| IVOD_ID |
163455 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163455 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T15:13:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T15:29:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/affd0e2636d87bdfdb34bbc94215e548a8bba6e65b10b0a5377809ece1d1afc7e3ae72de851352f65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:13:45 - 15:29:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝院長那我們是不是有請卓院長以及我們陳政委麻煩再請卓院長陳政委備詢 |
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蔡委員好謝謝辛苦了謝謝院長好院長丹納斯颱風從布袋登陸登陸的地方就是布袋的新聞我自己的故鄉我就是在那邊出生 |
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那丹納斯颱風就是沿著巴掌溪那十七級風加進來所以我們看到從布袋新聞它的變電所是特高壓電塔就倒殺機然後沿路沿著巴掌溪所以我們看到議場包括大廈啦包括幾樓啊沿路的電感可以說吼無一幸免全部的電感倒光光 |
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所以他再往外再拓出去這個十七西方的力量所以我們看到有藝族然後在旁邊入朝然後在旁邊鋪紙甚至以南的台南七國 中軍那些都是電話條的 |
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倒掉的一個重災區所以從這裡事實上已經可以看出說像這一種氣候的這樣的一個緊急的一個狀況然後17級風進來的時候我們就看到了說哇這個很多我們過去的基礎設施它的這個韌性的問題 |
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那這一次為什麼修復電的時間最長的到了第十天才復電這中間很多台電的人員非常辛苦我們就可以知道說整個電網的問題就在於說他要先修復主幹線主幹線之後才有分期限所以院長包括你第一時間就來布袋你就背我在新聞在看那個特高壓電塔的一個修復的狀況但是我們如果在那個特高壓的一個電塔我們讓它地下化 |
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那些特高壓電塔是地下化的也許就不會有因為要先修理特高壓電塔才去修理那些主幹線甚至主幹線如果是地下化的 |
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這部分可以直接就是可以進入這些台電能源直接就是進入家戶去修理所以我們可以知道說整個我們要強化這樣的地方的基礎建設那這一次的特別條例也有所謂電網的一個強韌要怎麼樣電纜強韌那我認為應該從台電的特高壓以及它的主幹線 |
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這部分我們是不是就可以先來做給他地下化剩餘的部分再來是這個地方是會陰水還是不會陰水再來考慮要不要地下化是不是院長我們朝這樣來努力是 台電的品工工過去到現在的經驗 |
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義煙水跟地層下限地區要做地下電纜確實有它自行工程上的困難那我們現在如果排除這些個地區之外能夠朝地下化去做的我們在克服工程技術各方面我們來籌措經費逐年來改善 |
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那至於沒有辦法做到地下化的我曾經跟那個爬上屋電線桿上去施工的工程單位的人聊過他們認為他們也希望說比方說不要像現在一整排的電桿同樣的規模我們其中有幾根是特別強韌的讓它倒下來就是一節一節的不會全部整排都倒下來可能是5隻倒下來5隻其他都還在 |
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如果中間加一段一段的強化的韌性的電線感用比較好的鋼質把它撐起來的話或許可以救急非地下化工程所能夠達到的目標那這個都請台電目前在研究當中我想我們未來再增加電網韌性除了10年有5000億我們縮短到4年來執行之外我們在這次的特別條例跟風災特別條例跟韌性特別條例當中我們都希望可以給台電更多餘的這些經費讓他 |
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一方面搶修搶險一方面就近的這些韌性加強也在做適度的加強預算好 院長我們很樂見我們要朝這樣的調整強化整個電網的韌性但是我們也知道說過去在做電纜的一個地下化在預算的分配上面可能就是台電要負擔一半剩下一半是地方政府負擔但是我們在這一次知道說這一種 |
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全面的如果我們真的要去推主幹線的地下化第一地方政府能量負擔這個能量是不足的第二台電現在你叫他負擔事實上他的負擔是很重所以第一個我們用特別條例特別預算來協助這一塊第二個我認為這些主幹線通常是落在地方的公路總局就是我們以前講的新的 |
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包括台17船 台19船 甚至台3船這些心得類是在向公路總局如果可以在這部分也負擔他們應該要有的一個相對應的一個責任的話我覺得適度也可以讓台電他們下降很多壓力那這部分你是不是也可以來參考一下我們這個建議是合理的我們往這個方向來做財政結構的這個分配那由中央因為電網 |
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它是一個國土任性的問題 中央該負比較多的責任 |
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好那這部分就我們也是期待啦為這個特別預算來改觀再來就是說丹納斯後啦接下來就是強降雨啦所以台灣那包括泰布雷他曾經就是在三小時下降了400公里的雨量這個是非常的多所以然後接下來整個造成了過去的防洪標準他沒有辦法 |
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達到這次的強降雨然後造成很多議題甚至就蔓延的一個狀況所以我也希望說我們為這次的特別條例事實上我們嘉義有很多需要治水的地方是需要這次特別條例來做一個處理第一就是我們的河拔水白水 |
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這個哈巴蘇 院長你也有來看你也有來我們浩駐家阿含那邊的鄉親甚至我們知道有一個鄉親他流著眼淚然後跟院長說希望未來不要再淹水了但是我們知道這個哈巴蘇白水壘事實上它的治理工程已經到達了80%以上的治理但是看起來還是無法因應這樣的一個強降雨過去我們是用25年的防洪標準看起來不夠 這部分可能需要加強 |
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那剩下的包括六角排水 它也是不水如果加白水的話 實際上它的地利壓不到50%所以它後面還有很長一段這一段預算就需要很多如果說我們從過去的前瞻預算 |
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都只能治理一半的話我希望院長我們這次能不能再特別條例我們以及未來你所說的我們要再用一千萬一千億的特別預算四年一千億的特別預算讓這個六角排水全斷 |
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這幾年就可以直接讓他全段可以讓他完成不然永遠是一段一段走上去你一段一段走上去你還是有一個問題就是說因為你上游的地方它的承載量一旦超出了它就會拔出來 拔出來就會去那裡產產的這樣蔓延過去下游的村莊還是都種 |
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還是全部都會淹水所以這個淹水的問題我們真的是希望要加速過去都卡在說我們基於預算的考量逐年變類逐年變類現在每天風太大風太大就逐年還是要淹水所以這問題我們還是希望院長你能夠在我們包括哈巴蘇白水我們嘉義六哈白水我們的南京大白這幾條比較重要的我們要都是我們 |
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我們可不可以這邊用比較 |
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一次到位的預算然後來解決這裡的淹水問題是的過去我們都比較著重在中央館河川中央館河川的整治率已經相當一個程度了那這一次的四年一千億就是明定他是在縣市館河川的改善計畫所以會進到剛剛委員所說那幾個縣市館的河川過去縣市館河川他比較沒有自己的能力 |
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做那麼徹底的清淤或者整治的工程或是一樣的加高甚至出海口的這個抽排的增加加強等等那我們希望透過這一次的四年千億的限水管核酸改善能夠把這個部分給它補強回來 |
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好所以跟院長我剛剛有跟你報告的包括六角排水他可能還需要三十幾億你說南境排水這個全部都加起來我估計可能要再差五十幾億因為過去都是一段一段做所以現在可能預算規模很大那我們就如同院長剛說的我們逐年來編列我們趕快在這個一千億的預算中然後來協助這一塊 |
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但是我要跟院長說從去年的凱米事實上我們也看到說中央管的河川輸菌的問題還是持續中去年凱米颱風後我們在第五河川分屬它輸菌了超過400萬方的土方輸菌了這些所以在今年的強降雨巴掌溪沒有溢流了就是巴掌溪有效果 |
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但是你看這個沙頂 沙頂落大河結果那些土石流又沿著上游又下來我們看到整個巴蘭溪內上面的土都這樣流下來所以還是要持續要有輸進的需求 |
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所以是不是我們在這一次特別條例裡面它裡面沒有講到疏浚這塊那我自己我提一個對岸我希望可以把疏浚這一塊還是把它納入在我們這一次的災後重建的條例然後持續要有預算 |
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來做這一個重要河川的一個輸進這部分可以嗎中央管河川的輸進我們在年度的公務預算當中就會有所編列那我再來檢討就這一次風災好雨之後優先應該整治地區我們會把它挑出來能夠及時來改善好那謝謝院長那接下來再來講農業的問題農業的這次 |
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事實上想不到啦 這17級風啦17級風齁 差不多在我們嘉義我們泰國本來大概是很多青榮返鄉然後在那邊做溫王寺的一個耕作所以那邊的青榮很多都投入然後都做溫王寺那這次這個風這麼強縱使他用西新崗或者是他用阿館的齁這樣的一個溫王寺都垂海去 |
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行政院 行政團隊也很棒啊農業部長也是說好 我們要怎麼協助這些青龍讓他們恢復迅速恢復他們的生產能量好 現在要恢復生產能量我們就要說好 我們這個溫王寺補助八成補助八成這個青龍大家都覺得這樣有感受到我們行政院的一個誠意但是因為災害有很多不同的樣態 |
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有的是我們是倒的 有的是沒倒沒倒的 他是胖子破了胖子破了 你就要整個換新結果我們就看到了說 你說胖子過去了胖子現在一分底 你要修理好差不多要三十五萬我們就是給他照以往的就是補助十萬一分地補助十萬 |
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結果後來就產生了這樣的一個有感覺會有感覺不講白的就是說如果我溫室是倒掉的倒掉的我補助八成我蓬勃催去的催廢去的我比較補助三十五萬補助十萬定於三成不夠所以他說乾脆 |
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我的溫室抓整個就直接把它夾掉說它也是毀損 當然這樣不好這樣是不好 而且浪費預算所以我們想這一塊是不是我們在蓬勃上去的這塊能不能做一個調整然後讓因為我們現在已經宣布了溫室導調補助八成結果它的蓬勃的部分是不是可以這部分來做一個調整一下 |
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我跟委員說明這件事情我也注意到了就是我們在處理這個溫室設施的部分重建的部分是八成沒問題那設施那個帆布的就是塑膠布的部分因為它是一個消耗性耗材那我也去調查了現在的所有的這些成本所以我現在正準備從原來的三分之一再往上調一些因為我覺得那個落差太大所以這個部分我們已經有在處理好 看能不能再調整一下 |
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那現在青龍 因為青龍他也要恢復他的工作事實上還是需要時間然後就是叫文廣式的修繕可是文廣式的修繕大概有要做我們市的公司的那幾間他們也面臨到缺工的一個問題 缺工事實上他們現在需要工也真的是掉不工 |
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所以有沒有可能在這段時間我們讓這些做溫廣式的他們可能會有工會讓他們工會一樣可以納入所謂的外展的一個制度這樣因為特區外展他們可能就可以再去聘請一些移工然後來協助這段時間需要密集的來修繕這些溫廣式 |
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這部分有沒有辦法來協助我跟委員說明外展移工的部分在溫室的確現在的工班也很難處理我們也預估要全部把它重新修好至少要8到12個月會拉得很長所以我想我們會盡快的跟勞動部來協調不過 |
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引進外籍醫工那個可能必須時間會比較長至少要半年以後的事情所以我們現在就是我們也協調了溫室工會看他們彼此是不是可以做一些比較好的一個分工然後有一些是屬於協助工的部分我們會來幫他找一些比較臨時來做協助的這些人力來滿足他們的需求好 |
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最後一個議題就是因為我們現在正在講要加速復原可是加速復原的壓力在哪裡在基層 尤其是公所的公務人員但是我們從這一次知道可以很深的感受這個工程人員不夠 |
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工程人員不足 辦理發包的尤其是在公所這一塊公所他建設課的人以最高值等就到八值等所以他基本上是留不住人的他人都會跑到縣政府甚至是跑到中央政府中央政府值等比較高這個值等的一個差距已經造成公所留不住 |
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接下來就來一個整個的一個進步所以中國租金電廠也可以來檢討一下怎麼讓集成的三級證可以留得住這樣一個工程的難度好不好 除非有真的家族代表明顯有討論過六度跟非六度的那種不太拉近那主委現在請求重新再來六度對 那是六度跟非六度但是還沒有處理到三級證因為三級證是一塊 |
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好 謝謝蔡議員的資訊謝謝左院長 各部會首長 |