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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-29T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：一、財政委員會報告併案審查國民黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」、委員伍麗華SaidhaiTahovecahe等17人擬具「財政收支劃分法第三條條文修正草案」、委員賴瑞隆等16人及委員蔡易餘等16人分別擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案」案。二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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蔡英文議員致電致電 |
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財政委員會報告併案審查國民黨黨團擬具《財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案》、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具《財政收支劃分法第三條條文修正草案》、委員賴瑞隆等16人及委員蔡易餘等16人分別擬具《財政收支劃分法 |
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我們先介紹在場的委員跟官員,我們在場有李坤城委員、沈伯洋委員、曾振淺委員、 |
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財政部莊翠雲部長財政部法制處姚雲處長國庫署陳柏成署長行政院主計總處陳淑芝主計長行政院主計總處公務預算處徐永毅處長國家發展委員會經濟發展處郭永騰專委援助民主委員會 |
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杜章梅莊副主委、原住民委員會主計室柯淑琳主任、原委會綜合規劃處紅林副處長、農業部會計處蘇芳玉專委、農業部資源永續利用司林永元科長、農民輔導師王東良前任記政、 |
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1950.779 |
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1954.771 |
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農村發展基地稅圖保持署李家純政工程師 |
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1962.255 |
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1981.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
內政部國土管理署的朱偉庭檢任視察經濟部產業發展署的周以馨副署長產發署的環境部大氣環境師的陳宜嘉專委防務部的林峰文參事 |
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1999.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
2017.518 |
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黃珊珊委員有提出財政收支方法第八條的修正動議有發到各位桌上請大家參與我們請各提案委員、黨代表、政府官員、財政部莊部長分別就 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
2027.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
2052.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
本次協商主題財政收支方法部分條文修正案表達意見,黨團代表有提案的有,我知道,民眾黨我介紹的,有伍麗華委員因為沒有到,然後賴瑞隆沒有到,蔡易餘也沒有到,國民黨團政前委員還是民眾黨, |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
2053.891 |
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2054.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2059.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2062.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2085.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2105.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
在這一個月的冬期我們很期待看到行政院的版本當然也希望看到國民黨接下來要修正的版本但不到今天為止我還沒有看到相關的版本大家就只看到正前的這一份那主要還是一樣我還是要對行政院還有財政部拜託在這段時間裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2106.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2121.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
大家對於《財化法》都可以公開理性的討論但是真的不要再抹黑跟造謠尤其是最近我們拿到了世界的經典賽的棒球冠軍但是現在竟然出現相關的論點是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2123.206 |
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2150.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
只要財化法修正國光獎金會減半這是一個非常嚴重的指控我覺得這個東西財化法是國家大政跟個別或個別的所謂的補助並不是直接相關但現在包括主基礎也好財政部也好對於財化法的修正不好好的提出版本只是一再的用可能會影響誰的經費誰的補助來做跟人民製造人民 |
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2151.654 |
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2173.591 |
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對這件事情的誤解另外就是製造政黨的對立我覺得這兩件事情都不是我們今天要修裁判法的主要目的裁判法主要目的就是很清楚的是在不影響中央政府的運作下臺灣民眾黨的版本非常清楚我們大概是2000多億到3000億那內容裡面就把所有的垂直分配的標準講得非常的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2174.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2196.879 |
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但,水平分配,既然財政部說它現在的版本就是最好的版本,我們也希望財政部把它最好的版本,水平分配的方式、指標,跟相關的所有的他們的比例跟公式都提出來,大家可以公開的討論,而不是一味的不提出就算了,然後還製造新的衝突。那第二個部分就是有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
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內容裏面這麼多的版本就表示大家對於這些內容都非常非常的在意有希望垂直分配的部分財政部我們一再的跟主席說如果你認為影響到你的哪一些你告訴我影響到哪一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2217.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2237.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
你釋出了三千億,你會優先刪減哪一些?你釋出了三千億,你會優先砍掉地方補助可能哪一些?這些話,財政部、組織處都不說,就說國光獎金會減半,就說健保、勞保會補貼會減半,甚至我在想說,那我們是不是大家的薪水都會減半? |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2238.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2267.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
什麼都不講現在的狀況就是財政部跟行政院在這麼長的一段時間立法院已經給了你們很多的時間我們希望他們提出他們的說法如果釋出兩千億是可以的那也請你說出來釋出一千億也可以的你也可以說出來可是他一個都不說那現在國民黨的版本修正版我們到現在還沒有看到我們希望國民黨的內容從媒體的報導裡面我們也請財政部算出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2268.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2270.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
委員賴瑞隆等17人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案案案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2284.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2287.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
委員賴瑞隆等17人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2306.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2324.491 |
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虽然县市政府都有表示在增加垂直分配之后其实水平分配他绝对不会比现在少的情况下其实县市政府他目前为止也都可以能够安然的接受我觉得这个部分才是现在是我们修财化法最好的时机25年没有修正中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2325.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2326.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2349.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2351.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。財政收支劃分法第十六條 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2372.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2398.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
財政部能夠保留一些彈性所以在水平分類的方式我們希望能夠讓大家共同來參與跟討論而不是像現在的狀況就是財政部說了算你看我我看你可憐都給你多一點或者是你比較聽話我就給你多一點這個都不是一個健康的財政狀況所以台灣民眾黨希望能夠盡速的在院長協商或在院會表決前能夠看到財政部的版本當然我們希望盡快的看到國民黨的版本謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2400.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2404.478 |
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好,謝謝黃珊珊委員。那接著我們請這個陳錄莊部長,您表示一下意見。 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2407.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2434.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
謝謝主席以及我們黃委員的指教我想財化法這個修正的事情大家都非常的關注那我首先要說明的就是說第一個財政部非常對於我們各個黨團以及各個委員的一些建議我們都非常重視因此財政部也招第一個我們先收集了各地方政府的意見然後我們也召開了相關的會議也就是剛剛委員所提的就是水平分配裡面的指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2435.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2450.432 |
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我們知道各個地方政府都非常都會非常熱心而且提出了八十幾項的指標那我們把它規整這裡面非常重要一個就是基本建設需求以及財政的努力八十幾項指標經過財政部經過兩次的會議長時間的一些討論以後我們都凝聚起來了那目前有三個指標還有爭議也就是污染防治嘛還有節能節能的部分還有一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2463.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2465.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2491.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2508.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
建築用地、可以蓋大房子的、跟做國土保育的、跟做農業的、跟養殖的、照林的,他們能夠產生的產值以及介位人口也不同,都需要進一步的一個討論。所以財政部其實非常努力在這個部分做這個跟各地方政府在溝通。 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2508.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2522.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這是有關指標水平分配的指標的部分其實我們一直在進行第二個立法院也開過兩次公聽會公聽會裡面許多的專家學者都提出了才化法很重要但是才化法裡面更重要一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2525.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2546.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
財、權這兩個要相配合也就是說中央跟地方怎麼樣去分配就涉及到事權的劃分事權劃分清楚以後才有考慮到支出因為你要做事必須要錢那支出怎麼劃分支出劃分以後才有所謂收入的劃分但是我們還沒有進入到這個後面的一個討論所以直接就把 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2547.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2548.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2567.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2574.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
其中一條文修正草案案中,其中一條文修正草案案中,其中一條文修正草案案中,其中一條文修正草案案中,其中一條文修正草案案中,其中一條文修正草案案中,其中一條文修正草案案中,其中一條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2595.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2596.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2622.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2626.14 |
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以目前來說的預算案114年的預算案來看可以到4740億加上一般性補助款以及計劃型補助款可以到1兆零151億所以中央對地方的財政的挹注是一直在擴大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2648.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2654.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
此外,地方財政的情況也大幅改善,從101年地方短處589億元,到104年余處117億元,到112年余處648億元,所以地方財政也在改善。我想這個部分是中央對地方一直以恨。 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2671.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2674.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2699.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2701.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
謝謝莊部長我們國民黨團的部分請賴世寶委員說明一下簡單提案說明我們等一下再進入每一條再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2711.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2731.278 |
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謝謝主席,各位先進,很高興大家能夠坐下來,我們理性得好的討論財法吧。那麼25年來沒有修啊,剛才部長講說是夥伴關係啊,這個話講得非常好啊,可事實上是夥伴關係嗎?不是啊,是上下關係嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2734.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2758.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
現在來講為什麼每一個縣市都希望能夠修財務法包括賴清廷總統沒有當總統之前他也要修啊黃偉哲想修陳其邁想修大家都想修就是希望能夠大家的自主的財源多一點現在財政部不管你怎麼講說我對這個地方政府多好多好那個都施捨式的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2761.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2772.176 |
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我們現在就是希望能夠有一定的公式回到25年前中央地方6比4現在是75對25那這裡面來講不需要來扣帽子就是把15%的決定錢交給地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2781.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2810.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
我先講一下這個現在財政部不斷地用一個絲絲毫微的理由來反對財政部提版本老實講我們上個會期結束之前我們都已經有決議嘛財委已經通過了說財政部今年開議之前要提出版本後來沒有提啊沒有提的理由就是現在剛剛講的說這個個性是水平分配啊沒有弄好啊這個那個這個那個等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2811.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2819.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
我的版本跟剛才黃珊珊委員講的很像啊我的版本就是中央給地方3000億左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2820.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2849.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
怎麼分你們要按原來公式分啊都不要改變都不要改變都不需要什麼的就都不要改變但是就這個錢就是主動給地方按照法律定下來就是給地方3000億左右這是我的版本可是你按我的版本沒有被送進來啊被送進來只有四個版本民進黨三個版本伍麗華、蔡易餘還有賴瑞隆三個版本加上國民黨的一個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2850.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2874.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
其他的我們現在是民眾黨有個版本我的版本很清爽啊就只有把中央的3000億左右放給地方而且你看到很多學者也都支持這樣的一個看法那財政部不斷講說有公司可以分配公司分配都給你們分配吧你們這麼愛分配就給你們分配就大家這個有個性是 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2875.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2884.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
也不必去炒,因為怎麼炒,如果一定要到水平分配,大家都統統搞定了才決定的話,那這個無解。 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2886.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2911.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
這個無解啦,這個最後無解啦,因為每一個縣市他有一定的想法,哎呀我土地這個權重多一點,我這個人口權重多一點等等的,我的財政努力,比如說台北市這個新竹市,這方面財政努力很多啊,營業稅你要不要有一定的一個確保,這些都是大家來討論,很多地方來討論了,所以我們覺得, |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2913.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2914.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我個人的主張是水平分配就財政部來決定。 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2929.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2934.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
財政部這麼愛決定才不決定嘛,所以這樣來講的話也都沒有太大的一個疙瘩,沒有太大的一個憾格。所以最後一個我要強調的,這個部長剛剛講的,權跟錢要放在一起,可以啊,你把地方,你多給地方三千億人,你就規定什麼事情給地方做,沒問題啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2953.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2976.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
沒有問題啊!錢本來就跟錢要放在一起的啊!你分出去,我三千億分出去了,那你就告訴我們什麼事情就是地方政府在做,地方政府扛下來啊!當然扛下來,沒有問題啊!這個事情是money talk,講錢的事情喔!這是非常務實,不需要把它政治化啦!不需要說啊這樣挖了以後,我滅這個錢、滅那個錢,不會的啦!各位! |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2981.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
3005.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
回到六四中央還是多啦還是六十趴啦我們只是這麼可憐的我們很低聲的希望有百分之十五先法定就布給地方而不是靠中央的施捨目前是靠中央的施捨了把地方政府當乞丐一樣啊我高興的多給你一點你說你有公事 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
3007.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
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結果的結果就來看結果嘛這八年來的結果六獨來講第一名的台南市啊第二名的高雄市啊最後一名的台北市啊你們分的結果就這樣子啊分的結果就是這樣啊六獨來講就是這樣啊數字會說話啊各位數字會說話啊怎麼樣第一名就台南市啊第二名就高雄市啊就是完全是在也是在分嘛那我們是說你現在就 |
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財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案 |
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對,啊,這裡面原來有什麼礦區稅的問題啊,原來保護農地的問題等等的,每一個人都可以講,如果都堅持那一點,那再修20年修不完,所以我是覺得這次就看大家怎麼樣了,我們是希望大家能夠平心靜氣的。 |
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好好的看待這一部的《財化法》,25年來沒有修,大家都在功逢其死在創歷史了,如果能夠修過,大家真的也都是在工勞部都可以記一筆啦,不需要說一定不可以修,也不見得說一定就一定的民進黨永遠執政嘛,萬一下一次阿里奧巴換我們執政勒? |
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荒門之爭,你要不要修?你還不是要想修?所以我就覺得一勞永逸,就回到25年前,中央地方6比4,中央的餅還是比較大啦,地方的餅小40%,這麼多人要分,那你說權跟錢要放一起,可以!什麼事情交給地方做,你講啊,大家來做就是了嘛。 |
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這是我的簡單的報告,因為我本來有提案,但是沒有送出委員會,我還是希望我的本門不送進來。就是隨時分配,隨時分配,以後財政不決定。 |
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不是,他代表國民黨團,代表國民黨團,剛剛黃山代表民進黨團,然後財政部代表政府說,那這個,我們財政部長跟主調我們就坐下來,坐過來這邊,各位就坐過來這裡,主調在頭。那個,那個先讓我們回應嘛,還沒主調先讓我們回應一下嘛,他講的不是主調啊。沒有,我,我是代表國民黨團的,我蓋普頓,我們代表各領,代表各領。 |
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我們也是另一種回應好不好 |
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先讓我回應嘛對不對因為這個協商齁是有提案的人才有說明因為你們剛剛是提案說明這是委員會的協商每個人都有發言有有有等一下就有先讓我講一下嘛沒有沒有等一下按照這個程序來按照什麼程序啊啊那個內政部齁我看因為內政部剛剛有提案內政部民政司長也有來嘛是不是做前面一段那個提案我們有意見的我們不能回應喔不是啦還沒有開始到那個階段沒有啊那大體說明我們是大體回應的不行喔 |
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不是,他是提案說明。提案說明,他們大體說明,我們大體回應也不行。財政部的回應。協商他有一個流程,我都知道,一定會有流程,你還有很多流程,不用擔心,你一定有說的機會。這個第三條的部分是這個吳立法委員的提案,大家有沒有什麼意見?第三條。來。你們看一下。 |
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吳立法主要是針對嚴肅民的案件。吳立法主要是針對嚴肅民的案件。吳立法主要是針對嚴肅民的案件。 |
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只是想要,我大概講一下,他是說針對這個山地,這個區,要退回給他一個地位。好啦好啦,你就讓我們講一下嘛,你說我有時間講,你就讓我講了嘛,好不好。我覺得剛剛那個賴斯堡委員一直在強調所謂新品契合,其實這部案子確實要新品契合,他強調幾點,一個新品契合,一個呢,所謂的這一個齁,年度久遠,是該修的這種說法,第三個他提到的所謂的比例的問題齁,重點我要濃縮起來大概這三個, |
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第一個其實老師說我們有沒有心平氣和當然要心平氣和但是詳情通過其實不是我們然後他也特別強調是說錢與權要一併討論這個就是為什麼我們會討論那麼久的原因從上個會期到現在這個會期會討論那麼久的原因關鍵的原因就在這邊我們一直很心平氣和在談結果詳情通過的是誰 |
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早上六點強制動員到委員會當中連講話都不能講話之後靠近講台就被暴力相向那張志倫的啊馬上扭我脖子那黃國昌啊黃珊珊你要替我主持公正義一下他在旁邊都直播不下來討論就說什麼我打人 |
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財政收支劃分法第十六條 |
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前女權要講清楚對當初前女權的時候就權就是地方制度法嘛所以地方制度法在講的時候主席尊重一下我發言權地方制度法就前女權地方制度法的權怎麼可能在裁判法以後可以解決當然是另一部法令的權就屬於地方政府嘛 |
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中央政府跟地方分權然後財政收支方法是分錢概念上是如此當初就說這個財法法跟地方自治法一併思考的原因在這邊好現在你強行通過送到這邊說馬上要進入逐條討論然後現在錢跟權要一起談這開什麼玩笑嘛你為什麼不回到前面之前來好好談呢 |
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對不對?賴斯堡委員在財政委員會是內行人啊內行人不要講那種外行話對不對?那他一直在講說比例的問題那你怎麼不講絕對金額的問題呢?絕對金額差多少?絕對金額你拿掉6612億對不對?這內容來說就是國光獎金也會被減半的原因就在這邊嘛啊如果說帶風向所有中央政府沒有錢的話你怎麼辦?你當然是要切啊就減半是剛剛好而已啊 |
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所以這種情況底下你要看絕對競爭從決定競爭來看到去年為止啊地方政府的剩餘款才高達600多億沒有辦法執行完成就600多億你們都還剩下600多億沒有辦法執行完成你又給地方政府6612億給他10倍double那你要這樣怎麼執行執行不只是錢還有權還有什麼還有人你沒有權沒有人你怎麼執行這個錢 |
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一個52億的連槍線,你又給他多了100多億,讓他double,他怎麼執行?他怎麼執行?所以我跟你講,國民黨這部法案,真是禍國殃民,真是禍國殃民。剛剛賴斯堡委員說,大家都有功勞,我才不跟你同樣有罪咧,什麼功勞,這大家都一起有罪。 |
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為什麼禍國讓他說我們執政的時候他不要改我跟你講到時候搞不好是你們執政的時候你們才想要改中央怎麼去讓 |
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根本沒有辦法run你現在找的不是執政黨的麻煩你找的是國家的麻煩找的是人民的麻煩啦我講白點是這樣子嘛然後一部法案隨便通過大比議會然後661121就要拿到給地方去而毫無計劃毫無權力沒有人可以執行的情況底下你就要硬要通過好再說剛剛他講一個年份的問題 |
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說財政收支劃分法二十五年沒有修改我就請告那位賴斯堡委員啊你知道財政收支劃分法一開始的歷史的法源是什麼時候他歷史的法源是在1954年他第一次大動這個法的時候是什麼時候是1981年相隔幾年27年 |
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到了1981年之後到什麼時候一直到1999年是因為動省的關係體制不得不然政治所造成的結果你才要去進行修法又相隔了18年之久那1999年到現在為什麼相隔那麼久中間一直想要大家修老師講啊 |
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馬英九政府也想要修,為什麼修不成?蔡英文政府也想要修,為什麼修不成?不是那麼容易修嘛!不是那麼容易修,不是大家不願意修,不是那麼容易修,所以要花多一點時間來做溝通。這不是怠惰的問題,這是共識不容易解決的問題。我再一次強調,不是國民黨比較聰明,是國民黨比較粗魯。 |
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國民黨比較粗暴才硬要把這個版本來送到這個委員會要把他送出去否則的話根本不應該如此草率的修法財政收支...欸奇怪啊剛剛他說了沒有時間限制為什麼講了就有時間限制呢?我說三到五分鐘我每一回都有說三到五分鐘他講了不止三到五分鐘啊很奇怪你已經講不止了我講不止了你剛剛有計時嗎?我先幫你做一個那個...有計時啊 |
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國務委員 國務委員 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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那法案本來就是討論溝通不同的意見,為什麼不同意見你就沒有辦法接受呢?那有這種道理嗎?你不知道嗎?你今天來開會不知道這件事嗎?上一次找他們來你就給他辦公了,讓他們就再回去啊,有強行的通過啊。 |
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再往前一次我們就做結論說請你們要送東西過來因為我們貴營一直在強調財化法是如此出發動靠的工程不是隨便一大筆一揮就要通過我再說國民黨版本當中還不一樣國民黨的版本還不同 |
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國民黨一下子精順條文要拿掉,剛剛賴氏堡委員說他就相繼於黃國昌的版本,所以說你的版本內容完全不同嘛,你急於想要修法,好算要修法才會造成今天這個結果嘛,大家有意見我會沒有意見。 |
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我先問一下市長我為什麼不跟你講 |
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媒體媒體媒體 |
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主席、副主席、副主席 |
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提出版本啊!我可以一次合成就不行!市長我們這樣是!黃珊珊的版本還沒有啊!我還沒有講話! |
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山上委員我們讓那個崑禎先講為什麼不能講?讓李崑禎委員先講我就一直講李崑禎委員嗎?剛剛你一直講我剛剛一直講他一直在插嘴啊我剛剛一直講他一直在插嘴啊你已經講了七、八分之八我剛剛講了很多久就是因為你一直插嘴我說又講又久事情都是你造成的喔好你都要怪罪我也可以沒關係主持如果不是主持你就換人做嘛好不好請你尊重我我尊重我嗎?你尊重我嗎?我剛剛講話的時候你有尊重我嗎?我先問一下內政部啦我們不是在開TV兩個人拿著麥克風在搶麥啊那個內政部 |
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我們上次開會決議說內政部要送相關的資料你們都沒有送來上次你不要曾經通過內政部就可以講就不用來這邊講了啦有決議你們沒有送我們要回去看一下你們不能這麼懈怠齁陳毓正陳毓正你不要這麼懈怠上次上次就應該要講了上次你們應該要講你怎麼用這個文件來講換你出任委尊重主席了啦我尊重主席主席從來沒有尊重我啦準時我跟他講話之前都一直插嘴他把這個時間佔掉了我要告訴你他什麼叫尊重 |
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對不起,沒有這樣講,啊我就等那麼久嗎?而且黃山委員也要講,我還沒講對不對?那你要讓李坤成說嗎?王委員,順序他沒有排,他沒有排說誰先講、誰後講、第二個、第三,他都沒有講。他已經讓李坤成說啦。對不對?那你也讓我講啊。你要讓李坤成、黃山山啊。 |
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我已經被你干擾到不能講了啦!啊你講十分鐘了啦!要怎麼樣呢?我已經開始被你幹擾了!我就是要跟你主席講說你要尊重其他的委員的基本的發言權!哪有大的政治家要去講十分鐘了啦!哪有大的政治家可以啦!讓人家講啦!哪有這種方式!哪有這種方式!哪有這種方式!哪有這種方式!哪有這種方式!哪有這種方式!哪有這種方式! |
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委員賴瑞隆等16人及委員蔡易餘等16人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
委員賴瑞隆等16人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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主席 |
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國民黨的提案是三組啦!這還算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算討論嗎?這算 |
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法定人數不足 |
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主席,您是在炒納嗎?主席,您是在炒納嗎?主席,您在炒納嗎? |
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國民黨版本亂搞吧!搞錯修法吧!到現在為止,國民黨他們已經送出來,居然還有不同意見,你不覺得這很荒謬嗎?你們不自我檢討一下有這種法案嗎?那李昆城可以發言了嗎?第四條呢?他講完我就講了啦,他講完我就講了啦。好,歡迎李昆城來請發要,三分鐘喔,謝謝。三分鐘,三分鐘喔,啊夏俊煌三分鐘而已喔。三分鐘啊,這不短啊。可以,第二次、第三次發言嗎? |
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好了,不要再打斷我了,我已經,我已經,我已經,我已經想了要怎麼講了,我一直都斷我了,我已經忘了要怎麼講了啦。你第四條,你第四條可以講喔。就是說為什麼我們今天會有這個朝野協商,就是當初你就是三分鐘就送出去了嘛,你三分鐘送出去了。你們在那之前禮拜五我們,我幫你先講。那在之前,之前我們都是只有程序發言好不好,根本就沒有進入實施討論。 |
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今天是做協商 |
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中央總預算三兆一千多億按照國民黨版本挖走了6612億計劃型補助2411億挖走了這麼多 |
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你說中央政府剩多少?中央政府剩下四千多億可以用而已,四千一百多億可以用而已。所以說昨天不管是我或是說郭國文委員再問這個主席長,就是說那如果國民黨的版本通過之後,那這個中央的補助該怎麼辦?是不是會減少? |
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主界長說:「對呀,會減少,減少一半。」我昨天是舉例說,體育預算,經費大概有40億,那是不是會減半?按照這個邏輯,因為你挖走了一半,我看這不只一半,這挖走了大概三分之二。因為你還有計劃型補助,還有這個三減的,挖了6千多億,總共挖走了8千多億,快9千億。所以挖走了不是只有一半,挖走快三分之二。 |
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所以主席長就說補助會不會少一半啊?那補助少一半的話,那郭國文在問說那現在國光獎金是不是會少一半?那補助少一半,國光獎金也少一半啊?那少一半就是從700萬變成350萬啊?這是合乎邏輯的啊那為什麼講到這一點,國民黨就氣噗噗 |
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國光獎金不會減少,只會多不會少,怎麼可能只會多不會少,你就從中央就挖走這麼多走了嘛,怎麼可能只會多不會少,所以我們現在只要講說,不是只有國光獎金,為什麼現在講國光獎金,然後國民黨會覺得很生氣,因為現在棒球熱,大家覺得說你為什麼要去剝奪這個球員的這個國光獎金,我們現在少棒,我跟你們看,我們少棒現在對這個韓國也領先,再回來這些小朋友應該也可以拿到獎金, |
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所以說呢,這個不是只有國光獎金,它還有很多的補助,很多本來這個中央要給地方的補助,都會減少啊,都會減少啊。所以我看嘛,0到2歲的育兒津貼也會減少。 |
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4230.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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就這麼多的本來這個中央對於這個地方的補助都會減少啊那都會減少那因為中央沒有這些錢啊那所以各個部會的減少的地方那以後是誰要來出勒以後要誰要來出勒中央沒有這些錢啊然後像我的選區在三重 |
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那我的三重現在有要做捷運北環段,從這個三重到士林到最後到內湖。那以前過去有錢瞻,那現在沒有錢瞻了,那這些錢編入這個公務預算裡面。那編入公務預算裡面,那請問一下,那現在中央政府也沒有這麼多錢可以來補助地方了。 |
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那未來這些捷運、軌道、輕軌這些錢是誰要來出?是地方要來出嗎?那地方是中央這個過去是中央可以協調這個新北跟台北那現在呢?那現在是雙北自己去協調說這個捷運要怎麼蓋嗎?那所以說今天我們談到這個錢跟權本來就要劃分今天不要把責任推給這個 |
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內政部民政司他能做什麼樣的決定?他沒有辦法做任何決定嘛我們剛剛就說你這個地方制度法要修一起來修一起來談嗎?我的前提是 |
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這個草案法可不可以修?可不可以討論?都可以,都可以討論,那也可以修,但是絕對不是說這個三分鐘就出委員會,然後出委員會之後大家到這邊,我看等一下大家有沒有共識,沒有共識你大概等一下就說我們就是送給院長協商,大概最後的結果就是這樣子。 |
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但是各個委員我剛剛聽到委員同仁講說大家不知道說這個如果挖走六千多億然後這個哪些施政會受到影響那我就也要求各個部會你們哪些受到影響的你要跟這個所有的財政委員講 |
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其實我相信大家都有這個資料了啦相信大家都有這些資料了真的都會受到影響受到影響那未來出事了又怪誰又怪民進黨又怪中央政府可是你沒有想到說地方已經拿走這麼多錢了 |
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我再問主席長有超過15個縣市如果我們給他的這些補助款他會超過原來的這個他們自己編的這個稅數的預算那編做這些預算請問一下那這些縣市他們有想清楚就是說我突然做這些錢我要做什麼嗎?我要做什麼嗎?你們有想到嗎? |
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那有一句廣告詞啊,說阿姨我不想努力了,我不想努力了,不用努力了啊,縣市政府都不用努力了啊。就是說哪些受影響,那個主席你們這邊到時候在送協商前你們要把資料也都送過來。其實都有啦。那我剛問國防獎金影響多少嘛,你們要講嘛,對不對。他時間已經到了,這個我們...委員會我還要講完啦,我還要講完啦。 |
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還有民政司趕快說內政部的交感受害。這不是民政司啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是民政司啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有民政司的問題啊。這不是只有 |
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那個請部長過來沒有我講實在話啦是不是請部長過來就請部長過來我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算今天部長來也沒有用嘛我今天不想來就算 |
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好我想那個其實我坐在這裏我蠻想知道第三條吳立華委員的提案他的用意是什麼其實我也蠻想知道的第二就是我還是要強調一下國民黨的版本目前算起來是六千多但民眾黨的版本一直都是兩千多億所以這個差異還是很大那第三個就是剛剛兩位議員兩位委員說著其實我早就跟竹記書要求了請你拿出來可能會受影響的東西但是他們每次都說的不一樣 |
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主席 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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社福單位受到影響多少你們都要說清楚啊好不好而且如果以民眾黨的版本影響多少以國民黨的版本影響多少大家就把它做好分析分析清楚了我想民眾黨的委員也會也會願意理性的討論好不好尤其是這個第三條第三條我來說明一下你們要不要幫伍麗華人說我幫他說明一下第三條他的意見其實伍麗華委員他是有個別單條修正但是我們剛剛講到的是部分他的部分 |
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現在財政收支劃分法的主體就是縣市政府 |
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原住民區也有這個地位 |
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你們要保留他的條文嗎?還是不要?我沒有要處理個別條文的問題。我們沒有意見,我對這一條沒意見,但你們要保留喔?我們想讓這一條破,你們不想要保留?你現在是要保留喔?第三條你們要保留嗎? |
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現在錢跟權都沒有辦法一起處理,你怎麼處理嘛?我跟你講,所有的案子根本都沒有辦法處理,所有相關的條文都清楚到錢跟權的問題,就沒有辦法處理嘛! |
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因為我們第三條想要過,你們想嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我們全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意見全部都有意 |
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財政局局長 |
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提出一個新的修正動議,基本上的整個邏輯就是說,我們希望說能夠把各地方的一個稅收貢獻度納入財化法當中的考量,比照原本一正稅的一個部分的處理方式。 |
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因為原本第八條的第三項當中是針對移政稅的部分處理方式,那我在這邊提出了一個新的修正動議,就是在第三項當中的時候把它修改成第一項第一款之所得稅因債以直轄市、縣市增企之收入的百分之五給該直轄市跟縣市,那這個邏輯就是要讓那個地方的稅收貢獻度能夠直接 |
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| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
疑政稅部分保留5%給地方以上說明感謝 |
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所以這個政見委員這一條是針對這個第八條的這個部分啦齁那這個第十二條的部分齁國民黨團也有提案齁我們也是保留啦齁剛剛因為那個郭國文委員也表達了民眾黨也有對那郭國文也已經表達了要保留的意見齁那所以我們當然也沒有辦法達成達成共識啦那十六條之一李彥秀委員齁好來沈伯陽委員請說 |
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今天整個的關鍵其實就是第八條但是我還是要講一下就是剛剛趙文其實就跟之前講的話一模一樣那時候我在程序發言的時候就已經有講過今天會被影響的單位他應該來說明你那時候說好結果隔天就沒了他們也沒有發言啊然後現在又說在協商的時候再讓他們整理一次沒有任何的意義因為你等一下就要出委員會了 |
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所以我覺得我先不要打...就要出這個委員會協商啦出委員會協商啦但是就是說現在這個狀況就是說為什麼一直講錢跟權我講一個簡單的道理按照國民黨的版本現在如果是六千多億的話你六千多億會影響到現在的哪些時政剛剛黃委員有提到說應該整理我先告訴大家我們辦公室直接看預算書也可以看得出來會影響哪些 |
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最大宗的就是國防經費,因為國防經費,我知道國防外交嘛,國防外交不含人事費是2900多億嘛,那你今天要從其他的雜項湊到6000,基本上就是做不到嘛,比如說你少子化的對策也是346嘛,你治安維護現在是360,都是扣掉人事嘛,你這些湊不到6000,所以你要動就會動到國防。 |
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那就回到剛剛為什麼要講這一個權力的問題因為今天譬如說國防它就是中央在做請問我們現在要把這個六千多億還要給台北市特別保障那現在是不是台北市要自己建一個魚叉飛彈叫蔣萬安魚叉飛彈嗎那蔣萬安來做國防就好了蔣萬安來守護我們這個國家就可以了嗎 |
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所以今天你在地方制度法你今天不可能在裁劃法就決定權力的分配中央跟權力的分配是規定在憲法上面的我們還沒修憲呢還沒有修憲你只能針對地方自治的特定的一些事項來做微調 |
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那在之前一直到現在地方盈餘是六百多億那你六百多億你現在要給他六千億是十倍了剛剛郭國文有講過那你這六千億現在給他他們要做什麼沒有方案耶沒有方案的話那他就是像剛剛離婚成果委員講到的啊他就是不想努力了嘛因為我坐在那邊就會有錢來啊我不需要提出計劃我就可以拿到相對應的金錢所以 |
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今天我們不用再講說主計處要整理什麼哪些會被影響我們直接看今年度的預算書除非國民黨根本就不想審預算就從頭到尾都不看預算書當然不知道哪些預算會受到影響啊我在國防外交我今天去這個內政委員我去看陸委會的我看也知道哪一些會被影響你只要把法定預算扣除把一般補助計畫補助扣除剩下的就是會被影響的嘛這個會很困難嘛 |
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接下來你只要看他被影響的比例嘛,你的比例不管是用原來的,假設是將近二分之一來算,還是把剛剛一般性計劃性放下來算三分之二,你影響的%數就在那邊啊。所以為什麼會講說今天七百萬的這個獎金會直接變三百五十萬,這不是亂推測的,這是按照國民黨版本的比例算出來就是現在這個樣子。 |
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所以我還是要再講一次就是說不要再說什麼這個沒有資料那個沒有資料資料全部都擺在這一邊今天第八條把這一個10%變成25%這一個就是造成最大的一個後援嘛你為什麼會到6000多億這個10%到25%就是一個關鍵呢所以拜託這個都應該在委員會討論你那時候都有答應我那時候說國防部應該來說明因為國防部會受影響最大 |
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你說好,為什麼隔天來了以後結果什麼都沒有討論委員會如果維持現在10%這就是你們的問題啊你們提了一個有違憲之餘的法案然後你會說我們違憲的版本在哪裡你就提了一個殺人法案然後我說殺人不對你問我說我的殺人的法案在哪裡這是什麼道理啊 |
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你自己提有問題的法案然後你叫我們說我們要提一個有問題的當作對案今天伍麗華委員的版本跟這個一點關係都沒有欸他不是在搞這一個六千億欸他是把這個主體多了石匣寺山地文明這一個放進去欸所以這一個不是在講水平跟垂直分配的問題欸你不要自己提出這些 |
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委員賴瑞隆等16人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。委員賴瑞隆等16人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第三條文修正草案案。 |
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我已經講了第八條的不應該到25%那理由非常簡單不是絕對不可以是你憲法跟地方制度法你沒有修你把這一個25%拉出來沒有啊 你的權利在哪裡 |
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你今天如果修了二十五條,你多出來的財源,請問你要給地方自治的事項,那個事項對應在哪裡嗎?你沒有那個對應的事項嗎?你對應的事項是存在啊?如果你有對應的事項,你可以作為修法理由的基礎嘛。你說我有這個某某某對應的事項,但我現在這個財源不夠,所以我根據這個不夠, |
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李燕秀維你的修正動議你要不要表達一下意見 |
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國防預算國防預算 |
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在立法院其實每一個委員都是獨立的個體我覺得大家都彼此都不要去批評別人的法案我覺得不要互相批評但是什麼是一個合理的法案我覺得就是透過朝野協商透過我們最後協商的方式大家盡量來溝通今天所有的法案最後都會是用直播的方式大家國人也都可以看得到第三 |
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所有不管是做長照、做兒扶、哪怕是做其他的項目,其實都是地方自治的範圍。地方自治是規範基本的大原則,而且是滾動式的修正。比如上次慈安發生問題的時候,原來中央其實要求做很多事情,但後來中央也發現他自己做不了。 |
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那他也把很多的業務跟工作交給地方所以我應該說很多地方制的自治事項他都只規範大原則大方向而且是滾動式的修正那至於未來中央跟地方有時候權責怎麼分配那當然如果權責分配多一點那地方分配多一點如果中央願意扛多一點那當然地方有時候他大家就是可以互相去做調整好那我回過頭來剩下最後一分半鐘我想要提一下我今天的修正動議 |
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過去其實就只有二讀臺北市跟高雄市88年的時候修過一次財劃法但是我們現在已經是六都的狀態那我覺得除了這一次在很多的原則性大家只討論人口跟面積之外我覺得應該也要把所謂的盈利事業稅的部分財務的貢獻度也應該納進來做考量 |
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委員賴瑞隆等16人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。委員賴瑞隆等16人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第三條文修正草案案。 |
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主席 |
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財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條 |
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主席 |
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以上是三大項我的修正動議我希望調整的方向謝謝 |
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這個樣子李燕秀委員所提到的營業稅鼓勵縣市政府大家也努力財政努力這點我是非常贊成的我們希望大家能夠列入考慮第二個 |
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今天其實我們結論都已經有了嘛剛才郭國文委員這個非常的慷慨激昂講一番話之後其實就已經定調了嘛所以今天來講的話今天不會有結論嘛因為我們要從第3條吳立法委員的條文第3條我們要支持他也不要所以今天不會有結論今天等於是大家就郭國文不要我們要支持你他也不要啊整個 |
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各位偉大的政治家今天我們是朝野協商協商一般來講不會去表決也不需要太激情的演出大家就來看大家喬水喬水喬水就往前坐 |
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主席 |
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這個覺得他是新秀,這個民進黨是新秀,還撥運去台第一名,不要這樣動不動給人家送帽子啦!委員們的法案都是法案怎麼一下就違憲啊!啊!這個殺人法案不要用這樣的帽子,真的!我很看重你,而且我認為你是民進黨的明日之星啊! |
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沒有 你不需要我們這個...你會當國防部長?對!如果洪森亮都可以當國防部長?我們黨團說...我不是洪森亮可以當國防部長?沈柏洋就可以當國防部長?對!沒關係 這個真的...不要斷不動就扣人家帽子說是違憲大家... |
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每一個立委都在那裡辛辛苦苦寫東西他有你對他有意見我們就改嘛六千多億他也就改我不是給你改了要三千億大家來討論嘛就大家討論的意思嘛不要說啊這個一下就殺人法案違憲法案真的這樣子沒辦法討論下去大家彼此尊重啦大家都一樣大不要說怎麼樣大家一樣大所以我們覺得今天結論已經有了結論就是沒有結論 |
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所以大家就發揮啊,不必太激情發揮啦,因為結論都有了嘛,就是說反正你們大家都在談,他都有一堆小的結論來講,國共講了,我們要尊重,我們要尊重,他每一條都要保留,我們就尊重他每一條都保留。所以今天,今天阿伯是記過的啦,但是,但是我要提醒行政部門, |
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每一個委員提到的東西,你們就要去準備一下,剛才一直在講錢跟權,那這裡面還講,我不認為會影響國防什麼兩千九百多億啊,這個,怎麼樣算都沒有這個東西啦,不會有這個東西啦,那你國光獎金,你如果欠債公共了,人家給你獎,你就這樣子運了什麼獎金我撿你半,也不會有這回事啦,獎金那個東西,你搶很好搶的啊,這個叫,隨便說說,這些東西,我是覺得, |
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不需要給大家戴帽子真的大家都一樣大好不好大家都是立委沒有說誰比較大誰比較沒有大家都一起大不管你是選出來的或者是不分區的我們都尊重大家那今天的程序已經有結論了嘛結論就是國會委員講說每一條都保留我們尊重就每一條都保留好不好其他就可以講這樣而已啦 |
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我修的這條文是財劃法的第三條第四款那我簡單說明一下因為六都合併的時候 |
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曾經我們的這些鄉一度失去公法人的地位,引起嘩然。所以呢,在大家的一個炮聲隆隆下呢,在2014年又再度修法回來。但是呢,那個時候修地制法83條7,結果造成了我們的這個自主財源呢,變成稅客收入是零。 |
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那這個對我們的園區影響很大,因為像以納瑪夏來講,上次質詢我有講過,我們算過,他依賴他的中央是91%,高達這麼高,那其他的幾乎都在五、六十以上。 |
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所以這個困擾大家很多年只能透過修法所以這一次我們財化法的第三條怎麼辦呢把它補回去把這個漏掉的當年的疏漏我們有中央有直轄市有縣市有鄉鎮縣轄市我們把它補回去第四款直轄市山地原住民區這樣就解決了好不好好我們支持啊我想民眾黨支持嗎 |
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財政部 |
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在召開這個財化法的時候,也要邀原民區的公所來。我報告一下,這是他們回給我的。新北市烏來區公所,認同並大力支持。桃園市復興區公所,認同支持。和平區公所、桃園區公所、納瑪夏區公所、茂林區公所,也就是影響到的六個園區,全部都認同大力支持。所以拜託大家,謝謝。 |
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委員賴瑞隆等16人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一條文修正草案案。 |
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這完全是不一樣的,不是因為說他修了這個《財化法》第三條、第四條,那我們同意的,那就等於是說後面的這個《財化法》,你們這種大的修文要同意啊。他是針對現行的這個《財化法》,他認為有不公平的地方,現在講得很清楚嘛,他來修嘛。那今天這個狀況是這樣子啊,今天狀況,我這一本有國民黨的,有六千多億。那這邊呢,我還有民眾黨的,兩千多億。 |
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阿這邊還有剛剛才拿過來的那是修正動議對阿對啊阿我先不管這修正動議一個兩千多餘的一個六千多餘你是要怎麼去過阿不是不是那就討論阿對啊阿所以我看你就是想要一條一條這樣過阿沒有我意見就把每一件都讓他過阿都是這樣寫的嗎我的意思我的意思是說大家不管是國民黨民眾黨或是民進黨對於這長話法到底要怎麼去分 |
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5866.871 |
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5891.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
其實意見其實差別還很大連剛剛這個離席的賴社保委員他說他3000多億今天不是說我要幾千億、兩千億、三千億、六千億多億今天就是好好去討論一下真的好好討論一下因為各黨的歧義實在是太大了你沒辦法說我今天在這邊花兩個小時那我們就決定是要用兩千億的版本、三千億的版本或是六千億的版本謝謝李坤農、黃珊珊委員 |
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5892.236 |
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5892.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
法定人數不足 |
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5915.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
5940.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
那個剛剛委員講的的確是要先賦予他有一個可以分配的這個權利那但是因為同時水平分配的公司那邊其實他們所有的面積啊原民區的面積跟人口都算給直轄市所以這個對這個部分就得再處理不然的話單定這一條沒有用 |
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5943.521 |
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5958.868 |
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對,那目前就是他想要取得像鄉鎮一樣的地位吧只是他覺得那個他替園民區覺得說那些園民區拿的不夠不是啊,你們支不支持呢你們支不支持他的提案因為這樣的對 |
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5991.129 |
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對,你們支不支持?因為這樣子就會有重複的現象啦所以你們是不支持啊?那也沒辦法啊?不是說支不支持,就是說有這種現象我們必須要告訴你們就是這個部分這樣算對,那這個部分還因為你如果說照面積算因為一般我們就會照面積啊照人口但是這個面積裡面它就已經算在直轄市裡面那現在你又另外再算一次那這樣就本身就重複了啦 |
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6008.219 |
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我們要的是數據啊我們開會開這麼久都要你們提出數據像你們像民進黨委員也一直提說什麼事權什麼我們一直要內政部提出什麼影響該修什麼法你們送過來啊內政部也一直不送過來我再說事權的部分事實上你剛剛說的75和25的部分 |
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6011.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
委員提出案子你們要試算 |
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6040.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
6041.843 |
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現在您剛說4700億,然後另外補助,統籌款4700億,差不多你剛講本來是4043億,後來明年可能會變4700億,統籌款統籌款。 |
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6058.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
主席負責審查 |
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我兩個意見,第一,我想說的是,如果說我們就先把文字修進來,因為對我來講,我什麼時候才等得到這個修法? |
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那我覺得這個當年的錯誤、錯漏這個時候如果可以的話請大家支持我們把它修進來。第二第二那其他要考慮的我覺得方法很多即便是用財化法第38條之一如果真的影響到這些所謂的六都那我覺得由中央專案補足其實有一些像高雄市政府也同意這樣的方法 |
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對。但是我覺得退一萬步至少我覺得他只是還給他在法條中他缺少的這個文字你應該補回去啊我覺得連這個把他補回去他現在在整個財化法裡面他完全沒有地位他是公法人耶可是卻沒有地位耶這是錯誤耶我們只是把補正而已是 |
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6157.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
韓院長協商 |
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6186.126 |
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主席財政部長 |
| IVOD_ID |
16327 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16327 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024112898 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-29T14:00:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-29T15:45:00+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |