| IVOD_ID |
16326 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16326 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-29 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-29T14:00:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-29T18:25:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:24:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6090d48a73477a26751854fbf32ecbfc659b104c5adbfed68f7e49d8c74f6542c0c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-29T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
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| 委員發言時間 |
14:00:28 - 18:25:00 |
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報告全院委員會現在繼續開會今天下午分別審查考試院考試委員被提名人邱文彥、鄧家基之資格及是否私人相關事項現在先審查被提名人邱文彥之資格相關事項請被提名人邱文彥先生說明時間為10分鐘 |
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主席、各位委員今天能以考試院第十四屆考試委員被提名人的身份列席大院全院委員會進行報告並接受同意權行使的審查和詢答聲譽榮幸與責任重大以下緊就個人學經歷以及心得與期許提出報告敬請各位委員指教一、學歷我畢業於國立成功大學都市計畫系之後 |
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考取國立中心大學法上學院都市計劃研究所．以及都市計劃人員高考的資格在內政部營建署服務4年後．考取教育部公費留考、環境保護法、學門獎學金．前往美國賓州大學進修．取得碩士博士學位．逐步在環境保護、空間規劃和永續發展的領域．奠定學術研究和公職服務的專業及信念 |
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二、建立民國80年唯有美國返臺正教育國立中山大學海洋環境系事後轉往國立臺灣海洋大學海洋事務與資源管理研究所擔任專任教授、所長、法政學院院長退休後獲聘為兩所大學的榮譽講座教授學術研究上主要關注在海洋政策、海洋事務、海洋空間規劃、國土計畫、海岸管理、私地保育、環境保護、水下文化資產保存等專業領域 |
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過去20年來﹐個人從海洋與環境學者的角度﹐積極參與政府相關事務與科研計畫﹐協助編撰海洋政策白皮書﹐並提出海洋國家論述這些論述被轉化為不同政黨的施政理念此外﹐個人並籌辦世界海洋與臺灣研討會﹐負責研理宣言 |
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策略、行動綱領等．將歷屆論文集結成系列重組．提供政府推動海洋事務之參考．進而推升我國海洋委員會．在國際事務方面．我曾參與亞太經濟合作組織IPEM．海洋保育工作組兼20年．每年主辦私人部門參與海洋環境永續性原作會議．也編輯海洋與漁業工作組聯合特刊． |
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此外曾多次參加聯合國氣候變化干預工業年度大會以及國際自然保育重要會議藉力爭取我國的權益和能見度例如民國81年我協助起草世界保育組織IUCN陽明山宣言促成東沙環礁國家公園的成立 |
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此其被認為是臺灣第一個海洋保護區．上述經驗使我深刻提升到．文官社會能力和國際參與的重要性．高階文官也應有全方位的訓練 |
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立法經驗明國82年我起草《環境教育法》並於環保署副組長任內完成立法明國101年擔任第8屆全國部分區立法委員四年期間本於學術專業和積極立法獲得跨黨派委員之信任與支持順利通過海洋委員會組織四法國土三法、學校文化資產保存法 |
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溫氏氣體減量及管理法等十二項立法或許在大院服務期間每一項重大法案均親自參與研擬、討論、跨黨派協商個人的學術專業整合協調、政務信任及催生立法的經驗相信有助於考試院考選事務、法案研修溝通和培訓規劃、管理與法證的人才如有機會必當全力以赴四、參與考試院願務期許 |
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考試院是依據憲法超脫黨派、獨立行使職權、為國舉財、培訓和保障文官制度的重要憲政機關民國100年我候聘為高普考典事委員111年為命題兼月卷委員 |
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同年擔任海洋行政內專長審查會議召集人．協助考選部辦理海洋人才專長分類．並檢討考試科目與方式．這些事務經驗應可繼續強化．希望對於國家考試有更多的注意．未來能參與考試院務．將致力於下來工作．一、考試方式與其距離 |
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時代與社會不斷變遷．國家發展也面臨不同階段和需求．因此國家考試必須與時俱進．例如因應智慧化時代．和年輕世代普遍使用3C產品的新趨勢．數位化環境與考試方式已有所調整．未來是否應增加更多數位化考科． |
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試題佔比和考場．比試是否開放計算機應用．人工智慧AI在考選事務上又如何．應如何應用與管理相信都是重要的研究和議題但依據近年來命題與月間經驗．考生書寫和思考的能力是有退步此外純科學與社會科學的考試．命題方式也有所不同例如某些社會科學尤其是法證類課． |
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的命題材選擇題方式可能未竟適合多元社會或復雜的設計議題有些命題如果側重十倍視覺也可能抹殺考生思考空間和論述能力因此如何設計運用多元的測驗方式一方面強化學生思考、組織與論述能力另一方面提升考試品質與公正性將是我對命題和考試方式關切的重點二、考試切合 |
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考試應切合用人機關需求．教考訓練用的傳統思維．需要以目標為導向．逆向思考．由國家和用人機關需求出發．兼顧運用考交的反思．才能使國家有優秀人才可用．學校教學設計．也能貼近社會需求．社會趨勢和國家需求 |
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換言之教學和考選制度及其與用人機關的需求必須切合很多國家或企業非常重視信像測驗、人格測驗﹐邏輯訓練、表達能力和創新管理除了基本專業考課外﹐未來的文官考試有必要更加重視﹐口試的運用和佔比此外加強考選與用人機關的對話﹐以及用人機關的參與也將日行重要三、建立國家考試研究機制﹐考選方式必須嚴謹和公平 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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參考國外制度如日本、韓國及人事考選機關構﹐不乏設立研究部門的案例我國考試院或所屬部會﹐未來是否應成立國家考試測驗研究所或中心﹐以建立題庫和口試標準化作業﹐是個人關心的目標此外﹐某些部門、行業或離島地區﹐在外語需求、專業食物興業﹐和地區的特殊性上也有不同的考慮因此考試制度也需因地制宜不斷優化 |
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國外如新加坡對於清涼和高階文官的培訓體制﹐有期可取之處﹐個人期望持續就適用於我國的優劣利弊﹐進行可行性分析﹐並提出建議是國際事業與專業認證﹐以我過去關注的 |
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海洋領域委員．相關官員必須知道．攸關國家權益的．最新協議和措施趨勢．例如國家管轄領域外區域．多生物多樣性保育協定．和近日在韓國釜山召開的．全球塑膠工業第五輪懲判．對我國的遠洋漁業、外貿產業．國民健康和生態環境等． |
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都有可能產生重大衝擊此外我國雖然通過了海洋產業發展條例和海洋保育法但尚未落實與實現因此例如海洋保護區、海洋空間規劃、藍色經濟、氣候變遷和海洋碳匯如何接軌國際、人才如何培養和認證都是先進議題文觀予以備具一定的素養和知識才能讓我國成為與海共榮的海洋國家 |
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近年來政府大力推動2050淨零碳排、離岸風電、生態與環境整合．全國生態綠網、水下考古、自然保育與景觀保護的政策．應有關碳排管理師、海洋規劃師．海洋工程技師、生態技師、景觀技師．和水下考古人員認證等．有倡議．為事後合一、仍以能代多方對話． |
