定基金可以拿到2800萬的補助然後呢包括九把刀他的國片輔導金幾千萬幾千萬拿加起來起碼超過6000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
866.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
884.606 |
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結果呢 大罷免很乖啊 這些人都出來跳出來挺大罷免啊政府的合法法要滿滿啊我回頭最後一句話 時間也不多啦今天你真的是一個公道的院長齁我告訴你你636億齁 你不會全部刪地方啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
885.373 |
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你不要跟我講行政院沒有一毛錢值得檢討你就算只刪行政院一塊錢我都還覺得你有檢討一塊錢行政院現在還有五億被凍結不是啊五億啊兩兆九千億跟我講五億凍結行政院還有五億被凍結兩兆九千億跟我講五億凍結你不檢討一下這五億為什麼被凍結我講六三六億你講五億 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
909.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
919.352 |
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我們還有無意被動 沒關係我知道啦你答不出來一直轉焦點可是我告訴你 你可以不用理我啦25比0就是因為今天你們行政院這種蠻憨的態度25比0啦 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝羅志強委員的資訊 |