| IVOD_ID |
16322 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16322 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-36,22-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第2次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
22 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第2次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-28T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-28T14:34:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:03:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8d241381c4f8c7fc0909407a1db8a667ad9f551ce5fa921fb104c5adbfed68f746353eccf4bae60b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第2次聯席會議（事由：一、繼續併案審查行政院函請審議「運動部組織法草案」案等29案。
【其中第（二十三）至（二十九）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
二、
（一）繼續併案審查行政院函請審議「運動部全民運動署組織法草案」案等17案。
（二）審查委員萬美玲等16人擬具「運動發展部運動產業發展局組織法草案」案。
【其中第（一）案中第14至17案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
三、繼續併案審查行政院函請審議「國家運動產業發展中心設置條例草案」案等11案。
【其中第（十一）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
四、繼續併案審查行政院函請審議「國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案」案等13案。
【其中第（十二）及（十三）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
五、繼續併案審查行政院函請審議「國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草案」案等13案。
【其中第（十一）至（十三）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
六、繼續併案審查行政院函請審議「教育部組織法第二條、第五條及第九條條文修正草案」案等19案。
【其中第（十七）至（十九）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:15 - 14:34:00 |
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報告聯席會初席委員13人以足法定人數請主席宣布開會。好,現在開會首先介紹道場委員及應邀列席的官員。先宣讀議事錄。 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議一事錄,實驗中華民國113年11月13日星期三上午9時至下午1時43分,地點本院紅樓302會議室,出席委員紅委員孟凱等24人,列席委員賴委員世保等10人,列席官員教育部部長鄭英耀等人,主席中召集委員嘉賓, |
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1844.311 |
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1867.858 |
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討論事項（一（併案審查運動部組織法草案等10案。二（併案審查運動部全民運動署組織法草案等4案。三（併案審查國家運動產業發展中心設置條例草案等3案。四（併案審查國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案等3案。五（併案審查國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草案等3案。六（併案審查教育部組織法第二條、第五條及第九條條文修正草案等6案。 |
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本次會有委員侯孟楷等26人提出質詢,委員憲龍介提出書面質詢。決議一報告及詢答完畢。二、第一案至第六案均另抵繼續審查。提案條文均已宣讀完畢。三、委員質詢時要求提供相關資料或以書面答覆則請相關機關警訴、送交個別委員及本聯席會。宣讀完畢。好,那上次議事錄我們稍後確認。 |
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現在呢接下來我們先介紹道場委員及應邀列席官員先介紹在場委員我們歡迎林倩琦委員歡迎您以及提案委員林楚英委員歡迎您接著介紹應邀列席官員我們好像還在受訪部長在受訪我們先介紹 |
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1922.421 |
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1946.226 |
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好,來,我們請官員入座。好,我們介紹教育部鄭英耀部長,歡迎您。政務次長張亮萬堅次長。我們體育署鄭世忠署長。 |
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1951.226 |
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1957.682 |
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恭喜您還有行政院人事行政總處常務副人事長懷旭副人事長歡迎您 |
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1959.005 |
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1973.912 |
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好,那麼其餘未及介紹的列席代表請參院名單不再逐一介紹並列入公報記錄。那麼本次議程討論事項排定6案分別為繼續併案審查、運動部組織法草案、運動部全民運動署組織法草案、國家運動產業發展中心設置條例草案、 |
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1982.336 |
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2009.941 |
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國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草案以及教育部組織法第二條、第五條及第九條條文修正草案等案那麼議程所列議案前於11月13日第一次聯席會議審查報告及尋答完畢決議均令定期繼續審查源於今日繼續審查 |
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2012.995 |
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2026.306 |
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好,那OK,那麼目前的在場委員,我們已答齁。我們由於議事錄之前宣讀完畢,三位確定,現在先確定議事錄。請問各位,上次會議事錄有錯誤或遺漏?那個,雅琳,有沒有問題?議事錄沒有,沒有,好,沒有我們的議事錄確定。 |
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2034.639 |
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2057.89 |
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那麼現在呢,我們先進行提案說明。針對本次會議新併錄之提案,請提案委員進行說明。每位發言時間3分鐘。那目前我們依到場順序,先邀請,依提案的排列順序,我說送案的順序啦,先邀請張委員,不是,先邀請林楚英委員進行提案說明。 |
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對,到場順序,到場順序請。可以到前面嗎?可以坐,可以到前面嗎?好,坐好,謝謝。可以可以可以,比較顯著。 |
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謝謝主席還有各位同仁以及列席的官員大家早安感謝主席排定這樣的審查而且可以把我們的提案都可以一併納入討論我想上個星期算是全台灣的民眾都感受到了這一次我們在 |
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2111.118 |
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﹏﹏ |
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2111.118 |
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﹏﹏ |
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2127.125 |
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2145.502 |
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他就跟其他的相關產業一樣都必須從長時間的陪助絕對不是一蹴可擊的那麼在這樣的過程當中即使運動員被扶植出來之後幕後有許多重要的團隊包括勤搜包括教練團包括訓練員甚至於醫療飲食都是要完全配套的 |
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2152.087 |
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2173.641 |
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讓體育署能夠完全的成為一個獨立的體育部對於整體的運動發展當然就佔有非常重要的部分是除了政策擬定之外政策的擬定更需要的是要後面有經費的支持所以這一次能夠透過我們運動部的組織法的提案修正能夠讓 |
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2175.382 |
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2176.623 |
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（一、繼續併案審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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2193.001 |
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我希望也透過這一次的修法全面的來支持釋放他們的潛能在全球新興運動產業發展的初期台灣就能拔得頭籌搶得機先再次回到這一次的十二強世界棒球賽我們奪冠的過程 |
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其實棒球過去一直以來是我們的國球我們也花了非常強大的時間跟心力在做培植以及他們的脫胎換骨同樣的本席也希望透過這一次運動部的組織法的修正許多的新興運動正在崛起當中也透過這一次能夠有獨立的機關獨立的預算背後能夠給這些運動員更多的扶植而運動員就像我們看到的 |
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2265.711 |
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過去光彩奪目站在前排的運動員在他們退役之後能夠成為強大的教練團而這個部分也唯有透過一個獨立的機關才能夠讓整個運動不只是單一我們看到現在的明星如果沒有團隊就沒有明星我相信這是一個最好的時機謝謝 |
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2268.864 |
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2284.808 |
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謝謝林儲英委員,我們今天新增了很多新加入的提案委員,大家一起來為聽台灣,台灣No.1,來聽我們的台灣英雄用運動部的推動來促成。那接下來我們請提案委員張委員雅琳進行提案說明。OK |
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謝謝主席。我想這次的十二強我們打進了冠軍賽,而且我們拿到了世界冠軍。我想是全國人民都非常開心的一件事情,而且甚至有非常多的老球迷們。像是我自己願意明年賽事開打之後我要重回球場去看我要支持的球隊。 |
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2338.141 |
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我覺得這是一個非常重要的契機因為我要必須再次強調一次並不是每一個現在在練習在體育班上在這體育班鍛煉的選手都有機會站上這個舞台很多時候我們體育班的孩子可能只能成就一個到兩個很多的人他們都說他們自己只是個陪練員 |
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2354.609 |
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甚至很多人之所以陪練是因為他過度訓練或是他被霸凌或是他遭受了很多不公平或是甚至是性侵等等非常悲慘的遭遇導致他真正斷送了他自己的選手的生命。 |
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所以我希望我們應該要積極的來去調整我們現在的一個投資不僅是人才的投資之外我們相關的運動科學訓練在這一次的十二強從勤收到後勤 |
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2396.758 |
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都提供了我們所有的棒球選手最好的資源而這些資源應該要回到基層去去照顧我們每一個目前已經在體育班的孩子同時我們也要建立相關的一個監督機制在協會端、在體育班內、在學校內怎樣的去協助我們每一個孩子當他追求他的運動夢的時候他可以真正的去實現讓我們這次在十二強拿得冠軍這件事情 |
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這是一個彈劃一線的事實而是它可以世世代代一直持續的發展下去那同時我們也必須去面對一個更殘酷的事實是少子化其實雖然我們現在非常開心 |
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但是我們的棒球選手其實是非常少的是越來越少的那其中還有一個問題是我們的棒球選手小選手們我曾經有一個選手他告訴我他大概是五年級他告訴我說其實我真的非常喜歡棒球可是我只要去公園玩那個投接球練習的時候他就會被驅趕他就會被人家指責說公園裡面不能夠玩投接球所以我們現在這些場地的建置也是非常重要的 |
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2467.83 |
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以及我們相關的新興場地的運動目前也都還有這個運動場地不足的問題所以當我們這次有了這個運動部之後我希望就是針對這幾個面向可以來去強化讓我們所有的孩子們不管是孩子們或是我們講的適應運動的運動員們甚至我們的長輩們全齡的使用者都可以找到他可以發展的機會但最後一件事情就是說我們現在的 |
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謝謝。 |
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主席、各位同仁 |
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2544.989 |
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我想剛才幾位委員在提案說明中大家開宗明義都先提到這一次在這個世界十二強的棒球賽臺灣能夠拿下創下歷史的這個新業然後拿下這個冠軍這個在這個過程中我們除了看到我們這個臺灣年輕選手的這些優異表現之外也讓國人更加體會這個體育 |
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2564.955 |
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運動這些經濟賽事除了運動員本身他其他他所必須整合的諸多的相關其他跨領域的資源這樣子的必須要整合這些包括運動科技包括這些勤收包括相關的後勤作業 |
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2567.151 |
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主席 |
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2586.547 |
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2611.761 |
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能夠讓大家更加體會我們現在將我們的政府現在計畫將這個運動部獨立成部這個的重要性跟現在這個在這個時機上面我認為這個希望說能夠獲得草野各政黨大家一致的支持在這個全國的這個這個凝聚這樣子全部果仁的共識 |
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2636.691 |
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為了推動落實我剛剛所講的這些運動發展政策藉由專責還有這個專業能量的機關整體來規劃整合這個相關的運動相關資源而且透過提倡全民運動來增加這個一方面增進國民的健康一方面厚植這個這個國內各運動項目的基底 |
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2653.288 |
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我認為這個以及未來強化這個選手培育以及保障促進這個經濟專業的發展推動這個產業促進幸福經濟等等相關的這些工作都希望說今天能夠在我們的這個這個運動部 |
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2676.059 |
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運動部的這個組織法裡面的審查希望能夠順利以符合這個國人的期待另外為了配合行政院政策運動部再來將原本一部分由教育部體育署所辦理的這些運動的教育、全民運動、競技運動、運動產業、國際兩岸運動還有運動設施政策規劃 |
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2682.725 |
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好,謝謝沈委員接下來請提案人沈委員培育進行提案說明 |
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2712.031 |
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身心障礙運動 |
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2752.325 |
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過去一般的國人對於身心障礙的運動都侷限在帕拉運動那確實我們台灣在這數十年當中也有非常多相對多的資源是挹注在這個部分的但是如果我們不要只有把身心障礙運動放在所謂競技層面而是所有身心障礙者 |
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2764.476 |
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從0歲到99歲他們都必須要有運動的需求而國家在運動部升格之後必須要照顧到他們的運動需求因此呢我們調整院版的帕拉運動文字為身心障礙運動那在過去的會期當中我們其實也積極召開適應體育的座談會有非常多專家學者告訴我們 |
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2790.756 |
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不能只有帕拉運動去想像某一種競技的樣態而是必須照顧到全民的需求因為每一個人在一輩子當中都很有可能成為身心障礙者的候選人這件事情是在非常多座談會上有很多老師再度再度提醒我們的第二個我們在 |
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2791.957 |
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《運動博物館》 |
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2817.637 |
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非常難對台灣人所知道那他可能只有公部門的預算去處理的這部分的業務但實質上我們如何透過運動文物的保存讓全台灣的人對於運動是自己生活的一部分這件事情可以建立某種認知因此我們明文把運動博物館納入運動部的業務我們不希望跟現行的運動文化記憶保存的方法又再次的重疊 |
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那在周思齊引退的時候其實他也提到類似的事情那接下來我們提到全國性運動團體我們也認為要進一步釐清目前在講到所有資源或是競賽分配的時候大家都著重在特定體育團體但我們認為未來走入成全民運動俱樂部的概念我們更應該把這個運動團體的定義釐清那接下來呢我們談到一個很重要的事情 |
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目前體育署很重要的業務在於競技運動的部分那我們當然認為競技運動是重要的可是我們更希望運動走向現代化、文明化、形塑全民運動文化這件事情所以我們把競技運動全民化調整為運動發展現代化、形塑全民運動文化這件事情我認為是相對重要接下來談到體育班的歸屬還有適應體育的分工 |
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未來教育部跟運動部要如何分工學齡階段或者是學齡後還有學齡前我認為體育班跟適應體育的問題是在這一次修法的時候我們大家要共同面對可能要花很多時間討論但是卻是一個不得不去談的很重要的議題以上謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝我們接下來請提案人王委員正去進行提案說明 |
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主席、各位委員、大家早。我們知道這一次的運動比賽像棒球得到全國甚至全世界的矚目讓台灣真的是被看到 |
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我本身是一個臨床醫師所以對於運動如何能夠變成健康的一部分非常非常的重視他有建立聯合國教育科學與文化組織在2015年的11月18日在第38屆的大會修正通過相關的憲章裡面就開宗明義告訴我們說體育身體活動及競技運動的實踐是人類的基本權利所以 |
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人人都應該享有運動的機會與權利當然也希望透過運動來促進健康這是全國國民該有的享受的權利所以我們希望促進全民的運動落實台灣健康 |
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議員議員議員 |
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繼由體育運動壯大臺灣的願景。那這些內容相信透過我們這個運動部的成立就能夠有達到這個願景的機會。以上。 |
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我想這幾天相信許多國人都跟我一樣對於能夠在國際賽事當中拿下冠軍內心都感到非常興奮並且也為選手們的表現感動這同時也激勵我們大家是不是應該重新去檢視國內的運動環境跟政策資源的問題 |
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那除了我們的競技型的運動的推廣協助體育選手獲得國際賽事的佳績外回到一般民眾在日常運動習慣的養成則涉及到我們如何推廣全民運動培養興趣我們的生根運動文化甚至是在我最關心的兒少方面運動文化的扎根推廣也包含了如何提供兒少適當的休閒場域跟空間這些都是我未來期待我們的 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員提到冰島模式． |
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他們針對於親子互動不佳、青少年沒有適當的休閒場域導致的高酗酒跟吸毒的毒品問題然後反而是提供很多的休閒或的運動場域讓他們的犯罪問題下降了50%所以過去我也鼓勵說我們是不是應該新設增設新的運動的休閒空間像游泳池 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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此外,在臨近的日本,我們也可以看到隨著社經地位結構的改變,他們也因為學校的場域的社團的運作比較困難之後,他們為了持續維持我們的運動文化推廣、紮根與運動習慣的養成,所以把學校的社團的活動逐步的移植到社區的改革方案。 |
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所以未來我們也期待參考冰島或日本的這樣的一個方式。未來我覺得部會能夠特別去重視社區俱樂部的推動,因為社區就是全民運動發展的核心,也希望透過社團或者俱樂部的形成由下而上讓我們的競技運動全民化,從兒少到成年甚至引髮族社區運動的蓬勃發展,也能夠回頭帶動周邊的裁判運動產業的人才的養成。謝謝大家。 |
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好,在場提案委員均以說明。那麼在進行討論前,先針對本次會議所列議案中,尚未宣讀之提案條文進行宣讀。宣讀時間預計15分鐘。如有修正動議議請一併宣讀。宣讀後呢,我們就開始。好,請宣讀。 |
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討論事項第一案運動部組織法草案對照行政院提案委員鄭天才等提案除第八條第九條外名稱及其余條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表委員吳思瑤等提案除第一條第二條外名稱及其余條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表 |
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委員陳冠廷等提案除第一條、第二條外,名稱及其餘條文均同,行政院提案,修正部分,詳條文對照表。委員張雅玲等提案除第二條、第十條外,名稱及其餘條文均同,行政院提案,修正部分,詳條文對照表。委員陳秀寶等提案除第一條、第二條、第五條、第七條外,名稱及其餘條文均同,行政院提案,修正部分,詳條文對照表。委員陳廷飛等提案除第一條外,名稱及其餘條文均同,行政院提案,修正部分,詳條文對照表。 |
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委員郭玉琴等提案,名稱及條文均同行政院提案。委員萬美玲等提案,除名稱第一條、第二條、第五條、第八條外,其餘條文均同行政院提案,修正部分詳條文對照表。委員沈發慧等提案,除第五條外,名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案,修正部分詳條文對照表。委員劉建國等提案,名稱及條文均同行政院提案。 |
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委員李昆成等提案明稱及條文均同行政院提案委員陳培宇等提案除第一條、第二條、第五條外明稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表委員葉元之等提案除明稱第一條、第二條、第七條、第八條外第三條至第六條均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表委員林楚英等提案除第二條外明稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表 |
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為盧明澤等提案,除名稱．第一條．第二條．第五條外．其餘條文均同行政院提案,修正部分想條文對照表。為林月琴等提案,除第二條．第十條外．名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案,修正部分想條文對照表。 |
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委員徐宇珍等提案除名稱第一條、第五條、第八條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員葛如君等提案除名稱第一條、第二條、第五條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員王振旭等提案除第一條、第二條、第五條外名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。 |
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第二案之一,運動部全民運動署組織法草案對照行政院提案委員政天才等提案除第五條外,名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分享條文對照表。 |
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委員吳思瑤等提案除第二條外,名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員張雅玲等提案除第二條及第六條外,名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員陳秀寶等提案除第一條、第二條外,名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員范雲等提案名稱及第一條至第四條均同行政院提案第五條由行政院提案第六條條文第一。 |
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委員外美林等提案,除名稱．條第2條外,其餘條文均同行政院提案,修正部分,詳條文對照表。委員審法會等提案,除第2條外,名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案,修正部分,詳條文對照表。委員李昆城等提案,名稱及條文均同行政院提案。委員陳培宇等提案,除第2條、第3條外,名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案,修正部分,詳條文對照表。 |
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委員魯明澤等提案除名稱．一條．二條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員林月琴等提案除第2條．6條外名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員徐宇貞等提案除名稱及第1條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員王振旭等提案除第1條．2條外名稱及其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。 |
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第二案之二運動發展部運動產業發展局組織法委員萬美玲等提案名稱運動發展部運動產業發展局組織法 |
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第一條,運動發展部會辦理運動產業之正向發展,營造運動產業良好之經營環境,積極提升競爭力與國際接軌,並為國人建構優質運動休閒環境,特設運動發展部運動產業發展局,以下簡稱本局。 |
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第二條本局掌理下列事項一、運動相關產業之政策執行及法規研擬二、運動產業之調查、統計及研究發展三、運動或其他相關產業跨領域創新之培植管理、輔導、獎勵四、運動相關產業之人才培育與媒合及國際交流 |
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五、運動財券運動發展基金之執行督導及講注。六、職業或業與運動之聯繫及協調事項。七、公有私有運動場域與學校場地開放及社區運動俱樂部設置之輔導。八、運動相關產業國際交流與合作之推動及執行。九、其他有關運動相關產業發展業務事項。 |
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第三條本局至局長一人職務列檢任第十三職等。副局長二人職務列檢任第十二職等。第四條本局至主任秘書職務列檢任第十一職等。第五條本局各職稱之官等職等及員額另以編制表定之。第六條本法實行日期由行政院定之。第三案國家 |
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運動產業發展中心設置條例草案對照行政院提案委員鄭天才等提案除第19條外,明稱張明及其餘條文均統行政院提案修正部分想條文對照表。 |
