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| 會議時間 |
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| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第21次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於外交部主管收支公開及機密部分。（處理）） |
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報告委員會數席委員5人已租法定人數開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第20次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國113年12月4日星期三上午9時至12時12月5日星期四上午9時2分至11時53分地點紅樓山林議會議室出席委員王逸川等11人、逆襲委員葛如軍等18人、逆襲人員12月4日國家安全局局長蔡明彥及所屬人員 |
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行政院主席總處專門委員廖玉琳12月5日國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發及所屬人員行政院主席總處專門委員邱碧珠主席12月4日王昭吉委員定與12月5日林昭吉委員役軍12月4日星期三報告事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定討論事項繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家安全局收支公開及機密部分處理 |
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決議一公開部分審查結果稅務部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第78項國防部所屬國家安全局部分972,000元照列第三款規費收入第63項國防部所屬國家安全局部分32,000元照列第四款財產收入第89項國防部所屬國家安全局部分153,000元照列 |
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第7款其他收入第88項國防部所屬國家安全局部分878萬元照列稅出部分第9款第二項國防部所屬國家安全局部分第二幕情報行政不含機密部分原列10億8304萬8千元檢列行政管理向下業務費100萬元含物品50萬元設施及機械設備 |
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本項通過決議31項 |
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2.機密部分審查結果秘略3.114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家安全局收支公開及機密部分。審查完均。審查結果送財政委員會會診後提報院會。不需交由黨團協商。院會討論時由網周級委員定語出席說明。4.有關委員提案內容文字及金額在不影響提案原意下授權議事人員修正處理。12月5日星期四討論事項 |
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繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分處理決議依審查結果稅入部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第220項國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會289萬7千元照列第三款歸費收入第178項國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會2億8813萬4千元照列 |
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第4款財產收入第231項國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會 原列1010萬元 增列第一幕財產支息 第三節租金收入100萬元 其餘均造列 改列為1110萬元第7款其他收入 第233項國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會 4亿8612萬元 造列 |
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稅出部分第25款國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會主管第一項國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會原列1309億9849萬7千元檢列第6目榮民醫療照護向下各級榮民醫院管理營運督導管理40萬元科目製型調整其餘軍造列改列為1309億9809萬7千元本項通過決議69項 |
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214年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會收支部分審查完均審查結果送財政委員會會政後提報院會不須交由黨團協商院會討論時由您召集委員議均出席說明三有關委員提案內容文字及金額在不影響提案原意下授權議事人員修正處理宣讀完畢 |
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請問在場委員對上次議會議議事錄有無遺漏錯誤或需要更正之處謝謝議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀討論事項討論事項繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於外交部主管收支公開及機密部分宣讀完畢介紹在場的委員陳永康委員 |
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沈博洋委員徐巧欣委員介紹與會官員外交部部長林佳龍亞太司司長藍夏禮亞非司司長賀忠義歐洲司司長黃軍耀 |
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拉美師師長鄭麗成美美師副師長焦國佑條髮師副師長許伯義國主師副師長李冠德國河師師長連玉平國船師師長徐永梅 |
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聯社會主任張雅光李兵處處長陳欣欣秘書處副處長黃鴻慧人事處處長黃麗玲政風處處長余世民主計處處長李佩華 |
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支電處處長林啟文公眾會執行長劉永健NGO國際事務會執行長陳剛毅台日協秘書長范正國台美會秘書長邱高偉 |
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外交學院副院長陳文怡領務局局長何振環國和會副秘書長史立軍臺灣民主基金會執行長廖達祺 |
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PECC中文華民國委員會秘書長徐俊斌行政院主計總處科長傅惠欣經濟部人事處專門委員鄧惠怡農業部國際事務司檢任計政鍾明娟 |
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教育部國際及兩岸教育師檢任一等教育秘書曾進退府會服務照顧處檢任視察吳家昌文化部文化交流師專門委員劉玉芳 |
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勞動部綜合規劃師專門委員林永裕橋木委員會人事處主任楊智傑國科會科教發展及國際合作處科長李嘉魯河南安全委員會綜合規劃組檢任記者賴洪志 |
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交通部觀光署國際主專門委員秋崇榮財政部國際財政司科長李威龍經管會國際業務處科長黃耀白農業部漁業署遠洋漁業主科長賴怡汝 |
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衛生福利部國際合作組專員方語儀本日會議繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於外交部主管收支公開及機密部分今天進行提案處理先處理機密部分再處理公開部分 |
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請議事人員宣讀公開預算數及委員提案同時布置協商場地宣讀完畢後改進行秘密會議請各位委員及列席的官員經偵測掃描進入會場後直接於協商桌就座在宣讀機密預算數及提案後進行機密提案處理現在請宣讀公開部分 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案外交部主管收支公開部分一稅入部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第75項外交部135萬元第76項領事事務局無劣數第三款歸費收入第61項領事事務局36亿8千3百48萬5千元第4款財產收入第85項外交部2924萬1千元 |
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第86項領事事務局264000元第87項外交及國際事務學院100000元第7款其他收入第84項外交部42290萬元第85項領事事務局8768000元第86項外交及國際事務學院271000元 |
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二稅處部分第8款外交部主管不含機密部分第一項外交部284億6558萬5千元第一幕一般行政87億3205萬3千元第二幕外交管理業務2億5763萬7千元 |
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2485.864 |
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第3目注外機構業務35億3396萬1千元第4目國際會議及交流25億1716萬9千元第5目國際合作及關懷124億8089萬9千元第6目一般建築及設備8億7386萬6千元第7目第一預備金7千萬元 |
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第2項臨時事務局15億9117萬7千元 第1目一般行政3億0792萬2千元 第2目臨時事務管理12億8175萬5千元 第3目第一倍金150萬元 第3項外交及國際事務全員10363萬2千元 第1目一般行政8290萬元 |
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第二幕外交領事人員獎悉18577000元第三幕一般建築及設備203萬元第四幕第一倍金125000元現在宣讀委員之預算提案第一案稅入第四款第85項外交部財產收入逐金收入增列100萬元委員黃仁等人提案第二 |
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第二案稅出第八款第一項外交部檢列一百萬元凍結一百萬元委員林柱英等人提案第三案稅出第一幕能源維持人事費其他給予凍結百分之十委員徐曉新等人提案第四至第十七案系 |
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第1目基本行政工作維持之預算提案第4案業務費水電費凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第5案其他業務租金減列10萬元委員黃仁等提案第6案 |
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案日案件機資籌金檢列10萬元委員黃仁等提案第7案物品檢列50萬元委員馬文君等提案第8案物品檢列50萬元委員黃仁等提案第9案一般數費檢列100萬元動計165萬2000元委員林竺英等提案第10案一般數費檢列300萬元 |
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委員黃仁等提案第11案一般事務費凍結兩千萬元委員徐曉新等提案第12案一般事務費凍結兩百五十萬元委員馬文君等提案第13案房屋建築養物費凍結一百五十萬元委員馬文君等提案第14案房屋建築養物費凍結一千萬元委員黃仁等提案第15案房屋建築養物費凍結八百萬元委員黃仁等提案第16案設備及投資凍結兩百萬元 |
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委員馬文君等提案第17案機械設備費凍結10%委員黃仁等提案第18案至第21案系第一幕檔案處理之提案第18案凍結250萬元委員馬文君等提案第19案凍結200萬元委員黃仁等提案第20案水電費凍結50萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第21案一般數費凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等提案 |
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第22案自第29案系針對第一幕資訊處理之預算提案,第22案業務費凍結200萬元,委員陳永康等提案,第23案業務費凍結50%,委員林益君等提案,第24案業務費凍結20萬元,委員盧美玲等提案,第25案業務費凍結300萬元 |
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委員馬文君等提案第26案通訊費凍結100萬元委員王定宇等提案第27案資訊服務費凍結1000萬元委員黃仁等提案第28案資訊服務費凍結200萬元委員王定宇等提案第29案資訊服務費凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第30案第一幕臺美臺灣美國事務委員會事務管理業務費減裂120萬元委員馬文君等提案 |
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第31案第一幕桃園國際機場接待室基本行政維持凍結兩百萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第32案至第46案系第二幕基本行政工作維持之提案第32案檢列一千五百萬元委員黃仁等提案第33案凍結兩百萬元委員王定宇等提案第34案 |
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凍結300萬元委員陳永康等提案第35案業務費減列300萬元委員林儲英等提案第36案業務費凍結434萬元委員徐巧興等提案第37案為辦費減列200萬元為馬文君等提案第38案為辦費減列70萬元 |
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委員黃仁等提案第39案為半費凍結250萬元委員沈伯陽等提案第40案為半費凍結100萬元委員黃仁等提案第41案為半費凍結41萬元委員徐曉新等提案第42案一般事務費減列400萬元委員馬文君等提案第43案一般事務費減列100萬元 |
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2797.969 |
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委員黃仁等提案第44案一般事務費減列150萬元委員黃仁等提案第45案一般事務費凍結10%委員徐小新等提案第46案國外旅費凍結50%委員林益君等提案第47至49案第二幕各地區工作匯報之提案第47案凍結350萬元委員馬文君等提案 |
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第48案凍結200萬元委員黃仁等提案第49案業務費凍結30%委員徐巧欣等提案第50案第二幕外交領事人員進修業務費凍結100萬元委員王定宇等提案第51至第52案第二幕外交及國際法研究獎學金設置之提案第51案凍結50萬元委員馬文君等提案 |
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2845.053 |
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第52案凍結30萬元委員黃仁等提案第53案自第59案第二幕製作國情資料業務費提案第53案檢列300萬元委員馬文君等提案第54案凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等提案 |
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第55案約用人員籌金凍結150萬元委員馬文君等提案第56案一般事務費凍結350萬元委員馬文君等提案第57案一般事務費凍結100萬元委員黃仁等提案第58案一般事務費凍結500萬元委員徐巧興等提案第59案一般事務費凍結300萬元 |
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委員黃仁等提案第60案自第76案卸第三目 諸外使領單位基本行政工作維持之提案 第60案凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等提案 第61案凍結50萬元委員盧美琳等提案 第62案 |
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第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆 |
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第68案水電費減列一千萬元委員黃仁等提案第69案其他業務租金減列兩百四十萬元凍結百分之十委員徐巧興等提案第70案一般事務費減列四百萬元凍結百分之十委員徐巧興等提案第71案一般事務費凍結五百萬元委員馬文君等提案第72案一般事務費凍結一百萬元 |
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委員林竹英等提案第73案一般事務費凍結一百萬元委員陳永康等提案第74案房屋建築養物費減列兩千萬元委員黃仁等提案第75案車輛及辦公器具養物費減列三十萬三千元凍結百分之十委員徐曉新等提案第76案國外旅費減列八百萬元委員馬文君等提案第77案第三目駐位 |
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公關單位基本行政工作維持業務費凍結10%委員徐巧欣等提案第78案業務費凍結10%委員徐巧欣等提案第79案第三幕駐外河岸單位基本行政工作維持凍結13萬1千元委員徐巧欣等提案第80至第86案系第4幕參與國際組織之活動之提案 |
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第80案凍結1000萬元委員黃仁等提案第81案凍結300萬元委員徐巧欣等提案第82案業務費凍結10%委員徐巧欣等提案第83案一般事務費凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第84案一般事務費凍結400萬元委員馬文君等提案第85案一般事務費凍結50萬元 |
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3011.971 |
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委員陳冠廷等提案第86案講補助費凍結10%委員沈伯陽等提案第87至第88案第4目協助各種國際交流活動之提案第87案凍結10%委員林益君等提案第88案凍結 |
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3049.8 |
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一百五十萬元委員徐巧欣等提案第89案至第98案系第4目學術交流活動資提案第89案凍結百分之三十委員徐巧欣等提案第90案凍結兩百五十萬元委員黃仁等提案第91案凍結兩百萬元委員馬文君等提案第92案凍結百分之三十委員徐巧欣等提案第93案凍結一百萬元委員馬文君等提案 |
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第九十四案凍結一百萬元委員黃仁等提案,第九十五案業務費凍結一千三百八十三萬七千元委員徐巧興等提案,第九十六案凍結百分之三十委員徐巧興等提案,第九十七案凍結五百萬元委員黃仁等提案, |
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3095.761 |
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第98案動解兩百萬元委員馬文君等提案第99案至第114案系第4幕協助各種國際交流活動﹐文化交流活動之提案第99案動解百分之三十委員徐巧欣等提案第100案檢列兩百萬元動解兩百萬元委員馬文君等提案第101案動解百分之三十委員徐巧欣等提案第102案動解一百萬元委員黃仁等提案 |
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第103 案 凍結百分之三十委員薛曉新等提案第104 案 凍結三百萬元委員馬文君等提案第105 案 凍結百分之十委員黃仁等提案第106 案 凍結一百萬元委員陳貫廷等提案第107 案 凍結百分之三十委員薛曉新等提案第108 案 凍結一百二十萬元委員馬文君等提案第109 案 凍結一百萬元委員黃仁等提案 |
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第114案 凍結30%委員薛曉新等提案第111案 凍結100萬元委員馬文君等提案第112案 檢列100萬元委員馬文君等提案第113案 凍結100萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第114案 凍結10%委員黃仁等提案 |
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115-127案是針對第4幕協助各種國際交流活動、經貿交流活動之提案。115案凍結8%委員徐曉鑫等人提案。116案凍結100萬元馬文君等人提案。117案凍結100萬元委員黃仁等提案。118案 |
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業務費凍結10%委員習曉新等人提案。119案凍結100萬元馬文君等人提案。120案凍結100萬元委員黃仁等人提案。121案凍結100萬元馬文君委員馬文君等人提案。122案凍結150萬元委員馬文君等人提案。123案凍結10%委員陳冠廷等人提案。124案簡列100萬元 |
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3188.62 |
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動輒50萬元委員林柱英等人提案。125案動輒300萬元委員馬文君等人提案。126案動輒10%委員黃仁等人提案。127案 |
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動輒78萬3千元委員徐曉新等人提案128到140案系其他第4目其他協助各項國際交流活動之提案128案動輒10%委員徐曉新等人提案129動輒200萬元委員馬文君等人提案130案動輒500萬元委員馬文君等人提案131案動輒10%委員黃恩等人提案132案動輒100萬元委員徐曉新等人提案 |
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133案 减利100萬元 凍結100萬元委員馬文君等人提案134案 凍結10%委員徐曉新等人提案135案 凍結500萬元委員馬文君等人提案136案 一般事務費凍結10%委員王定宇等人提案137案 凍結50%林玉君等人提案138案 凍結10萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案139案 凍結5% |
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委員李林楚英等人提案。140案凍結100萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案。141案到142案系出國訪問之提案。141案檢列2000萬元委員馬文君等人提案。142案凍結300萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案。143到144案是第4幕訪兵接待之提案。143案凍結1500萬元委員馬文君等人提案。144案業務費檢列500萬元凍結500萬元委員林楚英等人提案。 |
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145案第5目國際合作及關懷凍結50萬元委員馬文委員羅美林等人提案146至156案是 |
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第5目注外技術服務制提案146案凍結50%委員林毅君等人提案147凍結5%徐曉新等人提案148凍結300萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案149凍結10%委員黃仁等人提案150凍結2000萬元委員黃仁等人提案151案凍結10%委員黃仁等人提案152凍結500萬元委員黃仁等人提案153 |
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委辦費凍結10%委員徐曉新等人提案154委辦費減列200萬元委員馬文君等人提案155委辦費凍結2000萬元委員馬文君等人提案156委辦費凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案157到178案基地五目加強雙邊及多邊合作 |
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157.動結50%委員林玉君158.動結200萬元委員王定宇159.動結30%委員徐小新160.動結50萬元委員陳冠廷 |
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對外資捐助凍結一千萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案。162對外資捐助凍結五十萬元委員羅美玲等人提案。163對外資捐助凍結百分之五十委員林玉君等人提案。160亞東太平洋司檢列四百萬元凍結四百萬元委員馬文君等人提案。165亞東太平洋司凍結百分之五委員徐小新等人提案。166亞西及非洲司檢列四百萬元凍結一千五百萬美元 |
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委員馬文君等人提案167（亞西及非洲斯凍結5%委員徐曉信等人提案168（亞西及非洲斯凍結3000萬元委員黃恩等人提案169（亞西及非洲斯凍結10%委員黃恩等人提案170（亞西及非洲斯凍結100萬元委員馬文君等人提案171（歐洲斯檢電300萬元凍結500萬元委員馬文君等人提案 |
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172歐洲斯凍結五百萬元委員黃仁等提案173歐洲斯獎補助費凍結三千四百六十二萬七千元委員徐小新等提案174拉丁及美洲及加勒比海斯凍結五百分之五委員徐小新等提案175拉丁及 |
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拉丁美洲及加勒比海斯凍結2000萬元委員馬文軍等提案176拉丁美洲及加勒比海斯凍結4億2350萬1千元委員徐曉信等提案177拉丁美洲及加勒比海斯凍結10%委員黃恩等提案178拉丁美洲及加勒比海斯凍結400萬元委員馬文軍等提案 |
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179至182案系第五目對國際之關懷救助及從建資提案第179案凍結兩千萬元委員黃仁等提案第180案凍結五百萬元委員徐巧興等提案第181案凍結百分之五委員徐巧興等提案第182案業務費凍結三千萬元委員馬文君等提案 |
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第一百八十三案至第一百八十八案系第六目一般建築及設備第一屆引進工程之提案第一百八十三案凍結三千萬元委員林楚英等提案第一百八十四案凍結百分之十委員徐巧欣等提案第一百八十五案凍結一千萬元委員馬文君等提案第一百八十六案凍結五百萬元委員黃仁等提案第一百八十七案 |
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顧建駐外機構管設凍結兩百萬元委員陳永康等提案第188案防護建築及設備凍結兩百萬元委員王定宇等提案第189案第六目駐外單位汰換公務車檢列六百五十七萬元凍結百分之十委員徐小新等提案第190案至第199案為主決議現在宣讀主決議之內容第190案 |
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114年度外交部預算案第二幕外交管理業務向下基本行政工作維持預算編列一億三千一百二十八萬九千元建於未來仍有諸多國際會議中國可能持續以各種手段打壓我國參與國際活動甚至透過錯假訊息進行不當操作建議外交部盡速研議並制定具體因應標準作業程序及應對機制 |
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確保我國利益免受侵害並事實向國際社會揭露中國不當行徑提案人委員林柱英等人第191案114年度中外交部預算案第4目國際會議及交流向下參與國際組織活動編列預算36944萬1千元 |
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3562.935 |
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3586.512 |
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建議外交部將推動我國加入IMF列為重大政策目標並會同中央銀行財政部及金融監督管理委員會等相關機關制定具體可行之策略以推動臺灣實質且有意義地參與國際組織進一步鞏固我國與國際經濟體系之地位增進國家利益提案委員林柱英等人 |
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3614.968 |
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第192案110年10月我國與立陶宛簽訂半導體合作瞭解備忘錄提供一千萬歐元協助立陶宛半導體產業的能力建構訓練然而日前立陶宛高科技園區開發案終止外交部已將相關經費交給工業技術研究院是否實成大海外交部將相關預算編列於114年度預算案第五目國際合作及關懷向下 |
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3643.515 |
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該項目金額一百二十四億八千零八十九萬九千元原件請外交部與一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告後使得動資提案人委員林毅君等人第193案截至一百一十三年七月抵止我國駐外管處共一百一十二處其中我國自由者計十九處自由比例僅百分之十六點九六而外交部至九十二年度推動駐外管設構建計劃 |
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3670.346 |
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超過20年以買代租到現在卻僅完成10處管設構建。114年度外交部預算案第6目一般建築及設備第一屆引進工程向下過建駐外機構管設編列預算8億3149萬6千元原件請外交部確實執行與一個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出執行書面與規劃報告書。提案人委員林毅君等人 |
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3671.803 |
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3697.325 |
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第194案臺美關係為我國外交重中之重為外交部面對美國新舊政府即將交接卻仍未見具體外交策略之應對作為恐不利我國對外交工作之推動以及既有互動框架之維繫原請外交部於一個月內將相關進度向立法院外交及國防委員會提出出面報告提案人委員王定宇等人 |
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3713.676 |
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第195案外交部114年度國際合作及關懷加強雙邊及多邊合作分支計劃向下編列3億4627萬2千元辦理斯洛伐克捷克民主任性及能力建構計劃與半導體人才培育獎學金外交部與中東歐半導體相關合作計劃仍應密切關注該合作對我國關鍵技術及產業之潛在影響並加強保護國科會 |
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3726.946 |
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3730.623 |
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經濟部及速發部等管轄之國家核心關鍵基礎 |
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3731.877 |
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3757.432 |
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技術必兼顧本國利益提案人委員王定宇等人第196案外交部2024年5月1日提供資資料近年外交部人員缺額逐漸增加恐使既有部內同仁負擔加重工作環境惡化超時加班成為常態外交部因與3個月內提出書面報告說明具體改善措施提案人委員王定宇等人第197案 |
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3759.366 |
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3774.454 |
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根據皮尤研究於2024年1月所作之民調顯示﹐海海情勢的關注度在美國年輕族群中有明顯較為低落的趨勢﹐云要求外交部推動在北美地區舉辦臺灣相關文化活動及對美 |
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3777.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3793.926 |
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加公眾外交時應留意美國民意調查之結果事實調整作為方法及目標以鞏固美國社會各方之支持提案人委員沈伯陽等人第198案114年度外交部預算案第5目 |
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3794.466 |
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3799.748 |
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國際合作及關懷向下注外技術服務編列預算10億7,935萬4千元．包括依國際合作發展基金會設置條例實施前支注外技術人員照顧辦法．對注外技術人員照顧所需經費24萬元．針對相關人士老年之經濟保障顯有不足．予以擴大照顧範圍．原件請外交部於3個月內． |
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3818.815 |
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3826.503 |
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就辦理早期住外技術人員福利之調整向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員沈伯陽等人 |
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3828.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3854.999 |
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第199案外交部以前年度稅入轉入數自106年度起逐年增加113年度達134億1261萬3千元為歷年新高分析自106年度起未結金金額與以前年度轉入數同步逐年增加顯見以前年度轉入數越高單位之執行負擔也隨之加重亦可能影響新年度之執行力非長久之計 |
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3855.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3876.423 |
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根據決算法第7條所定決算所列各項應收款應付款保留數準備與其年度中瞭解滿4年而仍未實現者可免於編列建議外交部應遵循決算法等相關規定早日結清並依規定繳回國庫提案人委員陳冠廷等人第200案 |
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3880.425 |
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3897.784 |
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稅入第3款第61項領事事務局規費收入增列5億元委員陳冠廷等提案第201案稅出第一幕基本行政工作維持業務費一般事務費減列100萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第202案至第205案 |
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3900.714 |
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3907.159 |
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第二目基本行政工作維持設備之投資提案第202案凍結50%委員林益君等提案第203案設備及投資凍結30萬元委員黃仁等提案第204案 |
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3917.688 |
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3921.832 |
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設備及投資凍結20萬元委員盧美琳等提案第205案設備及投資凍結10%委員陳冠廷等提案第206案第二幕應致申請證照表件及須知凍結10%委員陳冠廷等提案 |
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3936.425 |
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3945.351 |
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第207至第209案系第二目加強領悟服務工作資提案第207案檢列100萬元凍結100萬元委員林儲英等提案第208案業務費物品凍結10%委員陳冠廷等提案第209案一般事務費凍結10%委員陳冠廷等提案第210案至第219案系主決議現在宣讀 |
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主決議第210至第213案系主決議現在宣讀主決議之內容第213 主決議委員林儲殷等提案第211 主決議委馬文君等提案第212 主決議委馬文君等提案第213 主決議委陳貫廷等提案第214 第二幕外交領事人員講席 |
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3994.06 |
