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2024-12-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部航港局單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管航港建設基金非營業預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司營業預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金分預算。【僅進行詢答;第一案委員預算提案於12月16日中午12時前截止收件;第二案至第五案委員預算提案於12月19日中午12時前截止收件】) |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議.事由.時間113年12月4日7月13日上午9時至下午1時36分地點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員魯明哲等15人列席委員葛如軍等22人列席官員數位發展部部長黃燕南等主席魯昭吉委員明哲報告實行宣讀上次會議.事由.決定一事由確定 |
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邀請數位發展部報告業務概況及立法計劃並備質詢。決定報告及詢問完畢討論事項審查114年度 |
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數位發展部單位預算本日會議由數位發展部部長黃燕南報告後,藉由委員林佩祥等二、四人提出質詢。軍警部長黃燕南及相關人員分別予以答覆決議。一、報告及詢答完畢。二、委員羅美玲提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報。三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或為其答覆部分,請數位發展部盡數以書面答覆。 |
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四本案令則其進行處理,為預算提案於12月20日星期五中午12時前,截止收件。散會宣讀完畢。好,謝謝。那現在先介紹列席人員。首先我們感謝交通部部長陳士凱。謝謝。接下來介紹陸正及道安司市長黃韻貴。市長,謝謝。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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本日進行114年度航港局單位預算、航港建設基金、臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金非營業預算及臺灣港務公司、國營臺灣鐵路公司營業預算等五項預算案的審查。我們現在首先請交通部陳部長進行報告。 |
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主席、各位委員、女士、先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就本部航港局紀航港建設基金臺灣港務股份有限公司國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司以及臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金114年度施政計畫及預算編列情形提出報告進行指教 |
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航港局致力於提升船舶船員監理服務品質並建構完整的航安管理系統持續協助離島完善港舖設施與交通船的服務以達成維護海上人命安全保護海洋環境以及保障離島居民基本民行的目標 |
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為發揮臺灣國際港群整體的功能強化亞太輸運港的地位並提升商港客貨運服務品質轉型發展油氣觀光同時完善智慧航安管理將持續推動各項重大港舖基礎建設其能夠建構更完整更優質的港舖發展環境 |
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港務公司因應全球航運以及港口發展的趨勢,完善港口服務設施,善用科技賦能,提升港舖作業安全以及經營效能,開創多元佈局,提供優質離岸風電港口基礎設施以及水岸觀光設施,活化資產並且多角化的經營港舖關聯的事業,推動數位轉型建構智慧港口, |
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帶動航港產業的升級因應低碳轉型設置智慧能源管理系統以及儲能創能的設備朝向永續發展來邁進 |
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臺鐵公司為環島軌道的運輸骨幹現在以強化臺鐵的行車安全為第一要務積極推動各項安全的專案計畫為了提升服務品質除了持續進行運輸本業的創新並且積極發展鐵道觀光 |
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開創行旅生活與多角化的關聯事業並且健全財務結構發揮企業化經營效率活化資產拓展財源擴大附屬事業商機將資源做最有效的運用以達到企業治理與永續經營的目標 |
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臺鐵局撥入資產以及債務管理基金114年度將持續辦理資產活化作業,並且積極跟國家鐵道博物館的籌設、商研成立、行政法人以及園區經營分潤,適時滾動檢討債務償還的情形,降低資本的成本。 |
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負擔以及升息的衝擊。後續將以多元的方式創造資產的收益以達成30年內清償債務的目標。以上各機關公司114年度的施政計畫及預算編列內容分別請航港局業局長、港務公司李董事長 |
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臺鐵公司杜董事長、鐵道局楊局長向各位委員提出報告與說明,敬請諱語支持。謝謝。好,謝謝陳部長。那接下來我們邀請航港局葉局長進行報告。那我們請時間掌握在大概五分鐘,謝謝。 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就114年度航港局施政計畫及預算編列情形提出報告並備詢深感榮幸首先對於各位委員長期對於航港各項業務的指導與支持表示 |
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表示誠摯的感謝。以下僅就本局112年度及113年度截至10月底預算執行情形114年度施政計畫重點預算編列情形及預期的施政績效向貴委員會提出簡要報告。 |
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一、112年度預算執行情形。單位預算稅率預算30億5,771萬6千元執行率99.30稅數預算37億7,267萬6千元執行率98.87港港建設基金基金來源預算97億8,283萬5千元執行率102.26%基金用途預算100億 |
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8523萬5000元執行率98.76。二、113年度截至10月底 |
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指預算執行情形。單位預算稅率預算217,477萬7千元,執行率97.87。稅數預算32億2,219萬1千元,執行率92.79。航港建設基金預算來源預算。基金預算來源預算數96億9,833萬9千元,執行率94.52。 |
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基金用途預算97億6,694萬5千元執行率121.67%接下來報告114年度的施政計畫重點本局依據當前航港業務發展需要編訂114年度的施政計畫 |
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重點說明如是,一、強化船舶航岸的建立,健全海事管理體系。重點工作包括持續推動國際海事組織的集合業務,強化船東責任險的審查機制,並持續推動智慧航岸升級服務計畫。二、加強海事人員的培育,因應國際海運的發展。 |
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辦理補助海事院校更新臺灣船員訓練的設備並因應離岸風電的發展以及航運綠色轉型導入國際認證的培訓課程。三、推動航港建設提升港部服務能量與品質。依據111年到115年的國內國際三港未來及發展及建設計畫 |
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補助金馬地區辦理水頭客運中心、蒙澳碼頭區、福東碼頭等興建工程,並依據上港法委託臺灣港務公司辦理布袋澎湖國內商港上下岸安全設施等興建工程。 |
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四、更需改善離島交通船碼頭服務設施,優化海運客運服務品質。更需補助地方政府維修公有交通船,並針對東部50號25年以上老舊客船提供貸款補貼。推動交通船碼頭旅運服務設施升級優化計畫,以提升交通船的服務品質。五、補貼離島航運服務,維持居民的基本民心。 |
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提供連江、澎湖、屏東、台東等地區的居民票價補貼、基本航次補貼以及偏遠離島固定航線的營運虧損補貼。六、完善遊艇發展環境,開闢客貨新航線,促進推廣海洋觀光。 |
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包括持續輔導地方政府推動遊艇泊區的服務設施的建設與改善。規劃開闢基隆至日本食園的固定客貨運航線預計114年中以觀光渡輪投入營運。三、114年度預算編列情形。一、單位預算稅率預算數16億5137萬5千元。稅數預算40億6112萬1千元。 |
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各項計畫編列情形一、一般行政8億7773萬元,航港業務管理及發展7億856萬2千元,偏遠地區交通建設24億6911萬1千元,一般建築及設備254萬5千元,第一預備金317萬3千元。二、航港建設基金基本基金來源預算數95億8773萬元, |
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基金用途預算數108億1128萬9千元本期短促基金來源及預算用途相抵後計短促12億2350萬9千元 |
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預期施政績效。一、提升船舶航線安全。完善新離岸風場的VTS系統。監控範圍將由現在的673平方公里擴大為4000平方公里。二、完善上港港部設施。預計115年完成50公頃的臺中港新建天方區土地供風電業者使用。三、提升離島及蘇花海運交通服務品質與韌性。金門水頭上港客運中心預計114年10月啟用。 |
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此外當蘇澳公路中斷將依照交通部陸海空輸運SOP三小時內提出輸運方案優化航班的登記預約機制四、強化海運減碳的人才培育目前已與六家培訓公司持續合作總培訓人數已達400人五、建構海洋觀光環境基隆至日本石原島固定客運航線開闢後將有助於出口 |
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臺灣的貨品到石垣島並透過此航線吸引日本國內旅客經由石垣轉赴臺灣旅遊。持續辦理基隆市威海營區基地的促餐招商作業。五、給予未發揮最大的組織效能本局將持續朝提升船舶航行安全、促進離島及梳化品質與韌性優化、強化海域人才培育以及建構優質海洋觀光環境等方向努力。 |
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商科技工具已達施政計畫目標。本局114年度預算已橫著各項計畫優先緩急以及往年預算執行績效並配合施政需要妥適編列。敬請各位委員會議支持與指教。以上報告。謝謝。好,謝謝葉局長。那我們接下來請港務公司李董事長進行報告。時間一樣5分鐘,謝謝。 |
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主席、各位委員今天應邀列席委員會首先對各位委員平日對港務公司各項業務的支持與指教表示感謝以下請就臺灣港務有限公司114年營業預算編列情形報告 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。七、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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裝卸業務目標7億2549萬基匯噸較上年度預算減少1518萬基匯噸倉儲業務目標1億1807萬元日噸較上年度預算減少205萬元日噸 |
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開發投資目標22.24萬平方公尺,較上年度減少0.29萬平方公尺。二、本年度合併 |
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營運總收入254億3911萬1千,較上年度增加7848萬5千元。營運支出161億5704萬元,較上年度增加4億8438萬9千。營運分配 |
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本期淨利73億5076萬4千提列法定公積7億3396萬8千元分別提列公積金9億9085萬7千分配港口所在直轄市政府11億8902萬9千元分配 |
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韓港建設基金19億171萬4千提撥股息紅利24億4411萬4千在固定資產方面國際商港未來發展計畫建設計畫在111年到115年 |
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港務公司辦理部分投資總額229億8545萬2千本年度編列60億2793萬9千 |
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在一般建築及設備計劃編列47億9875萬4千。展望未來本公司將以企業化精神、創新思維統籌臺灣港群的經營管理因應國際海事的發展趨勢我們持續辦理港口設施的優化及申請並結合在地產業的優勢擴展多元版圖 |
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導入數位科技及智慧應用提升作業與服務效能。朝2025近年排放ESG永續發展的目標邁進打造綠色低碳港口及落實企業社會責任。敬請各位委員會議支持與指教。謝謝。 |
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好,謝謝李董事長報告那在這邊先介紹在場委員我們歡迎李坤澤委員好,歡迎王逸川委員好,謝謝還有我們林佩翔委員好,謝謝那這邊我們先確定一下議事錄 |
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請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有意見沒有意見議事錄確定好謝謝那接下來我們請臺鐵公司杜董事長進行報告時間5分鐘 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生感謝各位委員對臺鐵公司業務的指導以及對預算的支持現在僅將本公司經營策略、預算編列以及今年113年預算執行的成效分別報告以後 |
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首先是我們114年的經營策略跟業務計畫我們有四大經營的策略目標在確保安全方面我們的目標是安全運轉達到國家安全績效指標RSSP的規定 |