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委員陳秀寶等提案除第3條、第5條、第19條、第23條、第28條外。民稱張明及其餘條文均統行政院提案修正部分想條文對照表。委員郭育晴等提案除第9條、第12條、第16條及第19條外。民稱張明及其餘條文均統行政院提案修正部分想條文對照表。委員范雲等提案除第10條、第18條外。民稱張明及其餘條文均統行政院提案修正部分想條文對照表。委員羅廷偉等提案 |
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除第二條、第二十五條外,名稱、章名及其餘條文均統行政院提案,修正部分、詳條文對照表。為審法會等提案除第六條、第七條外,名稱、章名及其餘條文均統行政院提案,修正部分、詳條文對照表。為陳培宇等提案除名稱、第一條、第三條、第六條、第二十三條外,章名及其餘條文均統行政院提案,修正部分、詳條文對照表。為王振旭等提案名稱、章名及其條文均統行政院提案, |
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第四案國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案對照行政院提案委員鄭天才等提案除第六條、第十九條及第二十二條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分向條文對照表委員范雲等提案除第八條同線型條文未修正外其餘條文均同行政院提案委員陳秀寶等提案 |
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除第3條、第5條、第9條、第14條、第18條、第19條之一、第20條至第22條、第26條、第29條、第32條、第33條以外令第2條、第4條、第6條至第8條、第10條、第15條均同行政院提案修正部分相條文對照表文、國、疫情等提案 |
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除第六條（至第八條（第十六條（第十九條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表委員羅廷偉等提案除第二條（第六條（第七條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表委員沈芳惠等提案條文均同行政院提案委員李坤澄等提案第二條同行政院提案 |
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委員陳培宇等提案除第一條、第三條、第六條、第二十三條、第二十七條外其一條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員王振旭等提案除第九條、第十一條、第十八條、第二十二條、第二十三條外其一條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。委員萬美玲等提案除第二條、第三條、第八條外其一條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。 |
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第五案國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草案對照行政院提案文鄭天才等提案條文均同行政院提案文范雲等提案第二條、第三條、第六條、第七條、第十八條、第十九條、第十九條之一、第二十一條均同行政院提案文陳秀寶等提案 |
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除第五條、第二十七條、第三十三條外其余條文均統行政院提案修正部分、詳條文對照表、維國疫情等提案 |
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除第十九條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。聞羅廷偉等提案除第二條第三條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。聞省發會等提案第二條第三條第八條第十八條第十九條第十九條之一第二十一條均同行政院提案。聞陳培宇等提案除第六條第二十二條外其餘條文均同行政院提案修正部分詳條文對照表。 |
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委員葛如、君等提案除第二條外,第三條、第六條、第七條、第十八條、第十九條、第十九條之一、第二十一條均同行政院提案。修正部分詳條文對照表。委員王振旭等提案條文均同行政院提案。委員萬美玲等提案除第二條、第三條外,第六條、第七條、第十八條、第十九條、第十九條之一、第二十一條均同行政院提案。修正部分詳條文對照表。 |
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第六案教育部組織法第二條、第五條及第九條條文修正草案對照行政院提案委員鄭天才等、委員陳冠廷等、委員范雲等提案第二條、第五條及第九條均同行政院提案委員張雅琳等提案第二條、第五條同行政院提案第九條條文修正部分詳條文對照表 |
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委員陳秀寶等、委員郭玉琴等、委員萬美玲等、委員沈芳慧等、委員李坤誠等提案第二條、第五條、第九條均同行政院提案。委員陳培宇等提案除第二條外第五條及第九條均同行政院提案修正部分相條文對照表。委員盧明澤等提案第二條、第五條均同行政院提案。委員葛如軍等及委員王振旭等提案第二條、第五條、第九條條文均同行政院提案。宣讀完畢。 |
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好。繼續修正動議部分,討論事項第一案修正動議一,對照行政院提案條文第二條,第一項第二款中規劃後增列、獎勵、多好等字其一未修正。提案人委員徐曉新、羅志強、何孟凱、林思明、謝龍介。 |
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修正動議二（對照行政院提案條文第二條（第一項增訂第十款為十（保障運動產業勞動條件（促進勞資和諧（原第十款第一為第十一款（其一未修正。提案人委員林怡瑾（張雅琳（陳培瑜（ |
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修正動議三（對照台灣民眾黨團提案條文（第二條修正部分想修正動議書面文字（第五條修正同行政院提案文字（提案人委員黃國昌、林倩琦、吳春成（ |
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修正動議四,對照行政院提案條文第9條,增定第二項為,請下委員檢任兼任委任各官等人員,具原住民身分者均不得低於15%,本法鎖定禁用原住民比例,現有緣而未達比例者,似非原住民公務人員出缺後再行禁用補足。提案委員林倩琦、徐巧欣、吳春晨、曹孟凱,宣讀完畢。 |
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條文及所修正動議均已宣讀完畢現在依議程所列討論事項順序進行那我們討論事項第一案繼續併案審查現在行政院函請審議運動部組織法草案等29案現在進行討論好沒問題那我們就跟在場委員徵詢因為剛剛 |
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已經進行了新增議案的提案說明那提案委員針對相異相同之處呢都已經分別做過了說明了那是否我們的大體討論現在呢就可以直接進入逐條討論OK嗎好那我們就進直接進行逐條討論那逐條討論呢來那我們就開始啦 |
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好 那麼主條討論我們進行主條討論那麼因為這是本案是制定案那依序處理是名稱及十一條調適的順序那我們首先進行名稱那名稱既有運動部組織法、運動發展部組織法、體育及運動發展部組織法有這三個名稱 |
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多數委員是用運動部組織法那請請教在場委員是否我們第一條名稱的部分我們採用運動部組織法是我同意同意同意好謝謝我們名稱就定為運動部組織法那麼接下來第一條的部分呢既有行政院提案那及各委員提案內容第一條那第一條有 |
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第一條是否我們照行政院提案通過? |
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來請那曾委員、佩玉。謝謝主席。那我們的版本裡面加了良善治理的部分,那不過因為還沒有跟教育部溝通到這邊,那我們要講一下,因為如果教育部這邊有意見,我們也想要聽一下教育部這邊對於良善治理,我們的四個字加入有什麼不同的想法這樣。但是我們還蠻堅持的,其實包含體育團體,或者是很多 |
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吳佩儀委員請發言。 |
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第一條我是非常肯定我們把現在院版的是有把運動外交放入宗旨我們透過運動讓世界看到臺灣我覺得運動員就是我們最好的外交官那我的版本裡面我另外還有強調人才所以我有把保障選手與運動人才寫入法因為我認為選手的發展也是非常之重要的像我們的委任所大使劉伯鈞他有推動SAFE SPORT |
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﹏﹏ |
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好 謝謝接下來請王委員正式發言好 謝謝主席有關於第一條我們覺得還希望幫在這個提案說明所提到的運動跟健康是一定要連結在一起所以希望在第一條裡面就將健康也能夠納進來當然這個過程裡面需要推廣也需要研究所以本期我們幫是希望把第一條做成為行政院會辦理全國運動業務 |
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促進全民運動與健康透過發展運動之推廣教育、競技、產業、研究與外交等等來特設運動部。以上。 |
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好,謝謝關於第一條有意見的委員怡君發言。那我們現在就是請教育部針對剛剛陳委員、吳委員跟王委員針對第一條運動部組織它的首先它的設立之目的是不是要加入健康、良善管治理等等。那麼是請教育部是不是來次長來做說明嗎?來書長請。 |
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針對以上委員提到的那良善治理的部分我們當初這一條我們主要講的是整個運動部成立它的價值不過良善治理這部分我們予以尊重那健康的部分即使我們當時曾經有提過需要用健康這個字眼不過在因為這跟 |
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負責人事長 |
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有關於這一個部分喔可能是不是因為當初在討論的時候那個應該是衛福部他們是擔心說會不會涉及到他們的那個權責的問題那現在衛福部有代表是不是可不可以請衛福部來說明一下謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們人事總處的說明那剛剛我們在名稱的部分請大家看到57頁我們還是確認一次57頁那我們就確定定名為運動部組織法再次確認那 那麼就行政院提案通過那第一條的部分有分別委員提出要加上良善治理或者加上健康但針對健康的部分的人事總處也說明了那請教在場委員 |
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外交人才部分因為我們會在已經有在國際運動室以及我們運動產業這三個中心底下都有他的 |
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我請看一下文字我的文字不是外交人才保障選手與運動人才抱歉抱歉保障選手吳佩奕委員的案子在第幾頁還在69頁69頁 |
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對阿,是第一條,在六十月。是六十月還是六十月?抱歉抱歉,是六十月。那個在六十月。六十月的第二欄。第二列齁。非動運動外交。 |
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來,那吳委員,您這是看到了在61頁的部分,60到61頁。這部分就是在我們的原本的文字裡面的禁忌這一部分已經包含全部了啦,其實它精神上已經包含在裡面了,是不是可以維持原版? |
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就是你們認為是行政院為辦理全國運動業務促進全民運動發展運動之教育競技你認為是包含在競技當中已經包含了運動外交的成分是這個意思嗎那 |
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務委員 |
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好,謝謝吳委員。那關於那個王委員的部分已經回應了。王委員,那個良善治理的部分,我們剛剛討論過說他其實在多元平權的部分在文字上其實都已經把那個精神包含在裡面了。我們是不是可以維持願辦?那健康的部分我們是不是可以在那個這個立案的說明裡面去 |
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議員報告說明一下。 |
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是因為我們知道我們的衛生部下面有國民健康署他的英文是Health Promotion他不只是一般的健康他是以健康促進為原則那我們也知道健康促進基本上會包括各種不同的層面 |
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有lifestyle就是有些生活習慣形態的一些養成還有包括運動包括營養等等所以跟我們這邊講的運動其實還是即使是看起來好像是兩個字健康事實上他的做法他的這些內容是不太一樣的所以如果不方便放在條文的話我放在同意是放在這個說明裡面立法說明裡面或是用負擔決議來處理也可以謝謝 |
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好,那請問站員委員對第一條還有沒有其他意見?來,我們那個校白委員。 |
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謝謝主席現在是講第一條的部分那其實我這邊我的提案我是強調希望說因為我們強調是打造多元運動的環境以及落實運動平權既然承認運動部的主要目標是要提倡全民運動增進國民健康那我會希望說能夠把打造多元運動環境這個部分明定在條文裡面那在這邊我順便我要問一下那個體育署 |
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關於動資券明年點列一億是因為說你們說是因為領取率跟使用率不高那體育署這邊提供給本學的數據說112年動資券可領人數是155萬10領人數是81萬 |
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到底用能是五十萬那表示說動資券真正被利用的這個數量只有大概百分之三十五那如果說是因為領取率跟使用率的問題應該你們是要努力的去推廣及檢討怎麼會是直接簡列那簡列之後你們這樣子比較容易達標嗎那我們運動部成立之後的一個大的任務就是推動全民運動那日後這個動資券的發放也是促進全民運動的一個參與運動的一個手段喔運動部這邊也應該要積極的來推動來辦理相關這個政策 |
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所以這邊我希望說你們也要表達一下你們對於說日後推廣這個全民運動包括這個動資券你們的這個領取率跟使用率如何提高這個部分我想請你們說明一下另外在這邊我還要再問一下齁昨天的新聞有指出說林玉婷在參加世界總盃參賽的資格又被質疑那最後教練是決定棄賽來表達抗議 |
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那之後這樣在國際賽事如果有發生這樣的爭議運動部我們要如何保障我們選手的權益我們有沒有一個專責的單位來負責協助我國選手在國際賽事上可能面臨這些問題以上好謝謝陳秀寶委員那麼因為我們今天運動部組織法的審議大家也會關心能夠我們的中指能不能回應社會上的期待跟一些正在發生的事情是不是請體育署就這個部分先回應陳秀寶委員的詢問 |
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保護員,那個在整個推廣運動文化並打造多元運動環境落實運動平權的部分,其實我們在條文裡面主要是以形塑運動文化這部分來涵蓋。那設施的部分我們在我們的初規程裡面,我們其實也會有一個運動設施式的部分來主責。是這部分我們是容許我們維持願板。那青春政治圈以及林雨琴的事件我們會持續的來檢討進進。謝謝。 |
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好,謝謝。那王委員第三次發言請。好,謝謝主席。第三次發言就是有關於條文的部分,剛剛除了提到健康以外,還有包括推廣還有研究。那不知道目前有沒有其他的意見。如果說不方便放在條文的話,那是不是用立法說明來直接處理?包委員我們是不是可以用附帶決議的方式來執行?謝謝委員。 |
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那我先彙整我們第一條現在在場委員的意見。那是不是因為今天在場委員分別就第一條的中止部分有吳委員關心的運動外交,有陳秀寶委員關心的多元運動環境、落實運動平權。 |
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有我們王振旭委員關心的．包括健康以及推廣．和研究以及外交的部分．也有陳佩玉委員關心的．良善治癒的部分．那麼事後委員同意這些內涵．請教育部．現在體育署先將這些內容．轉為附帶決議的方式．我們在最後確認條文的同時．我們再來做進行． |
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確認好不好那再讓委員說我同意我們第一條依行政院版通過然後諸位委員的意見我們以互帶決的方式來陪議委員主席我同意那我是不是可以請提議署都會說明的時候因為這個條文太多版本又太多是不是可以講因為他有時候會說我有寫在哪裡你們能不能明確指出說寫在第幾條就這樣比較清楚一點 |
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那待會我們機關在說明的時候教育部在說明的時候呢請就委員的版本因為今天有二十幾個案子所以我們的條文對照表可能要找一會兒我會也幫忙來提示在第幾頁好那麼關於我們運動部的設置的目的及隸屬關係在草案條文第一條我們是否就依行政院版來照案通過 |
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主席抱歉我建議因為我們版本真的那麼多那其實各委員會當然有不同的一個進行做法但是你現在這樣講我們其實不確定說到底你到時候通過的文字是怎麼樣所以說是不是還是我們能夠打出來 |
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好不好,我們請那個會場的工作人員,剛剛我們通過的是第一條,那我們試著把它表達在我們的螢幕上,請大家看第58頁,在這之前我們為了把握寶貴的時間,謝謝洪委員的提醒,我主席這邊帶著大家看第58頁,第一案的第58頁。 |
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第一條,行政院為辦理全國運動業務、促進全民運動、發展運動之教育、競技、產業與外交、形塑運動文化並落實多元平權、社會包容及永續發展之價值,特赦運動部,以下簡稱本部。來,羅委員。我們這鄰居這麼久還叫我羅委員。 |
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主席不好意思,因為我在教文今天也是召委主席,所以今天因為沒有大體討論,我是不是能夠把我的案子稍微講一下。沒關係,我們現在您對於我們全案的意見先表達。對,我稍微講一下就好,好不好,謝謝。我想這次的提案其實跟行政院版有一個最大不同的地方,就是本席增設了運動產業發展局,那跟院版設立國家運動產業發展中心是有點不一樣的。 |
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我簡單說一個數據,我想這幾年來我們看到運動產業是蓬勃發展。財政部有一個數據,就是這五年來我們的運動服務盈利的加速持續增加。大概從107年的2280家上升到110年的3916家。 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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因為整個運動產業發展涉及政策的推動執行輔導跟補助並且其實和那個相關的職業或者是業餘運動聯盟間的協調還有公有私有運動場域跟學校場地的開放還有社區運動俱樂部設置的輔導等等都非常的重要那就舉例來說這一次我們棒球十二強其實在我們這次作為主管機關的體育署 |
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他可以運用這公權力來協助中華辦協跟中華職棒甚至於在勤收啦後勤啊很多的事項部分都可以來協助幫忙所以我想在這運動產業其實是相對的重要的那麼在這個另外還有一個就是說在十二強賽之後又再被拿出來討論的還有我們企業跟個人贊助運動產業的這個租稅減免還有運動發展基金運動財政的部分這些都涉及到主管機關他要運用高度的公權力的執行那才有辦法去落實 |
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所以我想這個是我們特別提出這個運動產業發展局的一個重要那當然原本是規劃要用行政法人來執行這些前述相關的業務不過依據這個行政法人法第二條規定行政法人設立是所設公權力行使程度較低者那恐怕涉及高度公權力的業務會難以執行了所以 |
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更嚴重的可能就是我們在這個將來立法院是沒有辦法直接去這個監督的所以我想在我的修法上面跟審訊院版本最不一樣的地方就是增設了這個運動產業發展局那以上做一個說明希望大家來這個共同支持 |
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好,非常感謝萬美女委員很辛苦教委員的召委主席今天特別來跟委員會報告一下聯繫委員會說明一下目前關於所謂的次級機關的部分既有紅委員孟凱提出的運動產業局楊委員瓊英提出的運動產業局台灣民眾黨黨團提案的運動產業發展局以及委員徐富奎提的運動產業發展署和葛如軍委員所提的運動產業署以及目前我們剛剛 |
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灣美玲委員所提出的運動產業發展局然後因為目前的這些提案的委員條文版本當中那麼萬委員有罪於運動產業發展局提出他的組織法草案那麼這個在本案目前是第一案第一案我們處理的組織法組織法的第五條在97頁的部分我們是不是到那時候再來做處理是否同意那個萬委員可以嗎我們第五條的部分 |
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好,到第五條是不是不能處理嗎?萬委員?就是這個是在我們的第五條,現在處理第一條。對。可以嗎?好,我們第五條再來處理好不好?可以可以,好。謝謝謝謝,感謝。謝謝感謝,謝謝。好,那請問我們剛剛齁,這個請我們的議場工作人員努力的 |
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主席 |
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好,因為我們第二條有增加修正動議請宣讀。委員手上可以看到單頁的,這裡面有第二條的修正動議請宣讀。討論事項第一案修正動議五。對趙宏永凱委員等19人提案條文第二條。第二款。 |
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規劃後增列推動兩次。第四款,修正為競技運動發展與選手之培植輔導及生涯規劃。第八款,修正為職業運動之推動輔導及協調事項。第九款,修正為運動產業發展及運動 |
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產業人才之培植、輔導及發展建立運動博物館等文化、歷史保存紀念場館其餘未修建提案委員紅夢凱、吳春晨、羅廷偉宣讀完畢。 |
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好跟聯席委員會說明齁目前呢我們修正動議呢既有包括委員羅志強、徐小新等人以及委員林益臣等人、委員黃國昌等人以及委員林倩琴等人和剛剛宣讀的委員洪孟楷等人的第二條的修正動議那依照議事的規則我們修正動議先討論然後再回到本文來齁那請問這幾位委員是不是就你們的修正動議請做一個說明來請徐小新委員 |
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好那謝謝我對於這個院版的其實第二條沒有太多的意見那唯一就是在第二條的第二部分就是身心條件性別族群區域射精地位等各方面推動多元運動平權之規劃那這個部分呢因為我想其實他講的比較像是說如果你非運動競技發展選手的這個部分 |
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那是不是在比較民間的運動產業的部分也應該會提供獎勵?那我們在這個院版的法條裡面是沒有把獎勵給放進去的。所以我在這裡就具體的建議說在這個第二條第二款的部分我們可以就是把 |
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除了規劃推動輔導管理跟監督之外我們也把這個獎勵放進去那讓我們的民眾一般民眾他可能在做很多運動的時候呢他也能夠有這個獎勵那因為呢 |
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我看到後面也有提到獎勵的部分但是看起來他是針對這個競技運動發展跟選手的培育的部分而不是所謂的區域社會經濟面向多元運動平權的部分那我覺得這個部分呢獎勵也是相當重要的希望能夠歸納在文字裡面謝謝好謝謝謝謝我們許委員的意見請問有關於修正動議的部分提案委員有沒有其他的補充說明來請黃孟楷委員 |
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主席感謝我想第二條我們就是要針對本部的這個長禮的部分來做一個明確的範圍的一個擬定那其中行政部門的版本以及我們各委員的版本其實也都已經有把我們對於未來運動部的期待都給寫出來所以我想這是好事那獎勵的部分剛剛徐巧欣委員的修正動議本席也支持 |
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我也認為是說就應該是要明定在這個條文裡面也要把我們獎勵給放進來因為最主要其實我們剛剛通過的第一條行政院的版本它其實四大面向 |
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關於選手的培植、輔導跟生涯規劃可能會是更在競技運動發展跟競技發展規劃執行跟督導的部分我想更納入所謂的選手那選手不只是包括說有我們的這個 |
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另外第九（ |
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其實像這一次我們也提說運動部能夠來做成立這個是國人大家共同所關心也是我們體育界的大事那很多體育界的先進也過去到現在也都講我們中華隊來在國際上的一些發光發熱的一個比賽項目包括說從最開始我們得到奧運的獎牌或是1992年巴塞隆納奧運的時候的棒球的銀牌 |
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此外,我們地面金牌2004年雅典奧運以及2020年東京奧運、2024年我們的巴黎奧運都拿到非常不錯的一個成績那甚至在這一次的一個十二強以及我們過去的一些國際賽事、重大賽事裡面其實也都有非常多的一個成績那這些成績其實它背後有更多的是故事以及它背後有更多的是這個 |
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則不予審查二十三）至．二十九） |
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民眾、球迷也都期待說是不是這次十二強我們拿到的冠軍獎盃能夠放在棒球場裡面來做一個公開的展示那其實這樣子的方向我們絕對是樂於支持所以我們也期待是說未來能夠有一個運動博物場館的部分把所有我們 |
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﹏﹏﹏ |
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日本、韓國、美國等世界民主先進國家也都有類似的運動場館或是運動博物館或是運動紀念館的一個設置所以我們呼籲應該要把這一個一起放進來那我想這也是我們共同政府應該來支持的一個部分 |
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好 謝謝紅夢海委員跟我聯繫委員說明一下目前我們在處理的大家手頭上有的單頁就是白色的這個修正動議有一修正動議二修正動議三修正動議五剛剛紅夢海委員講的是修正動議五那至於條文對照表我們請翻開第68頁到第69頁目前審理的是運動部組織法第二條那接下來是吳春城委員發言請 |
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那有其他的委員就本案的部分要做說明的也請表達。謝謝。 |
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好,待會（待會（先吳沈澄（先吳沈澄（再吳沈澄（再郭育行（我們針對現在第二條的審議講的是運動部的那個長禮的一個權責那對於這個院版的這一個所敘述的這十項我們基本上沒有意見不過我覺得還是不足還是不足 |
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現在整個的運動部的成立我覺得知識體大這是一件很重要的一件事情那不是當作因為競技運動的全民化 |
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刘仲敬議 |
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主要增加的幾項是在院板裡面所沒有的就是我們現在有關運動產業發展條例還有國民體育法這個現在應該要隨著這個版本 |
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主席 |
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再來的話就是對於學校體育發展的規劃也沒有看到在我們的院板裡面因為各個學校的推動還有地方政府的運動政策的規劃看起來也沒有在我們的這個運動部的體育規劃裡面另外有關於國家運動訓練中心國家運動科學中心還有國家運動產業發展中心的這一些相關的督導 |
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這個規劃也沒有在這個院版的裡面所以希望能夠增列這一些部分以上好謝謝吳政政委員吳政政委員剛剛所講的是跟委員說明一下是修正動議第三那待會我們再先請進行到提案本門的部分先請吳佩儀委員那除了剛剛另外三位委員之外最後還有羅廷威委員以及我們柯昭偉來請我們現在請吳佩儀委員 |
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好這第二條主要討論的是我們運動部的執掌那我提出來的有幾點第一個是第二條的第二款我希望把兒少權益保障也可以入訪那我很肯定這一次我們在第二條裡面其實院版就已經具有多元平權跟包容的精神 |
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但是過去在實務上我們看到兒少運動的保護例如臺中曾經發生有柔道館有男童不幸死亡的案件那在很多的性平案件當中也很多是成年教練跟問成年選手之間發生的問題所以是讓我們相當擔憂所以我是希望說第二款可以 |
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再來是第五款非常之肯定願版把運動文化記憶之保存及在線文字納入那我的版本是希望把它獨立成為一款因為前幾年體育署有開始做運動博覽會 |
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其實非常重要,也讓我們看到說目前我們的運動文物是四散的,包括像這次十二強,我們有獎盃,我們有球,那更有更多的選手他過去的故事例如像我們萬華東元國小,這個江崑宇、張毅啊,像朱育璇曾經是我們教練,記者都來希望我們可以幫忙找當年的畢業紀念冊,故事等等。 |
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這都需要來做口述歷史的訪問它其實是很大的工作要做所以我知道有委員想要徵求運動博物館我也肯定但是肯定我們這件事一定是要從文物的盤點開始做起你要先辦小展覽有長色展 |
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﹏﹏二十九） |
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在國際賽事遇到爭議的時候權益的保障這次林玉婷的事件之前我們教育部跟體育署都非常的支持本次我們也派了副署長來陪同出賽但是我們不可能每一個個案都要都派副署長來陪同出席所以我認為這個應該國際我們選手在國際賽事的權益應該要常態化來協助 |
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例如說2011年我們臺拳道選手楊淑君2013年我們臺拳道選手朱牧原都曾經打到瑞士洛桑的國際體育仲裁法庭所以這方面我們其實叫未來的運動部一定要有法律的專業並且常態化的機制來協助選手保障在國際賽事中的權益以上三點是我希望能夠增加的部分謝謝 |
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好,謝謝吳佩儀委員。接下來請我們林月琴委員。那後面是郭育晴委員。那剛剛有舉手的有王振旭委員跟那個林一金委員。 |
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謝謝,那請問郭委員後面再來 |
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陳培韻委員請謝謝主席這個地方第二條的部分我想說先加在那個說明的部分因為想說這個政策跟法規研擬規劃推動管理跟監督過程當中應該充分聽取體育運動員教練運動團體以及社區的意見並符合身心障礙者的權利公約跟兒童權利公約 |
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那我想這個部分其實大家都知道運動員其實跟教練其實是運動的整個所有的核心的群體那透過他們的一些就是包含一些什麼比賽的機制公平競爭福利保障等等其實都會直接影響他們的權益所以這個部分我想說是不是可以加在這個說明的部分 |
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另外像是社區的部分我想這個運動團體其實也是推動這個體育活動重要的力量那社區更是體育運動的一個基本建設的根本所以這個部分我想說是放在這個說明當中那身心障礙者的權利公約當然我們也希望是在體育政策當中也特別要去特別重視這一塊 |
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另外在兒童權利公約的部分,包含如果有所謂的防止過度的訓練或不當的對待,其實這個部分我們也應該要納入。所以我在想說這個部分我們是不是放在第二條的說明當中。以上。好,謝謝。接下來有請陳佩玉委員。 |
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好,謝謝主席喔那我想要呼應一下剛剛沛玉委員提到了其實很多的運動文物必須要開始有系統的規劃盤點跟收藏所以它都可以透過小型策展的部分開始但如果最後我們想像的是一個大型的運動博物館如果在前面這些必須累積的事情沒有做那就算我們的版本提出運動博物館那假設未來運動部也真的想要做這件事情但在前端沒有任何的累積其實到最後那個博物館都可能只是 |
