| IVOD_ID |
163543 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163543 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-15T15:52:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-15T16:07:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/feafe23bd7168de6f2eb6d3f9953f83918cf3659852ed2502cb3399e5ac538313fb8e3d700d2a5af5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:52:03 - 16:07:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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謝謝院會主席楊群發言首先來邀請卓院長再請卓院長備詢 |
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多将近5亿当然比6月份少了一点点少了一成左右所以我们认为到目前为止我们的拦阻金额虽然有到13亿但是跟全国诈骗财损的部分85亿以上还是差距很大尤其我们从打诈仪表板的上面我们来看历史112年是89亿 |
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他是37,823件113年是502億他的案件是122,805件那114年今年的1月到7月份他總共有10萬件105,311件 |
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所以本席要再請教七月份裡頭我們看到到底是為什麼會有這樣的一個社會現象產生那七月份涉及網路媒體詐騙的我們當然也努力下架了很多但是詐騙的內容它仍舊在平台裡頭層出不窮 |
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那换句话说显示政府你在行动方面我们还有很大的讨论空间也就是还没有有效的可以去压制这些的犯罪虚拟货币 |
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這一個必傷的一個交易網路平台跟通訊軟體他認就是三不管地帶這三方如果沒有有效的來做管理那麼我們打架國家隊呢當然這個成績是得不到民眾的一個信任的所以本席首先提出這樣子的一個背景本來關於給你也就是請教 |
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打詐國家隊運作了將近一年那麼我們為什麼案件跟金額他是不減反增那麼跨境詐騙外交的跟司法的合作我們有什麼精進的方案請說明 |
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我們剛剛說所謂統計數字的不同是從去年的8月之前跟8月之後依照它發生我們採取的太陽不同以前是以一個犯罪行為人一個案件來處理後來我們改變是 |
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一個犯罪行為人騙了十個人就會有十個案件這樣的方式來處理所以數量會有所改變但是本席告訴跟卓院長分享你即使把一件或者是一件拆成十件這些的數字實際上我們民眾對於詐騙非常的恐慌所以我們討論這個數字是沒有意義的我們要聽到方案 |
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跟聽到您的經濟這是我們內控上一個考核的機制啦那剛剛你有說到網路平台啦 通訊軟體啦以及這個虛擬貨幣我們在這個數位的網路平台上面現在我們已經要求這四大的平台Meta、IG、Google還有YouTube再加上Trade五個平台Trade在九月份也會要求它落地管理實名制這樣會有助於我們對一些九月份是下個月嗎 |
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對其他都有了全面4個都有了就是TRADE這個部分會在9月份要求他也要照我們新的打炸心法裡面所規定要在這裡落地實名制定在的時間請TRADE要在9月份的時候也要強制執行制他必須接受我們的管制那麼另外就是虛擬貨幣這個我們現在當然他的成效比較不明顯因為他到底是一個很新興的一個取代一個貨幣的一個行為但是接著我們這個金管會會從 |
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貨幣發行幣商服務幣商的這個管理讓他成為一個公會讓他納入我們公會的管理之後納入公會的管理從根源來管理 是否這個解讀正確嗎納入公會的管理 |
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從根本來解決我們會他成為一個工會讓他在裡面第一個是要自律 第二我們用法律上來管理再請這個彭主任來做說明我想剛有關那個虛擬資產的先跟委員說明一下我們那個專法在6月27號已經送進行政院在審議中現在已經在加緊審議中 |
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在我們去年11月30號通過了這個登記制以後呢可以行者這部分是我們第一步的管理剛剛院長有提到就是說我們組工會的部分他們我們把就現在所有的VASP就是虛擬資產業者的工會現在已經開始運作了像比如最近呢我們在5月的時候請問你們這樣的方案要什麼樣什麼時間可以承行因為民眾苦不堪言 |
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其實我們現在的你們有方法給予肯定但是你要告訴我們答案你們一定有你們的KPI你什麼時候公會他可以成行我們政府可以管控去年已經成立已經開始運作像比如說在跟委員報告我們今天5月就看到現金交易的問題我們就直接把現金禁掉所以我們在這一部分我們把這個就做得很有效納管這是其中一個措施 |
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接下來比如說我們對於所有虛擬資產業者的管控我們從原來最高的26到現在的話我們大概只剩下14家因為對不合規的我們全部把它淘汰掉 |
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院長您聽到你的單位主管說是非常有效的管控但是本席告訴你我們在坊間聽到的不一樣的一個方向所以本席剛剛所說的虛擬貨幣我們的幣商交易以及網路平台通訊軟體這三不管地帶你們必須好好的去整合因此我要告訴你 |
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鎖法合法的業者納入工會但是我們還有一些非常不鎖法的在網路世界 怎麼辦呢 你是政府啊當然要加強這個部分當然要加強這個部分當然要加強 怎麼加強呢當然要加強 怎麼加強呢我們民眾苦不堪言 |
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已經在做 你好好去經濟好不好也把時間點給我們好不好接下來我要告訴你因為在這個國家政策研究基金會裡頭給你的一個民調也就是在政府打詐司法跟青年方面的44.8%的民眾是認為我們對於打擊詐騙是表示不滿的 |
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那其中還有一個更重要的因子也就是50到69歲的族群他是感受最深在這樣的情況之下本席要請教要請教院長就是打詐的成效那這個案件跟金額他是雙雙惡化所以民眾會恐慌那所以本席要請教的就是說那打詐呢 詐團他有恃無恐 |
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那你主謀銷完法外 金流跟跨境的鏈結你沒有去把它破解那當然民眾是沒有辦法求償所以你們不斷的在宣導說所謂的市詐 賭詐 房詐 主詐 以及懲詐但到目前為止 似乎它的成效是不足以去壓制這些犯罪者的行為所以在這邊本席要特別要告訴你一點也就是你跨部會 |
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跨部會本來你們從打造辦公室然後改制為指揮中心從去年的8月27號你的指揮中心但是你跨部會的整合你滿意嗎院長你滿意嗎 |
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他們逐步在推動是各種的事務逐步的在推動我們已經一年了人員的部分我們會適度的加強人員部分要適度加強表示你也不滿意嘛提到剛剛法治化的問題也是我們現在在想的方式如何提升它的效率這是一年指揮中心正式成立一年之後院長你告訴我們的 |
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我們也民眾是苦不堪言的情況之下我們希望政府有方法能夠保護民眾所以本席具體建議跨部會的協調是失靈的因為金管會 NCC 警政 移民 外交它各自為政嘛 |
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他沒有共享資源沒有共享資訊所以他當然沒有辦法有一個美好的成果一個成效出來所以本席要特別請教未來在整個跨部會的一個戰核資源裡頭你要怎麼做我覺得本席希望聽到這個部分請說明 |
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我們現在打造指揮中心有新的指揮官他全力的在做這些內部的管控問題那麼我們的165專線將來會做更多的 |
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平行的整合如果我們有一天這個165跟打炸這個把它法制化之後會更進一步符合剛剛委員所說的165法制化什麼時候要法制化我們就朝這個方向什麼時候請教 請教院長那剛剛我已經指示內政部盡快就近期的對這些人員的一些鼓勵方面近期擬定一個方法出來那麼把它法制化的過程現在也提出一個方式我們正在審議中正在考慮當中 |
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正在考慮跟審議當中 你要盡快要盡快 你有沒有你的指標預計在什麼時候可以成行我已經指示內政部 請內政部盡快來提出一個方案內政部有時間點嗎可以告訴我們民眾嗎 |
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我們不能讓這個空窗期這麼長啊不會 我知道大家都非常的殷切期盼所以我這個會請內政部儘速完成儘速完成所以現在沒有辦法時間告訴我們法制化必須要有一個過程所以你也把這個繳成 |
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可以同步進行的 同步進行盡快告訴我們盡快讓民眾可以安心我們拭目以待同時我要給院長說明的打仗司法的時候包括了科技偵查當時我們不分藍綠白一起好好的幫助這個國家能夠讓人民安心所以甚至在整個科技偵查裡頭大家努力的協商終於也放在刑事訴訟法裡頭的專章裡頭 |
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甚至本席所提案的我們的洗錢防治法15條之一之二也就是事先將這些你沒有理由的在蒐集這些帳號那你就要出動了我們用法讓執行者有所依歸有能夠有成效 |
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這個是大家努力的能夠希望將這個成軍讓民眾可以安心可以打擊這些詐騙這是大家一起努力的我們一起努力通過這個打詐司法的時候這個狀況稍微有一點穩住沒有這樣急需的變化 變壞 |
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院長你講這個就是你真的要加油因為打詐司法之前跟之後我告訴你我們被詐的數字金額是增加的所以你好好的去檢討這一塊接下來本席要告訴你也就是這個假釋的詐欺犯他能夠假釋出來詐騙了300萬他也約與你政府只苛扣了這個7200萬要賺錢的找我這可以嗎 |
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請教這可以嗎這剛剛說這可以嗎已經移送雲林地檢數了這可以嗎在8月10幾號已經移送這個案子已經移送雲林當然這個行為絕對不可取行為不可取而且我們要杜絕就是要對這個案子速查速辦對他已經移送院長你這樣就對了速查速辦不可以這樣子囂張啊他已經移送了還可以如此的囂張因為你政府絕對不行 |
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挑釁我們民眾 這不行的臺灣是一個溫暖的國家是一個安定的國家不容許如此 恕神恕敗 是不是再接下來假冒公務人員我們不斷的也要宣導但是剛才本席說到的50到69歲的人是對於打仗他不安心的 |
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感受最深所以因此也有詐騙的他現在已經是高度的組織化了高度的組織化所以他鎖定什麼高年齡層高年齡層所以政府對於我們這樣子的高年齡層你有什麼方案比如說本席提出的你的電信異常偵測還有你的家屬通知這個都必須在第一時間我們至少還可以防堵 |
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院長對於高年齡層這麼受害你認為我們有什麼經濟方案我們對於青年退休的族群以及一些特定的族群我們都把它當作一個最容易受到詐騙的退休的族群我們把它當作一個最容易受到詐騙集團去引誘的一些對象所以我們用 |
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科技的方式來分析把這些族群找出來之後我們現在已經是用至少用一些簡訊通知告訴他們有一些詐騙的行為要他們能夠知道這個現境你不要輕易的進入同時也對這些 |
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行為的這個潛在的被害人我們透過AI的方式 科技的方式把他們找出來給他們施予更多的視乍的教育的都有這麼多的方式但是你的成效是不髒的這表示我們的方法還有精進的 |
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這個空間絕對是所以本席具體建議您在下個會期請提出具體的防詐騙的政策目標明確的告知各部會你們的行政你們的行動分工到底要怎麼分工必須要明確讓 |
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民眾對於我們檢警調以及我們的政府他是有信任的而且本家要求必須對於我們長者的宣導必須要擴大你能夠做得到嗎好的 我們會提出一套完整的方式我請內政部來主辦跟法務部來協辦好 謝謝謝謝楊承英委員資訊謝謝卓院長備詢 |