| IVOD_ID |
163548 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163548 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-19T11:35:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-19T11:51:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/906c3280ae286f115e93a9c4168f0e8518ad07c9952a2a53b46f6c52be1949150911e5930497b7265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐富癸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:25 - 11:51:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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謝謝主席 有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備選 |
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徐文豪 院長好 院長辛苦大家辛苦 各位院長我想今天再度邀請您到立法院來做這個專案報告我想您應該是百感交集但是應該有萬般無奈因為也是要來面對這樣的一個困境極力說明清楚是是 那我想我們還是要回顧還原一下這個一年多來的狀況 |
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我想這個院長上任之後我想立法院的狀況您也非常的清楚啦尤其這個我們國民黨跟民眾黨的立委殺紅了眼不管是在委員會也好甚至院會好像在那個砍預算比賽一樣這個國民黨砍完之後砍不夠民眾黨接著一直砍所以我想包含我們這個刪除的預算高達兩千零七十五億凍結預算也高達一千三百多億 |
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都創下歷史的新高面對這樣一個困境甚至還要求行政院要自行刪減這個636億調整的部分我想面對這樣一個困境 |
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放毒的也是他們現在該毒的還要叫你來解毒找解放我想對行政團隊非常的不公平但是我想這樣的一個狀況不僅我們的重大建設受到影響受困受難的也是我們的百姓我想針對這樣一個狀況屏東縣也是首當其衝在這邊我想我還是要跟幫我們屏東的鄉親甚至我們屏東努力的屏東縣政府來說幾句話所以院長 |
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針對目前的這個狀況您自己有什麼樣的感想非常感謝委員的理解這個困難不僅在中央各部會我認為也會連續的影響到地方各種的這個補助環象但是所謂補助是當地方有重大建設或是財政力量比較差的我們與補助 |
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從來沒有一個規定說補助要補助到百分之百或是補助到一個額度所以我們是濁於補助那在這個情況底下我們衡量中央政府的財政目前剛剛形容的水庫的水都被抽光了我們只有濁減地方的補助但對那些財政狀況較差的我們還是極力的讓他不要發生困難這個是最高原則 |
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院長我想您也非常清楚這個六都跟非六都整個財政結構是相當的不同這些有的這個執政藍營的執政縣市得了便宜還賣乖甚至比院會還跟你槓上在講這些財化法我認為都非常非常的對我們行政團隊不公平像我們非六都來講這個我們原本的自由財源就少了尤其像屏東大家我們都是農業縣讓我們的工商業比較不發達 |
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所以我們也很努力在爭取這個一般性補助跟計劃型的補助也是希望讓屏東能夠發展能夠讓這個各行各業都有一定的一個穩定的一個力量那面對這樣一個困境我想不只是這個這一次的預算屏東縣被砍了52億我想是這個首當其衝甚至我們也擔心明年的財化法我們也是非六都 |
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受補助成長最少的一個縣市我想這樣子的一個衝擊對我們整個屏東縣的財政也好重大交通建設這個整個預算執行社會福利也好我們面臨很大的一個挑戰跟壓力院長我想您這段期間你也常常來屏東啦你也關心我們農業的一個狀況甚至我們工商業的一個發展 |
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甚至你也主持了我們交通建設的一個勘察我想屏東一直在持續的向前推進當中也需要我們省政府大力的支持院長講過一句話只要機器行政年你就會支持這個地方政府我想這句話我們都放在心裡面都非常的感動院長這句話會不會因為目前的困境受到影響我是說支持中央政策的我們一定要跟他保持高度的合作 |
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那對中央政策有不同意見的我們盡量去說服他們我今天就是用這樣的一個追加預算的方式來拜託請這個刪減預算之後造成困難讓大家了解請立法院能夠同意一起從中央政策共同來出發來協助地方那當中我想委員過去到現在我知道一直很支持中央的預算中央的政策各方面 |
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那我們不需要花太多時間來討論我們只要花更多的時間討論說我們這些給地方的補助當中我們如何去執行就好所以分階段今天是希望說水回到大水庫那跟委員討論的是留給地方的水我們怎麼樣去到該有水的地方去這兩個層次是不一樣的我想面對一個認真的一個努力的一個縣市政府我想院長應該會大力來支持尤其過去 |
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從我們潘孟安秘書長當任縣長到現在周村民縣長院長只要來到屏東看了屏東的現象應該都讓你驚豔啦我們用最少的預算但是我們做最大的一個效益我想這是人民有感的一個施政的一個成果 |
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但是我也很無奈我們一律用25%的比例來篩檢也是很無奈這也表示說我們這個地方其實是放在同樣的天平上來看的只是說現在跟原來支持的我們是跟他討論說如何去執行 |
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但現在請求更多的委員是希望能夠把中央的預算能夠補回來我們就能夠如數如期的來協助院長你現在提出了838億的一個案子嘛當然希望大家可以來集齊嘛因為尤其這個我想這個我們整個尤其屏東縣政府 |
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一連串也提出了很多包含這個道路橋樑的一個改建包含校園環境的一個運動設施的改建甚至最重要你現在掃紙化我們針對公托的部分還有我們照顧老人家我們衛生所的改建計畫我們現在都還在我們相關的部會我們不希望因為預算的減少這些照顧百姓的一些政策受到影響我想也要麻煩院長給屏東最大力的支持院長這都不是很大的錢 |
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但是對屏東市非常非常的重要但是我想當然大水庫裡面我們都支持但是應該要針對足以需求的項目我們再來做盤點來給予最大最有力的一個支持好不好院長 |
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是 我知道中央跟地方現在都陷入到這樣的困難那我們共同來解決所以行政院提出的這個解決的方法我一直想到這是現在唯一也是必須要做的那就能夠及時的來化解這樣的中央跟地方共同在財政在預算執行上面的困窘 |
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所以院長我還是要提醒就是說這個我們賴總統講的嘛這個我們均衡台灣的一個理念過去我們希望把這個重北青南不均衡的狀況要有所調整但是我也擔心目前依藍白阿拔的這個態度他們現在予取予求什麼都是他們要分好的我們這個非六都這個比較偏遠的地方我們就只能大概去分一些比較不重要的東西我覺得這對我們是 |
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不盡公平也情何以堪尤其我們也擔心未來會不會因為這樣子又走回重北侵染的一個狀況軍人台灣一直是總統要求行政院全力去執行的現在包括我們想追加的這筆追加預算以及明年中央政府總預算我們在非常受到嚴控的 |
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原則底下因為真的是財政收入發放法拿掉中央太多的錢我們很多項目都無法由中央單獨來負擔我們要嘛跟地方共同調整分擔的比例 |
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要嘛就要延長整個工程進行的時間這個會對地方造成很大的影響是沒有錯但是我們還是在盡量的用最精密的一個算法來把這個傷害把它縮到最小讓各地方所影響能夠稍微平均一點比較財政好的地方希望他們自己獨立自主多一點財政差的地方中央資助更多的像我們現在已經把台灣分做五個等級的財政級距 |
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那最第五級第四級的我們當然要給予更多的協助這樣才能把它拉平均衡台灣的軍事我想除了這個財政的一個劃分之外那我們也比較擔心就是 |
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過去市權分配的中央擁中央的權責地方政府有地方政府執行的量能但是隨著財化法調整之後我們過去財化法我們一直在討論均衡的狀況 |
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那中央會不會因為這樣的一個重新調整了之後把很多的事權下放到地方但是相對性我跟我們原民會的主委一樣我們都來服務在屏東縣政府服務過我們都很清楚地方政府的這個人力也好這個整個量能也好真的有些事情是不見得能夠做得那麼如意啦一定需要中央大力來支持尤其這個整個這個重大建設也好還有甚至我這個前上一次我特別請院長要幫忙我們從上游中游下游 |
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整個治山防洪整個區域治理治水的一個計畫我們都需要整個一條邊的一個處理從中央跟地方大家來合作那是不是這個機制會因為明年的財化法重新調整過會有所影響 |
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其實要調整討論財化法之前應該跟地方制度的精神要一致屬於地方自治事項地方應辦事項要地方自己來承擔中央只是做財力的分佈上比較差的做協助所以剛剛有一個比例剛剛委員提到過去 |
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中央60%的財政 地方40%但列裡面包括了11%的省政府當時省政府的業務現在都移撥給中央了但又把它回復做6比4之分就表示這11是前 |
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邊在地方 事情邊在中央就失衡了但是我們現在衡量整個來看就像我們現在經濟部所提出的4年1000億的縣市館河川的改善計畫過去我們都做的是中央做的是中央館河川對縣市館河川其實是地方該做的 |
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但我們看到這樣解決不了問題很多末端跟源頭地方管的一些野溪、縣市管河川還是有問題所以我們還是願意編在編的過程如果中央真的在4年內要籌出1000億有困難我們還是要跟地方談也許我們有一個適當的比例地方也負擔一些 中央也負擔一些用4年1000億把它源頭跟末端給它做好這樣才能共同解決問題 |
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691.754 |
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716.553 |
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萬一中央政府真的財政有困難不行這個事情也做不了我們還在做這樣的努力跟規劃我很贊成你的這個看法不過就是我也擔心這個在野黨能不能去真的支持這樣的一個立場然後甚至到時候在這個整個這個我們提出相關的案子的時候還會把你卡關了我也很擔心這個東西但是每個委員一聽到治水都說全力支持我也希望這是我們共同的信念 |
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717.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
746.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我想院長最近一萬塊的事件甚至我看藍白提出軍人志願役的加急甚至針對禁法補償這一連串我想他們思考的當然是名為照顧我們鄉親但是我看到的是他們應該是行政策買標之實未來我們也擔心會不會一連串這樣的一個政策不斷地推出來 |
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747.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
751.064 |
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企圖讓行政院要買單院長 你擔心這樣的狀況嗎普發現金經過風災之後面對關稅的衝擊再經過大院很多朝委黨團各委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
760.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
784.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
特別表示不同的聲音以及黨團的意見我們都聽到了我們也看到這個普發先進2350億的編列加到這個任性特別條例裡面來這原來對憲法局預算精神是完全違背的但是我們看到大家的聲音我們認為第一個如果因此而讓我們的產業支持的預算沒辦法通過 |
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785.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
801.133 |
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照顧民生變化通過還有國土任性變化通過將是國家整個的停頓下來所以我們願意朝這個方向來調整所以我們提出了修正任性條例我也希望任性條例大家能夠平心靜氣合理的來談 |
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801.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
831.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
第一個解決了各項大家爭議的預算都能夠執行第二個化解了讓所有的憲政危機憲政秩序能夠恢復正常第三個時間上我們能夠盡快的來執行所有委員關心的問題以及國人所期待的在三個理由之下我懇請大院能夠將任性特別條例的修正考案能夠緊速的放入議程討論我們快快的邊依據來邊據邊立這個特別預算那就可以進一步來推動 |
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832.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
860.671 |
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我想這是一個很好的開始希望能夠朝野來支持那針對明年度的總預算你會擔心明年的編列會出狀況嗎有今年的經驗我認為朝野各黨團在協商的過程一定會更精密一點行政院會主動涉入介入這個協商我們會主動涉入提出我們應該有的講法跟我們的期待以及兩院應該有的良性互動 |
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861.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
887.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
但是我也擔心這樣的能頭請骨的一個模式會歷史重演甚至在這個你準備要開始編列明年度的預算了災黨會端出什麼樣的菜要求行政院要買單我想院長跟團隊要做好準備在今年整個社會氛圍底下我們只有抱著樂觀跟期待才能往下走如果省運明年度的預算又重複今年的覆測 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
888.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
908.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那表示這個社會的進步有限表現人民的聲音還是沒有被強烈的傳達出來還有行政院一直希望依照憲法依照預算法這個最終極的目標還是沒有被尊重這絕非現在兩院互動應該有的模式院長我記得你前幾天有提出這個針對我們這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
911.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
933.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
沿海地區跟地化地區一個電能地下化的一個概念要推動那因為我剛好昨天我從這個平和公路下到恆春也去看了幾個淹水的地方那沿路上我就想到我們蘇貞昌前院長這個也是他在任內的一個推動所以從去年的風災三坨到今年風災這個平和公路恆春半島都沒有發生停電的一個狀況好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
941.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
941.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
好 謝謝 |