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在第八個部分我們提到全國性運動團體的業務健全發展跟良善治理那我要再次強調 |
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過去在體育署的政策試驗當中都比較是單向協會或者是特定體育團體但是我們這一次拉到全國性運動主要是因為其實不管在屢次的運動部研究會議當中或者是很多專家學者都提出其實全民運動這件事情必須是運動部接下來非常重要的任務 |
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當然培養國家競技運動的選手這個很重要但如果運動沒有辦法走入全民的生活很多事情都只是枉然我們可能會在運動部更多的資源跟人力跟預算的配置底下產生更多扭曲的競技運動選手跟他們的相關生活其實在很多的新聞報導也都看到了那所以呢我們還有提到關於身心障礙競技運動的部分也是希望搭配著適應體育的融合共融這件事情共同去規劃跟想像以上謝謝 |
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好,謝謝陳美媛,接下來請羅廷偉委員,然後之後是柯政委員,先請羅委員。 |
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好謝謝趙偉不好意思因為待會還有這個教育文化委員會的質詢大家都很多那我想簡單的跟大家說明我想在這個第二條這個過程當中我們看到有一些文字上用的比較沒有這麼的強而有力讓我們很擔心我想呼應剛剛徐曉欣委員所說的獎勵的部分以及我們的這個洪孟凱委員有這個博物館的部分我另外想要說就是我們在修正動議這個有提到有關於這個第四款 |
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他說培植、輔導及生涯規劃我們希望在這個規劃執行及督導的部分希望能夠改為規劃執行及督導我希望還能夠更有強而有力的一個字眼在這個第二條裡面讓運動部能夠強而有力的執行那我們在最近的不管是這樣子的運動棒球熱其實我們在地方其實蠻多的一些家長在反映 |
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連公園、連很多的地點都找不到能夠投接球。當然不奢求要打棒球啦。我覺得連基本的父子之間的投接球都很難找到這樣子的一個地點。你說要廣設棒球場這一點是非常的困難。 |
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但是連找到一個地方能夠做一個頭接球或者是小型的草皮能夠去做一個足球的一個運動我想對所有的家長來說都是非常奢求的一件事情所以我們希望未來運動部在這樣子的一個眾所期待的過程當中能夠擁有更強有力的字眼去做各部位的一個協調能夠找到更多的這樣子的一個契機在推廣全民運動 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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議員議員 |
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我對於第二條我們這個博物館以及紀念相關的歷史我覺得這個部分我們是非常的希望能夠有所執行保留在這一個條文當中所以我想各部會剛剛有許多的委員都蠻支持的但是要怎麼去盤點相關的一個歷史文物或者是要再設置在哪裡當然我們要去啟動相關的盤點 |
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但是我想要再一次的加強就是說現在各縣市有所謂的名人堂或者是台中有新農牛相關的一個紀念的一個展區但是都是屬於地區型的沒有真正國家級的所以我想國家級的或者是未來能夠有相關的歷史文物的一個保存這是眾所期待也希望能夠在運動部這個部分能夠有所發展謝謝接下來請柯政委員然後是王振訊委員 |
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好謝謝主席我剛剛有特別提的一個有關於這第二條的一個附帶的決議因為你看看我對這個條文其實沒有什麼太大的意見但是你看到這個討論到這個執掌的這個內涵裏面他其實在第二條第四款裏面有明文的究竟提到了有關於這些運動教練的這個層面 |
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所以我的附帶決議其實最大的一個主軸是幫這個基層的運動教練要來發聲因為我們目前來說你可以看出我們這整個的專業運動教練他是完全牽涉到我們所謂的選訓賽輔這就是培訓比賽輔導這是完全息息相關那目前來說因為同樣是運動教練雖然是教育人員來一個任用但是有很多的機關跟單位也有同樣是教育人員但是他不見得一定要放在教育部 |
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那我意思就是說應該把這些所謂的基層教練的這樣的一個組織是放在運動部這其實是有很大的不一樣因為我們這個競技運動是高度的一個專業的一個工作那政府在運動部成立之後應該培養更多專業的運動專業官員來長期投入這個經營甚至舉辦這個體育行政專業人員的這個特考有關於體育相關科系畢業的人員來擔任行政官員這是很重要的關鍵環節 |
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那目前為止這個國內的學校裡面有很多的社團都是外聘教練學生而且要交費如果學校可以是一個參加的社團而且是安全免費有專業的運動教練來指導我覺得這可以帶動整個的競技運動的全民化所以我認為能夠把它納入校園師資有證照跟品格的一個管項 |
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所以我這邊為什麼要提出這樣的一個所謂的附帶決議,希望大家來做樣一個支持。那我們就是覺得目前現有的這個部分,把運動教練部分還放在我們教育部來說的話,這其實跟我們未來運動部要發展的一些專業的部分是有一些的漢格的。 |
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目前來說你看桌球與球很多要參加的學生都要繳費而且是需要自己辦社團這是一個很奇怪的事件所以說如果能夠把這個專任的運動教練歸屬於這個運動部和體育班基層訓練站一樣都歸體育部的話那體育老師放到這個教育部然後把運動教練放在這個所謂的運動部我想對於整個運動還有對基層教練來說的話會是讓他們覺得不管在職業在未來的這個所謂的專業的活動上面應該更具有保障度謝謝 |
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好,跟聯席委員說明一下,剛剛柯委員所說的是他有一個附帶決議,一共兩個案,大家可以參考我們兩頁的這個文字內容。好,那麼因為今天提案的委員相當多,我們是不是先本案,修正動議跟附帶決議都讓大家表示意見。接下來請王振旭委員,王振旭委員之後是林一金委員,然後再來是張雅琳委員。 |
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好 謝謝主席 針對第二條分析有三點意見第一個就是在第二款的部分身心條件中間應該加一個健康我們知道身心的條件事實上跟健康脫不了關係所以入法健康的話可以讓他更為完整還有剛剛一群委員也提到在這個第二款裡面包括性別跟族群中間也希望能夠 |
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則不予審查 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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有關於多元運動專業人才的培育這一部分能夠有更完整的闡述我們知道多元運動專業人才是非常籠統的字眼所以本席在這邊期待在這個立法說明將本條第四款是多元運動專業人才系包括教練、裁判、防護員、培練員、物理治療師、運動館 |
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長管營運人才、賽事規劃及辦理人才等健全各項運動發展、形塑安全健康、運動觀念與專業環境之相關人才,這樣的話就能夠規範得更清楚。以上。 |
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好,謝謝王正勳委員跟委員,聯席委員說明一下,目前王正勳委員剛念的是他的本,他的提案,在我們條文隊的第87頁到第88頁,那接下來呢是請林一金委員,那林委員是要就修正動議他的第,第二案嗎?是不是,第三案嗎? |
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謝謝主席。 |
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世界棒球十二強、台灣奪冠、舉國歡騰令人感動可是我們有接近這樣的成績絕非偶然這是職棒產業跟運動產業整體從業人員長期來投入跟累積的成果所以鑑於運動部設置的一個重大的任務就是發展運動產業而且而勞工就是所謂的受雇者是產業的根本所以我覺得我們應該要重視基層勞工的工作環境和條件所以我提出修正動議就是把 |
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保障運動產業勞動條件,促進勞資和諧,納入運動部長旅的事項之一。那我想勞工是產業的根本大家都非常清楚,可是把勞工留住產業才有活水,那不能因為說運動產業還有方方面面必須要建設跟開發,那為求這個經濟的成果就不行犧牲勞工權益的勞碌。 |
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所以我們特別是另外還要談到運動產業的特殊性就更有這個主管機關要積極協助建立友善勞動環境的必要為什麼說呢你說像職業運動員為例相較於其他的行業運動員的職涯其實相當的短暫那很可能就是落在20歲到30多歲這樣的一個寶貴的歲月所以運動員跟僱主的談判爭取這個權益所需付出的成本相當的高 |
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所以若沒有建權工會或主管機關的協力其實很難堅固自身的勞權所以中華職棒全員工會也有指出建權的環境來自建權的制度那麼像美國、日本、韓國這種職棒產業的先行者團體協約的扮演不只是保障國家隊更包含勞動條件、從業制度的保障跟勞資和諧的契約框架等等 |
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可以讓選手們更安心的投入職業生涯以上也請部會跟各位同仁多多支持謝謝謝謝跟林委員說明剛剛林錦委員他是針對行政院版的修正動議可以看我們的修正動議的第二份接下來再請張雅琳委員那之後是陳秀寶委員請發言張雅琳委員 |
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好 謝謝主席那我的第二條呢我主要是強調幾個面向就是在第一款的部分我覺得我們應該要定名這是一個國家運動政策國家應該要持續的去做這些更有計畫長遠性的一些規劃所以我是把國家在運動政策前面加了國家兩個字那第二個部分呢是去在身心條件在第二款裡面我強化了年齡身心條件年齡因為過去我們常常都會忽略年齡可是我們在兒少不管是 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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我強化一個是競技運動與發展與選手之培育選拔、獎勵跟福利以及在福利的部分以及還有輔導生涯發展及權益保障。但是這個福利的部分我是認為是說我們現在其實也是需要提供一些相關的福利制度規劃來去保障我們的運動員這樣子。 |
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再來是下面的一個法證教練與多元運動專業人才之培育真能認證及法證我加了法證兩個字那法證主要是因為我們過去常常遇到很多這個單向協會治理的問題所以我覺得這個法證的部分是不是也可以來考慮中央跟協會之間我們未來有運動部之後要如何來去管理這個法證的制度 |
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再來是第七款的部分我在運動設施發展與運動裡面與場館的後面我加了種類運動設施與場館之種類因為不然我會擔心是說我們沒有把種類分出來我們可能建制的場館就會非常的單一沒有辦法去符合世界的趨勢所以強化這個種類是讓我們在未來去做一些場館設置的時候可以更清楚的去做盤點再來就是第八個 |
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好,就是也是在第8款的部分在全國性運動團體業務健全發展與良善治理之促進、輔導及督導。好,我加了督導兩個字,就是這次回到我剛剛前面講的,就是我們有關於我們現在的單項協會的治理上面,其實不能只是規劃一些課程給他們,我們應該還要有更多的監督的工作。謝謝。 |
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好剛剛我們張雅玲委員她的在條文對照表的第75頁到第76頁接下來陳秀寶委員的是在條文對照表的第77頁到第78頁請陳秀寶委員 |
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謝謝主席我們現在討論的是第二條的部分那本席在第五款本席是把運動文化記憶之保存與再現的這個部分的記憶拿掉我是希望說在條文上是比較直觀比較好理解因為運動部是要推廣全民運動用比較平易近人的文字來讓民眾比較了解這個運動的這個運動部的這個權限比較能夠貼近民眾的生活那在第七款的部分因為學校體育包括12年 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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發展的部分加了全民兩次是希望說教育部如果說教育部你們覺得有更好的這個詞彙也可以提出來討論是希望說運動部可以整合這個各縣市的這個運動的各式場館那協助地方政府的建置場地租屋界的一個系統讓民眾可以更清楚清楚的知道就哪些運動場館是可以運用的 |
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那本席認為說運動場館應該要看他的硬體設施及場地規模來演繹不同的運動申請是不是適合讓我們這些相關的運動場館的租用運用是可以更活化那在第八款的部分呢本席是在 |
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全國性運動團體業務健全發展與良善治理之促進輔導後面加了監督兩個字就是要強調運動部對全國性的運動團體的監督尤其是各單項協會國家其實每年有提供各單項協會許多的補助款但是各單項協會一直有發生各式各樣的問題那也嚴重的影響到民眾對於體育署的這些信心 |
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希望是藉由這次運動部的成立本是希望說運動部要明確訂定相關的這個監督的這個規範明確要求各單項協會應該重視選手的權益那在地方的這個單項協會的運動委員會呢因為不屬於體育團體是歸順在人民團體 |
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對,但是單項運動委員會也常常是承辦了大量的地方的單項體育活動,包含比賽活動、領選甚至是課程。那每次有發生問題的時候,地方的體育局沒有辦法約束它。那運動部有沒有預計我們如何協助縣市政府在這些地方的單項委員會如何做規範跟做管理?以上。 |
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好,謝謝陳秀寶委員,跟聯席委員會說明一下,第二條發言委員相當踴躍,既有13人次發言,分別針對的內容有修正動議4個案,有各自委員的提案版本, |
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以及附帶決議已案。因為附帶決議尚未宣讀,我們待會在處理之前一定要讓附帶決議先宣讀。在這裡先請教育部跟體育署針對剛剛十三位委員分別就行政院版所提的修正動議或是委員各自第二條的條文版本內容以及所提出來的附帶決議內容 |
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那麼請先做個會診我們讓體育署有時間去進行會診那我們現在先請做綜合答覆那待會我們會進行附帶決的宣讀來請綜合答覆張偉那我這邊因為真的太多所以我如果遺漏的話再請委員再提醒我一下那我就因為太多委員所以我可能沒辦法依照順序我先從黃孟楷委員這邊黃孟楷委員剛剛提到的選手的這個 |
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整個的培植、輔導這部份我們精神已經在我們的文字裡面已經有納入了。所以這部份是不是容許我們維持願版的大方向。那那個建立運動博物館等等我們在我們的文字裡面也有包括了運動文化基的保存典藏這部份我想都已經納在這裡面。 |
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這個我們的任務範圍掌理的事項比較屬於大方向那運動博物館這部分我們後面等成立之後我們會再做研議不過在這個文字方面我們是不是容許我們就以大方向的這個運動文化的這個記憶這個保存典藏這部分的字眼來維持院版的部分那再是徐曉欣委員的部分那獎勵的部分這部分我們尊重委員的意見 |
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民眾黨五村城委員的部份,學校體育的部份未來會是在教育部的部門。 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
過去我們在部裡面已經有多次的討論我想這部分的分工細節我們會再謹慎的來處理那地方的部分呢那應該屬於地方的事務所以這部分我們還是回歸到地方的權責那在三中心的部分我們在三個中心的事實條例裡面都會明定他們的督導機關就是運動部所以我們就不會在這個運動部組織法裡面特別再去明定他是三個中心的督導的機關 |
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關於李警委員剛提到的所謂勞動的部分那因為我們現行的勞動的相關法規都已經算相當的完備了那我們在運動部的部分本來就應該遵守啦所以這部分是不是容許我們用附帶局的方式來進行一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7341.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
那關於林月琴委員提到的年齡的部分,那我們這個整個的文字已經有所謂的全民化,所以我們這部分是容許我們就不再去在另外再增加,已經包含在這裡面了。那那個郭玉琴委員提到的選手權益的部分以及社區的部分,其實我們已經在我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7414.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
呃,文字裡面都精神都已經納入,那身心障礙以及兒燒的部分也是都已經把它納入,那特別適應體育這邊有特別說明喔,其實我們在當初在諮詢委員會討論的時候我們特地避開身心障礙這個字眼啦,我們是希望說在全民的部分我們就用適應運動這件事情來,這個字眼來,來代表,那比較偏禁忌的部分就是怕啦,所以我們在字眼裡面其實整個適應運動就包含了全民的身心障礙的部分以及 |
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| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
則不予審查。 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7485.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
這份是容許我們把這個文字能夠維持的願版那吳佩儀委員的部分也是相關於有關於兒少多元平權選手權益及法律的專業那我們的確在出入規程裡面我會也會有法制組的部分法制處的編制那這份是容許我們後面的出入規程再來處理那文字的部分是能夠因為精神都已經包含在裡面是能維持我們的願版那詹雅琳委員的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
呃,包含,呃,選手的權益以及,呃,教練的證照這些都基本上都已經,還有那個協會的良善治理這部分呢,我們其實都已經納入在我們的法條裡面。至於督導的部分,至於協會的督導的部分,我們當時是想用輔導的字眼比較柔性啦,那要加上監督督導,我們其實尊重沒有,這個沒有意見。那在,呃, |
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| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
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運動場館種類的部分因為考量我們現在運動社是場館大部分還是朝向綜合型跟共用型居多以免造成文字館或一些空間的浪費這部分是容許我們就不再徵訴 |
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但是是不是我們可以用附帶決議的方式來取代那陳培毅委員剛剛有提到的運動文化良善治理以及全民運動身心障礙部分我們剛剛應該差不多都已經有先回應了那是不是也容許我這邊就是能夠維持我們的願板那羅廷偉委員講到的 |
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運動環境的部分那這部分我們當然我們後面在特別他強調的那個電競的部分我們在後面的新興運動裡面也都會在初入規程裡面都會做處理那是維持願板的部分那王振旭委員所提到的身心健康條件的部分那這部分是不是容許我們用附帶決議跟當第一條的健康這個字眼呢是不是一樣附帶決議來進行 |
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至於說多元運動專業人才的部分,我們當時的確有想到,不過我們怕怪異漏腕了,比方說最近很夯的秦修,他就是專業人員,所以我們是不是就一樣維持多元的運動專業人員這樣的字眼。以上,不知道還有沒有遺漏到。 |
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好 那個這樣好不好剛剛這個綜合答覆的部分我們這裡面有涉及到可能條文的文字調整包括立法說明的補充以及甚至可以轉化為附帶決議的文字上更為詳細的表述 |
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那是不是容我呢徵取一點時間因為我們的附帶決議還沒有宣讀那我們附帶決議宣讀完了之後呢我們休息五分鐘那請我們體育署將剛剛各委員您書長所答覆的內容如果要轉換為附帶決議的是不是有一個復稿那讓委員來看一下那我們休息後呢我們再進行第二條看如何去進行處理好不好那我們就先宣讀後休息五分鐘 |
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考論事項第一案附帶決議一教育部成立目的與機關業務依據教育部組織法第二條業務事項皆與教育目的存有直接關係且在運動部組織法通過後有關體育署之設置以及全民運動、經濟運動等業務已自教育部轉移至運動部至於依照現行法規各級學校專任運動教練拼任管理辦法專任運動教練原本隸屬於教育部管轄 |
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未來運動部成立後若仍然隸屬教育部是否還需要再設教育部體育司如此不僅業務執掌混亂亦失去了設立運動部希望達到推廣運動教育及競技運動發展的利益在事務上選手養成的過程中無論是體育班專任運動教練或基層訓練站業務皆直接關係選手的選拔、培訓、比賽與輔導而選訓、賽服四大面向 |
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則與新成立的運動部業務相符依據行政院運動部組織法第二條第四項所列顯示運動部掌理業務系競技運動發展與選手之培育選拔、獎勵、輔導、生涯發展及權益保障教練與多元運動專業人才之培育增能、認證、聘用之規劃推動、管理及監督據此在運動部成立與教育部組織法修法後專業運動教練的主管機關 |
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因立屬於新成立的運動部較為妥適同時體育競技為高度專業領域未來運動部的行政人員與教練選手間必須溝通流暢觀念相符故政府在行政人員任用上應任用具基本 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
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附帶決議二有關軍運動部組織架構之規劃你將原本規劃中的全民運動司直接擴大編制員而改設全民運動署基於我國運動的長遠發展與其成立全民運動署不如改為競技運動署對我國國際賽事選手之培訓選才等較有幫助因為 |
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若是設立全民運動署．將導致更多經費用於推廣全民運動．供一般民眾休閒與娛樂所用。全民運動之推廣固然重要．然運動部成立的目的應兼具國家經濟運動選手之培訓．經費挹注之權衡．運動部必須審慎思考．我們不希望新的運動部只是增加經費． |
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給非亞奧運項目等單項協會使用,重點是我們的競技運動選手要有更好的培訓、選拔、比賽、輔導的環境,才能讓更多有潛能的選手被發掘,競技運動員有更好的培訓環境,如此才能讓運動部的成立更有意義。運動部狹下設有全民體育署,其目的在於推動全民運動的參與, |
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一設有六個業務司．包括經濟運動司．然而目前學校內除了少數體育班的學生．大部分的普通生並沒有參與校內的經濟運動．若要推廣經濟運動全民化．未來運動部成立後．更應加重視．大多數的普通生．例如擴大舉辦各級的經濟比賽．並從中協助輔導．使能推動全國各級學校積極參與．從校園內推廣經濟運動之全民參與．除此． |
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校內的學生社團能提供學生課後有較安全方便的學習場域然而很多社團的教練都是學生自己從校外尋覓若能由政府資助聘請教練一方面使教練的專業性更有保障二來則減輕學生參與經濟運動社團的負擔如此亦能有助於學校推廣全民運動之參與成立運動部獲得社會級大共識但修法過程中應做好相關的配套措施 |
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其是相關人員的主責機關與業務執掌歸屬若業務重疊將淪為疊床架屋部分機關無所適從故務必要有通盤的考量如何讓運動部在各業務上能一條龍式的垂直整合 |
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使運動部官員、行政人員到教練、選手能相互溝通、基層所需能有有效解決,為我國運動業務打造更好的環境。提案人委員科智恩、萬美玲、林倩琦宣讀完畢。 |
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好,我們繼續開會請大家回座好,請大家回座 |
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那剛剛在休息期間呢也有附帶決議更多的附帶決議提出來那麼也有臨時提案提出來那在這裡先做議程上預作宣告我們待會條文討論到11點的時候我們來處理今天的臨時提案臨時提案好那個臨時提案是不是提出來了 |
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剛才我們休息時間已經請體育﹖ |
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教育部跟體育署分別就剛剛十三人次的委員分別就條文文字本身或是附帶決議或者是說文字的條文文字立法說明的部分要做補充那是不是現在請體育署有沒有先做跟委員做一個回應還是委員要再就剛剛的內容的再做詢問的有沒有那請那個體育署文字 |
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這邊的話就是呃... |
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科資院委員的部分我們剛好跟委員這麼討論我們就等一下會有附帶決議的修正文字那陳佩儀委員的部分我們就是跟帕拉競技我們改成身心障礙競技那侯孟楷委員這邊的那個運動體育博物館我們是不是改成運動博物館那名詞是不是運動博物館那在立法說明裡面去就容許我們去提一下就是說這個時程容我們後面做長期的一個研議那 |
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再來乍林委員的部分,剛剛在設施的部分的種類目前我們還是就是維持就讓乍林委員加這個種類的部分進去。那還有年齡的這個文字還有國家體育運動政策加國家兩個字。 |
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那那個王振旭委員這邊的提案我們是不是用在那個附帶決議的部分進行那多元運動專業人才的部分因為真的太多因為運動這件事一個多學文修學門的一個部分喔所以怕怪異漏案所以這部分是不是容許我們還是維持專業運動運動專業人才的字眼就可以了還有那個獎勵的部分 |
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獎勵的部分也是可以加進去這個問題,尊重,謝謝。好,來,剛剛王委員也要舉手發言,還有那個莊委員,先請王委員。好,謝謝主席。針對於本席所提出來這個相關的附帶決議的部分,我們希望在跟協同衛生福利部合作的後面,再加推動並落實健康台灣政策目標,讓我們這個相關的推動可以更明確,以上。好,來,莊委員。 |
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謝謝 謝謝主席我想今天在第二條的部分很多委員都有提出附帶決議大家都很在意未來整個運動部對於各單項協會的一個管考這個本席也有提出但是我倒不是針對第二條我是比較針對於整部的一個組織法運動部 |
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應該更提出更具體的說明跟計劃也就是說未來在整個補助單項協會的時候如何去做管考我相信這個才是一個核心的價值而倒不是在整個單項的一個條文裡面做這樣的一個注意以上這一點我特別提出提醒 |
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現在請書長做第三輪的回覆。 |
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剛剛漏掉一個就是我們在第二條的第八款全民全國性的運動團體業務這部分的最後一個事項之協調及監督我們同意加上監督這兩個及監督這三個字以上 |
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現在因為這邊又陸續接到附帶決議那麼這裡面有涉及到第一條的附帶決議因為我們現在調適在進行第二條那可以稍微倒車回去再處理第一條的附帶決議現在請先宣讀那我們再來處理第二條 |
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討論事項第一案附帶決議三建於我國各界長年對於各項運動特定體育團體之非議與抨擊以及體育署在對該等體育團體之相關管考與輔導作為未爭理想除有礙運動發展也影響人民對運動主管機關進行相關運動事務治理之信任建請未來運動部因依以下原則強化對於特定體育團體之管考與輔導 |
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一、完善觀考機制﹐強化檢視其財務管理﹐會員服務及制度透明度。二、強化輔導與支援﹐運動部應建立更完善輔導機制﹐針對仿視體育團體運作中所發現之問題﹐詳實列舉並性其改善﹐促進其內部治理改善。三、建立定期溝通平台﹐邀集各界專家學者及民間團體參與﹐ |
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針對各體育團體業務推展提供建言並監督運動部對體育團體之輔導與管考作為確保透明性與公正性提案人委員莊瑞雄、吳思瑤、鍾嘉斌。討論事項第一案附帶決議是為落實運動部推動之核心目標配合政府政策提升規律運動人口 |
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未來需致力於打造多元運動環境．強化選手及運動人才保障．良善治理．皆同衛生福利部合作．嚴禮適合我國國人各身心健康條件之運動建議．並辦理對應之運動課程．提案人委員吳思堯．張雅玲．陳秀寶．陳俊宇．陳培宇．柯志恩宣讀完畢。 |
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好 我先跟聯席委員會說明一下目前我們因為剛剛第一條已經通過了那因為有個第一條的附帶決議讓他做宣讀大家看一下那另外呢那個有不設定條文的附帶決議有兩案那剛剛也宣讀過了 |
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是不是針對第二條待會還會有附帶決議提出來也會有條文的文字調整也會有立法說明的補充是不是我們先把第二條先做暫保留讓這些文字都放在各位桌上了我們再回過頭來把第二條的文字立法說明跟附帶決議做一個完整的處理好不好那我們現在先看第三條 |
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第三條,各提案條文內容均相同。第三條是在處理我們首長、副首長之職稱、官職等及緣額。那麼因為條文已經宣讀過了,請問各位委員,因為第三條條文各版內容均相同,是不是按照行政院版本通過?同意,那我們第三條通過。 |
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那麼第四條的部分呢也是一樣也各提案文字各提案條文內容文字均相同那也宣讀過了是不是第四條部分我們按照行政院提案通過同意喔好謝謝那接下來我們看第五條 |
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第五條吼,那有修正動議一份吼。好,第五條呢,又一個修正動議,又一個附帶決議。那還有委員要發言,我們先宣讀那個修正動議,然後再來。啊,宣讀過了吼。附帶決議跟修正動議都宣讀過了。那我們現在開始進行發言。剛剛有看到陳佩玉委員、王振旭委員跟柯子恩委員,來請依序發言。 |
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好 謝謝主席那我們的版本寫的是社全民運動署辦理全民運動業務這邊我們都沒有意見但是我們認為要談的是運動發展現代化形塑全民運動文化那相關的概念其實我們已經多次跟體育署溝通所以等一下還是要麻煩教育部跟體育署說明為什麼不可以這樣寫 謝謝 |
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韓政協委員發言 |
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這是另外貴予附帶決議的修正請我們把修正的文字補上去我們待會再處理接下來請柯志仁委員針對第五條第五條我就是做一個附帶決議雖然這邊提這個第五條 |
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國際運動組織法草案案 |
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那運動部成立後應該是重視這90%的學生競技運動啦可以辦理這個分級的運動會給一般學生參加但是全國學校動起來當然從學校開始才有辦法推動所謂的競技運動全民化那你如果說是全民運動署好像你會把現有非亞奧運項目的投入去發展全民運動這其實上並不會帶動整個國家的競技運動的提升啊你反而把很多的機會放在一般老百姓的一些休閒活動啊 |
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你確定有沒有辦法真正提高整個競技運動的一個水平還是只是讓一般的民眾有更多的休閒運動而已我覺得這個部分真的要重新來做考量那目前全民組管理非亞奧運項目這些單項協會在專業的競技運動裡面其實並非是專業的競技運動專業的人才所以我個人提了一個負擔決議請審慎的考量如果要推廣這個競技運動全民的話 |