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4008.536 |
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動輒20%委員陳冠廷等提案第215案第二幕外交領事人員講習第一節外交領事人員訓練外交領事人員業務費動輒10萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第216案第二幕短期禁休 |
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4009.056 |
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4011.84 |
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專業訓練及國際交流支提案第216案業務費凍結15萬元委員林竹英等提案第217案第三幕汰換國內公務車凍結10%委員陳冠廷等提案第218案主決議 |
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4027.082 |
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4041.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
宣讀主決一致內容第218案近期發生多起中國利用外交場合進行錯假訊息散播資資訊戰事件我心敬外交人才應對中共資訊戰手法有所掌握方能對中共資資訊戰攻擊進行有所防範 |
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4044.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
4071.223 |
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委員要求外交部外交及國際事務學院與進行外交人員領事人員訓練時加入相關課程課程內容應應包含實例應處演練及未來可能情況之沙盤推演體驗人委員沈博洋等人第219案外交部外交及國際事務學院主要辦理外交部新進人員在職人員及跨部會社外事務人員之培訓課程 |
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4072.964 |
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4096.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
外交工作攸關國家主權與人民權益需要全方位之人才政府機關發生多起不適任不適格主管之事件引起社會高度關注建議外交學院應該把法律知識也納入中高階級公務人員訓練之學程必能提升文官之法學素養提案人委員陳冠廷等人宣讀完畢 |
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4100.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4101.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
現在趕進行秘密會議請醫事人員清場 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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5092.005 |
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5115.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
議員．．．． |
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5119.614 |
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5124.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
這個外交部有兩個案子也看能不能現在達成共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
5148.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
5154.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
對對對對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
5154.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
5155.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
第11可以嗎?可以嗎?第11可以可以謝謝委員 |
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5183.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
5194.972 |
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好好好謝謝謝謝委員會再回來很明顯的總統議員說這邊根本就有鬧出動書面好吧對對對好吧這就第三案第三動動150萬我跟你講因為這個法令的好在這裏發生一病 |
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議員．．． |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
5223.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
5224.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
國防委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
5247.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
5248.009 |
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委員會主席 |
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好 |
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來我們繼續開會現在開始處理提案之前先做幾個宣告外交部公開預算部分原則以分支計劃作為並案討論的依據是討論情形彈性處理如與提案委員溝通有共識請二要報告溝通結果及動三數委員若有其他的詢問再說明我們現在開始進行審查就先稅入部分第一案請外交部說明 |
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請黃仁委員 |
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這個主要是提醒外交部規劃辦理天母使館的一個專用區的一個閒置空間的運用那希望能夠外交部積極辦理 |
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主決議主決議主決議主決議主決議 |
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那其實主要是公眾會這邊增加2300萬那也跟提案委員林委員說明過就是說其實我們主要是我們不是在做文宣我們只是對內溝通那因為國人對於外交不是那麼直接相關所以我們這次規劃從 |
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經貿外交國際合作與交流包括員外的部分以及邦交國在臺灣的一些獎勵學金的學生在這邊的生活以及國際縣市以及外交科普能夠做有系統的跟國人做一個介紹那能夠就是能夠讓國人更瞭解外交的實質的內容那也希望委員能夠支持 |
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李處理委員我想提這個部分就是說有關於預算的使用那麼本席認為就是在必要的情況之下要適時的對外界說明所以我知道你們有來溝通包括那個等一下會有個72案的部分那麼我們就是到時候在72案的時候就是一併來動100萬 |
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好,謝謝委員好,那我們第二案就等72案的時候我們再並案一起處理好,接下來第三案請說明是,委員,各位委員好剛剛已經跟提案委員習曉新委員已經溝通過了他同意這個原來是凍結10%的那個部分他已經同意並機密案的凍150萬元以上,謝謝 |
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我們第三案徐巧興委員提案我們就秘密預算 |
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第4案到第17案請說明提案委員這個案子最主要是第一幕一般行政之基本行政工作維持提案委員有陳冠廷委員黃仁委員馬文君委員林鼠英委員 |
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徐巧興委員都已自委員辦公室說明而且提供書面資料跟親委員合併凍結兩百萬元提供書面資料耗時的凍支那剛剛徐巧興委員離開前他有就是說他不想要合併但是他同意凍結一百萬元一百五十萬元書面報告謝謝 |
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陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員 |
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還有沒有其他委員 |
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稍等稍等因為水電費是坦白講是時之時付啦就邊不夠你還是要付邊多了也不能多付啦所以我是覺得我們提這個案子是要求外交部在尊潔上提出精進方法金額倒不是重點那因為現在有委員因為我們慣例就是同項同個指科目的都合併在一起處理那如果每個個別都說我一定要個別的話我們把這個 |
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合併打散掉我們以後在審議中會有點麻煩我會建議是不是說這個案子可以把它拆兩群分別以徐曉勳委員當主題案跟陳冠廷委員當主題案但加總起來我是不是建議我們是不是凍結的數額這個兩個各100 |
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衛生委員 |
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我針對第五案、第六案、第八案因為這是要提醒外交部的一個注意財政的據例所以這三案可以一起處理皆可簡列為改動、改凍結那當然也先看委員先聽外交部和召委說法再決定凍結數或是是否併案那以上 |
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那5568案的話如果跟徐巧欣委員的這些其他的都凍結這樣 |
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第4案陳冠廷委員提案凍結100萬提書面報告之後要不要經同意陳冠廷委員 |
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並經同意使得動之第5案到第17案以徐巧興委員提案為主提案全部並案處理動結150萬提出書面報告之後並經同意使得動之接下來18到21案 |
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是18-21案我是自電處處長林啟文18-21案是有關於分支計畫03的檔案管理我們上週已經分別向馬文君馬委員黃仁煌委員還有陳冠廷陳委員說明希望委員能夠支持這項預算謝謝 |
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我針對19案的這個部分已經改成組結議了那當然目前北投的檔案大樓的進度若新大樓完成後那檔案這個搬遷預估的時間要多長你來說明一下好不好 |
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以上改成主決議 |
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動解分別20跟21是分別是50跟200萬那特別是針對你這邊說關於這個機密檔案你從這個94年10月1號未重新核定解除機密等等的我是說你這個東西為什麼要花那麼久的時間都還沒有辦法做完那你把一堆沒有解密的檔案那麼多然後又再再儲存起來然後花 |
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沒有秘就解啦就是講句白一點就是這樣然後花那麼多的預算然後在那邊恆溫來去儲存一些沒有必要的資訊老實說我是覺得這個是要檢討一下是跟委員報告一下我們這你問外交部的業務機密所以這個機密檔案的數量非常龐大事實上我們已經擬定計畫部長也特別指示我們要訂定KPI的指數然後每個月都要檢討另外呢我們也簡化流程 |
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然後我們也提供了標準作業程序所以我們相信應該可以很快的能夠完成跟委員報告相信很快的這94年到現在幾年所以我是希望是這個要盡快的復檢討那還一樣凍結那二十二十一案從外體委員你是並案凍結還是要分開分開一樣就照上面的分別是五十萬跟兩百萬好 |
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那我們從18案開始說明18案的話是馬文基委員因為不在我們就不處理然後19案的話是黃仁委員我們19案就改成主決議然後20案的話是陳冠廷委員提案凍結50萬提書面報告之後並經同意使得凍支然後21案 |
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陳冠廷委員提案凍結兩百萬提書面報告之後並經同意使得凍支好現在接下來22案到29案請說明第22案到29案都是分支計劃04的資訊處理我們上週已經分別向陳永康陳委員還有趙偉還有羅美玲委員馬文金委員還有黃仁煌委員 |
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羅北林委員謝謝主席雖然說外交部有說明說駐外管處因為受限於駐地電信的服務不得不使用中國這個廠牌之通的這個產品 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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外交部也都已經完成導入設備鑑別機制那預計明年會推動這個信任推動推斷機制那我在我想本心想這個外管的這個核心業務之一呢是公文的這傳遞這零信任架構跟外交部公文系統結合之後呢對外交部的機密資訊的保護力也會大幅的提升所以我想請教一下外交部有向我們外管的部分有沒有導入這個零信任架構請問一下 |
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所以你們也有導入這個架構就對了?對 |
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委員．． |
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在地只有中國道路資訊產品的服務外交部雖然對此採取了專案的管理但是還是要請說明專案管理只是管理而已嗎實際上還是使用具有風險的產品所以要如何防止可能的一個危害 |
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所以你們再做一個說明是,可以跟王委員做個說明事實上我們確實是有部分的管住受限於當地自通訊環境有一些必須要使用中國大陸他們一些的網路架構但是事實上我們所有外管,一百多個外管它的網路都是要,我們在台北都有監控 |
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通過我們的專屬的私有的管道我們臺北有個監控中心隨時的能夠掌握外管的這些網絡狀態另外我們在我們的監控中心也導入了這個資訊的一個EDR這個端點防護的部署的機制 |
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只要有任何的這個惡意的行為我們這個警訊就會觸動然後我們會第一時間做個處理另外呢我們還有一個就是很重要就是個自然的稽核稽查我們自然稽查大概分做四個部分第一個就是我們同仁每個月都要自我檢查第二個每個外館都有助力自安官的復檢第三個我們在區域自安官還會去再檢查一次第四個我們我們的部裡面會 |
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會籌組跨部會的資安集合或者見證團到外館去實地檢查另外還有一個教育訓練非常重要就是資安意識的提升是一個最基本的一個觀念所以我們會經常的辦理這個數位的課程還有提供這個一些的教材另外我們還不定期辦理社交工程電子的演練確保每位同仁都有具備相當足夠的資安意識以上說明 |
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王定宇召委 |
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當然我剛才聽你們的說明都是在理想狀態下那現在資安是一個產業資安也是影響國安以你們自己的稽查結果報告我們的外管資安稽查報告你們自己報告裡面就發現你剛才說要提高的資安意識部分人員自己去下載安裝沒有奉核的軟體或者呢他沒有那個概念他把自己的手機去插到 |
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管制的電腦上去充電或者是軟體的更新沒有適時的更新所以這個是叫做沒有資安紀律然後個人來講是沒有因應資安的能力另外我們某個管處具體哪一國我不講他的樓下是不是華為當地國的總部 |
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有沒有 有啦 這個要處理啊 這沒人知道所以我不點出哪一國 我們某一國的管處 我們租的那個大樓的樓下就是華為的總部的話 這個不是我們的錯 也許他後來的或怎麼樣 但是這是一個問題 因為那個整個大樓的那個cable輸出 |
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等於在共用那個部分那我們要專門拉一條線也未必安全所以我是說因應資安的高要求因為真正每一天在前線作戰的其實是外交部甚至於比國防部更險峻所以你們在各地我們外交部的同仁個人的資安意識跟資安紀律要提升因應資安的軟硬體該花的錢要花第三個我們的管處如果有資安疑慮的話 |
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你看美國為了蓋大使館是一磚一瓦人員全部都是從本土運過來那我們那個狀況我會建議部長那是在你接任前的事情這可能要做處理以上所以我兩個案一個是動100一個動200我可以同意把它動100然後我那個28案我可以把它來做主決議但這個事情非常小可我們希望外交部要正視 |
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不好意思我剛才趙偉講所以他是後來還是之前就在那邊這個很重要因為我們剛才講自然意識如果是之前就在那邊的話代表我們毫無意識所以這個是不是可以會後再跟我們講一講 |
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我提一個建議啊那個當然自然我們講是一個是內部保密第二是保密器啊第三個就是你所在的location我們的tech pro就在wisconsin那邊啊就每一次國安局來做過內部殺蟑螂啊做完了以後第二天你就看到那個美國的那個 |
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﹗ |
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我們那邊的Cable接到Venice下去後接到以色列接到新加坡接到中歐大使館然後直接美國全部控管我的建議是說如果你只要看到國安局來做過了抓蟑螂然後隔天AT&T或是那個電訊公司就在門口拿個柵欄在那個人孔蓋上下去幫你就修Cable修6個小時 |
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你請國安局的人再回來一次如果第三天發現他再來你就知道他在玩手腳那個門口那是非常明顯的就在我們那個以前領悟的那個前面那邊有個人孔蓋就是大使車子進去左邊你只要檢查完了他的車子就停在上面一個大的一個休旅車然後前後攔起來大概停6個鐘頭 |
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請大家注意一下 |
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現在的紅色供應鏈其實無所不在中共的駭客其實入侵非常的嚴重但駐外館雖然有辦理治安的稽查但是好像還是有發現人員還是有違規的使用的問題所以表示員工的訓練上面還是要加強對外交部要多屬於大部分的都是機密的資訊所以駭客如果攻擊常常會變成駭客攻擊的目標 |
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完整會議完整會議 |
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那我們22案陳永康委員的就改組決議然後23案 |
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23案除了20還有28案王定宇委員的改組決議然後23到29案我們就以王定宇委員提案的凍結100萬然後提出書面報告之後要不要經同意使得動之接下來30案請說 |
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三十案的話因為馬文君委員不在所以我們不處理三十一案請說明三十一案是第一幕一般行政桃園國際機場接待室基本行政維持提案委員是陳冠廷委員那我們有到委員的辦公室說明也提供相關書面資料肯金委員同意凍結兩百萬元提供書面資料後凍資謝謝 |
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同意凍結200萬 |
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陳冠廷委員提出書面報告後並經同意使得動之。接下來32案到46案外交部說明 |
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三十二案到四十六案呢是由公眾會這邊說明在場非常多的委員像黃恩委員王定宇委員跟陳永康委員林楚瑩委員都有提出關切我們今年編的多元媒體管道辦理公眾溝通這一案那我們編了兩千萬那陳儒我剛剛先前跟各位委員報告的 |
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其實我們主要是對外加強對內溝通因為其實國人對於我們這幾年的外交的一些表現成果其實並不是很能夠了解他除了從我們邦交國之外其實我們在其他方面像我們在經貿外交以及我們的國際合作像我們的國和會做了很多事情其實國內並不了解 |
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所以我們打算有一系列人能夠來向國人介紹我們的外交的表現我們外交的績效那我們這邊的這兩千萬那也希望能夠各委員支持 |
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委員是那個很多的議題本來就是已經在做了那你說這個增列了兩千多萬只是宣傳對象由外轉向對內根本沒必要額外再編列這麼多的預算原因是因為第一個你們的這個宣傳的主題而且所謂的多元管道 |
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多元管道應該要很細目的來說明所以這個部分我產生一點質疑所以改簡略為五百萬 |
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這個跟委員報告其實所謂的多元管道是因為我們現在國內的媒體環境非常的複雜除了傳統的平面媒體跟三家電子媒體之外現在的平面媒體跟電子媒體都非常的複雜然後網路媒體還有一些自媒體以及各個social media其實我們都是都是我們要溝通的對象所以我們今年編了這筆預算特別跟委員報告 |
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所以你說這個議題裡面的這個宣傳是等於本來過去是對外現在你們是對內大內先所以這個部分來講有沒有必要增加預算的2000萬所以今天我是產生一個質疑因為你們本來就應該都在做的嘛不管是網路現在AI也都在做了嘛好不好那所以改生簡略為500萬那由主席裁決好不好 |
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王定理召委王定理召委 |
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那很多年輕一代的小朋友現在英語啊外國語言都不錯所以這倒不是對內宣傳這是希望在內部瞭解我們台灣外交處境的困境然後大家可以都盡一份力像趙偉是藥師那藥師到外面去參加國際會議其實也是在幫助我們台灣在國際上被看見所以 |
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內政、外交其實是一體的所以本席是提凍結200那黃內衛也說的也對我們外交是要對外的工作那對內是整合力量一起對外那各個不同的平台、載台都要去運用所以我是不是建議這樣子因為他這個預算數才2380萬我看後面寫的元劣數2380 |
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我的本意不是說來阻止這些宣傳的部分 |
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因為外交部現在的困境在哪裡當然多一個對外的宣傳很重要那這樣子齁那能不能再多一點五十萬兩百五十萬好不好我減一百好不好兩百嗎好好那主委才是減一百動一百然後王一船委員 |
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因為這個預算叫上個年度增加了308萬是第一個那第二個就是到底增加是增加什麼啦你們是那個外交小尖兵名額變多還是有什麼會議固定幾年舉辦剛好遇到明年要辦這些內容要講清楚啦所以 |
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對啦 就是說 人家都是外交官嘛 要衝到很多外交官的 所以名額增加或者是有一些會議怎麼樣 這個因為你的預算書裡面沒有寫清楚啦 所以我是建議這樣啦 凍結一百萬啦 把這個細節講清楚來報告一下 細節講清楚 那就可以啦 這外交工作沒錢嘛 沒資料辦 |
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從32案由黃仁委員提案然後檢列100萬 |
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科目進行調整33案併到46案完整委員當主提案凍結100萬 |
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提書面報告時的動資還有外交部回覆的書面報告內容要請包括剛才並案委員的還有所詢問委員的所垂詢的部分要一併的答覆然後34案的話是陳永康委員的提案改成主決議好謝謝委員這邊剛剛習小溪有特別交付指示第幾案 |
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因為第36案包含45案有主席裁定但是一定是要凍結多寡由你來裁死好不好就是因為他自己本身有凍結預算36案這個部分然後還有45案所以是36案和40案是病案處理 |
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接下來47-49案請說明 |
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47案到49案是有關於外交部編列下一年度各地區工作匯報那在議後我們那個工作匯報從去年開始已經都恢復正常舉行今年度的幾乎都已經在舉行當中或已經舉行完畢那經過跟提案委員馬文君馬委員黃委員和徐小英徐委員 |
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分別到辦公室說明或者是送交書面資料之後建請改為主決議47案因為馬文君委員不在然後就不處理然後黃仁委員該主決議嗎48案黃仁的案全部撤案了 |
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48案環環委員提案改組決議 |
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對49案徐巧欣委員 |
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49 49案一般行政科目業務費 |
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好那這個是因為我們先前有提就是講到那個歐洲司司長的疑似職場霸凌事件那外交部雖然已經就是我有質詢過了可是呢目前我還沒有收到任何的就已經超過一個禮拜了所以沒有收到任何的這個調查報告所以呢在這邊的話我想 |
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我想我們卓宇49案我知道我們現在今天正在做調查而且跟委員報告我們的人數很多將近49個所以呢包括還有外管的所以我們的時間真的相對比較長一點所以我這邊的話呢就是原本的凍結金額那我這邊撿到100萬元好不好 |
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謝謝委員 |
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好那我再說明一下這47到49就是48黃仁委員的該組決議然後49案徐曉清委員提案凍結100萬提出書面報告之後並經同意時得凍支接下來50案請說明 |
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提案委員是王定宇委員那也是針對職場辦理好那50案王定宇召委的提案改組決議那51 52案請說明 |
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黃人委員最主要 |
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最主要是在辦理的獎學金的一些工作要考慮到它的效益本席不懷疑獲獎同學的論文品質但如果投件數太少很顯然的有足夠的一個鑑別度外交部藉此取得協界多元見解的一個效益也會降低好不好謝謝委員我們要改組決議謝謝所以改成組決議謝謝委員 |
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那52案就黃仁委員的提案改組決議接下來53到59案是53到59案由外交部的國傳司來做說明這幾個案子呢我們已經分別向陳冠廷委員黃仁委員徐巧欣委員以及馬文俊委員做說明那我們所有的這個國際文宣的製作呢包括影片還有一些期刊電子報 |
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謝謝委員 |
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副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副副 |
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所以我這邊原本是寫這個凍結500萬我們改成凍結200萬不知道這個外交部這邊能不能接受你們給我們這個書面報告說明預計的頻道跟計畫作為之後我們就可以動之了是跟委員報告好114年我們會根據明年 |
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7400.29 |
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我們再來訂定這個拍攝的主題所以明年才會知道那今年113年呢是特別配合新政府上任之後我們的部長在推動總和外交所以我們特別把這個經貿外交徒選出來然後來製作一個AI科技導的這個影片所以明年我們會看明年的主題我們再來設定目標然後會採取公開招標的方式來辦理 |
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請委員支持因為跟這個志秉頻道合作的門檻比較高所以希望不要凍結是讓我們能夠把這個業務能夠做好 |
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這個是沒有我我對於這個discovery啊然後跟那個國家地理頻道等等我是一點意見都沒有但是如果你們對於明年的計劃到現在都還沒有一個初步的構想的話那我就很難同意因為我們大家現在對於宣傳預算的費用是看得比較緊的這我相信大家都知道對所以雖然說你沒有辦法很確定說你跟哪一個頻道然後要做什麼樣的合作但我覺得都已經要審查明年度的預算了 |
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你們在這些這個宣傳項目是不是要有一個大概的方向而不是說那你今天寫了1500萬元然後我要在明年的時候才知道你今年用了什麼一直這樣下去我覺得並不是一個很好的規劃對所以說我對於你們到時候提供的這個書面報告 |
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我並沒有要細節到說那價格是多少然後拍攝主題一定要是什麼但是你們整體規劃的方向我覺得最起碼你今天要通過這1500萬的預算你最起碼你要有一個初步的構想跟想法那這樣的話我才能夠讓你們這預算過關啊不然你只寫了去年的那以後每年都是只寫去年的那我們每次監督的時候那我都不知道未來的狀況是什麼那這樣的話我覺得會陷入一個負面的循環 |
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所以說是不是因為其實你只要趕快給我東西那就馬上可以通過啦而且這個部分我想只要給你書面報告就可以好不需要不需要這個在我們委員會裡面在另外通在另外做專案報告不用所以我希望這個兩百萬你們可以接受這個凍結好我們立刻提供書面報告向委員報告然後凍結希望委員同意後凍結謝謝解凍 |
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還有沒有委員有要說明的國情資料這邊齁那個沒有新增計劃然後又增加預算而且說真的國情的有必要到我快要一億欸這個實在是讓我覺得蠻大的一個數字是不是可以簡單再解釋一下因為他跟我們一開始我們聽到你們說你辦公室是無法理解的 |
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好,是,跟委員報告這個9000多萬其實要扣掉3000多萬是我們約用人員的人事費所以實際上執行的是6000萬那6000萬就包括影片的製作費用還有一些多餘版的期刊還有電子報的全年的製作費用其實並不是比起很多其他國家來講我們的預算算是蠻低的所以請委員一定要支持 |
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那我請問一下就是說你這邊國情資料這邊有講到影片阿期刊也是屬於一些宣傳嗎那跟我剛剛這58案裡面這宣傳的差異是在就整體的方向差異是在哪一邊呢是有不同的頻道像這個跟不同的平台 |
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國際知名頻道是我們藉助在這些平台的網站上來推播我們的影片那像我們的期刊跟我們的電子報就是屬於外交部自己的刊物自己的平台自己的網站來推廣所以有不同的平台那希望就是達到一個多元推廣的效果 |
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那你們有新增計劃嗎?並沒有新增計劃那主要的這個金額有增加是配合著比如說IKEA國際民航組織三年一度的大會明年要召開所以我們又增編一些就是製作影片的費用另外就是像剛剛跟委員報告那個國際知名頻道我們希望能夠增編300萬元能夠符合計劃的需求 |
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徐喬欣委員 |
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5359案以徐曉新委員提案為主案並案處理凍結兩百萬 |
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提出書面報告並經同意時的動資外交部回覆的書面報告內容剛才的病案委員所追詢的部分以並答覆接下來60到76案請說明 |
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張維各位委員好秘書處緊究60到76案並案說明第三目住外機構業務之住外實理單位基本行政工作為此這個案子提案委員有陳冠廷委員羅美玲委員馬文君委員黃仁委員徐巧欣委員林楚英委員陳永康委員我們都有到委員辦公室說明或者是提供相關的書面資料那肯錦委員同意合併凍結200萬元提供書面資料後凍置謝謝 |
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羅美琳委員,針對這個61案媒體政策及業務宣導費的這部分我要講的是駐外機關這位機構這部分一直以來我們執行率都很差不到六成61案 61我的61案 |
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對61案然後當然外交部有來說明其中是這個國際傳播司的這部分有說到說他們其實執行率都有達到九成那我所看到的就是說一直都整體來講都達不到六成那表示說五個地域司像拉美斯亞非斯亞泰斯還有北美跟歐洲司如果沒有這個國傳司的這個執行率的話我在想他這個執行率會更低 |
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國傳司有來說明拉美斯跟亞非斯也有跟本席進行說明可是只提到外交部將督促各駐外管處何時編列預算並積極執行那怎麼執行完全不知道然後亞太斯北美斯跟歐洲司完全沒有來做口頭的說明也沒有提到這個書面所以這邊我這邊是建議是凍結50萬我凍結的金額都非常少 |
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提書面之後再來解讀林淳委員其實我剛剛在第二案的時候我就已經要說明那我想說後面可能會更清楚我這邊也是針對國傳司就是因為疫情開始解封之後我們其實有到各個外館去那我們就會發現各個外館在有關於編列這種所謂國際行銷或者是在對我們自己在住在地 |
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作了哪些的宣傳的部分其實我覺得是流於形式也就是說你可能就是一個紙本啊或什麼我所看到的是這樣就是不夠有效的去運用這些現有的經費去做宣傳那像這一次我到歐盟去的時候我發現他們在有關於2758號決議文他們就跟這個相關的這當地比利時的這個漫畫家一起來做一個合作然後做了一本這個閱歷一本note |
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黃榮委員 |
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有關於第65案本席有改動為100萬的原因是因為過去政府時期的時候我國的護照增加了110個免簽甚至到美國免簽計畫中唯一的非邦交國稱為 |
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全球最有價值的附照之一結果外交部進取不足就算但連守成都做不到所以這部分是要建議外交部多多檢討所以改動100萬 |
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66的部分呢是因為我看你們的說明這是你們的駐外機構業務裡面的部分呢你們有寫到說 |
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因為我們其實邦交國變少嘛然後現在我看你們的秘書處的回覆是目前各政府機關派駐英國者供給8個單位分租5處未來搬遷新管社後將納入目前未合辦公之單位如經濟組教育組金融組然後在114年換租搬遷所需的工程費用那呢這個原租社恢復物礦費及律師費等等那約新台幣5486元 |
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我們確實有一些托管的計劃在進行中 |
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另外一個就是現在各部會及派駐人員包括在歐盟美國日本甚至連非洲雖然我們只有個邦交國那現在有一些業務是搭配的包括美國像中國觀察員還有相關的這些多邊關係 |
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實際上現在差不多各國都透過跟我們的住在地的管處在進行 |
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請求委員會支持 |