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建立明確的人才培育和認真的制度這些都是個人期望能整合各方意見．有所貢獻的課題或許努力依據中華民國憲法增修條文第6條．考試院為國家最高考試機關．掌理考試權序保障復續退休及任免考積 |
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及奉升遷褒獎法證事宜個人由過去的教學及參與國家考試事務中深刻提認到此一國家憲政機關的重要性個人在考試行政立法部門的歷練相信可協助考試院事務經濟、法治溝通和政策推動 |
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為未盡閒守與或深入的部分．將虛心聽啟．大院各位委員、考試院同仁．相關機關和權益各方之意見．進行研究與務實回應．羅盟大院同意為考試委員．將一本初衷．努力貢獻．不負所託．敬請各位委員指教謝謝好 謝謝邱備提名忍之說明 |
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現在進行委員詢問每位委員詢答時間20分鐘採疑問疑答方式進行輪到詢問委員如不在場視為棄權首先請蘇委員侵權詢問 |
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謝謝主席我請邱委員請邱備提名人委員好邱委員我請你邱委員因為我們第8屆立委我們是同事現在主席也是同事 |
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為了你的事情我昨天還去請教國民黨副署長那我因為你在馬英九時代第一個問題之後你在馬英九時代當環保署副署長然後在112年20162012到2016你還是部分區那所以 |
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請問因為公務人員的忠誠度非常重要那你以前有當過國民黨執政期十幾的政務官立法委員那你或考試院提名前後是否有向黨部報備或者是徵求同意或者黨部來推薦你跟蘇委員報告 |
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我是依據總統府秘書長在3月5號行文給全國150所大三院校還有包括幾個機關團體的方式來進行申請的這個過程當中我事實上只認為是 |
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這是一個從大專院校徵才海選的過程我並不清楚還有其他的任何的管道這是第一個說明那第二個就是我認為這個考試院依照憲法的規定第88條的規定 |
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那考試委員必須要超脫黨派之外依照法律來獨立行使職權所以我認為考試院應該不應該有政黨的色彩或者是政治的色彩而應該是超然獨立的為文官制度的領選培訓跟他的保障來盡力那我認為這兩點是希望所以你不是國民黨政黨推薦嗎我完全不知道還有這個管道 |
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所以就讓立法院來做決定來投票看看你能不能獲聘會不會通過當然我們追蹤大院的任何決定好那等到投票結果再說了第二個問題你在國外念了碩士博士在UPenn嘛對不對是那你在那邊幾年 |
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我在那邊七年,從1984年到1991年那你的小孩是不是有在那邊出生的老大在台灣出生,兩歲的時候跟著去念書小的在那邊出生那現在最近台灣有搞外國學歷搞到上街頭什麼的我倒是要問你,因為在國外受教育的 |
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我們因為留學、遷徙、移民或者是婚姻而不得不到國外去有一些外交官的小孩也在那邊出生就像你的小孩那他在國外念書回來到台灣以前是非常的平順那現在搞到這樣因為一個波瀾的學歷的問題 |
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然後搞到現在全世界回來的伊學院校的像我看到在NYU的回來的也不能考試考試又不能實習那你的看法你當考試委你的看法是怎麼樣 |
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各位報告我想這個很多事情我們不能單從一個個案或是一個特例來看待應該綜合性的來看待所謂的問題那如果我們回歸到這個憲法的一個規定憲法第15條人民的工作權本來就應該保障 |
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所以我認為說婆婆醫生的問題是一個議題但是大家應該可以來非常平心靜氣的來討論這個議題到底是怎樣不應該是單獨針對某一個族群或者某一個群體我覺得這一點大家一起來討論但是過去考試院這邊事實上是 |
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配合衛福部提出的考試規則所以任何的考試規則考試院在制定的時候都不是依照各個目的事業主管機關所提出來的相關需求或者是規定然後我們把它納入考試規則我的意思就是說你有到國外去受教育你應該會比較宏觀高度要夠 |
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全世界九大地區的念醫學牙醫的藥學的回來到臺灣我們就直接認可他的學歷甚至於以前在日本只要念到博士學位考上日本的醫師執照回到臺灣就可以直接換證書喔那後來又要考試了那現在就九大地區的像南非、香港、日本等等 |
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現在回來全部今年入學的全部都要回來考鑑定考試就是Pretest鑑定考試考完鑑定考試醫學的Pretest的及格率才10%牙醫的才6% |
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副院長 副院長 副院長 副院長 副院長 副院長 |
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他二考過之後才有醫師證書然後進到教學院裡面才要進入PGY1、Y2還要兩年台灣這個制度差不多全世界第一名 |
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這張會不會走回頭路現在在美國在你念哈佛大學念史丹佛啦像我們主席的小孩子在Texas嘛在Texas回來要途中要這樣一人一人考以前這樣是什麼意思啊台灣第一名台灣什麼都想搞是這樣嗎你在看我 |
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謝謝蘇委員我想過去蘇委員對這個醫療系統都非常的清楚了對這個醫生的這個培訓的過程也非常清楚那我也回想到過去在賓州大學美國賓州大學呢他的醫學院是非常好的 |
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有些國家的醫療水準培訓的嚴謹度是非常高的所以這個部分到底要不要分開來處理或者是說我們分級來處理其實我們必須要看一下衛福單位的意見醫護單位的意見來做一個合適的處理我想考試院這邊 |
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如果我們有這個機會去服務的話我們會聽取各方的意見來做審慎的配合這個你一定要用宏觀的角度為這個拉高一點不然的話這樣每一個人都是鑽牛角尖每一個人都海島國家的特性狹隘這是很糟糕的事情我們再這樣走回頭路的話台灣是會退步的 |
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在國外念法律系、念會計系你回來不要讓他考會計師、讓他考律師嗎 |
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在美國本地人要申請醫學院也不太好申請那如果你是拿綠卡的那更不好申請那美國人自己申請醫學院醫學系4年加4年第二個4年如果申請不到他們就跑到加拿大去申請跑到美國的屬地譬如說波多黎各、格雷納達那邊他們有一些學校都在那邊設婚校 |
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在那邊唸了再申請是你得到的話就一部分時間在美國一部分時間在那個屬地那這個還OK另外再來再申請不到他們就跑到歐洲去唸就所謂產生歐盟有一些藝學是有一些英文班啊什麼班那舊歐盟15個國家新歐盟10個國家他們都混在一起歐盟是混在一起 |
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那我據我了解你在匈牙利念、你在西班牙念他們的最後一次的畢業考就是美國的醫師考試的Part 1那你這邊考過之後就是畢業了那你就可以直接到美國的醫院去實習他們是這樣所以是拿那個Part 1的考試來當作畢業考 |
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非常好阿那台灣現在跑去那邊練的就跟人家一起讀嘛讀英文班嘛阿敢講到這樣汙名化、講到這樣很卑賤的言語就是霸凌、霸凌、霸凌就像我們現在在霸凌這樣齁我是覺得大可不必啦你要考試你就像剛剛你要一關一關考你要一關一關考我們都沒有意見但是他只要能考得過表示說他是Qualify嘛你的看法怎麼樣 |
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我想這個每一個學校訓練的嚴謹度還有他這個實習的時間那麼過去的一些醫療的一個經驗等等都應該綜合評估了然後讓每一個學校或者是每一個地區的水準我們大家都寥如指掌我覺得這樣子的話不是針對某一個特定的族群或者是群體他在制定的這個考試規則才會是適材適所而且是比較公平正義 |
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因為我們台灣跟國際接軌所以我們一定要放開心胸我們用人家人才人家用我們的人才這是天經地義嘛所以我昨天看那個ASML他們說他們的好幾百個員工都是台灣過去的這是好事啊他們也會回來嘛所以不要那麼狹隘好那接著我再問你現在霸凌那麼嚴重 |
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你們考試院那個保訓會啊到底扮演什麼角色你知道嗎 |
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依照公務人員保障法第19條我們當然是有這個責任因為公務人員的衛生跟安全的部分必須要制定相關的措施這個部分制定法律的部分是考試院的職責考試院這邊我相信未來會多聽取大家的意見 |
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我們考試院有一個安全衛生的辦法是保訓會那行政院又搞一個員工資產霸凌防治流程這兩個有沒有打架 |
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這個是各有各的一個行政體制因為這個部分的確委員點出一個很重要的一個觀點就是我們到底有沒有一個比較通盤性的全盤性這個比較整體性的一個看法例如說有些的這個防制霸凌它叫做作業的準則有些叫做要點那有的叫標準流程那你會認為行政院這一個 |
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這個制度啊 不會關關相覆啦﹖或者是掩蓋事實啦﹖或者是施案啦﹖你們認為會不會 |
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當然外界有疑慮所以我是說我們這個制度的建立必須要非常的嚴謹所以這個部分我是覺得我們應該要各方要一起來對話所以你如果有機會的話你們這個保訓會一定要好好的來加強功能不要讓人家看不到你們在扮演什麼角色再來我們考試院有一個國家文官學院 |
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行政也有一個公務人力發展學院這兩個是在做什麼這兩個功能不太一樣在考試院的部分他比較強調是在出任文官升官等的升等比如說兼任升到檢任甚至是高階文官的培訓但是行政人事總署的這個機制他是比較從這個在職訓練所以兩個這個是不一樣的 |
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所以現在建任的要升檢任的要上文官授訓是去文官授訓還是在行政院授訓應該是考試院如果沒了解錯誤的話所以那個那個行政院這一個是一個一個是什麼下令營再次訓練再次訓練 |
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就等於夏令營的意思啦就是他現在已經有工作了然後再讓他培養他的一個所以你們考試院本身要硬起來啊你們這樣搞什麼啊我看你們都人家都把你全部要幹掉啦然後最後最嚴重就是你們說沒有考試委員期間你們考選部部長、全系部部長、保訓會主委三個人就可以開會緊急必要事項自己搞一搞那這樣選你們考試委員幹嘛 |
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我想這個是不得已的一個措施因為我們遲遲考試委員沒有上任所以依照這個相關的法律或者憲法授予的這個權利他都必須有一定的延期的行政程序所以如果沒有的話他是有所不足的所以沒有考試委員還沒產生之前這三個人就可以 |
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那是在做一些緊急而必要的那你們將來如果成立之後要追認嗎?要追認,一樣一樣追認嗎?我想應該會的應該會啦因為啦,你們科技委員很重要你的重要是在哪裡?非你們不可,你們要秀出來啊不然我覺得,好像有也好沒也好我們會努力所以你們要拿起來啊好,最後一個問題齁 |
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你跟田丘警委員在第8屆的時候你們就是海洋委員會就是你們兩個推出來的嘛那我那現在的海巡署就是在海洋委員會下面嘛那我沒有推那個海巡署你就把他當作第二海軍就當作第二海軍在噗嚨啊你看現在在海岸跟對岸的那個海警船 |
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軍艦不敢出去嘛 不敢對幹都用海警船 都用我們的海巡署下去我們的小船去碰大船我是覺得他們很危險耶文彥兄你覺得怎麼樣警修 剛剛您的題目是好像是要提到將來警修的這個能不能組工櫃嘛 |
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主工會以外就是他們的退休軍第二海軍嘛你就比照軍人嘛95%、90%、85%也可以啊不能把他們當作一般警察都都逗某鬧鬧的啊就出事啊呼吸一下我覺得這樣 |
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太粗魯了吧 你認為呢 這個是你跟田蕉井催生出來的 我要看你的立場我想這個錦霄的工作非常的辛苦 那海選署的工作當然也是不例外所以我也非常的諒解 體認就是海洋委員會所有工作同仁的辛苦 |
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但是這個警消是不是要比照軍人有更好的待遇所以我們現在的機制已經比一般的公務人員他的待遇、他的退休、提早的年齡等等都有比較好的一個規劃所得替代力很差我覺得我們對公務人員你們這個保訓的 |
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國務院的信賴保護原則希臘碰到經濟危機在財務在怎麼爛已經整個中央銀行都要配德國德意志銀行收編被人家接收了他們對於原來的退休人員他們還是承諾還是繼續堅持下去希臘有倒嗎沒有倒啊 |
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有更差嗎 沒有啊 現在看起來越來越好啊所以這種政府跟人家簽約 你要當念軍校也好 念警察也好那個當初都是簽約的 簽了之後就退後你轉到台 到台 到台 你認為這樣合理嗎 |
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我覺得從大方向當然我們對政府的財政也必須維持它的穩定但是不同的職業有不同的需求應該可以來討論所以我覺得這個部分我們會多聽取大家的意見來提出我們的看法最後一個問題剛剛你講的 |
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營銷 消防人員也是很危險消防人員他們要組工會等等 你的看法怎麼樣 |
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主公會事實上每一個國家的制度不太一樣有些國家它的錦梟是可以主公會的但是它有一定的限制有些是不能主公會因為這裡面涉及到罷工權的問題錦梟的職務其實它是公法的一個關係而且是對人民的生命財產是非常的重要 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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希望能夠兼顧到我們錦霄的權益所以這個部分怎麼樣保障錦霄的權益讓他們有更好的一個生活環境、工作環境這才是真正的關鍵還有最後就是因公殉職跟因公死亡 |
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這個常常很大的爭議所以你們考試委員、全席部一定要站在公務人員的立場不要處處刁難搞了好幾個案子全部都是很辛苦那這些委員一個比一個頭腦還硬 |
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這個你如果有信應上去這一點要堅持好不好會的我們會感同身受的有共同力心的來繼續努力謝謝好謝謝蘇委員謝謝邱備提名人下一位請王美惠委員詢問 |
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主席,我們請求被提名人請被提名人答詢王議員好你好應該也要尊稱你一個學長在第8屆時你做過我們的立委是國民黨提名你的 |
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我現在還是國民黨籍 |
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因為在這裏我認為應該是我們考試院裏的部份黨派﹑外交會團選都說 要進來做官的選要有民進黨 |
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我們可以看出我們的總統提名率不分黨派但是有人說補助也有可能你提名率高,國民黨有邀請你回去收名你是如何來擔任這個政府委員會請問你,你能否回去收名 |
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跟委員報告這是有的因為我在5月31號獲得總統府提名的時候就在第一個時間因為中午就結束嘛下午1點鐘的時候我就立刻聯繫中央黨部 |
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有跟依照秘書長的指示我在星期一的時候6月3號就到我們中央黨部去做親自的說明依照這個考記會的這個意見我們提供書面的說明所以我是有說明的 |
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你有說明 本席跟你請教一個問題因為現在的幾個黨都紛紛擾擾 我覺得都沒辦法超越黨派今天你來投票的時候 你選擇這個節目的時候萬一國民黨你開競 其中一個人選 你會想法的 |
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像黨部會有他自己的規定或是他自己的考量那這個部分我是尊重我們黨的這個決定但是如果有幸進去到考試院依照憲法的規定考試委員本來就超脫黨派 |
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這次提名也有看到兩位國民黨的一位原住民其實他是跨黨派所以我從開始參與的時候我就沒有這個概念說他是哪一個黨哪一個派的事情這是國家的事情保障國家文官制度的一個該做的工作 |
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因為聽出來你的說明 我覺得這樣很好可以超越黨派 可以替一個國家做事情是很大的影響所以在這今天 大家跟我說 大家問一些問題在第二天的時候 剛才你有報告來賓你身為台北街的委員 |
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提案很多：若在本縣有人注意到：你的第一個提案：就是選辦法：你提案裡面：就是將我們現在的分分樓樓：在那裡緩解很多 |
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的問題出在這 因為你提這樣的時候 你是提說要附帶新聞集我再問一下 到你現在已經過了十幾年了 你這個想法因為時空背景不一樣 環境也不一樣 你的想法到目前為止 |
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你會有改變嗎?這個提案來因為這個提案當中有到二讀的時候三讀都沒有因為我們當時的王院長我們也可以大家多溝通、多協調還可以來選擇這個法要不然我們有起來了解說 |
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您在第8屆議會的時候 跟您剛才說的時候是怎麼不去講到這個憲法法是不是就這個機會來講一下 來 |
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好的我對這方面其實過去因為那是在剛開始在擔任立法委的時候提出來的所以我對整個相關事情的這個評估可能沒有那麼的清楚但是我覺得我們提出這個想法其實是可以來討論就是怎麼樣讓這個我們的制度是比較合理的 |
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尤其是要不要付身份證這個銀牌的部分怎麼樣去認證如果是有一個更好的方法或是大家有一個共識的情況之下我覺得是可以討論的 |
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現在的所解釋是 希望大家都有共識的時間來做比較好因為我認為 長久以來在2012年 那時候幾十年我們的國民黨的執政沒有發動 |
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在八成的時期所以在時空八成的時候我相信你選擇這個選擇也有你當時的想法不過你未來的改善就是說我們能夠協調好、參選好這是最重要的 |
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本身也覺得你有你的專業因為我看出來的時候你包括對海巡署這個單位你非常有專業也有你未來的時候可以提出你的專業來處理 |
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因為考試院就是我們的公務人員最近大家都紛紛擾擾 會講的話就是做得不好 |
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我聽人家霸凌這個問題的時候 中央有處理要不夠處理的當中 問題的處理很大在這 我要來去請教一個問題現在我們最近有 你應該有關心那個謝毅龍在基隆的大廈裏面面前 |
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我想我們行政機關都是要依法行政 |
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對啦當然要依法行政啦我現在跟你說的這也依法行政啦因為這個編輯不是他已經沒說 |
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公務人員的主席他還是公務人員的主席他是現有的政府部委員他未來如果有公家機關還要來用的時候他還是還要有主席我們的面子不能讓他做公務人員是我們需要的 |
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全屆委員會破關後應該送去他的公務人員的家是不是這樣來請你回答一下是的依照這個考試法的規定這個要打丁等例如是丁等或者是兩次大過免職 |
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他必須有一定法定的程序所以考機法裡面有規定幾項的那個要件比如說你是背叛國家、貪污等等但是這個部分他還是要經過一個考機會的一個程序所以他今天免除這個指揮官是不是在行政程序上面還可以再做更周延一點但是另外一方面 |
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真的如果這個部分要進行處理還是可以送到監察院監察院有懲戒懲戒會那邊懲戒法院那邊做判定才可以剝奪他的公務人員的資格所以他是有不同的程序也不同的這個規定所以有的不知道說要面子、要衣服套路不是這樣是要判決之後在這幾十年來 |
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我們可以保證國務院委員會的﹐到目前為止﹐到四個人而已 |
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有兩千多案都有判決．不過就是說．他的考試要如何處理．如何處理．因為我委員會來自之前．我們知道之前．本身要如何做考試．要如何在場．我們的長官、主管．如果能夠鼓勵．有時候沒有款式的人． |
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每一屆到幾年要考試的選﹖不是說本來的人都要來考試﹖沒有本來經常請教來考試的﹖不是這樣﹖所以我希望你了解﹖新任在這個節目時﹖我們去管理好﹖因為是怎麼會考試的﹖就是論理時﹖他會覺得說﹖ |
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他沒有背景：還有要照顧的：您的團委說要照顧的：要有人配合的：結果配合的都是：沒有款式：沒有主管：認真配合的人：所以我們：的父親：可以做好：還有保障： |
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困難的人、臨時的人撈的條．不過在這最主要、最最主要的．就是我們的保證公務人員．的法律法的當中．你沒有保管．沒有好的公務人員．繼續押鉤在． |
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這公務人員這才是最差勁的、最嚴重的 |
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我非常敬佩委員我是覺得行政機關就像一個大家庭大家應該有同理心讓自己的員工所屬都能夠像自己的家人自己的朋友、自己的夥伴大家一起為政府來做服務為民眾做服務所以這個部分我是覺得我會把委員的高見帶回去 |
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考試院如果有這個機會的話跟他們多多討論怎麼樣建立一個比較好的一個制度讓我們的公務人員能夠在一個比較合理的對待環境裡面充分發揮他的能量因為我認為世代沒有人以前做公務人員說實在的大家都想說我們就覺得說可以考到我們也覺得很榮幸會做但是背景沒有人 |
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環境也不一樣的時候有時候不是說大家都會覺得說人家Q、人家80、人家什麼但是我覺得那個制度要透明化、要做得好這是最重要的 |
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在這裏面我再跟你討論一下我們的消防也好、健床也好有一個職業安全衛生法和公務人員有一個保障公務人員的款在這裏面有一個守護法現在這裏面有一個保護法我覺得在這裏面你認為 |
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是怎樣我們的公務人員有甚麼做不到的應該要來成立這個工會嗎請你回答一下我想成立工會是一個選擇但是我們在成立工會有沒有其他的方式是可以來達到我們的目的比如說員工的福利他的工作環境的這個條件甚至他有一些爭議的時候怎麼處理這個 |
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還有他的主管機關、上級主管機關怎麼要刻以他的責任這個部分能夠周詳的去考慮我覺得公會法當然是一種方式但是我們要考慮到公部門的一個公法之間的關係跟人民的安全福利的一個關係但是是不是現在送到大院來的協會法也是一個方式我覺得這兩個法之間應該大家來討論一下看看是用什麼樣的方式是比較合理的 |
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因為這個法﹑我們公府法﹑就是有辦法去處理﹑有辦法去懲戒這是最重要的問題在這裏面 我覺得剛才本席就跟你說過了我們做考試院裏面的委員﹑就是抄議的黨派那未來你有帖子 你要給過關大家投票用台幣的時候 你想要賺 |
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考試院來賓很想要做的事情：是否可以發表 |
