| IVOD_ID |
163220 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163220 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-21T10:44:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-21T11:02:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03307e70a03ca0b99cd3809dd0b29fb6bc8bc26138795b0e9f30f825b39d62c807c68077156111bd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:44:29 - 11:02:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及交通部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及0708豪雨災損及回復情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我想請陳部長陳部長這個是誰的 |
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部長辛苦了我想這次丹納斯颱風我也看到你南北奔波全台勘栽的確是辛苦了那本席來自農業大縣那我想責無旁貸一定要為我們的農民發聲那我想要先請教部長我想也請部長好好回答這個問題農業部啟動全品項免限勘的補助標準到底是什麼 |
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除了農業損失超過千分之五農業損失超過千分之五跟振豐達十級以上有沒有任何沒有明說的隱形標準呢我可不可以報告第一個您剛才說的千分之五這個的規定已經在今年的三四月間修正過了所以已經沒有這個標準了 |
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那請問標準是什麼?可以告訴我嗎?全體下免限刊的補助標準是什麼?我先回答您剛才講的就是千分之五的部分現在已經在天然災害救助規則裡面已經修掉了已經沒有這個依據了第二個部分是時機陣風就免限刊也沒有這個規定 |
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那所以現在呢?現在的標準是什麼?現在我們分兩個部分喔免限刊的部分喔如果說根據我們的天然災害的天氣參數裡面不是每個品項喔我們因為它必須陸陸續續的公告那你先告訴我全品項的標準是什麼? |
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全品項的部分是第一個我們判斷他整個颱風進來的時候他如果對於他的那個區域那個區域可能是一個鄉鎮可能是一個縣如果具有普遍性的受戰的時候所以你現在是在告訴我說你是沒有任何數據依據我們是透過專家會議 |
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透過專家會議可以去做這樣的一個處理所以是沒有任何現在目前全品項免限刊你再告訴我是沒有任何有數據的依據嗎我跟委員報告全品項跟免限刊是兩件事情我們要先公告公告的時候我們可以用一個品項一個品項公告 |
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我當然知道等一下我要問你一個一個品項但是我現在就問你怎麼樣啟動因為過去是有農業損失超過千分之五然後振豐打十級以上的這個條件那 |
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雲林縣這一次其實是符合公告損失千分之五的雲林縣農業產值430億千分之五是兩億一千萬目前農損已經超過4.5億遠超標準 |
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而且如果假設是氣候參數陣風達10級以上雲林縣20個鄉鎮有17個鄉鎮是達到陣風10級以上甚至沿海的鄉鎮還有超過17級陣風的結果這樣子你告訴我說沒有達標全品項沒有免限刊也沒有到底是為什麼呢你可以告訴我原因嗎我剛才已經跟委員 |
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很明確的講就是說千分之五這個標準已經取消了那是三月取消的為什麼原因取消的呢因為用整個產業你用什麼取代這個東西呢還是你現在就打算沒有標準就是你部長一個人說了就算了絕對不是我部長一個人說了就算了 |
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專家會議的組成是怎麼組成的專家會議的組成是我們所有的試驗改良場所在第一線勘栽的包括我們的農林漁畜的分屬的部分所以人數是多少然後組成是多少 |
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我們人數是依照我們的我們要去檢討的這個品項如果今天是農糧類的就是農糧署還有農糧署的分數所以你覺得專家會議會不會恍不濟急呢會不會說颱風來了你還要把這些人都叫進來然後在那邊開會這是符合我們救災程序的嗎 |
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我告訴你我要跟委員報告現在的就在程序就是有地方政府提報以後做四方限刊我知道這些你不用再跟我說我不清楚嗎所以我現在是在問你全體像免限刊到底標準是什麼假設你說三四月已經取消了農業產值的標準那你的心 |
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標準是什麼可以告訴我嗎我們針對全品項如果要公告的時候我們的所有的試驗感染場所包括我們分組的同仁會在整個災區去看一遍所以你也不確定專家會議的人數是多少是嗎他會根據你要討論的議題所以你這個是你有一個很明確的規範嗎有嗎有可以提供我們委員會所有的委員參考嗎因為不只是我我相信包括 |