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在66案的第二部分人事處有回覆說一部分是關於駐外人員的醫療保險 |
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那其中呢巨額理賠支出是35%高額理賠案件也佔了整體保費的47%那所以呢我想要請問的是為什麼我們住外醫療的保險的巨額理賠跟高額理賠是會這麼高他們是什麼原因都在做這個理賠那就是說他們是有什麼樣的狀況嗎或者是 |
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可不可以說明一下委員我們那個住外人員都有醫療保險那就是因為他們可能身體狀況所以需要對所以這樣但是因為他是我知道醫療保險啦但因為你們這裡寫到的是就是因為你們編了一億多嘛然後巨額理賠是占35%高額理賠是47%我是要針對巨額跟高額這兩個部分想要詢問說我們的外管同仁是遇到了什麼狀況會需要到巨額跟高額的理賠他們 |
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就是身體出狀況很嚴重還是怎麼樣因為基本上我要跟委員報告除了本人之外還有眷屬那你可不可以告訴我說這個巨額理賠的人數跟高額理賠的人數我們事後再交再給委員好嗎好啊好啊那我們就先凍結兩百萬好不好那這個這部分就是因為等於說還沒有回復完畢嘛這個可能有各自的問題那我們就先凍結兩百萬你再跟我說就好了 |
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我針對這個68案還有包含74案有關於這個機構這個駐外機構向下的駐外時令單位的一個基本行政工作的維持 |
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外交部也說明原因是全球能源價格高漲但其實國際能源價格的高峰在2022年即便如此原油的價格漲幅也不算是特別的明顯比較明顯的是天然氣價格也在今年幅度 |
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這年的幅度降回2021��2021年的水準所以外交部有點牽強另外就是針對74案主因是英國代表處改租符合英國租用法規範的房舍增編了新辦公處所裝潢的費用 |
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這部分請務必如期完成搬遷作業這兩案改動為100萬以上 |
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那主席我們是60到76案是一起嗎好那60到等一下60到76是一起審嘛對不對那我這邊還有好幾個是不是我還繼續說明一下就是67案的到67嘛現在67案的部分呢這個也是關於說 |
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比如說你們的回覆裡面有寫說職場霸凌零容忍嘛然後呢要求各駐外機構要於公開場合宣導申訴及防制措施但是這個多久一次也不知道然後還有實際上面到底能不能夠有效益也不知道因為我們外交部其實比較辛苦的是呢很多都是駐外派的同仁所以他們的這個霸凌的事件要傳回來或者是被發現然後呢這個被討論的難度比較高 |
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所以我這邊呢我就因為他本來錢就不多啦所以我改為凍結50萬元好不好凍結50萬元那我希望的就是知道在這個霸凌的相關的策進目標那因為前面我也好幾樣都是有跟霸凌相關的你們並按提供書面即可並按提供書面即可 |
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徐小菊委員跟黃人委員要不要就我們就一起就併案然後就凍結200億黃人的委員提案可是因為50因為他今天很少50萬你要不要分開可能會比較分開可能感覺那個同一個分支計劃可能會少一點不然的話他可能那個主席 |
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王定宇召委 |
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8352.23 |
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我一定要提醒一件事情我們的住外人員在不同的國家不同的城市我們的那個房補費也好穿資費也好有的地方真的嚴重低估甚至於住地的人員自己要拿薪水來貼當然我們在台灣工作我們自己住房子也要自己花錢是沒有問題但我一直說你像那個舊金山那個地方的金額跑那麼快有的國家呢是經濟下滑 |
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所以我們這個穿資費也好或者防補費它應該是一個動態的那我建議我們委員會我們支持你們建立一個動態的調整計算公式否則住在危險地方的他為了省那個房子的房租費他有時候去遷就那個危險的區域那這個不是我們願意見到的這是第一個建議第二個有關霸凌我們現在大概在講霸凌 |
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通常我們在這個氛圍下處理的案子到了另外一個氛圍的時候你懂我意思嗎就是說管理是需要要求的所以在管理的要求或者說主管管在管理紀律上的嚴格跟霸凌之間我也會我也要求勞動部你應該把法律那些話清楚否則有的主管管比較兇他是不是叫霸凌 |
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那有的主管管吼爛的跟麻糬一樣都沒有在管整個主管的管處任務都不能達成所以在霸凌跟管理的紀律要求上我覺得應該回到法律上的要求而不是說這跟性騷擾不一樣性騷擾是以受眾的感受做決定但是我們在工作的場域我們包含我們各位委員我們在管理自己的辦公室每個人有自己管理的方法所以在管理 |
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紀律跟霸凌之間是不是會議一下勞動部把他那個明確法律的部分定義把明確化否則有點像在學校那個老師說我都不要管了你還怎麼管我領導的事有的比較認真的去管了三不五時要跑法院這不是我們願意見到的霸凌應該制止霸凌的法律定義是什麼而嚴格的主觀管他善盡管理的責任任務達成率高我們應該給他加獎所以這一條線 |
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應該畫出來否則我坦白講我都賣慣了好慣我自為之這不是我們願意看到的所以我剛才改組決議其實是希望這一條線把它明確否則我們現在到底什麼叫霸凌到底什麼叫做管理我建議這兩件事情一個是防捕穿織費一個是霸凌跟管理的效能上我希望在不管是組決議或者大家委員凍結其實是為了把這東西弄清楚來好不好 |
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對所以呢這個接著那個王朝偉的後面講因為剛好69跟70案都是我的這個檢列跟凍結案那黃委員的68案是不是要先講還是怎麼樣朝偉還是我還是我先講69跟70你先講好好那是這樣子齁69的部分呢是關於我們的植物宿舍的部分 |
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那69的部分呢我就直接讓你們照案通過好不好那但是在70案的部分我可能就踩的比較硬一些因為其實就像是剛剛王昭薇講到的那我們現在在住外機構的一些維持費跟一些的他們的工作的費用啊等等的有很不平均的現象 |
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那有一些單位呢他就可以拿的費用就很高他們住的高檔啊然後使用的這個我們秘書我們給他們簽合的也都是比較好的那有的地方過得非常辛苦那所以我覺得呢在這個部分確實外交部有改進的必要性應該是每一個區域他所需要的最起碼你要給他基本的 |
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也不要讓彼此差異太大所以在70案這個部分我是針對了這個就是于大雷涉嫌浪費公帑買奢華家具這個事情那雖然這個部分有去說明了但是其實也沒有說明的很清楚因為它本來就是一個一般公務機密的一個做法 |
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所以秘書處的回覆是為了杜絕採購爭議再次發生也就是說秘書處也認為說他是有採購爭議的只是媒體報導的部分金額有錯所以訂定駐外管的雜項設備購支原則跟比價機制然後等等的 |
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主計處的部分我們想知道其他各國的管處是不是也是用在主計處的說明那邊就外交部機密預算經立法院審議通過那請問每處他是用機密預算去買的家具那其他各處也是嗎 |
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那另外就是說呢還是沒有辦法接受說難道他這個買什麼牙膏啊什麼這個這個什麼咖啡機也算是機密預算這件事情我覺得我非常難以接受好所以在這部分呢我的 |
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這個凍結數我可以改列成兩百萬但是呢我在簡列金額的部分我還是希望我來簡列一百五十萬這個部分我就是會希望說整體的規劃那公平性還有我覺得之前出現的爭議讓大家感到非常不公平不曉得外交部這邊是否能夠同意好外交部 |
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主席 |
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那沒有問題啊就我這邊的話我就是希望凍結200萬然後呢減劣金額是150萬就往下修那因為我覺得呢你們要再一次思考一下就是說像這個美處他們如果只是買什麼牙膏然後什麼咖啡機這些東西然後你們都用機密算去處理然後簽合的話那 |
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到時候被發現的時候他買的價格的差價跟大家想像的差這麼多像他當時所謂的沙發的價格等等的那我覺得這個對民眾知道之後會有一種非常不平衡的感覺所以說他們在 |
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所以說是不是說可以我們在簽合的時候能夠更謹慎一點點喔不是說好像人家送什麼來我就給他簽出去像這個美處的部分就很明顯是這樣子嘛那他給你送來一個什麼咖啡機你就給他簽出去了就剩下凱迪拉克沒有簽我覺得這個事情是蠻嚴重的所以我這邊是希望減劣150萬凍結200萬 |
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事實上我們住外管處已經有就是訂定了購置費的自用原則那外管他報回來的時候我們現在以前是沒有但現在都有要求說他們要三家比價就是因為每個地區的物價是不一樣的所以譬如說他要買沙發現在我們不會接受說他只報一家他要報三家的比價來那他要選擇三家比價當中他最低的價位的那一家 |
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然後再來就是說這個也我們報回來之後也會有分層核定還有會其他各單位讓大家去審核說這樣的價格合不合理那這個資用標準是全球外觀都使用的OK還有那就是我具體建議一下好不好就是說因為你你像現在的做法當然他會比之前更好嗎但是呢這也有個問題就是說比方說好那他的沙發到底需不需要換新那你你要怎麼知道 |
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委員報告因為我們的財產都有就是使用年限所以他需要把他使用年的沙發使用年限報回來對啊他報回來的時候那你把他使用使用年限是這樣嘛比如說我今天買一個沙發那他使用年限假設是說好他到五年但實際上他這個沙發五年了他還可以用那他其實就應該要延長他不能用他再來跟你換這是我們一般老百姓的想法是這樣 |
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所以他不應該是只要是說滿到這個使用年限之後他就換了而是說他需要說比方說好出示相片然後確認說他這個真的有汰換的必要性然後你們才讓他換而不是單就使用年限的部分有謝謝委員提醒事實上我們在提醒外管的時候都他要汰換的時候他需要把照片報回來 |
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在之前有嗎?有那為什麼他那個沙發還是那樣子去買啊?就是因為美國物價真的很貴然後他裡面還有包含所謂的運輸還有裝修就是因為他可能不只買一樣所以他是統包的時候才會導致說好像單價很貴 |
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那這個部分能不能就是說我們解凍的條件就是說私下就好不需要公開去把他當時的這些就是所謂的照片的前後部分提供給我們讓我們確認說真的有這件事情好不好就是說因為這個就等於說用機密的方式來處理就是媒體他們所報導的金額你們講說不對嘛那他到底他買了什麼然後他前後的照片是什麼那 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
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8926.182 |
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麻煩提供給我確認然後說是不是像您所說的這樣子然後我們再來再請解凍好嗎?好啊那可以不要簡列嗎?簡列的部分那我們下修為100萬可以嗎?我簡單講一下我們第60案第60案的部分這個地方是有增加我們的外使館的單位的業務租金是到3億那我知道說租金代表處的搬遷大概是1億 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
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委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
8948.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8950.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
車輛養護費的部分也是跟當時的新聞有關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8978.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8998.29 |
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說明我覺得外交部已經有再次通電各駐外管處說公務車不得私用的規定避免公務車使用爭議再次發生然後你們有精進措施那是增加實地檢核書面抽查跟加強內控的措施但是我想要詢問的是如果違反的話是否有罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
9000.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
9001.789 |
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法則是怎麼罰然後呢具體的就就法則具體是怎麼罰啦有沒有這個法則這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
9012.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
9012.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
為什麼不訂定法則的理由是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
9035.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
9038.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
我75案我原本是凍結10%我現在改成凍結100萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
9058.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
9086.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那這個一百萬好一百萬那我的這個檢列費用我就三十萬畫一個整數不曉得外交部這樣可以嗎我以為可以再減少一點嗎你們總共有兩千六百三十萬我才減你三十萬而已我覺得不是因為我們的公務車是真的有固定的就是每一輛都算好的對啊所以檢列可我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
9086.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
9106.077 |
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我跟你講那這樣好不好我簡列20萬因為這個我還是要簡列的原因是因為我覺得呢第一這是當時的社會重大矚目案件是你們之前自己沒有做好那等到今年要預算審查你才提一個精進作為第二個我覺得你們精進作為裡面呢你們也沒有非常詳細的去思考各種情況 |
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9132.891 |
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所以呢像我一般來說我前面都是凍結而已但是為什麼我在這個玉大雷這個事件裡面的我都希望一定要簡略數字不是問題就是在一個你們可以接受的範圍裡面但是呢我是一定要簡略的原因是想要提醒你們說類似的事情絕對不能再發生當時實在是讓大家都覺得說怎麼會一個駐美代表處然後搞成這個樣子去讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
9134.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
9134.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
先謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
9161.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
9172.658 |
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就是說我到外館去看包括美國華府跟歐盟以華府這個例子公務車它是現在兩輛舊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
9174.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
9174.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
國防委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
9198.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
9223.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
除了館長自用那個都有一定的標準那因為公務車會有他用因為有時候需要再跟他們互動或者出入他們的一些地方所以這個部分我覺得不算是私人濫用我覺得他不屬於個人行程因為他的工作就算他是去吃飯交友那他是跟使節或者是說相關的涉外人士的共同的 |
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9224.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
9239.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
．． |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
9239.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
9241.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
接送家眷接送家眷這就很明確的是跟我們的工作沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
9280.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
對 所以這個部分只要是我覺得呢我們這個界限把握好那他們就是私人的這種跟外管或者是相關重要人士的參敘或參會他都我覺得他都不算是他還是屬於一種公務就像我們平常是立法委員去地方跑攤你能說那叫我們的私人行程嗎那也不是啊我們也是在工作對 所以這個部分是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
9281.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
9296.437 |
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那我再補充一個車子的品﹖就是車子的﹖就是我知道在駐外那他可能有需要比較好的車這個完全同意但我覺得車子的等級也不太應該超過我國的政府元首等級的車輛吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
9312.149 |
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我的意思是說他之前報上來的是當然我沒有簽過這是對的外交部做了一件對的事情那直接簽一輛凱迪拉克這個我就覺得不是很合適但他如果是賓士或者是說他是B&W或是Audi這種比較高階的車輛我覺得完全沒有問題我是非常支持的因為我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
9318.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
9342.011 |
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有有有絕對有你還賓利凱迪拉克那些都是比Benz啊B&W更凱迪拉克很高級的所以說價格也完全不一樣所以說我國元首使用的車輛可能都是像Audi B&W也沒用到Benz其實但是你基本上還是在那個級距裡面不要再上到奢華我覺得呢是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
9349.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
外交禮節然後尊重對方但是不要變成是奢華那你弄到奢華的話好像其他國家的這個大使什麼的都覺得我們台灣好像很有錢啊凱迪拉克啊那個這樣子到處開我覺得也對我們的形象沒有那麼有幫助所以我覺得呢是尊重對方然後呢但不要過度奢華為原則啦這是我的建議 |
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就是說當然車的那個汽車的這個不管是凱迪拉克或等等一方面我覺得有些是工人的車啦因為我去坐過就是說因為他那個上下載客的開門啦或者是高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
9393.793 |
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是有若有功能性的那你買Lexus的最高檔的也是一樣好嗎?就是這個我是說我跟委員利用這句說明我知道他一定都有可以替代的因為這種車都是這樣有A牌出就有B牌出C牌出像如果你要講說比較好接送客人然後要多人的車型的話你去買Lexus最高等級的車子其實也沒有問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
9408.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
9435.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
但是你弄一個凱迪拉克跟這個這種類似兵力到這個level的上面的我覺得這就過了我們會在符合委員提的這個原則之下然後因為我想在華府因為有兩輛舊車就現實上面對到要病那我們會參考委員剛剛提到的原則第二個是人的問題因為我們有一些地方真的交通不太方便那像太太或配偶 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
9435.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
9450.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
其實常常是需要一起出去那有時候甚至是我們的大使沒辦法去是由夫人代表所以這個部分我有在館內我有稍微把它放鬆就是他的性質的認定如果說純粹單趟出去就是去買菜但是我是覺得夫人也是我們大使的分身 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
9456.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
9478.366 |
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我覺得是看對象就是說這是看你的交際對象交際對象如果他是屬於公務對象那無論是他本人或是他的眷屬這當然都是合規的這當然沒有問題但如果你的交際對象是你自己的個人的朋友或者你是出去玩或者是你去買東西買菜這種當然他就不是屬於公務行程所以我認同部長說把它放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
9485.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
9492.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
但是還是有一些底線跟界線是我們必須要去遵守的我覺得這一點呢外交不要多注意好不好我們當然在確保這個有公務的性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
9502.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
9511.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
好那我現在就60到76因為有一些個別提案的話我就來做一個綜合現在6我們先從61案的話羅美玲的提案他是凍結50萬所以提出面報告之後使得凍支 |
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9524.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
9534.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
然後66案徐巧欣委員的提案凍結兩百萬提書面報告之後並經同意使得凍資沒有他剛才有堅持66案你凍結兩百萬嗎你要並經同意使得凍資還是使得凍資就好 |
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9552.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
9553.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
馬文君委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
9573.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
9591.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
主席不好意思因為剛進來有幾個這60到76大概也提了大概有5個案子那就這個部分我想可能也沒有詳細說明的很清楚那比如說像第 |
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9592.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
9605.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
62案的部分因為我們在這個預算裡面增加了3.18億他內容到底是什麼然後有多少人數那說明的時候大概是有提到醫療保險這個調整了1788萬 |
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9611.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
9618.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
國外旅費及國際貨運編了2億2千5百多萬條增經費也高達6千5百萬左右所以光是醫療保險跟國外旅遊國際貨運就增加了將近 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
9627.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
9627.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
請勿模仿 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
9659.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9659.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
9685.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9691.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
抱歉剛剛我提到說我們這個預算它增加了3.18億你光是在醫療保險還有國外旅遊國際貨運的部分其實不能只用通膨來講因為這樣非常籠統我們也不知道你的詳細內容到底是什麼可是你增加的預算非常的高那簡略跟凍結數其實並不高啦所以我想你們還是把它說明清楚不然這樣的預算我們不知道 |
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9714.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9726.153 |
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是不是適當因為太高了是跟委員報告其實我們的醫保部分我們今年跟去年只是增加1788萬那我們內外民調的話也是增加6000多萬而已因為你現在沒有詳細的一個數據資料你只有讓我們看到你增加的金額非常的高所以我們這些凍結數其實並不高如果把每個案子都分開看我們凍結數會更高就是如果你要每個案子每個案子凍結那也沒關係 |
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所以在這裡我們要求要檢列兩百萬凍結五百萬委員不好意思因為這裡面還有包含就是住外管出的租金所以可不可以不要凍結檢列兩百萬凍結五百萬請你們把這些因為我現在是把它全部都合起來講不然你就一案一案的說明好不好你今天是把所有相關的預算你增加的 |
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主席 |
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第一個當然大家因為這個是時知時負的東西那我是建議我們外交部當然要跟委員說明清楚一些項目第二個如果馬委員要檢列200嘛凍結500的話是不是處理在第三幕那個幕下不要在 |
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不要再這個就把它往上提一格啦這樣才比較避免影響到實質服務的部分這個是建議啦 |
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這個部分應該也不會影響啦因為他編列的預算數其實是非常的高啦今天如果說來說明的時候其實你可以編出這樣的預算數我相信你大概就知道說你詳細的內容你的人數你的數量很多相似其實應該都非常清楚可是都沒有辦法講得很清楚只跟我們說 |
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因為通膨的關係如果通膨是可以調整這麼高的預算額度那什麼都可以用通膨講而且我們目前還沒有發生這麼嚴重的狀況所以我想我在五個案子如果你們覺得這樣有困難那如果要往上題目那我們每一個案子一個一個就個別的去煽動這樣好不好 |
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因為我想我已經把它就是把它併案了剪裂兩百萬凍結五百萬謝謝好這可以嗎沒有現在就是馬文君委員的提案嗎就馬文君委員的等下整個對對對他就五個案子的對 |
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法定人數不足 |
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來我們先60到76案齁我做個總結就是61案剛才已經講了羅美玲委員提案凍結50萬然後提書面報告使得凍支然後62案馬文鈞來62案63、64、71、76就併案處理馬文鈞委員的提案減劣200萬凍500萬 |
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科目自行調整提書面報告並經同意後使得動之以62案為主案66案徐曉欣委員提案凍結200萬提書面報告之後使得動之 |
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接下來67案徐巧欣委員的提案凍結50萬提出書面報告之後使得凍支對同一個說明同一個書面就好了 |
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徐巧欣委員徐巧欣委員徐巧欣委員徐巧欣委員徐巧欣委員 |
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然後75案徐曉欣委員的提案就是我們把全部都併案處理啦好不好全部委員的併案併在這個案當提案共同提案人然後就動100萬減列15萬科目進行調整提出書面報告之後是經同意後使得動之 |
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主席這邊我的部分是65案還有加上這個68案各改動為100萬這個部分好所以你要另外另外嗎OK那外交部可以嗎好那我們在在65案和68案就這兩個另外調出來並案然後凍結100萬提出書面報告要不要經同意 |
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並經同意使得動之以上是60到76案60呢60併案了嘛併到那個併到徐曉欣的75案為提案他說他要各動他各動OK對6568有有有各動解100萬嘛 |
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所以60是併到75了對60併到75就是全部人都跟那個75併案當共同提案人一起處理接下來77案等一下我補宣告陳永康委員第34案主決議修正為併案處理第33到46案以第33案為主案併動100萬書面報告使得動資 |
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保委員請問一下那個70案檢列100萬可不可以自行可不可以自行調整好可以好沒問題齁那接下來77案請說明 |
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77案跟78案兩個一起講就詐案通過但是我這邊有一些訴求希望外交部我改組決議好不好我改組決議那就是有一個原因是在77案的部分我們越南駕照外國人身患越南駕照必須要繳交申請表駕照還要經過翻譯公證驗證護照影本跟拘留影本 |
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但是外籍人士深化我國駕照因備的文件大致相同但是越南的政府規定適用在越籍外籍人士並非僅針對我國民眾這是亞太斯的說明但是因為 |
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其實很多要去越南自駕的民眾都有跟我們反映說是否能夠爭取更簡便的方式這一點希望外交部能夠盡力去處理所以我改組決議那78案的部分也是跟職場霸凌有關但因為它是屬於駐外的文化中心所以其實跟外交部 |
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77案徐巧欣提案改成主決議78案徐巧欣委員提案改成主決議 |
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請大家稍待我一下好 謝謝 |
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9案的部分我想詢問的是這個是駐外機構業務底下的駐外核安單位行動維持然後你們給我的說明是說呢這個核安跟先進國家國際組織技術專家針對核電廠除役核廢料安全管理等等可是其實我們 |
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這個明年就正式這核電廠全部都除役啦那再來就是說持續促進雙邊技術合作關係的推展那這個到底是什麼樣的一個技術推展因為如果按照我們這個核電廠的目前進度以及我跟主容太院長的質詢的話 |
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那其實114年的時候就沒有核電廠了那為什麼還要編列這項預算呢這個是我的一個問題所以才在79案這邊我們有做一個凍結那可不可以請相關機關回覆一下 |
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感謝委員的垂詢河岸會這邊來答覆那主要是因為河岸會是安全管制機關那不論未來的能源政策走向如何我們都要持續的針對這個河岸服安進行安全管制 |
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除了各位所熟悉的這個核電廠相關安全管制之外其實還有其他廣大原子能民生科技的相關輻射防護的安全管制要執行那這部分執行需要透過國際交流來借鏡國際的經驗接軌國際的標準所以我們有派出人員到國外工作那肯訊委員支持相關的預算 |
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好那我覺得是這樣子這樣的話你們的說明寫的跟我們說明就跟我們說明的部分其實就不太相同嘛就是說因為你第一個說明然後講的都是說因為要核電廠處理然後需要專家等等 |
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但其實我們這些專家在我們自己國內都有因為明年就要除以了嘛但如果你現在要講的是說我們未來要跟包含是美國進行小型核電廠的相關規模的技術合作的話那這樣的話我們當然是支持的啊可是因為你給我的說明是這樣子寫所以我建議是這樣好不好我凍結13萬元然後但是呢請你把這個說明重寫一次就是說到底要做什麼因為我覺得你們這樣這樣子寫 |
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那我讀下來就覺得莫名其妙因為你都沒有核電了要啥技術交流所以你應該是要寫說那你這個你這個項目你你你你未來要就你現在要做什麼你未來要做什麼把它寫清楚把它寫清楚給我之後呢經過同意章案通過我也只凍結13萬元並不多好嗎我這會提出報告給委員好謝謝好那79案徐巧欣委員提案凍結13萬 |
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提出面報告使得動之。接下來80到86案請說明。 |
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各位委員好八十案到八十六案參與國際組織活動的部分那外交部已經跟提案的委員包括黃仁委員徐小新委員陳冠廷委員馬文君委員沈伯央委員都提報了書面資料那也跟相關的委員包括黃仁委員馬文君委員還有陳冠廷委員的辦公室也當面的說明那我們是建請是凍結一百萬元提書面報告 |
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是的那個外交部也說明了齁那但是有一個兩個自相矛盾齁所以我才產生這種對你們的一個見解齁因為你們說是友邦海地因為國內局勢的複雜所以今年度的這個在聯合國上沒有為我們發言為如何友邦的發言不只是我們都在觀看我國其他邦交也都會互相觀察 |
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沈博洋委員 |
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86和這個我簡短說明一下因為這個有得到一些書面的說明它的原因是這個樣子就是說呢這一個很多就是參與這個國際會議交流他有時候他是國際學生就是說他是在譬如說他在美國留學可能在日本留學的留學生那他要去參與譬如說去紐西蘭的會議或者澳洲的會議的時候他要從他的留學國飛過去 |
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那從那留學國飛過去但是他們那時候在打電話問的時候那時候他們說補助必須要是國內的機票那我覺得這但是因為在回文的這些這個各個這一個外交部的回函是說沒有這樣的規定就是說其實並沒有說一定要國內的機票從國外出發的機票也是可以的但是在溝通的時候不但確實發生了這些事情而且甚至還有這一個人員可能還說你們這一個活動並不是那麼主流的一個活動等等之類的所以 |
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我認為還是有可能要有相關的一個報告之後使得動之那今個可以再討論 |
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針對84案的部分因為像目前中國大陸持續都在可能在很多國際多邊組織的部分在禁足相關的主導權那對於我們參加很多的國際組織其實也多有阻礙 |
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雖然在這些預算上面基本上從過去到現在我們都是比較支持可是我們也看到像剛剛才進行過的就是CPTPP的部分這個部分因為我們這一次大概也沒有被納入 |
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在今年執委會也決定了從2027年到2031年的輪值主席原本只有到2026可是他現在連2027到2031年的輪值主席通通把它定出來了那未來各年的主席2025是澳洲、2026是越南、2027是秘魯、2028是馬來西亞 |
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還有2029是智利2030是汶萊2031才是英國我們看到這些國家其實對於我們可能會比較友善支持的也許是到2031年的英國那中間有一些甚至對我們並不是那麼友善那這個部分我們應該要怎麼樣的積極的一個行動或作為因為不是只有編預算我們每年幾乎 |
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．． |
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議員．．． |
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那我這邊呢因為有82案也是類似的嗎那我就配合馬文俊委員同樣好不好那黃人委員呢黃人委員他不在嗎 |
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我們是說針對APEC的部分因為2025年是在韓國舉辦所以我看到你們有減列減列這個相關的旅費可是一般事務費你們卻又增列到5593萬當然有到我們辦公室來說明可是我們辦公室還是沒有辦法理解說這個理由到底在哪裡這是不是可以再簡單跟我們講一下原因 |
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委員報告您剛提到一般事務費我們增加約1600萬那主要是因為我們要在APEC來推動這個數位健康的這些相關的倡議那另外呢這個同樣的一般事務費向下呢我們也要辦理明年有三年一度的國際民航組織IQ大會那最後還有就是因為針對這個中國這個現在持續這個 |
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10819.456 |
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事由（立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第21次全體委員會第21次全體委員會第21次全體委員會 |
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我一併說明APEC其實今年在秘魯我們是應該講說不管宣傳站或實質上在會內領袖代表的倡議就是以數位健康這個確實引起很好的大家的認同 |
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希望若實後續透過數位與科技應用包括 AI這一點確實不只是去開那個會我們後續可能有一連串而且這次三個APEC企業的諮詢代表包括宏基的陳俊盛 |
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廣達的張家淵還有臺灣大哥大的林子晨他們本身也都有企業的背景可是這個主題是臺灣的強項這個做個說明至於在政治方面APEC這一次我們真的是爭取到其實這幾年幾乎是被中共矮化 |
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不願意在APEC跟我們的對話因為他們要爭取主辦那也做了很多的承諾那至於說其他的國際組織我想跟委員簡單報告就是說2758號決議在美國的國務院做了4點解釋之後包括在世界衛生組織的大會每日的發言都有提到所以事實上是在聯合國裡面當然9個國家大家有看到發言那海地因為他現在特殊因為在臨時政府違和另外的這個 |
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外交部長 |
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是很明顯就在聯合國在紐約大會期間是有另外發言後來我當然也去了一趟瓜地馬拉我想對於鞏固邦交以外對於具體未來的合作會很有幫助那現在就國際組織當然中共在這個所謂的全球南方 |
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因為他如果輸出表決他這個鐵桿兄弟也很多所以我們現在還是處於在倡導至於說四大國際組織會隨著在不同的主辦國就是說輪值主席國等等我們會調整這些重要重點 |
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基本上我是認為未來這一年可能在國際組織的開拓上會滿有空間所以在懇請委員能夠就不管刪減或凍結的數字能夠盡量的能夠給外交部比較大的空間當然一定的委員的監督我們一定會全力來配合那也感謝委員在拚外交上及幫外交部做了很多國會外交 謝謝 |
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謝謝部長,不然83跟85我自己的兩個是可以一同就是全面兩個就加起來就100萬這樣子就是向下減那那個 |
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好 那個因為我剛漏掉一個82案82案是有關其實議運委員也有質詢過很多次關於中美洲銀行的這個部分那呢因為其實也質詢過非常多次了那我們是希望說在這個部分可以更密切的然後去了解不要變成是對方貪腐的一部分就是這樣對我們的國家會非常的形象上面也會有損 |
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那裡面給我們的報告裡寫到說協助國家納款繳股款會審議之後目前沒有規劃未來也不會編列相關經費我們希望是可以就是維持這樣的方向所以我這一筆呢就照列通過改組決議好嗎謝謝 |
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我剛才83跟85那邊就是並在一起動100嘛但是85這邊推動國際組織這個地方然後有拍攝警政署官員訓練短片然後就是那個跨境追擊等等 |
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馬文君委員動400萬,外交部要再下修一點嗎? |
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我跟委員剛好分享一些資訊看能不能卓以減少這次那個CPPP我們後來有掌握的資訊外面那個報導是對於新加坡跟馬來西亞是有一些不實的地方或出入 |
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新加坡基本上他是都支持啦對於中國或台灣那當然強度他呢是也許有一些就是不一定一樣另外馬來西亞是有支持中國成立陸會工作小組但也沒有反對我們所以我們因為這個涉及到我們跟馬來西亞跟新加坡未來的雙邊的關係因為他卡我們那當然其他有一些國家是支持我們 |
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是有反對中國但是因為卡在這個政治上的關係確實還沒有辦法完全取得所有的共識那並沒有反對台灣因為台灣事實上是大家都知道如果反對台灣他們國家搞不好標準都還比我們差但是因為中國的因素也確實是有政治上的因素這個我也跟委員提供一些我後來掌握的資料 |
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條件上面我們認為我們當然是好的啦如果比較起來在很多國家裡面不過因為我們現在面臨的困難其實大家都知道主要就是來自於對岸嘛那所以就這個部分因為在很多國家其實在他們自己本身的國家利益考量上面他們要支持我們有時候也有困難 |
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應該說我跟委員報也許明年我們還是不要太悲觀就是說 |
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我們以前都敞開前期的諮商只是說我們這一次獲得沒有反對台灣的但是是有反對中國的可是這兩個確實會互相糾葛那因為他現在開了一個小門或某種程度就是說所謂的成立工作小組之間是允許雙邊諮商而且他有一個決議就是說基於效率反對的人要說理由 |
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所以我是覺得有進展的空間而且經過這半年來我其實跟同仁包括外管在CPTPP相關的會員國我們的管處都有很多的溝通我們一定要去降低對我們的反對 |
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事實上看起來有一些國家是強烈反對中國的加入這會有點是卡套我們可是因為他現在有允許我們開始諮商了所以我們把實質的關係都做到很完整只要政治的問題比較成熟的時候我想澳洲明年的主辦輪值主席國他基本上當然他也會很在乎中國的反應不過他基本上還是對於CPTPP要往前走的話 |
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因為現在川普上來是比較他當然本來就沒有參加而且比較不是採取多邊的這種其實CPTPP也會有壓力如果他不再往前走就停在這裡了這個也可能動人就沒了所以我們也在很誠懇的跟他們溝通說我們盡量降低政治上的考量能夠把臺灣跟中國其實這一次的哥斯拉尼在新加魯就打破了順序不是先報名就要先處理工作會議 |
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應該說在這一次裡面雖然沒有得分可是我們有往前在努力當中 |
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我們只是希望說有一個具體的做法因為我們大概都會聽到相同的這樣的一個理由條件可是我們現實客觀的其實就是要面對中共的壓力那就這個部分其他國家一定也會尤其是要加入這樣的組織多邊組織我相信他們的壓力也不可能小 |
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我們還是希望我們不是悲觀可是我們也不能過度樂觀那在凍結數上面我們還是希望說就未來其實在可能在這幾年或者明年至少澳洲或越南的部分我們應該要怎麼樣去突破也可以有一個比較明確的一個做法所以還是凍結要不要凍結200還是好同意凍結200萬凍結200萬 |
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那個黃榮委員你那個要不要跟那個並案吼好那我80到86吼案說一下吼我們先看82案徐小青委員的這個82案改成主決議然後83和85兩案並案 |
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動結一百萬然後提出書面陳冠廷委員提案然後提出書面報告之後使得動資然後以83為主案然後其他的都並案處理到84案馬文君委員的提案動結兩百萬提出書面報告之後並經同意使得動資好接下來87 88案好 |
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雅太市市長蘭夏里報告有關第87案林益娟召委關切的要即時掌握全球多場選舉的部分這個案子我們已經到委員的辦公室向委員當面說明在雅太地區的六場 |
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選舉結果及密切觀測結果目前繼續持續密切注意當中。第88案徐巧欣委員關切同枕亞太地區推廣觀光交流計劃我們也提供詳細說明資料如何加強推廣國內觀光包括簡化 |
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好沒有問題我這88案改組決議謝謝 |
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今年全球各國已經進行66場的選舉每個國家的選舉都影響到當地國家的政策然後更是對台灣其實國際支持有很大的影響然後勝選者對台灣的國際支持其實與否是非常重要的甚至影響我們的外交工作的挑戰還有壓力的關係的走向 |
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所以外交部更應該要對國際各國的選後的元首還有政黨的政治意向要密切的掌握這樣才能更靈活調整我們的外交的策略所以像最近吶吶韓的總統突然宣布戒嚴的事件或這次我們的外交國防委員會其實到馬來西亞的吉隆坡去參加亞總的聯會其實都有遭到打壓的事件是為了拓展我們我國的台灣 |
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可以嗎?好 |
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那我宣布一下87案林玉君提案凍結100萬提出書面報告之後使得凍支88案徐曉新委員提案改成主決議然後因為第3幕住外機構業務的提案已經處理完畢現在休息5分鐘非外交部有住外業務的列席單位人員可以先行離席 |
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這個委員才兩分 |
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好那我們繼續開會89-98案 |
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亞太市市長藍霞李報告有關89到98案有關徐巧欣委員黃倫委員跟馬文君委員關切的亞太地區學術交流活動的相關細節部分那麼本案已經分別向馬委員及黃委員的辦公室當面說明也提交了相關的書面報告給徐委員辦公室有曾經詳細說明有關 |
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馬雲君委員 |
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八九到九八喔?總結一百萬喔?沒有啦,我不會說理由的,當然,不是好嗎?九一,因為這個預算也蠻高的啦,就是說亞東太平洋斯這個預算,我們看到它幾乎都是用在日本,那以其他國家,因為我們還有很多國家,你剛剛也念了很多,可是我們大部分的預算幾乎都用在日本,其他國家是有困難嗎? |
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我剛才報告的是各國的詳細的學術交流那當然日本的部分本來因為我說你的比例啦因為你剛剛有念了其他可是你的預算的運用幾乎都是用在日本那顯然 |
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是不是你其他的國家是有至愛難行嗎?或者你們根本沒有去推?那就這個部分我們看不到你相關的成果還有研究的內容還有你在其他國家為什麼你用的預算相對這麼少相對這麼少的原因所以我想這個部分還是建議凍結少一點凍結一百萬因為你是分你把它分開可是我還有一案 |
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阿拉伯在台商務協會這個組織他在我們內政部他已經登記社團法人 |
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他聲稱可以代表22個中東國家然後他做了很多可能相關的一個在包括文件的認證雖然他沒有他沒有承認這個我認為外交部要去查清楚因為這個部分我們在這幾個國家我們都有他雖然22個可是其中有三個國家包括阿曼 |
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包括 約旦還有尤其沙烏地阿拉伯這三個國家在台灣是有代表處就是是有派駐一些相關的代表人員在這裡那也有正式的官方的一個 |
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中央政府總預算案關於外交 |
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設計不法的狀況這個外交部也要去查不要把它推給內政部因為外交部跟我們這些國家甚至這些住處的相關的代表人員其實是比較熟悉的那透過我們其他住在沙烏地阿拉伯或約旦或阿曼的相關人員其實也是可以查查清楚第一這個商會曾經就科威特的部分他有在文件認證上面有假的認證這個是由阿曼 |
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這個王國其實已經有正式的韓文這是講的認真這是第一點第二點在敘利亞在地震的時候那時候他們曾經這個商會曾經辦震災的參會那他辦參會其實還有賣餐券 |
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而且甚至還有募款可是都沒有提供收據我們希望外交部也要透過相關單位因為在這些參會或者這個商會在我們台灣辦很多活動的時候外交部的人員或者包括我們的邦交國或者一些駐台的一些辦事處的相關人員 |
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其實都有去參加他們的活動那其實顯然可能也有被引導或誤導的一個狀況那這一個部分他們到底那個贈災款到底是怎麼用的有沒有用到蓄力啊因為他是在台灣辦的如果有發生 |
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外交部跟可能尤其 |
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雅西斯我們希望剛剛跟部長也建議過這個部分我們希望可以去查查清楚另外還有我們這三個因為他也被這個商會提告雖然他們可能不是正式的邦交國可是都有或多或少的外交豁免權 |
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那他們也必須要受到基本的保護因為畢竟這三個國家稍後在阿拉伯約旦還有阿曼這三個國家他們派駐的人員其實等同於像我們的就是對方的大使一樣那包括他們本人還有他們的家人都應該要受到我們的保護那他們曾經去報警 |
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因為在這個過程當中其實他們曾經被網路攻擊而且一個月收到高達700通的匿名電話而且還有黑函的攻擊這個都在在顯示因為一般人誰會去對這些這些中東國家去做這樣的攻擊一定是有心人那為什麼要這麼做我想這個 |
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外交部跟內政部同時去進行這個部長這個部分可能要請部長特別重視雖然我們凍結的預算數很低可是這個對我們的外交是有影響的甚至我們跟約旦長期以來都有很多的合作項目 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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可能說明你還是必須要查查清楚就是這個部分我們希望把它特別重視一下如果在台灣都沒有辦法受到保護那誰敢來誰敢來尤其是有外交豁免權的還會受到這樣子的一個攻擊跟還會被提告所以顯然對方可能勢力也不小還可以維持撐了那麼久然後很多人包括外交部的人員都會去參加我想這個部分可能要查清楚 |
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我補充一下我這個剛好突然想到要跟部長講部長你記得我那時候在跟你質詢這個議題嗎然後你知道他們多誇張嗎他們在我質詢完之後的隔天然後就放出呢他去參加他被受邀到中國國民黨的黨慶酒會的照片然後呢還tag我欸 |
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你覺得他就是故意的啊對對對就是大家搞不清楚啊大家搞不清楚大家不知道然後重點是那個所謂的黨慶活動酒會他並不是在那一兩天發生的那可能是在國慶酒會那是在可能一兩個禮拜之前就發生的但是在我質詢完這個議題之後他隔天就PO文然後TAG我 |
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我本人根本就沒有去參加那個酒會喔在我沒有去參加的情況下他還用這種方式其實他甚至就在針對我們質詢這個案子的立法委員非常非常離譜非常誇張我當時看到也是整個傻眼我想說我又沒有參加這個活動菜國我幹嘛後來仔細一想才知道說喔對啦因為我質詢這個議題他不爽所以他就在臉書上面那這其實也是一個我覺得這也是一個一個霸凌跟一個造謠跟抹黑所以真的是拜託外交部針對這種人一定 |
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一定要想辦法去處理那內政部那邊也有會有我們其他的同仁會去提出這個東西部長就是讓我們知道要怎麼處置這個商會這樣子就如果他有這些相關的不法的話委員的關心跟我的了解這個所謂的商會不是商會他是向內政部登記的協會他竟然有一些這個行為是有不只是引起 |
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因為混淆引起誤會而有第三者可能會受影響以外我們外交部要跟內政部好好針對這個協會當時設立的宗旨跟他的行他的活動內容是有出入的這個經過一併的瞭解是應該是很明確 |
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那第二個就是站在我們不然在臺灣設這個代表處辦事處或是什麼樣的這一些機構是有在行使一些政府之間公權力或者是代表性的我們要以他們為主他們關切的問題我們外交部就是我們的事情至於說應該這個協會登記在內政部我們要積極去協調要一併處理 |
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那我想我在瞭解之後後來委員的關心我們都我想這個案子我們會當作一個重點因為有可能後續還會有發生其他的爭議那那個我們是應該外交部要把這個事情當作 |
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不只是因為審查預算我覺得這會造成對我們這些跟我們有友好設立代表處或辦事處國家他們的一個影響好不好這件事情我想我們那至於預算的審查就是剛剛提到說那個比例的問題如果有這些比例上面我們再自己統計一下要比較能夠反映在所謂的學術交流活動 |
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當然我們有民主基金會或是台亞基金會也許那邊也是有在負責跟西南向國家可是整體來講外交部的預算分配在國家之間的這個比重我當然知道有些國家比較困難不像日本那麼容易交流不過像菲律賓或像我想一些國家還是有相當多的智庫跟這些NGO的團體我們會來調整這個比重 謝謝 |
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我們現在是89到98對不對好那89跟92跟95我三個一起講好那95的部分呢我們就直接改主決議好直接改主決議那主要原因是因為呢我覺得外交部給我們的回覆非常的清楚就是說去年大概動用了多少錢跟哪一些智庫的合作寫得很清楚那我覺得這樣很好 |
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但是呢同樣的這就是為什麼我凍結89跟92的原因因為89案的部分包含你們給我們的回覆呢是寫說我們的執掌範業務較廣然後涵蓋韓國日本太平洋東南亞跟印太逾35國各國大學智庫學者等學術文化關係我希望你們可以就是比照95 |
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902案也是一樣的上面寫說亞西非洲斯協助團體辦理亞非各種學術交流活動 |
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那呢其實也沒有寫得很清楚那當然如果裡面有一些像這個92案裡面有寫說有些具機密性不宜事前公開可像我本人說明的這部分那就本人說明就好了這沒有問題所以呢在這個部分我們就小小的89案因為這個 |
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原列數的金額很高所以我想我們就凍結200萬那92案的原列數本來就很少了我就改凍結80萬然後95案改主決議這樣不曉得可以嗎 |
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主席我說一下提案同意9198併案凍結把它下降到凍結100萬然後93我們希望是另案凍結就剛剛提到的亞西斯的部分阿拉伯國家的這些我們希望93案也是凍結100萬 |
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國外交流學術交流等等等等等然後但是沒有寫得很清楚那我們當然會問嗎 |
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那你看你95案的時候呢就寫了我看喔1234幾乎是5頁然後把所有的你們去做的努力都寫出來那我覺得這樣很好啊在我們通過預算的時候我們有一個依據啊可是我看到的是89 92跟96 |
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都還是很簡略的就寫了一個東西就過了所以在這個部分我還是希望你們可以我這邊凍結200萬元然後呢比照像95案那樣子的說明給我那經同意之後解除凍結謝謝 |
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馬文君委員你那個91、98動100然後還有9393的話93也動100對,連案動100要不要合併處理啊不要齁,你要分開那徐曉欣委員的就是89案動200然後92案動80 |
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議員．． |
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黃德偉委員 |
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針對97案的這個部分我們外交部在11月份的預算執行率已經超過了70%但是還是偏低以台美關係的程度校對校的合作應該要有更有效的一個效能所以這個部分來講我改動為100萬 |
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那黃仁委員之前的這些就一起並案處理喔那現在我們就89到98案的我們89案徐曉新委員提案凍結200萬提出書面報告之後使得凍資 |
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然後90案和9494案和97案黃仁委員的提案以97案為主案凍結100萬提出書面報告之後使得凍資然後91案和98案並案馬文君委員的提案凍結100萬 |
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提出書面報告之後並經同意使得動之然後9393案馬文君委員的提案凍結一百萬提出書面之後並經同意使得動之接下來 |
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還有95案徐巧欣委員的提案改成主決議接下來99到114案請說明 |
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稍為各位委員好是亞西及非洲市司長何忠義報告有關第99案到114案各案經徐巧欣委員馬文君委員黃仁委員陳冠廷委員幾位委員提案我們也分別的到各委員辦公室說明或是提交了書面資料在這邊建請凍結100萬元書面報告後凍支以上報告 |
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那我這邊的話呢99、101、103跟107各凍結100萬元那主要的原因也是一樣就是說有一些項目呢你們在書面回覆上還是很不清楚舉例來講在99案的時候呢你的第6點協助及補助進行東亞非地區藝文團體來訪那就是說你們這些各項的交流就因為113年是已經做完的嘛 |
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那你做完之後你每一項目你到底是呢補助給了誰然後呢花了多少錢我覺得都有義務要跟我們說清楚那101也是補助我優秀藝文團體那這邊寫了明華園這只寫了123 |
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113年整體的就是 |
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每一項你活動的最後的這個預算花費的最後花到哪邊去了這個細目希望可以提供給我們知道然後再來就是107案也是一樣的就是你看你這邊有很多推廣活動交流經費什麼規劃藝文團體什麼藝文團體也不知道然後所以 |
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總之呢就是呢都寫的不是很清楚所以我這些全部9910110310709都請你們補上書面資料經同意之後實則通過那各凍結一百萬不曉得這樣外交部這裡可不可以同意外交部徐巧欣委員的提案 |
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是全部併案嗎?全部併案?全部併案凍結一百萬?他是全部併案凍一百欸?我是各個總共五百萬喔?啊你們那麼多?不是,我的意思是說 |
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我的意思是說你們東西寫不清楚那你趕快寫清楚那給我然後呢經過同意時的動之就好了因為這個東西是就是說我的意思是你們的回覆到底說補助給了誰然後花錢花到哪裡去然後呢這個具體的項目裡面就沒有寫清楚嘛那這樣的話我直接給你過了明年度的預算那我覺得很不合理啊所以呢好嘛那我們這樣子好不好我就 |
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平安凍結總總共平安凍結400萬好不好 |
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主席毛菁委員大概也是有五個案子因為其實你們都把它併在一起所以因為大家有意見的那個內容其實是不太一樣的那你如果說像剛剛徐委員跟我的如果加起來然後我們有十個案子然後每個案子都不一樣你全部都要併在一起然後要這樣一起說明 |
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那中間如果說有一兩個大家覺得說還是有疑慮的其實我覺得是很不好處理有些把它分開來然後比較相近的我覺得倒是可以那如果不一樣性質的這些說明我覺得可能還是把它分開比較好也比較容易釐清那可能針對一百案的部分其中我們可能有增編 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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在教廷方面可能在兩岸其實還是有一點點我們可能要關注的部分那這個部分我們還是希望可以再多加強那也稍微說明一下我們可以辦理什麼樣的活動另外就是我們之前有關切到的就是因為之前很久以前就成立的一個德台協會它原名叫德中那已經改了變成德台協會這個從1957年 |
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．．． |
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對我們外交部來說好像也不應該這麼做 |
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北美地區的文化交流活動我們執行率好像都不好 |
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剛開始提供資料的時候那時候已經在報預算就是在說明預算報告的時候那時候的數據資料其實執行率只有54%那是很低的到10月31你們說已經到了84了113年度我們看到113年度全年度的執行率其實也只有79.59連八成都不到 |
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執行率每年都不是太理想的狀況之下為什麼要使用這樣的預算規模 |
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108案是針對外交部對於拉丁美洲跟加勒比海辦理一些我們可能在中美洲、加勒比海還有南美洲相關的一些國家都是我們的邦交國像貝里斯、瓜地馬拉、海地、山聖還有巴拉圭這些國家我們 |
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的一些相關的商務文化就是一些文化交流的活動我們好像也都沒有辦法做一些相關的交流你們說找不到合適的文化交流團體那如果是找不到 |
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委員會主管 |
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國際傳播司 |
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亞太新聞講座計劃我們好像也都只是請美國的主流媒體只有邀請他們或者請他們做這些相關的報導那包括像我們好像對象都非常的局限 |
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對於我們在擴展台灣的能見度或者我們有很多很多的管道可以發聲可以突顯我們自己本身的我們國家的很多面向好像也比較不利那包括士博你明年編了680萬就是這個經費 |
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國際傳播司的這個經費你編了680萬可是你光是用在市博明年大阪要辦的市博你就編了560萬那你只剩下120萬你可以做什麼你是國際傳播司所以就這個部分我們覺得你的預算比例跟剛剛一樣就是你的比例好像全部很多預算都編在都只用在日本和其他國家好像都不重要一樣 |
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這個部分也沒有做清楚的說明那另外112案這個是也是國際會議交流的部分在文化交流活動研究設計這個部分編列了 |
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590萬比去年增加403萬他的增幅高達212%那你現在最重要的目的因為我們過去針對一些來台灣就學的這些學生他拿到獎學金回國以後他會組聯誼會那以前我們是編聯誼會的費用 |
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今年突然增加這麼多的預算好像要經營外交部的貼臉書的粉絲專頁還有經營相關活動就變了280萬所以你增加了403萬到底是除了這個臉書的經營還有什麼我想可能也必須要詳細的說明清楚而且這個臉書到底要怎麼經營你想要推廣什麼然後為什麼是由他們來做然後為什麼是這樣的金額 |
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我想可能也都必須要稍微說明一下那這個到118嗎?114那我講到超過了嗎?抱歉抱歉到112有啊112對啊對啊就112啊好那就就這幾個案子我們想剛剛有一個我們希望有病案凍結 |
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我是不是統一先說明一下因為我發現現在全世界要跟台灣交往真的是科技文化觀光什麼都有 |
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外交部主管 |
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事由８立法院第11屆第2會期外交部主管收支公開及機密 |
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像TAA我們現在已經量領幾千人了三四千人的這些留台學生我們有獎學金要增加在未來四年然後總統又在推這一個所謂的青年海外圓夢計畫而且我們這次去南泰州是雙向的可能會把一些國家到台灣來尋夢來實現他的理想 |
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這些新的政策作為其實應該利用這一次機會補充給委員們知道當然先前在編列預算的時候我們有些政策還沒有那麼明確現在有些主軸都出來了至於說大家談到區域上的一個分配像瓜地馬拉這個國家我們去過就很清楚像這個90週年然後雙邊的點燈然後他們的竹工藝 |
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我是覺得現在打通包括剛剛講說去經營這個TAA這是有點是台灣校友會 |
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這個幫他們點火讓他們動起來這個事情是會進入到也許新的階段不只是我們一直在訓練好像留他們的獎學金來台灣而是要組織他們之後能夠返鄉去服務能夠做為台灣跟他們交流合作的橋樑所以我覺得好多個項目其實提出的關切都是說那我們的內容是什麼如果主軸出來之後其實應該好好把相關聯的即使有些在科目有些在其他科目也能夠一併那因為 |
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我們有一些是透過就是文化藝術團體或是NGO或智庫這個部分當然預算的科目在編的時候有時候會比較切割可是我們還是要以活動主軸來做 |
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委員會委員會比較清楚我們總和外交裡面下面不是有10項嗎文化外交包括NGO外交智庫外交那我有跟同仁要求我在業務報告上提的那些項目裡面要反映在我們明年度的具體的推動的項目 |
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對對因為吼我們這次在看預算的時候因為後面還有好多都是這樣我建議之後是不是我們外交部邊預算的時候可以把它就是分開來然後呢說明也可以就提供給我們的說明也可以分開來因為你這樣子一大包之後 |
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那比如說我對這一包裡面的A有意見那馬文君委員對這一包裡面的B有意見那最後大家全部都凍結然後金額就越雷越高了這樣對於我們外交部推展業務也不方便可是問題是說對我們在審查預算而言 |
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我可能對於這個地方就是希望知道那你把它整包包起來的時候就會遇到這種情況那所以你看前面都沒有這個情況從這邊開始都是是你們回去看預算書的編列方式你們是一大串全包所以才會導致這個情況所以我再想一想我們現在還在90到114嗎對不對那因為這個部長剛有承諾說之後在編列預算的時候會改一個方式就是要求同仁是吧是就是你可以 |
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委員的說明可以更清楚嗎因為預算的編列有它也許比較方便的方式但我建議你們就不要從方便的方式去想因為你這樣子你每次都被都會被一直凍結那我覺得我們也不想凍結這些預算坦白說那你如果你可以分分分你分細一點去做的話那大家就不會一次就好像一個一百萬下去一百萬下去但如果說 |
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部長這邊可以承諾說包含之後的預算編列可以清楚一點跟委員的說明每一項可以做清楚的列點跟比如說去年度然後我們的預算的執行狀況然後比如說我們補助哪個單位多少錢然後我們花費了哪一些事情多少錢如果能夠這樣做的話我這個從99101103107109齁我都改動50萬所以 |
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一二三四五五四二十改兩百萬好不好如果說這個部長可以給我這個承諾的話對我同意現在委員基本上是要監督內容啦不是只是預算只是保留或是或是什麼樣凍結只是為了更詳細嘛那我是跟委員報告說我這次跟總統出訪齁我們有比較多時間去討論外交就發現說因為人家想跟我們來往的越來越多 |
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可是我們的人事預算還有我們相關的一些其實是在不只在做當地國關係我想拉美七個邦交國幾乎在做多邊關係另外就是說我們的預算總共318億但增加最主要是因為購置管轍因為我們希望有自己可以長期比較能夠安安安定的一個一個管處可是318億只佔我們明年度預算313兆 |
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3兆多啦應該是說3.11兆以上 |
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一大堆其實都很類似如果是我們一直切割 |
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那當然也會綁住同仁所以我是希望同仁在盡快時間不要等到 |
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明年之後盡快時間能夠把我們要推的因為我們現在已經有一個政策架構出來了嘛有些是屬於這個項目有些是另外的項目我覺得委員要的是一個就是一個全貌啦那至於說哪一個委外因為一定有程序嘛不管是藝術文化團體或是什麼國際什麼包括這些discovery等等其實那個都可以接受檢驗的因為我們基本上就希望說讓台灣的這些相關的團體能夠走出去 |
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另外一個我也說明一下就是說其實我在邀訪經費上我是希望我們的外管如果能邀到適合的人來請他比你做很多其他的事情更直接的KPI所以我也請求有委員會的支持我們在邀訪上面我希望讓我們的同仁不要說歐洲我們30個管處有些管處分不到一次的 |
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一致邀訪 |
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就剛剛提到的因為其實我們外交部的預算是從200多億在近幾年其實已經增加到300多億所有的預算的支出其實我們都希望看到成果不管是哪一部分那外交的成果其實就這幾年來說比如說我們邦交國是減少的或者說很多人想要跟我們交朋友交朋友當然是好朋友越來越多當然也是好可是就跟我們平常自己在交朋友一樣你有 |
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你有益友可是也有損友那你到底應該要選擇什麼樣不要說吃吃喝喝然後完了什麼都沒有或者在我們需要的時候他也幫不上忙這個可能不是我們外交預算應該運用的一個部分所以我們在每一個環節我們也希望說其實可能看雖然看到比較細的部分可是他畢竟都是我們所有每一筆都是人民的納稅錢那應該要怎麼運用是我們比較在乎的 |
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毛主席等下您那五個可不可以看一起併然後就看動作的黃任委員這邊對剛剛我聽部長講因為新的政策新的方向新的怎麼應對國際外交的這個部分因為有很多的一些還產生一個質疑就是我們現在跟國際外交既有的邦交到底有沒有非常的兼顧這是第一點 |
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第二點就是我們聽到的是海地還是房地剛等等所以這樣的一個動搖對我們邦交是不是我們會有危機那當然我們如何去應對這是也是國人最關心的 |
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因為聽到的外面的消息是 欸 梵蒂岡對中共大陸可能有進一步的什麼樣的關係當然我們跟梵蒂岡本來一直以來就是友好的一個幫友 |
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海地的動亂當然也造成現在就是跟我們之間有沒有穩定性的成長這也是一個隊伍對我們來講都是你要應對預算現在380多億當然有增加可是問題是增加的結果如何最後 |
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第12屆第13會議 |
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現在我提出的我另外一個方案就是針對102、105、109那102的部分當然外交部歐洲市已經提供了經典文化交流的活動的補助案故同意改成為主決議那針對105的部分 |
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我這邊是建議改動100萬是因為外交部的說明終止表示媒體政策及業務先導費今年10月底說這個執行率已經達到84.44%但文化交流執行率多少沒有說所以要請外交部現場答覆現場答覆到時候是不是改動100萬還是由主席來做一個決議 |
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另外針對109的部分是建議改動50萬是因為提醒外交部拉丁美洲是我國最多邦交國的地區但是國人對拉丁美洲的認識有限應加強推廣強化公眾的外交以上 |
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陳委員我的是106跟113我先講113113是負責的是研究設計會我這麼說好了要做什麼事跟要怎麼宣傳是完全不一樣的事情我對於做事情的經費通常我不會特別去講但是你要怎麼宣傳甚至宣傳的 |
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106案宣傳部分 |
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宣傳的部分都有編不少錢可是問題是你們貼文就是很少是自主性的內容是少的基本上就是做一些新聞稿啊中央社外交部啊台灣的轉貼那有需要這些錢嗎這也是我的一個疑問不過沒關係這兩個部分我們都同意改動那113我是同意改動到50萬那這個106案的話就是並動看是跟哪一個之前的哪一些委員是有一致的地方可以一起並動 |
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14784.71 |
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好那要不要那個馬文君委員跟黃仁委員和陳冠廷委員的案子就全部並案處理然後凍結一百萬一百萬太少了一百萬我OK可以嗎你們就一起嘛你們看你們的案子對因為徐曉金委員剛才有外交部要同意說才拿你們三個看看要還是凍結一百五十還是沒關係少一點沒關係 |
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14790.336 |
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好了,我們凍結兩百萬啦,很多案那華倫委員OK嗎?可以齁?好那現在我要講一下99到114的案子齁然後99還有101、103、107、110徐巧欣委員的提案這幾個案子並案然後凍結 |
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兩百齁這樣就凍結這五個就凍結兩百萬然後提書面報告之後然後並經同意使得凍資然後接下來 |
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主案的話就是99案徐巧欣委員的然後接下來馬文君委員的就是其他的案子全部的話就並案處理然後以黃仁委員的105案提案為主案然後凍結200萬然後提書面報告之後並經同意時的凍資 |
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現在休息用餐 |
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到1點20分繼續開會 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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主席 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員））） |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員））） |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員））） |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員）） |
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議員））） |
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響鐘 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員））） |
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法定人數不足 |
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議員）） |
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議員））） |
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議員））） |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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議員）） |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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法定人數不足 |
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唉唷 麻利啊 親愛的 外交 好唉唷 謝謝 這是誰喝好 謝謝 謝謝 沒幫你喝一下 不好意思愛心的溫水 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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法定人數不足 |
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委員會議 |
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我一個便當吃光啊 對啊 很快啊 而且把公文都改了 對啊 邊吃便當把公文處理掉 出國一陣子回來沒有勒 忙就不會有了 |
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主席主席 |
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一半了齁?一半了,快了快了 |
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哇 那麼快 呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵 |
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有比較才會知道可以做事啦至少一開始都可以要做的都可以開始 |
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議員．﹏ |
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我們繼續開會休息前處理到第114案補充宣告兩案第92案徐曉欣委員提案凍結80萬提出書面報告使得凍資第96案徐曉欣委員凍結200萬提出書面報告使得凍資現在繼續處理第115案到127案並案請說明 |
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我要不要直接先講因為我有可以直接照列通過的就是那個115案這邊呢直接照列通過這個我沒有問題然後因為我的這一份的問題齁我主要是在這個台日漁業協會的部分就2027年宜蘭這邊有一個附生號然後被日本去檢查扣船嘛2024年7號也有一個福洋266號 |
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那所以說呢其實我就把它變成是在118案這一邊那118案這一邊呢我就希望可以還有這個凍結我覺得就少少的就好了因為我是希望能夠拿到一個就是說日本因為我們有要求日本基於國際海洋公約那要相互理解合作之精神尊重我方 |
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與傳載重疊經濟海運的作業權益那希望補充資料就是說日本他們不願意協商的具體理由還有那我們的反制措施是什麼因為剛剛講了兩次的扣船事件那要怎麼樣解決希望可以得到一個書面說明那這個部分呢我想就不用經同意而動之那我就只要簡單的去凍結這個20萬元好不好 |
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我直接給你們就是換主決議好不好就我因為我只是希望對對對這個就是說你們我列主決議然後呢就我們希望說我講一下文字內容再打一下就是日本他們去扣船那日本他不願意協商我們有什麼樣具體的反制措施希望外交部在這方面呢可以維護台灣的漁權我的主要的訴求是這樣子那115就 |
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跟118我們都照列通過好謝謝委員來馬文君委員那我是116的部分這個也是針對我們的海洋就是台日漁業委員會的部分那因為 |
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我們在跟他們討論的時候就是說今年3月在臺北也舉行第10次的臺日漁業委員會那在8月底也舉行第6屆臺日海洋事務合作對話可是在會議當中我們過去臺灣漁船傳統的作業海域在八重山群島以南海域的這個臺日雙方經濟海域重疊的部分是屬於黑尾魚回流的範圍 |
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日方也不願意納入協商的範圍這個我們好像也都無可奈何那我們的漁民其實也是有氣也沒得發所以這個部分我們好像外交部應該要有更積極的一個應處的一個做法因為像過去我們在台日曾經發生我們把 |
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每年的漁獲用大木尾去換人家的黑尾魚的那個量到現在其實這個部分都還沒有正式的追究所以這個部分我們還是希望還是有應該要有比較積極的那個做法然後另外是這個會到一百 |
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127所以還有119的部分這個南非代表處是因為我們 |
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今年亞西跟非洲斯我們編列的預算大概700多每年都是編500萬補助非洲駐台經貿聯合辦事處可是從去年112年開始我們跟非洲地區進出口的貿易總額我們可以看得出來對非洲的出口都是負成長已經負的35.84%這個都是大幅的衰退然後 |
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．．． |
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中東地區我們應該要有更積極的一個做法因為就韓國他們在對未來趨勢的發展其實他們把非洲列為可能在不久的將來它是一個非常重要的一個區域不管在經貿或各方面的發展那中東地區可能也是所以就這個部分我們可能在這麼多的副成長的一個循環底下我們到底應該要怎麼做這個也應該要提出相應的作為 |
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另外121這個是歐洲司我們現在跟歐洲的互動其實反而好像比較頻繁一點可是到底對我們有什麼樣的注意因為過去我們不管是捷克立陶宛 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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那可是這些也許在台灣我們是具有優勢的不過你每一個國家我們好像都在推半導體我覺得好像也很奇怪包括非洲我們也是去那裡也是要談半導體所以我想這個可能是太把我們的優勢然後用的都快一文不值的感覺那這個部分我們也希望歐洲的部分可能在他的效益上面也要比較 |
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川普總統似乎已表達 |
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外交部委員會議 |
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18330.791 |
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18331.632 |
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美國選舉跟我們的友好團去拜訪有什麼關係? |
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18346.934 |
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黃柔衛委員 |
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針對117案的這個部分就是我國移民最關心的臺灣遺傳憑照日方的這個扣押所以這個部分已經有長久以來到現在過去在2013年馬前總統以東海和平倡議 |
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處程簽署臺日一頁協定之後因此獲頒愛爾森國際和平獎但近年來雖說臺日友好但一頁衝突並未明顯的改善對於八重山以南的協定外交部不應該受制於日本先協商八重山以北的要求應該要積極展現維護移民權益的決心所以這個部分我 |
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提出改動50萬另外針對120案的部分蔡政府在過去非洲的計劃就被批評先射箭後劃拔 |
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18463.658 |
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看不出具體的目標現在賴政府又要推非洲計劃2.0以外以外交部對於非洲經貿萎縮的理由是受全球經貿情勢的影響但是沒有辦法詳細的說明非洲計劃為何沒能發揮它的效果所以這邊也是凍結50萬 |
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18466.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
18467.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
針對另外一條126案外交部一再補助業者鼓勵富有幫投資但成果卻不如預期 |
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18483.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
18495.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
請外交部說明如何凸顯友邦國家的投資亮點同時也以此鼓勵友邦企業來台投資形成雙向的一個雙引互動所以我這邊改動為100萬以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
18501.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
18501.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
18518.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
18532.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
美國各州是台灣有23個協會所以要輔助他們辦活動那我是完全沒有理解到說為什麼我們要替美國在駐台的這個東西輔助他們辦活動的這個理由我是覺得很納悶那理論上來講這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
18535.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
18537.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
這部分我也同意那個冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
18564.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
18564.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
18581.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
18589.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
外交部要鼓勵國內的業者赴邦交國去考察跟投資所以我們都定有鼓勵業者赴邦交國投資的這個補助辦法可是我們看到近年補助業者到邦交國投資跟參加投資考察團的機票款的補助等等經費光是投資補助看近三年外交部 |
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18605.522 |
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18626.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
所有的資源大部分都集中在史瓦帝尼跟馬紹爾群島這兩個國家那其他的邦交國幾乎都沒有那也不利於推動我們的一些友邦的邦誼的鞏固那另外這個預算是編了一億五千七百萬一億五千七百萬 |
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18635.776 |
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18637.177 |
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這筆預算1億5千7百萬你使用的國家其實大概就是這兩個啊就馬紹爾跟那個史瓦帝尼而已因為你補助是機票嘛機票款的補助啊這針對考察團 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
18661.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
18670.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
然後還有投資的廠商嘛對不對那都是只有這兩個國家那如果就這三年來看其實編列的預算已經高達快五億了 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
18675.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
18693.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
委員我可以補充說明一下我們這個投資補助的辦法它其實包括兩個部分一個是機票的部分一個是投資那投資的部分包括你上一個年度的土地租金或者是員工的薪資或者是利息的支出那檢據相關文件經過我們審核通過之後就可以來申請補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
18699.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
18700.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
你明年就是編一億五千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
18714.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
18714.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
18738.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
18763.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
你大概我們看起來只用在馬紹爾跟史瓦帝尼我們現在需要的是因為待會我們的凍結的目的主要是因為你花了快5億那到底他們我們的廠商去投資什麼然後預算是怎麼分配的他們你在機票款到底是補助多少或者他們廠商的補助到底有多少是有哪些廠商獲得這樣的補助投資投資的是什麼目前的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
18768.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
18793.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
請做一個比較完整的一個書面的報告跟說明還有詳細的數據資料報告委員這個我們可以整理給委員這個都是有詳細的資料因為我們看到只有兩個國家你其他國家沒有啊所以是不是還有是有什麼樣的問題他們不願意去或者有什麼什麼狀況其實可能要看書面資料以後大家再來討論所以這個要 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
18796.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
18802.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
本期建議125案這個要另案凍結300萬那其他的提案可以跟其他委員一起並案凍結 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
18805.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
18828.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
我跟委員說明一下這個項目可能有一點出入是補助業者赴邦交國投資補助是1808萬8千元因為這是124項跟125項是一樣但是國金是整個所有在推動有關於經貿外交的相關業務是1億多我們的司長你們自己要說清楚我知道部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
18829.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
18848.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
我跟大家提一下就像我們現在12個邦交國有幾個比較大一點確實有投資的條件我們也看到促成了一些投資包括這幾天晨運電巴去那邊設廠包括巨龍纖維他們也決定另外除了巴拉哥以外是瓜地馬拉 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
18849.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
18875.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
確實效果也不錯因為他們國家規模夠大那貝里斯當然就是最近那個這個養殖蝦這是因為宏都拉斯跟我們斷交之後我們集中在那裡也確實有業者去做考察投資那其他比較屬於島國當然斯瓦地尼因為有些紡織業等等其他大概就南泰三個然後加勒比海有四個如果加貝里斯那當然英語西國家有五個所以我們整個現在的榮邦計畫會 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
18876.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
18896.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
很積極的來結合除了我們自己的這些鼓勵之外跟美國我們的EPPD已經簽了第二個5年所以我們在挑選一些項目會應該說我不確定以前的效果那不止於那兩個國家不過我們未來確實有比較完整的計畫我請我們國經司跟委員做一個比較詳細的報告這個部分應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
18901.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
18902.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
我現在都﹖ |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
18927.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
18927.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
國防委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
18945.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
18946.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
中央政府總預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
18968.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
18969.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
有關於台日也許同仁再回答一下有關於經濟海域重疊與漁權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
18987.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
19002.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
我們需要去點火政府的資金有限所以我希望帶動的是企業走出去所謂新彥行國際聯合艦隊跟國際友邦能夠一起合作帛琉這是一個例子我們剛從帛琉回來就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
19003.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
19018.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
臺灣、美國、日本一起來促進龍幫的計畫所以基本上我覺得國金司的業務未來會增加很多我們應該完整一點我請司長跟幾個委員去拜訪做一個詳細的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
19019.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
19038.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
主席 因為我的124案其實也跟剛剛馬文君委員所提的類似只是說我覺得應該要釐清一下的是如果我提的話這裡主要就是在國際經濟合作當中的機票補助以及或者是投資補助那這個整體的金額應該是只有1800萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
19039.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
19050.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
那這個部分的話應該就是剛剛國金司司長包括到我辦公室來說明的就是因為受到疫情的影響那麼前一個年度就是已經投資之後然後回到2023年你去看2023年反觀的是2022年嘛那接下來2024 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
19054.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
19068.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
可能就會有2025就是可能疫情開了之後會有需要那所以說本期還是覺得在這個部分你們在使用預算跟精配的部分還是要有多一點的說明啦所以我當時是希望能夠檢列100萬然後凍結50萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
19072.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
19081.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
那這個部分應該是跟第一個馬文君委員一開始提到的是同樣的那麼至於說有關於國金司剛剛部長也說明了國金司現在接下來因為疫情打開之後包括我們要做的整體的這個經濟外交的部分那麼是不是整體的預算不論是3億多又或者是5億或這個部分那當然本席就會給予支持但是你們在補助的部分齁能不能夠更多樣化 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
19098.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
19105.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
然後能夠更有效的在投融資的補助上面給予更有積極的表現這個部分的話我就希望還是能夠至少凍結100萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
19109.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
19133.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
那一百二十四案跟一百二十五案是一樣的嗎?要不要...你們要不要...一百二十我們還是希望可以冰冷凍結因為它在這個科目裡面其實它編的是一億五千七百萬就因為看到的你除了機票跟補助款雖然我們可能在很多國家我們可能可以有投資的機會可是過去因為這個主要是我們的邦交國 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
19134.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
19137.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
所以我們大概一直集中在這兩個地方當然廠商大概如果要出去投資我們也不能讓他賠錢去三聖老實說也真的不知道要投資什麼又那麼遠可是你在包括你投資這些剛剛講提到的這個斯瓦帝尼跟馬紹爾以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
19155.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
19161.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
那他大概是怎麼投資的有哪些廠商剛剛我們提到的這個部分就是提供相關的資料因為過去有很多廠商也有反映在就是為了配合政府的政策希望可以跟我們的邦交國或也比較有友誼的國家可以去進行投資可是到最後也許後面發生變化的時候常常他們必須要自己去承擔所有的風險跟他們的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
19182.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
19200.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
所以我們每一步不管你你補助其實都還是部分或者甚至我們補助過多其實也不宜應該是看他的商機還有他的投資環境我覺得我們沒有反對可是應該要怎麼樣做得比較到位或者不要造成我們國內廠商未來可能還是像過去一樣求助無門或者他的損失沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
19206.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
19207.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
19228.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
19253.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
林委員願意的話病案可以可以病案嗎好127也跟其他人一起病就好了對那我這邊的話127啊我也就跟他們一起病就好就不多提那可是我這裡的理由跟大家比較不一樣是就關於CPTPP那因為很支持那也希望能夠加入但因為2026年是秘魯是輪值的主席國對吧是秘魯嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
19256.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
19258.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
明年是澳洲,後年是秘魯 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
19263.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
19264.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
陳冠廷委員也可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
19296.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
19298.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
徐曉新委員115案提案照列預算照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
19328.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
19332.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
117、120、126病案黃人委員動輒100萬提出書面報告後使得動資118案徐巧興委員提案改成主決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
19352.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
19355.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
123案陳冠廷委員提案凍結10%322,000提出書面報告時的凍資125案馬文君委員提案凍結300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
19381.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
19385.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
提書面報告之後並經同意時的動資然後其他委員的提案都當共同提案人然後併到125案當主案然後如果有外交部要回覆的書面報告要包括剛才併案的委員所垂詢的部分要一併答覆接下來128案到140案 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
19412.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
19438.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
我先講128案的部分其實這個部分是我對外交部裡面最有意見的所以凍結的金額也會比較高本來列10%那我想呢現在我們下修到500萬那主要的原因是因為呢你這麼大一本的這個補助計畫裡面啊你們只有就是提出這個我可能需要知道的是包含你們資格審查跟他們的成效 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
19439.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
19464.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