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應該是要設立競技運動署而不是全民體育署這是我的想法 謝謝 |
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好,謝謝柯子恩委員。事實上在我們本案進行主條的一開始,外媒林委員他是提案人,他有一個提案說明,他也是有一個第五條的文字,他是設運動產業發展局,而且他有附上了組織法。那我們是不是請國民黨黨團助理通知一下外媒林委員,如果要處理第五條的部分有沒有要補充意見,請其他共同聯署的委員幫忙講。 |
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那現在呢我們因為剛剛有先預告到11點的時候呢我們就來處理今天的臨時提案請將今天的臨時提案呢發給我們各位委員那我們先做處理主席不好意思我這邊那個問委員因為他現在當召委我知道我剛剛先預告了所以我說有保留時間了待會就是換你了好臨時提案處理完就換你了來臨時提案是不是拿到了各位手上是不是都拿到臨時提案了好請宣讀 |
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禮實提案一略以建請行政院研議新增11月24日為臺灣棒球紀念日以紀念臺灣棒球運動所開創之全新里程碑並配合運動部成立除了宣示精準意助相應資源促進運動發展外更期盼 |
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借台灣棒球紀念日將國人之激勵與感動,延續並擴散至各運動項目及選手於國際舞台上盡情揮灑,讓世界看見台灣。提案人委員吳思瑤、聯署人委員陳俊宇、張雅琳、吳佩奕、莊瑞雄、鍾嘉斌、陳培宇宣讀完畢。好,請問提案委員有無補充說明。 |
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好我補充說明一下因為今天特別難得司法法制跟教育文化委員會聯席我們審議的就是運動部的組織法那我們這個臨時提案當然我們也希望可以在立法院的院會去提但是因為院會這一周在審議考試院的相關的人事同意權的審查所以我想藉由我們司法法制委員會今天運動部組織法的審議的這個當下提出這樣一個臨時提案我想 |
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有沒有那個部長或次長?現在我們在處理臨時提案。謝謝委員的一個提案,我們這個可以尊重。好。那行政機關沒有意見。來,尊重啦。那請問在場委員對於今日的提案有沒有要再補簽的請到台前來,有沒有其他意見? |
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那如果沒有其他不同意見,我們臨時提案就修正後通過,取第一段跟第三段,第二段拿掉。那麼修正後通過,謝謝。好,謝謝大家。好,現在我們再回過頭來繼續我們第五條的審議。那第五條呢,因為有萬美玲提案委員,她的版本當中有一些特別的部分,那我們請那個林倩琦委員做說明。 |
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主席好各位同仁大家好那我這邊來幫外委員委員他針對第五條的這個提案那也是本黨有一些委員也認為在運動發展上運動產業是很重要的一個支撐的平台 |
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現在我們看到這次這個棒球的比賽我們能夠有這麼好的成績那除了各界的投入、請搜等等那運動產業的支持其實在整個對運動員的支撐是最實質的一個平台那所以在這個部分目前組織架構裡面我們希望能夠增加一個運動產業發展局 |
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則不僅僅僅我們現有這個組織架構裡面這樣蠻單薄的一個架構組織所以這邊是我幫萬有緣這邊還有本黨委員所提出來的運動產業發展局這邊做一個補充希望 |
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請問各位委員對於第五條有沒有來請吳培宇委員 |
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第五條,剛剛針對克茲恩委員提出的附帶決議,我有一些意見,因為我認為這一次運動部的成立,全民運動署其實是重中之重,因為過去我們一直在討論,除了競技體育非常重要之外,包含了我們的社區體育、兒少體育、俱樂部體育,還有我一直很重視的多次跟體育署召開公聽座談會的 |
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新興運動包括街舞、滑板霹靂舞而相近進入當中只有霹靂舞是屬於競技運動其他街舞都叫全民運動那這就是未來我們 |
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新的運動部成立全民運動署很重要要來協助推廣的全民體育所以我是認為全民運動所成立非常重要那我們應該是競技跟全民運動通通都要並進才一起來去讓我們全台灣國人的運動的風氣可以整體來提升謝謝 |
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好 那麼因為在場的秩序主席這邊跟聯席委員會說明我們處理一下我們第五條先處理條文文字那再來討論附帶決議好不好那先接下來要發言委員是要討論第五條的條文文字還是要對於那個柯真委員的附帶決議要有所表示意見附帶委員有意見 |
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好 那麼對於第五條的文字內容剛剛因為林倩琦委員已經代外門林委員的表達了那這裡跟委員聯繫委員說明一下目前行政院版本它是用它是產業發展的是用行政法人的方式放在後面我們要審查的設置條例啊草案啊所以是不是請各位我們衡量剛剛一個是放在 |
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運動部組織法第五條增列第二款設一個產業發展局另外一個就是目前院版的規劃是放在國家運動產業發展中心設置條例草案這我們待會後續會審到那麼就第五條部分請委員會表示意見 |
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王委員好主席謝謝第五條的部分我們還是期待把這個全民健康跟運動之間有更好的連結所以在最後希望能夠透過行促運動文化同時促進全民健康以上 |
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第五條保留吳世耀委員 |
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我是建議第五條是支持院版那因為如果要新設其他的這個司署局這個在後面會審議到的條例再來處理那因為第五條我們focus是全民運動為主題啦 |
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那我個人我一併來論述我非常支持我們就是要有全民運動署我對於剛剛志恩委員的附帶決議他的整個思維我想剛好正是我們為什麼要全民運動署來翻轉傳統的思維我並不認為我們要做的是競技運動全民化 |
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我們要做的是全民運動是一軌競技運動是未來運動發展部的另外一軌所以競技運動是去拔尖的去參加賽會的但是全民運動全民體育是從國人的健康下手而且能夠連帶的促進健康之外能夠提振我們的運動產業 |
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所以說知恩委員的這個附帶決議我基本上是在思維上恰恰是相反所以我沒有辦法支持那我也呼籲大家就全民健康的角度全民運動要深化過去是輕全民運動重競技運動不管在預算上政策上都是失衡的 |
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所以未來的運動部願意就全民運動有一個專利的署來推動全民運動我認為這就是一個正確的選擇也是正確的政策方向所以呼籲大家這個條文保留這個就會我是覺得就是如果在場的委員多數大家同意我們就是支持全民 |
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他其實是可以支持那個整個全民運動的一個發展我們也可以從實際的狀況裡面看到另外一個條例才是對的好來那個請陳佩玉委員然後再來吳佩玉委員我想要呼應那個幹事吳思雅幹事長的建議喔主要是如果你要設一個局的話是不是可以在相關的後續的組織條例裡面我們再來處理因為這個第五條其實談的就是我們有了運動部之後新設一個署所以是不是可以拜託縣行委員如果 |
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問美林委員他現在當召委可不可以跟他私訊一下問他可不可以接受我們在後續的組織條例裡面在組織條例裡面去釋合因為如果你現在就要把產業發展局放下來那是不是所有的局都一併納入這個母法這樣寫這個法律上的寫法怪怪的啦謝謝 |
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好那趁這個空檔時間那先吳佩儀委員這個主席我是希望說因為今天版本非常多然後又大家一直提出修正動議、附帶決議等等如果只要有一個人意見不同就要保留今天沒辦法討論了那我現在看因為我認為剛剛這個林建勤委員戴萬美里委員說明的內容其實跟現在第五條全民運動署並沒有抵觸啊所以我希望第五條還是先把它通過那其他有其他的想法我們在後面都還可以再討論 |
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好 謝謝我這裡先做一個說明因為現在我們陸續這邊收到很多的附帶決議那因為剛剛第二條呢因為有先暫保留目的是為了條文文字修載的時候有的要改為附帶決議所以待會如果我們在進行條文審議的時候除非是涉及到文字要改為附帶決議不然我們附帶決議呢就留在最後面再來處理那我們在最後面再一併宣讀那現在還是就第五條的條文文字本身來進行討論請來鄭天才委員 |
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我沒有想到今天的審查的方式跟以往不太一樣。這個條文先審完,然後再去處理臨時提案,再去處理附帶結議,這樣才是一個正常的一個程序。所以這個部分,我沒有想到說這個竟然現在開會開到這麼久,現在才在第五條。 |
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那第五條裡面當然有不同的想法認為要這個要成立產業發展局 |
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那這個行政院的版本或其他委員的版本是用行政法人或是透過其他的方式成立中心、機構的方式是可以討論的部分。然後這個部分就像我們的條文現在有沒有全部,前面是不是都通過了? |
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除了報告那個委員除了第二條文字還在調整對阿其他都通過了阿所以不要這樣馬上就說就影響了整個不是不是他所謂的保留不是說整個整個要保留不是阿暫保留啦暫保留而已啦所以不要馬上就做不同的用切一些如果說前面的條文全部都通過了那我接受 |
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我也沒想到今天會審查,審這麼久了。教育部以前我來說了,體育這個機構不是,這個機關不是第一次成立啦。我也沒想到會討論這麼久。以前也成立一級機關,體委會過啊。 |
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對不對?哎呦那是我第一條的光第一條的文字大家討論那麼久的我很訝異啦曾經也是體委會後來變體育署現在體育署要變成運動部大家都支持我們是不是能夠怎麼樣能夠加快我是建議召委我現在建議召委怎麼樣加快啦好不好 |
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政見代委員,我們剛剛第二條有十三人次發言,您不在的時候我們有進行充分的討論,十三人次。那關於第五條的部分,因為我們第二條暫保留,那第五條是不是也先暫保留,我們回過頭來一併從二條再五條再處理好不好,因為沒有爭議的,大致相同的版本我們就比較快處理,那我們現在第五條先暫保留,我們現在請看第六條, |
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那第六條呢其實呢大致的內容都相同第六條在處理的是我們為了因應業務需要得派員住境外辦事這是第六條大致的內容請問各位委員我們第六條是不是依行政院版的部分大家來參酌是否同意好那如果大家沒有意見我們第六條就叫行政院版通過 |
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好,接下來呢,我們看第七條。第七條呢,它處理的是關於一級單位的主管得必要時用專科以上學校的副教授、教授、退休輔助、比較教師,這是第七條精神。那各版本的內容呢,大致是一致的。那請問各位委員,我們第七條的部分,是不是以行政院版本參照來進行處理?好,同意。 |
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好,那我們第7條請問按照行政院版通過有異議?沒有。好,我們第7條按照行政院版通過。那麼第8條的部分呢?有修正動議吼。那麼第8條在處理本部加運動部及所屬機關業務需要得聘用專業人員。那又有修正動議吼,我們讓修正人員先宣讀要先處理。請宣讀。 |
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修正動議六對照行政院提案條文第八條增訂第二項為前項禁用人才具原住民身份者不得低於百分之十五提案人委員林倩琦、吳春晨、盧廷瑋宣讀完畢。好,針對修正動議大家是不是拿到了,拿到手上了?有齁,那我們來請那個政見台委員發言。 |
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好 這個第8條的條文我的這個提案我的提案在128頁128頁大家請參閱這個我特別在第8條裡面規定就是說本部及所屬機關為運動發展多元化禁用人才得依聘用人員聘用條例之規定聘用運動相關領域專業人才 |
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我特別增加第二項前項禁用人才據原住民身份者不得低於20%那剛才林倩琦的臨時提案是寫15%請大家能夠支持這個比例是不是能夠把它列進去那這樣比例大家可以討論以上各位委員手上有兩張應該都是針對第八條啦針對第八條是不是 |
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這個寫第九條。這是第九條。好,第八條。好,來,請務在委員發言。 |
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我是希望不要針裂這個修正同意所提我們對於所有運動人才的把著是不分族群不分世代那我想原住民族的朋友們都深具運動的專業跟能力他們也能夠在現有的聘用人員聘用條例裡頭來獲得禁用所以我是真的認為不宜放這樣子的一個條文 |
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不管比例是百分之二十或百分之十五我也理解天才委員跟欠期委員要為援助民族的朋友來發聲但是我正因為相信他們的運動專業跟能力他們沒有這樣的保障也是能夠獲得禁用國家為國舉財不分族群所以是真的希望不要有這樣的修正動力但是體育署也好大家都會知道未來對於八族人才在 |
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﹝討論中﹞ |
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在我們這次院版的第一條裡面就有文字是落實多元平權所以我想多元平權包括人才的禁用應當就是在我們的精神當中那我要附議剛剛吳思堯委員所提我是不太贊成在條文裡面直接針對特定的族群或身份訂定比例因為如果要這樣的話 |
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陳培鈺委員 |
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這個之所以會列這樣的條文事實上從過去的體委會到現在的這個體育署過去體委會還有原住民的公務人員還有還會去禁用那相關現在既然現在要改為運動部然後特別過去的體委會或是體育署並沒有這條條文 |
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可以用聘用人員沒有這樣的條文所以我才特別針對因為大家都認為會用會用其實都沒有如果我們看這一次的這個中華中華隊24名的選手裡面28名28名的選手裡面有二分之一14位是原住民而這14位原住民裡面 |
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有其中一位有很長的時間都沒有工作很長時間沒有工作所以這個部分這個就是有沒有善用有沒有真正去落實 |
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還是只有靠關係所以我們才會堅持要去定這個比例所以這個部分請大家能夠支持因為原住民的運動人才真的很多而這些運動人才我這邊是第8條是這樣定針對不需要公務人員利用資格的下一條需要公務人員利用資格的 |
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我們也要定比例為什麼呢我要跟大家報告過去考試院院長姚嘉文當過考試院院長他就很重視原住民的機用他會去協調主動協調相關的部會 |
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去提報切爾到原住民行政特考像橋委會他竟然能夠去協調也禁用原住民透過原住民行政特考只要報切爾他就禁用橋委會跟我們原住民沒有關係他都可以這樣子做所以我請大家能夠支持真正要支持運動就支持原住民的體育人才以上 |
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請陳佩玉委員發言,然後吳子耀委員。好,謝謝主席。那我非常尊重林委員過往一直為原住民族爭取各式各樣的權益。我過往自己住在花蓮十幾年,也非常多原住民朋友,其實對於台灣的整個行政機關,對於原住民相關的權益、經費跟預算,始終有增加,其實大家是非常有感的。 |
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但是我想要提醒林委員其實在我們現有的法規叫做原住民族工作權保障法裡面第四條跟第五條就有明白的規定各級政府機關、公立學校、公營事業機構裡面因僱用之原住民族人數比例其實已經有相關規定了但是我想林委員身為一個立法委員絕對知道這個相關的辦法 |
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那後續的監督在體育署升格為運動部之後他們確實也必須要遵守這個法規那如同您剛剛舉的例子不管是您過往說的考試院或者是僑委會我相信他們都是在這個法規底下去做到聘用援助民族相關人數的規定那如果您認為在有一些公部門的行政機關他對於 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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好,接下來請吳世耀委員發言。我想還是再次表達我反對用比例來針對特定族群來框定他一定要禁用的人員。如果以未來運動部可能300位左右的員額,如果是15%就45位,如果20%可能就60位。 |
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那如果沒有足夠的原住民族的人來能夠通過聘任人員條例的相關資格的話那是不是那個缺就一直在那裡淡無人?好那第二個事情是為國舉財真的是用人為財不分族群啊 |
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因為我也會我們長期在教育文化領域那像文化基本法也好文化藝術講注條例也好文創法也好我們也知道原住民族的朋友們對於文化藝術類也是非常有天分跟能力的但如果這樣的話所有的文化人才的禁用也一定要框定一定比例 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查。 |
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你新住民的要放嗎?我是覺得,你的合議運動署,替原住民族的發聲,但是入法強制比例人員的禁用,這某種程度也是對於其他的具有同樣的專業能力的有資格成為國家公務同仁的年輕世代們並不公平,因為 |
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二十九）一、繼續併案審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
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如果這一條沒有共識,要不然就先暫保留。 |
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主席有提到一個是說是不是可以用附帶決議來呈現法律條文所不能夠隨時與時俱進調整的。 |
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這次世界棒球十二強28名隊員當中十三名是原住民的身份十四十三或十四那麼顯然這個百分之十五又訂得太低啊如果以這個標準來應該訂百分之五十啊 |
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但是改天又有一個奧運那我們又有女子運動員表現的金牌數假如說多於男子運動員那我們可能多元禁用那要不要定一個比例女性要佔60%然後其他的才給其他性別就會有這樣的一個 |
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法律條文如果要反映出各該時期臺灣在世界體壇上的各項成績表現那這個比例要怎麼去算顯然不是按照人口而是按照他的表現那表現的話哪些賽事的表現要記錄所以是不是體育署可以針對我們剛正天才委員的用意 |
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在民國九十年 |
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楊仁福立法委員提出原住民族工作權保障法的時候,當時提出這個條文這個法例的時候,行政機關的答覆就像剛才陳委員跟吳思堯委員所答覆的一模一樣。 |
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這是第一個第二個當時原住民的立委堅持所有立法院就支持了原住民立委的條文所以通過了而這個比例剛講的那個比例第一個它主要是針對原住民組第七了無論是未來的運動部還是什麼機構都不會在原住民組第七了 |
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然後很重要他是針對技工工友這些集結隊定了一些比例所以沒有辦法用在未來的運動部或是這個底下的署或是其他的所設的中心 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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讓原住民的一個比例能夠訂進去。至於比例多少是可以討論的。初期你要訂得很低,我們可以討論。以上。 |
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我是不是說先請我們機關代表先就剛剛幾位委員的意見先以附帶決議方式來試擬那我們這一條先保留因為第九條也是有類似的情況那如果擬出來了大家覺得或許在立法說明或者在條文文字或者在附帶決當中能夠反映出畢竟運動這個項目各個領域這邊也多元禁用了 |
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那多元是用性別分?用族群分?按照高海胖瘦分?還是用什麼項目分?這個怎麼樣去反映出競用的人才能夠反映出他們在各領域的成績表現?這個我們來思考看好不好?那我們這一條先暫保留進行第九條。喂?嘿嘿。嘿我真的。好好我看先。好好我先看。好好好OK好。 |
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那個第九條的部分我們是不是先讓委員來表示,那個修正動議的部分還沒宣讀嘛,宣讀過了齁,那麼修正動議的部分也是類同啦,那是不是就第九條的部分有沒有要表示發言的,來請吳政要委員。 |
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第八條跟第九條其實這個體育署可以回應一下這裡所要聘任的不管是用聘用人員人事條例或者是第九條進入各職稱的官等、職等等等其實他的職務類別他所禁用的人才其實是文官 |
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是我們運動發展部這些就是我們這個公務頭人體系裡頭他可能要具備的是相關公務人員的相關的法令對於政策的理解那相關的法規這是他基本的用人的專業導向 |
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不必然因為他是運動部他就是這些文官他是要運動強項他是要運動很優異的人這是完全不一樣的其實剛剛主席雖然舉了台灣隊的這個棒球隊員的比例其實運動的項目也非常多啊不是只有棒球嘛還有很多的類別也許不必然是某一個族群特別擅長的 |
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對不對?而且我們這裡拔絕的不是運動員這是文官體制的人才禁用所以在前面的條文已經講到要多元禁用不同的人才他的導向是專業而不是族群如果我們看到第九條就更清楚的可以知道在處理這都是文官的禁用國家有國家的公務人員的禁用的體力嘛有機制嘛 |
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真的不應當在任何一個部會的條文裏面針對特異族群來進行比例的禁用人員的框定這不是運動員吶所以還是以專業資格視財視所用人為財的角度否則這整個公務體系以後這個沒完沒了啦所以還是要說服一下提案的委員這是文官的禁用 |
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這是一個公平禁用國家文官體制的公平公正性一定要捍衛 |
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好 來我們鄭委員請發言這個是文官我非常清楚我也是文官出身的所以體育署或是過去的體委會未來的運動部他禁用人他就是體育人才為主啦他的相關的科系他考試 |
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他去考試也是,而不是把一般其他的隨便都可以進去。他本來禁用的時候他就有他的列科跟他的科系本來就會去考量。所以這個部分他去考當然他必須要符合這個考試的資格條件。 |
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所以這個部分如果說目前沒有切了我才後面有一個有出切的時候那禁用的時候當然是要符合這個無論是現在體育署或是為了運動部首席的這些列科科系這不是說隨便可以禁用不是啊他還是要符合相關的資格條件 |
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所以這個部分這個如果按照剛才的思維大家就會奇怪為什麼還要有原住民行政特考那就高考補考就好了吧你要知道從國民政府大家所稱的國民政府時代就開始有以前叫山地行政特考為什麼要有就是要培育原住民的人才我跟大家說明 |
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過去對於原住民的運動人才的培育或是就業有非常好的做法現在就欠缺了我們有很多的運動人才喔運動人才拿過很多金牌的都當教授都能夠培育他去當教授 |
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因為很多的大學也有體育系、體育大學也有教練也需要有教授的資格都會去培育所以這個部分透過這樣的一個法律的制度的建立才有機會被培育才有機會被任用所以這個部分這個比例可以討論如果認為可以這個太高 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查 |
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大家都以為今天大家對運動部的成立是有很高的共識不過呢剛剛第二條第五條我們暫保留那是不是第八條第九條我們暫保留我們把第十條先處理我們再回過來一起看好讓大家了解一下說我們今天有我們的時間 |
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如果希望運動部能夠趕快的掛牌上路包括他三個行政法人都能夠盡速的去運作包括教育部也能夠重新的開始來應對體育署之後的後體育署時代那我們要趕快保護時間那是不是第九條我們先暫保留我們看第十條那麼第十條的部分目前有吳佩儀委員的提案那麼跟 |
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吳美媛提了第十條,那麼第十條是不是就,行政院有沒有意見? |
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第10條我的意見是因為這次運動部成立我們也有諮詢小組那也有來自民間的意見那像這次這個陳介憲他也是區議員公會的理事長所以我是希望這樣子民間諮詢的機制可以把它持續常態化那我希望就把它改成附帶決議然後給未來的運動部做執行上面的參考 |
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好,那麼請問大家對於第十條如果以吳佩玉委員的版本來通過是否同意?好,那我們就不採納,不予採納,好。那我們現在呢就回過頭來,那麼第十條 |
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院板的第十條那院板第十條請問大家是否依行政院板來通過同意同意好同意那麼第十條我們就要行政院板通過抱歉那因為要回過頭來看第二條那第二條是不是有行政機關有會整好各位委員的綜合意見後的文字修正第二條的部分 |
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來,有沒有?剛剛有沒有?我看這邊還沒有收到。目前?目前沒有? |
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那還是我們第二條其實我剛聽了一下十三人次的發言其實第二條對於執掌的部分大家都希望能夠讓他充實的更豐富但是呢也不排除行政院版的內容大概可以涵蓋但是希望能夠在附帶決議上面予以強調那麼是我同意我們第二條的部分按照行政院版通過然後我們以附帶決議的方式來補充 |
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第二條本部長禮下列事項 |
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第一款國家運動政策加國家兩個字與法規之原理規劃推動管理及監督OK嗎?我們看第二款身心條件性別加上頓號年齡以及族群區域以及社會經濟地位各面向多元運動平權之規劃推動輔導管理及監督OK嗎?第三款適應運動發展 |
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身心障礙禁忌與共融運動之規劃推動輔導管理與監督第四款沒有修訂第五款無第六款沒有修訂第七款我們看到一下他這裡寫的運動設施發展與運動場館之新整建及永續營運運動設施與場館之種類分級統籌運用與友善 |
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應動環境之規劃推動管理及監督。OK嗎?那我們看第八款。全國性運動團體業務健全發展與良善治理之促進及輔導相關機關構團體運動發展事項之協調及監督。 |
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有監督了齁,再往下看,我們第九、第十都一樣。好,那麼這樣的一個部分,來陳秀寶委員。那個署長,剛才我跟您這邊溝通的是關於第八條,全國性運動團體業務健全發展與良善治理之促進輔導及監督。是放在這邊。對。報告主席,就是那個及監督的字把它改到前段。 |
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主席 |
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來主席我剛剛兩個部分吼就是我們也認為說對於運動選手或是多元運動平權的獎勵的部分剛剛其實很多委員其實也都講到但是目前好像沒有看到獎勵的部分就把它放進來 |
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尤其是全民運動部分有一些單項不管是單項或全民運動我想還是有獎勵的一個性質所在這第一個那第二個就是本席有提出來是說這個所謂的運動博物館或運動紀念館的部分那到目前為止還是沒有我想我們剛剛在 |
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中間溝通的部分也有但我認為是說入法他是一個明確的一個宣示那我並沒有要求說一定要新建管設或者是說原有的管設來去做修改或者是說結合大型的場館來去做增設因為有很多譬如說 |
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網球迷都知道甲子園板城湖的這個球場甲子園它其實裡面就有一個甲子園也好的這個棒球的一個紀念館廳那所以說其實我們也可以未來在規劃大型的運動場館的時候我們就把這個運動博物館的概念給放進去但是能夠入法我想這才是可以永久的保存我們所有人對於 |
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中華隊對於我們臺灣選手的一個想像跟這個獎勵的一個措施所以這一點要求要有入法好不好謝謝好謝謝第7款裡面有關的話這是好那我們吳思耀委員然後我們再請那個運動部提議署說明剛剛侯孟楷委員講的第二第二款在我是建議應當放獎勵OK所以應當是放在輔導頓耗獎勵有輔導然後獎勵 |
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然後管理及監督好不好這個是可以放的所以孟凱的那個我覺得放在輔導後面然後呢至於運動博物館這件事情大家都非常期待也支持但我們可以看到他第十款其實就有其他有關運動之事項嘛那有關運動之事項是什麼其實要不然在那個立法說明裡面來加注就好好不好在立法孟凱委員 |
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你那個部分是第十款其實只有其他有關運動之事項然後請那個他們在立法說明裡頭補充運動相關事項有什麼就如運動博物館之新建設置嗎因為對放在那個立法說明裡面我們讓那個教育部說明一下好不好來教育部請 |
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在法裡面講推動運動博物館可以吧? |
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行政部門同意入法了啦,現在是要,你們要說服吳志耀委員啦。 |
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第五款。第五款裏面。我補充一下。運動文化記憶之保存及在線分號推動運動博物館。成立。成立。然後在立法說明裏面去提說。先秀在螢幕上。那是起承的問題啦。就是說給法過母法過了。但是因為這個運動部有很多編制在增加。附帶決議可以嗎?附帶決議其實也可以啦。如果要入法的話就是推動。多一個推動。立法說明還要再函送這個。 |
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這個沒有問題啊,不是啊,你就是把你剛剛講的,署長剛剛講的這個部分文字我是同意啊,就是說推動運動博物館,好不好。放在第一段的後面,就是文化記憶之保存及再現的後面是不是這意思?對。那先把文字放上去,我們請協助一下,推動運動。 |
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那我建議國家運動博物館制推動 |
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我們的期待其實它就是一個國家對出去的概念的一個收集我也不是說單項喔就今天就說值得我們共同留下來保存的部分那那個地方可以變成是我們全台2350萬人共同以後也許校外教學也都可以去那邊看從 |
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我們地面銅牌、地面銀牌、地面金牌、中華隊的任何的東西也都可以去看。然後還有就故事性、歷史性、意義。那沒有說一定是新設哪一個館場。 |
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我還是再次強調因為有人講是說是不是要在哪一個地方要改不一定這個就讓我們自己去組織去規劃也許是可以放在其中未來大型的場地的一個概念裡面其中之一但是我覺得它就是一個國家的運動博物館那我問一下主席我們現在每兩年再辦一次的全國的那個運動博覽會 |
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對不對我們要有那你運動博覽會要不要放因為任何一個館都是要長期的策展才會有累積你才會有點長 |
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所以說如果你現在跳到運動博物館之推動我當然也支持我沒有反對我是覺得要入法嗎那如果這樣的話那你每年我們每兩年一次我甚至認為每年都要辦的那個運動博覽會你要不要放運動博覽會之推動因為你唯有每年不斷的去把運動的展演累積累積你才會有未來國家運動博物館的典藏啊這個是文化政策任何一個基本的ABC嘛 |
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我覺得不需要那麼...那你運動博覽會勒?你沒有運動博覽會怎麼有運動?國家運動體育館不需要這麼...你一定要點點滴滴累積嗎? |
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來,待會要請吳佩儀委員發言,我們先處理會議時間。我們上午會議時間繼續進行議程討論事項的處理。好,那麼請吳佩儀委員。好,我還是要請提議署來斟酌博物館是否要入法,因為我們是有博物館法的。 |
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關於一個博物館的籌備相關的專業你的調研典藏保存維護等等工作我們有法規在規定喔你們未來運動部有這樣的專業嗎這個不是說博覽會放一年就叫做博物館不是博物館有他特定的這個標準你們是否有足夠的專業入法之後我們就以這樣子的標準來檢視喔請那個人事單位來說 |
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法定職長通常他基本上是一個比較抽象的概念,然後博物館的設置事實上是一個具體的工作項目。所以說我們現在的院版的法定職長裡面事實上就已經有運動、文化、記憶的保存跟再現。那事實上博物館的設置也就可以含括在這樣的一個概念裡面。 |
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所以建議在法條的部分就是維持現在院版的文字如果認為說有特別需要在博物館的部分做強調的話那事實上用附帶決議來加諸將來運動部必須要去落實這樣的一個工作項目然後在這個原本的運動文化的這個法定執掌的架構之下來處理可能會比較能夠兼顧以上好那麼主席在這邊跟聯席委員會做個懇求因為我們今天討論四項現在在第一案 |
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那大家都既然對運動有這麼高的期待後面的立法還是要繼續推動是不是我們就求同純意那麼大家有補充的意見的更好的想法的我們可以用附帶決議來推動那條文文字一般來講立法會求其精簡 |
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那麼在第一項的宗旨第二項的執掌大概都是概括性的描述那剛剛已經經過了一些細緻的補充是不是比較具體的工作事項我們可以以附帶決議的方式來呈現那麼請教在場委員是否我們同意第二條的文字內容剛剛除了運動博物館之推動之外其他的各款的文字修正可以看一下有沒有什麼問題 |
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如果保留的話今天運動部的我是希望說今天我們大家呈現出對於全民運動的支持我們對於文字的部分盡量能夠來交給院會我們在委員會裡面盡量形成單一的版本讓院會去做補充好不好因為如果我們在委員會如果就保留的話恐怕 |
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這個在委員會裡面我們要在牌書時間來處理,會比較辛苦,因為今天本年度是會期是預算年度喔。好不好,那三位委員。主席我有一個小小的部分要提醒體育署這邊要改一下。第三款是因運動發展頓耗身心障礙競技運動。我們要加運動兩個字,之前跟人討論寫法是這樣才會完整。競技運動這樣與共融運動。好,以上謝謝。 |
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是不是在跟聯席委員會的委員做這樣的請求,好不好?聯席委員會的委員,有有有,我剛有在這在這。 |
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好因為我們今天是司法法制跟教育文化聯席那所以我們盡量讓聯席委員會的委員大家都有共識啦那是否我們第二條的部分我們剛剛已經在畫面上看過這些文字的補充了就是比較屬於抽象性概念性的執掌的描述那具體的工作 |
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﹏﹏ |
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說實在的話我是第一個提出運動發展部組織法的委員提案委員今天審查的時候行政院版本立案第一我就是第二但我是這一屆裡面再先提出運動發展部組織法所以我絕對支持運動發展部的成立我們也算一下時間這個會期到1月21號 |
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已經正式的通過草野協商研會到1月21號所以換言之我們還有兩個月左右的時間可以院會處理我絕對沒有要惡意阻擋的意思我也一定希望是說今天都能夠通過但是就是說在於運動博物館的這件事情它其實真的是一件好事我想大家也都同意剛剛無私要委員一開始坐下來也講說都支持嘛 |
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我們現在只是說就是對於這個推動的過程裡面我們期待的是它真的有一個想像的空間以及就是說真的運動發展部宣布掛牌我們也來啟動所謂的運動博物館或是運動紀念館的一個推動所以這一點我才是會強調是說為什麼我們可以在這個法令上面放上 |
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運動博物館或運動紀念館的一個設立其實對我來講我覺得說不只是個人其實很多的運動體育前輩也都很期待為什麼因為它就是一個它就是一個精神的象徵跟文化的保留那還有故事的延續 |
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故事的延續跟精神的延續我覺得這是非常重要的一件事情所以我還是再一次因為剛剛其實體育署長在我們剛剛休息的過程當中已經同意認為而且他也跟不管是陳培宇委員民進黨的委員有提案的也都說明跟我也都說明認為是說這可以把他給入法的 |
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那我是覺得是說那既然如此的話我們是不是就把它入法那我們後續就請我們運動部成立之後來共同推動我覺得這樣子也沒有什麼不好啊 |
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好不好,委員大家一起支持,沒什麼不好嘛,好不好?來,第一組說明一下你們有沒有更好的意見,來。是,我想重整兩邊的委員的意見,我想是不是提一個比較中心的顧及體力,又比較屬於抽象文字為主,那是不是容許我們改成運動文化記憶,盾號保存,盾號在線及設施,那我們在附帶決議裡面去來寫這是一個國家運動博物館的一個推動,這樣。 |
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主席 |
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好,非常感謝,那我們請大家看一次齁,我們把第二條呢從第一款開始齁,第一項第一款我們看一下齁。 |
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第一款增加國家兩個字第二款增加頓號年齡兩個字第三款增加身心障礙及後面的運動量16個字再下來第五款我們增加及設施三個字再往下看那麼第七款呢我們增加之種類頓號以及第八款呢我們加上頓號輔導及監督這三個字好來請 |
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我知道大家希望推動這個事情但是還是要看那個請署長跟次長啊剛剛加的那個設施設施是名詞啊它每一個譬如說管理監督再現重現都是動詞啊好不好文字想一下譬如說設施設立或是什麼如果要講的話你不要為了體力嘛文字的運用你每一項的後面都是動詞嘛 |
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對嗎?人才之培育。對嗎?對嗎?職業運動之輔導。運動文化記憶之儲存、再現及什麼?就不會是設施嗎?對嗎?運動文化記憶之保存、再現及設施之設立這樣好不好? |
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我還是講一下舊法論法啦,主席對不起容我在說,因為第二條我們在說的是整個運動部的執掌。運動部的執掌包括人才的培育,包括科研,包括產業。 |
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但是我們並沒有把任何一個具體的那個組織放到上面比如說我們對於產業我們也要成立國家運動產業發展中心嘛就有設置條例了對不對對於訓練人才的培育我們有國家運動訓練中心的設置嘛我們也沒有放在母法裡面啊我們在運動科研我們要成立國家運動科學中心啊也沒有放在裡面啊所以你要針對任何一個 |
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我也絕對都支持國家運動博物館拚了命也要支持只是你需不需要在文字裡面針對單一個設施硬體放在裡面如果要的話我剛說那你每年我都在盯你們的運動博覽會阿你為什麼不放阿如果人才培育這麼重要你在魔法裡面也沒有講訓練中心要設立阿產業發展中心要設立阿科研中心要設立這是不需要 |
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在魔法裡面這樣子搞的嗎?所以我我該講的話就是這樣我們在論法論文字論一個立法的體力所以還是要放如果要放的話就是設施之建立可是你們就去想看看 |
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運動科學中心有沒有放在母法裡面?運動產業方案中心有沒有?運動訓練中心有沒有?都沒有放啊!已經要成立的組織都沒有放在母法裡面你現在要對於未來10年20年努力的目標現在放在就用立法說明去處理就好了這是體力舊條文論條文我的建議 |
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我們休息五分鐘大家思考一下更周延因為我說明因為目前行政院版它的立法說明只是很簡單的是本部之執掌全縣執掌所以我們立法說明要補充可能會以附帶決議來補充比較可行那至於文字上怎麼讓它精緻也符合體力請大家再及時廣譯我們先休息休息五分鐘一下大家趕快看一下 |
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那休息之間這邊跟延熙委員會委員說明一下我們是希望說今天我們委員會交給院會還是院會會再協商啦所以呢大家有什麼更好的補充意見的其實到院會協商的時候還可以再行處理只是我們希望說委員會我們將近期可能的將這個法案完備後那其他的事項我們交給院會協商就好了 |
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好,那個我們有準備便當放下去齁,休息時間齁,感覺上有一些進展。好,那我們繼續開會。 |
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好,針對剛剛第二條第一項的第五款大家都非常重視運動文化未來是不是能夠有管社所以呢,最好的方法就是我們回到博物館法的規定我們把第五款的這一項文字把它濁修運動文化記憶之收藏、保存、再現、展示及推廣分號 |
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因為這裡既然有收藏的博物館功能就是典藏、策展、研究、推廣所以說有展示、推廣、收藏一個博物館應當有的具體的作為都有了其實也含闊了既然有展示就代表以後會有館舍不管是透過博覽會是策展的方式或是固定展舍的 |
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好,謝謝吳賽委員。第五款的部分我們就加上了收藏、遁號、保存後面的遁號、在線的遁號以及展示及推廣。那剛剛好像還有在一個獎勵的部分在第二款還是第三款的部分有個獎勵放進去了沒有?第三款,第三款有獎勵嘛。放在哪裡? |
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第二款放進去了年齡還有獎勵那麼是徵詢在場委員再次的跟大家宣告我們今天的處理就是希望能夠這些相關運動部的相關法案的推動我們委員會完成委員會的聯席審查後會交院會協商所以其實後續還有足夠的時間讓大家更周延的去收集社會各界的意見 |
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我想社會各界是因應期盼我們運動部的推動可以儘速的去推動但也希望能廣納各位各界的意見所以我們的草野協商本來這一個月的時間就是來進行這樣的工作事項好不好那是不是我們第二條的部分就按照修正內容通過好不好好請印出來我們大家通通用修正動議的方式要簽個名我們補這個程序那麼第五條的部分 |
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我們是不是也徵詢大家意見也是依行政院版來通過?同意好感謝那麼第八條跟第九條的部分那曾建山委員我們剛已經說明了嘛好不好好來曾建山委員這樣為了不浪費大家的時間除了這個運動部組織法包括後面的幾個版本 |
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我都有類似的原住民的這個保障的一個條文所以這個既然院還會協商所以這個主席你已經這樣宣布了我剛剛也私底下先請示你了你也做了這樣的宣布所以這個部分這個第一個就是請教育部 |
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請提訴除了這個運動部組織法包括後面的這些條文這些我都有類似的條文所以這個部分也請這個運動部這個運動這個提訴跟教育部包括人事單位能夠能夠給最大的支持這個相關的這些 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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議員議員議員 |
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好,感謝聯席委員會各組織委員的支持。那是不是我們第八條的部分就按照行政院版通過?好。好,謝謝。那麼第九條的部分我們也按照行政院版的部分通過。好。 |
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好那接下來呢我們就來處理我們現在從第一條到第十條都已經主條審理完畢我們現在處理委員針對這全案各條文的附帶決議共11案請一併宣讀尚未宣讀的部分宣讀後呢我們在主案進行處理那請宣讀這段時間後就請我們行政部門趕快看一下 |
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此一個案子看有沒有什麼意見的我們待會很快的處理那現在時間是午用餐時間也不耽誤大家生理時鐘請大家自行開飯開動 |
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討論事項第一案附帶915,鑒於本次組織改造細於處理,組織法為主,然相關實體法如國民體育法、運動產業發展條例、運動彩券發行條例等均有配合組織任務修正必要,為避免相關法律授權不足。 |
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至使運動部無法達成設置目的困境,運動部應於成立後一年內完成前述法律與其他相關增訂法律之延商,並提送法律草案至立法院,使我國運動環境得以做到真正之升級與現代化。提案人委員陳培瑜,聯署人張雅玲,吳佩奕。 |
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附帶決議六．建於禁藥管制業務為我國運動部門法定任務．為使相關資源移住得以受有效監督．並避免相關單位因組織文化問題．致生我國運動員選一受損狀況．並參考國外目前禁藥管制單位 |
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知組織設計作法．運動部應於成立後兩年內．完成經要管制單位行政法人化之規劃．並提送組織條例草案至立法院．健全我國運動組織監理環境與效能。提案人委員陳培瑜聯署人張雅琳、吳佩儀 |
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好,現在請停一下,我們看到剛唸的是第五案跟第六案,大家手上的條文,因為大家可能再找不到,剛已經唸過第五了,也第六,現在就要進行第七,就是第二條的附帶決議,請繼續。 |
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附帶決議七運動部於成立後應致力於保障運動產業勞動人員促進其勞動條件及勞資和諧提案人委員林依謹、陳培瑜、張雅琳附帶決議八為確實保障兒少權益健全運動教練證照管理制度是未來運動部成立之後重要的任務之一請運動部成立之後應就下列事項進行推動 |
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第一,建立中央監督與內部治理機制。運動部應建立中央監督機制與完善內部治理制度,確保教練證照管理制度與社政不適任人員通報系統間接。第二,不適任教練撤銷資格機制。若教練被調查證實有不適任行為, |
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運動部應擁有直接撤銷教練證照之的權限,並防止教練應持有其他協會合法之證照繼續執業。第三,全國性教練培訓與進修規劃。運動部應統籌規劃全國性教練培訓與增能機制,提升教練在專業知識與 |
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第四、將兒少權益保障課程納入培訓課程。將兒少權益保障課程納入教練培訓的必修內容以強化教練的兒少保護意識。透過此課程預防未來可能發生的不當管教事件。提案人委員張雅玲聯署人陳佩瑜吳佩義。 |
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不待決議九．對於臺灣國手在國際賽事權益受損．運動部應建立常態性機制．對申訴、仲裁等權益保障措施積極予以協助．並提供專業資源以維護選手權益。提案人委員吳佩奕、張雅琳、陳佩瑜 |
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附帶決議時,為促進運動部之設立,行政院邀請各界專家組成體育及運動發展部諮詢小組,不管是競技、全民、帕運、性別平等、適應體育等。諮詢小組提供諸多重要之建言。未來運動部成立後應建立機制,持續採納各界專家之意見,包括促進運動多元平權、兒少運動員之保障,均需廣納各界專家建議以力推動。 |
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多元平權社會包容及永續發展又職業運動工會能對運動環境改善提出切實之建議反映運動員之需求運動部亦應建立機制定期與職業運動工會互動交流並促成職業運動工會球團賽事聯盟以及特定體育團體間之良善溝通共同促進整體運動環境之提升提案人委員吳佩奕聯署人張雅玲陳佩瑜 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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繼非以補習班立案,亦非為課後照顧機構,亦未有任何主管機關主責,然有民團調查此類兒童或幼兒教室課程。 |
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約近八成無完整消防設備如有教室設立於十四樓高或地下室施生筆與避難消防措施等亦無任何規範。亦即國內既有法制針對室內課程、活動皆無任何管理法規。綜上為保障兒少權益、健全國內兒少相關運動休閒活動及課程之管理。請運動部於成立後應推動下列事項一、 |
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二、輕查盤點以兒少為對象之運動或修行課程活動現況及數量。二、輔導業者合法化並定期監督管理。三、完成相關場域空間管理之法律與其他相關增訂法律之演商。提案人委員林月晴、陳培瑜、連署人郭育晴、陳俊宇宣讀安閉。 |
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好,我們現在一案一案處理。那麼我就就直接就行政機關看過建議修改的部分來處理。那麼剛剛還有一個因為第二條的部分沒有辦法在立法說明裡面表達可能會要再有一個附帶決議變成第十二個附帶決議的部分請趕快處理。那我處理到第十一案完之後十二案的文字大家出來我就一併處理。好,現在請大家看到手上的紙本討論事項第一案附帶決議的修正本因為後面呢 |
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有一張是原本。那我們看修正本。修正本請看它的倒數第六行。從前面請。修法後專任運動教練的原額在教育部考核管理專業發展在運動部較為妥適做這樣的原制修正。好那請問對於附帶決議第一案大家是不是同意修正後通過? |
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來,同意齁,好,同意修正通過。我們請看附帶決議第二案,他是針對第五條的部分。那麼這邊的修正意見是將第一段省略,直接從第二段開始。運動部轄下設有全民運動署,以下都相同。請問對於附帶決議第二案修正後的意見,是否同意?同意齁,但是呢,補充一個大眾,在最後一段齁, |
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成立運動部獲得社會及大眾共識。 |
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其實就寫社會大眾共識就好了社會跟大眾共識我們把文字把它更精雕細琢一下成立運動部獲得社會大眾共識啦好做這個修正好請問附帶決議第二案我們按照修正後依然通過好同意那我們請接下來看第三案第三案是我我們就照案通過 |
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同意我們第三案照案通過那麼第四案有個修訂版修訂版後面有加上了一個倒數第二行協同衛生福利部合作推動並落實健康台灣政策目標請問大家是我同意按照修正後的文字通過 |
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同意好第四案我們照修正後文字通過請看第五案第五案沒有修正請問是不是照案通過同意謝謝請看第六案第六案沒有修正請問是否照案通過 |
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等等請問是府長你舉手是第幾案?第六案我們是不是可以建議委員這邊就是在倒數第三行完成禁藥管制單位這個部分是不是可以容許因為我們精神上我們是支持的但是是可以先讓我們完成改成研究成立禁藥管制單位行政法人化之可行性然後把規劃以及並提送組織 |
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就是完成禁藥管制單位行政法人化之規劃然後再來就跳到以建權中間那一段拿掉言議成立禁藥管制單位行政法人化之可行性言議以建權我國運動組織監理環境與效能好 |
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嚴議成立禁藥管制單位行政法人化之規劃以健全。 |
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可行性規劃改成可行性了對不起這可行性對這樣子比較順可行性好第六案我們修正後通過第七案這個很直接了當是不是招案通過同意第八案沒有修正是不是招案通過有來署長請 |
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稍微請看第二不適任教練徹銷資格機制這一邊第一行若教練被調查證實有不適任行為運動部擁有直接我們是不是可以改成督導協會徹銷教練證照的權限因為按照國民體育法我們運動部是沒有這個體育署也沒有這個權限但我們可以督導協會來做徹銷教練證照的權限 |
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好,同意。好,那麼我們要不要把文字順一次。若教練被調查證實有不適任行為,運動部應督導協會徹銷教練證照。好,那後面的權限就不用了啦。就是督導他徹銷嘛。是不是?運動部應督導協會徹銷教練證照。是。好,就這樣子齁。好。 |
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那麼就第八案呢,修正後照,好,照修正後文字通過。第九案,沒有文字修正。欸,這對我的提案,第三行這個文字更正應選手權益了。 |
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第九案的文字照修正後通過。第十案有沒有文字修正?沒有,沒有讓我們照案通過。第十一案有沒有文字修正?沒有,那我們照案通過。那第十二案文字擬好了沒有? |
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12案12案就是那個郭玉琴委員說要放在立法說明的部分來我們印出來請發給那個各位委員請大家把握時間便當趕快吞下去好來陳培委員第幾案 |
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剛剛亞林委員請我一起簽名的那個是關於教練的部分。第幾案?第八案。我只是要補充說明要提醒體育署。因為是亞林主題,所以我尊重亞林委員的修改文字。但是我要提醒,其實體育署是可以有更積極的作文,因為過往有非常多的做法。 |
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其實你們都沒有辦法直接面對那些單向協會的教練他們做了很多對兒少不利的事情你們其實是有資格可以拔證的但你們過往真的非常消極但是我完全認同張亮次長說的新的運動部不是舊的體育署所以我希望未來的運動部在這個事情上絕對要有更加積極的作為因為現在 |
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教練系統的勾擊他不會只有跟社政有關他其實還跟幼照法有關還有跟學校裡面的老師適用系統勾擊有關那我認為在這件事情上我們多次的質詢都一再提醒你們跟衛福部要更積極的作為尤其這些人每天他都在面對我們的兒少非常多的新聞事件如果體育署剛剛決定用剛剛那個改法 |
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我認為我尊重亞林委員可是請你們未來真的要更加的積極那個我們行政機關列席代表那個便當照吃但是耳朵有聽進去了跟著便當一起吃下去放在心裡 |
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好,OK。好,那個王政委員。好,謝謝主席。在修正動議7的部分已經把文字修正的條文還有該修正的部分都非常完整的修正。那有關於第三款本來有帕拉禁忌的部分 |
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謝謝王振旭委員的提醒 |
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主席來這邊跟聯席委員會說明我們待會要進行第二案的討論那麼第一案還有附帶決議的部分我們在最後全案審訊之前會再就有再補進來的附帶決議一併做處理所以不用急那麼第十案的部分請繼續進行我們開始進行第二案附帶決討論事項第二案我們進第一案宣刊到最後全案 |
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副大絕現在11個案子啊?還有第12案呢?要宣告啊?不能進行第二案嗎?主席現在進行第二案嗎?好,你好了,你好了。好,現在好了,我們就照第二案來。副大絕第12案印給大家吧。本來想說把握時間。 |
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修正動議復代決議第十二案。好,不要不小心拿去電便當了喔。桌上的紙張很多。那個簽三個就可以了,趕快先印給大家,後面再補簽。 |
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好,那個委員比較辛苦一點,第十二案,附帶決議第十二案的補簽,這到主席帶來,我們先簽了三個先印給大家看。那也請行政機關、教育部這邊趕快看一下。先印啦,先印給大家再宣讀啦,不然大家不曉得在念什麼。 |
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那今天在場的各位辛苦了我們希望能夠把今天要審議的法案呢審議完畢後交給院會當然中間還會經過抄寫協商的過程請大家不要擔心我們還有時間把大家在後續收集到的各種意見更完整的來補充 |
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主席現在討論的是第一條是不是?不是,我們要討論的是附帶決議的第十二案。你要表示意見,來。政委員有感言要發表。我趁這個空檔,這個請教育部, |
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請教育部和體育署回去等一下看一下我上次在這個司法法制委員會 |
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在質詢針對這個運動部及相關的這些相關的這些組織法或設置條例當時有質詢部長張書有質詢部長我也特別提到了這個禁用的比例我念一下部長當時的答詢 |
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他特別提到這個他會盡量配合教育部會盡量配合這個我提出的條文所以請教育部、體育署在下一次這個宴協商的時候能夠提出你們的 |
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陳毅提出你們的筆列以上謝謝 |
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好,謝謝我們政委員苦口婆心的提醒那現在請大家看一下我們討論事項第一案的附帶決議第十二案我就直接宣讀了我就直接講政策與法規研擬規劃推動管理及監督過程中應充分聽取體育運動員、教練、運動團體及社區的意見並符合身心障礙者權利公約與兒童權利公約提案人郭育琴、陳培鈺、張雅玲還有吳佩儀 |
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本案逐條均已處理完畢,作以下宣告。本案審查完畢,拟據審查報告提請院會公決。 |
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需交黨團協商。院會討論時,由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明。附帶決議十二項,一併提報院會處理。條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字用語,授權主席及議事人員整理。好,謝謝。那麼接下來我們就開始進行第二案的審議。那麼現在處理 |
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繼續併案審查行政院函請審議運動部全民運動署組織法草案等17案。還有呢?還有呢?那有修正同意,那我們請先宣讀。 |
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討論事項,第二案,修正動議一,對照行政院提案條文,第二條,第四款至第六款修正為,四,海洋水域與山林運動之規劃推動執行管理及監督,五,新興極限與傳統民俗運動之規劃推動執行管理及監督,六,社區運動俱樂部與社團各層級賽事推廣之規劃推動執行及輔導,其餘未修正,提案委員許曉新, |
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羅志強、洪孟凱、林思明、謝龍介的。修正動議二對照行政院提案條文第一條首具運動部後增略瓜湖以下簡稱本部其一未修正第三條前段後增略其退休撫恤比照教師相關規定辦理並由本部核定之其一未修正提案人委員吳思瑤、鍾家斌、陳俊宇、陳培宇 |
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莊惠雄宣讀完畢。 |
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好,我們現在併案審查行政院函請審議運動部全民運動署組織法草案,那我們是不是就審略大體討論,我們就直接進行逐條,因為本案是制定案,名稱還有條文有六條。好,那麼聯席會議如果同意的話,我們就開始進行名稱。那名稱我們是不是照行政院提案通過?有沒有意見? |
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14627.748 |
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第二案,討論事項第二案的修正動議。 |
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來,就修正動議了,謝謝提醒。第一條齁,運動部括號以下簡稱本部,這個加上去。好,然後呢,那麼第一條是不是照修正動議通過?好。好,謝謝大家,我們第一條呢就照修正動議通過。那麼請看第二條,那因為第二條呢有修正動議,我們看一下,請看, |
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討論事項第二案的修正動議一那麼這裡第二條的部分有加上了第二條的第四款海洋水域與山林運動之規劃推動加上頓耗執行加上頓耗管理及監督以及第五款 |
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新興極限與傳統民俗運動之規劃推動加個頓號執行以及加頓號管理及監督。好,請問對於討論提案第二條的修正動議是否妥適? |
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第六款是社區運動俱樂部與社團各層級賽事推廣之規劃推動加上頓耗執行及輔導。 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
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主條應先從條文的修正動議再回到條文本身,那如果修正動議大家同意了,那麼原條文就被修正動議覆蓋了。 |
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主席,那我要發言,謝謝。好,請那個陳培鈺委員。好,我們自己,如果按照主席剛剛的建議,就是如果修正動議同意,那各位的,我們大家的主席都會納入嘛。可是我們的自己的部分,我們有提到關於適應運動還有身心障礙運動,那回應到剛剛我們第一案在討論的時候,其實我們已經討論過,那我積極的主張要把適應運動跟身心障礙運動這邊部分拉出來。 |
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至於兒童、少年、青年這個部分我們跟院板是差不多的海洋水域還有星星還有極限運動社區運動另外一個我們談到關於社區運動俱樂部跟社團還有各層級賽事的推廣跟規劃這也是目前我們在院板裡面看不到比較積極的部分我看一下所以這個部分我就先提出我的建議謝謝 |
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那所以陳美玉委員你是要針對第二條的第二款?那第二款你希望做怎麼樣的文字修正?第二款是國民規律運動頓號運動教育與體制能檢測之規劃頓號推動及執行。您希望再調整哪些文字? |