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參議委委員 包括陳廷輝委員還有包括謝依鳳主席他們都會需要有一個這樣子的指引讓我們很清楚知道說哪一個項目 哪一個品項是哪一些委員會跟我們做這個專家會議而且專家會議到底要開多久我舉一個例好了 我舉一個例 |
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這一次呢其實我真是希望救災是要不分藍綠的面對颱風來襲我們所有的農民他不只是生存受到威脅他的他的這些農產品是已經就是血本無歸了結果讓農民感受到差別待遇這就是二度傷害部長 |
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我們雲林縣的農業損失 農作物損失不包括漁業好了 我先把漁業排除是全國第二遠高於嘉義結果在7月7號農業部就公告說嘉義台南全品項補助雲林沒有 |
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然後一直到7月18號下午4點為止雲林縣的農業損失已經高達4億3666萬僅次於台南是全國第二到目前為止我們還沒有被公告全品項免限刊到底是什麼樣子的依據你覺得嘉義可以嘉義損失比我們少他可以全品項免限刊我們雲林縣不可以你告訴我原因可以嗎 |
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第一個部分颱風從嘉義進來那個時候因為這次颱風最主要是風量的關係所以你的依據是它颱風登陸的位置是嗎 |
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我們考量的是一個非常多的一個專業的考量第一個是台風的附近所帶來的風速那那個風速本身在嘉義台南地區它有普遍性的造成你剛剛不是跟我說你不參考這個什麼時級陣風嗎沒有我說時級陣風沒有所謂的時級陣風免限刊這件事情 |
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那所以也沒有全品項那你剛才現在又告訴我說這個嘉義因為陣風比較大所以我剛才說的就是我要開全品項的時候我第一個一定考量到整個的颱風的路徑它所帶來的特別是風速那嘉義台南的地區它大概的風速大概是14到17級的風所以你現在告訴我最新的依據是要14到17級的陣風才可以開全品項嗎 |
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這個東西沒有說絕對的一個標準所以部長我希望你要訂定一個明確的標準這未來你要做事也很有依據我們現在也訂了非常多的項目當然沒有包括全部的項目它的風速如果達到某個程度的時候 |
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所以希望你盡快的把它明確定出來因為這對於你農業部你也好做事然後對於縣市政府他也好做事對於農民他心裡才會有一個依據嘛你為什麼不把它明定出來呢我現在也沒有要檢討你說你是不是大細心你是不是有這個偏頗我現在告訴你說你要趕快定定明確的標準啊 |
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你要讓所有人心中覺得說這樣確定我一定有這我再問你 我就問你好了因為沒有全品項的補助我們雖然是農作物損害全國第二高沒有全品項救助在雲林我們已經開了98項的品項了 |
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我就是要告訴你是 你要一項一項開從那一天颱風來開始我們在 我們賴總統去勘災的時候那個時候開33項那時候爆出51項 你開33項像擠牙膏一樣 一次擠一點點 一次擠一點點因為沒有全品項的補助因為我們是靠專業的個性 |
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我先講 我不曉得你的專業依據是什麼啦反正台南嘉義就是7月7號就公告全品項了我們到目前為止才慢慢一點一點的公告受災的農民非常大的困擾 困擾是什麼我就問你 落花生的公告日期申請區域跟申請期限你知道嗎7月10號是 然後咧 期限到什麼時候 |
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所謂期限是什麼意思就是你報的那個期限啊沒有 10天啊然後我們也特別問了雲林縣政府他要不要延長我講給你聽好了申請的區域是全縣然後第四波公告第四波7月10號公告期限到7月29號然後那N3的公告日期申請區域申請期限呢7月9號那他的申請區域呢 |
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西螺二輪赤銅是然後呢然後他期限到什麼時候所謂的期限就是公告受理期限是10天嘛他現在受理的期限是到7月23號那我問你啊那是有再延長5天是那我問你啊土庫的芹菜可以申請嗎什麼土庫的芹菜可以申請嗎 |
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很抱歉喔 因為所以嘛 我現在就告訴你說這就是農民的現況了就是部長你會錯亂 他們也會錯亂你覺得每一個農民都跟他進幾行嗎他們可能進三行 進四行你每一個申請的時程公告時程都不一樣區域也不一樣 |
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你如果是 你是部長而且你還是這一方面的專家你可能頭腦都比他們清楚很多你知道我們現在面臨的可能都是60歲 70歲 80歲的農民他覺得一天他就報不清楚啦你就叫他報兩天報三天每天都不一樣是要怎麼報啦 |
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我跟委員報告不要大聲喔因為我這個人的習慣我是不想對你大聲我希望你拿出你的專業我會回應喔我希望拿出你的同理心我告訴你所有的災害不可能在同一天全部公告那你為什麼你現在告訴我說7月7號就公告全品項的嘉義跟台南呢 |
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那個是因為當時的風速嘛我拜託你要拿出你就把它訂定一個標準以後我就尊重你的標準你不要現在沒有標準你告訴我說就是颱風的路徑什麼的我跟委員報告齁所有的天然擦害的擦害的樣態有非常多二輪的芹菜可以申請嗎 |
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到什麼時候輪背的芹菜可以申請嗎到什麼時候就光你 你就搞不清楚了這麼雜亂分批次公告的訊息請問品項又這麼多各個鄉鎮的我講完就跟你講 |
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各個品項這麼多不同的鄉鎮時間都不同你要這些農民怎麼因應品項申請然後擺擺種讓我們的農民無所依據農民他整理田裡面的損失就已經來不及了 |
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所以部長我現在我不是要對你大聲我也沒必要對你大聲我是希望你要有同理心現在我們不是在爭對或錯或者是說你有沒有開全品項我現在是在告訴你說我們受損這麼嚴重你剛剛就講了你公告了93項的這個開放品項98項你看都快要破百了 |
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都快要破百了 那你為什麼要堅持說沒有辦法全品項呢你的堅持是什麼 你可以告訴本席說你農業部專業的評斷是專業在哪一個部分上說我們雲林縣沒有辦法開全品項好 我可以回答了齁我第一個跟委員報告 |
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就是因為有同理心,我才用主動公告的方式來處理,而不是由縣市政府去限幹,這第一點第二點就是說,你一直說那麼多品項我記不起來那麼多品項,我的確是沒辦法每一個縣市哪一個區域開哪一個品項,我的確沒辦法百分之百了解但是我的相關的同仁會了解你沒辦法,他們也沒辦法 |
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相對的縣市政府我們透過公告這個天然災害不是今年才第一次發生過去很多發生了而且你也知道天然災害的樣態是不一樣的我不可能在第一時間全部公告所以我才告訴你說你要有一個大範圍的規範就好像你當初你說農業這個產值千分之五 |
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那大家都可以算嘛你說十級陣風以上這個就是統一的嘛你可不可以有一個統一的標準你如果有一個統一的標準我想喔大家都心服口服你知道嗎你現在告訴我說這些統一的標準你都取消了你要開始用專家會議取代那你也要告訴我說你專家會議的依據是什麼我現在只是想要為我們雲林縣的農民來請命啦就是說希望未來颱風來襲你有一個 |
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統一的標準統一的標準你不要讓人家有欠縫插針的機會說你颱風來了你還分顏色或者是大小吧因為受苦的這些基層最努力的農民他不能夠理解啊那最後我想要講一下就是這個水稻保險其實水稻保險大家都努力了好多年那其實呢 |
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很多農民他現在就在講啊雖然這一次這一次我必須要講你們主動啟動災害股的這個收災害股我覺得是值得讚許的包括說青園補助5.5萬等等這些都是積極主動的作為我覺得是正向的正面的但我也必須要講 |
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你應該還是要啟動要不你就現金救助要不你就是水稻保險就好像去年花東的二期做應該讓他們能夠有二則一的機會啊 |
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我跟委員報告因為在那個當下其實雲林已經收穫了將近90%所以剩下10%所以我沒有辦法同時開放所以我用災害股去處理那後續的保險還是會平割如果說他達到災損的情況之下他還是可以得到理賠的 |
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所以現在的意思就是說假設他已經交了災害股假設他已經交了災害股但是他算起來還是損失20%以下他還是可以得到他的保險對 就是跟我們農業保險的部分如果說我們最後的產量區域產量如果低於20%的時候那什麼時候會算出說他的區域產量是少於20%要全部收割完以後的一個月之內我們就會公告那所以假設目前已經全部收割完了 |
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現在還有大概7成沒有7%左右沒有收7%左右這其實也快收完了差不多在10天以內應該就收完了吧收完以後我們就會統計我跟委員報告齁災害股是一件事情是我們的救助但是農業保險還是它的本如果農業保險本身如果達到理賠標準我們照樣理賠不會因為你有收穫股就可以所以那這個區域怎麼公告呢什麼時候你說一個月後嗎我剛才說就是 |
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該地區 全部沒有 全部收完以後的一個月之內我們就會公告好 我希望可以競訴應該是要競訴因為過去他們都覺得說好像是要收割二三個月之後才能夠得到理賠好不好一個月競訴的來公告那最後呢我想我也不要站委員會太多時間因為已經超出時間了那最後我還是要講就是有關於第二預備金的事情假設 |
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部長現在已經覺得未來有可能動用你一定要儘速開始準備因為立法院包括我們經濟委員會絕對會支持也絕對不會擋你使用第二預備金所以呢我希望說為了農民為了災民我們都不要意氣用事然後要趕快解決問題那所以如果你認為可能會不夠你要趕快儘速送來趕快來審議千萬不要影響到未來的救災這樣好不好 |
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我想所有的天然災害就是我們第一優先的那不管經費怎麼樣我們也會來努力同樣的就是說我是用專業的角度去承受事實你的專業 我跟你說你的專業必須要變成一個標準可以嗎你可以把你全品項免限刊的標準把它訂定出來 |
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讓大家不要以後在這個台上在爭議這種浪費時間的事情好嗎可以嗎我相信你的專業我相信你的專業好不好你把它來死黑字寫下來未來我們就照著這個標準下去爭取好不好好辛苦了謝謝好謝謝 |