然後呢因為其實你們有給我這個會表啦就是說我們補助的費用到底是補助哪一些團體但是你沒有告訴我說補助的每一個捐助對象的金額然後你們審查的資格然後以及補助的成效那麻煩提供這些資料給我之後呢然後經過同意之後再行解凍好不好那這個部分我希望能夠凍結500萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
19465.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
19466.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
134案關於立陶宛 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
19486.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
19504.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
到底立陶宛現在跟我們的狀況是什麼然後他的這個外交關係包含是我們住處明爭有沒有受到挑戰那這個也要審視雙方的合作計劃那如果說對方他真的要改名或什麼我們也應該要強烈的表態 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
19505.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
19519.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
所以這個134的部分我也改成主決議然後請這個外交部針對立陶宛是否要改名試鑒那能夠盡量的來提出強烈的反應跟具體的作為好 發言委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
19530.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
19544.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
針對13122分之一的這個問題是有關於外安婦問題是在東亞東亞所有受到二戰日本侵略的國家的痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
19546.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
19561.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
原住民長輩有記錄的就有12位台籍維安婦議題主要是在以馬政府執政時有許多的成果那民進黨在執政後對此態度比較曖昧 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
19563.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
19582.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
外交部的態度也變得比較消極軟弱就算今年的預算執行率較112年的提高但也只有14.6%完全看不到外交部主動積極的作為所以我這邊改動了國外的禮費10萬塊以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
19586.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
19608.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
補充一下黃仁委員的這個說明齁因為剛剛132案我是改主決議嘛那在這個部分呢主決議我希望能夠不好意思喔那個剛剛主決議的部分那132部分我改為就凍結10萬好不好因為這個只是因為我希望能夠有書面報告經同意然後能夠再行這個使用齁 |
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19612.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
19637.808 |
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因為呢我希望能夠詳細說明外交部是否有主動積極讓全國各種這個相關的復原的團體那去來申請我們的計劃以及呢我們在未安復的事件所謂的外交部重視高度重視台籍未安復案有哪些具體的措施因為其實在這個案子裡面呢我們得到的說明只有 |
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19638.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
19667.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
一二三四五六六行而已那我覺得對於我們很重視慰安婦那這個是女權人權也是我們的歷史的一部分那應該要有更積極的作為所以我希望可以提供這些積極的作為給我們參考所以我主決一改成就是簡單的凍結10萬塊那這個凍結不是要去砍你們的錢而是希望可以得到一份完整的報告督促外交部針對慰安婦的部分來努力去 |
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19667.585 |
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19668.946 |
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從129案開始這個部分也是補助臺灣民主基金會的部分這個大概編了一億八千八百多萬那其實這個比上個年度增加了941萬 |
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19690.768 |
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19706.663 |
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基金會捐助跟組織章程規定其實每年大概都是循預算的程序編列新台幣一億五千萬可是顯然我們每年的預算逐年在增加這個並不符合我們基金會的捐助原則而且 |
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19708.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
19731.68 |
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民主基金會在這一段沒有所謂的逐年增加是你必須要去做其他的收入來源而不是靠政府補助政府補助的部分並不是逐年增加因為過去我們大概都是一億五千萬原則尤其我們也希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
19733.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
19736.184 |
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在基金會其實按照組織章程向政府機關以外的國內外公司或團體或個人爭取捐助這樣是比較適宜的這樣對基金會其實他的健全性可能也會比較永續那還有我們補助的對象好像也都會比較限縮 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
19753.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
19756.486 |
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這個部分也希望外交部未來在很多的補助單位團體或者對象上面其實可以更廣泛我們可以有更多的意見的溝通交流還有可以有更多的可能可以給予我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
19770.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
19774.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
所以129案要凍結200萬那130案的部分剛剛巧欣委員有特別提到就我們在二戰期間因為包括南韓或者其他東南亞國家其實對於慰安婦或者像這個過程當中受到的侵害其實都有受到一些道歉補償 |
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19794.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
19816.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
議員．．． |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
19816.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
19822.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
今年在這個科目預算裡面用途佔了78%然後編了3280萬的部分這是捐助台灣亞洲交流基金會要舉辦玉山論壇可是今年突然停辦那預算要保留到明年使用所以明年幾乎有6560萬要辦玉山論壇這個規模其實好像也是過大 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
19843.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
19846.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
如果今年沒有辦法辦照理說你明年想要辦到什麼樣的規模還是要適當合以為為原則而不是說今年沒有辦結果把今年跟明年的加在一起然後你把預算好像全部直接把它消耗掉這樣的感覺所以就這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
19863.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
19865.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
在130案我們也建議要凍結500萬要提出相當的說明不然這樣的經費運用我覺得也不符合我們預算在編列上面的一個原則那133案這個就是針對 |
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19879.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
19882.831 |
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雅西跟非洲斯我們編的經費相對比較少可是我們的執行率也非常的低只有10.47%這真的是非常低根本你的相關這針對預算法裡面我們甚至數額沒有超過原預算數額的20%的規定這個有必要要非常的加強 |
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19905.4 |
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19905.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
19922.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
19929.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
他的原物料其實是非常豐盛的我們沒有理由去好像因為我們看到預算規模還有我們的執行率顯然我們有點像放棄那裡所以對於南非會對於我們有這樣的態度也許會可能是有一些徵兆好像我們並沒有那麼重視所以這個是不是有因果關係我覺得可能也要去再關注一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
19950.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
19953.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
135案的部分這個也是大概跟主要是北美的交流那我們跟美方還有像這一次113年我們駐美代表處在雙向園舉行 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
19970.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
19990.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
國慶酒會的時候美國的參眾議員幾乎都沒有出席都沒有親自出席那華盛頓特區的議員也沒有參與那這個部分我們也像我們包括公關公司的推動還有一些相關的人脈能力可能還是有加強的必要還有有必要要檢討那其他建議129 |
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19995.216 |
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19998.003 |
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就是獨立凍結200萬然後130案要凍結500萬給予同意跟其他委員並案處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
20013.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
20033.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
謝謝馬委員對我們民主基金會的特別追尋關於委員認為我們民主基金會的基金來源一方面主要是外交部希望我們向民間募資我們針對這一點其實也跟馬委員的辦公室溝通過那我們為什麼沒有向民間募資最主要是因為我們基金會的性質比較特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
20034.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
20040.438 |
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第一,我們是一個跨黨派組織。我們的董事成員是由各政黨在我們立法院裡面能夠組黨團的政黨來組成的。我們也希望我們能夠超黨派來行事。在這個情況下,如果像民間募資,我們怕這個募資來源會造成基金會行事的困擾,也可能怕有洗錢的嫌疑,所以我們一直沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
20059.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
20059.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
李慧琼議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
20078.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
20082.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
明年度提上張誠董事會來決議因為我們還是一個董事會在管理的單位所以我們將來在這一點上一定會做調整跟改進但是我們是依照程序來做所以這一點報告給委員希望委員對我們凍結的兩百萬能夠手下留情如果能夠改成主決議文當然是更好這是一點說明看看委員還有什麼要垂詢謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
20108.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
20122.917 |
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就這個部分其實因為你今年增加了900多萬那到底是為什麼要增加你即使是沒有對外募款可是包括其他的找尋其他的一個捐助單位可是我們還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
20123.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
20123.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
提出的問題的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
20153.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
20156.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
委員可以稍微再補充一下我們其實資料過去了因為國際推展活動我們其實在明年度上面也希望是符合我們外交部政策就是我們國內的NGO要走出去了 |
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20173.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
20194.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
））） |
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20198.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
20216.865 |
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跟委員報告我是台灣日本關係協會那剛剛委員都有關心這個台籍原未安婦的這個案子的處理情形那跟委員報告因為這個是長久以來的一個歷史問題那其實外交部對於這個處理未安婦的問題我們是一直是以積極的態度在辦理 |
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20217.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
20243.16 |
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那尤其是現在我們國內唯一現在還有參與這個爭維權的活動就剩下這個臺北市婦女救援社會基金會那所以他們的這個不管是在國內他們主辦的活動或者是到國外包括韓國日本還有一些這個像美國他們也會去參加的各項的這個維權活動我們外交部都是全力補助然後是而且是完全補助所以說我們對於這個 |
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20244.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
20270.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
衛安副的議題是非常重視而且支持而且也跟委員報告其實我們每年編列的預算只有60萬左右那60萬左右主要是看這個復原會他的活動的這個實際所需然後時報時消那所以說因為我們編列的這個預算並不多那像委員如果說動500萬元這個可能會影響到這個其他的部分是不是可以這個 |
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20271.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
20278.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
同樣一個案子130案有關委員關切的預算論壇的部分要跟委員說明的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
20290.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
20319.142 |
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每年我們補助預算論壇的預算除了維繫這個交流基金會本身的運作以外他其實每年有所謂的五大核心計劃包括青年領袖包括智庫合作包括公民社會鏈結文化交流計劃跟區域韌性計劃等等那另外還會藉著每年的週年的時候辦理相關的論壇所以其實整個預算只有一部分大概 |
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20320.143 |
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20347.012 |
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不倒百分之三十的預算是會用來執行這個辦理御山論壇的這個部分所以今年的執行率這一部分的補助的執行率已經超過百分之七十了那會因為這個今年會之所以會停辦是因為御山論壇未來要配合政府新的政策做一個轉型所以會把它保留到明年所以其實不是可能是不是像委員剛才說的是 |
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20348.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
20355.557 |
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6000多萬的預算全部都到明年今年預算變多少今年只是暫時匡列大概900萬左右明年也是一樣差不多你們是兩個加起來1800萬然後希望怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
20364.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
20368.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
就是因為有一些方向的轉型就配合我們新的總和外交價值外交以及融幫計畫所以我們會用一個全新的方法去舉辦御三論壇那個齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
20387.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
20415.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
因為當然現在以前是以新南向為主其實像我們現在的經濟跟農幫的計畫比如像晶片外交這個是全世界我們不能只是被動我們到底怎麼樣對我們的半導體產業對我們外交是有幫助而不是被人家好像拿出去所以這個方面可能會針對晶片相關的人的邀請當然這個都是比較重要的各個國家的代表那 |
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20417.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
20447.215 |
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5大信賴產業我們希望把它放進來在這個裡面包括AI我們這個對信賴向其實大家想跟我們學的大概都是我們的強項就是以數位科技跟淨零轉型所以以這樣的方式不會只有價值外交因為價值外交談很多智庫、NGO那個當然愛情很重要不過麵包也是很重要也是要有經濟的基礎尤其是我們的高科技那這個不是我們援外我們這個其實是希望說去合作 |
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20447.895 |
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20469.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
尤其像中東歐我們已經進行這麼多的民主供應鏈的任性那個你沒有拿出來我們應該說驗收啦驗收在蔡總統任內的時候他的政績但現在我們是新的政策所以怎麼去銜接大概有這樣的一個重新定位也可以說是進入到2.0的版本所以我們不幹是活動的會搭配會展產業 |
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20470.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
20493.816 |
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我們辦的時間已經很單獨我們現在就是台灣不管是我們的資訊展電腦展還有我們的那個智慧跟靜音城市展我們現在搭配這個會展產業的活動有一些side event這個這樣子效果我們邀訪的時候會達到比較大所以是我把他們hold住之後重新整合我最近應該跟委員比較詳細去講這個再定位為什麼我們要把兩次啊能夠整合在明年來辦 |
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20501.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
20507.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
謝謝部長的說明因為其實我們如果說像晶片外交的部分尤其包括我們外交部在做類似這樣子的一個不管是一些交流或者其他相關的像經貿的這些合作方面他在別的地方經費其實也變得非常高因為我們現在講的是一個論壇的一個規模 |
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20526.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
20549.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
因為你論壇大概就是邀請的大概也相對是這樣因為我們不管是對日對美對其他國家中東歐也好因為包括我們對於立陶宛捷克等等我們用的晶片外交其實我們在其他經費上面其實是跟他們做了很多交流甚至我們已經都有投資的金額所以這些已經都非常的高那你今天用的是我們講的是所謂論壇的規模為什麼突然要變成一倍以上如果 |
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20555.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
20555.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
20573.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
20573.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
委員．．． |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
20599.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
20603.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
市長,我覺得馬委員講的很對,像那個論壇的話,其實我覺得醫藥也是很重要,醫藥這方面也是台灣的強項,這個東西應該是要列入。我是請我們亞太司跟委員另外要做個幾點規劃的報告,為什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
20618.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
20636.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
因為之前的新南向我們都沒有邦交所以事實上都很難去處理外交都是什麼智庫、NGO其實社會面的東西很廣可是我們現在把它拉到外交部我們不是去委託好像台亞會去辦我們自己要有自己的主張而且跟凱達格蘭論壇要分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
20639.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
20661.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
凱拉根安是從地緣政治跟戰略上我們是比較從我們台灣的強項已經做了好幾年的成果那也會有很多我們因為有整整兩天的活動所以包括NGO智庫以前做的我們都繼續保留然後把它精緻化另外我們會加上去是說我們台灣透過因為既然是玉山嘛就台灣是最高山嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
20662.347 |
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20662.367 |
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兩百欸 |
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我打對500打對者是250我比沒有啦就是200萬你就把它說明清楚就好了啦好不好因為就已經講你就把相關的還是就130到132就併案啦三個就併案這樣然後就那個你們去說清楚啊快一點把它處理掉啊這個就 |
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韓董事長你們把他歸零而且他最近很辛苦我的董事長我是他的副董事長我要聽他講話一下你把他凍結凍結少一點點要不然我們真的很難行動我沒有把他爭取承擔不起 |
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針對128案徐委員所提的案子就是有關於國際會議交流補助民間團體128 |
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不要浪費時間不行 不行 不行 你們趕快給我資料就好了 |
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我怎麼可能 我怎麼可能讓你推過呢 |
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所以這個東西我覺得你總額是4億多我才凍結你500萬而已而且我又講嘛這是我凍結最多的一個因為我覺得我們要補助出去那這些錢補助到哪裡現在民眾也都非常關心所以說我們一定要搞清楚這個補助的錢到底去了哪裡因為我說真的如果你今天是我們比如說像是一些 |
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外交啊然後你們的一些大的這些活動的話我幾乎我每個都是好啦那五萬十萬或照列通過但是這些東西你是補助捐助對象也是給我們民間團體所以你最起碼你要告訴我說你每一個活動你補助了多少錢結果因為你都沒有寫所以說我只好凍結比較多的金額所以你儘快把它完成我們就儘快讓他通過好嗎 |
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根委員報告其實我們有補助民間團體的這個活動的這個要點那其實我們會從他申請資格補助活動的性質那我問你個問題喔我問你個問題喔你這些就是你現在對於民間團體補助的部分是多少錢我們是總共是7千多萬7千多萬嗎對不對對 |
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發言委員．． |
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我已經把它用元劣數7000然後變成說凍結200萬你還要跟我討價還價這我沒有辦法接受我從500變200已經砍一半以下了是很給你們面子好不好再跟委員事後再跟委員報告對對對我們趕快推進啊這樣子大家都輕鬆嘛我們支持外交部謝謝 |
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法委員北美斯這邊報告一下第135案那個去今年的國慶酒會因為國會其實今年大選所以其實國會9月209月底就休會了那議員其實都已經回到選區了所以自然而然就那個議員出席率會是比較低啦但是這個對於說美國這個兩黨政要對台灣支持是從來沒有改變因為事實上 |
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包括議長還有少數黨領袖還有榮運議長Pelosi兩位外匯會主席台灣連線主席都有透過發函或是社群媒體發文的方式有超過100位兩黨的參眾議員就是在社群媒體或致函的方式向我們致賀那在華府的部分其實華府市政府的市務卿 |
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以前都沒有休會喔? |
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每次選舉年的時候,因為國會是每兩年選一次每兩年選舉年的時候,國會的出席率都是比較低的 |
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這一個部分其實還是要去 |
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他們真的是我覺得每處是在國會遊說上從法案從一些 |
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對,就是委員那個凍結部分也在拜託委員手下留情 |
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國會遊說是全世界都在羨慕我們但是你也要有人出席是比較好遊說有時候來這裡他們很喜歡來之前來的時候大家回去都有伴手禮所以他們也很喜歡來我們現在要講的是我們基於什麼樣的條件我們希望我們的付出同樣 |
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要有回饋我們的回饋當然不是要他們有什麼樣在支援的部分我們要的當然是我們自己對於整體國家的提升還有雙邊的交流那凍結300萬同意下修300萬 |
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那我們就再交書面報告就是再請委員同意動之是 謝謝委員 |
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趕快去找資料來吧好來陳冠廷委員那我的是138案吼那本來是說有凍結10萬但是已經外交部有說明之後我們同意變成主決議吼然後140案的部分這個部分病案就好了吼那就142案這個這裡吼其實 |
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我是這個139啦我想其實我們的提案無非都是希望外交部在整體的預算運用上面能夠更有詳盡的規劃又或者是未來在相關的這個部分所以你們有來跟我解釋了我當然是希望這個 |
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條法司能夠針對更多的這個我們的友邦能夠簽訂相關更多的這個積極的溝通那簽訂更多的互助協議所以說因為預算看起來也不多只有64萬所以我就不動也不刪那就改成主決議好那我137萬也改成主決議 |
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128案徐巧欣委員提案凍結兩百萬提書面報告之後並經同意使得凍支 |
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129案馬文軍委員提案凍結100萬提書面報告之後並經同意使得凍支130 131 132 並案處理以130案為主案 |
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動解兩百萬提書面報告之後並經同意使得動之接下來134案徐曉新委員提案變成主決議 |
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然後135案馬文君委員提案凍結300萬提書面報告並經同意時的凍資然後137案林議君委員提案變成主決議138案陳冠廷委員提案變主決議139案林楚瑩提案變成主決議 |
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一三六一三六那一三六就一三六和一四零吧,並案處理 |
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這個我病到誰的案子我沒有意見不過我要提醒外交部就是說這個解凍的報告經同意使得動之不是你寫報告就會解凍因為還要立法院有開會還要召委肯排檢鬥案然後解凍案完了才有所謂的通過所以能不能運行我覺得委員都可以溝通所以如果認為OK沒有問題那我們當然會議速度快一點如果有自然難習也可以把困難講出來 |
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141-142案 |
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有關於141跟142案馬文君委員和陳冠廷委員關切有關114年國際會議與交流出國訪問經費偵編的部分那這部分本案已經赴委員辦公室說明而且提供說明資料主要的原因是包括因為這個地方的出國訪問是包括政府元首特使五院院長部次長以及其他政府重要官員的出國訪問到 |
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以上報告完畢 |
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141案吼這個 |
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增加的經費高的離譜他暴增一億六千兩百五十一萬就剛剛說的就我們如果我們的邦交國他們都是經過選舉然後我們要去其實我們要去的人大概也都差不多你現在你剛剛列的那些也都是固定我們不管是政府元首特使五院院長部次長 |
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或政府重要官員出訪其實這個本來每年大概都有相關的一些訪問或者這些出國的行程那可是你在今年暴增1億6251萬這個金額真的是非常非常的高所以因為我們看你的那個理由我們不認為如果通膨造成我們必須要增加這麼高額的 |
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外交部出訪會碰到通膨然後我們這些其他的各級的民意代表或者所有的人出國大概都沒有受影響為什麼這些沒有調整我們大家都有在出國所以你說那個機票在會漲成 |
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長成說你必須要暴增一億六千多萬這個無法想像所以包括你剛剛講的理由所有的那個我們的政府元首其實每年大概也都有安排那你相關的外交部長或者像其他的部會首長其實這些也都有所以這個理由讓我們必須要接受說他本來就已經很高了 |
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明年是增了一億六千多萬所以漲幅高達百分之六十二這個我們還是要簡略你在應該節省的時候還是應該要節省那應該要怎麼樣做交流那是另外一回事這個是我們常態都已經在做的事情你用通膨跟增加 |
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人員要出國有哪些人員你可以一次增加到那麼多我們到目前為止看不出來所以要減列2000萬 |
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好陳冠廷委員想請教這個這邊有說有增加元首外交所以過去元首都是用這筆經費來出來的那包含這些我國的這所有包含這些外交部所屬的重要的智庫也全部都是有這裡出來的全部都高層的有這麼高嗎 |
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委員的指教我們都虛心接受只是再跟委員報告一下其實沒有錯這些交流都是正常不過剛才有解釋過就是說因為印太地區近年來的重要性那再加上很多的主要國家還有我們的邦交國現在全部都是新的政府經過改選所以 |
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我們會預期這個交流會比以前更多的次數更多更綿密再加上通膨的因素所以才去把它計算出來因為他們很多比如內閣全部換過那全部都需要我方的人過去跟他們多做認識多 |
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委員會委員會 |
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即使印太地區你都是新選出來的對象就所有的內閣全部都是新的也一樣啊你你像如果選舉完他本來就都是新的美國也是新的啊啊所以你去的人是一樣的而不是你的他他的內閣換多少人關關我們什麼事所以這個增加的金額我們覺得不合理是在這裡因為你以前編良益多 |
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大概都可以做這樣常態的那個我們也沒聽說過我們不足啊可是你今年你明年是暴增太多是一億六千多萬我們看不出來說你有什麼理由可以增加這麼多而且我們這樣減已經算減很少了你增加一億六千多萬欸 |
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我想請教一下就是說這個你們有沒有包含比方說假設未來這個國會的幕僚他因為有這樣子你們擴大這麼多的經費是不是有相關的培育的計畫讓他們出國去有一些參加會議對內閣制的國家的話 |
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這是我方出國的都不能用全部都不能用所以就是那這樣就是說所以去的人都是一樣的人是這樣的意思嗎就是沒有擴大出去的對象的基礎嗎 |
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現在是這樣子啦齁 |
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這個是科學問題我方的官員出訪出訪人是一樣第一個變化有沒有增加出訪的對象國有的國家以前沒去現在要去了或者說有的國家以前沒那麼密切了現在更密切了以前去可能去出訪是見民間跟智庫現在出訪可以見到首長可以見到總統總理就是說有這種質跟量的改變 |
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如果涉及外交機密當然不便說可以私下跟委員講但如果有涉及這種質跟量的增長我覺得該給的預算給馬委員提的簡略比例上看起來不多那是不是可以討論看看用凍結方式然後你跟他報告內容說質增加哪裡 量增加哪裡我覺得大家都可以理解只要是正在做外交工作的其實都會支持 |
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我再補充一下今天如果說我們有很多的國家我們可能要去可是我們可以去的對象我們大概就是這些人他能夠他如果去這些國家相對的他有些國家其實他就沒有去或者沒有安排 |
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我們現在講的是你這一筆真的是暴增的太嚴重他不是我覺得不是凍結的問題而是部長我想大家可以去深思看看你多了一億六千多萬你今天再怎麼多我都想不出來說你可以增加到這麼多的經費所以如果應該減掉我們在預算上面應該節省我們還是希望可以做到 |
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我來說明一下當然因為大家知道今年全世界有60幾個國家我想比較民主的有選舉那當然新的政府的交往會增加以外我覺得我們除了總統副總統也有前總統前副總統 |
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還有我們除了部會以外五院各方面所以我是期待說是說我們能夠主動來規劃分工因為一個代表國家的特使去參加一個人家的就職典禮比如即使是最近這個索馬利蘭 |
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那很多的國家會到那邊去之後就是一個很好的機會可以做多邊關係那當然像帛琉總統會數人1月16號就職典禮那可能我們要怎麼樣有份量能夠去那邊那這個可能不只是當地國而是周邊來參加國家那當然委員講的也有道理所以我是建議就是說通膨當然那個大家都知道 |
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以現在的交通工具是兩三成在增加那個那個航空公司的租賃或者是等等那就是說檢列能夠減少一點我覺得還是要檢列一下啦我們我們少個一次兩次的出版因為我們來企圖心很強啦 |
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21978.146 |
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21981.427 |
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是真的是覺得空間很大明年啊特別的這個案子在討論的時候本來我要刪的預算更多因為我就說你今天要去的都是重要的人物喔不是政府元首就是五院就是我們的院長副院長還有我們的部會首長你今天不可能每個月都出國 |
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因為你們的國內的政事都非常的重要所以其實可以出去的非常有限如果我們包括其他的邦交國不管是其他的國家你能夠出去的飛機其實也很有限你這一筆我們當時我本來主張是要刪更多的因為我不知道為什麼要增加這麼高好不好 |
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沒有沒有不是這個部分是因為你編了算是兩億多阿你現在明年多了一億六千多萬你只是一個交流訪問出國訪問我說因為最重要的是我們的對象差不多就那些人你不可能一直出國你也不可能有更多的人 |
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所以你即使任何的條件加上去多了一億四千多萬都已經很多了我覺得都已經有點有點對不起我們沒有好好的門山更多所以我覺得兩千萬大家去思考看看因為增加太多了這個部分是我們看到說你整體的預算如果你可以有其他的發揮的空間那沒問題這個就是交流訪問的錢我們的有增加嗎我們也沒有 |
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我可以請教一下就是說這個部分啊我們那個韓院長能不能夠去那個川普的那個就職典禮啊就因為大家有在談這個事情嘛就是說如果說川普的那個 |
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我就是想要在這邊跟部長確認一下就是說如果我們民主基金會還有那個那個廖廖廖的執行長對不起喔就說如果今天那個我們川普總統的川普總統的就職大典的話這邊部長會不會支持我們韓院長能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
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怎麼樣?能不能都出國?不會說我們通過我們這個預算然後最後不能去吧?這個很重要的承諾喔!這個是我們很重要的承諾喔!這是看我們支不支持很重要的一個承諾喔!因為民主基金會董事長 |
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許曉欣委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
22164.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
22178.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
這幾年剛好其他的國家在政治情勢上面都有一些變動跟異動那也就是說他們的就像剛剛川普他新上任又或者是像歐洲幾個國家也都重新進行了選舉跟改選 |
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22206.762 |
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所以不一定是真正我們所看到的現在在檯面上的這些政治人物所以說也並不是完全就是過去的我們這些交情同樣的新的朋友也要做建立就這些國家都是那些國家但是他的政治一定會有些更迭啦所以我還是同意是有他其實增加的必要然後再加上齁其實大家這一次我們在國防外交委員會就最清楚的那個機票的漲價漲得非常離譜大家也都知道 |
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22225.077 |
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那所以說我自己都認為其實如果真的實際去看經費的運用的時候從交通從住宿然後再從國際政治上面的更迭其實我是認為外交部也應該要盡力的把現在的一些政經的變化情勢的變化能夠要羅列出來會讓委員其實也更詳盡的了解到目前我們的國際友邦都在 |
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但是他可能政黨不一樣或者是政治領袖不一樣所以我還是站在雖然說立委只能砍預算啦但是這筆預算我還是支持同意去做的因為其實就像剛剛徐小新委員所說的立法院包括這個我們的韓院長或者是像江副院長也帶過跨黨派的團去所以這些預算我想其實都有他的必要性 |
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我建議啦,就是我知道委員都真的很用心良苦但是是不是我們一千萬來做檢列部長這一筆我就說我們省這麼多預算剛剛有一些我們大概都是採取凍結的部分你要去做發展或者要有什麼樣去衍生新的就是說我們要建立新的關係那個都沒有話說這一筆預算是因為其實它就是 |
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很明確的大概就是在交通費還有這種交流的費用上面其實他是很明確的他的增幅太高他高達62%以上那我們沒有辦法想像說因為你說我們有新的他們有新的選舉 |
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你就是跟新的建立關係因為你就不是去拜訪舊的我們每年都是這樣這一筆從過去審到現在都是這樣因為我們是看到說你真的是暴增太多剛剛的理由我們覺得真的是我覺得兩千萬應該是部長可以接受啦因為你多了一億四千多萬你又讓已經可以增加很多了這個部分我們要拜託 |
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委員﹚ |
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22385.481 |
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這一個部分就是你就是多少人去我不知道你要怎麼用你可以增加到這麼多要怎麼說服大家用這一筆增加這麼多的預算我覺得很難講欸 |
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22397.569 |
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當然同仁求好心切委員如果有設定這個數字那就允許我們科目自行調整在這個範圍內謝謝就2000萬那142是要一起併案嗎 |
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141 142就併案然後馬文俊委員的提案簡列2000萬元科目自行調整接下來143到144 |
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22431.739 |
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| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
歐洲市市長黃俊耀報告有關於這個部分的增加主要是因為以歐洲市為例 |
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22443.078 |
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我們在2024年大概可以以現在預算可以要到300名的歐洲貴賓但是在疫情之前我們大概一年可以有400名的邀訪那主要的原因是因為過去這幾年因為二五戰爭之後的通膨大幅成長 |
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但是以目前的情況而言我們常常很多管處分配不到邀訪的預算比如說我們在歐洲有8個辦事處那這8個辦事處都幾乎都沒有辦法邀訪但是地方跟中央的政要事實上是互相流通的 |
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．．． |
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22502.555 |
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22515.892 |
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在過去的這一年歐洲有非常多的選舉包括歐洲議會的重新選舉所以現在歐洲議會是新的歐洲議會那我們也希望跟新的歐洲議員加強交往 |
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22536.525 |
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與此同時因為歐洲的議員跟各國的國會議員事實上是互相聯通的因此我們也希望透過跟歐洲的議會以及各國的國會加強交往另外在智庫方面我們也希望有助於各國政府形塑他的外交政策 |
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22538.506 |
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22555.438 |
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通過加強跟智庫以及學者專家意見領袖的邀訪能夠對於台灣對歐的外交有進一步的幫助最後一點就是剛剛委員有提到明年因為川普政府的上台 |
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22578.009 |
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將來在新的地緣政治可能會有一些改變我們也希望藉由掌握這個時機能夠跟歐洲的政要能夠加強的交往希望能夠跟台灣不管全球的局勢怎麼變也都能夠跟台灣持續的加強往來以及對台灣外交的支持以上報告 |
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22579.369 |
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22595.366 |
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我補充一下簡單講齁現在全世界都對台灣人很好奇那我們的管處卻排不到一年邀請一團我覺得基本齁要讓他有KPI因為我後來發現說欸啊這個管處說你多厲害啊你都邀訪不到重要的人 |
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22596.047 |
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22612.06 |
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那你根本就表示你在地的工作有問題嘛所以我在歐洲跟美國啦我在這方面我是希望加強那個邀訪的預算以外齁其實有些subnational的在美國在走向這是川普的支持者很多都是州 |
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非傳統建制派的那個其實我們就去分析完之後邀請的時候在這個時候未來效果是最好那歐洲確實我這次去歐洲這個地區的匯報30個管處他們反映的就是想要邀但是沒有緣額所以這個部分因為這個KPI是很實際來一個人之後他的體驗帶回去之後可能一輩子就是變成我們的台灣的代言人 |
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所以我覺得外交預算花在邀訪的效果是最直接那也是我們去檢驗管處同仁他們的工作績效所以我是希望說這是我主動加上去的 |
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22654.218 |
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22654.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
李處理委員 |
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22682.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
22683.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
法定人數不足 |
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| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
22714.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
議員．． |
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22715.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
22739.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
西亞非洲地區那麼反而人數是減少的但是我覺得就現在我們國際合作上面這兩個地區反而是應該要增加那我可以把這個所謂的凍結都改成主決議我是支持這個預算但是我希望你們在人數上面的思考要能夠增加相關的員額因為就像部長說的人來過台灣或者是我們出去過交流那個感情就會不一樣 |
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22759.551 |
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但是我還是要有一個報告好不好?我是凍結1500萬剛剛部長有說明可是我們還是希望說可能我們當然是希望要更多的國家或者有適當的對象 |
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22760.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
22760.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
王迪委員 |
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22783.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
22783.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
馬文君委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
22800.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
22821.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
我們國家利益是一樣的我們可以一起協同作戰CPTPP國家國會能不能通過或者他們國家的局勢那我們就要看到外交部有努力去邀訪秘魯團啊新加坡團啊就是說這些有重點工作的邀訪來然後來到立法院我們外交國防委員會可以當主人嘛我們可以host嘛 |
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22829.928 |
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另外還有一些國家明明跟我們很密切可是他們的國會議員來每次都用私人名義都不組團來就在部長的領導下我們每年這樣行李如意以外 |
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22838.727 |
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我是建議凍結200啦不曉得那個毛主委員跟您處理委員 |
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22860.744 |
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22861.525 |
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第133案、140案並入第128案然後第136案改組決議接下來145案 |
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22894.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
22894.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
外交部拉美師 |
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22904.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
22926.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
論理委員的意思就是外交部這些年來在這個國際合作跟關懷的部分就是預算是逐年增加但是執行率卻是有下降的趨勢啦那所以說他希望能夠針對這個部分能夠要提出一定的這個報告跟檢討對那麼外交部在這裡有沒有什麼樣的回應還是我們就直接先定到146到156一起討論 |
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147的部分呢因為裡面沒有寫說 |
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22949.699 |
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22954.621 |
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153案的部分呢我希望能夠凍結50萬主要是針對帛琉的那個霸凌調查的部分希望能夠儘速完成那經過同意時的通過以上 |
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145案156案 |
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23006.01 |
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以147案為主題案徐曉琴委員的主題案凍結10萬元然後提出面報告之後使得凍資然後另提153案徐曉琴委員的提案凍結50萬提出面報告之後使得凍資 |
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23025.546 |
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他有說經同意嗎?這個嗎?有嗎?好那153案補充一下要併經同意使得動之好接下來157案到178案等一下那148 156已經被併到哪裡去不好意思我剛剛全部都併在一起了併到147案接下來157到178案 |
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主席 這個157案 容許我來報告一下我是國經司 連玉萍那最近這個案子呢 我聞有 昭偉有關心就是說我們國和會轉投資的這個台農發的這個案件那這個案件呢 我們有跟昭偉來報告過那現在目前呢 因為這個我們並非是這個台農發的這個董事 |
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因為在112年的時候他的董監事改選那按照他的公司章程這個公司已經他的7名的董監事都是由農委會就是現在的農業部來部長來提名 |
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雖然如此雖然我們不能成為他的董監事但是他在股東常會的時候我們都有去參加並且監督他的相關的議程還有會議發進行的情形那所以說這個部分呢是不是有我們有跟委員的辦公室有跟委員報告過那也澄清委員本案可以改為主決議或者是用什麼方式就不要來動篡我們的相關的預算謝謝 |
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好了,我這個案子改組決議委員馬文清委員我的好像還蠻多的這個大概也是針對我們的執行率的部分可能164、166、170這個部分有些執行率大概很多都是只有30%或者甚至10% |
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這個執行率都非常的低那我們現在的預算一直在增加的情況之下可是我們的執行率好像拉美跟那個加勒比海的這個也都48而已然後10%是剛剛說非洲的部分那像亞東這個也是太平洋島國的這些大概也都只有30% |
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﹗ |
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就是本席提出來的我們希望至少可以並安動解然後一併去說明因為他可能我們所有的區域跟國家不一樣可是他在執行上面執行率這麼低的情況要怎麼做改善可以一併的提出說明 |
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我提案第158案在第5幕的國際合作及關懷向下加強雙邊及多邊合作這是透過不管是國際組織機構提供給我們友邦基礎設施、農業、農漁業、礦業等等一方面如同馬委員所提的事實上保留數相當高 |
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保留數高在執行上到底遭遇什麼困難或者有些保留是有意義的保留要讓我們知道有的是因為這牽涉到跨國嘛他們國家慢了所以我要保留下來等他 |
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那我現在如果把他拿掉了他未來問題這要說明清楚第二個像某一些以前我們的邦交國本來白蝦都在賣我們技術也是我們教的農牧也都我們教的然後呢他現在就這個見利忘義就跑掉了嘛那跑掉之後他們整個白蝦就垮掉了那我們透過這種農漁業的合作基礎建設的合作當然現在都是針對邦交國我倒是希望部長可以去思考某一些現在沒有邦交的對象 |
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能不能透過一種友善的gesture一種友善的方式也許不在這個向下啦我們也外交嘛外交就是作戰有弓有手不會我們一旦在那邊守在圍城裡面只有被包圍的份也就是說透過台灣的強項我們的經貿我們的農漁科技等等那這種國際合作多邊關懷 |
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如果老是在花大錢撒大幣挖我們邦交國的對象知道說我們搞不好也會跟非邦交國進行相關農業合作他的防守面積變大耗費的資源會更大那我們可能那個一塊錢他可能要花個一兩百塊錢所以這個是我提這個案子希望外交部有一些策略性的做法那另外保留數也確實偏高我沒有看到很具體的理由為什麼從105年到112年 |
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保留數增加了快4倍啦所以我提案凍結200萬我是說明一下剛剛委員提到確實是一個重點比如說我們在史瓦帝尼不是只有做史瓦帝尼外交我們現在那個技職的訓練還有包括我們的所謂的數位資訊的中心 |
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一線在周邊的國家我們也會把他納入不像賴索托或者是說靈靜的那在菲律賓這個例子就最特別明顯雖然不是邦交國但是我們國和會當然如果能夠甚至在斐濟我們我們的 |
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國防委員會議 |
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那剛剛委員提到先前是不是有一些因為斷交或是什麼其他的因素在執行上面我們當然我會再去做檢視總之就是雙邊關係要發展成一個地區的一個經營公防那另外一個是結合美日等友好國家那是最近的除了破羅的海在巴爾幹半島或其他的地區 |
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委員會議 |
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實習機會在盧安達那是標示在日內瓦 |
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就是說很多類似這樣的狀況一而再再而三的出現齁類似這樣子的地方我們是希望對就是把工作機會說在盧安達有阿其實他的實在地在日內玩或者是在工作機會是在日內玩然後你給他標示在盧安達就是說資訊錯誤的這種狀況是常常出現而且齁台灣作為正式會員的組織資訊WTOADB跟RMFO上都沒有出現在地圖上面喔我們這次 |
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要凍結這50萬是要撤離相關單位來去更新趕快去把這些有些錯誤趕快去做一些修正之後那只要提出書面報告就可以凍支這是第160的部分那161其實就是剛才幾個我們幾位議員的同仁都談到的就是質詢率越來越低的狀況那我們還是希望說提出專案報告同意之後來再去凍支因為這個其實年度預算是非常龐大的那我們是希望說不要 |
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為了做而做是有幫跟我們都彼此都有得到這些相關的利害我們在做 |
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麻雀委員剛剛其他委員有說明我們在執行率這麼偏低的情況之下我們預算是不是要這麼高因為我們在提案的時候大概有減劣的部分所以是不是應該要一併去檢討看看如果那個不需要有這麼高的經費該減就要減 |
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那另外應該要怎麼樣去精進的部分用凍結的方式我們可以平安凍結好我的還沒講我的163案因為台灣身為中美洲銀行的最大股東總任股約大新台幣200多億但卻每年都不斷的投入經費但是都是 |
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外交部主管 |
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163這一個案子我凍結200然後提書案書再提書面報告才使得凍結凍結用馬尾圓的凍結我用我的 |
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好,那我們現在來講157到178一個157案領域局委員提的變主決議然後159案徐曉欣提案也變成主決議 |
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還有167案徐曉清委員的提案已變成主決議然後其他的就163案為主案凍結兩百萬其他為共同提案人然後提書面報告之後使得凍支然後164案馬文君委員提案三減四百萬科目自行調整 |
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你後面的結果是兩百還是四百?現在是要兩百還是馬文俊委員?來三百?好啦好啦,那就三百啦,三百啦可以嗎?外交部可以嗎?好,那就簡略三百,科目自行調整不過他們順便幫大家說明一下為什麼保留數這麼高 |
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23745.557 |
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委員所詢問的部分,外交部的回覆都要再稍微報告那個保留數達到4成這一定要說明否則你今年過關明年還是會被頂一樣嘛接下來179到182案 |
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179-182案 |
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23811.564 |
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澳洲市黃俊耀報告有關於原屋的部分呢我們有注意到委員所垂詢的相關的事項包括當地的政府的治理等等但是我們現在在推動上面我們有一套非常完整的執行跟監督的機制包括從請願 |
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．．．． |
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委員會委員長 |
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23881.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
那或者醫資那醫院的重修還有聯外道路的重修消防車水罐車油罐車的採購還有對於比如說透過愛沙尼亞跟第一婦人基金會有關於孤兒的照顧那等等的我們都有一具相關的規定在辦理那這個目前因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
委員．． |
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| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
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主要是國際合作還有關懷還有對國際之關懷救助跟重建相關的業務費這個編了3億明年編3億比上個年度也增加了2億9900多萬 |
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23936.99 |
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怎麼會增加那麼多?應該不…那他們可能有寫錯去年我們先講這個部分因為這個在我們剛剛說的亞非斯的部分就是它的執行率都偏低這是第一點那第二個就是我們對於捷克我們當時我們說我們提供的這個經費其實主要那時候跟我們說的是醫療 |
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23944.532 |
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23953.579 |
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說的是在暫時我們要提供給他們的醫療協助可是剛剛市長念的好像什麼發動機啊什麼什麼沒有沒有我現在說的是你現在我說的是我們之前有一筆預算是針對透過捷克去協助烏克蘭那主要全部都是針對對都是醫療的部分所以你剛剛講的那些是另外的的像像 |
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| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
大概多少錢? |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
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這個部分沒有我有算過了一千萬美金大概三億OK第一期三百萬美金美金是國內的還是就是我們的執行方式就是跟他的所推薦的單位一起合作就之前委員在立法院執行的時候沒有報告 |
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24034.576 |
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24039.04 |
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所以捷克的部分他們你說的300萬是第一階段的1000萬裡面的300萬那300萬含我們國內採購的醫療用品的部分那醫療用品你們有去檢視過那個是符合暫時使用的醫療用品嗎?你們認為是嗎? |
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24055.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
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是的因為我們有依據對方提供的資料也有提供給毛委員的辦公室一個很清楚的清單好我現在要說的就是我認為這個不是暫時需要的因為我甚至請我們軍醫局相關的還有很多的醫院醫療院所他們去看過就他我們給他們什麼 |
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愛普定免疫定量分析儀這個部分這是一個新創公司他們生產的一個東西他是要測驗你的生物標誌這一種通常會用來診斷跟監測改善你的健康狀況提供你的診療的依據 |
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所以我們買這個部分這個是適用在家庭跟診所的這是一點另外一個還有一個就是可吸式的心電突擊他大概是在偵測我們心血管疾病這樣子相關的醫療用品可是你們在這個提供就是在我們台灣採購的相關的醫療用品裡面其實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
我問過相關的跟軍事相關的如果在戰場上這些東西根本不需要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
他會需要什麼東西因為現在國防部也在編列相關的預算如果在暫時或者發生重大天然災害的時候他需要的可能是像抽吸裝置多功能的抽吸裝置影像輔助插管裝置置氧機雪袋 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
24163.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
24176.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
就是因為大概都會大量的出血你斷手斷腳或者甚至非常大的傷口大概都是需要血液那血液他可能要有一個冷藏箱他必須要提供這樣相關的這些 |
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24182.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
血液的一個補充然後還有醫療吸行箱等等其實這些可能才是我們需要的可是我看到我們買的掃描器啦分析儀尤其分析儀跟我剛剛講的那個心電圖機都是用在家庭式的就你平常在檢測我的血壓有沒有太高啊我的心臟的那個狀況怎麼樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
這怎麼會是我們用這種緊急需求的醫療我們要去救助烏克蘭這樣的一個人道援助應該買的東西我覺得這個有必要去查查清楚而且就我看到那個數量跟那個金額我算起來可能不到一千萬台幣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
24222.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
所以如果就這樣我們捐出去的錢到底是怎麼被怎麼樣的使用因為這個是救命錢我們希望我們既然是要做人道援助你還是應該要很到位而且真的落實到要去救助那些傷患或者在在戰場上需要的這些人我看到我們這個是很離譜這個可能要查查清楚 |
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可以跟委員補充報告嗎就是說您剛提到那個艾普定免疫定量分析儀我們有去詢問過他說因為現在戰區他那個抗生素用藥太多了又產生抗藥性所以他們在診斷的時候他們要去先檢測C反應蛋白 |
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那用來確定說這個是病毒性或細菌性的感染市長 這個你去問相關的人員這個我已經全部都問過了我看到你們提供的這些器材以後我去問過了不管是榮總也好 不管是三總也好 不管是軍醫局也好 不管是相關的單位所有在那你如果受到緊急的重傷你還會去測他的你還會去用他的抗生素去檢測那個都是沒有必要的 |
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說它的抗生素已經有達到抗藥性那是台灣可能在某些部分有抗藥性你說在那裡其實它所有的抗生素它有的藥品能用就會用上了它沒有辦法有多到說你抗藥性以後我先來測你的那個發炎的 |
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這個趙薇可能也是這一方面應該也是專業如果在緊急的狀況你還會去培養他的細菌然後再去看他的發言指數然後再需要怎麼投藥嗎在戰場上是不是這樣子做的所以這個部分我覺得他們買的東西有點怪跟委員報告可能有誤解也許我們沒有講清楚就是說我們是在他們戰區有受損那所以醫療院所不方便的情況下 |
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市長你沒有聽清楚我講的話剛剛這些東西都是適合用在家庭跟診所的 |
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在即使你是戰場醫療即使不是前線你即使是後就是沒有辦法即使送到其他的醫療院所也不是使用這些我剛剛念給你的也是我們現在國防部在準備未來如果我們有可能發生什麼樣的狀況的情況之下我們現在要採購的東西那一樣是在發就是你的我們想定的那些場景 |
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不管是烏克蘭他已經在發聲了他買的都還是還不是我們我們相關的人員認為那個根本不會用到的一個產品這樣是非常離譜的我們今天有捐了這麼多錢而且前面已經有撥過這些人道援助的經費這是最近的一筆所以我們在這個部分希望可以好好的 |
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不管他是透過誰你透過民間團體更沒有辦法去掌握說他到底有沒有那個不是說質疑不質疑的問題你今天如果要做你就要能夠承擔得起包括對方的一個單位你也要承擔得起讓大家檢視因為這個都是大家捐出來的錢大家是要給烏克蘭所有需要的民眾使用的 |
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我剛剛看到了因為我去詢問過最不需要的就是這些東西你應該還有更多的東西不管他是不是緊急受到戰傷發生的狀況也不會是這些東西所以這個部分請外交部這個部分是不是部長 |
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我可以再跟他們協調看看因為這是救命錢我要強調這是救命錢他如果可以買藥品他就應該買藥品他應該買止血帶他應該買其他的東西甚至你買抗生素都比這個有效怎麼會那時候還在測你這個而且他的新電圖他用的是新創的他是用一次急丟的那種貼片那你貼片如果用完了勒 |
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你怎麼會買的是這種東西因為我們的貼片以前是可以重複使用的嘛可是有時候會貼錯它這個是新發明就是說它意思可以在比較精準可是它用完它就丟了如果你用過幾次然後沒有這些貼片那它這個儀器也沒用了所以我們買這些東西我們在這裡要特別提出來就是請檢視這一筆錢應該要怎麼樣 |
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委員會提醒也會立即請這個合作方提出解釋跟檢視 |
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第二點就是說其實我們現在看到的是向台灣買的他並不是醫院的買的所有的東西那我們會來一起來進行檢視部長這個部分我也有意見就是說主席不好意思因為你如果說我們好不容易把錢捐出去剛剛你們在增加很多預算的時候是說我們的可能包括我們的航運啊貨運啊 |
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24569.367 |
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都暴漲他的那個不管是機票或運的錢都暴漲所以你們增加了很多預算可是我們這個要送給烏克蘭的我們居然要求他在台灣買而且你在台灣買你跟我們的廠商採購你還要再寄過去你又要這些運費那你白白的浪費掉我們本來要救助的這樣的心意這個也是不對的所以我們這樣的要求到底意義在哪裡我們不曉得 |
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黃德偉委員 |
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24641.568 |
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我針對這個179案就是對於國際之間的一個關懷援助還有重建那烏克蘭的連結問題一直受到一個關注尤其是如今即便在戰爭期間仍然發生的貪腐的案件更讓人擔心的是我國對烏克蘭的援助是透過 |
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好（那 |
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法定人數不足 |
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因為這個部分我動的比較多是因為我覺得這一筆是非常不合理啦不然好啊各動部長這個部分我們可以把它稍微降一些可是我們希望部長可以重視我們剛剛講的我們各動好不好不然它理由不一樣好我們把它動500好不好本來3000要多少 |
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179案與黃仁委員提案 |
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181案徐曉新委員提案照列182案馬文君委員提案凍結300萬提書面報告之後 |
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並經同意使得動之接下來183到188案是 召會各位委員好秘書處針對183到188案營建工程之構建住外機構管設案提案委員有林淑英委員徐小新委員馬文君委員黃崙委員陳永康委員王定宇委員 |
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都已經到委員辦公室說明或提供書面資料那這8億3100萬針對的是我們注雪梨辦事處的管社購置經費所以懇請委員同意改組決議謝謝 |
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來您處理委員事實上我們提這個凍結案只是希望能夠相關的購置的部分可以更清楚而不是阻止啦或者是說反對這筆預算因為像這一次我再次提到我到歐洲國家去訪問比如說我們在歐盟的時候那個管處才剛剛落成而且如果根據我跟當地的台商的了解在購買到現在落成之後其實這個房產的市值增加非常的多所以我覺得這個方向是對的啦 |
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因為與其租屋然後你在很多的天購的過程中很多都是不確定的而且也可能會被漲房價那麼只是我們希望要求的是能夠 |
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24835.677 |
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華仁委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
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毛軍委員配合其他委員凍結那我們 |
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公諾提案 |
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好那我們我先講那個184是徐巧欣委員提案變改成主決議然後187陳永康委員提案改成主決議然後其他的其他的案子以183民主委員提案為主案凍結100萬提書面報告之後使得凍資接下來189 |
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第73案陳永康提案修正為主決議 |
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現在增加主決議第199至199至25案共25案請議事人員宣讀宣讀新增的主決議在座各位如有需要可以自行自由離座 |
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宣讀新增支組決議第199之一案114年度外交部預算案於稅入第四款財產收入向下第85項外交部之第一幕財產支息第二節租金收入編列預算2319萬元請外交部積極鼓勵各住在國與專用區籌設辦公室以發揮國有財產之效益提案人委員黃人等人 |
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25001.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
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第199之二案外交部至110年1月起清查檔案以辦理搬遷檔案至北投檔案大樓。（原請外交部持續加速辦理機密檔案清查及核定作業提案人委員黃仁等人。第199之三案114年度外交部預算案第一幕一般行政向下資訊處理預算編列2億8589萬2000元 |
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25032.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
25044.639 |
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外交部公文屢遭案往公布顯見資安防護意識不足且屢有資安違規及使用中國大陸商品服務情勢之問題外交部應積極辦理提案人委員陳永康等人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
25078.096 |
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第199支持案據外交部113年度之安見檢發現部分人員有安裝未放合軟體部分作業系統及相關軟體版本未更新手機利用公務電腦充電使用者勿起社交工作演練郵件等違規情形請外交部加強落實之安稽查以建構安全資訊環境提案人委員王定宇等人 |
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25079.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
25103.697 |
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第199支五案114年度外交部預算案第二幕外交管理業務向下各地區工作匯報編列預算1899萬三千元今年受疫情影響外交部各地區工作匯報或有取消或改以通訊方式執行請外交部與兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人 |
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25106.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
25134.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
第199支6案114年度外交部預算案第二幕外交管理業務向下外交領事人員進修中業務費本計劃系辦理外交領事人員進修所需經費為使外交部同仁遭遇性騷擾及職場霸凌事件時能有申訴並獲處妥善之處理請外交部於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員王定宇等人 |
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25136.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
25157.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
第199支期案114年度外交部預算案第二幕外交管理業務向下外交及國際法學研究獎學金設置編列預算115萬元外交部設置外交及國際法研究獎學金自110年起至113年每年申請獎學金之論文篇數 |
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25159.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
25170.655 |
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數量偏低請外交部與兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人第一九九之八案 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
25172.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
25189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
有關我國與越南駕照相互承認與換發一事違反互惠平等狀況,請外交部及交通部針對我國與越南駕照換發事宜進行確認及檢討並提出相關書面報告。提案人委員徐巧欣等人。第199之9案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
25222.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
114年度外交部預算案第3目向下編列駐外文化中心基本行政工作維持業務費編列預算2982萬8千元。經媒體披露,文化部駐紐約文化中心張信主任（具名檢舉霸凌,請文化部與外交部競速協助調查相關案件,提出報告並提出霸凌申訴管道精進措施,提案委員徐曉新等人。 |
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25224.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
25234.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
第199支持案114年度外交部預算案第4目向下參與國際組織活動派員出席南海會議東協及周邊組織會議亞洲開發銀行及中美洲銀行聯會相關會議等經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
25243.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
25268.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
繼續48457000元我國身為中美洲銀行最大股東去年曾爆出該銀行款項資助獨裁者且會員國已多非我邦交國在中美洲銀行不斷爭執的情形下是否需要援助其他國家繳納股款實屬相當有爭議請外交部與6個月內向立法院及外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐曉新等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
25271.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
25300.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
第199執席議案114年度外交部預算案第4目向下協助各國國際交流活動亞東太平洋司預算編列8025000元外國旅客來臺人數不如預期請外交部亞太司統整114年度可協助我國推廣國內觀光並且深入交流促進經濟貿易與其他交流之相關計劃提案人委員徐曉新等人 |
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25303.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
25312.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
第199之12案114年度外交部預算案第4目向下協助各種國際交流活動中業務費,學術交流活動預算編列1億3837萬2千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
25323.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
25347.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
據外交部含秘密法院113年度中央政府總預算決議學術交流活動歐洲式預算凍結20萬元書面報告本院決議案中曾提及加強歐洲地區華語文計劃其致用率偏低工作執行未如預期恐有檢討改善之必要為外交部含秘密本院次報告說明卻對此事隻字未提 |
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| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
25372.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
針對外交部在推動與歐盟及英法德及中東等歐洲國家之重要智庫合作之績效因在外交部官方網站上公開辦理計劃成果及特色訊息揭露為外交部在此報告內亦無正面回應此事請外交部於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
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25373.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
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第199之13案一百一十四年度外交部預算第四幕向下協助各種國際交流活動歐洲斯文化交流活動三歐洲斯預算經費計需一千三百八十二萬元受補助團體赴歐洲表演計畫及一百一十三年度成像上代說明請外交部於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告體驗人委員黃人等人 |
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第199致實施案114年度外交部預算第4目向下協助各種國際交流活動中業務費亞東太平洋斯經濟經貿交流活動依亞東太平洋斯預算編列843萬4千元此預算編列預算 |
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顯有落差今年起臺北舉辦第10次臺日漁業委員會除討論臺日漁業協議適用海域的漁船作業規則外其他事項如同去年第9次會議結論相同 |
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如今外交部編列預算較去年有縮減是否會影響到未來我方與日方之後續談判作業請外交部於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人第199之15案 |
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114年度外交部預算第4目向下協助各種國際交流活動歐洲司及其他協助各國國際交流活動歐洲司預算編列1887萬元請外交部提出與立陶宛政府與外交關係分析報告以及對於將來因應對策被要求改名之計劃於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐曉新等人 |
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第199之16案114年度外交部第4目向下協助各種國際交流活動中業務費之一般事務費條約法律師預算編列六十四萬五千元其中仍有與德國簽訂之駐德國臺北代表處與德國在台協會形式施法互助協議 |
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等3項上代立法院完成協議將有助於我國與各國之施法互助提案委員王定宇的人第199之17案查我國與德國土瓦魯聖魯西亞等國與2023年陸續簽訂之施法互助協議條約上代立法院完成審議 |
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提案人委員陳冠廷等人第199之18案建請外交部積極推動相關機關與各國洽簽司法互助協定以健全我國跨境司法合作體系確保司法正義得以實現並維護社會秩序提案人委員林柱英等人第199之19案 |
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114年度外交部預算第4目向下協助各種國際交流活動條約法律師預算編列64萬5千元截至113年9月中旬與我國簽訂引渡條約協定者計5國已交受行人條約協定者6國施法互助條約協定者13國尚未生效者系與德國簽訂之處德國臺北代表處與德國在台協會行事施法互助協議 |
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前節三項條約待立法院完成審議提案人委員 |
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林毅君等人第199至20案114年度外交部預算第5目向下加強雙邊及多邊合作亞西及非洲斯預算編列16億5010萬3000元項目說明過於概括及模糊為避免預算腐爛編列或淪為他用請外交部於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案委員徐曉新等人 |
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第199支二十一案一百四十四年度外交部預算案第六目一般建築及設備第一節引進工程向下構建駐外機構管關設過駐雪梨辦事處編列預算八億三千一百四十九萬六千元我國近年來進行駐外管處構置以編列龐大預算卻常有計劃延遲或 |
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請外交部與6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐小新等人第199之22案請外交部提出欲汰換資車輛連線品牌毀損情形以及欲購置車輛價格品牌等清單表列 |
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並於6個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐巧欣等人第199至23案請外交部提出中美洲銀行相關投資計畫銀行未來增資與貸款放款標準並確保所編列之預算不會被挪用至協助其他國繳納股款提案人委員徐巧欣等人 |
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第199至24案國和會配合政策轉投資臺灣國際農業開發股份有限公司因該公司初期經營不善107及111年度任列損失691萬元及565萬4千元且111年度因該公司減資而被註銷股份125萬6千4百36股 |
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外交部允移積極監督必提升績效及達成政策目標提案人委員林益君等人第199至25案 |
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外交部114年媒體政策及業務宣導預算大幅增編由以多媒體管道辦理公眾溝通案增加近八成之多卻未見具體規劃執行請外交部於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳永康等人第199至26案 |
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114年度外交部預算案第6目一般建築及設備第一屆營建工程項下構建駐外機構管管關設預算編列8億3149萬6千元外交部規劃於15年內完成16處駐外管設置構置請外交部於3個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳永康等人宣讀完畢 |
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190案其說明外交部委員辦公室報告將遵照辦 |
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191案請說明文字修正通過192案請說明 |
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193案請說明 |
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文字修正通過194案 |
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我們有建議修正文字是否依照修正文字辦理文字修正通過195案請說明195案正式辦理照案通過196案請說明 |
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196耶196對不是有修正文字嗎那就要依照修正文字不是嗎不用修有依照修正文字嗎好依照修正文字照請照修正文字辦理嗎好文字修正通過197案請說明197案依照修正文字辦理文字修正通過198案請說明報告198案遵照辦理 |
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照案通過199案請說明照案通過199-1請說明專照辦理 |
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文字修正通過照案通過199之2遵照辦理照案通過199之3遵照辦理照案通過199之4遵照辦理照案通過199之5遵照辦理照案通過199之6遵照辦理照案通過199之7遵照辦理照案通過199之8遵照辦理 |
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照案通過199-9 遵照辦理照案通過199-10 遵照辦理照案通過199-11 遵照辦理照案通過199-12 遵照辦理照案通過199-13 遵照辦理 |
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遭案通過199-14遭案通過199-15遭案通過199-16遭案通過199-17遭案通過199-18遭案通過199-19 |
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照案通過199-20 遵照辦理照案通過199-21 遵照辦理照案通過199-22 遵照辦理照案通過199-23 遵照辦理照案通過199-24 遵照辦理照案通過199-25 遵照辦理照案通過199-26 遵照辦理照案通過 |
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好接下來是理事事務局的預算提案兩百案請說明 |
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好 謝謝第200案是有關領悟行政規費收入的數額我們有跟提案委員陳冠廷陳委員做辦公室做說明獲得同意是增列規費收入的數額由5億元調整為2億元改增列2億元OK好那200案陳冠廷委員提案增列 |
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201案201案是一般行政向下基本行政工作維持那這個提案委員陳冠廷陳委員主要是我們在編列這個一些像大樓管理費的這些經費增加的原因的說明那經過這個跟委員辦公室溝通這個商議之後呢同意免於簡列 |
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那主席我們是不是可以201做主題案201到205我們就動100萬這樣你說201當主題案對然後到哪裡201是單獨的喔抱歉不同科目欸201單獨應該是202到205啦202到205對對抱歉202到2020是不是對 |
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不是201的話我們是照列嗎對201201照列那我們接下來202到201照列然後202到205是不是以我們205當主題案然後就凍結總共就是凍結100萬凍100對凍100嗎 |
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可以嗎?可以嗎?那個外交部可以嗎?你趕快把報告交上來就沒有問題了你趕快沒問題外交部可以嗎?林務局做個說明因為四位提案委員那有兩位委員是已經同意改組決議所以現在是就是說就是黃委員那邊是改組決議羅美玲羅委員好我202案也改組決議 |
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202委員改組決議203委員改組決議204委員改組決議205委員改組決議206 |
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206案是那個領事事務管理向下的印製申請表格及須知的這個提案委員陳冠廷委員我們跟陳委員辦公室也做過說明那獲得同意免於凍結 |
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我後來在看你們那邊出國旅行安全使用手冊你說已經降為3000冊一年那我是想說如果不需要的話一冊都不用如果需要的話那就要編到滿就是我目前沒有聽過任何一個國人會在要看什麼出國旅行安全使用手冊所以這個部分我是希望說是不是能夠做一個改進一下還是就凍結大概 |
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| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
委員會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
完全尊重所以說對於中華民國駐外機構緊急聯絡資訊我就沒有多做這個監督嗎因為那本來就需要的簽證防偽貼紙也需要的中華民國文件資本這些都需要領悟表格都需要但是出國旅行安全使用手冊他的需要性是不是來考量一下凍結20萬這樣好可以嗎外交部可以嗎那個領悟就可以 |
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這三案都是領事事務管理向下加強領務服務工作 |
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當中因為提案委員有三位委員包括林楚瑩林委員陳冠廷陳委員兩位委員抱歉那這個經過說明後第209案是獲得同意免於凍結 |
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那領委員的部分是同意免於免於檢列但是凍結部分的金額未定那基本上你們這個是6400多萬嘛那我就是希望你們在做一些警示調整的部分只要給我一個期程報告書那我是凍100萬那你們就可以解凍那要不要207 208 209就一併以我的案子來做凍100萬 |
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207、208、209案就併案處理以林楚瑩委員提案207案為主案勞動節100萬提出書面報告之後使得動資 |
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| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
動静 |
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主席我是建議如果跳過就不在反正他已經不在很久也不是一下子我們就不要處理了就他的案子就不要處理 |
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202和205202和205 |
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新增商案204205204有提供是不是有他有簽 |
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主席有沒有可能我們先往下走到國際事務的部分然後印資料的部分等一下再回來處理再來念好啦那我們就20我們我們就往下 |
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那210案 |
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我們現在看主決議210案請說明依照修正文字辦理文字修正通過211案請說明捲照辦理照案通過212案依照修正文字辦理文字修正通過213案依照修正文字辦理文字修正通過 |
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國際事務學院預算提案214215216217案請說明 |
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第214案是陳冠廷委員提的有關114年度外交學院預算案第二幕短期進修專業訓練及國際交流的部分。學院已經在12月6日派員向陳委員辦公室說明,懇請委員同意將本案改列主決議。 |
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因為我看這邊這個年度預算從1112年是1194萬然後1113年是1500萬那本年度的預算是1800多萬那裡面的你說所列的這個計劃他是比較112年度以執行的計劃都是繼續性的計劃所以我是希望增加這個經費的理由啦所以你覺得20%沒有辦法那如果動這個10%你們可以嗎 |
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委員．． |
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那217該主決議 |
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216是林楚英委員提案,有關學院預算第二幕外交領事人員講習短期建修專業訓練及國際交流的部分。學院在12月6日派人向林委員辦公室說明, |
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並依照指示提供2019年到現在的預算跟參訊人員相關數據送給委員參考,所以懇請委員同意將本案改列主決議。 |
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其實我還是希望齁就是這些友好的國家在來台的人數上面能夠有一些增加啦那我希望你們其實要提出的是可以增加的一個計畫那這個預算其實很高一千多萬但是我只動十五萬其實都是意思意思而已啦我覺得你們其實應該是要在三個月內想出一些增加的方式那預算其實也不影響才十五萬所以我就是動十五維持動十五萬你們趕快把報告交上來就可以用好謝謝好謝謝委員好 |
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那214案陳冠廷委員提案凍結10%提出書面報告之後使得凍資215案陳冠廷委員提案改組決議216案林柱英委員提案凍結15萬提書面報告之後使得凍資217案陳冠廷委員提案改組決議 |
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接下來主決議218案請說明我們是依照修正文字辦沒有修正文字阿他有修正文字嗎我們遵照辦理照案通過219案也是遵照辦理照案通過 |
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這個齁?所以他 這邊也有喔?好 蓋出去好 那往前還沒有送來謝謝主任好 謝謝好 謝謝請簽名喔那個時候委員都簽了嗎?對要先錄一下 |
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議事事務局預算新增主決議5案請摘要宣讀 |
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宣讀第213之一案 |
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國人出國旅遊或有與海外發生極端事件者, 警視數據原建制旅外安全指南行動應用程式及帶官方帳號,協助國人得以隨時隨地獲得必要資訊,且兩者功能擁有部分雷同為旅外安全指南行動應用 |
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陳氏下載次數遠低於賴官方帳號人數按其服務人數較少恐致效益不彰予以探究其原因並檢討改善請外交部與一個月內向立法請外交部臨時事務局向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員林益君等人第213之二案 |
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外交部領事事務局旅外安全指南行動應用程式自101年建置以來﹐各年度新增下載次數約在7000至7萬次間﹐10餘年總累積下載次數僅476000餘次﹐反觀在官方帳號建置次 |
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年新增好友數及達73.3萬人以遠超旅外安全指南行動應用程式總累積下載次數顯示國人偏好使用LINE官方帳號亦或應該帳號提供較多元之服務功能致使使用人數較高帶領式事務局予以探究原因必完善旅外服務資訊提案人委員盧敏寧等人第213之3號 |
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第213支三案114年度外交部臨時事務局預算案第二目向下基本行政工作維持中設備及投資本局簽證、自發系統升級、文件證明系統再造開發改版及臉部辨識比對、軟體措權等購置經費計需2102萬5千元 |
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此設備構思案有關文件證明系統再造開發改版及臉部辨識比對軟體授權用途功能及必要性並為完整說明請理事事務局於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳冠廷等人現在宣讀第219之一案 |
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114年度外交部外交及國際事務學院預算案第二幕外交領事人員講習第一節外交領事人員訓練向下外交人員領事人員訓練業務費培訓規劃主全年度應辦20項次訓練逾約50個人日夜間班別 |
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經費編列預算61萬4千元外交部外交及國際事務學院現有職員34人共有兩人114年度您新聘研究助理以您吸引業務繁重需要增聘人員該用人計劃以業務費支運英語說明 |
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是外交部外交及國際事務學院於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告。提案人委員陳冠廷等人。第219之二案114年度外交部外交及國際事務學院預算案第三目向下。貸換國內公務車、貸救原車號、9137-J2小客車、新增過濾電動汽車一輛及相關設施等經費預算編列203萬元。 |
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請外交部及國際事務學院於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員陳冠廷等人宣布完畢好213之一案請說明照案通過213之二案照案通過213之三案照案通過219之一案 |
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遵照辦理招案通過219之2案遵照辦理招案通過114年度中央政府總預算案關於外交部主管收支公開及機密部分。．以審查完整送請財政委員會會長後提報院會請問院會審議前是否需交由黨團協商 |
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好不用願會審議時請推派一位委員做補充說明請推派林益君召委本次預算審查如有預算科目物質或金額調整授權議事人員處理本日會議到此結束散會 |
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終於結束了 |
| IVOD_ID |
16353 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16353 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-21 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-09T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-09T16:07:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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