iVOD / 163446

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IVOD_ID 163446
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163446
日期 2025-08-12
會議資料.會議代碼 院會-11-3-24
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第3會期第24次會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 3
會議資料.會次 24
會議資料.種類 院會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第3會期第24次會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-08-12T10:48:46+08:00
結束時間 2025-08-12T11:05:26+08:00
影片長度 00:16:40
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 張啓楷
委員發言時間 10:48:46 - 11:05:26
會議時間 2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 第11屆第3會期第24次會議(事由:一、討論事項:本院台灣民眾黨黨團,建請院會作成決議:「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當?請公決案等13案。(8月8日)二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席,提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。(8月12日)三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 凱委員質詢局副魁委員請準備謝謝院長請院長麻煩再請左院長備選
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 張委員好院長你去年剛上任的時候啊那時候民意滿意度是高的那時候有五成多六成嘛對不對昨天TBS最新民調已經跌破三成了賴總統正式跌破三成你們兩個都創歷史上的這個新低總統變成一個28%的總統然後這個問卷特別在問
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 很多時候他們有提出哀求跟請求包括總統都曾經面對災民 災民提了三大的哀求後來都沒做屋頂要人幫忙蓋 國軍要過去通信都不通 都沒有做所以今天要痛定思痛特別現在台風又進來了 總統又進來了我先問你一個最直接的今天已經好幾個立委都問過你這個事了
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 你剛才講這是非常嚴重對不對是嚴重你們是在台北睡著了還是在搞大罷免我們沒有睡著你們不曉得台南跟嘉義那麼嚴重為什麼前進值為什麼可以晚那麼多天我在7月6號長者遲了24天台風入境發布的前一天我就去到彰化跟雲林
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 你以前設過在位你設過避暑地嗎你的發言人怎麼可以講說以前從來沒有設置過中央層級的前進指揮所呢要更正這個消息
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 報告委 我回答一句就好這個指揮所是災後復原指揮所所以當然是災後的復原至於災害的當下應變救災是中央應變中心那麼中央跟地方都是依照法律規定第一時間就成立所以我在說明的是這個指揮所是災後復原的指揮所
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 當天喔 颱風一登陸行政院長陳聰馬上指示中央災害應變中心指揮官內政部長李鴻元在什麼地方成立前進指揮所屏東啊 為什麼要成立這個一定是在災區嘛 最嚴重在台南在嘉義一定要指揮所在那裡嘛今天在討論的 院長現在我要跟你講的我要跟你講這個非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 電訊系統毀損太多 我們要復原所以成立了剛剛金德政委所說的復原的前進指揮所就是因為災情太嚴重 你更早一點就要下去啊你要動員所有各個部會的這個力量啊跟阿滴一樣 帶你們鄉親去什麼事情有看到你們中央管理下去嗎你除了去了幾次你為什麼沒有一個前進指揮所在那邊可以一直幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 齁? 齁? 齁? 齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁齁
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 災防辦做什麼我會調查清楚我會調查清楚這還沒調查過所以你還不曉得這個事情因為內部的請假沒有經過到我不是部會首長級不會到我這裡我會調查清楚這個時間點如果你的主任照出來這個合適嗎因為他去參加APEC會議參加APEC會議
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 參加這個國際的會議比較重要還是現在你這個辦公室成立不就是要防災跟救助嗎兩個非常重要 我一直跟你講颱風的那個後遺症包括屋頂都還沒修好 垃圾也沒有處理好滿目倉儀的時候人民最需要你們幫助的時候 這是一個點第二個 因為我繼續下雨他在這個當頭跑出去開會很痛刺的 他去開會談什麼題目
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 針對丹納斯颱風的因應的這個經驗還在救災中 而且牛步化民間已經 民間都已經退騰了你不留下來好好救災你還跑出去開會 還講一個錯誤的失敗的一個救災的這個經驗院長好好追查清楚 追究責任
transcript.whisperx[28].start 706.008
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 現在我知道他去參加這EPIC會議講話的內容跟委員剛剛所說的他也許就是用這個內容出去交換更多的經驗回來那是不是能夠得到實質的效果我也請秘書長來了解有沒有把會議當中所獲得的資訊拿回來做更多的協助不只是他啦前一任的這個主任行政院災防辦的這個主任吳武泰
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 他還涉及不當場所 性騷擾還被監察院彈劾這個非常非常重要每天應該都要栓井螺絲釘特別是有風災有大雨的時候一個前離任的被監察院彈劾一個現任的風災還在重建當中還在搶救當中跑出去出去參加公務會議 這個可以
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 跟委員解釋那我們可以檢討這個時機業長我再問你另外一個你都有下去勘災勘災應該是最了解前線的在第一線應該是鄉鎮市長對不對是你下去你有去把鄉鎮市長找來嗎
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 有的我們不在後面幾天的行程我特別交代我們不做媒體的公開我們也不做現場的特別的什麼講話儀式只進行現代的瞭解所以這個就沒有通知地方所有的民意代表跟地方的首長那個新莊新莊的這個滯洪池上面是光電板毀壞你知道嗎那個滯洪池誰管的
transcript.whisperx[32].start 814.81
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 當場那個鄉長有到現場來結果你去看管理單位的鄉長你都沒有通知還是後來我去找他的那天我們兩個去泡豬泡豬喝水喝到嚴重泡豬起床你還不通知你知道他那天為什麼出現因為我一早就發放漂白水一些物資他才知道你要去你們連第一線就是因為他跟你檔級不一樣嗎可以這樣嗎
transcript.whisperx[33].start 839.178
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 我後來幾天的心聲我都不想通知媒體跟通知地方首長因為我覺得大家在救災第一辛苦 第二怕影響他沒有很多事情要跟你反映啦來啦 我跟你講這個鄉長黃正哲他在鄉長那裡怎麼說他那時候後來本來要給你陳情書你來不及後來我轉過去給你了他講了一段話你看一下他講啦 把我硬頂皮部會首長去真正要關心的是附近工業區的跟中小企業跟農漁民跟平民百姓
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 經濟部長也去看光電板損壞的 你也去像隔台幾天 高業兵損壞你們可以去看光電板損壞的可是為什麼不多一點時間去關心工業區去關心中小企業 關心農藝民 老百姓我可以把那天的行程拿出來給委員看我們不是去看這個點 是一整天排了很多這是其中的一點到兩個點看光電板只是兩個點而已其他的都是在看其他相關的我做個總結
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 其實啦 這邊的風災牛步化造成了 真的是對不起嘉義跟台南還有災區的這個民眾如果是在 災民已經跟總統當面哀求他提了三大哀求第一個 我防止屋頂被吹走了請幫忙 請幫忙覆蓋總統 說我們要自己爬第二個 希望國軍來協助國軍有協助
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 國進來協助嗎那第五天為什麼災民還必須講要國進來表示表示前面沒有嘛對不對後面有嗎我們第一天就請國進協助後面一直到大雨的時候才開始來嘛對不對你們中間中斷了多少時間這個災民已經越生再到了你們現在還不清楚
transcript.whisperx[37].start 946.305
transcript.whisperx[37].end 970.075
transcript.whisperx[37].text 我跟妳講 剛剛講這件事情因為頭腦變成當天馬上回復 馬上一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復一修復
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝張綺凱雯子昀謝謝 陳院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