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我們有推動我們台鐵公司的五年安全提升方案以及各項軟硬體人員教育訓練技能的改善另外我們導入智慧科技發展智慧鐵道將台鐵公司推向更進步的一個方向 |
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在準點率提高的部分我們的目標要達到97.5%這個包括我們臺灣舊車引進新車並且持續的檢討我們準點率的諸多因素讓班表能夠做最有效率的安排在提升服務方面我們每日運送的旅次也就是我們的 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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在附屬事業的部分我們的目標是提升附屬事業的收入讓他佔總收入的超過23%這個是不含國際會計準則20號公報跟政府補助收入的項目那這個包括發展新的鐵道觀光旅遊整合我們的車隊以及有效運用公司的資產 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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幸福企業方面包括旅客滿一度我們要達到84分以上這包含我們各項基礎建設的改善我們運能的增加還有我們通用設計無障空間的一個改善確保我們的運作能夠正常的發揮還有就是我們搭配我們政府政策來大力的推動公共運輸 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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在管理跟革新的部分包括新車引入的運用還有跟國外各個鐵道還有運輸業的一個締結跟這個互相的配合這個就請各位參閱 |
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在積極推動鐵道觀光以及地方創生明年我們都有投入預算並且有新的做法我們也希望能夠帶動我們環島路網上的各個節點來結合地方來大家共融共享在114年的預算編列的部分我們總收入 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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在總支出的部分我們編列了448.7億餘元,較今年增加了29.3億餘元,大概增加6.99%。相關的包括人用人費用的降低、服務費用以及增加還有材料費用的降低等等,這個請各位參閱。 |
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在114年度我們的預算虧損數我們是編列了86.8億較今年的74.9億我們有增虧的情形大概是15.9%虧損填補的預計請參閱在資產負債跟固定資產改良建設擴充的部分請各位詳列我們的書面 |
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在113年度預算執行成效的部分運輸目標我們是有達成較去年增加運量大概是8.5%貨運略有減少因為今年天災比較多我們預計明年我們會持平的追補回來 |
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另外在營業收入跟損益的部分總收入是達成78.61%總支出是達成86.95%損益的淨損是93.81% |
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固定資產建設改良擴充專案計畫實際支用數127.5億餘元執行率84.72%現在正在非常努力的繼續在執行 |
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一般建築跟設備計畫達到102.76%的執行率,這個同樣也是一道進度在執行。臺鐵公司今年是公司元年,明年114年會邁入第二年。 |
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我們在全新投入這個新的車隊新的服務新的能源新的開發跟新的產品我們希望能夠利用我們臺鐵公司很多的既有優勢創造更好的服務那麼轉化公司這個財務的狀況那也希望各位能夠對我們114年度的預算案能夠給予大力的支持謝謝 |
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財政局局長 |
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主席各位委員各位女士各位先生現在報告臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金業務計劃那這個基金是今年度第一次成立那第一次來聽請各位委員的指導指教非常感謝那以下請就本基金的預算以及業務計劃進行報告113年度截至10月底為止的預算執行就業務總收入的部分預算數是33億3128 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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我們目前的主要工作重點分為兩個部分第一個也就是設法提高基金的資產收入我們會跟續來辦理臺北機場、高雄廠站、臨港線資產之出租以及利用 |
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也會藉由國產署所接管的國有非公用財產代為儲分的收益等事項來增加我們基金的收入。第二個部分是設法降低債務重組降低資金的一個成本那靈活來運用短期、中期、長期的銀行借款或發行以內公債的方式以降低利息負擔。114年預算編列情形 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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長期債務的償還計劃本基金償還計劃是希望透過30年來償還114年預計償還數是4億3907萬元預期在未來的施政績效我們希望在114年透過持續辦理資產活化作業以創造收益並跟鐵博館來延伸成立行政法人及經營分院的事實滾動檢討債務償還情形降低 |
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資金成本利息負擔及升息的衝擊。本基金近期三年剛剛成立,主要是以資產的接管盤點、財產登錄建帳、相關單位的使用協議以及法規環境的建置及債務重組規劃為主要工作,後續將積極辦理 |
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經營、開發、儲分所承接的資產,並採取先出租後出售的方式來創造最大化的一個效益,以達到30年償還債務的一個目標。以上是有關本基金的預算編列及計畫的辦理情形,敬請各位委員事與指導及指教。謝謝。好,謝謝楊局長。 |
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現在進行詢答那先宣告以下事項詢答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止本會委員除外各委員如有提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘中午原則上不休息現在請登記第一位委員林沛翔委員發言 |
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主席陳婉嫻議員 |
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部長有關地中海榮耀號現在據我所知還有1800個人目前是正困在這個納坝在日本那能不能麻煩您跟我們先因為全國民眾都很關心這個議題能不能麻煩您跟我們先講說現在目前最新的狀況是怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告昨天發生這件事情之後我們的這個航港局就積極在協調包含民航局還有觀光署也積極在協調這件事我們希望在第一時間可以讓我們的民眾趕快回到臺灣所以我們經過協調之後今天跟明天總共會有五班的這個飛機長榮跟華航 |
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會有五班的飛機會用擴大機型的方式那今天跟明天總共可以多載運748位民眾可以回到臺灣來就是今天跟明天那今天早上我們民航局也已經跟日方溝通也已經發文給日方希望能夠增加班機的方式也就是用包機的方式可以更快速的載運我們的民眾回到臺灣 |
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目前日方也就是沖繩那邊那霸機場的部分已經有同意了我們也在跟船公司在積極協調他們的部分旅客要回來臺灣的部分的運費票價的部分應該由船公司來吸收他們也同意所以有可能我剛剛在講的748位是擴大機型的部分如果我們用包機的方式在明天跟後天可以加入的話我想運輸的速度會更快 |
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所以應該是說理論上聽部長這樣報告理論上應該是後天甚至大後天才能全部運回來運完畢對不對如果你要全部回來的話可能要到大後天大後天所以不過就是不管是說有關這個機票還是當地的旅客當地的旅館也好都是由船公司來負責船公司來負責也跟委員報告就是說那艘船雖然不能夠移動但是它上面的設備設施都還可以使用 |
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至少說我們本國的旅客的權益沒有受損 |
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那既然講到這一個有關這個航道的有關這個航運的事情的話我順便想請問一下就是說請問一下有關航運安全的政策跟跟航運安全的鑑定是哪個單位去處理的是港務公司呢還是航港局應該是航港局好那我想請問一下就是因為現在基隆有另外一個議題除了郵輪之外就是所謂的市街 |
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那世界的議題來講的話如果說以前我因為我以前在港務公司工作過所以2015年的時候我有看過那份報告就是說其實2015年的報告跟我講說在港區如果說是密集人口密集的地方其實是非常不適合LNG也就是所謂的液態天然氣去上傳或下載可是呢我現在這邊看到就是說在這個 |
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有關臺電做出來的報告也就是說臺電似乎要在四街也就是在基隆港的港嘴要去做出一個所謂的LNG的這個發電廠而不是當年是2015其實是2012年的報告本來在高雄外海要去做出一個LNG的轉運站在旗津外海 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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國際商港的航道來去做這個LNG這個液態天然氣的運輸下載或上傳那我就想請問一下說在這個報告裡面我如果記憶沒有錯的話每年基隆港所帶給國家的稅收盈利是1100億 |
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也就是說一天就有3億的那個收入那我們也知道說如果有擱淺的狀況一台船擱淺跟一台車在路邊報廢那個處理的時間完全不一樣豫州號現在還是留在這個金山萬里的外海嘛那變成是說假設LNG船我們先不要考慮說極端氣極端狀況就是LNG出問題那如果只要這艘船在航道上面能夠擱淺 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我們請航港局長跟委員報告我想針對世界的這個建設呢當時在過去已經有責成經濟部已經有責成台電公司委託專業的第三公正單位來進行這個超船模擬的這個驗證 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那請問您知道說現在目前預定地這個跟陳部長上任之前就出來了請問您知道中山區基隆市中山區人口密度有多少請問您知道旁邊住多少人請問您知道嗎 |
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那您現在在跟我講說我們要我們要因為是這個理論上OK所以旁邊住至少超過5000人的這個5000人的里因為從旁邊差不多有記得沒有錯的話應該有三個到四個里是靠近這個港區這個未來準備要做四街碼頭的附近應該有5000個居民然後臺中西碼頭那邊也有5000個居民嗎 |
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四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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這個完全沒有任何質疑的餘地如果2015年港務公司跟我講說高雄港港區絕對不能做LNG的話那你現在跟我講說基隆港港區就要做個LNG的發電廠請問一下部長您覺得這個情何以堪啊 |
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我想這個安全性的問題一定要用科學的方式下去評估啦那個評估出來如果真的是不安全那當然不能做那評估出來如果是安全的話那也要有辦法說服我們大家說他怎麼樣可以帶來大家的安全 |
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所以這個部分當然目前設定的點是設定在那個地方那目前還在這個環評的過程當中我相信基隆市政府也應該也有提出他們的這方面的意見那這個部分其實在環評的會議裡面大家可以去討論那也可以用科學的方式下去做驗證本席的態度很簡單因為一方面來講是整個 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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李崑澤委員發言陳部長、航港局、港務公司、台鐵局、杜董事長、李董事長 |
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部長現在地中海榮耀號本來是預計昨天就要返回基隆港那因為引擎故障現在有大概1880名的旅客仍然滯留在當地那部長剛才提到說會請民航局 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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金明兩天長榮已經有放大機型要接回來。華航現在也在做準備加大機型的準備。新旅也請你盡力的一個協調。希望能夠在後天當然有很多行政或相關班次的問題但是我還是希望你要展現你的效率跟能力督促民航局盡量在後天就能夠讓全部的旅客回來。報告委員我們會在今天跟明天盡量讓速度加快。 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我們台鐵竟然有員工他每天工作要將近15小時 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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那剛剛委員提及的這個工作的時間以及工作的負荷基本上我們很注意我們還是符合勞基法的規定但是在這個規定之下怎麼樣能夠讓同仁的負擔不要那麼重同仁的負擔很重啦董事長跟部長我提醒你們一下 |
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那我們臺鐵加班時數以及人數的統計我們看到30至35小時有469人那35至40小時有511人那40小時以上的有891人加班的總人數是達到5725人加班30小時以上的就有1871人那這個問題 |
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我看我們負責臺鐵營運安全最重要兩個單位營運安全處跟職業安全衛生室他們的這個工時是平均的前兩名他們是要負責營運安全的他們工時那麼長這個對營運的安全我認為是很大的一個考驗社會也會質疑來董事長說明一下是來跟委員報告剛剛委員講的這個是事實 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那這個部分我們會從兩個方式來處理第一個就是說我們會再去調整他的原額讓他每一個人平均能分擔的工作能夠降下來部長跟董事長我們現在最嚴重的問題是人力不足的問題我看我們的法定原額是16330人 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我看我們台鐵問題薪資待遇就是個問題那很多新進人員他們把台鐵因為薪資待遇以及工時的問題所以將台鐵作為一個跳板就進來之後他們累積經驗或是有這個經歷之後他們要轉到其他的軌道運輸的事業或其他的國營事業那 |