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14850.396 |
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14866.676 |
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我想要問一下體育署這邊,我們是要怎麼樣可以把適應體育跟身心障礙的部分加進來在全民運動署的部分?包委員,我們這個業務會在適應運動師的規劃,不會在全民運動署裡面去做執行,在本部做。在運動部本部的適應體育師嗎? |
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14870.134 |
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14887.059 |
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我們就整個私營運動包含全部,包含它的不管是全民類的、競技類的、國際的部分等等全部包含在私營運動室裡面去統籌。好,謝謝署長回應。我先想一下主席,請再給我兩分鐘,先請其他委員發言。好,那麼現在請王振旭委員,再來請吳世耀委員,再來請陳秀寶委員。 |
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好 謝謝主席因為我們剛剛在第一案的修正動議期動議期已經把相關的文字做一些修正就是把所有這個運動部組織法裡面做的修正尤其是在第二款的部分修正的一些內容那另外我們目前正在討論的這個運動部全民運動署組織法裡面的第二條它應該是相扣合所以在第三款的部分我會建議 |
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14942.151 |
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在兒童、少年、青年、壯年及高齡者群體運動以及相關在第一個剛剛所提到的第一案的這個動議期裡面的第二款應該是要相扣分,不然的話到時候處理起來會有一些困擾。以上。好,謝謝。因為我們前面的組織法已經有做過一些文字上的調整了。接下來請吳世耀委員再來請陳秀寶委員。那請體育組趕快做文字上的一些補充。 |
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我的修正建議在第六款跟第七款。第六款的主題是社區運動俱樂部跟社團各層級賽事推廣之規劃。然後我加上兩個規劃、輔導、獎勵。 |
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推動及執行所以加入輔導及獎勵因為對於各級的運動俱樂部社團是要輔導跟獎勵的那第七款呢全國性運動團體推動全民運動之輔導我加了一個及獎勵所以第六第七各有兩個小地方的修正但是對於各級運動的社團的輔導獎勵是我們重中之重所以我希望能夠納入我的文字建議謝謝 |
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我重述一次,那麼請醫事人員看一下,第六款的部分,它在最...第六款它有規劃、推動、執行及輔導。那麼委員的意思是說,執行、規劃、推動、執行、獎勵及輔導獎。規劃之後呢,輔導、獎勵、推動及執行。那個是第七。 |
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第六款是規劃、輔導、頓耗、獎勵、推動及執行。順序不一樣。第六款是規劃,第一個詞是規劃,再來是輔導,再來是獎勵,再來是推動,最後才是執行。那就執行是及執行,其他的兩個放在前面。那第七款是全民運動之獎勵及輔導。獎要放後面? |
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福島及獎勵 |
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主席我們現在在第二條嘛那第二條其實我們有一個再修正動議就是第二案的修正動議一那其實我覺得大家也都是關心然後都把這些名詞不管是管理監督或是輔導獎勵都放進去那我建議說是不是我們有一個版本因為現在這樣子的話其實你還是會亂我覺得是說是不是以這個再修正動議 |
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我們提出來這個書面的這一個部分然後在大家認為說可以妥適的地方再把它給放入那我們出來最終一個版本之後那我們再各來確認不然你看我等於說看的是原版本還是說再修正動議版本那我建議是以再修正動議版本來當作是一個base大家來討論可能這樣子行政部門這邊也比較好溝通啦不然我覺得說溝通的那個基準點上其實不同好不好以上謝謝 |
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剛剛主席這邊跟聯席委員會說明一下這邊是根據再修正動議啦其實我這樣說明一下我們的議事上是原條原提案條文是行政院版那麼根據行政院版的原條文會有一個修正動議 |
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那如果我們是針對修正動議再修正就會看修正動議那因為現在呢那個我們現在拿到的修正動議其實他前面不是再修正啦他前面就是修正動議啦他是修正行政院的條文啦 |
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第二條本署長禮下列事項冒號 |
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一（全民運動政策之規劃推動與執行及相關法規之研擬句號。二（可是怎麼修?剛剛有人說要把它改了,那改了沒有?還沒有改出來?還沒改出來?那麼第三呢也還沒改出來?那第四（ |
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是（海洋（水域與山林運動之規劃（推動（執行（管理及監督。這樣是沒錯的嗎?好,再來。沒關係,我們現在就直接表達出來了。他張面打不出來嗎?可以啊。 |
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第四款是建議海洋水與山林運動之規劃推動 |
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請大家看一下是不是這個意思。 |
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沒錯齁好那第二款跟聽者趕快想齁我要念第五款了齁五頓號新興頓號極限與傳統民族運動之規劃頓號推動頓號執行頓號管理及監督第五款我的版本希望加入輔導輔導要放在哪裡之規之輔導規劃推動執行輔導要放在最前面 |
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應該規劃推動執行及輔導吧。好,可以。那,等等,等等,那大家來,來。執行後面開始去處理輔導是不是?那管理及監督要不要?不用了啦。要。要?要管理及監督?新興的要。大家想好齁。我們到執行這裡都沒有問題齁,後面要不要加?這個要去管理監督。輔導。今天幾款都沒有管理監督,為什麼只有新興運動要管理監督? |
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就執行及輔導。 |
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我們這邊有提到說管理監督啦大家還是要討論一下是說因為其實運動部的部分還是有一些運動他的管理跟監督還是有相關的必要性包括各單項協會或說這個有一些運動可能還是會有管理的方向那 |
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剛剛第四款的部分我同意是說因為海洋水域跟山林這可能涉及到其他部會比如農業部比如說相關的這些水保等等的地方這個是區域的問題嘛所以你是用執行跟協調這個協調部分我可以理解但是如果說第五款部分他全都是運動只是他運動有包含新興運動還是極限運動還是傳統民俗運動那其實基本上都是在運動部的範圍內所以 |
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第五款目前有一個不同意見是一個要不要 |
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我覺得那個管理局監督的前面的主詞不是運動項目而是單位組織啊。 |
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所以反而我譬如說第六跟第七（我們先講第五款對我知道那因為是新興的極限以及傳統民族運動嘛他不是組織不是單位嘛所以其實是我同意剛剛加入一個輔導管理監督不要管理監督其實要放在六跟七啦因為他是管理社團管理的運動團體這樣 |
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好 我也那意思是說運動它其實是一個抽象的一個集合名詞是那麼社團才是一個具體的管理對象所以在一個抽象的運動的一個集合名詞當中我們就是用規劃啦推動啦輔導啦好不好那底下的具體的團體我們再來再來管理嘛再來監督嘛是我同意這樣子同意那這樣的話我們第五款是不是就以行政院版的條文寫規劃 |
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推動．斷號輔導及執行在推動後面加個斷號輔導請問大家這樣可以嗎?可以,那我們繼續看第六款那第六款的話就是社區運動俱樂部與社團各斷號各層級賽事之推廣斷號 |
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我忘記那個順序了。輔導、獎勵、推動及執行。因為剛剛孟凱委員有說要管理監督,這個看看要不要加,我可以尊重。我是希望有輔導及獎勵。 |
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那個委員你再說一下是不是這樣子那個商量看看因為第六是針對社區的嘛那所以就是社區我們是站在協力他的角度所以是規劃、輔導、獎勵、推動及執行這是第六那第七是因為運動團體嘛依據國民體育法我們對運動管理比較多管理及監督喔就是輔導後面加管理及監督對對對第七點的TC款的後面是輔導及獎勵我剛剛有個獎勵 |
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好。我們看一看齁。眼睛不夠用了。 |
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來請那個宏美媛好那我中整一下大家剛剛講的因為還是從小到大大家聽聽看我們這樣子是不是比較完整各層級賽事推廣之規劃、輔導、獎勵、推動、執行、管理及監督 |
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就是說從規劃開始嘛那當然就是輔導輔導完之後獎勵再推動然後執行管理及監督我想這樣從小到大然後方方面面啦那也把剛剛幾位委員的意見都羅列跟表達進去那也讓行政部門比較好做事好大家請就我們螢幕上的文字齁剛剛黃委員的意思表達了齁 |
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來王委員文字上怎麼表達? |
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就是只要是有關於剛剛所提到那些不管規劃、推動、輔導、獎勵及管理跟監督都可以用同樣的文字就不用有時候是輔導有時候是其他的字眼我的意思是這樣子所以如果是針對於第五項第五款、第六款、第七款的話是不是可以有這樣的方式這第一案 |
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好 了解了解 來我們齁剛剛在運動部組織法的時候齁有個第二條的第二款阿他這些文字的順序阿是不是我們就把它併入到以給我們的全民運動署來處理齁呃我這邊唸一下給大家聽齁 |
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而剛剛通過的運動部組織法第二條本部長禮下列事項第二款身心條件、性別、年齡、族群、區域與社會經濟地位各面向多元運動平權之規劃、推動、輔導、獎勵、管理及監督。這個已經把那個母法裡面他所寫的這個 |
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運動部組織法裡面的第二條第二款都把這些順序都已經排列了那是不是我們這些各部分就按照這個順序來那唯一沒有的就是就是沒有執行那看執行要插在哪裡不用了就直接這樣子那體育組有聽到就是我們把組織法第二條的第二款 |
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那個順序規劃推動輔導獎勵管理及監督放到我們這個第五款、第六款跟第七款是不是這樣的意思?大家同意嗎? |
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所以剛剛在討論是說第五款應該是不需要管理跟監督。對,對。那就至少第六款跟第七款是如此。好,來,署長請說。就是關於社區運動俱樂部的部分,因為我們接下來當然是以地方政府這邊的,輔導地方政府這邊為主啦,那是不是要加上管理及監督?要不然這個職責是可以賦予地方政府,這個部分不是請委員可以再思考一下? |
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好,那現在已經...我說是不是可以不要放?不要放,不要放什麼?管理及監督,社區運動俱樂部這部分,因為這個我想給地方政府來進行,我們會輔導地方政府來進行。就是第五款的部分不要放管理及監督。第六款我不堅持。第六款不要放管理及監督。第六款我不堅持。好,那第六款就不放管理跟監督。現在我們那個,有那種一碗冰可以放七樣的齁,你們就盡量不要放的拿掉。 |
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第五款也沒有管理及監督啊。這個畫面上還沒有更新。好,第五款把那個管理監督拿掉。執行不是獎勵。請用麥克風好不好,那個...最後第六款的管理及監督要拿掉。第六款的管理及監督拿掉。對,然後推動及執行。 |
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推動及執行陳美玉委員請我先謝謝剛署長的回應關於亞令委員提到社區運動俱樂部的事情剛署長您的意思是說未來這個業務會下放給地方政府由地方政府積極的推動社區運動俱樂部還有社團是這個意思嗎 |
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我認同我認同好 |
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那就變成有另外一個困境我覺得用現在社區運動俱樂部的困境就是他們相關的教練的聘用其實必須要有中央的法規來協助地方政府確保他們所用的這些教練不管是單項運動協會的教練證或者是未來國家可能有兒少教練工作證的這個情況所以我現在沒有很明白的是這個協法會不會造成日後分工的困難會不會地方政府認為社區運動俱樂部不是歸他的事情 |
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那我只是比較想要確保因為尤其社區運動俱樂部他牽扯的是兒少的運動權益跟相關運動環境安全的保障所以這個部分可不可以請體育署再多做說明不然我會有點擔心那個監督的功能我當然知道跟地方政府的所有溝通不可能都透過中央不會本來權責分工就是對的但我比較擔心的是我剛剛說的那些事情這樣 |
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我們會建立機制。我們負責機制的建立,那地方去做這個管理跟監督實際上的運作。 |
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好,那麼這樣第七款、第六款OK啦齁那來洪門海委員抱歉喔主席這一點我倒有比較不同的意見啦你看一下我們一開始運動部組織法第二條剛討論最多時間的時候每一款最後都有管理及監督每一款喔你看從第一個國家政策管理與監督身心條件管理與監督、適能運動發展管理與監督那到八 |
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但是即便你看第八款我相信有很多的運動設施場館他也不會全都是運動部來 |
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但我們中央部會還是要有管理監督的一個督導權責等於是說你可以來去協助地方政府的相關單位來去做這個運作 |
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那今天這個全民運動署的部分你可能社區運動俱樂部或跟社團你可能期待的是地方政府的運動局來去做一個主管機關可是有一些縣市其實是不一定有運動局的 |
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但不管怎麼樣我講的是說你如果說要地方政府去做這個直接的督導管理可是你中央還是要有一樣的一個方向啊所以我說管理與監督是不是還是把它放進去那但是就是說你可以在立法說明裡面寫比較清楚就是說是怎麼樣的分層負責來去做執行我覺得這樣子可能會比較完善以上說明謝謝好 |
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那麼關於文字的部分因為還有第二款跟第三款還沒有還沒有修正出來因為剛有幾位委員提到來請這邊一位委員好謝謝主席那我就先說明好了我沒有要改掉目前他們的第二款只是我希望我剛有提到有沒有機會加上適應運動還有身心障礙運動的跨部會協調政策規劃推動及執行 |
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雖然剛剛署長您有說未來有適應運動司但我們回到整個署的高度來說我認為全民運動裡面還是要把適應運動放下去因為它現在是一個署的高度那我認為當我們一邊在未還要談身心障礙法或是涉救法、修法的時候我認為我們更應該要把這個高度放進來談適應運動還有身心障礙運動的部分 |
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另外現在講的都是運動項目但是其實之前在幾次公聽會當中也有非常多專家學者提到關於運動設施全民化的政策規劃因為現在運動設施的主管機關或者是相關的執行辦法它有縣市政府它也有中央 |
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那我們在推廣社區運動最大的困境我想雅琳應該也非常清楚其實常常是公共機關的場地很難戒或者是維護的問題所以這邊未來全民運動署我認為要積極面對的還有運動設施的問題所以我也想要要求體育署一個是加入適應運動跟身心障礙運動的部分第二個是加入運動設施全民化政策的規劃推動還有執行相關法規的嚴禮好以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝陳偉我這樣子來跟聯席委員會做個說明啦因為今天我們的討論會有這麼多的耗費這麼多的時間其實是因為運動部及相關的組織法的修訂組織條約修訂大家都很關心但是呢我們委員會在進行的時候呢我們上一次跟這一次之間我們新增了很多上週五才交下來的議案 |
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以至於說,行政機關也未及能對這些委員的相關提案進行充分的彙整。所以我們今天等於是在處理什麼呢?處理星期五叫到本委員會來這些新增的個案,這些文字上的奇異的修正。所以感覺上大家都很有心,但是我們在意識的效率上卻很難去處理。那我是不是這樣一個建議,是不是說,看起來大家在方向上、意識上都表達了,那因為我們這還是會交付朝野協商。 |
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那麼讓在草野鄉之前就今天大家所表達的各個新的版本的文字上的起義讓行政機關帶回去好好的做統整那麼在草野鄉的時候呢再讓大家來確認好不好 |
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我們今天在很多的文字細節上因為這些文字細節的差異其實都不是我們三週前開始審議的時候的文字內容的都是上週五交下來的所以我們在這裡面耗費很多時間其實也不是怪誰就是說反映時間不夠我們沒辦法充分的來進行整合那是不是容許我們現在先以一個大概的方式先讓他的條文呢先完成那麼後續的一些 |
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條文彼此之間條款的一些一致性我們在抄寫協商的時候讓行政機關提出來好不好可不可以委員們好不好我們先把這個文字下訂了差不多了啦對會診差不多了因為你看其實像現在第六款的部分 |
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有保留執行對不對?有保留執行嘛那如果說如同剛剛那個我們這個體育署署長講的就是說未來這個社區運動俱樂部他是地方政府去執行那就不會在這邊要執行啊你懂我意思嗎?所以我想說其實管理及監督我們還是希望把他放進去就是因為他未來 |
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全民體育署它還是一個比較上位的一個部分所以說它會有一個管理跟監督的責任跟權限在這邊那是不是也把它加進去然後這樣子其實我覺得第二條基本上我們其他委員應該沒有其他意見的話這就可以直接 |
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秀正後通過啦。我們還有第二款跟第三款。來,我們現在那個教育部講一下。報告那個委員啦,因為第六條講的是社區運動俱樂部跟社團。那很多地方的社團的管理權、管理監督權依照地方制度是89。 |
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二十,就是還有分那個直轄市、縣市跟這個區公所,所以那個自治權是在地方啦,那個自治,那我們現在這個是全民運動署長下列四項,那我們如果把這個社區運動俱樂部我們也變管理監督,你跟那個地方的政府的地方自治會漢格嘛。 |
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所以第七全國性OK這就是我們運動全民運動署要管理監督我們是可以接受那第六社區運動這個將來會產生問題如果我們立在母法裡面所以才會說管理跟監督這部分第六款是不是不要放市長那你這樣執行要不要留下來你又講是說這個是自治權然後你又留一個執行不這樣也不會很奇怪嗎 |
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對,所以說你這樣要嘛就是如果說你的邏輯一致的話那就變成是只有規劃、推動、輔導及獎勵好不好,先這樣子,好,先這樣子,可以好,那我們就把它變成說輔導及獎勵那其他的文字因為第二款跟第三款剛剛有幾位委員表達要有 |
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考慮到運動部組織法的部分我們是不是就一致化? |
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那個亞林委員還有補充嗎?我想要針對第八款的部分因為多元運動專業人員之培育我希望後面可以加在那個改成是頓化輔導及管理 |
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在我的版本在第七款跟第八款我都有加入及監督因為第七款是全民運動署他會提供補助款給協會運動團體所以我們必須也要 |
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則不予審查行政院函請審查。 |
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提醒各位,我們還有四個討論案,所以我們這裡就到此打住好不好,差不多了嗎? |
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主席那如果最後是要送出去協商可不可以把我剛剛講的適應體育跟運動設施請體育書把相關文字給主席然後就後續再去協商討論可以嗎?協商都沒問題啦協商部分都沒問題好不好?我講一下為我的版本有新增第九款全民運動的運動外交那就把它放進立法說明這樣好不好?所以呢 |
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我是這樣子啦因為我們後面還有後面的那個行政法人的部分都是三十幾條的所以大家請考慮到我們時間的運用上 |
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好不好我們先讓這一個因為這是組織條例這是全民運動的組織條例我們後面還是會朝野協商那一定會在我們上個星期收的這麼多不同的版本當中的文字的調和那這個調和的工作需要一點時間消化那今天我們只能消化午餐便當沒辦法消化那麼多條文好不好各位委員那我們是不是就以現在畫面上的部分把它先做一個確認 |
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大概可以接受的情況下,我需要再宣讀一次嗎?我們不用了吼,因為這個字也太小了。 |
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好,那我們就按照這個部分先印出來。我現在請他印出來,那因為這是修正動議,請大家再簽一個修正動議,我才能把它確定好不好?那我們就往第三條去推進好不好?先印出第二條給大家看一下,因為第二條修了這麼多齁,我坦白說,最後長了什麼樣子,我們大家拿到資本再來確認好不好? |
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第二條我們先暫保留,讓他條文印出來,修正動議我們再處理。第三條有修正動議的部分。第二案的修正動議二,就是這一個。 |
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這裏面呢就是在第3條的加上其退休輔續比照教師相關規定辦理並由本部核定之就加上這幾個文字對因為把它漏掉了吧體育署這個是很重要的喔退休輔續喔這很重要喔體育署確認一下吧委員報告這個是符合體力的沒有問題沒問題嗎可以齁那第3條是不是我們按照修正動議後通過好好看一下來把它放大第3條 |
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來那個組長請說我們在第三條的部分抱歉我們修改一個標點符號就是第三條第三行必要使得比照大學校長資格聘任逗號不是分號是逗號 |
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那麼第四條我們是不是照行政院 |
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第四條,照行政院條文。對,都一樣。來不及翻,都一樣,四個版本都一樣。那第四條我們就照行政院版本通過。好,接下來第五條。也都一樣。條文都一樣。就照行政院。就照行政院通過。好,謝謝。第五條我們照行政院版本通過。第六條。也一樣。也一樣齁。 |
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我們按照行政院版本通過。好,那有一個附帶決議請宣讀。 |
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討論事項第二案附帶決議本屬署長依第三條規定比照大學校長之資格聘任時其退休輔續比照教師相關規定辦理並由運動部核定之其中屬85年1月31日以前瓜胡及教育人員退輔經濟施行以前年資之退輔經費由運動部編列預算之應。提案人委員吳四堯、莊瑞雄、鍾嘉斌、陳俊宇、陳培宇宣讀完畢。 |
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好請問附帶決議大家手上有拿著OK嗎那我們附帶決議就召喚通過好我們回過來剛剛的那個文字第二條的文字大家拿去簽一下那這中間配議委員有主席剛剛第二條我有提到說希望把全民運動外交要納入立法說明這個部分可不可以請主席回應呢好立法說明我們看第二條的立法說明 |
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那我是改成附帶決議是不是很快的我們寫一下 |
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那這樣的話我們第一附帶決議有一案已經宣讀了齁那麼這個案要再增加我們才能附帶決議因為第二案要處理完附帶決議我們才能往下推動這個附帶決議可以容許第二案完再回來處理嗎還是我們可以在協商的時候放附帶決議協商的時候也可以放附帶決議啊 |
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對,好不好?好,謝謝,非常感謝吳沛。那剛剛的那個附帶決議我們就照樣通過了吼,我們現在看第二條吼,印給大家了吼。第二條在哪裡啊?我已經找不到第二條。正在印,正在印,好。 |
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我把第二條很快的全文念一遍大家念的同時你就會在螢幕上看到你手上也會拿到一張那麼簽名的部分修正動力部分可以來前面補簽第二條本署長禮下列事項一、全民運動政策之規劃推動與執行及相關法規之研擬二、國民規律運動 |
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議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。議案第11項。 |
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七、全國性運動團體推動全民運動之輔導、獎勵、管理及監督。八、多元運動專業人員之培育、輔導、監督及管理。九、其他有關全民運動事項。好,請問各位委員,我們就先以這樣的條文內容作為本委員會聯席審訊的條文內容,好不好?感謝大家,感謝感謝,那我們就開始。 |
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好 做好修正同意通過 好來 那麼本案 |
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主條均已處理完畢做以下宣告本案審查完畢拟據審查報告提請院會公決本案需交由黨團協商院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明附帶決議一項一併提報院會處理條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字用語授權主席及議事人員整理 |
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好,謝謝。我們現在呢...要協商。要協商。接著呢,我們進行... |
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好,那因為我們現在進行討論事項第一案的瓜福二,那麼本來是由審查委員萬美玲等16人擬據運動發展部運動產業發展局組織法草案,那麼由於我們這個運動部全民運動署組織法草案等17案之併案業於審查完畢,我們第二案瓜福二的部分我們做如下決議,另定期繼續審查。好,謝謝。 |
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好,那我們現在進行討論事項第三案嘛。好,討論事項第三案我們繼續併案審查行政院函請審議國家運動產業發展中心設置條例草案等11案。現在進行討論。好,那我們是不是就直接我們有這個修正動議齁。 |
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第三案有修正同意那就修正同意請宣讀請宣讀啦那我們待會就直接進行逐條同意嗎好第三案好那我們就請先宣讀修正同意 |
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討論事項第三案修正動議一,針對行政院對照行政院提案條文第十九條,增訂第二項為本中心人員不得有性犯罪、違反與性或性別有關之專業倫理、違反兒童及少年性交易防治條例、兒童及少年性剝削防治條例之行為以及經單位性別平等委員會或依法組成及相關委員會查證違規屬實及情事。 |
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第3項及第4項由原第2項、第3項、第1提案人委員徐巧欣、黃孟凱、林思明、謝霖介、吳志強宣讀完畢。好,那個是修正動議是第19條啦,那我們現在就從主條討論,那麼是這是制定案,那麼有名稱5個章的章名及34個條文,那是不是我先從名稱的部分, |
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名稱部分呢,我們是不是各提案名稱均相同,我們就按照行政院通過,好不好?好,謝謝。第一張的張明,各提案張明均相同,是不是照行政院提案通過?好。謝謝。第一條的部分,呃,我們第一條的部分齁。應該都一樣。好,那麼第一條的部分, |
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只有一案齁,陳委員的部分陳培育委員的部分沒關係吧好謝謝主席我還是說明一下就是我知道其實大家長期認為臺灣運動產業發展出現很大的困境所以有這個中心絕對絕對是好事也謝謝行政院有提出這個版本但是我只是要提醒其實在運動產業裡面其實並不會只有產業喔包括我們剛剛說的運動設施專業研究單位國際運動合作 |
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行政機關的看法? |
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主要是確定是在產業方面因為國家運動的發展也包括運動科學國家訓練中心如果不標明說是對運動產業的話很可能就是裡面以後包羅萬象眼目目標大家負責任務過度所以我們還是用產業啦用產業來帶動運動選手也需要運動產業的發展他們未來才會有一些空間所以是很明確的用運動產業發展中心 |
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第二條的部分是關於本中心的組織形態及監督機關 |
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那如果沒有不同意見,我們是不是就按行政院提案通過?好,同意齁,謝謝。那我們請看第3條。第3條的部分也是我們是否就按照行政院提案。請陳秀寶委員發言。 |
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因為我們產發中心的成立無非是要振興我國的運動產業來帶動產業的發展那理應也要協助運動部決定運動的產業發展策進的方案所以我在這邊是徵定說 |
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要加入《運動產業發展制政策及計劃研擬》來協助運動部制定相關的運動發展政策。以上。好,謝謝陳秀寶委員的意見。好,陳秀寶委員。是,請,那個,協議署長。請容許我們這邊做說明。我想這個,運動產業的發展制政策及計劃研擬這部分屬於本部的職權。我想這個部分我們會在產業及科技是這樣一個初步規程這邊來進行。那是不是請容許,委員可以容許我們這部分不要放棄。 |
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在初步歸程了。好,謝謝陳秀寶委員。那我們第3、第4條的部分。第3條的部分按照行政院提案內容通過。謝謝。請看第4條。那提案的文字都一樣。是不是我們第4條也按照行政院提案文字通過。好,謝謝第4條。第5條的部分。 |
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第五條的部分大家看法怎麼樣那是我們第五條按照行政院提案文字通過好謝謝第五條我們按照行政院文字提案通過我們現在想想第二張的張明、張明君相同是不是按照行政院提案文字通過 |
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好 謝謝我們請看第6條陳培宇委員請 |
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好謝謝關於這個中心的董事會我們有一些期待也想要請體育署回應一下第一個是在我們希望可以加入企業工會推派的代表也就是說未來如果產業發展中心組建企業工會我們認為應該要參考國營企業管理法規劃勞工董事的席次其實像這一次已經有很多新聞在談到這次十二強在 |
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關亞賽,呃,冠軍賽的時候,其實公會的協商,團體協商其實發揮了非常大的功能,所以我們也額外協商,我們希望在董事的部分由主管機關聘請公會推派的代表擔任一人。 |
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那公會推派的代表如果有不適應的情況公會得另行推派職那主要也是希望把職業運動球員的公會代表也可以納入這個董事會的成員讓基層球員的聲音可以被聽見各式各樣的運動員的聲音可以在這個董事會裡面被聽見既然是要發展產業那他們就在產業裡面服務我認為他們的聲音必須要積極的被聽見謝謝好 貼士組請說明 |
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我想陳委員這邊的提案大概是參考國運事業管理法這部分來針對組織的治理及利害關係員參與精神,這我們予以尊重。不過在考量這個運產中心目前上午相關的企業公會如果修法通過將無法執行並且造成董事會組織的不合法。 |
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那是不是可以在實務操作上面我們用第三款來領選適當的人選就可以來進行我想這部分我們保留一個彈性好嗎就是把它保留到未來那現在如果直接定下去我們是沒有辦法執行的以上好這個部分我覺得我可以接受體育署的說法可以這樣調整那至於我們剛剛說工會的代表因為目前事實上台灣已經有非常多職業運動員的工會了那工會代表進入董事會裡面這個部分呢 |
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我們主要是部分的我們是實務操作上從第三款這部分來進行了我覺得這樣的保障其實我認為球員運動工會他們應該不會接受可不可以更明文的寫清楚前向第四款之董事或是前向第三款之董事由主管機關聘請工會推派之代表擔任藝人我覺得要更積極的把工會的角色拉進來 |
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議員工會...我可以問一下嗎?現在有多少企業工會?我說的不是企業工會,我說的是球員工會。企業工會這邊我已經說OK可以改掉了,我說的是球員工會。球員工會...有多少...有這個...那個陳偉你上面寫的是企業工會。對,對,可是那...目前... |
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第六條先暫保留我們看第七條 |
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第七條,省委員有一個...我們是不是按照行政院版通過呢?第七條因為都一樣啦只有89月的部分我們有看到省委員的部分他有些許的一點點的不一樣 |
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第七條,按照行政院提案文字通過。第八條,各版本文字都一樣。我們是不是按照行政院提案文字通過。第九條,郭育群委員,第103頁。 |
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第9條,我們按照行政院提案文字通過。第10條只有范雲委員的文字略有不同在112頁。那麼范雲委員的文字就是年齡的部分。 |
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他把年齡的部分拿掉。沒關係吧。那其他的各版本都有年齡的限制。那是不是我們按照行政院版本文字通過?好,我們第10條就按照行政院提案文字通過。第11條各提案條文內容均相同,是不是按照行政院提案文字通過? |
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好 謝謝接下來第12條在121頁各委員文字提案內容都一樣就是郭宇晴委員121頁好 這個第12條其實我是參考那個上市櫃公司董事會記錄他需要宰明的一些事項就是主要是怕一些避免之後的一些爭端那比方說像董事長如果因為不可預見的一些原因他沒辦法執行這個行使權的時候 |
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﹏﹏﹏ |
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好 那麼就陳如剛提案委員的說明那因為這個是行政法人是我們就按提議組長有關剛剛郭委員提的我們是不是在後續的組織章程這邊來呈現就可以了就不用放在這個組織法裡面這設置條例裡面這是行政法人的組織條例那那個部分可以放在組織規則好 可以我同意謝謝那我們第12條就按照行政院提案文字通過 |
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再來第十三條各提案條文內容均相同,是否按照行政院提案文字通過?好。謝謝。第十四條一樣各提案條文內容均相同,我們按照行政院提案文字通過。好。好。謝謝。第十五條各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否按照行政院提案文字通過?好。謝謝。第十七（十六條各（ |
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提案條文文字只有郭委員的部分140頁。第16條的部分我是有增加一個就是如果是用視訊參加會議者其實可以視同他就是出席啦。對啊這個應該沒有什麼太大的問題。這個本來就可以了,所以大家不用訂了。不用徵訂就可以。好那我們就按照第16條按照行政院提案文字通過。 |
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第17條各條文內容均相同,各提案條文均相同,我們按照行政院提案文字通過。第18條各提案條文內容大致相同,就是範雲委員的146頁的部分。 |
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這是舊的條本,我們示範到行政院最新的文字通過。好,那我們第18條就按照行政院提案文字通過。第19條,那麼有修正動議,修正動議。好,第19條請大家看到手上這個修正動議。有,剛宣讀過了嗎? |
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就是說他加了第二項包括什麼性犯罪、性侵、性教育防治等等把這些不得有這些事項是不是請行政機關說明一下 |
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如果沒有在母法當中條文明定,對於這些禁止任用的人員,是不是需要額外的來列明?請說明。 |
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如果是在教育的場域的話確實在學校這些相關的教師法都有規定說類似講這些性別事件的是不能夠擔任教師或這些相關的規定那不過就運動產業發展中心的這個部分而言他的性質是屬於比較偏向於行政體系的這個行政機關的這個性質所以是不是建議回歸到一般行政法人的消極資格條件來做處理這樣子在用人上面是比較有彈性的這樣子以上 |
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好,謝謝說明。來,郭委員。 |
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第19條關於那個經用的人員這個部分因為我把那個就是限縮的範圍可能拉得更多更具體一點然後就包含就是配偶跟前配偶還有四等級之內的這個部分我把它納進去了那主要是因為這個部分我們是很怕那種私人的關係去影響到決策的進行那我覺得也會影響到整個所有的公平性跟透明度所以這個部分我想說這個部分是不是可以 |
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國務委員 |
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請教在場聯席委員會委員我們是不是按照行政院提案文字通過? |
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好可以謝謝大家我們第19條按照行政院提案文字通過請看20條各提案條文內容均相同我們按照行政院提案文字通過第21條也一樣第三張張明各提案張明均相同我們按照行政院提案文字通過第21條各提案條文內容均相同我們按照行政院提案文字通過好嗎好謝謝 |
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第22條（各提案條文內容均相同．是否我們按照行政院提案文字通過?同意,謝謝。第23條（大致相同．那麼就是有181頁有陳培鈺委員跟鄭天才委員的部分請大家看一下181頁 |
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好,那麼陳委員您多了一個第五款。好,謝謝主席。對對對,我多了一個第五款,就是相關的評鑑內容,我覺得這些都沒有問題,只是我加了一個,這個產業中心它的服務對象還有一般民眾對本中心業務執行的評價,尤其是服務對象,因為既然我們要好好發展產業,那到底被我們這個中心服務的對象,他們對我們這個產業發展中心的工作效率或者是相關的績效,我覺得要把他們的 |
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閱讀的過程所累積的經驗跟感受作為評鑑的時候很重要的指標之一。謝謝。行政機關這邊要不要說明一下這樣的意見。 |
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好,八位委員那剛剛的陳委員的意見我們予以尊重也精神上我們是贊同不過在運動員這一滿意大大度跟外界對於運動產業中心意見的這個反應納入評鑒指標這部分我們目前國家訓練中心也都是這樣子實務運作啦暫無自愛難行之處是不是建議還是採院版就好了? |
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事實上各行政法人的這個績效平和都會在行政法人都會監督機關都會另定這個績效平和的相關規定所以有關這些具體的評鑑指標都會在各法人的主管監督機關定的這個績效評鑑的規定裡面去再做處理所以 |
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所以就是建議還是用院版的方式來那委員的意見我們將來在擬定這個行政法人的這個評鑑規定的時候我們就會納入考量這樣子 |
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好先謝謝你們的回應主席不好意思我再暫用一分鐘事實上在我們辦公室的版本我知道你們都說過去有做可是好幾次我們其實也聽到不管是國訓中心都有相關的陳情我們認為你們所說的服務對象在過往的體育教育運動結構當中上對象的權利關係真的太過明顯而且那個深植人心我覺得我們就算瞬間把這個產業發展中心成立都不見得能夠立刻改變那個現象 |
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所以我自己很負責任的在三個版本相關中心的版本裡面我都有加入這一條我並不是只有在產業發展中心加入我認為如果你們認為實質上現在已經在操作了那我不任何入法會有什麼困難那我想這個是對於所有被運動產業發展中心服務的對象他們會希望積極看到的承諾以上謝謝 |
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那麼蔣委員用附帶決議的部分表達…謝謝次長的回應那如果用附帶決議是不是等一下我在其他兩個中心的版本你們也會希望建議是這樣修改呢?等一下我們就不用再發言討論但是我還是想要知道到底入法的困難是什麼?體力的關係吧如果你們現在真的都已經在做了而不是只是做做樣子或者是很多聲音會被蓋下來那到底現在為什麼不能入法? |
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因為事實上那個實務的指標會根據各法人的這個特性然後會做相應的處理所以就變成說如果說這個列進去的話或許將來也會有其他的要一併列舉在列舉上面可能會在法條上面可能會有它的那個自愛性所以說就是實際上我們在做的時候我們就在擬定的那個考核規定裡面來做處理那委員的意見我們一定就會充分尊重而且目前實務上也都有在這樣子處理的這樣子 |
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那我可以問一下目前你們已經在處理的,如果你都已經說有在處理,那就代表你是有指標的啊。那你如果已經有指標,不就現在拿來做就好了嗎?然後就入法寫清楚不就好了嗎?因為你口口聲聲都說一直你有在做,代表你是有內容,你有項目,你有指標啊。 |
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這樣好不好那個陳委員因為這個是三個中心都有類似的同樣的提案我們是不是在草野協商的時候如果說大家我們三個中心今天三個中心都處理完了在草野協商的時候如果有共通性或者用附帶決議或者是在草野協商的時候在文字上一併加入或保留或保持原樣再做處理好不好 |
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沒關係那主席我可以接受改成附帶決議那就三個中心一併改可是我認為附帶決議還要更加加強你們在這件事情上的態度跟主體性我可以不用勞煩到協商因為如果我現在沒有寫進來那到協商的時候我也不見得有機會可以參與協商但是在這件事情上我真的想要積極的主張所以我可以等你們現在附帶決議一併簽出來謝謝附帶決議可以直接納入沒關係好那我們就附帶決議那這樣子好不好我們還有幾個條文你們附帶決議趕快寫 |
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那麼我們這一條呢就是按照行政院提案文字通過那你們趕快把附帶訣寫出來那待會我們另外兩個組織條例的時候呢我們就這樣處理我們到現在這個中心的部分我有點不是很確定我們中心現在這個產業中心的部分我們不是大家都已經可以同意嗎那如果這樣的話那為什麼我們這個還需要才會寫上 |
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不是設置條例它是個法律案對啊我們有運動部組織法有三個中心一個新創法一個全文修正一個部分條文修正的設置條例這三個都是法律案然後呢今天還有一個教育部的組織法這五個法律案統統要送到那如果說今天今天通過的部分就不用再朝野協商了吧 |
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一樣,我們永遠會,看最後啊,如果最後大家認為今天這個設置條例,因為這個設置條例原則...對啦,因為你剛剛一直講是說還要草野協商,運動部組織法是...我們現在在這邊就已經很多都已經有共識了不是嗎? |
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我這樣跟那個黃委員說明一下我們的審訊之後我們全案審訊沒有條文保留但是送到院會的時候他會有兩種路徑一個是全案就直接送院會就不用再經草野協商那個速度就很快囉那如果說我們今天沒有做成這個決定就是一樣照規定送草野協商還是一個月所以還是一樣啦前面的組織法就是這樣子啦運動部組織法 |
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對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對!對! |
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這樣的說明可以接受了。好,謝謝,謝謝。好,那我們現在第四章的章明,各提案章明均相同,是不是按照行政院提案通過? |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
18529.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
18552.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
好謝謝那麼第24條各提案條文內容均相同算到行政院提案文字通過好沒問題謝謝那接下來呢第25條各提案均相同那麼有羅委員199頁的部分有一個小小的差異那他是三個月跟兩個月的差別是不是我們直接建議按行政院版本通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
18553.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
18582.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
如果同意的話,我們第25條按行政院提案文字通過。那麼第26條各提案條文內容均相同。是否我們就按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第27條各提案條文內容均相同。是否我們就按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第28條各條文均相同就243頁鄭天才委員的部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
18585.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
18610.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
剛剛他已經表達過了,他在每一個函他有提出,那這個一樣就是會在草野協商一併處理。所以我們是不是第28條一樣按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第29條,各提案條文內容均相同,是我們按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第30條,各條提案條文內容均相同,是我們就按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
18612.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
18627.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
第三十一條,大部分都一樣,那麼就是兩百六十頁的部分,我們吳佩儀委員的部分。那那個必要時三個字是不是我們就,因為差異只有一個必要時逗號,這三個字。 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
18631.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
18659.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
道正院板同意。好,謝謝。第三十一條,我們按照行政院提案文字通過。第五章的章名,各提案章名均相同,是否按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第三十二條,各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否按照行政院提案文字通過?好,通過,謝謝。第三十三條,各提案條文內容均相同,是我們按照行政院提案文字通過?好,通過,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
18661.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
18690.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
最後我們第34條各提案條文內容均相同我們是否就按照行政院提案文通過好謝謝那我們現在有一個剛剛那個陳委員的附帶決議是不是已經有還沒好等一下那我們要不要先休息一個因為我們又進行很久了讓大家去喘息一下那我們五分鐘好不好那我們後來接下來還有第三第三案第四案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
18691.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
18695.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
好,那後面三案、四案、附帶決就一樣了啦。好,謝謝,我們休息五分鐘。 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
19089.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
19113.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我們繼續開會那個附帶決議出來了嗎?好請宣讀討論事項第三案附帶決議以國家運動產業發展中心之績效評鑑應納入服務對象與一般民眾對該中心之業務執行評價提案人委員陳培瑜、郭育琴、陳秀寶宣讀完畢好那麼請問來請說 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
19115.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
19144.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
我快速回應一下主席我們剛剛那個第六條我們在中間休息時間的討論那他們等一下會出一個附帶決議應該就可以了謝謝第六條也有一個附帶決議啊對對對這邊這個就快速通過就都不用協商了這樣第六條的部分因為剛剛我自己喊出暫保留嘛所以我只是自己回應剛剛我喊的暫保留這樣謝謝好那麼請問對於附帶決議一有無不同意見那沒有的話我們就召喚通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
19146.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
19160.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
那因為我們剛剛從第一名稱開始一路到最後面還有一個第六條的部分也是要用附帶決議是不是那附帶決議現在他在寫了我們剛剛這個是真的23條23條是那個評鑑的部分那第六條是 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
19177.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
19178.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
好,企業工會的部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
19194.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19196.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
好,可以,那我們就等那個附帶決議的部分了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
19221.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19239.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
問題決議在誰那裡?手你影印給他就可以了接下來是第四案第四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
19244.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19245.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
對,進入是不一樣的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
19280.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19285.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
手寫沒關係啦,手寫的文字也看得懂。用注音寫我就看得懂。 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
19346.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19347.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
經濟跟內政 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
19395.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
19398.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
請先宣讀第四案的修正動議。我們第三案最後會處理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
19402.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19428.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
討論事項第四案修正動議一對照行政院提案條文第十九條增訂第二項為本中心人員不得有性犯罪違反與性或性別有關之專業倫理違反兒童及少年性交易防治條例兒童及少年性剝削防治條例之行為以及經單位性別平等委員會或依法組成之相關委員會查證違規屬實及情事 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
19430.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
19457.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
原第二項．一為第三項並修正原第三項．一為第三項原第三項．一為第四項提案人委員徐巧欣、羅志強、黃孟凱、林思明、謝龍介修正動議二對照行政院提案條文第六條第一項第二款修正為二與運動訓練、運動防護、運動醫學及運動心理健康促進相關之學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
19459.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
19464.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
提案人委員王振旭、鍾嘉斌、張雅玲、陳培瑜宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
19493.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19517.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
好,討論事項第三案附帶決議二本中心成立後監督機關應會同本中心進一步研議評估將企業工會代表納入董事代表之可行性提案人陳培鈺、郭育晴、吳佩奕跟陳秀寶委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
19519.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
19536.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
那請問待遇互待決議內容是否同意?好,我們就照案通過。那麼,討論事項三,本案逐條均已處理完畢,作以下宣告。本案審查完整。 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
19537.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
19558.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
拟據審查報告提請院會公決本案需交由黨團協商,院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明,附帶決議兩項,一併提報院會處理,條次引述條文,部分文字及法制用字用語,授權主席及議事人員整理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
19559.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
19582.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
那我們現在進行討論事項的第四案繼續併案審查行政院函請審議國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案等13案現在進行討論那是否請教我們聯席委員會就直接進行主條討論好那我們主要討論開始進行主條審查那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
19587.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
19613.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
本案系全文修正總共處理34條,那底下我們就分別...好,那我們就開始依次啦,因為是全文修正就從條文開始來。第一條,那麼除了陳培鈺委員提案第26頁看一下,那其他各提案文字均相同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
19614.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
19632.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
好謝謝主席那我就簡單說明一下因為過往國訓中心當然在硬體改革上有非常大的進步然後確實也讓很多國手是非常有感的那我覺得確實讓我們的國家比賽成績進步很多可是呢說實話這幾年運動環境的改變或者是非常多國際綜合賽事 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
19635.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
19656.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
國際單項錦標賽或是各式各樣的身心障礙運動台灣已經出現了非常多優秀的運動人才所以我希望在國訓中心的服務對象可以擴及到像我剛剛說的這些人那我們當然同時是參考我們台灣一直以來想像的運動強國就是日本日本的國訓中心他們同時還有提供身心障礙運動員的訓練的設計不管是在硬體或是軟體的生活設計上 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
19660.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
19674.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
那目前國內的法規範我認為我們可以一併未來再想像國訓中心的任務的時候可以一併把這個納進去所以我的版本寫的就是前面都一樣第三句開始培育國際綜合型賽會國際單項錦標賽身心障礙運動優秀運動人才提升國際運動競爭力特制定本條例謝謝好那請協議書說明這部分我們目前保持尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
19689.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
19689.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
好,那麼第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
19716.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
19741.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
那麼分別有第27頁羅廷偉委員以及第28頁萬美玲委員的提案,文字率有不同,其他都一樣,我們請看。那如果沒有的話,我們就按照行政院提案文字通過。第三條有吳佩儀委員、陳秀華委員、陳培鈺委員等萬美玲委員。來,請陳秀華委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
19744.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
19771.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
謝謝主席在這條的第三款本來的原條文是說醫療照護支援訓練之執行那我在這邊我是把它修正是提供醫療照護及心腹支援支援訓練之執行因為國訓中心培訓我們運動選手的同時也應該是提供選手所需的醫療照護以及心理智商等訓練支援事項尤其我們應該提供就是很充足的心腹資源能夠穩定選手的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
19773.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
19775.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
所以我覺得這個應該是明定在條文裡面以上。 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
19776.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
19805.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
很好,那麼請問其他在場委員有沒有其他補充?來,我們陳佩玉委員。好,謝謝主席。第三條的第五款,我額外加入,除了生涯諮商之外,額外加入身心照顧、權益保障還有課業輔導,因為事實上我們知道有非常多選手現階段都還是學生。那當然我知道國訓中心目前有相關的課業輔導,那我覺得既然有在做,我們就把它明文寫進去,也可以保障後續更多選手他們不會只有運動加分,他們的學術成績也可以加分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
19806.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
19834.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
另外我還提到運動文化跟相關物件的保存跟典藏事實上這也是國訓中心目前好像有一個小小的庫房在做這件事情但是好像也比較沒有系統跟規劃今天早上我們在提到運動博物館的時候我們說有相關設施規劃推進但如同沛毅委員早上說的如果沒有小小的累積我們很難想像未來博物館如何開張所以我認為目前國訓中心應該可以繼續承擔運動文化跟相關物件的保存跟典藏 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
19834.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
19863.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
那我額外加了第九款運動員團體的溝通跟權益保障因為在國訓中心裡面的受訓生活真的非常的辛苦但是很多時候相關的權益溝通跟保障我認為他們沒有一個好的對口那我知道相關機制已經有在改善可是我還是希望明文把它寫進去讓更多的選手進去在這裡面是一個保障基本人權然後保障一個專業的被對待的空間所以我們希望加入這個款謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
19866.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
19872.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
沒有,那不然我們就請體育署回應。以上委員的意見我們基本上都有同意。所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
19876.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
19896.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
我今天有一種幸福來得太快的感覺在此時此刻從剛的尊重到現在所以署長你的意思是說我的身心照顧、權益保障、課業輔導、運動文化保存、運動員團體溝通權益全部都可以納入條文對啊真的我們就把它納入條文好謝謝署長幸福來得太多了所以這個幸福資源的部分也會列入齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
19897.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
19898.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
所以第三條的條文在於從第三條第三款開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
19912.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
19939.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
是採用陳秀寶委員的提案文字提供醫療照護及心腹支援支援訓練之執行然後從第五款開始就納入了身心照顧權益保障從第七款之後增列了第八款第九款那麼那個原第八款改列為第十款好那這樣的話我們是不是文字按照修正後通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
19942.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
19944.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
接下來第五條都一樣,但是陳秀寶委員有沒有意見? |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
19971.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
19973.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
請看第57頁它增加是自主裁員運用管理增加了這幾個字其他的跟行政院版文字是相同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
20002.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
20022.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
第五條,這部分在,報告委員,這部分是那個在院版第28條,第三項,有列到28條了,是不是採院版就好了,謝謝。好,陳宥鵬委員同意嗎?好,謝謝。我們第五條,照行政院提案文字通過。那麼,第六條,有個修正動議,剛剛已經念過了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
20024.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
20045.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
還有陳培鈺委員是謝謝主席我要幫王振旭委員發言他提到在他的修正動議裡面這個是修正動議對第6條第二款他希望寫成是與運動訓練、運動防護、運動醫學及運動心理健康促進相關之學者專家請問體育署這邊有收到這個來體育署請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
20050.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
20050.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
委員那個我們是不是運動與運動訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
20075.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
20095.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
因為運動醫學其實就包含了運動防護、運動心理等等這些全都包了啦。是我們就用運動訓練、運動醫學或者是說用附帶決議的方式來執行就可以了。就是說那個附帶決議他可以講說第二款有關運動相關之學者、專家應包括運動法律、科學、產業。阿不然這樣真的怪異若外。 |
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20096.277 |
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20118.196 |
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好,那就用次長這個建議,就是你們概略的寫法,然後另外的寫在附帶決議裡頭,這樣好嗎?好,謝謝我們這樣好不好,我們第6條先照行政院提案文字通過,但我們附帶決議的部分呢,我們在最後再來通過好不好,那麼請體育署趕快研擬好,感謝各位委員,我們第6條按照行政院提案文字通過第7條 |
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20120.97 |
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20125.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
那麼有郭委員68頁。那個就是產業啦,多了產業兩個字啦,運動產業。好,第七條的部分因為我只有一個那個監視的總人數的部分。對。好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
20147.394 |
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| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
第七條的部分齁那麼我想郭委員那個因為我們這個是運動訓練中心那原行政院版的文字是由具運動法律或會計那就沒有了您所家的產業兩個字是否可以按照行政院提案文字好謝謝我們第七條按照行政院提案文字通過接下來第八條有郭育勤委員第72頁 |
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20180.208 |
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就只有在文字的部分,如果行政院這邊的版本...行政院條文比較新。那我就按照行政院的版本沒有問題。好,那我們就感謝郭委員。我們第8條按照行政院提案文字通過。第9條...第9條...第9條如果沒有的話,我們就按照行政院文字通過,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
20204.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
20216.977 |
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第10條各提案條文內容均相同,是否我們按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第11條是否我們按照行政院提案文字通過? |
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20218.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
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好謝謝第十二條各提案條文內容均相同我們按照行政院提案文字通過同意好謝謝第十三條各提案條文內容均相同我們按照行政院提案文字通過OK謝謝第十四條我們按照行政院提案文字通過OK謝謝第十五條各提案條文內容均相同我們按照行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
20249.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
20252.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
文字通過謝謝第16條156頁156頁那個郭委員因為第16條 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
20268.992 |
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第18條我們是不是就按照行政院提案文字通過?謝謝。第19條 |
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20302.591 |
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20316.08 |
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第19條的修正動議內容是...就是剛剛我們已經討論過了啦,那個教育人員不一樣,那我們是不是按照行政院提案我們就通過? |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
20317.352 |
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20322.519 |
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好,謝謝。第20條各提案條文內容均相同,我們按照行政院提案文字通過好嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
20336.175 |
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20364.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
好,請體育署說明。好,鮑委員這部分是有鑒於就是有時候奧運或者是亞運在某些特定的國家城市舉辦,我們會希望在那邊在奧運舉行前一年兩年前我們就可以住外。那我們為什麼不要用外交部的常駐,就是因為我們這比較屬於任務性質比較彈性,就不要造成長期在那邊設組的困擾,我們就用行政法人的方式來做專案的一個派外的方式來進行這樣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
20366.627 |
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這部分已經跟外交部談過啦,我想這樣子外交部也比較,也覺得這樣子是比較彈性,也比較不會造成一些困擾這樣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
20375.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
20400.891 |
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我可以理解但是你剛剛署長的意思說可能會拉到一年兩年這麼長的時間派外做各式各樣你們想像的他必須要為了配合亞奧運做的一些事情這是其中一項對沒錯其中一項還有嗎我可不可以知道有可能通過什麼如果有些地方是我們常常需要去做一地訓練的部分或許也是還有運科訓練的部分是有可能是這樣子那這部分我們目前 |
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20401.781 |
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20430.745 |
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先暫定以奧運跟亞運這部分為主。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。我們第20條就按照行政院提案文字通過。第21條,各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否就按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第22條,我們是不是就按照行政院提案文字通過? |
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20432.858 |
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20435.08 |
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好,謝謝。第23條,我們也按199頁齁。199,陳委員,陳委員。199頁,您的部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
20449.791 |
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20474.138 |
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就是第23條。對,第23條。對對對,就是運動員及一般民眾對本中心之業務執行評價。對,這個部分我們就已經透過那個附帶決定處理了。好,謝謝,我們就按照行政院提案文章通過。謝謝陳裕委員。第24條,各提案條文內容均相同,按照行政院提案文章通過。謝謝。第25條,各提案條文內容均相同,是我們按照行政院提案文章通過。 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
20475.864 |
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20503.236 |
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沒問題,謝謝。第26條,各提案文字、條文內容均相同,是我們就按照行政院提案文字通過。好,謝謝。接下來,第27條217頁。漏字啦,那個陳委員我們是不是就按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝陳委員。接下來第28條,各提案條文內容均相同,我們按照行政院提案文字通過,好嗎?好,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
20506.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
20508.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
第29條（各提案條文內容均相同。 |
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第30條各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否就按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝,通過。我們就按照第31條各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否就按照行政院提案文字通過?好的,謝謝。第32條各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否就按照行政院提案文字通過?通過,好,謝謝。第33條各提案條文 |
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20543.1 |
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好,我們目前是不是我們按照行政院提案文字內容通過?好,好,謝謝。那麼第34條的部分我們是否也按照行政院提案文字通過?可以。可以齁,謝謝。好,我們是不是在等一個附帶決議?我們在等一個附帶決議嗎?第6條的部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
20568.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
20583.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
這也是運動部,這也是有的,配合修正的。好,那剛剛因為有烘委員希望我們把那個文字彙整後看過來,我們請看一下第三條的部分文字內容,大家請看。 |
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20586.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
20603.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
第三條（本中心之業務範圍如下（一、國家籍優秀運動選手之選拔培訓及輔導參賽。二、國家籍優秀運動教練之培育及進修。三、提供醫療照護及心腹支援訓練之執行。 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
20605.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
20631.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
四、本中心場館之營運及管理五、國家及優秀運動選手之身心照顧權益保障、科業輔導及生涯諮商輔導六、競技運動相關事項之國際交流七、與國內外運動訓練相關機構之合作交流八、運動文化與相關物件之保存九、運動員團體之溝通與權益保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
20635.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
20647.29 |
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十、其他與競技運動推展相關之事項。提案人我們陳佩玉、郭育晴和吳佩儀委員。我確認一下,運動員團體溝通跟權益保障是國訓中心有辦法做到嗎? |
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20657.91 |
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我指的並不是指在外面的運動員團體而是他們進到國訓中心在受訓期間這些運動員團體相關溝通跟權益保障的事項。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
是,對不對,那所以這一個部分,因為運動員團體溝通跟權益保障其實對我們來講其實它是很廣的一個部分,我覺得它應該是運動部的事情。但是如果說你是受訓期間,比如說在國訓中心受訓期間的相關,不管是,對啊,那這樣子這要不要寫更明確一點? |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
20693.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
20695.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
陳委員是不是這樣比較剛好? |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
20720.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
20744.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
那就是培訓運動員團體制溝通與權益保障可以嗎?團體的部分不要拿掉,但是加入培訓的...團體喔奇怪,因為有的是個人,你是說那個...包含團體,所以要把團體的部分留下來,那加上...這樣好不好?陳委員,我們文字上喔...那就這樣,個人及團體都放著可以嗎?受培訓的團體嗎?有受...有啊有啊有...好那... |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
20749.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
20763.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
那個陳委員我們是不是主席打個商量你這個運動員團體如果改成培訓運動員之溝通與權益保障因為華文沒有單複數啦當你拿一個培訓運動員他其實包含了個人跟團體都包含在內 |
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20764.974 |
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好,可以,謝謝。那就改成培訓運動員之溝通與權益保障。那謝謝陳委員,謝謝洪委員的提醒。那麼體育署這樣OK了齁?那我們就把修正動議在做文字上的調整。第九款,培訓運動員之溝通與權益保障。好,那麼請問修正動議按照這樣的話,我們第三條照修正動議通過好嗎?同意。同意,感謝大家。 |
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20793.493 |
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| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
第6條附帶決議,運動相關學者,包括運動訓練、運動防護、運動醫學、物理治療及運動心理健康促進等領域。提案人陳梅玉、吳佩儀、郭宇群三位委員 |
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20824.8 |
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請問我們在場委員對於附帶決議內容是否同意?同意,然後主席他們好像還有一個附帶決議,就是我剛說的那個企業法人的部分,因為我每一個法都有修,所以他每一個法都在寫一個附帶決議,謝謝。欸,剛剛不是已經講,已經有了嗎?禮中,在處理中而已。好,處理中,喝口茶。 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
20896.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
20896.92 |
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好的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
20928.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
法定人數不足 |
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| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
修正的東西剛剛不用啦,因為我們就這樣唸過,對。就說文字修正而已。我們第3好像已經處理過了。 |
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20984.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
21004.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
再唸一次就好了。再唸一次就好了嘛。是哪一個?就這個,這個可以啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
21007.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
本中心成立後,監督機關應會同本中心進一步研議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
21032.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
21054.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
評估將企業公會代表納入董事代表之可行性。好,那因為這是針對同一個三個設置條例的同一個內容,我們做同樣的附帶決議。好,那我們就把文字上的調整為針對討論事項第四案的條文是第六條嗎?是第幾條? |
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第六條是針對我們本案第六條的附帶決議。好,那請問在場委員是否同意?同意。那主席不好意思,剛剛那個第三條的修正動議你就說不用再改了,但是我們的第九款是不是就是寫成明訊? |
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培訓,培訓運動員。好,那我要補充說明一下,剛剛有點來不及,就是為什麼會有團體的事情,因為其實我們之前就要非常多陳情,協會或者是國訓中心可能會單獨找團體裡面的球員溝通,在球員彼此資訊不對等的情況下,就把很多合約就簽下去了。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
⋯⋯⋯ |
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好,那我們剛剛我們的討論事項第四案,我們就做一個處理。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
本案逐條均已處理完畢。作以下宣告本案審查完畢。拟據審查報告提請院會公決本案需交由黨團協商。院會討論時由中召及委員嘉賓出席說明。附帶決議兩項一併提報院會處理。條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字用語授權主席及議事人員整理。 |
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好,謝謝大家,我們現在繼續來進行討論事項第五案,繼續併案審查行政院函請審議國家運動科學中心設置條例,不問條文修正草案等13案,現在進行討論。好,請問在場聯席委員會委員,我們是否直接進行逐條討論? |
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同意的話我們就進行逐條審查好現在繼續進行逐條討論本案細部份修正共處理13條那首先我們就依序來處理第二條那麼第二條呢是不是我們就按照行政院提案文字內容通過同意同意謝謝第三條那個28頁吳委員的部分 |
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二十八頁您看一下您的部分二十八頁是否我們同意按照行政院提案文字內容您是有加上運動防護技術有包含在院版裡面運動防護也有包含在裡面那同意按照院版好同意那我們第三條按照行政院提案文字通過 |
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好,接下來第五條。那是不是我們按照行政院的原文字通過?因為不予修正,維持現行條文。第五條。可以齁,謝謝。我們第五條,不予修正,維持現行條文。第六條。 |
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第六條,我們按照行政院提案文字通過。 |
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第七條,各提案條文內容均相同,是否我們按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。第八條,各提案條文內容均相同,是否我們按照行政院提案文字通過?好,謝謝。 |
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第18條各提案條文內容均相同,是否我們按照行政院提案文字內容通過?通過,謝謝。第19條,剛剛已經有念過那個修正動議了,內容也是一樣,已經做了區分了,是否我們就已經按照行政院提案文字內容通過?通過。好,謝謝。那麼接下來是,來,郭議員。 |
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我尊重就是剛剛我們就是照行政院的提案通過但是還是要特別強調啦因為其實我們還是有接到有很多類似像近親之間的利益不迴避的這樣子的一個狀況所以可能還是要特別注意一下以上 |
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好,謝謝郭委員的提醒。所以呢,我們因為剛剛前面的設置條例也是有同樣的內容,那也感謝委員的提醒。所以我們第19條按照行政院提案文字通過,請看增訂第19條之一,由於各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否按照行政院提案文字通過? |
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第二十一條,我們各提案條文內容均相同,我們是否按照行政院提案文之內通過?第二十二條,行政院是建議不予修正。第二十二條,我們就不予修正。第二十七條,是不是我們也是不予修正,維持現行條文第八十頁的部分? |
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第三十三條,是否我們也是不予修正維持現行條文?其他新的附帶決議請宣讀。 |
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這是組織法的,看錯了。剛剛那個第幾條的,再念一次就對了。第六條,第六條。討論事項第五案附帶決議一本中心成立後監督機關應會同本中心進一步研議評估將企業工會代表納入董事代表之可行性提案人委員陳培瑜、郭育晴、吳佩儀附帶決議二 |
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監督機關應會同本中心進一步研議、評估將企業工會代表納入董事代表之可行性。提案人委員陳培瑜、郭育琴、吳培已宣讀完畢。 |
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那他把他變成第五案的第一跟第二啦齁我們這個有點塞車剛剛宣讀的兩個是同一個啦只是應該一個發生在第四案的附帶決議現在是第五案的附帶決議請問第五案的附帶決議內容是否同意同意好那我們討論事項第五案的附帶決議通過第四案的附帶決議也是一樣的啦也通過 |
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好。接下來本案逐條均已處理完畢。作以下宣告。本案審查完畢。擬據審查報告提請院會公決。本案須交由黨團協商。院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明。附帶決議一項一併提報院會處理。條次引述條文部分文字及法制用字用語。授權主席及議事人員整理。好。 |
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終於我們進行討論事項第6案繼續併案審查行政院函請審議教育部組織法第2條、第5條、第9條的條文修正草案等19案現在進行討論好那麼請問在場委員是否我們直接進行逐條討論同意好那我們就開始進行逐條審查那逐條審查我們只有部分條文共計處理三條首先第二條的部分那個 |
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請看第39頁有陳佩玉委員的部分陳委員第39頁好謝謝主席我只有在這個第二條的第8款加入了適應體育的部分謝謝好請看第41頁條文對照表第41頁請體育署看一下他在學校體育後面加上了適應體育政策加上適應體育四個字請問體育署 |
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因為我們現行第二條的條文裡面事實上已經有包括學校體育的概念那適應體育是依據特殊教育法跟國民體育法針對身心障礙的學生的這個體育的部分來做的一個實施的教學那事實上已經含括在我們學校體育的那個概念裡面 |
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所以說未來我們還是現在事實上已經實際上根據這兩個法的規定在做落實了所以建議是依照院版的條文來做處理這樣子因為學校體育的概念已經含括適應體育教學以上好陳委員你覺得呢 |
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我們那時候在修特教法的時候應該是有把適應體育寫下去對不對好我現在只是希望確保我們升格之後運動部升格之後孩子們在學校尤其是身心障礙學生的適應體育的部分要再被教育部認真的面對跟加強 |
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第9條是我們也是按照行政院提案文字通過 |
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OK第9條主席這個修法文字我都沒有意見但是因為我們學校體育的設施這次修法過後就會從體育署移回到教育部是這個樣子那我們在人力及相關的資源上面請教育部要多加的給予協助因為我知道其實國教署原先的業務就已經負擔非常的大了教育國教署會增加學校體育組會有10個編制對 |
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好,那我們謝謝吳沛委員。那是否我們第9條就按照行政院提案文就通過?好,謝謝。那接下來我們有附帶決議。關於教育部組織法第二條的附帶決議請宣讀。 |
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討論事項第六案附帶決議一十二年國民基本教育課程綱要總綱系以哲學為基礎而開展基本理念中的自發強調人是學習的主體透過互動來認識外在的事物最後達成共好的倫理觀課程目標中的啟發生命潛能主張培養好奇心探索力 |
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總綱中的這些論述均與哲學教育息息相關。請國教院盤整12年國教與哲學教育相關的 |
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內涵包含領域學習重點及議題教育內涵供教學現場進行哲學教育融入及課程轉化時參考提案人委員羅廷偉、黃孟凱、陳秀寶。宣讀完畢。好請問那個教育部這邊有沒有要回應?內容來部長。可以。好順道辦理。好那我們教育部組織法第二條的附帶決議呢就照案通過。 |
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本案主條均已處理完畢。作以下宣告。本案審查完畢。拟據審查報告提請院會公決。本案須交由黨團協商。院會討論時由中召集委員、嘉賓出席說明。附帶決議項一併提報院會處理。條次引述條文部分文字及法用之用與授權主席及議事人員整理。 |
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好,議程所列事項均已處理完畢。會場所收修正動議及附帶決議均列入公報記錄。本次會議進行到此結束。現在散會。謝謝大家。來來來,那個堅持到最後的子勇啊,來喔。那個我們部長、次長、署長。來吧,辛苦大家了。來為我們的運動部組織法 |
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大功告成!謝謝五分黨派全民支持! |