| IVOD_ID |
163414 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163414 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-07T11:26:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-07T11:38:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ce960b47cc6398b9df5fb249f7d7490c70dc6911ab88c3aa0394dc758d122e3143052525fe23673a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:26:01 - 11:38:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員就「美國對等關稅底定後，我國經濟未來之景氣情況及產業全球佈局新規劃」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席有請國務會的劉竹偉劉竹偉 |
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主委你說這個川普總統說要對晶片課百分之百的關稅你說對台灣是大利多這就我覺得很奇怪課一百趴的關稅成本增加一百趴咧晶片廠跟他就一百趴對不對你說晶片股票漲不要忘了台積電漲了五十五塊 |
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台積電漲一塊錢我們的加錢指數漲8.61所以基本上主要是台積電以及其他你剛剛提到中美金有在美國設廠的那些的工廠他們股票漲 |
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其他的股票不漲啊 都跌啊你要仔細看一下啊怎麼會整個是大利多呢我怎麼知道大利多從何講起啊怎麼會一個大利多大利多是說它有在美國設廠當然是零關稅當然是叫大利多對台積電當然是大利多其他沒有設廠的咧請問你啊 你知不知道我們半導體總共有幾家你知道嗎 |
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我講的是利多那利多主要是因為我們主要的產值在是有限的是在這些廠商就是有在美國設廠當然是利多嘛不是零關稅嘛別人是100%嘛當然是利多可是那些沒有去的廠商呢你告訴我現在有幾家的半導體廠商在國內你知道嗎國內現在半導體廠商有幾家半導體廠商的話 |
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我沒有細數過了大概大概應該有10家以上吧不是啦全部半導體產業跟半導體有關係的跟半導體有關係的那就太多了Supply chain都在裡面啊就太多了三四百家啦就業人口多少你知道嗎 |
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三十幾萬啦 三四十萬的就業人口啊2023年的資料半導體相關的產業 包括Supply Chain跟供應鏈加起來 307家就業人口31.7萬人主委啊 我是替你煩惱啊 |
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這三四百家都可以去美國設廠嗎都有這個條件嗎他都像台積電這麼資本這麼雄厚我到處設廠每一家都可以嗎這些沒有去就一百趴勒 |
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他賺了超過100%嗎?我賣2塊錢賺4塊錢賣5塊錢他厲害我有報告過我們有兩個方案一個是短期方案一個是中長期方案短期方案是應急的我們編列930億以上的金額來做這件事你別誤會這個主委我更關心的是什麼你聽我講完 |
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就業人口三十幾萬因為這是2023年的資料現在應該是三十幾萬我最擔心是我替我們下一代擔心你知道嗎這個台積電機設廠馬上少掉幾萬人的這個工程師的就業機會美國去多少委員你這是一個錯誤的訊息台積電在國內的設廠更多所以台積電現在招募的員工一年超過八千 |
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他並沒有讓工作消失你不要跟我計程車講我不要講台積電我講其他產業這100%不是只有對台灣增100%是對全世界每一個競爭對手都是付一樣的錢所以怎麼樣就跟計程車一起漲價一樣不是啊對我來講我管其他人我賺不到100%我現在去哪裡要加100%除非我去美國市場 |
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我沒有去美國市場我就加一百趴我懂我啊我們在這裡啊現在主要是跟競爭者打道的我們現在正在評估像Global Bungie在美國有場等等我們去了解他我們現在正在了解他但他絕對對啊我關心的我再強調一遍我們下一代的優秀的工程師的就業機會因為他去美國才零趴啊 |
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對不對 你100% 大都100% 我賺了100%那你還 怕是我買生 你去隨便講一家隨便講一家 要國內的廠商 他的活力100%以上你告訴我哪一家你告訴我哪一家 連台積電都沒有 |
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台積電的活力毛利只有50幾%而已他還沒有100%啊你給他扣100%的關稅他活不下去啊我還是要講喔因為多數廠商還是以FoB為主你現在記不懂要講啊買方在付錢台積電當時希西威也跟我講過如果今天有關稅他會要他的客戶來負擔誰關稅都客戶付美國人付美國人付你可以去問希西威他自己講的我只是轉述這個話 |
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台積電的毛利只有五成多五十幾趴很厲害了他也沒有一百趴他今天是因為在美國設廠 |
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所以他後面料呢 大力多 很好 大家鼓掌他還在美國設廠 可是300多家相關的Supply Chain他沒有都要扣100%你不要忘了他剛剛有文提到的CHIP跟其他的Semi-conductor的相關的產業的產品當然 細項沒有出來 但是基本上要炒在蛋啦 |
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沒有一個產業賺錢他100%的啦你說跟其他世界其他國家比大家也都沒有100%啦我活不下來啊 我活不下來啊 在這裡啊除非我在美國能夠轉移給別人報我付美國報我付嗎?川普報我付100%的關稅嗎? |
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這個都要去寫 阿如果是美國的話 阿美國就沒意義阿川普就這麼費工川普弄了半天結果他來付100% 奇怪這個邏輯 主委阿 這個阿這個你不要張口來講就這樣 謊話連篇怎麼會說美國幫你付 哪裡有美國幫你付美國幫你付這個錢 奇怪我只是就我的專業分析喔 我來自產業我來自產業 我來自產業 |
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我來自學界我跟廠商都有溝通過我跟廠商也有溝通過很多廠商都說我學生咧不用說這樣啦你講整包我跟你講主委就是論事我一直跟你強調你都不回答的問題我是說下去美國市場的沒有問題 |
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他沒有人力去的呢?怎麼辦?100%水庫你剛剛跟我講說川普要付啊你川普在那邊課啊?我沒有講川普要付你說FOB啊?FOB齁?你剛剛講FOB啊?業界過去都會經過協商因為每一家公司的巴根泡不一樣所以他會經過協商第二種我們有短期的因應方案去協助廠商降低成本 |
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那我們這個預算 那對手因為也是漲100%我現在告訴你 你不要講對手你現在系統壓降 你看歐陵隧道我沒有系統壓降 只是我把事實做分析我會跟你講事實假如我是這個相關企業的老闆 我賺不到100% |
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我還要想跟他競爭你的假設這100%都要台灣的企業付的前提下講這件事情當然是台灣企業付不然的話川普是課這個稅是課薪資沒有因為你來自學界我來自產業我可以告訴你產業絕對會去協商協商稅 這樣美國會付喔這樣川普都沒有課啊川普都沒有收關稅了川普現在多plot |
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說多麼驕傲的說我扣關稅已經扣了一千多億美金如果都是美國人的包袱他為什麼講這話 |
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他為什麼要講這個話對不對 來這個我看下一頁我請教一個 今天其實更重要的主題在這裡主權基金你是主管單位 對吧主權基金我不是主管單位是喔 怎麼不是 你Google一下國安會是主管單位喔我們只是只是現在在評估負責評估而已那你什麼時候可以把草案送到行政院我們現在正在訪談 |
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幾個主要的國家的主權基金因為他這裡面非常的複雜我們必須很慎重的處理大概給我們時間表什麼時候可以送到行政院我們的我們目前的看法就是我們寧願做很好的準備而不是有時間表那我們現在正在排到幾個國家去拜訪請教他們他們的做法是什麼因為他必須第一今年底有沒有辦法可能出來草案出來有沒有可能今年底 |
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我們還要一層一層的上報這個看看這樣的準備夠不夠但是我跟您報告很重要的就是他如何能夠被監管的情況下又有自由的外界高度質疑非常大外界高度質疑你這個主權基金為什麼原來民進黨政府是反對的突然同意了因為主要都是要投資美國送過去美國那裡好最後一點我要跟你講一個東西川普講的 |
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那是我們美國的錢啦日本對美國5500億所以我給他15%歐盟6000億南韓3500億美金那是美國的錢就很像職棒簽約的簽約金那是他的money結果我們為了拚面子我們為了跟韓國日本一樣拚5%我們每年賣到美國只有1160億 |
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644.769 |
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很多了省5%省60億美金為了省60億美金外面外傳要給4千億美金所以台灣他要台灣這個對美投資4千億美金這是extra的喔這是extra不算在這裡面的喔你怎麼講這個數據我不知道從哪裡來的所以我沒辦法抗議媒體對講4千億換5%變成15%那怎麼樣變15% |
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664.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
666.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我是覺得20%就認了不要審這個東西我沒辦法對未經證實的數據來做comment這個 各位這個我再跟你強調喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
677.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
701.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我再跟你強調如果你剛剛講是對的說我們都有辦法轉嫁的話川普不必課這個稅啦所以我剛剛講企業一定會去商量不是這樣子啦我剛剛用的是商量我就跟你強調這個日本五千五百億歐盟六千億南韓三千五百億川普說那是美國的錢那是my money |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
702.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
711.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
美國的錢是美國的錢所以不管台灣投資多少都是他拿走的我們為了就拼這個我覺得0月20%就20%嘛其實20%的衝擊很大啦你現在來講什麼大利多我聽一聽我們說什麼利多那是在美國市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
725.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
742.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
一個這個晶片廠也好半導體廠也好是利多但是沒有受得人以及對我們下一代的就業機會是很大的傷害我要跟你講到這一天謝謝謝謝韋恩有些地方可能也許彼此有誤解我下次再跟您報告謝謝好謝謝 |