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公務跟電務是最嚴重的新進人員離職率將近五成運供機電的公務跟電務這個最嚴重當時政府是不是這樣來你説明一下那如果改善嘛你説明一下嘛公電的這個因為它是比較有技術性的那的確有這個情形 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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就是我們在臺鐵公司4021次的和平車站在開車之前11月20號的上午我們司機員昏迷最後不幸死亡當然是新陰性的休克這是初步的一個認定這個問題其實鐵道運輸安全第一尤其是相關的駕駛 |
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裡面有個我要提醒部長跟董事長那高鐵的行車人員他們每年要進行一次的體檢新進人員是6400那定期檢查是5800檢查的項目比較多有運動心電圖啦視野理學檢查啦、藥毒物啦或是法定傳染病等等 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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主席請陳部長高鐵杜董事長台鐵杜董事長 |
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好陳部長剛才我們兩位同事啊都已經提到這個榮耀號的事情是那當然本席也不需要贅述你也一一的解答在這裡有一個觀點 |
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過去我們確實在我們臺灣人民不管是參加任何的一個理由也好發生事情危機處理非常不當非常不積極那我也請教一下針對榮耀號這個還好是比較鄰近的Okinawa那如果是在別的國家那會更慘 |
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所以我在這裡要請教你們現在在處理的當中有沒有成立應變小組?我們航港局的部分他們有成立應變小組不是只有航港局,這個我們交通部航港局跟港務公司然後民航局還有觀光署其實都有協同在開會一起在處理誰負責?應該是港務公司吧?還是航港局?航港局在處理 |
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其實部長我給你建議有時候航港局來主導這些大家平行單位確確實實應該要由要由我們部裡面的我們的政次報告委員這件事情由我們林國賢次長在督導 |
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因為不要每一樣事情就只有要部長去處理才會有效力不可以這樣因為我們是一個團隊不是一個部長所以我還是建議我們交通部不管如何一定要去成立這個跨級數的一個小組這樣的話效能可能會更加好我們的同仁第一時間其實就已經組織起來了 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那高雄這個案例先前這台電梯沒有故障過它是有一個那個扣腳斷損那這個我們會去深究說為什麼它會這樣那該換的我們會全部換掉可是這個部分啊人家一家四口關在這裡面我們危機處理也很不好欸電梯要壞掉 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部航港基金非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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所以我特別提供給董事長你未來不管是總經理、副總經理你們副總經理一大堆主管這些的東西你還是要特別注意這麼小的事情還要部長說部長下令嗎所以我是希望董事長因為你是對全公司負責你是要對部長負責不要這種東西我也可以K部長 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我們的郵輪停靠我們高雄港也好基隆港也好是每一年這個數量是下墜的所以我希望部長你們特別要督促我們觀光署還有我們那個局裡面跟港務公司這裡一定要積極的想辦法趕快觀光景點不足或者其他的問題拜託部長 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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5478.757 |
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謝謝林國成委員關心郵輪我也很歡迎郵輪來停靠台中港謝謝接下來質詢的是我們召委陳淑月委員謝謝主席請主席邀請陳部長還有葉局長還有李董事長還有董事長 |
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部長早,本席在這邊首先也要關心一下這個榮耀號郵輪我們知道地中海榮耀號是亞太地區最大噸位的郵輪今年首度以基隆港為母港採取基隆納坝雙母港的模式來營運 |
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那這次發生就是說在12月4號的這個航次在搭載了4000名的旅客從基隆出發之後本來是去日本就是幾個景點來遊玩那就是在6日的時候發生了這個機械的故障 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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報告委員這個部分我們有跟船公司也都協商過那船公司其實事先的宣導有做那他們也有跟旅客做聯繫有跟旅客做聯繫那他們盡量確保大部分的旅客都有聯繫到但必然有一些沒有聯繫到的他們也都有派人在基隆港也就是說有旅客沒有接到訊息所以來到基隆港那他們就要跟他解釋清楚解說清楚這個部分其實我們在第一時間都有要求那個船公司必須要做這些動作 |
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對,因為就是說要選擇遊輪的這樣子的一個旅行我想不是說短期決定的一定也是經過長期的一個籌劃有可能三個月或半年可是就偏偏遇到這樣子的一個故障的一個少性的事件然後整個行程都泡湯了所以我想就是說在之後的旅客的權宜部分還有善後的部分我們也希望交通部這邊要給予旅客最大的一個協助 |
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對當然在一開始我們就跟船公司講過還有旅行社也講過就是說呃旅客的權益是很重要的所以他們很快也就把他們的補償的方案就提出來了好對旅客也做了說明好那後續再回來臺灣之後如果還有需要求償或者是呃需要船公司補償的部分這個部分我們會協助來協商 |
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我想這個郵輪對我們臺灣就是國家的這個觀光也是有很大的一個注意那就是這艘榮耀號是以這個基隆港為母港那不曉得說還有其他郵輪以臺灣的港口為母港嗎應該蠻多的是不是請港務公司蠻多的 |
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除了基隆以外高雄還有明年的12月18號還有明年的4月5號116年的1月8號台中有三艘這是哪一個國籍的哪一個國籍我們知道榮耀號是瑞士 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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是好那我想這個也是一個好消息然後可以讓我們就是國人在旅遊的時候有一個比較多的一個選擇那剛剛部長在做業務報告的時候我有聽到部長就是說在這個航港這個港務的業務上的政策希望強化臺灣為亞洲航運的中心嗎是這樣子嗎是是貨運的部分我們希望能夠成為臺灣的航運中心 |
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貨運的部分因為其實以地理位置來講臺灣就是整個亞太地區一個在地理上本來就是一個航行的一個很重要的一個位置地理位置也是一個戰略的位置那我們也看到就是說前幾天也有發生一個事件就是說有記者這個是媒體記者爆料說有一艘船曾經參與就是 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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5810.973 |
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有掌握這個訊息嗎?有掌握這個訊息這艘船也已經離開台中港了那當時他也是依照香港法是第7條嗎?第7條的規定讓他合法停靠當時是跟他合法停靠但現在大家在討論這個議題我認為這個部分我們應該要去洽國安單位跟國安單位來協商如果說未來有參加過解放軍的演習的船隻如果不適合停靠在臺灣的港口那這個部分或許要進行修法 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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他在進來的時候他有跟我們報備那目前查出來就是說他主要是以零件為主零件為主的話我們那個由那個航港局這邊認為說沒有什麼問題所以我們沒有登船去檢查我們只是書面檢查是這樣嗎所以這樣子真的是非常危險 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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這個部分確實如果說大家覺得未來應該要更嚴格檢視的話我們會跟國安單位來討論這個議題如果國安單位那邊也認為說未來針對這一類的船隻必須要做不一樣的檢查那我們就會做不一樣的檢查 |
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對我覺得這部分一定是要的那再來最後一個問題就是有關我們這個智慧航安的部分也是我們就是在這個港務航運務的部分一個很重要的一個重點 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那謝謝委員那特別跟委員報告2.0的部分第一個重點就是我們要擴大我們的VTS監控這個風場的範圍把現在的673平方公里大幅增加到4000平方公里因為我們西部的這個西北域的海域呢會依照能源局的規劃會大幅增加這個風場的範圍那為了確保航岸我們要把整個監控的範圍擴大 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6068.33 |
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如果有狀況的時候備援系統一定要馬上能夠接得起來所以要強化我們航岸的一個韌性那其次最後一個就是航路標識管理系統的一個建制我們要掌握全國的航路標識管理系統能夠有效的進行監督跟管理主要的這個重點當然是這四大部分好 那你們也要成立智慧航岸推動辦公室嘛那這個進度目前如何 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6131.653 |
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6138.086 |
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好,謝謝主席,有請我們交通部陳部長,航港局葉局長,跟我們港務公司李董事長 |
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6170.734 |
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首先第一個問題剛剛很多委員都問過了這個榮耀號最多可以載5000多個客戶可以講說是我們疫情復出之後以臺灣作為母港的一個非常重要的遊艇那現在的一個情況就是我們4號出發的這一團在6號就故障了那我先問一下部長你是幾號知道的 |
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6184.184 |
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昨天昨天是7號昨天是8號那航港局什麼時候知道的部長兩天之後知道你什麼時候知道 |
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八位我們是7號晚上知道那我們跟港務公司就7號晚上7號晚上我們跟港務公司就我們就跟盡快跟旅行社還有觀光署來啟動應變這個是在昨天 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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6231.872 |
transcript.whisperx[201].end |
6257.478 |
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好,這昨天說的至少待到週一之前可是剛剛部長說的那顯然沒有那麼簡單因為兩天班機大概700多人這個放大這個飛機機型嘛大概可以多載700多人回國啦那現在那邊有1800多人嘛除了零星走的我們大概知道大概還有1100位那現在遇到的一個情況是這樣就是說你 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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是,報告委員,這未來是我們爭取國外旅客一個非常重要的一個管道,就是透過郵輪。所以我們在各個港口的建制,我們硬體先建好,客人還沒來之前硬體要先做好,那我們歡迎客人來。那這個部分,我們的港澳公司也積極在各個國家在所有的郵輪的展的過程當中都會盡量去遊說其他國家的郵輪可以來到臺灣。 |
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這我想不管是港務公司、航港局你們要更精確的、更專業的我們不懂船啦那可是旅客就是旅遊嘛那這些的這個不管是我們很多的公司好不容易招攬了這麼多的旅客遇到一些問題第一個我們要盡量提早知道 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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這個最好是今天因為你如果沒有再密集的能夠把我們自己國人載回來的話會產生先後次序的剝奪感我真的不騙你啊換我拿一家旅行社他最大大尾全部都走了剩下一些人在後面我是覺得只要密集我們就同一天早晚班或者明天早班機大家都可以忍耐 |
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不然這個屬於很多家旅行社我知道有些旅行社比較有溢價比較有溝通能力他全部跑完了所以我是希望今天可能晚上最晚明天早上一定要把我們的國人的旅客要載回來除非航港局協調他的船10號回來的時候在船上的國人都可以載回來所以你們要非常密切而且非常迅速找出答案有沒有問題 |
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沒有問題委員這個我們來努力好那稍等一下齁那接著這個情況齁既然是郵輪在復甦的過程中我就提一個建議了齁當然我們現在有很多港啦但主要目前我們郵輪看去年今年的旅客的來源他停泊的港齁在基隆港跟高雄港人數是第一名第二名但是呢我們看人數的一個差距齁就是基隆港大概平均是一年八十萬人次 |
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高雄港現在大概是8到9萬人次大概9到10倍的一個差距其實很好理解啦因為船不是載出去海上釣魚嘛他停到下一個接近的城市嘛可能日本、韓國比較城市那未來搞不好台中如果兩岸如果悄悄的話搞不好台中港人最多那坦白講現在不講不過現在有個問題 |