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我想這個到如果有機會到考試院我對這個考試制度的這個研究我是非常有興趣那因為每一個國家的制度不一樣我們常常講說新加坡、日本或哪裡的制度比較好但是它是不是適合在台灣因為台灣有不同的法的體制行政系統不太一樣這是一個我想要做的 |
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另外當然國內有很多的很重大的政策比如說離岸風電、淨林碳排這些相關的這些技師們或者是專業人才怎麼去認證我覺得這一點也是非常重要因為這是牽涉到我們國家的永續發展也牽涉到我們國家的這個制度怎麼樣才讓這個真正的專業能夠發揮他的專長 |
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所以類似這樣當然另外一方面因為我過去也參與一些國際的活動我覺得要爭取國家的權益非常重要就是對國際事務的關心所以涉外能力就是他對外的能力他對國際上參與其實非常重要就像我剛剛報告裡面提到的現在的這個全球塑膠公約這個可能會管理因為台灣的塑膠可能是百分之六、七十都是外銷的 |
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所以會不會影響到我們的外貿所以這個跟國家的經濟發展非常有關係所以對高階公務人員：或者一般公務人員的：英文的能力：或者社外的能力：國際事務的關心我覺得這一點我會盡我的力量來協助考試院因為在這我認為你剛才的抱負來臨就是你的專業 |
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因為你也真正擔任到我們的環保署的副署長所以聽你說這樣是很專業我常常說一句話沒分安逸、沒分黨派好的黨也有好的人才壞的黨也有好的人才所以好的人才 |
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不管在你考到的時候都可以為國家做一些事情剛才你所說的那個禮典什麼我覺得非常對台灣來說非常重要所以要接種你的專業可以六個字 |
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我希望你可以一一來協助﹐我們的政府的考試院﹐所有要做的東西﹐可以超越黨派﹐未來大家對你的家門﹐可以有這麼大﹐你我互相勉勵﹐ |
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可以贏過這次的提名我也在這祝福你平安謝謝委員超然的立場跟支持謝謝謝謝黃委員謝謝貝提名人下一位葉元芝委員還有范雲委員之質詢均以書面提出列入記錄刊登公報下一位請黃國昌委員詢問 |
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謝謝副院長是不是麻煩有請被提名人邱教授請邱被提名人答詢委員好被提名人好我想為了便於溝通我就稱呼您邱老師這樣可能一直喊被提名人邱文彥先生也很拗口 |
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我想邱老師過去不管是擔任公職擔任立法委員或者是在學校任教有你一定的reputation不過也請邱老師要能夠理解在立法院這個國會的殿堂你也擔任過立法委員立法委員最重要的工作就是要站在人民的立場來行使這個人事同意權 |
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所以接下來的問題或許會有一些直接請您不要見怪這是一個立委該做的事情您擔任立委應該可以充分理解吧是的好來第一個事情您是不是支持在公務人員保障法裡面徵定反霸凌條款我們應該要去修改修訂考試院所制定的這些法律比如說是公務人員保障法 |
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所以您知不支持我支持你支持嘛有一件事情我要藉由這個質詢的機會提醒邱老師如果有一天你有幸擔任考試委員的話不要犯相同的錯誤我為什麼說你如果有幸擔任考試委員不要犯相同的錯誤我那一天 |
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請教我們的院長被提名人我說他支不支持在公務人員保障法裡面徵定反霸凌條款他馬上同意在行使同意權的場域當中他會說同意我一點都不驚訝但讓我驚訝的是什麼我完成了那一場同意權行使的詢答以後我回去查了考試 |
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院、院會所有的紀錄我赫然發現2021年就有考試委員在考試院的院會提出來在公務機關霸凌的狀況我國的法制不夠應該要修改結果發生了什麼事情邱老師您知道嗎讓我震驚的事情是發生的事情就是什麼都沒發生 |
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有考試委員在院會提出了這個問題要學術部處理學術部什麼都沒做2022年相同的問題再被考試院院會提出來討論要求保訓會處理結果保訓會還是什麼都沒做在2024年的今天 |
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當整個台灣社會為了精誠的公務員被霸凌到選擇結束自己的生命整個社會都在哀傷都在憤怒的時候我必須要老實的講上一屆的考試院難辭其咎上一屆的考試院難辭其咎 |
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沒有把他們該做的事情做好導致到2024年的時候我們竟然要在國會裡面透過人事同意權的審查來一一的請教你們支不支持在公務人員保障法裡面制定反霸凌條款這早就該做的事啊邱老師您認不認同我的說法 |
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我想這個發生霸凌的事件是令人心痛的那這個部分既然以前的考試委員有提出來我覺得應該要追蹤應該要追蹤嘛我希望您回去考試院以後好好的追蹤問一下我們考試院的同仁當初為什麼2021年開始2022年開始搞到現在2024年什麼事都沒有做這是我對您的第一點期許跟要求 |
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接下來你贊不贊成公務員納入職業安全衛生法這個兩個可能是不太一樣的體系所以你贊不贊成我覺得有保障法公務員要有保障法您知不知道職業安全衛生法跟公務員保障法這兩套規範規範的密度差別有多大 |
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我對於職業安全衛生法並不是那麼的清楚我期許喔 被提名人你有機會當考試委員花一點時間去瞭解兩件事情第一件事情是職業安全衛生法的規範密度為什麼比我們公務人員保障法高這麼多為什麼因為它有罰則第二個為什麼這麼多公務員的團體 |
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我們基層的警消希望把它納入職業安全衛生法因為公務人員保障法裡面的保障就不足嘛完全不足嘛才有這麼強烈的聲音嘛但問題是什麼為我們一般的民眾出生入死的打火弟兄們當他們看到一個一個弟兄犧牲了他們自己寶貴的生命發出怒吼的時候 |
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我們的政府卻是無動於衷該做的事情一直都沒有做 |
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好不容易在去年的時候當整個社會沸騰一場又一場的大火帶走了這麼多消防弟兄的生命他們本來要在凱道集結他們本來要在凱道抗議結果民進黨政府承諾他們我們會修法但是他們的期待又落空了一直到今年 |
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這個會期我們的立法院沒有把他們納入職業安全衛生法我們把他納入消防法我們告訴這些打火的弟兄說我們在消防法裡面我們設置了一個專章 |
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我們設置了消防人員安全衛生防護的專章為什麼要在消防法裡面設置安全衛生防護的專章就是因為等一下我們會討論到的事情是您另外一個任務就是因為現在公務人員保障體系的安慰辦法太糟糕了太糟糕了但是我們的政府又不願意把他們納入 |
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職業安全衛生法裡面所以我們的政府承諾他們什麼承諾他們說我們在消防法裡面設了消防人員安全衛生防護的專章這件事情邱老師清楚嗎這個部分我必清楚那這個資訊可能要麻煩被提名人要再回去補足一下因為在整個公務人員保障法的體系裡面我們現在出現了雙軌 |
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我為什麼說出現雙軌一般的公務人員是用安全衛生辦法但是我們對於消防弟兄我們給他希望能夠有更好的保護所以在消防法裡面設了消防人員安全衛生防護的專章 |
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但是那個消防人員衛生防護的專章裡面他裡面所設置的什麼他裡面所設置的各種委員會他裡面所設置的防護小組追本溯源還是要回到公務人員保障法裡面那這個我必須要跟邱老師報告這些啦恐怕都是當一個考試委員要去掌握的基礎資訊 |
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警消的權益必須要好好保護警消的權益必須要好好保護我想整個社會都認同但我們大家不認同的是什麼我們大家不認同的是當現在的這個政府一再的欺騙一再的拖延我們要這些警消的同仁繼續冒險犯難犧牲生命到什麼時候我為什麼說一再的欺騙一再的拖延 |
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您知道我們立法院在11月12號所修正的消防法我們的總統今天此時此刻今天公告了今天公告了消防法的修正條文但是被提名的你知道嗎我們剛剛所講的消防人員安全衛生防護的專章你知不知道 |
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開始施行了沒有我跟您報告我們消防人員安全衛生防護的專章我們的立法院當初希望給我們的行政機關方便我相信絕大多數的立委沒想到我們給他們方便他們當隨便 |
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為什麼我說給他們方便他們當隨意便我這個禮拜我在立法院召開了公聽會這個公聽會的重點就是怎麼強化對於我們警察對於我們消防同仁的保障那場公聽會我直接請教消防署派來的代表說我們現在三讀修正通過也就是今天總統公告 |
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要施行的消防法裡面的消防人員安全衛生防護專章當初立法院授權施行日期由行政院決定您知不知道他們決定施行日期什麼時候才要開始施行我跟邱老師說明五年以後五年以後邱老師您覺得 |
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這樣的行政院有負起他該負起的責任嗎我想這個施行日期的制定他可能行政機關會有他的考慮但是警消行政機關有他的考慮那我們第一線的消防弟兄勒警消的生命非常的重要所以我覺得這個部分應該要加速應該要加速我希望 |
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你的聲音我們大家今天的聲音我們行政院院長卓榮泰都會聽到因為如果行政院院長卓榮泰不好好承諾我們立法院三讀通過的針對消防人員安全衛生的防護專章的條文 |
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既然五年以後才要施行我們這些立法委員修這個消防法的立法委員恐怕都已經不在立法院了施行日期給他們定我們的行政院可以這樣幹我們的行政院可以這樣幹但為什麼這個跟考試院會有關係邱老師你一定或許心裡面會覺得有點納悶 |
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我是要當考試委員我們的行政院消防法裡面針對於我們打火英雄安全衛生防護的專章他們目前的計畫要五年以後才施行跟你有什麼關係我跟你直接報告為什麼會跟你們有關係當這個專章在正式施行以前針對有關於消防人員的安全防護請問要適用什麼辦法 |
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5598.409 |
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公務人員保障法19條寫得非常抽象沒有辦法具體的落實沒有辦法具體的實踐也沒有定任何的罰則公務人員保障法19條如果有用的話我們今天沒有必要站在這邊討論這個問題 |
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問題在哪裡在公務委員保障法下面所授權的定定的是公務人員安全及衛生防護辦法您知道這個辦法幾年沒有修了嗎十年沒有修了在過去這十年的時間當中啊台灣的公民社會各式各樣我們錦霄的同仁 |
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要求要修安全衛生防護辦法我第一次在立法院服務的時候2018年那時候發生了大火很多消防弟兄走了我們行政院人事總處我們考試院的保訓會在那一屆的國會承諾要求安慰辦法現在已經是2024年 |
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從第9屆的國會到第11屆的國會安慰辦法一條都沒有修過掌管安慰辦法修訂的是哪一個機關邱老師知道嗎是哪一個機關掌管這個安慰辦法的修訂應該是群聚部吧 |
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是保訓會沒有關係啊但是保訓會通過的安慰辦法最後還是要誰通過考試院院會嘛所以考試委員責任重大不是只有考試還有公務員的保障我們的考試院從2018年到2024年自己可以修的安慰辦法 |
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不需要透過立法院立法院早就授權了可以整整十年沒有修邱老師你可以接受嗎我想委員的關切如果有這個機會我會盡量協助考試院的同仁盡快把他的法律修訂好我希望你如果出任考試委員不是只有協助考試院的同仁恕我直言強力要求 |
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強力要求考試院的怠惰過去這幾年所釀成的悲劇從安慰辦法下面的消防人員到公務人員保障法下面職場受霸凌的公務員這不是都是活生生血淋淋的例子嗎考試委員重不重要在現行的體制下他當然重要消極的不作為對社會所造成的創傷 |
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決心斑斑的例子不都在我們眼前嗎是的我現在在給你機會展現決心我想這個委員的關心我不但是會帶回去如果有這個機會的話我也會盡我最大的力量來督促他們目前的安慰辦法最大的問題 |
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是完全沒有發責剛剛您在回答我的問題的時候我聽你說出來了代表你有用心有做基本的功課再下一個關鍵的問題我們的保訓會我們的考試院花了納稅人的錢找了台大的教授做了研究報告在2021年的時候就已經告訴我們考試院了 |
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這個安慰辦法沒有罰則根本沒有用你贊不贊成修改公務人員保障法增訂罰則這個在我們院長的被提名人他有做出這個宣誓就是我們將來會盡快來提出保障法的這個修正案盡快多久我記得他承諾是下個會期就要提出來下個會期都要提出來 |
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所以如果你也進入考試院的話你會配合一起完成這個承諾是嗎我會盡力從2002年開始我們的國家的考機制度大概一直延續到現在甲等75%乙等大概25%丙等鳳毛麟角丁等非常罕見 |
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整個大的picture是這個樣子針對現行的考機制度假等的人數比例不可以超過75%您覺得合理嗎這個有非常多的討論歷年來曾經也有調整過我知道相關的討論我都拜讀過了我沒有要考邱老師我直接問你的立場你認為合不合理我覺得這個部分是可以討論的 |
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當然可以討論也討論了非常久我現在在請教你的立場你認為合不合理我還是覺得說這個部分是應該要大家有個共識因為很多的情況每個機關的這個負擔的程度其實不太一樣75%是不是過於僵化是不是在追求形式上面的公平這個是大家質疑的第一件事 |
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但我要告訴邱老師跟您報告的是啊這已經不僅僅是不是只有形式公平的問題啊這可能造成了連形式上面的公平都做不到為什麼我這樣講來看一下我從2017年開始追蹤嘉義餅丁嘉義餅公務人考機的制度來看一下結果 |
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檢任的家等以上超過95%建任的家等以上82%委任的最低階的公務員差不多才是到75%他出現了一個很清楚的圖像關接越高啊家等比例越高啊被提名的人覺得公平嗎 |
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很多這個評論都是提到說考機是不是只講高官所以我想這個部分其實是我們要仔細的去面對目前的考機制度跟我們的文官體系它可能存在兩個最大的問題一個是勞役不均一個是這樣的考機的結果我希望你有機會到考試院服務要大刀拓斧的改革可以嗎是好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝黃委員謝謝被提名人下一位請蔡育宇委員詢問謝謝主席那是有請我們被提名人邱被提名人被提名人請答詢 |
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蔡委員好 |
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邱委員、邱老師很高興可以在考試委員的審查會我相信可以就幾個議題可以跟邱老師來探討我們知道邱老師本身是工程背景工程背景事實上也會讓我們發現在基層普遍在反映的一件事情就是基層公務員工程背景的人留不住人才 |
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這個留不住人才有蠻多因素的首先在任何機關不管是中央機關或是地方機關尤其越基層的機關在三級政府的鄉鎮公所幾乎是留不住包括土木包括工程類的人才 |
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那這主要也是來自於說第一個他們的工作辛苦第二個他們本身在工作上附帶的風險高第三個如果這些人才他們到民間他們會有更好的待遇所以變成在於這些人留在公務系統替我們政府來做事的意願是不高的所以我想要請教邱老師你對這一塊未來你當考試委員後你會有怎樣的一個具體的主張嗎 |
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謝謝蔡委員我想這個工程類科的缺額其實是非常明顯的像去年的話大概缺了130幾位建築的話 我講的是土木建築的話大概是缺了11位所以缺額的情況是非常清楚的 |
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但是由他的能不能留任跟他的大環境是有關係跟我們的大環境有關係外面的這個待遇施部門的待遇可能比公務員好一點所以這個是整個經濟環境的一個狀況那考試院這邊我看到相關的資料他們是希望說也可能從私人部門也能夠讓專機人員轉任公務員這是一個應急之道 |
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但是另外一方面在考試方面是不是讓這個工程類科的人他將來在找工作的時候能夠切合這個用人機關的一個需求所以這個部分的溝通其實是非常重要我們準考試委員我想跟你分享一下因為我看到好多基層的這個工程界的第一個他們不想留在工程單位 |
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他們在工程單位他們盡量會去爭取去調到非實際工程單位這是第一個我覺得比較麻煩的第二個就是說他們在公務員任職期間他們會盡量去考計師只要一旦他們有民間的計師的牌照他們就離開公務系統這個非常的 |
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可惜啦 因為我覺得我們最近有這麼多的預算包括這幾年的前瞻預算以及公務預算我們在投資這些工件的一些計畫的時候基本上都是需要這些基層的公務員他們在第一線不管是在做工程的設計或者是事後工程的把關都是需要他們 |
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那當然今年8月1號我看到行政院有公布一個命令就是針對工程人才無法留在公務系統他們有做幾個是用獎金包括要用專業家籍專業家籍說你實際從事公務我就每個月給你三千塊 |
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包括說我給你留任獎金留任獎金就是分第一年、第三年、第五年那就給他三萬塊、四萬五跟六萬這年底給就是說他希望把他的配他的薪資待遇拉高然後來促使這些人是希望他留在公務但是我覺得這個火候還是不夠啊力道還是不夠因為我相信真正這些好的人才他在民間一定會有更好的待遇 |
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所以這部分涉及到了整個這些優秀的人才而且他實際上從事公務我覺得最基本的還是待遇不足的問題那我想 |
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就教一下我們被提名人就這樣你覺得好的人才到底要怎麼樣才讓他可以留在我們的公務系統呢我的確是看到一個很重要的議題現在在外面缺工的情況是非常嚴重那當然公司部門的待遇的相互競爭也是一個議題 |
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我看到像學校因為我過去在學校服務學校裡面有所謂的彈性薪資彈性薪資意思就是說我有一個專案的計畫我們可以把這個經費調整調整以後它就會超過了它現在的本質的經費這個薪資甚至有些薪資大學教授可能高過於部會所長 |
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所以這種情況也是有的所以我的意思是說我非常贊同委員的看法在薪資結構方面的調整有沒有更大的一個彈性甚至運用一些專案計畫的一個經費來做這個挹注對 所以我是覺得這個檢討起來就專業人員我們不要讓他的專業讓他平庸化 |
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這個專案值得多少政府應該要給他的薪水就應該要盡量拉高這是我一個主張我希望未來您當選考試委員後你也可以支持這些基層的工程人員可以嗎 |
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台灣考試院在教考訓用一條邊 |
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一條邊的方式當然這個也是跟一條邊的方式就是由考試院來尋找人才以及做人才上如何去發配到各機關去這是一條邊的一個方式但是在於我們鄰近的國家日本跟韓國他不是用這樣的方式他是直接由選才機關 |
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選才之官自己辦考試然後自己去面試他想要的人這樣是兩條不同的形式那我想要請教我們被提名人你對於這樣兩個形式基本上你認為我們現在的方法會優於日韓嗎還是日韓有它的優點 |
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跟委員報告我們公務人員的體制文官受到保障或者是他的臨用其實是憲法的一個架構之下所以公務人員要進來的話他必須經過國家的考試但是國外確實是有很多的一些測驗的機構或者民間機構來做選擇甚至他考試的時候可能分階段第一個可能是基本考基本類科的考試 |
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Iwan NawiIwan NawiIwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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被提名了你也不排斥說未來我們打破一條邊讓各機關可以他們自行去臨選不管是他們自行召辦考試、自行去面試、去找他們要來臨載 |
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這一條選材方式你認為也不用去排斥就對了我覺得長期來看是可以來討論可以來考慮但是現在的情況就是說以公務人員的體系來或許跟用人機關之間有更密切的一個聯繫我覺得這個部分是可以在現在就可以來進行但是未來剛剛委員關心的這個部分 |
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是不是兩個軌道這個方式這是比較涉及到長期的一個制度性的問題所以我想我們我會把這個意見請教我們的考試院同仁來進行更縝密的一個研究好那再來就叫一個就是關於這個商調的因為現在很多機關事實上在公務員事實上常常遇到商調的時候要原機關同意 |
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那很多公務員礙於沒有辦法取得原機關的同意他可能會做一件事他重新考因為我沒辦法調到其他的機關我重考我重考然後再想辦法分發到其他的一個機關那我認為說基本上 |
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這樣的一個方式變得說他對於公務員的商調相對沒有彈性他就是卡在原機關同意甚至我們之前有在爭取就是說你公務員他有1到3歲的子女要養的時候我們盡量讓他擴大他的彈性可以到他以救養、撫養小孩子方便的地方來做他公務機關的一個任職但是還是原機關要同意 |
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所以這個原機關同意這件事就造成了公務員他們流動的一個困難那我想要請教貝琴你上任後就這樣一個商調的現行的規定有可能來做你的主張來做一些修正或者是你的看法呢 |
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我想我這個部分會把委員的意見帶回去讓我們考試院來做一個討論特別是這個部分剛剛提到是非常實際的問題例如說有很多的育嬰假的他要請假或是他要上吊的時候他必須經過原機關同意但是原機關可能就沒辦法同意 |
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這讓他就非常的困難只好另謀出路但是這個部分是牽涉到未來這個國內的人員這個資源人才庫怎麼樣建立一個比較完善的一個流用的一個制度或者是將來跟護調的一個方式我想這個涉及到整個人才庫的一個建立委員的這個關心我會把它帶回去 |
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因為未來如果你當選後考試委員畢竟就是跟公務員就是要站在一起嘛所以未來也許你的立場會跟立法院不一樣可是我期待的考試委員應該要更站在公務人員的一個立場把公務人員的心聲把他帶出來那讓我們在未來我們立法院在立法的時候可以聽到你們替公務人員發聲然後我們來來修法修的也許讓他更有彈性或者是讓公務員更可以符合他們在 |
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在任職的時候的一個比較好的一個福祉的環境還有我剛剛有講到的考試的一個問題公務員考試雖然公務員考試很多機關事實上還是有所謂的體能考試那我常常遇到遇到那種就是筆試過了結果就卡在這個體能的一個測試尤其是像在拉單槓或者是百米的跑步或者是立定跳遠 |
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有時候就差一點點差一點點 變成他那一次的比試就沒了未來要再重考他就要把時間再繼續耗在他的準備考試上 |
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那我覺得這件事也有它不合理的地方就是說既然我筆試已經過了那為什麼我這個筆試不能仿照像會計師他有做保留的幾年因為他是差在體試那結果就等於說他要把他的時間耗在準備考試身上對 所以我想要請教這部分我們被提名人 |
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在這部分我想這個考試資格的保留跟未來的像體能訓練的這個部分是不是可以有一個比較彈性的一個處理這其實是應該要討論的那我是覺得這個部分我會把這個意見帶回去讓我們同仁一起來研究 |
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基本上呢如果我們回歸到憲法的規定這些憲法的規定就是公務人員政府不應該歧視任何的一個種族啊或者是一個人一個族群嘛所以在公平的這個倒也不是歧視這個是變成說 |
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我講的意思就是說 |
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因為卡在體能這個因素造成他的筆試無效要等來年再來一次我覺得這件事情是有檢討的空間那我也希望說你不只是要把他帶回去而已你們應該考試委員嘛你們可以有你們的一個見解很多事情我知道要特別修緩不過本來這個就是 |
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現在五權分立的一個架構之下那考試委員我希望就是說可以聽取民意的考試委員可以接地氣的大家的意見你如果收集起來你覺得要怎麼去修法你們事實上還是有你們可以提出修法的建議嘛然後由我們立法院這邊看大家就修法這邊來交換意見我希望考試委員可以多一點 |
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主張認為說應該哪部分要調整那就應該要替這些公務員來做主張以及這些參加考試的人我想這個在未來的考試規則裡面我們再仔細的去思考有沒有其他比較彈性的一個做法或者是說比較合理的一個處置 |
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最後我想請教貝提銘人因為貝提銘人你的自傳裡面你也強調說國家考試為國舉財那事實上你的專業是在海洋領域這一塊那你在海洋領域裡面有很多的一些你的主張跟見解那看起來現在台灣 |
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賴清德在520就職的演說有確認三個國家方向其中一個就是探索海洋就是要把台灣是一個海洋國家我們台灣的人民是海洋的公民擁有海洋文化的DNA那所以如何讓台灣跟海洋是親近的那尤其未來我們知道包括在於這一個探會裡面其中燃炭的部分就是在強調這個 |
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海洋要怎麼樣 未來造就了這些碳匯的價值或者是我們台灣因為過去海禁 我們跟海的距離太遠那未來我們要怎麼親近海洋 |
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那這部分是不是有辦法從公務體系公務人員的一個訓練開始讓這個公務體系是可以更親近海洋的我想請教一下被提名人你有怎樣的報復讓你的對於台灣要親近海洋這個主張可以在你任職考試委員的時候讓他有更有發揮嗎 |
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我以澳洲的海洋政策白皮書提出三個願景一個叫做Understanding前面叫做CaringUnderstanding Use Advisory就是我們關心海洋 |
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但是我們也要了解海洋然後再來是永續的利用海洋所以這個部分臺灣有那麼多的海洋資源而且我們是以海為生的一個國家包括我們的漁業、遠洋漁業、貿易包括我們的航運等等其實還包括我們現在談到這個近年碳排的時候燃炭的一個部分到底怎麼處理我覺得這個教育非常重要當然這裡面不是說每一個部位都各出各的 |
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所以現在正在修訂的這個叫做國家海洋政策白皮書它就是一個統整的一個方向希望各個部會都能一起來做不管是科研的、我們的產業的發展還有包括我們的這個將來的資源的一個分配那最重要的就是環境的教育、海洋的教育所以我想這個部分應該可以來大力的來推動那當然很重要就是說親海愛海 |
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你必須要讓民眾接見海洋所以海岸的安全性它相關的設施它的相關的教育甚至跟地方上社區、學校、大學的結合這一點就非常的重要所以我想如果從這個方面一方面讓我們民眾來瞭解海洋、探索海洋但是更重要就是說我們追求我們相關的一些發展的機會讓國家能夠更為富強 |
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那被提名有可能把海洋領域的一些專業知識．或者是一些對海洋的瞭解．有可能未來成為考試的命題嗎這個在海洋行政類科裡面．它又分為幾個考試的科目．那事實上我看過他們過去的這些考題．都有這方面的知識．包括海洋科學基礎的東西 |
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海洋科普的東西海洋政策的東西都有在這裡面所以我想以後應該考試院這邊會繼續加強這個部分就我還想跟北京朋友們分享以我的看法現在的公務人員對於海洋基本上還是保守甚至抗拒當然有例外就是海巡可能他們就親近海了嘛海委會當然他們就是以海為主但是我跟你分享的就是說你知道像農業部 |
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同業部好幾千億的預算那其中關於漁業署多少預算你知道嗎我直接跟你說因為這個就100億而已三四千億的預算漁業署只有100億那這是為什麼就是因為不重視少了關心我相信署長你對海洋這麼認識你覺得台灣有幾個漁港是會看一看 |
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我們去台灣看每一個國家市長漁港漁港就是這個都市發展就是大概從港區開始往內陸發展結果台灣不一樣台灣是越走到港越破敗人口越老化越凋零然後那裡都沒有整修甚至你說我們的漁港有郵載可能一定一個郵載是十幾年前的事情後來就不用郵載過了 |
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所以現在那些漁港都充滿著這個被海浪衝擊然後造成的那些污漬都在那個牆壁上然後也沒有去整理我覺得這一個依北京沒有你對海洋的瞭解我們對於沿海地區的漁港它就是長這個樣 |
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那這是為什麼呢就是公務員他的本質心態並沒有覺得漁港的一個美麗才是代表台灣這個海洋國家的一個美的一個開始沒有這樣的心態我覺得很可惜好謝謝蔡委員謝謝邱備提名人接下來請楊瓊英委員詢問 |
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謝謝院會主席、江副院長、被提名者以及新聞界的朋友、各位同仁、楊瓊瑜發言首先邀請提名者請求被提名人 |
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首先我們來針對於職場霸凌的防治機制我們來做討論因為你也是在環保方面海洋方面非常的專精那同時也擔任過我們的部分區的這個立委 |
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所以在民意跟專業領域當面都有加成的作用但是你現在是被提名為考試委員所以也針對於在職場霸凌的這個部分我認為必須要首一的課題來跟你一起討論 |
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所以你認為現行的公務體系是不是它能夠有效的來防止職場霸凌在目前的機制那麼未來你認為還有什麼樣的建言什麼樣的相關規範可以來協助讓這個職場能夠更加的友善更加的安全那同時 |
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請做說明 |
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謝謝委員隨選我想這個發生霸凌事件那顯然就是我們的機制有所不足這是令人心痛的一件事情但是以考試院來說當然我們有公務人員的保障法 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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Iwan Nawi、Iwan Nawi、Iwan Nawi |
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Iwan Nawi |
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讓職場的人員有所安全感尤其在公職方面所以你也誠懇地回答出是有改善跟討論的一個空間我們也希望也就是如果設置一個獨立的申訴機制你認為有沒有這個必要性 |
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這個獨立的機制事實上依照我們現在的現行機制比如說我們這個保障法裡面我們可以透過一個程序比如說附審、申訴、代申訴但是在體制內或者體制外是不是還要一個考量我想今天應該是戴總統也有提到 |
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就是將來是不是在院級有一個專責的通報系統類似這個當然這個部分還是一個初步的構想我想我們還是需要來討論一下看看用什麼樣的方式避免所謂的關關相互或者是他的下情不能上達的情況所以我想這個制度的建立需要更審慎一點但是就應了您剛剛所說的也就是避免關關相互 |
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我希望能夠好好地去探討 |
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