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結論是說 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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我們來看這個人數旅客的人數確實在基東港非常的多那要增加閘口也是必然要做的事情所以是不是請港務公司我們來討論一下西岸那目前西岸的話大概一個小時可以通關3100人 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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接下來邀請何新淳委員發言 |
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委員會主席 |
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對,我想今天媒體的頭版大家都非常關心尤其這個曾經配合中共軍演的一個香港籍的貨船進入臺灣的港口而且進入台中港今天大家都很關心台中港等一下我要跟你討論但是國安的問題非常重要台中港是我們港務公司跟航港局也是我們交通部 |
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的港口。那我想請教一下這一艘貨船進來臺灣港口的時候,交通部事先知道嗎?他當時是一定都有申請。依法申請,但是是用民用船舶的貨運船來申請,對不對?那在申請的時候知道他曾經配合過中共軍演嗎?當時知道嗎?當時我們的訊息應該是不知道。 |
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這一艘貨船曾經配合中共軍演而且在那個時候演習的當下曾經載了6艘的突擊艇在他的船艙裡面所以這是核其關鍵而且重要的國安資訊我們沒有掌握這表示什麼我們事前並沒有相關的機制對不對部長 |
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所以我們交通部是不是應該主動的跟軍方也好跟國安單位也好我們就這個事件第一個應該要檢討的是我們事先有沒有國安情資的密切的掌握或者是任何相關的資訊做一個溝通平台做一個資訊交換的平台我們是不是應該要好好的來掌握這些可能帶來危險的船隻 |
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委員您這樣的提醒非常合理也是應該要做的過去確實我們的港公司也好或者航港局也好不會有國安這一類的資訊但是這件事情發生之後讓我們覺得這方面的資訊我們確實應該要有事先獲得會比較好 |
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所以我會請我們的港務公司也好或者是航港局趕快跟國安單位趕快去做協商趕快去開會去討論說未來如果遇到類似的狀況怎麼樣讓我們航港局也好港務公司也好事先獲得這樣子國安的訊息要事先獲得國安的訊息要事先能夠掌握該船隻是不是曾經配合過中共軍演那曾經在運過什麼樣的一個武器或者是相關的領主艦比如說在這一次 |
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剛剛我們的港務公司的董事長說依法他是用民用的貨運船來申請靠港那我們發生這件事情的時候是什麼時候知道是因為這一個媒體的記者在網路平台爆料了之後那是我們港務公司第一手知道所以所以有去登船去檢查嗎 |
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那港務公司沒有權利登船我們必須要會同有公權利的那到底有沒有登船因為你剛剛回答其他委員的時候說沒有登船是是船東或者是他們的這個相關的這個公司來跟你們報備他裡面裝什麼船袋最主要就是他的零組件他的零組件是一般的機械零組件都是一般的對 |
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好那這是他來報備他來申請那請問一下到底有沒有登船你說港務公司沒有權利登船去做檢查那到底是誰去登船做檢查哪一個單位有嗎沒有那為什麼陸委會還可以說我們曾經登船檢查那請問誰提供這個資訊給陸委會的 |
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誰提供資訊給陸委會讓陸委會可以公開說政府的相關單位已經於日前登檢這個該船並沒有發現異常我們可能需要了解一下我們的單位是沒有但是海巡單位有沒有登船檢查所以事情發生了你們事前不知道沒有任何機制事後發生了見了媒體了也沒有任何機制連港務公司都不知道是誰登船喔 |
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部長這樣子這個港口的管理太離譜了吧他們的掌握是海巡目前是有登船嗎海巡單位來請回答跟委員報告就是說按照我們現在CIQS的作業規定船舶進出港以後海巡要登船去做檢查目前的機制是這樣子好目前的機制那在這艘船你什麼時候收到這個情資什麼時候登船檢查 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那請問一下那陸委會的這個訊息是誰提供的?海巡署嗎?海巡單位嗎?那我就要請部長這裡出現了一個問題喔這一個問題是在於陸委會對外公開的發言 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我們當然不希望再發生可是我相信以中國對臺灣的這樣子的侵略性的一個很明顯的心態一定會一而再再而三的事所以這個部分我們自己要先把港口的安全等同國安的一個安全的問題一定要先建立機制能夠防堵就盡量防堵能夠不用發生就不能發生我們會盡快跟國安單位協商然後未來的機制看怎麼樣建制我們會把它建制起來 |
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不然你看這艘船你們提供的資料12月2號晚上停靠12月3號卸貨12月6號又卸貨12月7號離港事實上他在台中港停靠了幾個晚上12月2號到12月7號離港5個晚上5天喔這5天如果當中他們船艙裡面裝的是武器裝的是什麼東西的話 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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國際線要大增21條航線在今年跟明年我們可以期待的所以我要先感謝交通部因為這個不管是航班航線還有航權等等的相關都是中央跟我們國際公司努力去跟 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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郵輪市場不是只有臺灣我們的國人出去玩我們也可以讓國際的觀光客進來看見臺中臺中是一個很棒的城市臺中是全國第二大城市臺中有很多的觀光路線跟好山好水我覺得郵輪要進臺中港真的比搶周杰倫的門票還要難嗎是不是因為你看喔剛剛港務公司的李董事長說未來會有三艘 |
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董事長我要跟你說你的這個資料可能要更新一下12月18號確實會來一艘接著呢明年也一艘後年也一艘就這麼三艘你的三艘是把今年的也算進去是連續三年一年一艘那在你整個2025610個航班裡面這些郵輪裡面我們台中可能只佔了兩個 |
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所以這個比例上來講說真的看起來我們臺中港真的還要再努力對不對部長報告委員這個要很努力啦要很努力嘛對不對電子設備有然後臺中也真的很好玩整個中部地區的觀光景點相當的多那我們希望透過郵輪可以吸引更多的國外旅客但目前確實港務公司在國外在招商的過程當中我們把臺灣的幾個重要的港口都提供給國際的友人來看國際的航商來看 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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相對的好像臺中港是沒人愛的那沒人愛的問題在哪裡條件真的那麼差嗎高雄港基隆港在地的地方政府其實他們也很努力幫忙在招攬客人包含說客人來了之後下了船之後的旅遊的動線等等他們都有做很棒的規劃那臺中這個部分其實也可以再更努力一些 |
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我們臺中要再加油這個還是要中央地方一起加油但是也不是只有中央的事是大家要一起努力最後的一句話我相信部長也來自我們臺中港區的建設我想你一定會支持尤其臺中的消費力強產業也非常的完整而且非常的強壯所以我們要建設所以我相信上次我們有去臺中港去考察 |
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所以整個不管是捷運的這個B1站跟港務公司的共同開發的狀況或者是我們其他跟蔡啟昌委員要共同推進的臺中港區的其他的大建設也請我們部長這邊還有所有的同仁一定要大力的支持好不好好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝何新淳委員接下來邀請林俊憲委員發言 |
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主席 |
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部長跟部長分享一下我們臺南一個重要的交通建設需要我們交通部來支持現在六都裡面唯一沒有捷運的就是只有臺南那臺南市政府除了進度最快的藍縣藍縣是預計115年動工那另外臺南市政府又 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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臺南市捷運綠線的綜合規劃經會來 前部長報告委員目前這條路線其實我們也很支持也覺得相當的重要因為科學園區一直要到高鐵站其實最快的路線會是這條線不是目前看到的藍線的延伸線那個等於繞一圈所以目前的可研的計畫還沒有送出來給我們審查那我們如果可研計畫的部分 |
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附屬單位預算附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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安平去年沒有任何郵輪去年就台中跟安平零剛剛我也沒有給你看這個表在2023年臺灣只有三個國際港口沒有郵輪來就台中、蘇澳跟安平今年台中跟蘇澳有安平一如預期你們去年就預測今年安平是零 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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去年有327艘今年預測有422艘應該可以達成吧可以達成那你明年是高成長明年預報到620艘你等於年成長了快一半快50%你明年這樣算起來的話由今年的422到明年的620你成長47%所以在這麼高速成長為什麼安平都是0臺南都是0 |
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你台南啊,航港局也去做了一些碼頭的設施啊,我記得好像花了一億多吧?那你不給開,你開要幹嘛?你有沒有辦法,沒有辦法你怎麼來啊? |
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報告委員,其實我們每一個港口都先把它建置好,客人還沒來之前我們硬體設備要有。硬體設備有了,我們就要努力對外去爭取。所以我也拜託港公司,就是我們在對外宣傳的時候,尤其是我們比較少人來的,例如說安平港跟台中港,我們要特別去做宣傳。臺南這種好吃好玩,臺南現在是國內旅遊,我們自己國內旅遊大概第一品牌。 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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國務委員報告我們特別有到新加坡還有日本介紹台南的古蹟還有一些民生好玩的好吃的地方但目前船公司他們還在旅行的時候他們還在考量我們繼續再努力再來部長剛才有委員關心那個 |
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因為參加過中國演習的那個船隻停告停告我們港口的事情對竟然這艘船有參與中國的演習而且他演習的想定你知道嗎我們演習都有一個想像的就是一個科目啦他演習的想定科目就是類似木馬圖城就是特種部隊啊躲在民用船隻裡面就是這艘船是 |
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那演練的就是特種部隊躲在這樣的民用商船裡面然後突襲進入比如說進入港口對手的港口然後來實施實施的火力打擊那中國做這樣的演習那對象一定是誰?因為臺灣啦不然他就在那邊塞著對不對?而且既然用的就是這一艘船做演習那他裡面一定進入改造啦 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我們事先有沒有掌握?你事先知不知道?報告委員,他商船要靠港必然要申請,他當時是有申請,所以我們當然知道有這艘船要來,但有諮詢上面的落差,就是他曾經參加過軍演的這件事,我們的港務公司跟航港局大概也都沒有這方面的訊息。那現在我們知道了啦,這艘船因為2號就停到台中港了。 |
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我們剛剛有宣告在林俊憲委員質詢後休息10分鐘,現在休息,謝謝。 |
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而且你又不是什麼...你又不是什麼...你又不是什麼...不是,中央政府的責任還是要把大家兩塊輸給我老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆老闆 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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現在繼續開會接下來邀請黃建豪委員發言 |
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交通部陳部長、台鐵公司杜董事長、港務公司李董事長、航港局葉局長 |
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好部長好我們首先先談那些民生議題先從這個交通的部分臺鐵的部分了臺鐵現在電子票證的收費基準我最近有收到一個陳情那這是一個個案拿出來跟大家討論當然就是也蠻多案子是剛好這個案子比較明顯就是說他從這個大陸長途區間車從台南到台中理論上他本來預計的花費是一個177元所謂電子票證的方式那最後出戰的時候被扣款是219元但是用所謂的 |
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自強號標準扣款一般區間車扣款 |
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報告委員我覺得這個計價的部分要合理化民眾有發現這樣的狀況那或許真的有些民眾在比較長距離的他也會搭區間車或許有這樣的選擇那台鐵也必須給民眾有這樣的選擇是不是細部的部分我請台鐵的 |
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杜董來回答其實這一個部分我們一直都有在做檢討剛剛委員講的我們也有檢討過那基本上會發生這個情勢應該是我們在車站端的閘門設定不符實際那這個其實可以用管理的方式來改善 |
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有這個數據嗎?過去沒有提供過這樣的資料那這一次這艘商船也是用商船的方式來做申請那申請的時候他的船貸公司也有跟我們講說他們裡面裝載的是一些零件是裝載一些零件那對港公司來講 |
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中共會不會知道我們的商船或我們的任何非軍用船隻曾經參加過軍演的話,他們可能會知道吧? |
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未來這個部分我們要跟國安單位來商討如果說國安單位覺得這個有國安疑慮未來不應該來讓他停靠那就要做另外的處置甚至是要進行修法對那如果是國安單位認為這樣是可行的那我們就會遵照國安單位的安排 |
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好所以最後再確認一件事情所以如果今天開完這個會議交通部的立場或是港公司或是我們就是所謂第一線的立場這些真正因為其實真的蠻多的嘛就是我們看過去資料很多有很多商船參加過所謂的軍演的行動那這些商船未來靠港是你們做審核呢還是會由其他單位來做審核這個可能要我們跟國安單位開完會之後你們的立場是什麼你們立場自己交通部的立場 |
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是是 包委員我們可能會也會跟國安單位討論是不是相關未來的這個申請就會商國安單位來共同來檢視那如果有國安疑慮的這個傳播是不是就請陸方應該要這個更換傳播或是採取必要的一個相關的配套措施確保這個國安好 謝謝謝部長 謝謝委員好 謝謝黃建豪委員 |
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接下來邀請徐副葵委員發言謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長我們鐵道局我們楊局長請楊局長 |
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部長、局長早安部長跟局長最近辛苦了都有陸續到高雄辦了幾場我們高鐵南延屏東的說明會那我想請教部長跟局長目前我們辦完說明會的進度因為我記得部長上任之後本席在這邊也質詢了好幾次部長有承諾說今年底我們高鐵南延屏東的路線一定會定案 |
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但是呢現在本席很遺憾的看到因為我們每隔一段時間就會看到這個媒體在報導對於左營線跟高雄線的路線之爭然後還有一些的一些技術面的錯綜複雜然後甚至把這個原本斷工的時間一再往後延現在目前說聽說延到2039年了聽到這個數字我們都快要昏迷了 |
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報告委員應該不太可能2039年這個數字我不知道這個數字怎麼來這都媒體報導的數字是媒體報導我不知道它的依據是什麼但大概不是這個數字也不會有這個數字那部長可不可以這邊再承諾一下今天你到底高鐵南延屏東的路線會不會定案報告委員我們在高雄總共辦了我們總共辦了兩場的專家學者會議其中專家學者會議一場在高雄一場在臺北 |
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四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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部長、局長我想我們最近這個破船擱淺的案子從陸續幾個颱風都有發生那目前總共目前還有幾艘我們的擱淺船隻還沒有出力 |
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對因為我知道上次本行因為也之前在颱風的期間也一直在提醒說我們當然我們有一個處置的SOP但是目前看起來包含我們在東港有一艘的巴西啊到現在都還沒有處理啊我記得上次質詢的時候好像局長有說好像要那個處理的時程但到目前為止還是在那裡還沒處理呢 |
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因為這個船東我們的SOP第一個是救人第二個是抽油再來是船貨的移除我們經過積極跟他們協商船舶船人惡意的遺棄船舶我們就依照三項法來介入後續我們會求償目前對於船體的移除我們已經用採購法已經完成預計13號就會決標 |
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好,因為部長還要再麻煩請你多多幫忙就是針對小琉球的一個觀光我們現在一年大概有100多萬人次但是我們現在目前東流線的後船市甚至白沙港的一個後船碼頭這個擁捨的情形非常的嚴重那甚至有時候這個大排長龍 |
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這兩個碼頭的部分是不是可以請部長跟局長能夠加快一個整建的一個計畫,能夠提供一個更好的一個後傳的一個環境?好,報告委員目前縣政府他也有辦一個這個規劃跟評估的計畫,那總共450萬的這個計畫正在做。 |
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另外還要再麻煩部長除了我們本身後船市之外應該要結合縣政府把周邊的一些停車空間一些景觀的環境要整個整體做好看起來更有我們一些國際級的標準新的計畫裡面有包含整個立體停車場的空間那也會加進去所以這個部分會做整體的改善 |
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好那另外還有一個我們覺得比較重要的一個觀光元素就是一個帆船基地的一個建制尤其我們屏東縣我們這個很多的港口包含我們的枋寮、旭海跟海口都很適合做一個遊艇港的一個規劃那不曉得航港局這邊有沒有針對這樣的一個規劃屏東縣政府他們有準備要提這個案是不是可以請交通部跟航港局一起來支持這樣開闢一個遊艇港的一個計畫 |
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好,報告委員這個部分他們的計畫也已經提出來了那我們也預計會來支持這個案子那希望他在115年可以完工好,那不過本席這邊還是要提醒因為我們航港局有一個遊艇破區的一個整體發展計畫那截至到今年7月預算執行率不到7成那這樣子的部分是不是會影響到我們這個所謂的整體開發的一個進展好,報告委員我們是不是請葉局長回答 |
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最主要是地方政府在請款的速度比較慢一點這個部分我們已經積極的催辦那預計到11月底的執行率可以到九成三可以改善到年底執行率可以到百分之百那這部分我們會持續來剩下這個到年底的這個時間持續來督促這個地方政府盡快來完成請款 |
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轉正的作業這邊也要特別謝謝部長跟局長我那裡的鹽埔漁港這個後船是做好料,大家額頭都會打雞每一個漁港都希望打造這樣一個規模大家都很期待我們先謝謝局長,有請臺鐵杜董事長 |
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董事長,下個月就是農曆春節的禮俱假期,那我們很多的鄉親擔心,第一個就是票價會不會調整,第二個我們輸運的一個班次,是不是有做好準備,請董事長打字。是,跟委員報告,第一個我們明年春節的輸運我們已經做好準備,我們會投入我們所有的運人,提供旅客這個好的服務。 |
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至於那個票價在明年春節前是不可能有這個漲價的動作但是現在因為我們這個之前我們的招考的一個人數的人員的部分這個明顯的有不足是不是會影響到我們這個加班甚至這個正常旅運的一個 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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這點本市長是要再提醒我們上次諮詢都有提過我們現有的薪資結構甚至我們這個加班的這個月點齁都輸給他的單位輸添添啦這個誘因不足啦那加上我覺得說我們這很多年輕人想要加入這個領域但是他們相對性他們會覺得臺鐵公司不是最好的選項影響到報考的意願那我想部長也很也有承諾過會來做一個修正跟調整 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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主席有請交通部陳部長還有台鐵公司杜董事長 |
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部長好 委員好部長我們最近看到不只勞動部有傳出霸凌在交通部也有激起霸凌的事件那部長您有強調程序不會延遲然後也有承諾會接觸每一個人那今天我們就臺鐵公司人力資源處無信處長霸凌案那本席要向杜董事長來一一瞭解那也請董事長一一的來說明我們先看到這個時間 |
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這是臺鐵人力資源處副縣處長疑似霸凌案臺鐵的處理經過那有幾個問題要就教董事長申訴人在去年1、2年6月29日就提出了不法侵害的通知欄那在同年9月14號召開調查委員會就認定了有霸凌的行為這邊要請問董事長臺鐵為何要等到申訴人在1、2年的11月10號提出臺鐵部回覆通報表的申訴之後才向申訴人回函 |
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這個部分我們在那個9月14號這邊表上講的就是我們調查委員會有一個認定以後我們有通知雙方的當事人 |
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那剛剛在這個表上講的是因為通知了雙方當事人以後這個雙方都有提出這個申訴所以我們要處理這個情形所以才會有11月的這個總結董事長經辦人歷程需要這麼長的時間嗎?為什麼這個辦人案成立花了兩個月可是推翻卻不到半個月 |
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沒有講要推翻只是後面依據公務人員保障法的規定因為他有提出申訴所以我們就依據這個規定我們就是要妥勝處理 |
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那確實前面的80案他調查了這麼久那推翻的成立決論卻這麼快那是前面的調查小組效率太差嗎?還是後面的調查小組草草了事?因為雙方剛剛講雙方都有提申訴所以我們在處理的過程中要很慎重很仔細 |
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這確實要很慎重很仔細那我們看到今年5月7號的時候保訊會也要求臺鐵兩個月內要做出釋法的處理然後臺鐵在7月12號的時候要求延長回覆的期限那這個到了延長期限過後保訊處又分別在9月23號還有10月18號發文兩次要求臺鐵來做回覆可是臺鐵到了11月15號才回文回文的內容還有警緒數收到保訊後的文後的處理經過然後還有他的 |
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處理經過以及10月18號會重啟 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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花了很多時間所以讓這名無姓處長有時間申請調職到國發會嗎?還是臺鐵想要隱藏什麼?這個我不清楚沒有跟委員報告沒有隱藏那現在目前國發會是不讓這名無姓的員工入職所以目前的程序暫緩了那請問董事長那這名無姓員工調職暫緩之後人會在哪一個單位? |
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目前還是在目前還是在他原來的職務上如果他之後沒有辦法到國發會他繼續在台鐵待著的話還會讓他繼續在台鐵職場霸凌嗎跟委員報告有沒有霸凌這件事情呢我們是透過程序慎重的處理 |
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據實有透過程序慎重的處理嗎?對OK那如果他繼續在台鐵霸凌的話那就是台鐵應作為而不作為那因為台鐵的霸凌案那本席也有去了解到港務公司霸凌成立案之霸凌行為喔我們相較港務公司和台鐵公司那簡報中董事長您可以看到這兩個表格分別為台鐵在112年9月14號的時候調查委員會的紀錄還有港務公司霸凌成立案之霸凌行為請問部長 |
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您看到這個簡報臺鐵的霸凌行為相較於港務公司來說真的是有過之而無不及那港務公司成立可是臺鐵公司卻不成立請問部長您認為臺鐵公司做出的決議合理嗎?報告委員其實他們霸凌案的成立跟不成立雙方的當事人一定都有自己的權益 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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就是因為雙方有提出申訴然後依據申訴我們依據那個公務員保障法的規定我們妥善處理那我們為了這個事情我們因為很審慎我們還成立了委員會不是我們自己單純的是那這邊也讓董事長了解被霸凌者然後還有其他的基層的員工也有指出無薪處長不滿員工的時候會貶低勿入還有平退公文以及咆哮來霸凌員工並要求下屬 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我說你們不改善工作環境讓這麼多人離職怎麼有去檢討嗎有有有跟委員報告我們的調查委員會跟我們後面的那個調查結果出來以後調查委員會的委員還有做好幾項的建議這些建議就是剛剛委員講的說包括環境這邊先請教董事長一個問題上週台鐵在花蓮舉辦的共識營有46名的一級主管在現場請問董事長你有參加嗎 |
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有我有參加那這名吳姓處長有沒有去處長好像沒有後來有他是有參加晚上的那個對報告者說吳處長抱怨霸凌案被慘功糾纏還在臺上感謝馮經理相挺逆轉霸凌案嚴當回文保証會兩次審議霸凌不過依照吳處長的說法都應該是經理相挺的結果吧 |
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跟委員報告您這一段我們那個共識營裡面沒有發生沒有發生他這個應該是指在在那個另外再請教董事長對吳姓處長的802有不具名的員工指出吳姓處長有一個同性的親戚擔任立法委員您知道是哪一位立法委員嗎 |
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這個我不清楚你不清楚那也有民眾陳情說吳姓處長的父親是高階公務人員退休稱自己的後臺很硬人脈很廣那不但如此還揚言自己是吳秉瑞委員的親戚那對於這一陣這則爆料的政委本席在此向董事長求證他們有親戚關係嗎這個過程我並不清楚所以董事長你對這個霸凌案你沒有去了解嗎 |
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有啊我有了解這個霸凌案啊我也很關心啊但是剛剛委員您提的是講說他的親戚是無姓立法委員這個我真的所以你不知道所以你也不知道臺鐵的霸凌案處理這件處理這個案件的時候是不是有受到壓力嗎我這邊是沒有啦好董事長你要確認因為這個案件已經以送監察院如果最後查出來與您說的不同你要怎麼來做負責 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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謝謝主席請陳部長、航港局葉局長港務公司李董事長請李董事長三位早早上我相信應該有一些委員也都有關注到這個議題媒體上揭露 |
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彭博的駐臺記者何貴昇在社群平臺上面爆料提到香港的J燒貨船長河輪這個事情部長早上應該有媒體上我看也揭露了這個昨天就有掌握了對對對 |
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我想請問一下國安單位有沒有跟你們聯絡過這一艘船必須被特別的處理報告委員當時沒有特別通知這件事情所以你們對於港務這個航港局跟港務公司都沒有得到任何的訊息對報告委員我們沒有得到任何訊息那所以這艘船當時是用商船的方式來做申請就一般處理啦我們就回到我們的正常SOP去處理我們對正常SOP的抽檢 |
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我們的百分比大概佔多少?這個就是我們上港法所謂的港口管制這個全球的港口都有這樣的這個那我國的百分比是15%那這個抽檢到的15%我們會做什麼樣的檢查? |
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我們會依照這個國際公約來檢查不管是它的四航性安全設備環保的這個設備是不是都能夠正常的運作所以我們會實際檢查人員會進到這個船艙裡面是的 是這樣做嗎 是的 是的好 那所以這一艘船並不在如果按照正常的SOP它並沒有我們檢查的實質內容 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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因為不在那個15%的比例的抽驗裡面所以我們也不知道怎麼樣那對於他在這一次的裝卸貨裡面我們這個港的安全設備包括所謂監視器等等我們有沒有去重新再看一遍有沒有任何的問題 |
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事後有沒有再看過?就是這件事情我們掌握了那雖然他不在因為國安沒有通報所以沒有通報這個其實也不能怪你們因為你們就按照我們不會擾民嘛因為商務活動嘛所以我們對一般的SOP處理嘛可是呢因為他的爭議點在於他曾經參加對岸這個演習而且他的功能是把那個那個含有機槍的那個小艇放在他的船艙裡面 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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因為媒體揭露這個事情那我們是不是應該你們總是在現場他的作業我們有監視設備嘛那有沒有去看一下說這個監視設備是不是一切正常主要的話就是一般的裝卸齊重機在這個在臺灣港期間的話我們去檢視他沒有什麼異常就是一般的看過了這個影像了都看過了 |
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我想這個國人關心因為現在大家知道這個對方對於我們的文攻武嚇甚至在軍事的演習上面不斷的在挑釁所以我們對於安全意識的建立其實是重要的那我們當然不會隨便看著王爺就開槍也不需要大家做到卑躬蛇影但是我要強調的是透過這個案件就國安為什麼 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那除了我們特別通報之外我們有沒有類似說這個未來有沒有去思考到跟國安單位來協調就有類似這種所謂參與軍演背景的這些船舶要來申請靠港應該有一個特殊的審查機制我們有沒有去研議這樣的想法 |
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報告委員我們一週之內會找國安單位一起來開會來協商這件事情我們會主動的詢問國安單位他們有沒有這方面相關的意見或者是有什麼資訊未來可以提供給我們我們一週之內會找他們開會來討論我想這個對港已經是全球的問題了你看美國他們連那個港的硬體設備他們都要不要Made in China |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那我也請教一下這一艘船是幾號離開臺灣?是7號嗎?12月7號他7號離港但是離港之後因為海象不好所以他在停茅區在停茅兩天所以他此刻應該還在停茅區嗎?已經離開了今天海象已經轉好了所以他離開了今天是早上離開的嗎?因為我看他申請7號出去那今天早上的位置 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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徐志傑委員台鐵 |
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委員好謝謝董事長部長麻煩您順便聽一下休息一下沒關係空中奉承 |
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目前進度請教一下董事長到哪裡了我們現在還在公告期間我們預計12月20號會結標那在這個期間我們有很積極的去拜訪潛在的廠商那目前包括我本人在內都有去這個算是去邀標了然後也充分有辦過說明會讓廠商了解空中奉承他的發展性 |
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所以他設計的一些困難跟那個有可能來OT的廠商使用的 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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因為現在據我所知就是電影院目前是在幾樓?本來是在高樓層,現在允許他變更可以拿到這個低樓層來OK,因為我知道高樓層還有20人 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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他的沉重有一些不足 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那原則上就是說也要讓部長跟董事長知道這個是我鳳山重要的事務嘛這個沒有完成交代不過去所以我是希望說董事長跟部長也特別重視就是說我這個地方總是要找到適合的廠商符合鳳山的需求那真的有人開始動 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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好我想希望說董事長把這個當作非常重要的事情那你們預計的進度因為當時有問過九月的時候問過董事長是說這一次應該沒有問題吧 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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高雄市政府不然我就請兩位我們局長跟董事長來注意一下也拜託部長了解一下這個我們攬子百慕達當時在2022年6月15劉思旺部長那時候還當立委的時候跟我跟李博義都有去考察這個攬子百慕達鐵路立體化的這個規劃我想這個應該 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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這個根文報告應該是由市政府這邊先辦理就是鐵路高架或是地下立體化的一個可行性研究那如果他在這個案子裡面提出來這樣的規劃的話我想我們會來支持所以目前市府都沒有把這個訊息跟你們講案子還沒有到部委那我們最後請部長好不好 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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這個部分是委員之前有提到過有提到過我大概知道所以就是說相關的細節需要市府的我會再拜託他們來提出來我們來支持那當然就是說也希望說部長跟這個蓋應該是鐵道局 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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我這邊再鄭重一下呼籲,我國用現在軌道做一個路竹延伸線、林源線,將來路竹延伸線我們希望可以延伸到臺南,這個也讓部長跟局長都了解一下,那個我們林源線也希望有機會到屏東,那包括 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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羅廷偉委員 |
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部長好委員好部長最近有一則新聞啊百日挑戰好感度奪第一我先跟你說聲恭喜謝謝委員部長那我想請問一下有感第一那全民都需要你請問一下您會交通部長做好做滿嗎做好做滿是什麼 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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政務官的任期不是由政務官自己決定我想現在百日挑戰好感第一就是因為我們找不到人來結論找到了你那你也百日挑戰好感第一那相信你一定有其重用的必要性我們也希望你在交通部能夠繼續發揮然後這交通部需要你那也不要離開交通部我努力做這個部分那另外我想跟請問一下因為你擔任過議員 |
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臺中市的一些民意基礎新生我希望你能夠帶到交通部那我想請問對於機車代轉這件事情您的態度是什麼報告委員機車代轉有相當多的民眾有在反應有些民眾覺得不好那有些民眾覺得感覺比較安全 |
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那其實比較牽涉到的是路權的問題啦你個人覺得你是支持機車要待轉還是取消機車待轉還是彈性機車待轉所謂的彈性就是不強制 |
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報告委員首要是交通安全交通安全是最首要部長那我問你一下機車兩端式的左轉推動多久了這個政策你知道嗎我是不是請市長好不好市長請說我們速度快一點好不好跟我們報告我印象中應該是巴士行從臺北市開始做推動 |
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臺北市78處新北63處取消 |
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高雄臺中針對特定開放放寬兩段式的一個左轉規定臺南市8月全面取消市區的單向兩車道、機車兩段式左轉桃園去年底事辦24處六都其實都已經有一半或者是全部都取消六都之外新竹市針對63處 |
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我這陣子其實有請我們部內的同仁來收集這方面的訊息,因為這個要科學的數據在做後面的討論才會...對,但他們都已經執行一段時間了嘛,先不講髒話嘛,那之前的事辦目前狀況如何?我有請同仁們再收集,應該還沒收集完。市長可以回應嗎?還沒收集完畢。他們都已經事辦有一段時間了,我記得我擔任議員的時候,台中市就已經有事辦幾處了,所以這些數據,市長你到底有沒有掌握? |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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而不是沒有兩段式的左轉就連你們執政黨部分區的名單曾經是交通警察的實名警也說沒有交錯就沒有車禍是交通安全不變的定律越多路線的交叉重疊就會產生越多的車禍轉一個彎要分兩次就會容易與其他的車輛路線重疊左轉就靠左 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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您知不知詞他們能夠傾向於跟彰化學習可不可以跟我回答一下我想我們會給他們足夠的裁量權讓各個地方自己去決定那我們也會收攏大家的意見包含學者專家的意見包含地方政府的意見我們最近積極來做這方面的討論如果我們在指引方面有需要去做修正的話我們後續再來做修正部長你認為機車走內車道左轉到底是不是安全報告委員 |
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像臺中你也在臺中我在臺中時常在騎摩托車在騎機車在騎的過程當中我發現內車道很多是進行機車我根本沒有辦法直接轉對啊對所以這個部分要先解決進行機車也要檢討所謂的取消兩段式左轉我們是一併納入一起來做一個探討的所以我問你嘛你個人的態度您還是不願意說一個清楚啊這個部分其實現在地方就可以自己去做決定 |
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不一定要中央有做決定,他們才能做決定。您剛剛也提到很多縣市都已經在做試辦了。如果他們試辦的成效好,他們可以全市來開放,這個都沒有問題的。今天早午已經站起來,時間有限了。部長、市長,機車取消兩正式左轉,多久可以完成評估報告?剛剛所說的一個相關數據的一個彙整、公佈,並且你們內部來評估是不是有一個態度、一個質疑,然後一個公文下去給各個六都還有各縣市,這個部分多久可以完成報告? |
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跟委員報告一下這個就是說機車兩站式走轉基本上在交通法規裡面它不是一個通案強制性的規定機車最起碼是外面兩個車道是都可以走的那剛剛委員有提到包括臺南市後藏化線它是把以往這個機車可以行駛兩車道部分它把它強制對啦但是不是所有都是三車道以上啦你就直接回應我召委站起來了你數據多久能夠彙整有一個評估報告 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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接下來邀請王逸川委員發言 |
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主席我們請台鐵杜董事長請杜董事長委員好董事長好現在台鐵變公司化跟你們原來的預期你覺得效果如何 |
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跟委員報告,我們有按照我們原來的步調跟我們的規劃在走。有沒有遇到阻礙?阻礙有,但是要克服。要克服,跟你們預計的期程都滿符合了?目前是還上升符合了。 |
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那這個因為部長跟你都提到農曆過年前臺鐵不會漲價對不對是那農曆過年後就會漲價對不對這個要等到我們把我們票價合理化的規劃報到部裡去你們已經規劃好了啦只是還沒送嘛我們還沒有送我們公司的董事會降價嗎 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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至少我可能會被影響到因為我不是常客大概這樣問好了大概一個月如果你做超過幾次超過幾次你是不會被影響的是 |
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跟委員報告第一個就是如果是使用TPAS的客人他是不會被影響的因為他的票價不在我們合理化的一個調動裡面那第二個就是如果我們用這個我們常客來講的話基本上我們現在已經有調整我們常客的優惠的制度而且我們也有推出定期票常客為什麼不買TPAS |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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就是說我在高鐵站走走走走走啊我知道我到台鐵了 |
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你有沒有這種感覺?有,我有這種感覺那怎麼辦?要跟委員報告,那個是我們比較臺鐵比較算是成就一點的車站如果現在委員你有到比如說高雄或台中我們新漁業...台中沒有什麼問題,像那個臺北就有明顯嘛對對,這個我們有重置計畫其實高雄也很明顯啦 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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有啦你一定有啦請問一下你有沒有發現他們的地板啊為什麼台鐵的列車廁所的地板因為都淡落落然後高鐵的都不會淡落落 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那第一個可能是使用量的關係啦因為我們台鐵列車真的我們的在車上的時間也比較久一點不像高鐵高鐵在車上時間比較短我給你一個建議啦我有認真想過這個題目我也認真測試過第一個台鐵的廁所啊那個水龍頭跟那個 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請陳世凱部長請陳部長 |
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好 陳部長 延續剛剛幾個委員大家關心的話題啦我想交通部身為中央主管機關台鐵、高鐵現在都是公司化了對來講應該沒有大小眼吧只要是公司能夠服務所有的鄉親民眾讓2350萬人的交通更提升都應該要給予支持 對不對好 那我先請教一下本席有看到一個新聞是說那個高鐵的年終獎金說會有好消息啊 |
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那請教現在年終獎金今年確定高鐵會有多少了嗎?我聽到的好消息是他們勞資雙方的溝通順暢這是好消息因為勞方也能接受的狀況底下就是好消息那今年年初因為大家看到是說高鐵的這個績效不錯那連同我們當然看到昨天有新聞是自由坐的一個乘客的糾紛但某種程度上大家現在都講啊 |
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高鐵你說自由坐禮拜五晚上南下一位南球禮拜天晚上北上一位南球代表大家都坐高鐵非常的多所以今年有可能會比去年的高鐵年終獎金更高嗎?這個我只能跟委員報告數字我不曉得但是勞資雙方的溝通的過程是順暢的那目前他們應該有得到共識什麼時候可以確認?這個要由高鐵公司來說 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案臺灣港務 |
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以往是因為台鐵公司它是說是公務體系所以會有1.5個月年終那當然現在公司化了尤其是我現在看到是說明年還是虧損的狀況那台鐵公司的員工那麼辛苦也都是同一批人那麼優秀其實我認識非常多台鐵的基層同仁啊大家也都很優秀啊但他們過去的講是說是交通部這個媽媽管太多啊好像有很多的一個競爭很多的路線不願意讓他們跟高鐵公司來 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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各位委員報告這個年終獎金的部分我們現在公司有兩類的同仁那留任的人員他就是受到條例保障所以他不會有所差異就照以往的方式來發放那另外還有大概5%左右是新進的從業人員那這個要點已經搬下來了所以我們會依據要點的規定要點規定是什麼 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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公務員報告未來絕對有信心但是現在在公司化這個未來我們看得到嗎?看得到可以在你的任內完成嗎?這個是這樣就是我們不敢回答公務員報告不是不敢回答今年是我們第一年公司化的第一年我們在第一年的話我們還是有按照我們的進度在走那我也坦白講像今年跟明年我們還是會有虧損的 |
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那這個虧損會不會影響到這個剛剛講的這個我們從業人員的考程發放這個我們會積極來做處理 |
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報告委員這個部分要幫台鐵的員工講一句話其實台鐵有一些虧損是因為政策性的政策性造成的虧損是就是台鐵過去到現在因為交通部認為說我們就是台鐵的政策角色是相對來講跟高鐵不同也因此很多的台鐵員工也都認為說很委屈甚至有講是說如果說開放 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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臺北董事長今年一定會有年終獎金部長這樣承諾那另外中華電信公會現在也有做相關的訴求那跟資方的協商也破局 |
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法人代表所以說我們現在講的是說當這些事情都是過去沒有發生或是過去發生的時候交通部有比較積極的主導角色那我們現在也看到要求的是合理的部分讓所有的工會的 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那之前我記得我看到計畫是114年啊所以你們是114年就要開始做計畫的一個啟動那還有我也要求在既有油槽遷移的這個啟動開始計畫評估之後原本的油槽遷移的那一塊用地也就是在巴黎台北港港內的這塊用地要做後續的規劃使用這一個部分也要一併的有計畫好所以來簡單你回應一下就好 |
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我們都按照這個期程在進行大概115年那把那個懸垣設施往外移是繼續規劃那一塊是我也特別讓部長了解部長您的轄區任內很多的商港臺北港是重中之重 |
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那其中這個由朝遷移從過去規劃本席也從上一屆到現在都一直關注所以既然有寫出來我也現在一定要求這個計畫如期如實並且連同遷移完之後的那一塊用地的用途也要開始著手作業去做規劃後續的用途好不好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝洪孟凱委員 |
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陳培宇委員發言台鐵董事長 |
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董事長我每次看到你都想要跟你討論臺鐵的文資保存我們來看頭影片上個月11月9號臺鐵發了一個新聞稿說臺鐵為了文資編了非常多的預算還成立了鐵路文化保存及活用小組還說已經開了11次的會議所以看起來如果從會議上來看跟相關預算 |
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看起來臺鐵對於文資保存是有一些信心跟決心的可是我想要問臺鐵內部在開這些會議的時候到底對於文資的認定標準是什麼我會說之前其實有所謂原訓中心500箱資料遺失的事情我知道你們後來有找專家學者討論還有之前基隆的樂臺的那個銅架的問題也是因為有新聞出了網友快速跟積極熱躍的討論所以臺鐵做出了回應可是我當時就提醒 |
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不要因為發生新聞事件我們才來看臺鐵的文資喔我們來看一下下一個在你們的新聞稿裡面呢說保存文資可是我們看到預算的困境卻被你們自己做了調整我會說是一個砍掉預算是因為你們營運的壓力很大嗎那到底喔那個董事長你看一下當你們發了這個文資的臉書文之後呢底下的留言都在罵你們說那各式各樣大家擔心的那些老火車到哪裡去了 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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董事長我想問一下你怎麼看臺鐵目前文資保存的問題跟困境?還有我也想要請你說明你們自己認為你們目前的困境到底是什麼?那個委員報告其實包括我本人在內我其實是蠻注重我們臺鐵的這個文資 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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我們辦公室會在持續追蹤臺鐵關於這些文資文物的保存我認為現在沒有開放多元透明的狀況還有我也認為臺鐵應該要積極的定期對外報告這件事情我認為更多的公民參與這件事情其實絕對是有助於臺鐵把相關文資做好請不要把這些民間專業的聲音排斥在外我覺得這個非常非常可惜不要等到每次新聞事件爆發出來之後我們才會回頭去想要去協助那個個案 |
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好謝謝董事長最後一題主席不好意思我想要講一下我上次問了關於這個臺鐵安全的事情呢那聽說你們就召開了相關的會議聽說在相關會議上大家沒有共識所以說這件事情就不要做就繼續放著我不知道部長知不知道這件事情但是我想董事長您應該要知道這件事情我想要知道到底你們目前對於這個部分你們的想法跟規劃到底是什麼 |
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這件事指那個我們在駕駛臺上的這個我們現在還在跟我們工會還有我們同仁溝通那民眾乘坐車子的安全你們怎麼看這件事情如果最後只是因為工會內部沒有共識可是我們沒有辦法導入更好的更安全的機制來保障民眾的安全我會認為這件事情不能用工會沒有共識來對人民做交代 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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好,我真的希望董事長你今天說的話真的可以作為民眾乘坐台鐵很重要安全的保障但是如果國外都已經有相關做法而我們臺灣卻遲遲不肯沿用我認為你們也要給出一個說法跟交代為什麼公會做出這樣的決議我們台鐵就決定採用那甚至交通部也必須要買單這樣的建議我認為這件事情還有待商榷我們也會再持續追蹤好,謝謝董事長,謝謝主席好,謝謝委員好,謝謝陳培育委員 |
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接下來邀請張祺凱委員發言請陳副長 |
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臺灣好山好水,臺灣最美的風景就是人可是啊,最新統計說我們的觀光逆差一年大概就有八千億那政府現在做了很多大傻逼啊,包括很多外國人來我們就給他補助啦那不能那麼大內宣為什麼那個觀光逆差越來越嚴重 |
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報告委員這幾年確實在疫情過後我們這個旅客來臺的人數有在增加但恢復的速度確實是不夠快沒有快過於我們的國人出國的速度所以確實有產生一些逆差但他那個數據怎麼算出來我是不曉得我不曉得那個數據到底是否精準逆差是說我們出去國人出去 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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報告委員這只有兩種結果這個立法院要幫人民勘解荷包嘛只有兩種結果嘛對不對第一個你要更努力趕快把人找進來對不對旅客多一點第一個再沒有績效再不好那一定是砍掉預算嘛是不是只有這兩個 |
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八卦山要做離山其實我們地方很多的觀光景點的建設也都是用這方面的預算這個不是只有看到國外的旅客的部分那也跟委員報告其實連續這三年國外來臺的旅客是一直在增加的不過增加的速度沒有 |
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沒有恢復到疫情之前的水準這是事實但今年的人數比去年還多去年是649萬我剛有跟委員報告我們在12月3號臺灣的來臺觀光人數已經突破700萬已經比去年還高那我們明年也會再比今年還高所以這個部分我們緩步在努力不過地方的觀光的資源的建設這個不能停我們要必須要繼續把它做好未來觀光客才會更願意來 |
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副長要加油啦這個數據都會講話啦要更加速一點要不然老實講你現在立法院要審預算啊你明明來的人就一直減少金額一直在增加跟人民也沒辦法交代好不好要更加油另外一個大的問題你現在去算有看到一個很嚴重的問題不是來的人減少平均消費也減少 |
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平均消費減少的部分我們希望說大家來臺灣可以做一些比較消費性強一點的活動跟動作這個部分我們也請觀光署去想辦法跟旅行社這邊怎麼配合讓他們來臺灣多做一些消費這個我們比較具體來做好不好大概一個月內你請觀光署那邊討論一下提高人均消費嗎對對對提高你怎麼這樣第一個人來已經減少了啊來了以後他消費又降低 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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服務業的部分其實普遍臺灣的薪資水準大概都會蠻平均不會只有針對旅宿業特別低其他的部分應該大家會蠻平均那這個部分必須要全國大家一起來努力那我們也有在呼籲因為旅宿業者常跟我們反映說他們徵不到人那我們也在呼籲他們也希望他們可以提高薪資你如果提高薪資或許你就不會有缺工的問題找不到人就是因為薪水太低需要薪礦 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那就是延續剛才齊蓋偉所提到的那目前來講就是大部分人是來臺這個觀光啊少了差不多其實將近九成那這個部長是不是回應這個是政策性的問題 |
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報告委員我們也很希望中國的觀光客可以多一些來臺灣就交通部的立場是非常的歡迎那我所知道的是我們的對岸其實有些政治上面的限制那我們也是其實有呼籲過我們的對岸是不是可以把政治的限制可以把它解開因為臺灣的人民要去任何一個地方旅遊其實都很自由 |
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本期還是認為其實目前普遍的民眾還是認為其實過去馬英九執政時期的時候那像兩岸的這個交流包括中國大陸人士來臺的這個部分那其實是非常的多人的啦所以那時候不管是在全臺各地包括南投日月潭都是有非常好的觀光榮景那在這個政策上面的溝通我覺得那當然是 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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那同時就是在這一段期間的話我們看到這個南韓他們這個戒嚴的這個之亂那我們當然在以臺灣跟南韓的一個交情跟互動那我們當然都希望南韓他們都能夠平平安安那我們大家其實都是有很好的情誼那所以當然我們都不會去挺戒嚴那同樣的就是說在以交通跟觀光的面向來講許多民眾就在思考 |
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如何在這段期間交通部或是觀光署能夠祭俗一些方案因為大家現在覺得可能南韓去旅遊有這個疑慮的過程中那如何能夠讓亞洲這些國家能夠在這段期間能夠多多吸引來臺灣旅遊觀光那我想問一下這個部分應該部長也有思考過那這個方案怎麼樣 |
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報告委員其實我們在亞洲各國的這個招攬或者是吸引國外的遊客來臺灣的部分其實都一直在做努力包含從您剛剛所提到的南韓我們也做了很多的努力找代言人辦活動等等之類的或參加旅展在日本也是一樣那所以這段時間當然有些旅客國際的旅客對於南韓可能有一些擔心那我們也希望說如果亞洲反正也都很近可以來臺灣是最好的 |
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有沒有什麼特別的方案或在這段時間來去做一些觀光宣傳的加強報告委員您這樣提醒的話我就趕快跟觀光署來討論一下看怎麼樣在這段時間來就鄰近的國家我們要用什麼樣的方式來迎客那我在想就是部長還是把這個討論的情況到時候也來做一個說明因為我在想這個次期來臺的這個觀光人次也是您的目標那也是大家眾所期待 |
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那接著的話本席針對日月潭電動船補助的部分那也想請等一下航港局長來一起說明一下那當然我知道部長上個禮拜才來南投日月潭參加環法之影車賽的這個運動 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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跟委員報告居立面就是剛委員提到這個我們城鎮市督導的這個戰略這個第7個重要工作那目前居立面正在辦理這個我國內水的載客船舶電動化的推動計畫的一個規劃我們委託專業機構在進行全國性這個包括 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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目前這個目標我們還在調查這個設定當中那這邊日月潭的部分我們也跟觀光署這邊積極的在合作那日管處這邊原來就定有這個相關的補助要點那也持續在推動中 |
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那我們現在就是針對我們目前規劃中的這個推動計畫呢我們希望除了原來日月潭所擬定的這些補助項目之外我們希望再提高一些誘因這裡面包括既有既有的船舶的這個這個補助臺灣的補助另外一個是業者非常關心的電池的二次的補助那我們也會增設相關的安電設施來提高這個船舶所有人參與的一個誘因 |
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好那局長我在這邊直接跟您確認就是在過去的話其實是日管處在負責這個中端但是其實日管處該負責的應該是觀光發展那而船舶的部分在這次也已經確定由航港局來做主責那在這一個船舶補助的部分那在這次補助確定能夠讓業者是能夠積極推動這個船舶自動化的更新是在這個49%的這個標準是可以嗎 |
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現在就是說日月潭的部分我想我們會再跟觀光署溝通是不是併進來我們的這個整體的計畫?原因上的話應該是要由航港局來去做這個船舶補助比較適當那再來日月潭那個風管處那邊應該是在於觀光人口的引進所以說這個該有的權責應該還是要 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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所以說這個部分要跟業者重分溝通也同時政府情況要祭出誘因所以說在剛才的部分還沒有回答到預期明年度能夠溝通多少能夠達到更新那這樣子所設定的補助跟預算這樣子等於是沒有達到實際的效果 |
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那本局在這裡還是再次強調就是航港局也要再跟這個包括產發署以及包括能源局還有包括環保環境部那來去做一個溝通因為在今年的行政措施計畫管考建議的部分那環境部相關計畫一致來達到配合推動這個包括船舶自動化的相關補助那目前在管考的過程中都還在溝通的建議 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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14847.334 |
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中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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市長,我先討論路面運輸的問題,我本身是開電動車,那其實電動車都會有,畢竟少數的群體都會有相關的一些群組社團,常常都會討論一件事情,三不時就會討論一件事情,明年底,今天2024年嘛對不對,明年底2025年底的時候,那有一件事情可能會對電動車車主有一些改變,制度上的改變,您知道嗎? |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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我想確認一下我們現在交通部的一個立場就單純就燃料費的部分我們針對電動車的燃料費免徵的這部分目前有沒有進行相關的討論假設說明年底之後要開徵了那開徵的計算方式是怎麼樣或是說你們也要繼續延長免徵的相關規範包委員這個確實我們有內部有在做討論那討論的部分我請市長跟委員 |
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因為汽燃費的部分最主要是要分配給這個地方政府做那個道路養護這個養護部分那目前啦就是國內這個電動車到今年大概應該臨底應該會到這個9萬輛那目前9萬輛這個免徵的稅額的部分基本上還不會影響到這個我們分配給各地方的部分啦 |
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那我們這個目前大概內部討論的一個這個結果按照目前的這個量的話應該啦在2030這個時間點之前的話應該都還能夠維護這個還能夠維持這個免徵契纜費這樣子的一個這個誘因啦 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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今年的銷量大概是去年的1.5倍對差不多那明年大概會是今年的如果說抓1.5倍的話你們照這樣子的比例來算的話到2030年都還是你們可以負擔的範圍對我們初步這個估算到2030年應該還不會實質影響這是目前的估算那如果委員您剛剛所提醒的就是說它增加的速度如果太快我們總是 |
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財政部有詢問我們相關意見嗎? |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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財政部來問我們交通部的立場那電動車它課稅的方式的計算方式要比照過去嗎還是希望有定一個新的方向這部分我跟委員報告一下其實就是說即使不談現行這一個就是說免徵稅費的部分 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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燃料費的部分會說其實過去有討論過要不要隨由徵收嘛但是在電動車問事之後隨由徵收已經是不太可能的一件事情了那我們未來有沒有相關討論的一個方式就是說剛剛講的你是完全要照新技術來來來做調整還是說一併因應電動車的一個問事普及化之後那我們來調整一下我們的氣燃費的一個計算方式 |
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請市長好不好這個部分我跟委員報告一下確實就是說談到有的部分就是用路不用有用有不用路這個課題所以還是大家還是比較傾向維持現在隨車徵收的部分那這裡面而後到這個電動車的部分的話裡面就有一些剛剛所提到的一個部分 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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多數人都不會有意見但是以徵收的計算方式希望能夠用一個大家能夠接受比較公平的方式來考慮我也希望部長後續也能夠把這件事情能夠當作我們部內的一個定期討論的一個重點麻煩部長提早來研議來列管這樣子的一個方案出來好不好謝謝部長謝謝市長謝謝委員好謝謝廖先祥委員接下來邀請蔡易宇委員發言 |
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交通部陳部長、鐵道局楊局長、台鐵公司杜董事長 |
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部長這個上個月吧我跟那個我們嘉義縣長我們翁章良縣長那有去交通部拜訪您那也跟你討論了關於嘉義縣的高價化水上段 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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15535.795 |
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包委員您一直在爭取也一直在要求那這個部分確實在重啟評估的部分因為過去的經濟的狀況跟現在整個嘉義縣的整體的發展是不太一樣的包含我所知道水上車站它的附近也應該有工業區了有一個南京產業園區那現在正在開發中 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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15601.816 |
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剛剛楊局長在講說我們的規劃是用未來30年在做規劃未來30年所以未來30年它整個都市的規劃其實都可以納進來所以上一次的規劃你們這個對嘉義縣的未來30年你們看錯了幾次上一次的規劃或許你們上一次小看我們上一次的規劃還沒有台積電這件事是啊是啊所以上一次你們小看我們嘛所以未來不一樣 |
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所以我才說嘉義最近這段時間的整個工商業發展跟過去非常不一樣當然當然這幾年我事實上整個相關的部會有重視嘉義所以事實上嘉義爭取到了包括產業園區包括台積電也願意在嘉義設廠這是我們的一個機會啦所以我現在要跟部長這樣講比較具體的 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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這個跟委員報告這個是可以考量納入但是基本上嘉義跟彰化性質不太一樣所以說在嘉義有什麼樣的一個比較我們沒有要說跟彰化完全複製我是說這個調度廠嘛因為那也是一個很大的空間那這個空間我感覺起來 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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接下來邀請鄭天才委員發言主席我們請部長請陳部長還有鐵道級楊局長還有台鐵公司董事長請杜威董事長部長好委員好 |
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這個北迴鐵路上次我也提過1973年12月25號動工然後在1979年12月完工花了6年的時間就完工然後每一次從1979年一直到今年0403地震發生 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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部長還有交通部的所有同仁包括台鐵公司積極的港工然後已經通車雙向通車了雙向通車我要請教的是未來的有沒有什麼其他的規劃還是這樣就OK了 |
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報告委員當然有中期跟長期的規劃啦現階段我們當然趕快讓他恢復雙向雙軌的通車雙向雙軌的通車讓他的運作可以更順暢一點班次可以再更多加一點點那另外呢你也應該非常了解你也到縣地去看過好多次我們一起在那個地方好多次他那個地方現在土石流還相當的嚴重 |
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所以現在的路廊或許已經沒有像過去這麼的安全所以中期來講的話我們當然要在現有的路線上面做強固但以長期來講的話我們要做一個永續的計畫那個永續的計畫就是有部分的路段可能現在的路廊已經不敷使用或者是已經真的太危險改善也覺得不夠安全的時候我們就會做路線的稍微變更所以有中期跟長期的計畫不會像現在這樣子 |
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這個期程110年5月到117年4月總共要6.5年了為什麼特別把這個剛才這個北回鐵路6年當時的相關的工程技術還有什麼相關的這些設施設備都不如現在然後有22座的大橋16座的隧道 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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謝謝鄭天才委員接下來邀請葉元之委員發言 |
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請找部長請陳部長 |
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副長好,跟你請教一下因為我有看到你有提到說台鐵會不會漲價要等到農曆年後才比較有可能提出嘛而且您提到說社會要務實討論那大概具體來說什麼時候會提出我會這樣問是因為我覺得很多通勤族實際上都會很想要知道說到底什麼時候會漲價因為他們可以預先安排嘛有的人可能會他可能要搬到離家裡面近一點啊或者是選擇其他的交通工具等等 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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我想說臺鐵要漲價可能已經是個必然趨勢但是我覺得旅客可能會要求臺鐵服務品質要提高因為太多人反應說臺鐵的準點率真的非常低 |
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那我們是有看到臺鐵是有講說準點率已經非常高了比如說什麼已經達到反正今年要設定97%嘛然後但是1到8月說達到93.01%然後志強號是85%準點率可是這個準點率我們都知道說這不是實際的狀況因為臺鐵的準點率跟我們一般旅客想像不一樣你們是在一定的霧點的範圍內你們都算準點嘛對吧大概霧點幾分鐘算準點 |
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五分鐘五分鐘對嘛可是一般民眾他不會接受這樣啦五分鐘對大家來說整個累積下來都是很長一個時間所以我我覺得當然你會說這是什麼國際標準什麼可是實際上旅客的感受國際標準是但是實際上旅客的感受不是旅客都希望能夠準點高準點啦因為就是大家為什麼要搭台鐵就是因為時間可以看嘛 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務 |
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沒有沒有沒有根委員報告齁記公記過這種獎懲的事好沒有記就對了啦齁那問題是當時你是說要給交通部來決定我還有一個要提提到的事決定當然是交通部來決定但是你有幫自己提嘛人家講的是說你怎麼會幫自己提大公這件事情嘛沒有這件事報告委員當時如果有提我就會收到但實際上我沒收到因為被罵之後後來就沒送嘛 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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對你這個就是明顯的誤導啦你這個就是明顯的誤導那因為你的誤導所以造成很多觀光客現在本來以為有補助就去了嘛後來有的退房了所以業者講說大概退了三成左右那有的民眾很錯愕本來想說有補助去就排定之後後來發現沒補助其實這也是一個很錯愕的狀況然後再來我想問說因為五月天之前因為颱風延期嘛當時也有一個補助那這個會受到經費補助影響還是有保留 |
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報告委員我們的預算已經結束就是結束了所以當時本來講說五月天演唱會因為颱風颱風結束然後延期然後他們所得到的3500萬補助本來也說會順延現在是指說五月天的補助也沒了是不是因為我們的預算已經用完所以五月天補助也沒有了 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。七、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。八、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。七、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。八、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。 |
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據12月19日星期四中午12點截止收件本次會議到此結束,現在散會。謝謝 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
IVOD_ID |
16351 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16351 |
日期 |
2024-12-09 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-14 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
14 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Full |
開始時間 |
2024-12-09T08:31:16+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-12-09T13:10:00+08:00 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |